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Speaker 1: George Hunts, Delta Force pipe hitter and software Brighter. Our

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Speaker 1: guest today is Gregg Cocker, Better on of the one

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Speaker 1: and sixty Special Operations and Bastion Surragement also known as

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Speaker 1: the Night Stalkers and all around bad us. Welcome, correct,

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Speaker 1: thank you, it's a beer with you guys. Could you

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Speaker 1: please keep us a brief background of your sandys. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right. I enlisted in the Army and I was

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Speaker 1: always hanging around flight operations in air fields. And at

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Speaker 1: After about three years I got selected, went to Fort Rucker.

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Speaker 1: My first assignment out of Rutger was flying age Horn

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Speaker 1: They didn't exist well good stuff. And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: So I wish I could find that guy today. It's

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Speaker 1: I was told later that I didn't meet the standards

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Speaker 1: Do you have a particular configuration that that you like

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Speaker 1: it is true that uh an Age six can take

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Speaker 1: dude sitting on the plank. So, Craig, did you pick

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Speaker 1: does the regiment and signed new pilots according to his needs.

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Speaker 1: I told him I'd go fly hot air balloons if

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Speaker 1: We we lovingly refer to them as skirts. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: then I can I can add that to content from

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00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: him and maybe I can put together into a decent

427
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: story for the software breads. Yeah, and that's that's ironic

428
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: because I'm I don't know if I told you or Stravos,

429
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: but I'm in I'm in the middle of writing that

430
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: story right now. I just some other stuff. But I

431
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: tell you, man, I and I think about it every day.

432
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: It was just it was just by the grace of

433
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: God that we that we made it through that thing.

434
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: And just yeah, it's another DA's office, another day for

435
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: a six gun. Our team we're Team four. But I'm

436
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: gonna explain all that in another story. But and we

437
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: had four teams of two ages operating. We were lovingly

438
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: referred to as Team Jackass. We were and it was

439
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: and again it was like every major gun fight with

440
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, the Rangers Delta. We were just we just

441
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: happened to be there, or you know, it was our

442
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: turn to get into the pipe and we were there.

443
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: So actually we were planning the Jessica Lynch rescue with

444
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: two seven five. Two seven five had been given the

445
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: original mission, and man, we were you know in four

446
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: two seven five. They've been kind of the bastard kids

447
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: for several years and we of course they had several

448
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: friends at two seven five, and I was like, all right, man,

449
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna get in a fight and this is gonna

450
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: be a big one for them. Long story short, we

451
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: got pulled off and we got sent up to Hadifa.

452
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: They says, hey, Greg, you and you and Mike and

453
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: the guys, we want you to go up there support

454
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: three seven five. And we're like, well okay, So we

455
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: loaded up in the C seventeen. They flew us up

456
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: there and actually somebody told us. It was the first

457
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: combat offload on the C sevent team up. Each one

458
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: is where it was and that's about, I don't know,

459
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: twenty miles west of Hadifa Dam. So the the operation

460
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: was three seven five conduction airfield seizure, airborne jump combat

461
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: jump into Hotel. One's an old airfield out there's an

462
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: old on and gas pump site. So they conducted the

463
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: airborne salt security Airfield. We landed with our two ages.

464
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: We got there to the brief Colonel Bailey was a

465
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: time commander at the time. He had broken his back

466
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: on the jump, so he they briefed us up and says, hey,

467
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: we're going to deef the damn. It's it's the highest

468
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: regarded structure in the country because one size and I

469
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: had never sized it up until now, but I guarantee

470
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: that that thing was at least a mile wide, this

471
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: dam and it was big hydro electric, you know, big,

472
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: big giant lake to the north of it. But anyway,

473
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: our mission was to seize season hold the damn and

474
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: we would get relieved the next day by this armory

475
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: unit coming through because they wanted to keep that damn safe.

476
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: They didn't want anybody to you know, blow it or

477
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: disrupt anything that was that was there to blow that

478
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: damn with that floodbag Dad. The town of Haditha was

479
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: just a few clicks to the south of it. I

480
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: think that's where the Tigris River starts. At that damn,

481
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: you got the Euphrates and the Tigris. I can't remember anyway.

482
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: So a huge strategic strategic target for this war for Iraq,

483
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: and the weather was just ship man it was overcast,

484
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: low ceilings, so they couldn't get any fixed wing closer

485
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: support in there. It was our two ages. So the

486
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: Rangers they they had some Delta guys with us, some

487
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: heavy breachers and then they're they're snipers, the wrecky guys

488
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: to go and you know, go through the dam and

489
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: gain any intel or whatever. I never will forget asked

490
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: two our intel guy briefers, you know, we asked about

491
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: enemy force. An enemy said, oh, it's minimum, you know,

492
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: a few guys at best. We're like, okay, we're under that.

