1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Affney, the program 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic to the 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. Well, we're going to 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: be talking a bit about what I would argue is 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: the greatest assault on God's kingdom here on earth as 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: well as well us, as indeed is true of the 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: war pre world more generally, namely the Chinese Communist Party. 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: Later in the program will catch up with Liz Yore 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: about what the Vatican is poised to do or perhaps 11 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: not do about that reality. But first we're going to 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: talk with our friend Bill Walton, who we had the 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: privilege of speaking with about this time each week, is 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: of course the host of the Bill Walton Show. He 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: is the vice chairman of the Conservative Political Action Coalition 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: and a nicely recovering wall Street Maydan from his time 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: in an Alife Capital were always delighted to have a 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: chance to visit with, especially at a time such as 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: this when there are some big doings on a front 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: that our Committee on the Present Danger China, of which 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Bill is an important number, has been beavering away at 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: for well, I guess the entire time it's been in exist, 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: it's about six years now, namely to stop the practice 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: of having American investors, mostly WDDING, putting their retirement funds, 25 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: mutual funds, college education funds, other savings into Chinese companies, 26 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: some of whom assuredly are aiding in the betting the 27 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party in its preparations to kill Americans. I'm 28 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: not just you know, a military personnel overseas, but quite 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: possibly as well. So we're going to talk with Bill 30 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: about some recent developments in that space and. 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: See what we can do to encourage the decoupling in 32 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: the capital markets as well as Another area is probably 33 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: those that Don Trump. 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Has focused on the traits at the Bill, welcome back 35 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: to securing Americans. Great to have you with me, my 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: friends or Rank. 37 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: Great great talking with you. I hope I didn't forget 38 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: everything I learned as a master of the universe. 39 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: You just you just don't want me to know what 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: I can. Let me to stipulate. You have forgotten more 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: than I will ever know about the subject. So let's 42 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: let's start with that. But Bill, one of the things 43 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: that I have been incredibly hardened by is the rising 44 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: importance of Congressman John Molinar of Michigan. He was on 45 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: our show two weeks ago, I think now talking a 46 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: bit about the work that his Select Committee of the 47 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: House of Representatives on the Chinese Communist Party has been 48 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: doing in this space. And we've seen not one but 49 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: two letters from Connaisman Bollinar, both of which are I 50 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: think very important. Can you walk us through what he's 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: concerned about and to whom he's writing these letters. 52 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: Well, the most recent letter was from him on the 53 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: House side and Rick Scott on the Senate side, and 54 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: they sent it to sent it to Paul Atkins, who's 55 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: the new SEC chairman, who's a terrific, terrific choice for 56 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: that job, and they're calling for him or the SEC 57 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: to delist Chinese twenty five Chinese companies. 58 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: Now, if you recollect we talked about this last week. 59 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: There's some two hundred and seventy. 60 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: Five to three hundred Chinese companies listed on the exchanges. 61 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: So this is these. 62 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: Are mainly the large cap companies and the biggest defenders 63 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: in terms of their relationships with the Chinese military industrial complex. 64 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: I think you mentioned the firms he mentioned or Alibaba, 65 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: I do JDcom. And what this means is that this 66 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: is would be a significant decoupling. 67 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: And you remember we talked about this before. 68 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: In twenty thirteen, Joe Biden, when he was vice president 69 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: for Barack Obama, negotiated a sweetheart deal for the Chinese 70 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: to trade on the U exchanges where they are not 71 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: required to disclose the same information that every other company 72 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: is required to disclose, which means as a US investor, 73 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: you're not only aiding and vetting the Chinese industrial or 74 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: military industrial complex, you're also investing in something that we 75 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: don't know what the financials are. 76 00:04:53,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, that's a's a pretty good term. 77 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: They use that on Wall Street. They encourage them, They 78 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: encourage retail investors to do that all the time. Anyway, 79 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 3: it's a big issue that there's a you know, what's 80 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: at stake here, some of various estimates between a trillion 81 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: and a trillion and a half of market cap, maybe 82 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: even more than that, and by not having access to 83 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 3: the US capital markets, which are the deepest markets in 84 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: the world, it's a real blow and it's part of 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: what Trump already wants to do, which is a decoupling 86 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: from China, and you know, I think I think this 87 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: is probably going to be well received by the by 88 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: Atkins and the administration. 89 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: Well, I would hope, so, I mean, the president is 90 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: we've talked about it with you and others on the 91 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: program since it happened. In February twenty first, I think 92 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: the President issued a National Security Presidential memorandum unveiling what 93 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: he calls the America First Investment Policy, and it was 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: mostly sort of a tasking to the rest of the 95 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: government to figure out how to implement this policy. But 96 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: it certainly seems, you know, very much aligned with what 97 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Congressman Molinar's talking about here until you said something interesting. 