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Speaker 1: Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it

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Speaker 1: a chance. Good morning, give it a.

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Speaker 2: Chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance, give

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Speaker 1: Good morning. Give it you want to give it a chance,

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Speaker 1: give it a chance, give it a chance. Just yeah,

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Speaker 1: here we go again. Just two friends. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you this.

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Speaker 2: I think I have two songs by this artist I

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Speaker 2: want to do in this episode.

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Speaker 3: I love it. No rules, no rules.

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Speaker 1: We got to give our chancers a little extra bonus.

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Speaker 1: They've been so good to us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you have been, and you have been.

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Speaker 1: You've been giving us all of your money and attention.

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Speaker 3: This is like I get an award at something like

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Speaker 3: the Grammys or whatever, and they're like, I just you.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't be possible without you, guys. It's like that's

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Speaker 3: literally true. And also the way it's said always makes

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Speaker 3: me want to be like, yeah, break out the guillotine.

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Speaker 3: It's time.

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Speaker 1: I wish that I could thank them in a different way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Back to Larger than Live.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot all about that.

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Speaker 4: Oh la la Okay, So I'll tell you the My

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Speaker 4: dilemma is I've also because I've I've thought that I

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Speaker 2: So I'm already letting you know that these are earworms

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Speaker 2: and they're catchy, but on paper, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Like these songs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And the first one we're going to start with,

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Speaker 2: I want to say, if you know much about the

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Speaker 3: No, the truth is, I actually really don't. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Like there was a Bad Book song called Forest Whitaker,

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Speaker 3: Alt Nation Serious Alt Nation, And I've had a handful

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Speaker 3: I would see Imagine Dragons a lot on the same

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Speaker 3: eleven years ago, but I feel like they're they've been,

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Speaker 2: My disclaimer is that I think they seem like really

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Speaker 3: This is dangerous for you. I like what you're doing here.

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Speaker 3: It's like bringing risk into the picture.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm risk of a long game to play.

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Speaker 3: It is a tap. I mean, I've been playing a

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Speaker 1: So this is risky for you.

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Speaker 3: Ye, risky business, risky business, Practical Jokers and Practical Ghosters.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on here.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So the song we're gonna listen to first is radio active,

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Speaker 3: Oh here is radio active?

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Speaker 3: All right? Sorry? Radioactive?

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Speaker 1: They imagine dragons. Wow.

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Speaker 3: First thing I'll say, is I have heard that song?

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Speaker 3: it's just a person in life is I actually feel

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Speaker 1: Today. I'm not that guy, but I love it.

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Speaker 3: This is great at LISTA.

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Speaker 2: Always says the same thing about me. She's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: So I look, I don't fault the band, but I

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Speaker 3: Want to start, great place to start.

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Speaker 2: I think this song's greatest influence is that movie The

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Speaker 3: It is musical theater that that musical theater with farting

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Speaker 2: We can start here, we can, okay, thank you, because

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Speaker 1: Right right, like with jay Z. Yeah, Lincoln, that's.

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Speaker 3: Cool, all right, Sure, I can spend thirty minutes of

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Speaker 3: coolest thing that's ever on and imagine dragons song. It's

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Speaker 3: it's disrespect. Imagine dragons. I'm talking about the way people

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Speaker 3: on one of my songs, it would be unquestionably the

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Speaker 2: I'm imagining what song would be of yours, and I'm

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Speaker 2: imagining it's like a it's a It's like your song

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Speaker 1: Born and raised.

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Speaker 3: He's singing it. You're like, no, no, this isn't what

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Speaker 3: tell you what. When you said you're not a colleague,

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Speaker 3: you're a fucking colonizer, I was like, damn.

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Speaker 1: You identified it.

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Speaker 3: I thought that shit was great that verse that versus

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Speaker 2: Well here's a crazy thing. So the other thing part

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Speaker 2: But so, I don't think this song has much. I

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Speaker 1: Lyrically we're talking, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it as immediately, but I mean they

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Speaker 3: That is well sure, sure.

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Speaker 1: I want. I don't know if we listen to it

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Speaker 2: But the other song that I gets actually gets stuck

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Speaker 2: Believer You Make It.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard that song. I didn't know if that

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Speaker 3: remember Me, Full of a sudden trees.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, which might.

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Speaker 3: Show up, but another chance, because that songs big time,

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Speaker 3: that would be a hard one for me to chance up.

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Speaker 1: I've got them on the list for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's like what it's like, it's like trailer music.

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Speaker 2: Like it's like music to put that's like a pop

436
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Speaker 2: song that would go on like a trailer. Obviously, this

437
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Speaker 2: this could definitely work for like a Godzilla.

438
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say Godzilla, Yeah, King Kong versus Godzilla, Yeah, something.