493
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: The Rangers took a far pen for us with rockets

494
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: and gas and bullets, so col we needed it close

495
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: and it was it was relatively close. This human turnaround. God,

496
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: I never will forget oh oh, Mo. He was the

497
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: fire support n c O for a third back. We

498
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: got ready to take off there there on the damn

499
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: and light resistance, and then all of a sudden, every

500
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: time Mo would key the mic, I could hear gunfire,

501
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: and every time he would kill it would get more intense.

502
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: And you know, incoming gunfire, out going gun fire. I mean,

503
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: we could hear RPGs, we could hear having machine guns.

504
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: And at this point Moe was screaming over the radio

505
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: trying to get in touch with his fire support. The

506
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: A ages well crap, man, I couldn't talk to him,

507
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 1: and I finally, I finally, just I went up on

508
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: the SAT freak and I cleared all the nets because

509
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: I you know, we worked with each other for years

510
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: and years and years. You know a guy by his

511
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: voice and kind of know his you know, his current temperament.

512
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: And man, Mo was just I mean the hair stood

513
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: up on both of our necks, and we're like, gosh,

514
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: we got to get there, so I can remember. We turned.

515
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: We went north of the lake to come in north

516
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: to south because moves BP they're blocking position was on

517
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: the west end of the dam and they had another

518
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: BP on the east of the side of the dam

519
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: and they're about I don't know, hundred and eight or

520
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: Hunterton Rangers there and then a Delta guys. I finally

521
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: got a hold of Mo and I looked at Mike.

522
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: I was just very angry at the time, and I says,

523
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, I said, a man on the moon can

524
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: talk to fucking Houston, Texas, and I can't talk, you know,

525
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: four miles from my fire support guy. But anyway, we

526
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: knew where they were, and we came over this leg.

527
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we were hauling the mail. We were We

528
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: pulled the guts out of those helicopters get there because

529
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: our buddies were about to get over run. We come

530
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: up old damn and bumped. I'm gonna tell you something,

531
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this before in my life,

532
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: and I hope I never do. But it was literally

533
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Tracer's filled the skies on the south side of that damn.

534
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: I looked at Mike and he looked at me. We're like,

535
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: oh man, we're fucked. I saw mos strobes, you know,

536
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: all the there was like I think seven or eight

537
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: of them in that VP, and everyone on we're firing

538
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: just as fast as they could and I looked just

539
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: beyond them, and there was probably a company sized element

540
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: maneuvering on their blocking position, and there were dudes running everywhere.

541
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: Then we find out later it was it was Iraqi

542
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: Regimental of Republican Guards Fettyan guns. Yeah. They they said

543
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: there was between three and four thousand enemy forces there,

544
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: but they had been told that the Americans were coming

545
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: to blow the damn up, so they were, you know,

546
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: they didn't want to lose their They had a big

547
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: base there and HADIFU, and so they didn't want to

548
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: lose the town, that you know. And they didn't know

549
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: we were coming there to save the damn, so they

550
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: were they were attacking to save the damn. Saved their

551
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: people down the stream. So we bumped up. I saw

552
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: Mo and and we shot MO. Told us this. We

553
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: shot twelve meters in front of those guys. That's how

554
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: close the enemy was. Just we mowed them down like

555
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: bowling pins man and broke right. Came back around and

556
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: young ranger on the east BP he was he was

557
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: making a call for fire. He was in distress or

558
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: like hold on, brother wore. I said, I got your location, man,

559
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: Just just mark the target, Just mark the target. Because

560
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: under stress. You know, we're all taught that standard call

561
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: for fire and he was like, hey you this is

562
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: me fire missions. I was like, just mark the target.

563
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Bless his heart, you know, I know you're praying. And again,

564
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, we engaged at least a company size element,

565
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: probably in front of his position, and then the fight

566
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: was on. Man. We we made I think it was

567
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: we shot eleven loads that night, both ages, and we

568
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: got four thousand rounds of many and then fourteen rockets.

569
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: Well you can do the math. I mean it was

570
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: it was a plus. Whoever is not flying in the

571
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: a h you've got your M four up and engaged

572
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: in targets of opportunity with their M four and I swear,

573
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: George the both tim bubbles were full of five five

574
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: six brass and and we would drop hagarnaides on guys.

575
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: We started doing that. That's another story, but yeah, I've

576
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: bet that a lot of thrown hanggarnaids off a little

577
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: bird man. Yeah, we started doing that in Afghanistan. Yeah,

578
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: we burned up the We burned up our little fark

579
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: that the rangers had set out. It was I think

580
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: three or four loads. We had a gal also, but

581
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: we used it up. I don't know how fast man,

582
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: but it was just gun run after gun run, plus

583
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: their wires. Just pull that damn up on Google or

584
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: just there's pictures of it. I got it, Yeah, I've

585
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: got it up. And also chief for you. Um that's

586
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: the Euphrates river there and then rounds. Yeah yeah, just

587
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: lunch plus all the plus all the five five six

588
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: and and hang Garnaides that we threw out shot. That's

589
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: my kin bubble. When we landed that night, my chin

590
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: bubble was full of five five six brass bubble. The

591
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: chin bubble, that's where the it's down low inside the

592
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: aircraft where the puddles are, and it's okay, okay, yeah, yea.

