WEBVTT - Ep 03: Genteel Southern Ladies

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<v Speaker 1>From iHeart Podcasts, This is Supreme, The Battle for.

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<v Speaker 2>Row eighteen, Roll Against.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, starring Maya Hawk and William H. Macy.

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<v Speaker 4>Whenever you are ready, mister Chief Justice, and may have

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<v Speaker 4>pleased the Court.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode three, Genteel Southern Ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>Morning, Sarah, Ron, what time is it?

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<v Speaker 3>I have feel like I was drugged. I haven't slept

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<v Speaker 3>that deep in months.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, very confusing sensation.

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<v Speaker 5>Wake up in the middle of the nine find my

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<v Speaker 5>wife actually sleeping next to me.

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<v Speaker 3>You know the feeling when you wake up from a

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<v Speaker 3>real deep sleep and you're not sure if you're still dreaming.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not dreaming, Sarah. You won?

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<v Speaker 3>But how Lynna and I've made so many mistakes?

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<v Speaker 6>Why?

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<v Speaker 5>Because you only put Da Wade's name on the suit,

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<v Speaker 5>So your case may not have been as big an

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<v Speaker 5>impact as it could have. But who cares. You wanted

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<v Speaker 5>legal experience, You got it and you won your first case.

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<v Speaker 5>Come on, downstairs, folder is almost.

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<v Speaker 3>Ready, so is the bacon. From the smell of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, shoot the bacon.

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<v Speaker 7>Come on?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you put cinnamon in the coffee grounds again? Love

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<v Speaker 3>that wrong?

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<v Speaker 8>Weddington Residents, missus Weddington, Hello, congratulations on your victory. Have

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<v Speaker 8>time for a few questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you kindly. I'm actually just getting going with my

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<v Speaker 3>day here. Sorry, sir, can you hold on a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>My husband just walked to in in the morning papers. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>let me see Ron.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't even look at them, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous headlines. What passes for journalism these days?

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<v Speaker 3>Can genteel southern ladies be good lawyers? Question mark? Question mark?

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<v Speaker 3>This is insulting.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree they think your genteel Ron.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm furious. Okay, could they be any more condescending? All

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<v Speaker 5>the other papers are just as dismissive. They should be

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<v Speaker 5>singing your praises, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's on the phone, Oh, a reporter calling you at

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<v Speaker 2>home at this hour?

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<v Speaker 3>What outlet he didn't say? Uh? Sorry, sir? What paper

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<v Speaker 3>did you say you worked for?

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<v Speaker 9>Who the hell is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah? Hang up?

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<v Speaker 8>You think you've changed anything, Lady, you haven't done shit,

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<v Speaker 8>you stupid bitch.

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<v Speaker 10>You're gonna burn an.

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<v Speaker 5>Hell for this, Sarah hanging up?

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<v Speaker 10>Jesus, saw do is your office?

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<v Speaker 7>Look at it's not Saint Paul anymore, Sally. We called

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<v Speaker 7>them chambers here.

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<v Speaker 11>I love that.

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<v Speaker 10>It's totally surreal.

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<v Speaker 7>Your mother hung that oil painting of the dogs above

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<v Speaker 7>my desk.

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<v Speaker 10>Ah, that's embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a small space really, just big enough for a

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<v Speaker 7>tiny couch and a large desk. But ready to be impressed.

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<v Speaker 7>Oliver Wendell Holmes occupied these chambers for his entire tenure.

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<v Speaker 10>Really, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>I thought you'd be impressed. Your sister's on the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Hand, Oh please, Susie thinks Oliver Wendell Holmes is too

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<v Speaker 3>bad fighting Moriarty to be a judge.

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<v Speaker 10>How are the other justices being anyone hazing you?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, no one's paddled me just yet, if that's what

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<v Speaker 7>you're asking. But I think Warren's pleased with me so far.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm fitting in.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, am I interrupted?