98 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Ali Baba, when you. 99 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 5: Think about what it is, and it is this massive conglomerate, 100 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 5: but it's it's in the consumer, you know, buying. 101 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: Mility, e commerce. 102 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 6: But it speaks to this instry that. 103 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: It's not just companies that are well owned in some 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: cases are certainly closely working with the Chinese military. It's 105 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: every company in China. It's basically part of a whole 106 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: of society military civil fusion programs of the case. 107 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: Well, we've there's I don't think there's a company of 108 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: any size in China that is not somehow connected to 109 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist Party. 110 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: You can't do business. 111 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: Without them giving you the privilege of being in business. 112 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: And remember all power flows from the state, it doesn't 113 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: flow from the individuals in China, and some of them 114 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: are more important than others in terms of their impact 115 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: on the military. Ali Baba's one because it's it's really 116 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: closely tied to the Chinese military and then supports stated 117 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: that it supports the Chinese Communist Party goals, So that's 118 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: that's an easy one. And then you get a company 119 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: called pony Ai which makes autonomous vehicles, and of course 120 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: these are could also be used on the battlefield, and 121 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: in fact they are developing something like that, which would 122 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: be another security risk. 123 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: For the US. 124 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: So the short question is why do we want to 125 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: give these people any money at all? 126 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: And there is this attempt to try to. 127 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: Bring China into the global world economy, and they've become 128 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: democratic society and we all live and work together and 129 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: prosper well. 130 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: Let that that that's not going to happen, so. 131 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: You know, but one thing I want to mention is 132 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: some of people say, we always use this listing delisting 133 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: of these companies as a trading chip with the tariffs. 134 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 4: I don't think we want to. 135 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: Do that because you want if they do cave on 136 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: tariffs somewhat, we don't want them to turn around and. 137 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 4: Say, does that mean we still get to list in 138 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 4: your exchanges. 139 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 3: I think this has to stand alone as an issue, 140 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's actually quite simple to do well. 141 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: I think the only kicker is that if we've focused 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: very narrowly on the listed companies, whether it's twenty five 143 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: or two hundred and seventy or whatever, the university, it's 144 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: only part of the action traded in the capital market. 145 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: Seems to me to be another category that has to 146 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: be addressed in all of this bill. And I'll be 147 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: very interested to see what Paul Atkins does, whether he 148 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: will in fact take kindly to this idea. We Brian 149 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: Kennedy are chairman of the Committee on the President of 150 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: China and I as its vice German written Paul actually 151 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: before he became chairman, and very strongly urged him to 152 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: rip up the memorandum of understanding aside as you know 153 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: in May of twenty thirteen that engage the Chinese this 154 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: sweetheart access to our capital markets, a subject which is 155 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: of concern with respect to another letter the German bull 156 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: in Or sent to Jamie Diamond two of the takings 157 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: on law speaking, well, I'm sure we'll talk about them. 158 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 7: That's that would break we do. 159 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: We're back and we are continuing our conversation. Weekly highlighted 160 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: this program with the great Bill Walton, the host of 161 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: the Bill Walton Show, which I would very stondly commend 162 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: to you. Bill does a wonderful job of really deep 163 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: dives with people, usually a couple of many the individuals 164 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing myself in the past, not for a long time, 165 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: I might mention, but this is a really wonderful program 166 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: for illuminating complex issues, which Bill does brilliantly, as do 167 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: his guests. It's a great, great resource. And Bill on 168 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: this other letter from the Chairman of the House Select 169 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: Committee on the Chinese Communist Party of John Molinart, Michigan. 170 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: The recipients of that letter were two of your former 171 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: years in the Wall Street universe, Jamie Diamond of JP 172 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Morgan and Brian moynihan Bank of America. They came to 173 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: his attention because they've both been promoting a company that 174 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: you and I've been talking about for weeks known as 175 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: the Contemporary Amperage technologyge was limited, better known by its 176 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: acronym CATTLE. I don't know what unearth all that means, 177 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: but in any of its batteries, it's batteries for all 178 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: kinds of things, including, it seems, Chinese military submarines. So 179 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: this was one of the most incredible letters I've ever 180 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: seen come out of the Congress. It not only basically demanded, 181 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: as they said in the press release, that these guys 182 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: stopped doing this kind of fundraising for a military owned 183 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: company upbrading the United States, by the way, but also 184 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: they laid down literally of document requests. If this deal 185 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: does go forward, well, what did you make of it all? Well, 186 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: this is what do you think those guys may. 187 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think these guys are beginning to 188 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: realize that the federal government's serious about how we do 189 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 3: business with China, if we. 190 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: Do business with it at all. 191 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: And you know, Jamie Diamond has said, oh, I'm a patriot, 192 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: but you know, government has got to tell me what 193 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: to do and what not to do. Otherwise I'll just 194 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: proceed to do my business. And what doing their business 195 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: is raising money for Chinese battery companies, and you know 196 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: they're doing that. 197 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: And Bank of America, and I think there are a couple. 