593
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: So the brass just you know, it just deflects inside

594
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: the aircraft. And actually I shot. I was in the

595
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: left seat and I shot one one time. And I

596
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: couldn't have done this about it. Tried it a million times.

597
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: But the piece of brass, the piece of brass hit

598
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: the center console and it ricky shade and it hit

599
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: Mike in the throat and it went down his inside

600
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: his body armor and his he starts streaming and I'm like,

601
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, are you hit are you hitting He

602
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: goes no, no, he says, a piece of brass, And

603
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I can see that

604
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: in my mind's eye. Man, oh lord. It was wasn't

605
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: too funny at the time, but way and it I

606
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: know it burned the heck out of him. And I'm

607
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna interrupt. I'm gonna make sure I get this visual

608
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: correct because I know what I know about a pilots.

609
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: So you guys are flying gun runs and one of

610
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: one or the other of you, I don't know, maybe

611
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: both of you, let me know, are hanging outside the

612
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: hilo shooting and in before carving at at at toads

613
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: running around on the ground. Is that correct, that's correct,

614
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: that's not Yeah, you've got your own four up ready

615
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: to engage. Plus you're you're doing your cockpit duties, you know,

616
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: helping the guy flying with wires or finding the target.

617
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, we found it very very effective Afghanistan. You know,

618
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: use it, use our rifles to engage targets that are

619
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: off set where the guy flying he's focused on, you know,

620
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: shooting the target that he's supposed to and uh, yeah,

621
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: it's it's just very effective. And I personally have known

622
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: that you guys are not just uh, pencil whipping carrying

623
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: weapon inside your cockpit. You know. It was like like

624
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: a weapon to check, you know, helmet check. Now I've

625
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: been on the pods. It was again. It was in

626
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: Africa in n you know, gunning off the pods and

627
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: running dry on my primary and I had the pilot stop,

628
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: hand your magazine. Well that's what he did. He stuck

629
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: in a magazine out out the door. And I looked

630
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: up at him. This guy's got a he's got an inflot,

631
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: doesn't have an MP five, he's got a badass in four.

632
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: So I took his magazine and that guy proceeded to

633
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: hand me seven more magazines, and I said, this guy's

634
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: got an arsenal up front. You know, he means business.

635
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: So again, yeah, I would always carry ten magazines. I

636
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: would have probably were in a basic load man, yeah

637
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: height on my yeah, my basic, but won a gun

638
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: and one in a pocket somewhere. That was the biggest

639
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: battle of the Iraqi War, was the deeper damn and

640
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: at lasted. We wound up being there for seven days. Yeah,

641
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: we were like, where's that armored unit that's SUPs have

642
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: been here three days ago classic did the covering of

643
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: magazines became a national p after the bad Black cockdown incident.

644
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: So pilots covering that high amount of person I love doubt.

645
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that that's a real good points strabo. So it

646
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: was back then in ninety three they most of the

647
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: crews carried MP fives. After the battle MUGDISHU and the

648
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 1: a RS and the debriefs, they went back to Cairn

649
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: M four's one. The MP five didn't offer the range

650
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: that you know, we needed to have, and it was

651
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: just it was a better weapons system for our for

652
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: our operations. That that's a submachine gun, it's not an

653
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: assault rifle. No. Well, nerd thinking was that, you know,

654
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: if an aircraft went down, it would be in an

655
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: urban area in close quarters. So I think they thought

656
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: the MP five would be a better weapon since them.

657
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: But after MODISHU they found different. So yeah, and those pilots,

658
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean they did their share of hanging out the

659
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: doors and shooting their MP five's. Man, absolutely, they sure

660
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: did de laid it down. Bro. Yeah, it's I mean,

661
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: it's a lotty dotty everybody man when when they're a

662
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: gun fight. So yeah, pilots are guilty. Of no pretense

663
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: in combat the night startners that, no, no, they're they're

664
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: fighters man them. Well, most of us in B company.

665
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: It was kind of interesting. We all came from combat

666
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: arms is and listened. I mean we had rangers, we

667
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: had adult guys, s F guys, and fftry guys. So yeah,

668
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: it was it was just kind of a natural draw

669
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: for those for us knuckle dragon killers to go fly

670
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: A eight. And you were also so done in Iraq?