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<v Speaker 7>No, not at all? Come in, Come in, Sally, I

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<v Speaker 7>need to go the good martiall Chess walked in.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh oh gotcha. Elvis Presley just walked into my room,

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<v Speaker 10>so I actually got to go too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, then.

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<v Speaker 7>They're good.

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<v Speaker 12>Take a seat now, just pass it by.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought I might be able.

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<v Speaker 12>To help out.

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<v Speaker 7>How's that exactly?

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<v Speaker 12>You're doing fine so far, Harry, You're getting the run

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<v Speaker 12>of the place. Now it's time to be your own man.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure I know what you mean sure.

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<v Speaker 12>You do, Harry. You don't owe anything to anybody, not

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<v Speaker 12>the chief, not the president, not anyone. Remember, you're here

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<v Speaker 12>till you retire or drop dead. That comes with the

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<v Speaker 12>freedom to piss off anybody you like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm aware of that.

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<v Speaker 7>They're good. Have I done something to offend you?

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<v Speaker 12>I didn't mean to overhear your call with your daughter

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<v Speaker 12>just now, But take it from me, in a lifetime's

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<v Speaker 12>worth of experience, fitting in is overrated as hell. I'll

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<v Speaker 12>see you, Harry.

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<v Speaker 13>You should see the mountain of letters we're getting, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 13>People are inspired by your victory.

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<v Speaker 3>Some are Others are calling our house today am to

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<v Speaker 3>harass me.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, that just means you're a woman who did her job.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 9>Hell, Sarah, you got a unanimous verdict.

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<v Speaker 13>You got the judges to admit the freedom to choose

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<v Speaker 13>should be a fundamental right. Oh, we've set up an

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<v Speaker 13>interview for you tomorrow with the Texas Tribune.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, I'll check with Linda. Make sure she's free.

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<v Speaker 9>No, Sarah, just you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, the group discussed it. We want you to be

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<v Speaker 13>lead attorney from here on out, sole lead attorney. Hold

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<v Speaker 13>on me now, Linda is terrific.

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<v Speaker 3>Linda is a big part of the reason we won

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<v Speaker 3>be her research, her annal.

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<v Speaker 13>Which is why she's perfect for a behind the scenes role.

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<v Speaker 13>She didn't even comb her hair before arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah arguments we want as a team anyway.

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<v Speaker 13>That's not true or fair. She had a run in

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<v Speaker 13>her stockings. She looked completely unkempt and unprofessional.

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<v Speaker 3>I see, so you hired me from my blonde hair

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<v Speaker 3>and blue eyes. This is a beauty contest, Sarah. Grow up.

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<v Speaker 13>Linda can be your second chair, but you need to

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<v Speaker 13>be the face we're going to send you on interviews.

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<v Speaker 13>Make sure people see you. The next step is crucial.

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<v Speaker 3>What next step? There's no next step. We only have

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to court if Texas appeals be they

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<v Speaker 3>almost certainly won't, so the legislature will just try to

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<v Speaker 3>write a new law to get around the verdict. This

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<v Speaker 3>case's day in court is over.

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<v Speaker 9>But fine.

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<v Speaker 3>If journalists want to ask me questions, I'll answer them.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is all my stuff in a box on my desk,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Morton?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't have political protests in my office, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's never been in your office, mister Morton. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a Dallas courthouse, and now it's not anywhere I need

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<v Speaker 3>this job. This salary damnage is done.

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<v Speaker 2>Dear, you saw the post this morning?

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<v Speaker 3>I did. Is it not being a life in stock punishment? Enough?

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<v Speaker 2>Could have thought of that before? You know how much

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<v Speaker 2>I adore you, Sarah. But I don't have a choice.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, mister Morton. I think this is just a big misunderstanding.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't about the movement for me. This was a

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<v Speaker 3>way to build my legal resume. Wouldn't you rather have

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<v Speaker 3>a successful attorney working here than someone who can just

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<v Speaker 3>type fast? Anyway, it's over now, I'm afraid it is Sarah. Sarah,

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<v Speaker 3>come quick? What is it? They're talking about your case

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<v Speaker 3>on TV?