198 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: Others in there that aren't running the books, Goldman Sachs 199 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: and one other maybe we're in Stanley. Yeah, And and 200 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: that's you know, that's the big issue right now for 201 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: multinational companies headquartered in the United States. 202 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 4: So they are they on our if we end up 203 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: in a tougher kinetic conflict with China? And who who 204 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 4: are who are they supporting? 205 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: And it's not as I would you know, we'd all 206 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: like it to be straightforward. But when you look at 207 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: the shareholders of these of these big multinationals that there 208 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: are probably a lot of them that are not United 209 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: States citizens. And if you look at where their businesses are, 210 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: you know, some of them are over half of their 211 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: businesses outside the US. And so what the Trump administration 212 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 3: has to do is set set some clear guidelines for 213 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: what the big financial companies and other type companies can 214 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: do to support, you know, our larger security goals. 215 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: And that that hasn't happened. 216 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,119 Speaker 3: And I'm also a little surprised that Scott besn't. 217 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 4: Has it weighed in on this, Uh, this offering. 218 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 3: It seems like it should also fall into his portfolio, 219 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: and you know we'll see. 220 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: Well, he's business bills. I think we've discussed on occasion. 221 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: There's not been more aid of the President's America First 222 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: Investment Policy. The best my knowledge, Veston has spoken to 223 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: the issue twice in response to questions from our friend 224 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business, and I think he pretty 225 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: much affirmed what the plan is, what the policy direction is. 226 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: But you're right at sure would be helpful. 227 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: If he were to step up the details not cattle, 228 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: not cattle, the details, the details, the details. They haven't 229 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: flushed any of this out. There's an intention, but not 230 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: a reality so far. 231 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: So far, we need to see it actualized. But Bill, 232 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: come back to your point about Jamie Diamond. I think 233 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: his exact quote from the call correctly with Maria Barbaroma 234 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: was as long as it's not illegal, I'm going to 235 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: continue to do business with China. You made the larger point, 236 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: which you'd think would suffice that whether it's strictly speaking 237 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: legal or not legal, if it's contrary to the policy 238 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: of the United States going on as laid out in 239 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: that America First Investment Policy, a nums that should suffice, 240 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't it isn't that sufficient to say don't do this, 241 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: this is not consistent with interest. 242 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: Well, you've said they're wren companies similar to mine. They've 243 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: ran companies that were far bigger. And the issue, of 244 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: course is that those far bigger companies are tightly. 245 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: Closed in part of the globalist region. Globalist I don't 246 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: know what the word for it is operation Global Governance. 247 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: And they're in Davos, and they're very deeply connected with 248 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: a lot of people who hate what Trump was doing. 249 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: And I believe they are just seeing if he will 250 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: end up failing and they won't have to do any 251 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: of this, and so they're going to I think they're 252 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: going to try to weight him out. 253 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: That worked pretty well in the first term. 254 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to work in the second term, 255 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: because he's come back serious and on fire to make 256 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: these things happen. 257 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 4: So I would expect sometime. 258 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: In the next uh, you know, the next three four 259 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: months that will come up with something more precise about 260 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: how the big US banks ought to behave with this 261 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: in this type situation. 262 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: Well, you from relogs to God's ers as but Bill, 263 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting you mentioned the contrast between the 264 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: first and second administration. One of the concerns that we 265 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: had back in that earlier year was the presence of 266 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: Steve Minutia. The role that he played, running in appearance 267 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: endlessly is the Secretary of the Treasury for these Wall 268 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: Street gods versus who seems to be, you know, more 269 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: willing to lay down the law with them. 270 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: I just think they've got so many things. You've you've 271 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: broke up a little bit of my end. But if 272 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: the question is why isn't the Trump ad minutest doing 273 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: more on this, I think it's that they're doing one 274 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two hundred things all at once, and 275 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: you know, it's hard to make everything a top priority. 276 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: Even though this, you know, this should be near the 277 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: top of the list, I don't. I just don't think 278 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 3: they've focused on it yet. And right now I think 279 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: they're entirely focused on these tariff negotiations, and they're also 280 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: focused on the big beautiful bill to preserve the tax 281 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 3: tax rates that we had before, and also to add 282 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 3: some things like no taxes on tips and overtime and 283 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 3: social security, which would be very politically popular. I think 284 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 3: it's just you know, in terms of the to do list, 285 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 3: we got to work our way up that list. I 286 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 3: think it will happen, but just now, right now. 287 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: Bill, you know, just to put a fine point on 288 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: it with these guys on Wall Street. As you know, 289 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: our Committee on the President Danger of China provided the 290 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: grist for the mill for this book called the Indictment 291 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: Prosecuted the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for crimes against America, China, 292 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: in the World, the object of which was to to 293 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: basically say, look the role being played by some of 294 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: these former colleagues of years on Wall Street as an example. 