671
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: Correct yesterday? Yeah, nineteen March two thousand four. Would you

672
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: mind telling us about the incident? Yes? Lord, that was

673
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: again that it was another day at the office, so

674
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: to Steve. But yeah, we had we'd been extremely busy,

675
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: oh three oh four, and there was Feluja Ramadi and

676
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: then Amarria, which is south of Felusia, and it was

677
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: we call it kind of the Devil's Triangle simply because

678
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: there have been I believe it has been seven helicopters

679
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: shot down in that triangle, so I mean Schnooks and

680
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: fifty eight and black Hawks, and it was just a bad,

681
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: bad place. We've been in Flujia hitting targets and of

682
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: course we got intown offa one that led to another

683
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: that led to another and then on the night of

684
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: eight we were with beast Water, they got intel that

685
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: a high value target we were looking forward was going

686
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: to be there at ten o'clock that next morning, and

687
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: we were just well, just kind of sunk. We're like,

688
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: oh God, daytime. No, you know, bad things happened to

689
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: night stalkers during the day. Quite frankly up to this point,

690
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole task force, we've been extremely successful

691
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: from oh one up until now. You know, I think

692
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: some of I thought, you know, we were the immortals,

693
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, after Adita Damn and some the other large

694
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: battles that we've been in and crap, we'd come out

695
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: unscathed and most of the guys. We lost a few guys,

696
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: but not many. So we came back, came off that

697
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: target curtain. Major says, hey, we had a little what

698
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: are east of Felusia just says, hey, you guys go

699
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: hang out there, crank up, get up on the radio,

700
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: and if we need you, we'll call you. We're like, okay,

701
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: because Marchau four man, Felusia was wild wild West. Yeah,

702
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: so we crank set there, those guys hit the target.

703
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: They got the guy off brought him back. Well, there's

704
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: another high value target. We're looking forward down by a Maria.

705
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: So they said, all right, we're just we're gonna drive

706
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: down there and go kill that guy and then we're

707
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: gonna go back back. Day said I want you guys

708
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: to go back to Baghdad there, buy off, you know,

709
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: get some rest recock. We're like, yet ruger that. So

710
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: they went they headed south. They drove down and they

711
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: had five vehicles. They had three gun trucks and two panders.

712
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: So we got back and I think I was in

713
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: the talk at or just walked in or something, and

714
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: they said, hey, those guys were in trouble. They called

715
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: a tech troops in contact. So we hauled ass, jumped

716
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: in the aircraft, flew back. There was only I don't

717
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: know about an eight or ten minute flight, and got

718
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: on station and I can remember seeing the vehicles were

719
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: all lined up. We're getting ready to Xville. And commander

720
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: came up on the net and says, hey, fill in

721
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: one minute. And then I had had flown down real

722
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: low to the guys, probably I don't know, eight or

723
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: ten ft like we always do, and just you know,

724
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: kind of give the international waves signed to him and

725
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: looking at it looks like a middle finger. Yeah, that's

726
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: comfortable to the guys on the ground. Yeah. And and

727
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean from like the whole flight. Hair just it

728
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: was just standing up on the back of my neck.

729
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: And and he guy was he was my co pilot.

730
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: He was a brand new guy. And I told him

731
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: my thing, bro, I said, you get that rifle up

732
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: and you see anything, you smack it. He's like, Roger,

733
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: I've done a swoop down on the guys. And I

734
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: was climbing right hand, turned about I don't know about

735
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: a hundred sixty sixty five. I was headed kind of southwest. Man.

736
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: I heard this giant explosion and this fireball right by

737
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: my face. The aircraft kind of shuddered, and then it

738
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: got real quiet. I was like, yeah, so I never

739
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: will forget talking to again. My old buddy, Jim Hosey,

740
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: he was there in country at the time. When I

741
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: got back. He says, yeah, he said, I think the

742
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: best saying of any deployment ever ever said was by

743
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: you when you said, you know you're fucked when you

744
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: get past by your own fireball. Oh man. Yeah. So

745
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: I entered out on rotation and then I'm an instructor pilot.

746
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: So thank god, I've done many, many and I can

747
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: remember in the physiological part of the body and then

748
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: your brain, and but every nano second was like frame

749
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: by frame is the best way I can explain it.

750
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: That that's it's like looking at a negative. George, you're

751
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: a photographer, you know you see picture by picture, and

752
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: that's that's what my brain was doing at that point

753
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: in time, as like thought back and look back, and

754
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: I understand, you know what happens physiologically to our bodies

755
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: under stress and different heart race. And man, I guarantee

756
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: I was. I was way up there. But my I said,

757
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, I just I gotta get this helicopter, please

758
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: stay together because I didn't know what it hit us.

759
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: Something wound up being in Essay sixteen. That's a shoulder fire.

