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Speaker 1: From iHeart Podcasts, This is Supreme, The Battle for.

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Speaker 2: Row eighteen, Roll Against.

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Speaker 3: Wait, starring Maya Hawk and William H. Macy.

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Speaker 4: Whenever you are ready, mister Chief Justice, and may have

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Speaker 4: pleased the Court.

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Speaker 1: Episode three, Genteel Southern Ladies.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Sarah, Ron, what time is it?

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Speaker 3: I have feel like I was drugged. I haven't slept

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Speaker 3: that deep in months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, very confusing sensation.

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Speaker 5: Wake up in the middle of the nine find my

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Speaker 5: wife actually sleeping next to me.

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Speaker 3: You know the feeling when you wake up from a

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Speaker 3: real deep sleep and you're not sure if you're still dreaming.

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Speaker 2: You're not dreaming, Sarah. You won?

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Speaker 3: But how Lynna and I've made so many mistakes?

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 5: Because you only put Da Wade's name on the suit,

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Speaker 5: So your case may not have been as big an

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Speaker 5: impact as it could have. But who cares. You wanted

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Speaker 5: legal experience, You got it and you won your first case.

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Speaker 5: Come on, downstairs, folder is almost.

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Speaker 3: Ready, so is the bacon. From the smell of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, shoot the bacon.

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Speaker 7: Come on?

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Speaker 3: Did you put cinnamon in the coffee grounds again? Love

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Speaker 3: that wrong?

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Speaker 8: Weddington Residents, missus Weddington, Hello, congratulations on your victory. Have

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Speaker 8: time for a few questions.

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Speaker 3: Thank you kindly. I'm actually just getting going with my

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Speaker 3: day here. Sorry, sir, can you hold on a minute.

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Speaker 3: My husband just walked to in in the morning papers. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 3: let me see Ron.

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Speaker 5: Don't even look at them, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous headlines. What passes for journalism these days?

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Speaker 3: Can genteel southern ladies be good lawyers? Question mark? Question mark?

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Speaker 3: This is insulting.

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Speaker 2: I agree they think your genteel Ron.

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Speaker 5: I'm furious. Okay, could they be any more condescending? All

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Speaker 5: the other papers are just as dismissive. They should be

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Speaker 5: singing your praises, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Who's on the phone, Oh, a reporter calling you at

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Speaker 2: home at this hour?

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Speaker 3: What outlet he didn't say? Uh? Sorry, sir? What paper

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Speaker 3: did you say you worked for?

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Speaker 9: Who the hell is this?

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Speaker 2: Sarah? Hang up?

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Speaker 8: You think you've changed anything, Lady, you haven't done shit,

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Speaker 8: you stupid bitch.

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Speaker 10: You're gonna burn an.

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Speaker 5: Hell for this, Sarah hanging up?

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Speaker 10: Jesus, saw do is your office?

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Speaker 7: Look at it's not Saint Paul anymore, Sally. We called

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Speaker 7: them chambers here.

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Speaker 11: I love that.

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Speaker 10: It's totally surreal.

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Speaker 7: Your mother hung that oil painting of the dogs above

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Speaker 7: my desk.

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Speaker 10: Ah, that's embarrassing.

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Speaker 7: It's a small space really, just big enough for a

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Speaker 7: tiny couch and a large desk. But ready to be impressed.

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Speaker 7: Oliver Wendell Holmes occupied these chambers for his entire tenure.

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Speaker 10: Really, that's amazing.

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Speaker 7: I thought you'd be impressed. Your sister's on the other.

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Speaker 3: Hand, Oh please, Susie thinks Oliver Wendell Holmes is too

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Speaker 3: bad fighting Moriarty to be a judge.

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Speaker 10: How are the other justices being anyone hazing you?

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Speaker 7: Well, no one's paddled me just yet, if that's what

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Speaker 7: you're asking. But I think Warren's pleased with me so far.

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Speaker 7: I'm fitting in.

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Speaker 12: Well, am I interrupted?