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck, Dear, nothing changes. LETNA be real clear about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is that on TV?

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<v Speaker 9>It's Henry Wade, Sarah, he's talking about your case?

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<v Speaker 3>What the hell is the district attorney talking about it?

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<v Speaker 14>Forsh My office will continue to arrest, try and convict abortionist,

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<v Speaker 14>just as we've always done, despite what three liberal judges

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<v Speaker 14>might prefer.

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<v Speaker 3>What did he just say, Sarah?

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<v Speaker 9>Out your phone's ringing?

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<v Speaker 3>That's someone else's problem. Now I don't work here anymore, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 11>It's your mother on the phone.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe this. I'll get the extension. Mom. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't talk right now, Mom slowed down. How many more

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<v Speaker 3>prisoners do daddy lose? Mom? I gotta call you back,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Wade.

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<v Speaker 13>Are you saying you intend to simply ignore the Dallas verdict?

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<v Speaker 14>I'm saying the opinion of the Fifth Circuit Democrat court

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<v Speaker 14>means about as much to me as the opinion of

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<v Speaker 14>my five year old grandsons. So no, we won't be enforcing.

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<v Speaker 14>It'll be business as usual.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah. What does this mean for your case?

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<v Speaker 11>Ron, Honey, would you bring me the sweet Tea.

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<v Speaker 3>Picture and the Texas Monthly and the New Vogue. You

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<v Speaker 3>did this all by yourself, Tom Li, Linda, get out

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<v Speaker 3>of here. I'm in the dang tub.

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<v Speaker 11>Answer me first.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what the heck you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah, the beautiful feast behind the movement, Sarah crusading lead attorney, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 4>the woman behind Roe.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought we were partner, Sarah, we are. Linda, you told.

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<v Speaker 10>Those women from the group you'd beat the public face.

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<v Speaker 3>I shoot, be suggested it might be best for the case.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't think I realize we have different strengths. Sarah.

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<v Speaker 14>I want what's best for the case too, but you

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<v Speaker 14>should have talked to me first.

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<v Speaker 3>The case is over, Linda, Henry Wade isn't even enforcing

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<v Speaker 3>the verdict. You want co credit on this mess by

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<v Speaker 3>all means. They appealed, Sarah appealed where there's no where

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<v Speaker 3>realistic for them to go.

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<v Speaker 15>It's over, yeah, you, but it's over, Linda.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah, You okay?

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<v Speaker 3>And where the heck were you wrong hiding in the kitchen? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Linda will cool off, she will, all right, honey, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Swear on This is the strangest sort of winning I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>I brought wine instead of tea, and the magazines.

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<v Speaker 3>And man and they say chivalry is dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you hate me if I said I was a

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<v Speaker 2>little glad it's over. It'll be nice. Set my wife again.

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<v Speaker 3>Care for what you wish for. Thanks for this, you'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Find another job, something even better, and we'll get back

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<v Speaker 2>to normal. Our life wasn't so bad, wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't deserve you wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Here you go, and a bunch more fan letters. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are cheer.

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<v Speaker 11>Yep, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Serah, all right, what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a pile of death threats.

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<v Speaker 11>Ron screwed it, Harry.

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<v Speaker 16>I just read your memo on the McGreevy case. Well done, kid,

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<v Speaker 16>I'm told Nixon is thrilled.

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<v Speaker 7>Warren, sit down a second. The President isn't who I'm

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<v Speaker 7>concerned with, Warren, christ what is it now? The McGreevy memo.

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<v Speaker 7>That's the only accomplishment to my name. I've been completely

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<v Speaker 7>ineffective on the court so far.

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<v Speaker 16>You're still getting your feet Wetry.

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<v Speaker 2>Warren.

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<v Speaker 7>You've assigned me three minor cases, and I haven't been

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<v Speaker 7>able to gather a single sustainable majority. Our colleagues resent

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<v Speaker 7>my friendship with you. Who gives a crap? I just

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<v Speaker 7>told you he gives a crap, Warren. The seven other

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<v Speaker 7>justices of the United States Supreme Court actually make it eight.

