WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Another Morning 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.360 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:11.800 Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.200 Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:18.079 and it's Monday, the day of the week that we 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.439 read back messages from the mail bag, messages you out 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.160 there and the audience have sent into our show account, which, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:25.680 by the way, if you'd like to get in touch 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.040 is contact at Stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.559 That's contact at Stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Uh, 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.400 get in touch for any reason at all. If you 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.640 have feedback on an episode that has aired in the past, 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.440 if you have h corrections, things to add to a topic, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.839 suggestions for future topics, or if you just want to 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:49.320 share something interesting, email anytime. That's right. And if you 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.480 want to join the Stuff to Blow your Mind discord, 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.400 well email us and I'll send to the link. All right, 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.360 We've got no other preliminary business as far as I know, 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.480 So rob do you mind if I jump right in 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.720 with this first message? In response to our episodes about 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.840 animals throwing things, yeah, good for it. Oh and humans 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.840 throwing things. By the way, we we focused entirely on 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.839 humans in the fourth episode. Yeah. By by the fourth 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:22.160 episode it had completely evolved. So this first message was 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:26.440 from Maya, subject line the Throwing Madonna. And this email 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.399 was interesting because we had just finished recording an episode 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.560 covering exactly the subject Maya raises here when the email 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.720 came in, so it was certainly a bull's eye of 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.520 a suggestion, but she had some additional detail and color 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.920 about this idea from from William Calvin, so I thought 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.200 I would read this here on listener mail anyway, So 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.760 Maya rites, Hello Robin Joe, congratulations on the new baby 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.800 girl Joe. I'm sure she will contribute with a ton 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.600 of new ideas for the show. Children are so weird 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.520 and interesting. I will skip over this opportunity to go 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.480 on a baby looked at Me tangent. Maya goes on 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.680 your recent series on animals. Throwing things brought to mind. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:13.079 The Throwing Madonna, a nine three book by William Calvin 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.040 in which he explores many ideas about the evolution of 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.160 the brain. The essay that lends the book its title is, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.920 in Calvin's words, quote a parody involving maternal heartbeat sounds 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.120 on the typically male theories of handedness. In this essay, 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.960 he speculates that mother's would favor carrying their infant children 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.480 with the left arm, so the kids would purportedly be 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.320 soothed by her heartbeats. This would leave the right arm 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.520 free for throwing stones in order to hunt small game 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.720 and procure her sustenance. And the rest is evolution. On 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.520 a more serious, although equally stimulating note, Calvin also discusses 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.280 in a chapter devoted to the relationship between the act 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.720 of throwing and our huge brains, that the left hemisphere 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.960 quote seems to have a specialization for muscle sequencing, not 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:07.160 only for hand movement, but for oral facial movements as well. Thus, 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:11.240 those hominins that perfected pitching stones. And then a little 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.480 parenthetical here quote action at a distance one of the 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.840 better inventions of biological evolution, since sex, says Calvin, close 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:24.720 parenthetical via their left hemispheres would also be inadvertently selecting 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.680 for the evolution of language. Uh. And then she concludes, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:34.520 go for it, OCTOPI all the best, Mayo. For some reason, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.560 we keep coming back to this like, Okay, what's it 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.800 gonna take. What's it gonna take for the octopus to 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.600 uh to get on the path to technological intelligence, and 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.880 I feel like the big barrier for me is always 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.000 their relatively antisocial nature when compared to primates. So you know, 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.480 I uh, language, I think is a big part of 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.119 that process. And I don't know what kind of biological 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.680 impetus there is for developing language when you just don't 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.160 really want to be around or deal with other octopuses. Yeah, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.880 what can they say to another octopus that they cannot 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.560 already say by throwing dirt or rocks at them? Yeah, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.040 but no reason not to be optimistic. Yeah, a little 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:24.560 octo optimism for the day. Thank you for the email. Maya. Alright, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.440 this next one comes to us from Carrie Carry rides 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.560 in and says Rob and Joe, I was surprised that 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.960 in your animal throwing stuff part two episodes you didn't 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.960 mention elephants throwing sand, dirt, and mud onto their backs 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.960 with their trunks. This is a well documented behavior and 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.680 it's definitely the purposeful throwing of stuff that has been 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.279 explained as them trying to ward off insects and provide 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.960 a protection from the sun. The action is not unlike 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.120 an octopus throwing sand at other octopuses, at least as 