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Speaker 7: No, not at all? Come in, Come in, Sally, I

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Speaker 7: need to go the good martiall Chess walked in.

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Speaker 10: Oh oh gotcha. Elvis Presley just walked into my room,

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Speaker 10: so I actually got to go too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then.

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Speaker 7: They're good.

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Speaker 12: Take a seat now, just pass it by.

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Speaker 2: Thought I might be able.

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Speaker 12: To help out.

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Speaker 7: How's that exactly?

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Speaker 12: You're doing fine so far, Harry, You're getting the run

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Speaker 12: of the place. Now it's time to be your own man.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure I know what you mean sure.

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Speaker 12: You do, Harry. You don't owe anything to anybody, not

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Speaker 12: the chief, not the president, not anyone. Remember, you're here

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Speaker 12: till you retire or drop dead. That comes with the

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Speaker 12: freedom to piss off anybody you like.

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Speaker 2: I'm aware of that.

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Speaker 7: They're good. Have I done something to offend you?

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Speaker 12: I didn't mean to overhear your call with your daughter

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Speaker 12: just now, But take it from me, in a lifetime's

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Speaker 12: worth of experience, fitting in is overrated as hell. I'll

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Speaker 12: see you, Harry.

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Speaker 13: You should see the mountain of letters we're getting, Sarah.

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Speaker 13: People are inspired by your victory.

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Speaker 3: Some are Others are calling our house today am to

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Speaker 3: harass me.

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Speaker 9: Well, that just means you're a woman who did her job.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 9: Hell, Sarah, you got a unanimous verdict.

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Speaker 13: You got the judges to admit the freedom to choose

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Speaker 13: should be a fundamental right. Oh, we've set up an

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Speaker 13: interview for you tomorrow with the Texas Tribune.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'll check with Linda. Make sure she's free.

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Speaker 9: No, Sarah, just you.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand.

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Speaker 13: Well, the group discussed it. We want you to be

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Speaker 13: lead attorney from here on out, sole lead attorney. Hold

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Speaker 13: on me now, Linda is terrific.

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Speaker 3: Linda is a big part of the reason we won

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Speaker 13: Which is why she's perfect for a behind the scenes role.

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Speaker 13: She didn't even comb her hair before arguments.

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Speaker 3: Sarah arguments we want as a team anyway.

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Speaker 13: That's not true or fair. She had a run in

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Speaker 13: her stockings. She looked completely unkempt and unprofessional.

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Speaker 3: I see, so you hired me from my blonde hair

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Speaker 3: and blue eyes. This is a beauty contest, Sarah. Grow up.

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Speaker 13: Linda can be your second chair, but you need to

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Speaker 13: be the face we're going to send you on interviews.

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Speaker 13: Make sure people see you. The next step is crucial.

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Speaker 3: What next step? There's no next step. We only have

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Speaker 3: to go back to court if Texas appeals be they

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Speaker 3: almost certainly won't, so the legislature will just try to

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Speaker 3: write a new law to get around the verdict. This

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Speaker 3: case's day in court is over.

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Speaker 9: But fine.

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Speaker 3: If journalists want to ask me questions, I'll answer them.

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Speaker 3: Why is all my stuff in a box on my desk,

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Speaker 3: mister Morton?

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Speaker 2: I can't have political protests in my office, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: It's never been in your office, mister Morton. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: a Dallas courthouse, and now it's not anywhere I need

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Speaker 3: this job. This salary damnage is done.

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Speaker 2: Dear, you saw the post this morning?

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Speaker 3: I did. Is it not being a life in stock punishment? Enough?

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Speaker 2: Could have thought of that before? You know how much

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Speaker 2: I adore you, Sarah. But I don't have a choice.

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Speaker 3: Here, mister Morton. I think this is just a big misunderstanding.

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Speaker 3: This isn't about the movement for me. This was a

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Speaker 3: way to build my legal resume. Wouldn't you rather have

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Speaker 3: a successful attorney working here than someone who can just

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Speaker 3: type fast? Anyway, it's over now, I'm afraid it is Sarah. Sarah,

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Speaker 3: come quick? What is it? They're talking about your case

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Speaker 3: on TV?