295 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: They're not the only ones, obviously, there are lots of 296 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: people who have similarly, you know, embraced the idea of 297 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: make China rich and it will be better behaved. But 298 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: they've also, it seems, been embraced by the Chinese Communist 299 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: Party's UH efforts to suborn them manipulate their own controlment. 300 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: Old friends is the term for it in the Chinese 301 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: UH lexicon. Our our thesis of this bill is that 302 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: we need to hold these guys accountable. We need to 303 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: make sure that their customers and other Americans understand what 304 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: they're doing. That that ANSI is actual in country to 305 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: the interests of the United States. And this isn't something 306 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: we can safely wait out in my estimation. 307 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: Your thoughts of it, well, it's not something I think 308 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: The waiting out part is that it's extremely difficult for 309 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: these big companies to just pick up their marbles and leave. 310 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: You take any example of something like Apple, which is 311 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: making most of its iPhones in China and partly in India. 312 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: You know that moving back to the United States is 313 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: just as impossible right now. We don't have a. 314 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: Skill set to even begin doing that. So they've you know, 315 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: it's not going that kind of thing can't happen overnight. 316 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: And with regard to the financial conglomerates, they've also gotten massive, 317 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: large investments and people in all these offices. And you 318 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: know the problem with America is that we keep whip sawing. 319 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: Is it today? As always, we so appreciate your insights 320 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: and analysis. Bill Bolton, come back to us next week 321 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: if you would, sir, We'll be right back folks. 322 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 7: With more. 323 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 8: Welcome back. Delighted to say we have doctor David wormser 324 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 8: one of our favorite guests, certainly one of the most 325 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 8: well incalculably valuable guests on this program each week. He 326 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 8: is the senior director for the Center for Security Policy's 327 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 8: Mid East Program. He is a man with extensive experience 328 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 8: in government, including as a naval intelligence officer. He rose 329 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 8: through the ranks to be a lieutenant commander, now retired. 330 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 8: He is also a veteran of both the State Department, 331 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 8: the National Security Council, and the Office of the Vice Resident, 332 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 8: in each of which he served as a very important 333 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 8: and I think influential advisor on Middle East affairs, one 334 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 8: of the areas on which he is quite expert, and 335 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 8: we turned to him regularly to help us understand what 336 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 8: on earth is going on in the Middle East and 337 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 8: what would it mean for us as things continue to 338 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 8: unfold there. Dr wormser I cannot tell you how much 339 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 8: I appreciate your help in so many respects, but not 340 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 8: least your contributions to a new paper that our Victory 341 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 8: Coalition is just released. It's talking about where we are 342 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 8: with respect to the negotiations with Iran on their nuclear 343 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 8: weapons program. And as we speak, Steve Witkoff, the President's 344 00:21:53,840 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 8: Special Envoy, is actually I believe, in meetings with the 345 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 8: Iranians in Oman and he's sort of put the word 346 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 8: out that this is it. If they don't actually get 347 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 8: constructively engaged, the Administration's not going to continue this, you know, 348 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 8: effort to find a way forward on eliminating the nuclear 349 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 8: weapons program of Iran. Give us a little bit of context, 350 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 8: if you would, on those conversations and the perils that 351 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 8: may be associated with them. 352 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 6: Sure, despite you know, a week really another all ox 353 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 6: of flood, but this time of disinformation over the entire 354 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 6: week of a crisis in American Israeli relations. The United 355 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 6: States has fed up with Israel. Nathaniao as the Prime 356 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 6: Minister of Israel is on bad terms with Trump. President 357 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 6: Trump all turned out to be completely wrong in disinformation, 358 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 6: and the context of that is I think two things 359 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 6: is the imminent war in Gaza that Israel will finish 360 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 6: in a much escalated way in the next few months. 361 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 6: But then I think the real thing that's got a 362 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 6: lot of this going is, of course the negotiations and 363 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 6: the prospect for a breakdown of those negotiations over Iran's 364 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 6: nuclear program and the implications of that which would be 365 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 6: most likely in Israeli strike. So in that context you've 366 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 6: had this disinformation. But then there's been a series of 367 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 6: clarifying statements apart from the Ambassador to Israel, US Ambassador 368 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 6: to Israel, etc. Clarifying that there's no crisis. You had 369 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 6: a series of very important statements by Witkoff, the Special 370 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 6: Envoy himself, And not only did he say no enrichment, 371 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 6: namely no structure of enrichment, which means no yellow cake 372 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 6: reprocessing conversion facility in Isfahan, no centrifuges. He also said 373 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 6: that the current stockpile of highly enriched uranium has to 374 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 6: be removed. But then he went further and nobody noticed. 