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.599 far as the material being thrown is concerned. Keep up 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.240 a good work carry yes, thankscry Yeah, I think I 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.680 think I kind of glossed over this detail and discussing 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.279 the evolution of the la elephant tool use as a 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:07.120 parasite control and a way of uh thermoregulation. But yes, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.479 this is of course one of the major ways that 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.880 they use tools in the in in this case often 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.160 just dirt and sand as a way of covering up 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.520 that thick elephant skin that again looks so tough to us, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.200 but it's actually quite sensitive and need to be protected 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.760 from parasites and the sun. You know, this email makes 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.080 me wonder in what ways we're limited by thinking about 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:35.080 tools often as like solid, fixed form objects like a 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.360 tool is maybe a stick or a rock. But why 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.479 isn't a tool equally constituted by you know, an amorphous 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.800 mass of substance like a clump of dirt or a 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.800 you know, uh massive water. Yeah. So, or as we 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.280 discussed in one of these episodes of primate poop, tool 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.000 or not a tool? Um, yeah, And I think in 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.359 this case I was clearly I was distracted by the 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:03.680 prospect of elephants throwing arrows, or at least stones and 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.400 and and tree limbs, uh and and maybe a horse 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.279 thrown in there as well that I just kind of 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.800 glossed over dirt and sand. It's hard to get into 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.920 and excited about dirt as as a as a tool used, 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:19.000 but it really is. Now speaking of elephant tool use, throwing, 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.880 and poop, all of these come together in the next email. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:29.400 This is from Mike. Mike says, Hi, Joe and Rob. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.200 About twenty five years ago, my future wife and I 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:36.000 went to the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago. The elephants 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.799 there had an outdoor environment that was a half circle 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.919 with a five foot railing and a waterless moat between 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.159 them and us. There were three elephants in this area. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.160 We noticed that about twenty five people were intently watching 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.120 and wondered why. Then we saw the dung everywhere at 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.160 our feet. It was spread across the sidewall area where 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.640 everyone was standing. One large elephant was standing in front, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.359 near the edge of the enclosure. Suddenly he whipped his 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.720 trunk from between his legs and nailed one of the 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.840 three pea hens that were walking near us. This was amazing. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.640 He threw the dung about thirty five to forty feet 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.360 and it literally knocked the bird to the ground. It 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:21.200 hit with a thud, perfect shot. Next, he counterclockwise curled 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.080 the end of his trunk, grabbed some more dung, and 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.720 hit the woman who is nearest him in the face. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.800 She got her arms up and blocked it, but it 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.680 was accurate. A girl was yelling to her mother on 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.040 the right side of us to come see the elephant, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.080 and he appeared to turn away from her and point 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.680 toward a couple of pea hens who had returned to 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.480 the area at that moment. He whipped his trunk to 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.280 the left and beamed the girl in the waste area. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.680 She was startled and took off running. The elephant quickly 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.360 grabbed more dung and nailed her in the head as 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:56.240 she ran toward her mother again. Mike says, it was amazing. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.840 I guess that is amazing, though I'm sure not what 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.920 people had in mind for the trip to the zoo 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.400 that day. Yeah, I hope everyone was okay anyway, Mike says, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.640 given this, I suspect you're going to hear a lot 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.240 about such stories. When you were talking about elephants throwing spears, 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.800 I thought, with practice and help with technique, absolutely. You 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.920 didn't talk about what I believe would be the most 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:23.960 frightening situation, an elephant throwing something heavy. They are incredibly strong, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.800 combined that with speed and accuracy. Wow. What impressed me 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.480 most was the accuracy. I got the sense he was 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:37.200 having fun, perhaps testing himself. He passed. Thanks, good show, Mike. Well, Mike, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.160 as you're describing this story, I don't know that this 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:47.199 sounds to me like more consistent throwing accuracy than I 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.240 had been led to believe elephants were usually going to 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.520 be capable of as certainly without training. I don't know. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.240 I mean, I don't think it's too surprising based on well, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.679 I mean we did. We discussed accounts where where they 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.640 had been trained to throw arts at balloons, which clearly 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.880 they have been encouraged to do, but also that is 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.600 clearly taking advantage of of some sort of natural ability. Uh. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.679 And then we do have those, uh, those clips from 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.800 the wild of an elephant throwing, for instance, a rock 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.040 at a rhino, elephant throwing a limb at a lady 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.120 in a truck on safari or something like that. So um, yeah, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.120 I mean they seem to be good shots when they 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.160 are in the mood to do it. I guess a 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.959 lot of the examples I'd seen of elephants throwing stuff 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.640 in the wild, it looked more to me like a 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.440 not like a you know, super accurate pitch, but just 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.760 kind of a toss in the general direction of something. Yeah, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.160 I guess that. You know, a lot of it comes 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.360 down to like what is being emoated by the throwing? 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.920 Is it kind of just a general throwing stuff around? 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.880 Are they, you know, peppering their back with dirt or 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.319 do they have an infra some pe hens uh that 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.079 sort of thing. Are they a little disturbed that there's 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.800 a vehicle in their vicinity or a rhino near the 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.520 water gung hole or something? Think of that effect as 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.400 for throwing larger objects, And I think we did mention 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:09.920 them potentially throwing human beings and war horses and tree limbs, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.880 and that's plenty big. I would not want anything bigger 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.400 than that thrown at me by an elephant, And I 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.040 mean I would assume nothing smaller was thrown at me 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.320 by an elephant either. But anyway, very illuminating. Thank you 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:28.760 for the email, Mike. All right, here's another one that's 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.160 one comes to us from Jerome Jerome rites and says, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.840 listening to the first part of the animals Throwing Things episode, 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.920 I'm sure it would seem reasonable that certainly highly intelligent 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.520 animals would throw objects. However, it makes me think of 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.880 my ball python when she eats her large rat frozen 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.720 and reheated. After constricting the rat, she will then poke 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.520 her face around the rat in her grasp to try 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.280 to find the head, since she must swallow the rat 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.400 snout first in order for it to go down. Sometimes 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.600 it appears she will get frustrated and throw the rat 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.280 to the other side of her feeding bin to try 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.120 to reorient the feeder and try again finding the snout. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.760 This is obviously purposeful throwing, and only observed in this 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:14.000 particular instance. I hope you all might find this interesting. Yeah, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.840 so it sounds like the snake is using throwing as 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.360 a kind of physical reset button on a behavior. Yeah, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.760 the way I'm picturing it, it makes sense like it's 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.360 not a situation where merely dropping the animal is the 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.959 most energy efficient thing to do, because then the snake 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.440 potentially has to then reorient its entire body. But if 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:38.080 it can just sort of like throw the rodent to 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.600 the side, then it perhaps has to use less energy 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.800 than to get in position to feed. Again. Yeah, I 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.120 also I don't think I realized that bull python had 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.560 to swallow the rats. Now first, I mean, it makes 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.320 sense now that it's it's said to me. I believe this, 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.199 not that it's mentioned, because I'm just kind of imagining 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.400 how that depends us, that snake would need to eat 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.080 the road. Yeah. And it's more, Um, I want to 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:08.840 say aerodynamic, that's not the word. More dynamic. More throw too, dynamic, 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:22.280 digesto dynamic. There you go. Yeah, okay, next message also 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.400 about throwing animals. This comes from Jasper. This involves the 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.400 pronunciation of the names of Swedish places. I apologize for 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.679 how I'm probably gonna get that wrong, but um, Jessper says, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.360 listening to your two part series about throwing, I was 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.120 reminded of a myth I heard as a kid related 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.920 to the topic. In my home country, Sweden, you will 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.640 find tons of lakes. The two largest ones are easily 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.400 visible on a map, situated in the mid south of 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:53.679 the country and named Vaughnern and Vatern respectively. If you 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.040 take a look at the southern Baltic Sea east of Sweden, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:01.240 you will find the country's largest islands, oh and Gotland. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:07.720 Fun fact. Ohlan literally means island land. Okay, it doesn't 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.280 take a lot of imagination to see that the two 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:15.000 lakes and islands have a striking resemblance in shape and size. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.319 The version of the myth I heard was about two 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.240 giants having a throwing contest. One of them picked up 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.680 a huge part of the earth and threw it into 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:29.120 the Baltic Sea, creating Gotland, and when the whole eventually 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.200 filled up with water Vonnern the other giant didn't manage 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.720 to pick up as much material or throw it as far, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.079 but it resulted in Vatern and oh Land. M H. 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.320 I couldn't find much information about the myth on Google, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.320 but I did run into another myth about a Swedish 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.960 giant throwing things. The giant Vista had been visiting the 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.400 region between the two largest lakes to attend a party 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.000 and was on his way home. He picked up a 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.559 piece of the land and threw it in Vatern to 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.480 have a patch of land to step on before he 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.920 continued his journey. This created the Lake Lens Young or 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:10.440 the land Lake, and the island of Visingso, situated in 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.040 Sodern Thanks for making my day several days a week. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.720 Keep it up. Still looking forward to those episodes about 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.520 the moons of the Solar Systems outer planets. Oh yeah, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:22.960 we did say we would do this. I think I 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.680 always fear that maybe there's less to say about them, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:30.320 but surely that's not true. M Yeah. Or and if 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.680 we have to cobble them together, cover more than one's 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.880 one plan. I mean, the way we do approach them 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.480 in the past two is we we discussed a lot 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.480 of the mythology, the Greek and Roman mythology that it 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.800 might be tied up in the naming. Uh So, yeah, 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.000 there's plenty to discuss. We just need to getting a 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:54.240 spacey mood, all right. This next one comes to us 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.720 from Joe the Listener. Uh. Joe the Listener says, hey, guys, 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.200 thanks for the funds. He is I'm throwing animals. When 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.240 you talked about the mere cats throwing centipedes, I was 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:09.800 instantly reminded of my family's backyard at chickens. Our chickens 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.240 surprized the tender morsel that is a common garden snail. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.240 When they acquire one, a tremendous flurry of activity ensues 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.560 as they wrestle one another for the delicious treat. One 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.520 critical aspect of this excitement is extracting the snail from 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.960 its shell. Typically, the chickens will do this by grabbing 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.680 the unfortunate mollusk by its head and whacking it against 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.360 the ground until the shell breaks. They can and do 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.600 throw the snails. The jury is still out on whether 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.160 this is intentional or not, but the throws seem to 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.200 be preferentially targeted at tree trunks in large rocks, leading 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.000 credence to my hypothesis that they are being thoughtful about it. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.640 I did a bit of research and this behavior is 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.280 not uncommonly observed in birds. Song thrushes in particular, are 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.880 known for smashing snails on rocks. The literary reference to 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.640 the thrush knocking at Smog's door is unmis stakable and 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:05.000 no doubt of special interest to you both. Yeah, oh, okay, 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.040 this is interesting. This is kind of like what I 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.840 used to observe my dog doing, throwing the puzzle, you know, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.960 treat containing toy up against the wall, or just kind 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.880 of tossing it in general to see if you can 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.840 get the thing out from the middle. Ah, you should 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.600 have brought that up. We were talking about air bud. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.880 I did we talked about it? You do we talked 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.160 about this? Yeah? No, no, I don't, okay blank that 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.480 we recorded this just the other day. I know, you 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.120 know sometimes that you know, I'm I'm I'm looking ahead 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.120 in the notes. I must have blanked on that. That's okay, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.800 I know how that it feels. Yeah, I mean, it 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:42.280 wasn't a ball, it wasn't quite basketball, but that's still okay. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.840 Um that now the and that you know, I also 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.560 am blanking on this particular part of the hobbit. I 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:52.840 don't remember the thrush knocking at smocks door. I don't either, Actually, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.000 what what? Okay? So I'm just gonna google it. Okay, 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.200 I'd totally forgotten about this plot detail, but a quick 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.960 Google search suggests that the thrush is significant in the 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.480 Hobbit in helping the party, like Bilbo and the and 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.800 the dwarves, find the entrance or find out how to 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.840 open the entrance to the What's it? The Misty mountain 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:18.760 Ers are lonely mountain a small cavern because the thrush 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.840 is throwing a snail against the door of the cavern 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:23.760 to try to break it. I guess and get the 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.240 snail out. But this gives them some kind of indication 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.399 of how the door works. Okay, al right, that does 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.520 sound faintly familiar. Now, sorry to disappoint you, listener, Joe, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.600 I'm sure you expected us to get that reference right away. 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.399 Let's see. Should we finish off with a couple of 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:48.080 messages about weird house cinema? Well, I'll do this one 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:52.560 from Pamela. Pamela says, Hi, Joe and Robert. Even though 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.000 it was over forty years ago, I absolutely remember the 0:17:56.040 --> 0:18:01.159 advanced promos for Scanners because they told nothing about the movie. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.760 It was a commercial that mostly showed an audience viewing 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.639 the movie with tiny clips and the ten seconds and 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.280 you feel the pain voice over. The audience reaction was 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.280 dramatic and profound, to say the least. And Pamela says, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.240 A group of my teen friends and I had to 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.520 see this, uh the second it hit down, and we 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:26.080 did Holly, a bunch of let's see dollar signs, ampersand 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.400 even I think a euro sign in there. So this 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.920 is this is European swearing, Uh, money's worth and bragging 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.840 rights and spoiler rights. Hey, we were teenagers. The theater 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.160 shouldn't have even led us in. Technically, I have attached 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.760 a link to the TV spot that worked so well 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.119 on us. Maybe we can play a