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Speaker 2: Good luck, Dear, nothing changes. LETNA be real clear about that.

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Speaker 3: Who is that on TV?

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Speaker 9: It's Henry Wade, Sarah, he's talking about your case?

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Speaker 3: What the hell is the district attorney talking about it?

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Speaker 14: Forsh My office will continue to arrest, try and convict abortionist,

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Speaker 14: just as we've always done, despite what three liberal judges

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Speaker 3: What did he just say, Sarah?

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Speaker 9: Out your phone's ringing?

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Speaker 3: That's someone else's problem. Now I don't work here anymore, Sarah.

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Speaker 11: It's your mother on the phone.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe this. I'll get the extension. Mom. I

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Speaker 3: can't talk right now, Mom slowed down. How many more

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Speaker 3: prisoners do daddy lose? Mom? I gotta call you back,

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Speaker 3: mister Wade.

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Speaker 13: Are you saying you intend to simply ignore the Dallas verdict?

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Speaker 14: I'm saying the opinion of the Fifth Circuit Democrat court

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Speaker 14: means about as much to me as the opinion of

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Speaker 14: my five year old grandsons. So no, we won't be enforcing.

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Speaker 14: It'll be business as usual.

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Speaker 3: Sarah. What does this mean for your case?

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Speaker 11: Ron, Honey, would you bring me the sweet Tea.

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Speaker 3: Picture and the Texas Monthly and the New Vogue. You

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Speaker 3: did this all by yourself, Tom Li, Linda, get out

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Speaker 3: of here. I'm in the dang tub.

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Speaker 11: Answer me first.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what the heck you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Sarah, the beautiful feast behind the movement, Sarah crusading lead attorney, Sarah,

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Speaker 4: the woman behind Roe.

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Speaker 3: I thought we were partner, Sarah, we are. Linda, you told.

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Speaker 10: Those women from the group you'd beat the public face.

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Speaker 3: I shoot, be suggested it might be best for the case.

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Speaker 3: If you don't think I realize we have different strengths. Sarah.

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Speaker 14: I want what's best for the case too, but you

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Speaker 14: should have talked to me first.

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Speaker 3: The case is over, Linda, Henry Wade isn't even enforcing

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Speaker 3: the verdict. You want co credit on this mess by

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Speaker 3: all means. They appealed, Sarah appealed where there's no where

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Speaker 3: realistic for them to go.

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Speaker 15: It's over, yeah, you, but it's over, Linda.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, You okay?

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Speaker 3: And where the heck were you wrong hiding in the kitchen? Well,

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Speaker 3: thanks for that.

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Speaker 2: Linda will cool off, she will, all right, honey, I.

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Speaker 3: Swear on This is the strangest sort of winning I've

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Speaker 3: ever done.

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Speaker 2: I brought wine instead of tea, and the magazines.

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Speaker 3: And man and they say chivalry is dad.

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Speaker 2: Would you hate me if I said I was a

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Speaker 2: little glad it's over. It'll be nice. Set my wife again.

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Speaker 3: Care for what you wish for. Thanks for this, you'll.

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Speaker 2: Find another job, something even better, and we'll get back

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Speaker 2: to normal. Our life wasn't so bad, wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't deserve you wrong?

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Speaker 2: Here you go, and a bunch more fan letters. Those

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Speaker 2: are cheer.

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Speaker 11: Yep, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Serah, all right, what is it?

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Speaker 3: It's a pile of death threats.

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Speaker 11: Ron screwed it, Harry.

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Speaker 16: I just read your memo on the McGreevy case. Well done, kid,

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Speaker 16: I'm told Nixon is thrilled.

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Speaker 7: Warren, sit down a second. The President isn't who I'm

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Speaker 7: concerned with, Warren, christ what is it now? The McGreevy memo.

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Speaker 7: That's the only accomplishment to my name. I've been completely

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Speaker 7: ineffective on the court so far.