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<v Speaker 11>Harry.

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<v Speaker 16>Let me help you understand what no one told me

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<v Speaker 16>when I got on the court. You think being here

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<v Speaker 16>is about being Solomon, being wise.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not.

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<v Speaker 16>It's about what everything else in life is about. Politics. Politics. Hell, yes,

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<v Speaker 16>you were never part of the party delegation like I was, Harry,

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<v Speaker 16>But that's what this job is, crafting decisions so you

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<v Speaker 16>can win the votes of the other justices.

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<v Speaker 7>And here I was thinking it was about the law.

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<v Speaker 16>You went to Harvard, Harry, and I went to night school.

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<v Speaker 16>You know how we both ended up on the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 7>Politics.

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<v Speaker 16>Damn right. This is dog fighting, plain and simple. Sooner

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<v Speaker 16>you learn that, easier life will be.

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<v Speaker 7>I had one of my clerks when the numbers woren.

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<v Speaker 7>Guess how often I've voted with you since I got confirmed.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't really care, Harry, in ninety three point five

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<v Speaker 7>percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 16>Who's putting all this in your ear?

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<v Speaker 7>Bill Thurgood?

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<v Speaker 16>They're just annoyed the decisions haven't been going their way lately.

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<v Speaker 7>They think I'm your sidekick, Warren, that I'm out of

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<v Speaker 7>my depth and running to my best friend for cover.

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<v Speaker 7>And what do you think? I think there's some of

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<v Speaker 7>the wisest men in the country.

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<v Speaker 16>Put them out of your mind, Harry. Now, let me

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<v Speaker 16>see you get a majority together on that little tax

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<v Speaker 16>exemption case by Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 16>And remember politics.

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<v Speaker 7>Warren, Warren, hold on, how does Nixon even know about

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<v Speaker 7>my vote on the law and order cases? They haven't

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<v Speaker 7>been announced yet. You're not discussing our work at the

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<v Speaker 7>White House, are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Weddington Residents Sarah b let me call you back. I

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<v Speaker 3>got a dozen things.

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<v Speaker 10>I've been taken under surveillance.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 10>They're watching me, Sarah, They're watching all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you're being paranoid.

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<v Speaker 10>Be damn't being watched too. Soorahpup, but doesn't other women

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<v Speaker 10>in the group.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand taking under surveillance by who who?

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<v Speaker 10>Do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, b I feel like we made our fair share

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<v Speaker 3>of enemies.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, well this is Nixon's FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh please, Richard Nixon is not concerned with me. He's

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<v Speaker 3>busy fighting a war for God's sake.

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<v Speaker 10>So were we? Sarah? Go to your window.

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<v Speaker 3>What am I looking for?

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<v Speaker 10>You'll know when you see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see anything, Be just Sarah, uh huh, Come here, sick.

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<v Speaker 5>Bacon smells amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Honey, look outside. I don't recognize that car across the street.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one, the brown one with the two men sitting

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<v Speaker 3>it close?

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<v Speaker 10>You're blind, Sarah, b.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's the FBI. FBI agents are tall

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<v Speaker 3>and handsome, and those look like like devians.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, because if there's two words to describe j Edgar Hoover,

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<v Speaker 10>it's tall and handsome.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus hey, it's just a smoke alarm from the bacon.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take care of her.

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<v Speaker 7>Sarah, get away from the window.

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<v Speaker 2>They're probably just friends of the neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>The thumb horss uh huh.

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<v Speaker 5>The only thing is I can't be sure, but I

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<v Speaker 5>think maybe that car was there last night too. I

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<v Speaker 5>think I noticed it when I came in.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus, I'll call you right back. I need to warn Linda.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just go out there and ask them to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll do no such thing. We don't know who they are. Wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>They could be behind some of the death threats. Those

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<v Speaker 3>protesters are dangerous. They could have guns.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Dallas, Sarah, who doesn't have a gun. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>they're harmless.