little bit of 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.880 the audio of this TV spot here. Yeah, let's play 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.800 a little bit at least from the beginning where you 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.400 where they established the audience. You are watching the live 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.080 filming of the theater audience reaction to scenes from the 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:02.440 motion picture scanners. Ten seconds the pain begins its gree 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:12.360 seconds you can't twenty seconds you explode, experience the terrifying 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:16.959 power of anyway, Pamela says, love everything you guys do 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.920 looking forward to Weird House number one d Pamela, this 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.440 is a great spot because it's kind of like William Castle, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.639 except without tazing the audience. It's just letting the movie 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.159 actually do what William Castle was always suggesting it would do, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.960 you know, have people like screaming in the aisles and 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.000 nearly vomiting in the in their seats. This trailer does 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.120 a great job of, first of all, implying that this 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.560 is a spectacle that you need to behold, and you 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.080 need to view it communally. You need to be a 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.119 part of the movie going uh public in order to 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.320 fully appreciate this, which is sound. That's as a sound 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.480 argument I think for going to the movies in general. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.600 But then it's kind of implies that your head might 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.000 blow up on watching the film too, Like they don't 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.200 tell you that's not going to happen, and they kind 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.480 of imply that it will, and that we don't get 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.040 enough of today and trail looks like nobody's saying if 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.600 you set and watch all of Avatar too, your skin 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.000 will turn blue. Like the Voice of God isn't telling 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.119 us that, and they're not. They're not daring us to 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.639 enter the theater anymore. Yeah, it's really a shame. I 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.240 I do like the brand of movie marketing that explicitly 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.760 says this film will harm you. And certainly movies today 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.120 still have vast potential to harm. So there's a lot 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.000 to warn about. All right, here's one more that SI 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:43.760 comes to us from Eric via our discord. Eric says, 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.920 so I recently watched The Werewolf versus the Vampire Woman. 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.359 It was enjoyable enough, but the standout was the lead. 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.159 He was absolutely great. I looked him up and found 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.040 out it was Paul Nashi, who I had never heard 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.920 of anyway, It's fast forward to today and continuing my 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:03.680 catchup of the cast by the podcast by listening to 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.240 the Weird House Cinema episode of Horror Rises from the Tomb. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.040 I was delighted to hear this man has a dozen 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.000 other werewolf movies under his belt. Definitely looking to add 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.480 more of his films to my watch list, not to 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.399 mention Horror Rizes and also Assignment Terror. Still need to 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.600 listen to this episode, Eric, I gotta say I was 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.520 surprised by this message because I did not expect we 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.720 would get pre existing Paul Nashy fans coming in on 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.320 our episodes. Yeah. I mean, we're trying to spread the 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.159 gospel of Paul Nashy. Uh, but I mean he does, 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.560 he does have, he already has a following. But it 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.040 was nice to hear from someone who had encountered him, uh, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.240 you know, in the wild as it were. And I 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.879 also agree with Eric, it is inherently comforting to know 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:49.840 that the strategic reserves of Paul Nashy films is well stocked. Um, 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.160 you know, there's there's so much out there to explore. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.040 It's nice on one level, you know, you want to 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.880 watch all the movies you want to watch, especially though 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.160 you know older films. Having a blog of films that 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.639 you won't have time to watch all of them. I 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.480 mean that can be that can get you down, I guess, 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.640 but also it's nice to know that you have all 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.240 that untapped potential. So um, as far as Weird House goes, 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.320 it's it's too soon to start thinking about the next 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.240 Paul Nashy movie, but I will say one. I'm very 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:21.040 interested in his nine Hunchback of the Morgue, in which 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.200 you guessed at Paul Nashi plays a hunchback who works 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.639 in a morgue. Is he also a werewolf? No? I 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.320 don't think he's a werewolf from this one. He's just 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.200 a hunchback who falls in love with a dying woman. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:36.160 Look at my range. All right, We're gonna go ahead 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.480 and close the mail bag then for another day, but 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.680 we'll be back next week. We have messages we didn't 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:42.800 even get to in this one, and I'm sure more 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:44.960 will come in so so keep it coming. If you 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:49.400 have thoughts on past episodes, current episodes, potential future episodes 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:51.840 of stuff to blow your mind of Weird House Cinema 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.680 of other listener male episodes of Artifact or Monster Fact 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.560 episodes right in We would love to hear from you. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:22:59.920 In the meantime, we'll just remind you, yeah, it was 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.359 your mail comes out every Monday. Core episodes of Stuff 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.680