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Speaker 16: You're still getting your feet Wetry.

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Speaker 2: Warren.

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Speaker 7: You've assigned me three minor cases, and I haven't been

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Speaker 7: able to gather a single sustainable majority. Our colleagues resent

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Speaker 7: my friendship with you. Who gives a crap? I just

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Speaker 7: told you he gives a crap, Warren. The seven other

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Speaker 7: justices of the United States Supreme Court actually make it eight.

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Speaker 11: Harry.

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Speaker 16: Let me help you understand what no one told me

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Speaker 16: when I got on the court. You think being here

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Speaker 16: is about being Solomon, being wise.

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Speaker 7: It's not.

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Speaker 16: It's about what everything else in life is about. Politics. Politics. Hell, yes,

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Speaker 16: you were never part of the party delegation like I was, Harry,

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Speaker 16: But that's what this job is, crafting decisions so you

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Speaker 7: And here I was thinking it was about the law.

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Speaker 16: You went to Harvard, Harry, and I went to night school.

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Speaker 16: You know how we both ended up on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 7: Politics.

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Speaker 16: Damn right. This is dog fighting, plain and simple. Sooner

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Speaker 7: I had one of my clerks when the numbers woren.

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Speaker 7: Guess how often I've voted with you since I got confirmed.

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Speaker 7: I don't really care, Harry, in ninety three point five

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Speaker 16: Who's putting all this in your ear?

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Speaker 7: Bill Thurgood?

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Speaker 16: They're just annoyed the decisions haven't been going their way lately.

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Speaker 7: They think I'm your sidekick, Warren, that I'm out of

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Speaker 7: And what do you think? I think there's some of

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Speaker 16: Put them out of your mind, Harry. Now, let me

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Speaker 16: see you get a majority together on that little tax

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Speaker 16: exemption case by Monday.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 16: And remember politics.

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Speaker 7: Warren, Warren, hold on, how does Nixon even know about

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Speaker 7: my vote on the law and order cases? They haven't

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Speaker 3: Weddington Residents Sarah b let me call you back. I

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Speaker 10: I've been taken under surveillance.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

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Speaker 10: They're watching me, Sarah, They're watching all of us.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you're being paranoid.

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Speaker 10: Be damn't being watched too. Soorahpup, but doesn't other women

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Speaker 3: I don't understand taking under surveillance by who who?

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Speaker 10: Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, b I feel like we made our fair share

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well this is Nixon's FBI.

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Speaker 3: Oh please, Richard Nixon is not concerned with me. He's

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Speaker 10: So were we? Sarah? Go to your window.

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Speaker 3: What am I looking for?

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Speaker 10: You'll know when you see it.

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Speaker 3: I don't see anything, Be just Sarah, uh huh, Come here, sick.

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Speaker 5: Bacon smells amazing.

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Speaker 3: Honey, look outside. I don't recognize that car across the street.

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Speaker 3: Which one, the brown one with the two men sitting

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Speaker 10: You're blind, Sarah, b.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's the FBI. FBI agents are tall

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Speaker 3: and handsome, and those look like like devians.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, because if there's two words to describe j Edgar Hoover,

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Speaker 10: it's tall and handsome.

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Speaker 2: Jesus hey, it's just a smoke alarm from the bacon.

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Speaker 2: I'll take care of her.

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Speaker 7: Sarah, get away from the window.

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Speaker 2: They're probably just friends of the neighbors.

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Speaker 3: The thumb horss uh huh.

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Speaker 5: The only thing is I can't be sure, but I

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Speaker 5: think maybe that car was there last night too. I

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Speaker 5: think I noticed it when I came in.

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Speaker 3: Jesus, I'll call you right back. I need to warn Linda.

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Speaker 2: I'll just go out there and ask them to leave.

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Speaker 3: You'll do no such thing. We don't know who they are. Wrong.

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Speaker 3: They could be behind some of the death threats. Those

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Speaker 3: protesters are dangerous. They could have guns.

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Speaker 2: It's Dallas, Sarah, who doesn't have a gun. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they're harmless.