760
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: It's very technologically advanced weapons system for that part of

761
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: the country. And they didn't even know they had Essay

762
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: sixteens in country. But anyway, it worked as advertising that

763
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: you know that big sky a little bullet theory, Well

764
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: it's bullshit. I can again. It was daytime is about

765
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: thirts local. But I remember check and the rotor to

766
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: the rotors very critical and not a rotation. You don't

767
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: want it to get too high because it could spin

768
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: off the aircraft. And I'm thinking about keeping aircraft and trim,

769
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: and it's just it's flat dirt, you know, desert out there,

770
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: so it's very difficult to judge distance above the ground,

771
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, or long range distance. So I was relying

772
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: solely on my radar altimeter, and I kept scanning it

773
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: and the rotor and just all kinds of things, and

774
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, I wish the engine out audio would

775
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: stop blaring at me, because I know the engines out

776
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: and this extra input. I was kind of busy. I

777
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: continue mouto rotation. I d sailed at about sixty and

778
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: it was a very aggressive deceleration because I wanted to

779
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: minimize my ground run. I wanted to bleed that air

780
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: speed off. And then that at about twenty feet, I

781
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: leveled the aircraft and I just pulled the collective. I

782
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: pulled it's called cushion. I just pulled everything I had left.

783
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: I remember checking the rotor. It was good, I was

784
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: my trim was good. I was heading in a straight line.

785
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: And there's just a lot of things that you got

786
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: to do correctly. To land that aircraft safely. I touched

787
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: down and it was funny. Later P Guy and I

788
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: were talking about it, and in our heads we were

789
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: high fiving each other because he was like, dude, I

790
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: didn't even feel the touchdown. Really yeah, my wing man says, man,

791
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: it was the prettiest auto he had ever seen. I said, well,

792
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: I like Neil Armstrong, I only had to do it once. Yeah,

793
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: he had one shot landed limb on the moon, you know.

794
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: So we touched down and I was like, holy cow man, Okay,

795
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: this is not too bad. Well, oh, Mr Murphy, everybody's

796
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: familiar with him, so he's slid. Just the cockpit just

797
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: filled with that dirt and dust and stuff, and you

798
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: couldn't see and and I The last thing I remember was,

799
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: of course, something old cowboy and used to ride. You know,

800
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: you used to buck out horses and train them and stuff,

801
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: and they go, you know when they bucked, they go

802
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: to their front feet. Well you gotta set way, you

803
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: know how you set way back? Yeah, going forward? Well

804
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: I remember doing that. But the helicopter had slid, the

805
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: skids stuck in some soft dirt and that started us

806
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: our end over in tumble and I remember hearing the

807
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: rotor blades hit the ground. It was again, it's just

808
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: this is all slow motion, man. It was just it's

809
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: incredible what your brain will do. Yeah, and that's the

810
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: last thing I remember, is hearing those rotor blades just popping,

811
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, popping the ground, lapping the ground, hunt chiefs, yep,

812
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, leaning back into stirrups. That's funny. Yeah.

813
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: And I came to and again it was cockpits filled

814
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: with dirt and dust, and and I just owed my

815
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: eyes and I think I've been knocked out. I can

816
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: either confirm or deny that, because if a navigator loses consciousness,

817
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: you're grounded for two years. And story. Yeah, but I

818
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: kept thinking about I kept hearing this popping, you know,

819
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, the first thing I thought I

820
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: was crazy, but it was popcorn because it was just

821
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: pop pop pop. And then I'm like, holy crap, that's

822
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: the Ammo cooking off. You know. I had a bunch

823
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: of mini on Ammo on of course, seventeen pound rockets

824
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: and we were on fire. I mean I could smell

825
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: it and I could hear it. You know, you do

826
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: the old check, you know, wiggle your toes. Move your feet. Okay,

827
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: I can move my left leg, move my right leg.

828
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: And then I realized I'm inverted. I'm upside down. My eyes, yeah,

829
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, And I remember I moved. I tried to

830
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: move my right on my left arm. They my shoulders

831
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: have been dislocated. Yeah, but I guess i'd rolled on

832
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: the right. You know, I was in the right seat

833
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: when I was laying on the ground when it came

834
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: to rest, so I guess it popped it out. So

835
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: I I just kind of bleaked my eyes a few times,

836
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, crap the bed fred

837
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: I said a quick little prayer. I just said, God,

838
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: just you know, give me speeding accuracy and watch over

839
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: my girls. Man, because I don't make it out of this.

840
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: It's all good. I know where I'm going. So I

841
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: I my right. I looked at it because that's the

842
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: first thing, you know, again, as a soldier and a warrior,

843
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, where's my weapons? Because because my aircraft kind

844
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: of on fire right now, Well then I heard gunfire,

845
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, as my brain kind of re caged as

846
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: to what was going on around my in my environment,

847
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: I could hear the fifty I can hear two forties.

848
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: I can hear my wingman shooting many guns, and I

849
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: was like, okay. So I look over a p guy.

850
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: Of course, we're hanging there, and he's he's kind of

851
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: up in the air because we're right side low in

852
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: birded put my hand on his shoulder and I said, hey, man,

853
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: I said you okay, and he just he kept looking

854
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: straight ahead and he kind of nodded his head. But

855
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: I could see blood all over his face, and I

856
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh, crap, man. You know, I didn't know

857
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: if he'd been head or then. The next thing I

858
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: thought was the old little bird cyclic kiss they're famous for.