375 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 6: But yesterday he added a demand that hadn't been set 376 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 6: in public. It had been in private, something people had 377 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 6: said all along. It was one of the main critiques 378 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 6: of the Obama nuclear deal, what's called the JCPOA, which 379 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 6: was that it didn't include anything but nuclear. But yesterday 380 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 6: Steve Whitkoff added the demand that Iran has to abandon 381 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 6: and dismantle its proxy network in the region, which is 382 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 6: of course the other core strategic threat that Iran poses, 383 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 6: not only to Israel but to the United States. It's 384 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 6: those proxies that have been killing us, whether it's Hizbala 385 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 6: killing marines, in Beirut, or whether it's the Shababin in 386 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 6: Iraq killing our soldiers or anywhere else. So we see 387 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 6: this as a whole new sector that's being raised in 388 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 6: these talks, which adds once again a likelihood that we're 389 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 6: not going to get a full resolution. 390 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 8: Has been I think a well canard for a long time. 391 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 8: We've been told that that joint you know, sort of 392 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 8: JCPOA as it's called, this agreement would provide pretty much 393 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 8: a full resolution of the problem that the various other 394 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 8: parlays and efforts to negotiate with the Iranians would lead to. 395 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 8: It never has never has, certainly not with the JCPOA 396 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 8: and David, has there been even before these additional conditions, 397 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 8: which I commend the administration for stipulating to its credit 398 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 8: that it's done so, even if it's very late in 399 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 8: this process. But is there any reason to believe that 400 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 8: this would, even if they got an agreement, and even 401 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 8: if the Iranians committed to these kinds of sweeping undertakings, 402 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 8: that it would actually result in a full resolution. Do 403 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 8: you think, sir, No? 404 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 6: Zero chance? And the reason for that is that the 405 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 6: essence of the Iranian regime is to be at war 406 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 6: with the United States and destroy it. It isn't a 407 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 6: policy by the administered by the Iranian government. 408 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: It is what it is. 409 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 6: That's the whole essence of it. It has said so 410 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy nine, it said so, in nineteen eighty, 411 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 6: it said so, in nineteen ninety it said so. When 412 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 6: it blew up the Marines, it said so. All the 413 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 6: way through to this very day, this morning, even how 414 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 6: many led chants of death to America, the death to 415 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 6: the great Satan of America, this is who they are. 416 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 6: So any nuclear deal, any deal with Iran, has been 417 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 6: violated by Iran consistently because for them, it's a tactical 418 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 6: manipulation to continue to build the means to exercise and 419 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 6: to realize their ambition of destroying not only Israel, but 420 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 6: the United States and the West as a whole. I 421 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 6: remember in. 422 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 8: Nineteen it's about buying time, in other. 423 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 6: Words, not buying time. And they have intention to cheat. 424 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 6: Even if they agreed to something, they'll cheat, but they 425 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 6: probably won't even agree to certain things. And right now 426 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 6: they're just trying to smear it out, to spread it 427 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 6: out until the window of opportunity that Israel's opened up closes. 428 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 8: That's a really important part of our paper, David, is 429 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 8: that there is an opportunity to act. It may be 430 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 8: very temporary, indeed fleeting, but it's present at the moment. 431 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 8: Remind us why that is and in part great credit 432 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 8: to Israel for having created it. 433 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 6: Well, let's go back to October seventh for a moment. 434 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 6: This is the day that Israel was invaded. This is 435 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 6: the day Israel was invaded by Ramas. Israel faced between 436 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 6: one and two hundred thousand missiles from Huzbala and a 437 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 6: force that had full control over Lebanon and threatened basically 438 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 6: to burn Israel down with the potential for non conventional 439 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 6: weapons flowing there, full control of Syria and the Syrian Front. 440 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 8: Which Hazbolah, a wholly owned subsidiary all in Iran. 441 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 6: It's really a division of the Iranian military. It's really 442 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 6: integrated into the Iranian power structure. Then you had Syria, 443 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 6: which was under Asad, who's totally independent, was totally dependent 444 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 6: on Iran, and the Iraqi militias which could come right 445 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 6: up to Israel's border. You had Jordan becoming highly unstable 446 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 6: with the Iranian infiltrators in the south you had Rizbala 447 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 6: Ramas building up, which eventually was seen what happened on 448 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 6: October seventh, and then you had Yemen building up, and 449 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 6: so that's October seventh. So in their nuclear program was 450 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 6: moving very rapidly, and a highly enriched geranium was being 451 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 6: achieved in one case even eighty seven percent, which is 452 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 6: fully bomb grade, sixty percent the rest which is sort 453 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 6: of a crude bomb grade, but it's nevertheless, it can 454 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 6: be used to make a nuclear detonation, a lower one, 455 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 6: but one that could be. So Iran was threatening nuclear weapons, 456 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 6: unimpeded progress on missiles, sanctions were being lifted, a ring 457 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 6: of fire choking Israel to death, and a regional that 458 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 6: was region that was largely destabilizing, and they were at 459 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 6: will hitting American troops to make a point every once 460 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 6: in a while, and they have every once in a 461 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 6: while took out Saudi Arabia's oil structures. All this was 462 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 6: the world that was, and then all of a sudden, 463 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 6: that period of all. 464 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 8: Before we leave that catalog, David, I do think it's 465 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 8: important to emphasize something I think you touched on, but 466 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 8: the Iranian regime from the day it came to power 467 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 