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<v Speaker 3>Rong. Imagine you're someone who believes Lafe begins a conception

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<v Speaker 3>every child in its mother's womb is a person who

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<v Speaker 3>just hasn't learned a roller skate yet. If you believe that,

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<v Speaker 3>then you have to think that what I'm doing is

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<v Speaker 3>attempted to commit mass murder on a scale no one's

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<v Speaker 3>conceived of since Gangh has come. If you really believe that,

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<v Speaker 3>deep in your soul, what wouldn't you do to me?

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta call.

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<v Speaker 2>Linda all right, I'll take over the stove.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't need a second crisis in this house.

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<v Speaker 3>Go take a shower. I'm okay. Hello, Linda, it's Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't hang up.

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<v Speaker 10>So you heard the news that.

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<v Speaker 3>We're being watched? Yeah, be called.

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<v Speaker 10>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>I got another stack of death threats in the mail?

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<v Speaker 10>You okay, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone's at the front door, Linda.

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<v Speaker 10>If you're scared, don't answer it. Call the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Ruh, shoot, hold on, Linda.

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<v Speaker 8>Sarah, be careful, Sarah Weddington.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are you?

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<v Speaker 8>Are you Sarah Weddington?

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<v Speaker 3>Linda? You still there?

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<v Speaker 10>Everything? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know I slammed the door in someone's face. Ron,

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<v Speaker 3>hurry up in.

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<v Speaker 10>There, Sarah. Call the police if you're nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>Linda. Wait, you have to stop being mad at me.

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<v Speaker 3>Who cares If they want me to be the face

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<v Speaker 3>of the case From here on out, it's just going

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<v Speaker 3>to be paperwork. Henry Wade is refusing to obey the verdict,

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<v Speaker 3>but technically we won, so we can't appeal.

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<v Speaker 10>You kept the mail today, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure why.

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<v Speaker 10>It's going to be a telegram in there? You should

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<v Speaker 10>open it.

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<v Speaker 3>Linda, what are you talking.

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<v Speaker 10>About goodbye Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Telegrams don't come in the mail in this part

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<v Speaker 3>of the city. They come by. Hey, you wait.

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<v Speaker 8>You slam the door in my face, lady.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I thought you were alludative harasser.

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<v Speaker 8>Between the two of us. I think that describes you.

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<v Speaker 12>At the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, but you're not your.

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<v Speaker 8>You're I'm from Western Union.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a telegram for me?

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<v Speaker 8>I should make you come all the way down to

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<v Speaker 8>the store. You know, I'm too damn nice here, Holy Marry.

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<v Speaker 3>Mother of God, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 11>Ron Ron, get out here, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right.

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<v Speaker 7>What's wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Ron Ron? Read the letter?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? Another death threat?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's scarier than that. Read it.

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<v Speaker 2>Please be advised. The case of Jane Rovy Henry Wade

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<v Speaker 2>has been accepted.

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<v Speaker 3>For argument by the Supreme Court of the United States

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<v Speaker 3>of America.

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<v Speaker 2>How is this possible?

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<v Speaker 3>Must be because Wade said he keep arresting doctors.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it takes years for a case to get to

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<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court. But they can't just allow local officials

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<v Speaker 3>to disobey a lower court's orders. So we've bypassed all

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<v Speaker 3>the other courts and gone right to the top.

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<v Speaker 5>Holy hell, Sarah, we're going to Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>This is amazing. You think that you can handle a

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<v Speaker 3>busy wife a little longer.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I don't want to be a broken record, but

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<v Speaker 4>this is a giant mistake.

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<v Speaker 9>Ladies, we shouldn't even be entertaining this. We know how

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<v Speaker 9>you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Deb.

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<v Speaker 9>You made yourself very clear, over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>What time is he supposed to be here? Bee? He's late,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't he.

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<v Speaker 9>He'll be here, Sarah before you finish your burger.

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<v Speaker 4>He's thirty minutes late, Sarah. First impressions matter.