859
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: The shoulder harness was not locking in a crash sequence.

860
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: I can name several guys right now that don't have

861
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: any front teeth because they smacked the cyclic in that

862
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: forward momentum. And how can that be acceptable? Man? Luckily

863
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: ours worked, and so I told him, I said, look,

864
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: I said, get your rifle. I crawled out of the front.

865
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: I took my helmet off, and I in the crash sequence,

866
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: I'd hit the doorframe in my head and yeah, it

867
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: had cracked my helmet. I didn't know that. You went out. Yeah,

868
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: but later on. I remember telling the crew chiefs to

869
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: lose that helmet. They'd send it to Fort Rutger and

870
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: Fort Rucker to analyze it and say, well, guy, this

871
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: guy took a tn G shot to the head, you know,

872
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: and whatever, and so, yeah, the helmet disappeared, and that's

873
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate, man. Yeah. Yeah, back, I'd kind of like

874
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: I had it right now. But didn't you crack vertebrae

875
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: in that crash as well? Yeah? I cracked one and

876
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: C three and then two in my else spine and

877
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: uh but so I crawled out again. My brain shifted

878
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: to you know, security of the aircraft, security of my crew,

879
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: just figure out what the heck is going on. And

880
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: there was a gunfight was raging, you know. Down there

881
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: were about we're about three d west of the bill

882
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: old man of guys were just northeast of us. And

883
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, okay, So but I tried to stand

884
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: up and take a step and I'd fall down. I'd

885
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: stand up, take a step and I'd fall down. I

886
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: did that like three or four times, and I was like, crap, man, mane,

887
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: my legs broke. No, So I just sat down and

888
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: my my wing man later says, yeah, we were watching you,

889
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: and he said, well, I was fixing the land. He says,

890
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: greg that that helicopter was fully engulfed in fire. We

891
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: didn't see any movement, and I had to go do

892
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: a call for fire. So I went and gazed some

893
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: targets and I came back around. We were gonna land

894
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: and get you guys out, so we he said, I

895
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: honestly thought y'all were dead, but he was watching me,

896
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, it was kind of funny

897
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: at the time. He says, he kind of looked like

898
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: a surface clown. You know, he's up, he's down, and

899
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: he's up, he's up, he's down. Go ahead. Question, isn't

900
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: it true that, uh, despite the car it on the

901
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: ground that your wingman flew over and flipped to a bird. Yeah. Yeah,

902
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: that's that's that's nice. That's nice. Sorry, right, Yeah, they

903
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: came in and they swooped this and Jay, you know,

904
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: he gave us the American signal and I gave him

905
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: one back. That way they knew we were okay. Just

906
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: to calms check, right, Yeah, yeah, that's it, man, No

907
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: no colms, there's no combs. And so he went back

908
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: around got back in the fight. So I did three

909
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: hundred security three hundred six degree security check around the

910
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: aircraft and I was like, holy crap, man, this thing

911
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: is burning. So I thought about my rock. We all

912
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: carry our little rocks right behind the seats, and then

913
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: the rock we have our night vision goggles, water MMO

914
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: grenades cut them. Limped over to the cargo bay. There

915
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: it was just fully engulfed in fire, and I was like, man,

916
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm not reaching my hand in there, so, you know,

917
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: screw that. And then I'm like, worst pa guy. So

918
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: I crawled to the front of aircraft and I he's

919
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: just looking straight ahead again, you know. And I asked

920
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: him later, I said, what what in the world were

921
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: you doing? He goes man, I was listening to the radio.

922
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: They were talking about us, you know, ahs down, you know,

923
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: launched launch the force, grav gravies down, graves down. So

924
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, go you knucklehead. So I said,

925
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: all right, I said, get out, get out. I'm not

926
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: kidding the aircraft on fire man. Again, my focus went

927
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: to the east because all I can think of was

928
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: black Hawk down. You know, a little black helicopter shot

929
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: down right here by the bad guys and they're coming.

930
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: I spent a few seconds, you know, just kind of

931
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: watching again, and then I went I looked back and

932
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: I didn't see p I and by now the flames

933
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: were in the cockpit. So I crawled ran over there

934
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: the best as I could, and I crawled in and

935
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: I just reached up and I pulled his lax you know,

936
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: little latches on those seat belts. It was it was

937
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of funny because he just he went down, you know,

938
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: and fell down on his head, and then he kind

939
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: of looked at me, and I was like, come on,

940
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: I just grabbed him, and I mean the fire I

941
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: never will get the fire was just rolling around his arm.

942
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: It was just weird. Man. I grabbed him and I

943
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: just jerked him out of the the helicopter man out on

944
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: top of him. So we got out. We went probably

945
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: about fifty meters at the three o'clock position. Because then

946
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: I got to worry on about those seventeen panel rockets.