8: was uttering and inducing everybody in the country to repeat 468 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 8: this mantra of bringing death to America. Now, if that 469 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 8: doesn't describe a condition of war against us as well 470 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 8: as Israel, of course death Israel, death to America, to 471 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 8: say nothing of the various other things that you just 472 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 8: have enumerated. Isn't that I mean, you're a you're an 473 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 8: old intelligence hand. Wouldn't that be categorized as using the 474 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 8: terminology of the trade a clue? 475 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 6: It's a clue that's whacking us in the face. Moreover, 476 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 6: every year we gather together on Holocaust Day and say 477 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 6: never again, meaning if somebody says they're going to do 478 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 6: something horrible, we at least need to pay attention to that. 479 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 6: And every year we forget that when it comes to 480 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 6: Iran and we just ignore it and say, well, don't 481 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 6: really mean it. Although, by the way, I'd add one 482 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 6: more to the litany is the fact that it's a 483 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 6: grave act of belligerent act, which is they're trying to 484 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 6: kill our president and they have tried also to kill 485 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 6: three of our top other officials. This is a nation 486 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 6: that is sparing nothing in their weakness, but they're sparing 487 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 6: nothing to take on. 488 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 8: America, including putting forces inside our country, among other things, 489 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 8: for the purposes of killing our presidence. We're going to 490 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 8: come back to that in a moment, David, because this 491 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 8: is a very important you know, finding, I guess one 492 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 8: might say conclusion of our paper. You can find the 493 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 8: paper at victoryco dot org, Folks, Victory dot org. It 494 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 8: is the latest effort on the part of David Wormser 495 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 8: and myself and other members of our coalition to help 496 00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 8: define accurately what it will say to gain victory. We'll 497 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 8: be right back with more with David Warmser's stay tuned. 498 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 8: Welcome back, Doctor David warms And is in the house 499 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 8: that makes this a banner day at Securing America. We're 500 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 8: always pleased to catch up with him. He has a 501 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 8: capacity to analyze and explain the arcane business of the 502 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 8: Middle East in a way that I think is without parallel. 503 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 8: We're very, very honored to have him with us always. 504 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 8: And David, you were talking about, you know, the fleeting 505 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 8: opportunity that may be present now as a result of 506 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 8: what the Israelis did in the aftermath of October seven. 507 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 8: Just lay that out a little bit further as to 508 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 8: how it bears specifically, on the situation with respect to Iran. 509 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 6: Well, First of all, as of after October seventh, the 510 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 6: Israelis have now for almost two years fought Hamas and Gaza, 511 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 6: and they whittled them down to the now it's a 512 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 6: question of how to essentially erase them completely, but they're 513 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 6: not a grave threat at the moment. In terms of 514 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 6: hundreds or thousands of missiles flying on Israel a day, 515 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 6: the more important one is in the summer of twenty 516 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 6: twenty four October, sorry, August, September and October, Israel launched 517 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 6: a series of attacks on Huzbala, starting with Few people 518 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 6: really paid attention at the moment, but they did a 519 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 6: preemptive strike of Iran's missile structure. I say Iran, it 520 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 6: is Iran's, but it's Kazbala's missile structure in Lebanon and 521 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 6: destroyed hundreds of not even a thousands of their missile launchers, 522 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 6: which is of course the bottleneck, which essentially eliminated Chazbala's 523 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 6: ability to send what was estimated before this seven to 524 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 6: ten thousand missiles on Israel per day, which would overwhelm 525 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 6: Israel's air defense. Suddenly it had been whittled down, and 526 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 6: Israel had a manageable structure that they could shoot down 527 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 6: to perhaps forty or less missiles per day. Then after 528 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 6: that we know we the more famous operations took place 529 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 6: Operation grim Beeper, which was the beepers that knocked out 530 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 6: five thousand of Kuzbala's operatives. And then the next day 531 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 6: including leadership, and then the next day they went to 532 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 6: reserve channels because their beepers had been compromised because Bala 533 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 6: did and lo and behold, the Israelis had sabotaged those. 534 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 6: So they killed or maimed or disabled another core structure 535 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 6: of leaders. So essentially the entire command structure of Zbala 536 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 6: was eliminated, and they were they were basically a chicken 537 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 6: with their head cut off and their spine removed, So 538 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 6: Chrisbala became a quivering mass. And then the Israelis, for 539 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 6: the Kuda Grass went and killed off the leadership, the 540 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 6: top leadership, Unusralla himself. A week or two later so 541 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 6: and and by the way, at the same time, yes, 542 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 6: almost two hundred feet down below below surface beyond that, 543 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 6: at the same time in the presidential palace in Tehran, 544 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 6: they killed one of the leaders or the leader of 545 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 6: ramas Under, literally under Chamoni's nose in his guesthouse, in 546 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 6: his presidential palace complex. 547 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 8: So the stunning testimony is really intelligence as well as 548 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 8: the will of the Israeli leader Benjamintonah who to take 549 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 8: the fight to their mortal enemies. And David, one of 550 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 8: the things I need to make sure we have some 551 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 8: time to discuss is going back to what you said 552 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 8: at the beginning about this alleged rift between Donald Trump 553 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 8: and Benjamin Mentona. Who fake news you've said it is, 554 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 8: and I guess it's Mike Huckabee, out of our new 555 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 8: and wonderful ambassador in Jerusalem, is attesting to that. The relationship. 