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Speaker 3: Rong. Imagine you're someone who believes Lafe begins a conception

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Speaker 3: just hasn't learned a roller skate yet. If you believe that,

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Speaker 3: then you have to think that what I'm doing is

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Speaker 3: attempted to commit mass murder on a scale no one's

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Speaker 3: conceived of since Gangh has come. If you really believe that,

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Speaker 3: deep in your soul, what wouldn't you do to me?

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Speaker 3: I gotta call.

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Speaker 2: Linda all right, I'll take over the stove.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't need a second crisis in this house.

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Speaker 3: Go take a shower. I'm okay. Hello, Linda, it's Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Don't hang up.

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Speaker 10: So you heard the news that.

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Speaker 3: We're being watched? Yeah, be called.

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Speaker 10: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: I got another stack of death threats in the mail?

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Speaker 10: You okay, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Someone's at the front door, Linda.

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Speaker 10: If you're scared, don't answer it. Call the police.

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Speaker 3: Ruh, shoot, hold on, Linda.

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Speaker 8: Sarah, be careful, Sarah Weddington.

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Speaker 3: Who are you?

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Speaker 8: Are you Sarah Weddington?

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Speaker 3: Linda? You still there?

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Speaker 10: Everything? Okay?

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Speaker 3: I don't know I slammed the door in someone's face. Ron,

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Speaker 3: hurry up in.

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Speaker 10: There, Sarah. Call the police if you're nervous.

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Speaker 3: Linda. Wait, you have to stop being mad at me.

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Speaker 3: Who cares If they want me to be the face

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Speaker 3: of the case From here on out, it's just going

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Speaker 3: to be paperwork. Henry Wade is refusing to obey the verdict,

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Speaker 3: but technically we won, so we can't appeal.

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Speaker 10: You kept the mail today, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure why.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be a telegram in there? You should

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Speaker 10: open it.

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Speaker 3: Linda, what are you talking.

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Speaker 10: About goodbye Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Telegrams don't come in the mail in this part

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Speaker 3: of the city. They come by. Hey, you wait.

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Speaker 8: You slam the door in my face, lady.

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Speaker 3: I know, I thought you were alludative harasser.

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Speaker 8: Between the two of us. I think that describes you.

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Speaker 12: At the moment.

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Speaker 3: I know, but you're not your.

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Speaker 8: You're I'm from Western Union.

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Speaker 3: You have a telegram for me?

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Speaker 8: I should make you come all the way down to

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Speaker 8: the store. You know, I'm too damn nice here, Holy Marry.

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Speaker 3: Mother of God, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 11: Ron Ron, get out here, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: You're right.

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Speaker 7: What's wrong?

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Speaker 3: Ron Ron? Read the letter?

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Speaker 2: What is it? Another death threat?

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Speaker 3: No, it's scarier than that. Read it.

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Speaker 2: Please be advised. The case of Jane Rovy Henry Wade

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Speaker 2: has been accepted.

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Speaker 3: For argument by the Supreme Court of the United States

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Speaker 3: of America.

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Speaker 2: How is this possible?

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Speaker 3: Must be because Wade said he keep arresting doctors.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: Usually it takes years for a case to get to

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. But they can't just allow local officials

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Speaker 3: to disobey a lower court's orders. So we've bypassed all

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Speaker 3: the other courts and gone right to the top.

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Speaker 5: Holy hell, Sarah, we're going to Washington.

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Speaker 3: This is amazing. You think that you can handle a

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't want to be a broken record, but

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Speaker 4: this is a giant mistake.

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Speaker 9: Ladies, we shouldn't even be entertaining this. We know how

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Speaker 9: you feel.

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Speaker 3: Deb.

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Speaker 9: You made yourself very clear, over and over and over again.

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Speaker 3: What time is he supposed to be here? Bee? He's late,

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Speaker 3: isn't he.

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Speaker 9: He'll be here, Sarah before you finish your burger.

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Speaker 4: He's thirty minutes late, Sarah. First impressions matter.