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<v Speaker 9>He's entitled to keep us waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>Deb.

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<v Speaker 13>We're lucky mister Lucas considers us important enough to come

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<v Speaker 13>down here.

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<v Speaker 9>And meet with us. Oh please, of scoff all you want.

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<v Speaker 13>But Roy Lucas was the first person to write about

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<v Speaker 13>the grounds for a constitutional challenge to abortion laws.

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<v Speaker 9>Everyone in the movement has read him.

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<v Speaker 3>Lynda was so impressed when I told her mister Lucas

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<v Speaker 3>was coming down. She'd be here if she could get

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<v Speaker 3>away from work.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh there he is now, he's so handsome.

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<v Speaker 6>Ladies. Hello, we're all mister Lucas. So you're the girls

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<v Speaker 6>turning everything upside down? Here in Dallas. Let me get

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<v Speaker 6>a good look at you.

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<v Speaker 13>All, mister Lucas. I'm beez Hearin. We spoke on the phone.

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<v Speaker 13>This is Deb, Marga Leese and of course Sarah Wedding.

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<v Speaker 9>You're a little last to meet.

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<v Speaker 6>You, missus Weddington. You are even more beautiful in person

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<v Speaker 6>than in your photos in the paper. Tell me, do

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<v Speaker 6>you ladies have any idea what a remarkable job you've done?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, we do.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very kind. Please join us, mister Lucas.

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<v Speaker 13>Now, the ribs here are outstanding. Lucas, if you're hungry,

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<v Speaker 13>I know you've had a long.

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<v Speaker 6>Trip, or maybe just some coffee.

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<v Speaker 4>So what exactly did you fly all the way down

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<v Speaker 4>here from New York to talk to us about mister Lucas.

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<v Speaker 13>We invited him down. Deb sorry about her, mister Lucas.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, not at all. I'm not sure if you know

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<v Speaker 6>my work, Miss Marbley's.

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<v Speaker 9>Of course we do. Everyone in the movement knows you,

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<v Speaker 9>mister Lucas. We're tickled you came down just to see us.

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<v Speaker 6>Believe me, the pleasure is all mine. What you all

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<v Speaker 6>have managed to accomplish here is just outstanding, outstanding. I

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't have come otherwise, And like any sane man sitting

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<v Speaker 6>with three beautiful young ladies, Jesus Christ, I have a

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<v Speaker 6>proposal to make what exactly is that, mister Lucas.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 6>In short, I'm proposing a partnership. I know how to

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<v Speaker 6>handle this.

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<v Speaker 9>Appeal, as do we.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Lucas, do respect.

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<v Speaker 6>Miss Marbley's all evidence to the contrary. You all made

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<v Speaker 6>some mistakes in Dallas that we simply can't afford to

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<v Speaker 6>make at this level.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we goof, but only including da Wade's name

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<v Speaker 3>all not just.

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<v Speaker 6>That, Sarah. There's lots of things you shouldn't be using

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<v Speaker 6>these aliases for your plaintiffs. For one, Roe Doe, it's

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<v Speaker 6>not a nursery rhyme. You also didn't present any solid

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<v Speaker 6>evidence to support your arguments. You don't want to give

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<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court a reason to send the case back

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<v Speaker 6>down to a lower court. And the brief has got

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<v Speaker 6>to be much more professionally written. It's got to be

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<v Speaker 6>written directly to the specific justices, tap into their biases

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<v Speaker 6>and personalities. I know Thurgood and Bill and Warren. I

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<v Speaker 6>know what they want to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>So those are things you can help us with, mister Lucas.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, Sarah. I have an established infrastructure in my Manhattan offices.

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<v Speaker 6>We can write the brief on the case, get your

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<v Speaker 6>funding money.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, how exactly can you do that?

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<v Speaker 9>Did hear him out?

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<v Speaker 6>That's all right, Sarah? Can I call you, Sarah? Let

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<v Speaker 6>me explain. When I take on a case like this,

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<v Speaker 6>it becomes news and it gets done.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, we're already news. The Supreme Court is hearing us.