556 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 8: I think of it as the special relationship personified. You know, 557 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 8: hearkens back to Fdr In Churchill and World War Two 558 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 8: and all of that. But just a few words about 559 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 8: the importance of it and why it seems so important 560 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 8: to Israel's enemies to at least give rise to this 561 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 8: perception that there is a fracture between those two men. 562 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,959 Speaker 6: Yeah, what it is is that the biggest change since 563 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 6: last summer, I mean, apart from the fact also that 564 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 6: Israel and we can get into this about what Israel 565 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 6: did to Iran's air defense and stuff. That all was 566 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 6: only that was all somewhat tempered and compromised by the 567 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 6: fact that you had an American administration that was antagonistic 568 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 6: to Israel and did not want Israel to win the war, 569 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 6: not against Ramas, not against Lizbala, and not against Iran. 570 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 6: They tried to stop Israel from doing everything that changed 571 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 6: the strategic balance and strategic momentum. 572 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: The war. 573 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 6: Really not just they wanted ceasefires everywhere. They didn't want 574 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 6: Israel to kill INSRAELA, they didn't want the beepers, they 575 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 6: didn't want anything. They wanted Israel to accept the status quo, 576 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 6: which was a defeat. So in that context, Iran realized 577 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 6: that the key strategic vulnerability Israel had was that it's 578 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 6: alone if the Americans abandoned them, and that that's the 579 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 6: end that you you can turn America against Israel by 580 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 6: threatening Americans. And first of all, there was a rift 581 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 6: between President Biden and America, and two then to wheedle 582 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 6: into that by threatening American troops because they knew the 583 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 6: American government would be terrified of that in any escalation 584 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 6: and would force Israel to stand down. So that's been 585 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 6: their strategy all along. The problem they have is that 586 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 6: the reality with President Trump is the one hundred and 587 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 6: eighty degree inversion of that, is that President Trump and 588 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 6: Israel are operating largely in lockstep. The personal relationship is 589 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 6: incredibly important, very tight. There's very it's almost impossible to 590 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 6: see any light of day between the two governments at 591 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 6: this point. So the Iranians are trying to work with 592 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 6: their influence operators in the United States, whether it be 593 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 6: a certain part of the conservative movement or traditional allies 594 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 6: on the left, the Koch Brothers organizations, treat a Parsi 595 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 6: and even some people in the administration who are sympathetic 596 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 6: with an isolationist point of view and don't want and 597 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 6: basically want to abandon Israel and have said so all along. 598 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 8: And this is of course called restraint, restraint, isolation, let 599 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 8: alone retreat. 600 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 6: Which is what must be clear. They oppose every one 601 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 6: of President Trump's stated policies. President Trump's quite proud of 602 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 6: the Abraham Accords. They opposed the Abraham Accords. Trump is 603 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 6: quite proud about his relationship with Israel, about supporting Israel, 604 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 6: on Gaza's support, etc. Across the board. 605 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 8: They are against I want to name a name. Michael Demino, 606 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 8: I believe is one of the guys who exemplifies all 607 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 8: of this now, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for 608 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 8: the Middle East. And I just say that aside, folks, 609 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 8: I had a position like that in the Reagan Pentagon, 610 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 8: and I can tell you those are the people who 611 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 8: make policy every single day because their superiors have other 612 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 8: things to do. This is a guy who should not 613 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 8: be anywhere near the lovers of power in the hold state. Tue, 614 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 8: we'll be right back with one last segment with David Warmser. 615 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 8: Don't want to miss it. Stay tuned. We're back. Doctor 616 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 8: David Warmsur is with us. Praise the Lord. He is, 617 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 8: of course, a very experienced hand in senior ranks of 618 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 8: US government officials. He is also a guy who these 619 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 8: days is helping organizations like our Victory Coalition articulate more 620 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 8: sensible strategies for actually achieving victory. We call it the 621 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 8: Victory Coalition. That therefore, and when I say victory, I mean, 622 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 8: of course, most immediately Israel's victory over her enemies. But 623 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 8: there are enemies too, folks, especially Iran. For reasons we 624 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 8: talked about with David earlier. So, David, I just have 625 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 8: to say I think one of the most important recommendations 626 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,479 Speaker 8: we made in this paper. It's available again for free 627 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 8: at victoryco dot org. Folks, please check it out and 628 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 8: share it. There was this real concern I remember vividly 629 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 8: about President Trump being exposed on the West front of 630 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 8: the capital on an inauguration day. And indeed, as you 631 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 8: said earlier, David, we are given to understand there are 632 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 8: Iranian assassination squads in America trying to kill him. How 633 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 8: much more dangerous would it be for the safety of 634 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 8: the President of the United States to be in places like, oh, 635 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 8: I don't know, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, or 636 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 8: most especially Qatar, which is, to be honest folks, described 637 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 8: as a major non NATO US ally, but it's also 638 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 8: an Iranian ally my last time I checked. Give us 639 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,760 Speaker 8: a sense as an intelligence you know, expert and analysts 640 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 8: and alumnus. First of all, how serious the problem is that. 641 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 6: In terms of motivation, First of all, Iran is just 642 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 6: a terrorist organization dressed up with a flag in a country. 