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Speaker 9: He's entitled to keep us waiting.

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Speaker 3: Deb.

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Speaker 13: We're lucky mister Lucas considers us important enough to come

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Speaker 13: down here.

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Speaker 9: And meet with us. Oh please, of scoff all you want.

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Speaker 13: But Roy Lucas was the first person to write about

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Speaker 13: the grounds for a constitutional challenge to abortion laws.

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Speaker 9: Everyone in the movement has read him.

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Speaker 3: Lynda was so impressed when I told her mister Lucas

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Speaker 3: was coming down. She'd be here if she could get

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Speaker 3: away from work.

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Speaker 9: Oh there he is now, he's so handsome.

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Speaker 6: Ladies. Hello, we're all mister Lucas. So you're the girls

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Speaker 6: turning everything upside down? Here in Dallas. Let me get

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Speaker 6: a good look at you.

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Speaker 13: All, mister Lucas. I'm beez Hearin. We spoke on the phone.

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Speaker 13: This is Deb, Marga Leese and of course Sarah Wedding.

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Speaker 9: You're a little last to meet.

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Speaker 6: You, missus Weddington. You are even more beautiful in person

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Speaker 6: than in your photos in the paper. Tell me, do

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Speaker 6: you ladies have any idea what a remarkable job you've done?

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Speaker 9: Yes, we do.

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Speaker 3: That's very kind. Please join us, mister Lucas.

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Speaker 13: Now, the ribs here are outstanding. Lucas, if you're hungry,

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Speaker 13: I know you've had a long.

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Speaker 6: Trip, or maybe just some coffee.

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Speaker 4: So what exactly did you fly all the way down

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Speaker 4: here from New York to talk to us about mister Lucas.

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Speaker 13: We invited him down. Deb sorry about her, mister Lucas.

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Speaker 6: Well, not at all. I'm not sure if you know

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Speaker 6: my work, Miss Marbley's.

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Speaker 9: Of course we do. Everyone in the movement knows you,

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Speaker 9: mister Lucas. We're tickled you came down just to see us.

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Speaker 6: Believe me, the pleasure is all mine. What you all

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Speaker 6: have managed to accomplish here is just outstanding, outstanding. I

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Speaker 6: wouldn't have come otherwise, And like any sane man sitting

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Speaker 6: with three beautiful young ladies, Jesus Christ, I have a

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Speaker 6: proposal to make what exactly is that, mister Lucas.

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Speaker 2: Well, Sarah.

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Speaker 6: In short, I'm proposing a partnership. I know how to

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Speaker 6: handle this.

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Speaker 9: Appeal, as do we.

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Speaker 2: Mister Lucas, do respect.

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Speaker 6: Miss Marbley's all evidence to the contrary. You all made

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Speaker 6: some mistakes in Dallas that we simply can't afford to

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Speaker 6: make at this level.

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Speaker 3: I know we goof, but only including da Wade's name

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Speaker 3: all not just.

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Speaker 6: That, Sarah. There's lots of things you shouldn't be using

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Speaker 6: these aliases for your plaintiffs. For one, Roe Doe, it's

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Speaker 6: not a nursery rhyme. You also didn't present any solid

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Speaker 6: evidence to support your arguments. You don't want to give

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court a reason to send the case back

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Speaker 6: down to a lower court. And the brief has got

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Speaker 6: to be much more professionally written. It's got to be

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Speaker 6: written directly to the specific justices, tap into their biases

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Speaker 6: and personalities. I know Thurgood and Bill and Warren. I

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Speaker 6: know what they want to hear.

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Speaker 3: So those are things you can help us with, mister Lucas.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Sarah. I have an established infrastructure in my Manhattan offices.

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Speaker 6: We can write the brief on the case, get your

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Speaker 6: funding money.

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Speaker 4: Really, how exactly can you do that?

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Speaker 9: Did hear him out?

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Speaker 6: That's all right, Sarah? Can I call you, Sarah? Let

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Speaker 6: me explain. When I take on a case like this,

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Speaker 6: it becomes news and it gets done.