439
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: Like that, but like maybe Pacific rim or like an

440
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: action movie, like even Yeah, you've got an obsessiment obsession

441
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Speaker 2: with Poseidon.

442
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear that them produce my cut about Poseidon,

443
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 3: and I'm inviting and imagine dragons if they're produced just

444
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: like this, like ready, like I'm old Posidon, make me

445
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: dons and sing real Posidon, you're the ocean king, real side,

446
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 3: and put them big drums behind that and that farty

447
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 3: bass thing and we all have a stadium anthem.

448
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Speaker 1: Real Poseidon, Real Poseided. Is Posiding a Roman god or

449
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: a Greek god?

450
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Speaker 3: Oh? Good question. I want to say Greek.

451
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: You know, I can't remember because I thought to ask Siri,

452
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: or is it it might be Norse.

453
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: Is Posidon a Greek god or a Roman god? Poseidon

454
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 3: is the Greek god of the sea, earthquakes and horses.

455
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Speaker 1: Earthquakeke what hold up? Hold up?

456
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Speaker 2: That's like also even the way Siri said it was

457
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Speaker 2: just like of the sea and earthquakes and horses.

458
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Speaker 3: Wow. See you look, chancers, you come here to learn,

459
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: and today you did. Today you did? Right?

460
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Speaker 1: Is the Greek god of the sea and earthquakes and horses.

461
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Speaker 3: And imagine dragons.

462
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Speaker 1: Oh full zerky, Oh, this is actually a song, no doubt.

463
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Speaker 3: What you said earlier about the greatest Showman is like,

464
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: without question, that's nail meat head, you know what I mean.

465
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Speaker 1: Okay, So this next song I'm hoping makes me a believer.

466
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Speaker 3: All right, we have also I like this. We're going

467
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: down to the wire with a double chance.

468
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: First this, I'm gonna say all the words that's on

469
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Speaker 2: my head.

470
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Speaker 3: I have to say one thing, yep. And it actually

471
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 3: gets to the core of our project. There's a degree

472
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Speaker 3: to which it's impossible, like this is it's perfectly executed

473
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: for what it is, what it wants to be, and

474
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: so on some level what is there to say, and

475
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: yet we've established an entire podcast around saying it, so I,

476
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: you know, you can't say that this is like I

477
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: know Lin Menuel Miranda is a big Decembrists fan. That

478
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: also does not surprise me December's and the Mountain Goats,

479
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: which I think makes sense on some level. This is

480
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 3: like this is Lynn Manuel Core, Like this to me

481
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: is like the way he's delivering, like the and I

482
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: have to say, I struggle, I struggle. I struggle mightily

483
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: with Lynn Manuel Core. I do. I struggle mightily. And

484
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: that's an EPP for another time. Maybe we'll do a

485
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: Hamilton season. I don't know, but I do have to

486
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: say there's something about this that is like, it is epic,

487
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: it is anthemic. It is it invites you to like

488
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: exactly this would be like as they're cut into like

489
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: and the Chiefs take a seventeen to six lead and

490
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 3: we'll be back on NBC, like they're playing this on

491
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: the way to like the fucking commercial for fart Puffins

492
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: or whatever is gonna come on. But like so it's

493
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: perfect as what it is and maybe this is the

494
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: problem and I'll shut up after this. For me, and

495
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: this is again totally subjective and perhaps unfair. What I

496
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: have to overcome sometimes as an impediment to my chancy

497
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: instincts with stuff like this is that it's meant to represent.

498
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: It is positive and sold as something that represents alternative culture.

499
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: And my question here is what the fuck is this

500
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: alternative too? When it incorporates everything about the dead red

501
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: middle of what people you know what I mean, like

502
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: like or talk about like this could be music that

503
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: would be in like a commercial for any product that

504
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: could change it vaguely, and it could be for Huggies

505
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: that could change it. And that's that is also one

506
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: of the things that makes a chance worthy. It's it's amazing,

507
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: it's bullet proof, and this fans speaks to that. But

508
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: maybe that's the problem for me is that it goes

509
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: beyond aesthetics to where I'm like, well, what is maybe

510
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 3: there's sixteen year old kids to whom this does represents

511
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: an alternative to like whatever?

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right, I mean, yeah, what

513
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: is there's no counter culture anymore to that, like you know,

514
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: like to this, I guess, I guess if it depends

515
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: on what you're being forced, like if you're if everyone

516
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: in your school likes trap music, and then you're like, well,

517
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: have you heard this thing? You might feel like, oh wow,

518
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: this is this is the germs or something, you know

519
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like this is like yeah, But I

520
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: don't think I don't think that's the case, to be honest.

521
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: I think it boils down to choices, right, and like,

522
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: are there choices that they made in this song that

523
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Speaker 2: you do like? Because there's certain choices where he's like

524
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: Scooby do do.

525
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, I think.