643 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 6: Terrorist organizations go for shock values, so they try to 644 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 6: kill as many people as possible. To shock or sensitive 645 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 6: targets to make a point. But nothing would be higher 646 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 6: value than killing the leader of your enemy. But in 647 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 6: this case there's an additional beyond just being terrorists. Strategically, 648 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 6: the personal relationship between Prime Minister Natonio and President Trump 649 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 6: is right now the spine of Western defense in the 650 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 6: region and the essence of what is challenging the Iranians. 651 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 6: So killing the president or killing Prime Minister Natonio is 652 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 6: a major pull out. The stops strategic aim of the 653 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 6: Iranian government. They have planted, they've said they want to 654 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 6: do it, they fantasize it, and they have now organized 655 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 6: operational units to do it. They have been caught doing it. 656 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 6: They say they're going to do it. Their leadership says 657 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 6: they're going to do it. So a the level is 658 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 6: through the roof in terms of danger, so much so 659 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 6: that Prime Minister Natonio, the other end of that DIAD, 660 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 6: canceled his trip to Azerbaijohn even though BYI John's a 661 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 6: very close ally right now of Israel's and critical to 662 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 6: the battle against Iran because it borders Iran. They just 663 00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 6: the Israeli government felt it was too much of a 664 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 6: risk to go now in the Middle East, sending the 665 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 6: president there. That's the real danger here, because while in 666 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 6: the United States it's bad enough and it really worries 667 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 6: me every day, in the Middle East, unfortunately, the UAE 668 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 6: and Saudi Arabia are good allies. It's the last thing 669 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 6: they would want is the president to be harmed. They 670 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 6: like President Trump, they did not like Biden. But the 671 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 6: problem is that there is a difficulty so close to Iran, 672 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 6: with so many Iranian operatives and Iranian assets on the 673 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 6: ground in the UAE in Saudi Arabia, that it's not 674 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 6: clear that they can fully secure the president. And then 675 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 6: in Qatar, you wonder about the leadership itself. They're support 676 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 6: terrorism and they do not like President Trump. 677 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 8: They support terrorism in the name of jihad worldwide, folks, totally, 678 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 8: And David, I guess the key point here for me 679 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 8: is even if the Iranians set up it out, you 680 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 8: have jihadists of other stripes, notably the Muslim Brotherhood and 681 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 8: most of well, I think all of the Sunni jihadist 682 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 8: organizations on the planet are descended from the Muslim Brotherhood 683 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 8: best I can tell. They don't like the President of 684 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 8: the United States either. They would like to destroy this 685 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 8: relationship with Israel and Bibi Netanyahu. I mean, this is madness, folks. 686 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 8: The President of the United States must not go to 687 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 8: the Middle East, especially to these three countries, lest he 688 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 8: come back in a box. And we don't want that 689 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 8: to happen. Needless to say, David, what do we need 690 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 8: to do now? 691 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 6: Well, there, as we started talking about, there's this window 692 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 6: of opportunity that Israel opened up after the destruction of 693 00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 6: Ramas and Khuzbala last summer, Iran had no choice but 694 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 6: to throw its weight directly onto Israel to show we 695 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 6: have all these missiles, You're not going to be able 696 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 6: to stop them. We're sophisticated. We're going to leave Israeli 697 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 6: cities and airfields burning. And what happened was all the 698 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 6: missiles were shot down, nobody was killed, and no buildings 699 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 6: or anything came down. And then the Israelis a few 700 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 6: weeks later, on October twenty sixth, struck back and they 701 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 6: literally eliminated Iran's air defense, destroyed missile production facilities and 702 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 6: storage sites, destroyed a key bottleneck of their nuclear program, 703 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 6: and showed that they can operate now in the air 704 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,800 Speaker 6: over Iran without any interference. At will. They could have 705 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 6: a week long campaign bombing Iran and so on and 706 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 6: so forth. So Iran was left weak. The government, which 707 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 6: thrives on an image of as all terrible Tyrannies do 708 00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 6: omnipotence and fear and cruelty, suddenly look like they were 709 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 6: impotent and capable, terrified and their cruelty was there, But 710 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 6: they were they were scared obviously. So that opened up 711 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 6: a window of opportunity, both in terms of Israeli capabilities 712 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 6: to do a devastating blow to not only the Iranian 713 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 6: program but to the Iranian regime itself, and second of all, 714 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 6: to essentially destabilize the government, to raise the very real 715 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 6: prospect of a collapse of the Iranian regime, which would 716 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 6: end any danger of war with Iran. 717 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, I personally, David, and I think you do. Our 718 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 8: victory coalition I believe is unified on this point. That's 719 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 8: the only way. 720 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 721 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 6: And by the way, all these fears of response, Iran 722 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 6: never responded to Israel. 723 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 8: This problem has a solution now, Yes, But David, what 724 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 8: you've just suggested is those air defenses can be rebuilt, 725 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 8: those missile launchers can be you know, real furbished there 726 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 8: is unquestionably going to be more jihadism sponsored by these guys. 727 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 8: The window of opportunity is now. Buying time is not 728 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 8: in our interest. It is in the interest of the 729 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 8: regime that must not be allowed to continue to happen. 730 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 8: David worms that we have to leave it at that. 731 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 8: Thank you so much. Come back to us with updates 732 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 8: on all of this very soon, if you would, We'll 733 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 8: be right back folks. Stay tuned.