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<v Speaker 6>The Supreme Court hears a lot of cases, Miss Markleys,

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<v Speaker 6>almost one hundred and fifty last term, and I bet

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<v Speaker 6>you can only name a dozen, right. Most of them

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<v Speaker 6>just fall by the wayside. When I was at Harvard,

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<v Speaker 6>I wrote the first ever article outline in constitutional grounds

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<v Speaker 6>for a woman's right to choose. More recently, I argued

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<v Speaker 6>the Viewis case, which most of my colleagues believe laid

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<v Speaker 6>the groundwork for your case. I've been directly involved in

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<v Speaker 6>every major abortion right suit filed across the country in

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<v Speaker 6>the last.

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<v Speaker 3>Decade, and that's what gets you funded.

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<v Speaker 6>And we have benefactors with deep pockets, people who want

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<v Speaker 6>to change the laws as much as you and I do,

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<v Speaker 6>will use their resources to put a whole team on

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<v Speaker 6>this twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

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<v Speaker 6>Whatever it takes will help you research, write drafts of

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<v Speaker 6>the brief, prep you for oral argument, and share pages

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<v Speaker 6>with you so you can weigh in every step of

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<v Speaker 6>the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, we sure could use the help.

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<v Speaker 9>That's debatable.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what did if I weren't the only one

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<v Speaker 3>working full time on this case going bankrupt on its expenses,

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<v Speaker 3>then maybe you could have a say till then zip it?

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<v Speaker 6>Ladies, do you know how much Brown v.

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<v Speaker 2>Board costs to take to the Supreme Court?

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<v Speaker 6>Two hundred and forty thousand dollars and that was almost

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<v Speaker 6>twenty years ago. You got that much in your bank account, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, we're hardly Brown v. Bored, mister Lucas, that's.

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<v Speaker 6>Incredibly naive, Miss Marglis. The abortion debate is the debate

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<v Speaker 6>in this country right now, and you, ladies, are at

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<v Speaker 6>the eye of the storm. You've been given an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 6>chance here. I'm not sure you even realize the gravity

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<v Speaker 6>of it. Of all the abortion cases across the country,

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<v Speaker 6>yours is the one the Supreme Court has chosen to hear. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>whether you like it or not, whether it's fair or not,

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<v Speaker 6>your case is the one that will decide the issue

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<v Speaker 6>for the next Who knows how many generations? Can you

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<v Speaker 6>honestly tell me you're prepared to do this all on

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<v Speaker 6>your own. Is that what's fair to the women across

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<v Speaker 6>this country who are counting on change.

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<v Speaker 9>Let us discuss it for a minute.

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<v Speaker 6>Mister Lucas, Oh, why don't I just mosey on over

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<v Speaker 6>to the jukebox while you all talk?

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<v Speaker 4>You do that, mosey away.

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<v Speaker 9>You are being so rude, dep I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>The one who's rude. What about him giving us that.

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<v Speaker 4>Sanctimonious lecture on the importance of women's rights, as if

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<v Speaker 4>we don't know their lives at stake. This is a

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<v Speaker 4>women's issue. It should be handled by women.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like him.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like his shiny suit or his shiny hair.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't trust him. We're doing just fine on our own.

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<v Speaker 4>Look how far we've gotten without him, Deb.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know the first thing you're talking about. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to the Supreme Court, the Supreme ever love and court.

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<v Speaker 3>I spend my days with my nose covered in black

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<v Speaker 3>carbon I have a grand total of one hour of

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<v Speaker 3>court experience. Ron and I are going broke, cover and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>All the expenses on what planet isn't this man of

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<v Speaker 3>God's hands?

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<v Speaker 4>So when we feel a little out of our depth,

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<v Speaker 4>we run to a man for cover.

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<v Speaker 9>How's that gonna look? It's your call, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 13>We'll stand behind whatever you decide, mister Lucas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Sarah, Welcome aboard.

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<v Speaker 3>Supreme.

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