526
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Speaker 3: Those pauses before there's those pregnant pauses. That's cool. That's

527
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: a that's an interesting thing. And it's I they've clearly

528
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 3: also internalized generations of both anthemic rock music in the

529
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Speaker 3: vein of like you know, we will rock you Shook

530
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: Me all night long or whatever else, And they've also

531
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: internalized like the bombastic, sort of hyper aggressive aspects of

532
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: like certain modes of dance music and of hip hop,

533
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 3: you know, and and and they've put them in a

534
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: very palatable pop blend. But that also has like some

535
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: some allusions, all allusions to like sonic teeth in it.

536
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: It's not like it's got like some grit in a way.

537
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 3: It's just also like very sanitized grit. But I didn't

538
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: answer the choices. I think it's grit in quotes. It's

539
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: grit in quotes, and I think the thing about But

540
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: I do think there are those moments they clearly like

541
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: even when he gets into like it's like a way

542
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: he's like, he's kind of like building a dynamic and

543
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: building momentum to move pace to place. The emotional journey

544
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: is satisfying if you open up to it.

545
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: You're right though, it is that it's Broadway grit.

546
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: It's it's like you know, and like Broadways trying to

547
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: give you.

548
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: More than I could ever tell you. Yes, I know so, well.

549
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but I will say to add other another

550
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: genre to it. So my friend's dad, like, I've been

551
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: to a bunch of like family parties, and his dad

552
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: like puts on music and he sings along to it,

553
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: and he sings like the classics, like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin.

554
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: He loves all that krooner stuff. And this song comes

555
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: on and he starts singing it and it's like Frank Sinatra,

556
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: like he he sounds.

557
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: He starts going. First things first, let's say all the

558
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Speaker 1: words inside my head.

559
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: He's a Staten Island guy, and he makes it sound

560
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: like Frank Sinatra, and it makes me like this song

561
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: so much more. Second thing, second, like it sounds like

562
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: a crooner and I love it, you know, you know.

563
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: And he even he's like he's like, I'm getting good

564
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: at it and he good does like that good at it.

565
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: It took me sho mefield and you know, like he

566
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: and it's it that actually even hearkens back to Broadway.

567
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Speaker 6: Too in like like this is very deep seated, which

568
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 6: it's amazing that when you when you put it like

569
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 6: that where it's so Broadway like theater, kid, that it's

570
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 6: incredible that it's gotten as far as it has.

571
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Speaker 3: You know, actually though, and you're you're speaking to two

572
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: things that are quite cool, which is on the one

573
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: there is something to be said, like I'm also not

574
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: necessarily a musical theater guy, and I've you know, I've

575
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: it's not that there's none of it for me, but

576
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: a lot of it's it's not that might preferred, but

577
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: undoubtable craft, undoubtable like that that is a thing that

578
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: people it's it's it's a skill. It's a skill and

579
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: it's a it's a rarefied skill and it's cool in

580
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 3: that environment that there's also like a narrative component to it.

581
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: It's not it's funny. It's like, it's not what I'm

582
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: looking for out of music, which might sound like a

583
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: funny thing to say. It's also like the way like

584
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: lin Manuel Mirandadamy is like rap in quotes. He's not

585
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: a good he's not it's not rap, but he's like

586
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: doing something that's like and so that' music to me

587
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: is like music in quotes, but it's not like what

588
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: I'm looking for out of music.

589
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: Professional wrestling is what it is.

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Speaker 2: Broadway is professional wrestling to like a to wrestling or

591
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: to like a like a like a UFC. Right, Yes,

592
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm not saying UFC is better than professional wrestling. In fact,

593
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: I think I prefer professional I agree. What I mean

594
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: is like the Broadway is like it's taking elements of

595
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: music and other things and it's making this thing, and

596
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: once you speak the language, you love it and you

597
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: look for those connections. Same with professional wrestling. Once you

598
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: once you're on the like you feel like you're on

599
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: the inside of it. As a fan, you're like looking

600
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: for those.

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Speaker 3: Cultural Yeah, and the one thing I'll say is we

602
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: do as we chance our way. Towards the end of

603
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: another app with sixty seconds on the clock, I will

604
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: just say this what you did that I love? There?

605
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: Tell that story about your friend's dad. There's a song

606
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: in every song that is a song I could like.

607
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: And to me, it's about how to impose to cover

608
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: this song like your friend's dad was doing. It's how

609
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: do you find that wow and communicate it. That's what

610
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: I think of every time I'm covering a song, whether

611
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: I get it right or not as a material, that's

612
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: the thought process. And so what just got brought me

613
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: to is part of what we're doing here is what's

614
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: the song in every song?

615
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

616
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: That's such a topic that I want to keep exploring though,

617
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: because I love that, like, like, is there a world?

618
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: Is there a way of playing this song a different

619
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: way to make us like it even more?

620
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: And you'll find out next time on Chancers that now goodbye,