947
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know what. I don't

948
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: know what those things are gonna do because everything was burning,

949
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: and you know, they never did anything. They just burned up.

950
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: They didn't explode or huh no. But they didn't ignite.

951
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: Surprisingly yah. I put p guy in a prone position

952
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: night and I said, hey, man, I said, I got

953
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: his helmet off, kind of checked him, you know, like

954
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: we always do. And he had blood all over his

955
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: face and I said, hey, I said, let me let

956
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: me see your Grinner's opened his mouth like, looked at

957
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: his teeth and I said, okay, good. He didn't smack

958
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: the cyclic because that's what I thought. I said, stick

959
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: your tongue out, and he stuck his tongue out and

960
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: he had bit halfway through his tongue, and oh dude,

961
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: I said, okay. So I told him, I said, look,

962
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: you watch north and we were both shaking up. I said,

963
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch to the east. I said, if you

964
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: see something sing out, let's put kind of messed up

965
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: right now. So let's put two sets of eyes on it.

966
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it before we engaged. And he's like, okay,

967
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, I got it. So it wasn't, but I don't.

968
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how long. But I heard a vehicle

969
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: and I says, hey, I got contact my twelve. He

970
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: got kind of screwed around. So we had both guns

971
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: up and at the low ready and then I heard

972
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: I heard stop, and I looked and see ahead bobbing.

973
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: We were in a little bit of a declaid there.

974
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Now I can see. I saw his eyes and sunglass

975
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: and I saw a beard, and I was like, oh,

976
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: I know him. I said, okay, we're good lawyer weapon

977
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: and uh yeah. So Chad just he kind of stopped

978
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: and then he just took off running forwards us and

979
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: got up there to us and uh put his arms

980
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: around us, and he's like, man, I sure him happy

981
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: to see you. Guys. Said we thought you guys are dead,

982
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: and I said, no, we ain't dead. And the rest

983
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: is history. We had we had about a six hour

984
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 1: gunfight after that, and got truck stuck and got him out,

985
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: and oh lord it was. We had to drive out

986
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: of there because Combat Search and Rescues Air Force Special

987
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: House guys refused to come get us, said it was

988
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: too risky. Commander wasn't too happy about that. But he's like, hey,

989
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: well we'll take him out with us, but they're over

990
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: him with my body. So we we fought our way

991
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: out of well. We went went in the town into

992
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: the bill there because I wanted to see if we

993
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: could find any any evidence two of the guys saw

994
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: saw their shot, saw the rock in the missile shot,

995
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: and it was on the top of the two story building.

996
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: We assaulted into there, and oh, I remember this. It

997
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: was kind of cool. We were here. We are these

998
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: five vehicles online. We're just racing across the desert. I'm

999
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: in the back right seat behind some major and I

1000
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: looked out in the window and I looked right, and

1001
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: then I looked left, and I was like, oh, I

1002
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: could think I was Rap Patrol, remember that old TV ship,

1003
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: those pretty studes, the rat Patrol. Because we were, you know,

1004
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: hopping over a little bunk, just hauling ass. You know,

1005
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: all guns were going off and the gunners were engaged

1006
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: in targets and anyway, that was a short combat pause,

1007
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: I guess. And then then we got stucked. Then we

1008
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,479
Speaker 1: got out under fire, and then we made it into

1009
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: the ville, and I went with the certain major. He

1010
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: went and had some shall we say, conversations with a

1011
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: few of the people. You know who I'm talking about.

1012
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: G O absolutely too, yeah, and uh he was like,

1013
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: come on, Greg, like. So they cleared up building where

1014
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: the missile shot came from. Got up there and I

1015
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything when we got back, and then some

1016
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: more dudes started engages and Jeremy Smith, he was a

1017
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: young ranger, he was shock gutter. He started shooting up

1018
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: some camps, some buildings, and I saw some This dude

1019
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: ran out on the roof in a black man dress

1020
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: with cell phone and I was like, okay, he's calling

1021
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: his buddies. So I gaged him, and then Jeremy gaged

1022
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: the building. And then some of dudes came running out

1023
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: of a building with one carrying RPG in a a K.

1024
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: So we engage them and fought our way out of

1025
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: their fighter way through Felusia Plans to Ramadi, through Ramadi,

1026
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: and then finally through the MSS about nine o'clock that

1027
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: night when we got there going after the guys that

1028
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: shot you down described you as like the master counterpuncht er.

1029
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: We'd like to ask one last question that we feel

1030
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: to be important. We know you're a philanthropist and uh,

1031
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: we know you're giving back to the community, and we'd

1032
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: really like the listeners to hear about what you're doing,

1033
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: because we know you're not ever gonna teach your own horn,

1034
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: so we're gonna toot it for you. I'm just a man.