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Speaker 4: Right, we're already news. The Supreme Court is hearing us.

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Speaker 6: The Supreme Court hears a lot of cases, Miss Markleys,

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Speaker 6: almost one hundred and fifty last term, and I bet

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Speaker 6: you can only name a dozen, right. Most of them

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Speaker 6: just fall by the wayside. When I was at Harvard,

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Speaker 6: I wrote the first ever article outline in constitutional grounds

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Speaker 6: for a woman's right to choose. More recently, I argued

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Speaker 6: the Viewis case, which most of my colleagues believe laid

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Speaker 6: the groundwork for your case. I've been directly involved in

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Speaker 6: every major abortion right suit filed across the country in

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Speaker 6: the last.

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Speaker 3: Decade, and that's what gets you funded.

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Speaker 6: And we have benefactors with deep pockets, people who want

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Speaker 6: to change the laws as much as you and I do,

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Speaker 6: will use their resources to put a whole team on

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Speaker 6: this twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

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Speaker 6: Whatever it takes will help you research, write drafts of

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Speaker 6: the brief, prep you for oral argument, and share pages

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Speaker 6: with you so you can weigh in every step of

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Speaker 6: the way.

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Speaker 3: Wow, we sure could use the help.

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Speaker 9: That's debatable.

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Speaker 3: You know what did if I weren't the only one

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Speaker 3: working full time on this case going bankrupt on its expenses,

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Speaker 3: then maybe you could have a say till then zip it?

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Speaker 6: Ladies, do you know how much Brown v.

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Speaker 2: Board costs to take to the Supreme Court?

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Speaker 6: Two hundred and forty thousand dollars and that was almost

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Speaker 6: twenty years ago. You got that much in your bank account, Sarah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we're hardly Brown v. Bored, mister Lucas, that's.

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Speaker 6: Incredibly naive, Miss Marglis. The abortion debate is the debate

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Speaker 6: the eye of the storm. You've been given an extraordinary

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Speaker 6: chance here. I'm not sure you even realize the gravity

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Speaker 6: of it. Of all the abortion cases across the country,

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Speaker 6: yours is the one the Supreme Court has chosen to hear. Now,

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Speaker 6: whether you like it or not, whether it's fair or not,

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Speaker 6: your case is the one that will decide the issue

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Speaker 6: for the next Who knows how many generations? Can you

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Speaker 6: honestly tell me you're prepared to do this all on

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Speaker 6: your own. Is that what's fair to the women across

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Speaker 6: this country who are counting on change.

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Speaker 9: Let us discuss it for a minute.

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Speaker 6: Mister Lucas, Oh, why don't I just mosey on over

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Speaker 6: to the jukebox while you all talk?

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Speaker 4: You do that, mosey away.

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Speaker 9: You are being so rude, dep I'm.

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Speaker 3: The one who's rude. What about him giving us that.

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Speaker 4: Sanctimonious lecture on the importance of women's rights, as if

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Speaker 4: we don't know their lives at stake. This is a

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Speaker 4: women's issue. It should be handled by women.

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Speaker 3: I don't like him.

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Speaker 4: I don't like his shiny suit or his shiny hair.

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Speaker 4: I don't trust him. We're doing just fine on our own.

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Speaker 4: Look how far we've gotten without him, Deb.

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Speaker 3: You don't know the first thing you're talking about. We're

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Speaker 3: going to the Supreme Court, the Supreme ever love and court.

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Speaker 3: I spend my days with my nose covered in black

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Speaker 3: carbon I have a grand total of one hour of

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Speaker 3: court experience. Ron and I are going broke, cover and everything.

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Speaker 3: All the expenses on what planet isn't this man of

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Speaker 3: God's hands?

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Speaker 4: So when we feel a little out of our depth,

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Speaker 4: we run to a man for cover.

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Speaker 9: How's that gonna look? It's your call, Sarah.

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Speaker 13: We'll stand behind whatever you decide, mister Lucas.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Sarah, Welcome aboard.

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Speaker 3: Supreme.

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