1035
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: Guys got a purpose for me and and I got

1036
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: real involved with working with other veterans and helping guys out,

1037
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: especially the younger guys from from the community. A lot

1038
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: of rangers, a few of the Delta guys, and uh yeah,

1039
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: it's just you know, minister to them and mentor them

1040
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: and help them through their their problems and their issues.

1041
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty involved in a couple of the better

1042
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: known nonprofits. One we got here in Young County, Texas.

1043
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,479
Speaker 1: It's Young County Warrior Ranch and we have a real

1044
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: nice facility here. We we got a building that sleeps

1045
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: about twenty guys and we do a helo hog hunt

1046
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: every here in March. Yeah, you guys can ever get

1047
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: down here, we'd love to have you. But uh, good

1048
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: good friend of mine a icon in the Range Regiment

1049
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: and Special Operations Communities Servant, Major James Pippen, and he

1050
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: lives here in Graham And but yeah, we put that

1051
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: thing on and it's just, man, it's just medicine for

1052
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: these guys we have. Generally we'll have some active duty

1053
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: rangers come in then guys from all over the country

1054
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Speaker 1: and we do another big helicopter hog hunt. And in

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Speaker 1: this Texas and February and you know again it's it's

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Speaker 1: these you know, these these younger guys come in man

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Speaker 1: and they're just they're angry and they're rumping man. After

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Speaker 1: they leave, they're they're happy, and you know, they get

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Speaker 1: to be with with guys of their own breed, and

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Speaker 1: you know they know that there's guys have been aren't

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Speaker 1: done that it was them. I'm gonna throw this in

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Speaker 1: there because, uh, because I think it's pretty important as

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Speaker 1: uh stars Stavros. The way I met Chief. You know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't meet Chief in the service, not at all.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea who it was. But I had

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Speaker 1: a pretty dark dark year in Las Vegas, and my

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Speaker 1: old daughter came and she brought me to Albuquerque and

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Speaker 1: I was just not recovering, you know, I was I

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Speaker 1: wasn't getting better and it was just getting worse. And

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Speaker 1: I got a phone call one day and it was

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Speaker 1: the man said, my name is Greg Cooker and I'm

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Speaker 1: a former nights stalker and I heard you're not doing well.

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Speaker 1: It me and some of the guys, we're gonna make

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Speaker 1: a road trip out there and come get you to

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Speaker 1: take care of you. That's how that's how I met chief,

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Speaker 1: So that's that's really nice. Yeah, that's what we do, man.

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Speaker 1: The board done. Then you know, there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: saund in the range of creeze and never shall I

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Speaker 1: leave a falling comrade. And that's that's forever, man, It's

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Speaker 1: just like the oath that we all took. That's forever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When brothers are in trouble or in need, we rally

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Speaker 1: the troops and we go get them, and they're just

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Speaker 1: they don't just say that. No, Yeah, I mean George

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Speaker 1: and I both we've we've lost some very very good

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Speaker 1: friends to suicide and you know, they lose hope and

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Speaker 1: they don't have a loving God. Yeah, they just they

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Speaker 1: go to another place. So I'm very very I'm on

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Speaker 1: a crusade, so to speak. I mean, I've been crusading

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Speaker 1: my whole life, did it in the Mid East for

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Speaker 1: eight years. Regardless of what people think or say, you know,

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Speaker 1: the crusades will continue for a long long time. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I love each and every one of them,

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Speaker 1: and you don't want them to know that. It's tough

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Speaker 1: to yes, sir, that's the point. That's a wrong. Having

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Speaker 1: yours back to take care of your own. That's God's

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Speaker 1: purpose for me and many of us out there. So Jeff,

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Speaker 1: stay in the fight. We gotta stay in the fight.

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Speaker 1: And guys preach that A lot. A lot of guys

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Speaker 1: preach that, you know, I got your back, I'm there

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Speaker 1: for you. Everybody wants to help till it's time to help.

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Speaker 1: But Chief Chief is a doer. Man, it's not She's

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Speaker 1: not a sayer, He's a doer. So thanks, oh man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, did it to you for my life?

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Speaker 1: That's for sure. Well, we'll depend on each other. Greg,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Ken him join us. Oh thank you. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thanks. I was very reluctant to right

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Speaker 1: and to start. And yeah, George, George has been a

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Speaker 1: huge proponent Kyle Lamb. Of course, my wife. I think

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Speaker 1: it's important for the next generation of warriors that come

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Speaker 1: up to hear these stories. And you know, and it's

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Speaker 1: not about me, it's about the team. It's about all

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Speaker 1: of us. We we all are successes to each other.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't have done what we've done without each other.

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Speaker 1: Because that's the message. I guess my in State and

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Speaker 1: people affiliated with the military. Yeah, that's it, on time,

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Speaker 1: on target, every times, dirty seconds thanks to Wars. Don't

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Speaker 1: even mention it. Thank you like ge cheers great all

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