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Speaker 2: So Joe, come on now, Joey Chestnut banned from the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Nathan's Hot Dog Eating contest. Come on, man,

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Speaker 2: you can't tell me they don't relish the attention. I'm

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Speaker 2: just trying to catch up on all the facts here

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Speaker 2: plant dogs? Can they cut the mustard?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That's just too bad because Joey Chestnut was.

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Speaker 1: Really on a roll.

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Speaker 2: See that I did there. Now the contest looks like

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Speaker 2: it's in a pickle. Somebody is going to be in

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Speaker 2: hot water over this, I'll tell you right now. But

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Speaker 2: can I be Frank who writes his stuff? I'm oping

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Speaker 2: enough for Shecky Green and the Cat Skills next Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget to tip your waiters. And waitresses and try

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Speaker 2: to semi boldness spaghetti. A source says Chestnut was paid

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Speaker 2: two hundred grand do appear in this contest every year

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Speaker 2: and was offered a one point two million, four year

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Speaker 2: contract going forward. But it's all ky Bosch right now

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Speaker 2: because he's accepted a sponsorship deal with plant based hot dogs,

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Speaker 2: whatever the heck they're called. Okay, there is America right

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Speaker 2: So now Major League geting, which sanctions sanctions Nathan's to

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Speaker 2: participate in his contest. His issue a statement quote, We're

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Speaker 2: devastated to learn that Joy Chestnut has chosen to represent

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Speaker 2: a rival brand that sells plant based hot dogs.

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Speaker 4: BA.

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Speaker 2: They went on to great links to say they've been

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Speaker 2: trying to accommodate Joey and all his demands, but they

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Speaker 2: can on this one. They likened it to Michael Jordan

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Speaker 2: going to Nike back in the Day's stay. I really

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Speaker 2: like you, Nike, but I like to rep Adidas as well.

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Speaker 2: Hold that thought, because this is actually a developing story.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I absolutely think and the numbers prove

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Speaker 2: it that the hot dog eating contest has become one

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Speaker 2: of the great Americana spectacles of all time. July fourth,

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Speaker 2: you can look forward to it every year. Look at

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Speaker 2: these knuckleheads. Okay, so first of all, I want to

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Speaker 2: start with the crew. Let's let's bring them in here,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Figures. Do you even watch the hot Dog Indian Contest?

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Speaker 2: What's your deal?

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Speaker 5: No, To be honest with you, I think it's a

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Speaker 5: little disgusting. So yeah, that's fair tough for me to stomach,

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Speaker 5: to be honest, and there was no pun intended there

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Speaker 5: at I don't need the rim shot, Mark, But is

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Speaker 5: this not my cup of tea? I understand that there's

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Speaker 5: a giant following behind it and the competitive eating in general,

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Speaker 5: but it's never been my thing to follow closely, to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's be really truly become a thing.

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Speaker 2: And it is disgusting to watch. I'll grant you that.

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Speaker 2: And I watch it anyway because I find angles to

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Speaker 2: talk about it. But all right, fair enough? Uh, Mark Ramsey,

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Speaker 2: do you watch the hot dog eating Contest?

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Speaker 6: Not on purpose?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 8: I don't thank you for laughing, Thank you for laughing.

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Speaker 8: I think it's an abuse of hot dogs. It should

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Speaker 8: be banned all the time. Why mess up a good

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Speaker 8: hot dog like that? Why just jam it down your throat.

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Speaker 8: There's no point to just jamming a hot dog down

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Speaker 8: your throat. You should eat it very carefully with a

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Speaker 8: nice drink it. Just take your time, watch a baseball game.

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Speaker 8: Just take it easy, does don't jam it down your face.

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Speaker 2: And please tell me you don't put ketchup on your

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Speaker 6: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: You know you're from Chicago.

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Speaker 9: I do what I do.

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Speaker 6: What I want is my hot dog.

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Speaker 2: All fairness, thank you much for another day. I went

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Speaker 2: raised a hell of a fure. I think you put

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Speaker 2: ketchup on a hot dog, you're killing it. You're you're

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Speaker 2: mask You're masking the flavor. It's all right, let's not

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Speaker 2: go down the road. Do you watch the hot dog

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Speaker 9: I do not.

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Speaker 10: I feel the same way as Kevin. I think it's

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Speaker 10: just a little nauseating to me. And I suffer from

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Speaker 10: worst possible things. I'm thinking of acid reflex. I'm like,

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Speaker 10: that's a sophagitis going down in like, you know, four

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Speaker 10: I'm drinking ginger ell while I'm watching it. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 10: if I watch like thirty seconds of it, I turn

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to hook you up with some probios. Yes, yeah, listen.

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Speaker 2: Dipping the bun and water and all that is not

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Speaker 10: But disrespect to the carbs of the hot dog bun,

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Speaker 11: Disrespect.

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Speaker 2: I covered a lot of good ground. There covered a

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Speaker 2: lot of good ground. Ian, my man, do you watch

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Speaker 12: Not really, I mean I'll have it on in the background.

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Speaker 12: But guys, I can at least appreciate a sport. I'm

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Speaker 12: not gonna sit here and, you know, dump all over

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Speaker 12: it is to an extent, but but uh, you know,

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Speaker 12: there's we have to be able to appreciate this like

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Speaker 5: I think it's disrespectful to athletes to call this a sport. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: probably of a competition. Joe.

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Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and four, while I was doing

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Speaker 2: radio in Detroit, I said, let's define what a sport is.

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Speaker 2: I said three things. It's a sport if you can

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Speaker 2: bet on it. That's one. Well, you can bet on it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but here comes a big butt peewee. Can you pull

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 9: Well, can you trash talk?

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Speaker 2: You got two of the three. You gotta be able

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Speaker 2: to pull a HAMI trash talk and bet on him.

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Speaker 2: See it's only two of the three. But go ahead,

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Speaker 2: you got the last word.

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Speaker 12: Well, Bernie, you'd be surprised what I would manage to

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Speaker 12: pull my hamstring doing. Okay, I I think I could

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Speaker 12: man This guy's.

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Speaker 2: Actually train see their training. I am not joking that

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Speaker 2: Kobayashi thirty for thirty about five years ago. Dial it up, man.

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Speaker 2: Uh So, Okay, I'm the only freak here that I

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Speaker 2: watch it. Okay, it's it's July fourth, it's the Thursday

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Speaker 2: this year. My last yeary Arnie and I did a

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Speaker 2: show on July third. We handicapped the whole thing, and

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Speaker 2: people bet it. Let's go back around the room because

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Speaker 2: here's one of the angles here. All right, we all

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Speaker 2: eat hot dogs. Come on, man, if you don't need

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I love personally the old beef hot dogs that eat

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Speaker 2: at Costco. Those things are tremendous. Free plug for Costco.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you should sponsor our show. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I'm beating plant hot dogs anytime soon. I did try

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Speaker 2: ate my first choice. So here's the thing, assuming you

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Speaker 2: eat hot dogs, Kevin, do you eat plant hot dogs.

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Speaker 5: I've never tried a plant based hot dog, so, but

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Speaker 5: I've tried plant based burgers and they are pretty good.

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Speaker 5: So I would like them every now and then, So

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Speaker 5: sure I try one? Absolutely well? Fair enough, Mark Ramsey,

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Speaker 5: you're from Chicago. Would you eat a plant based hot dog?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I love it. Allow myself to introduce myself.

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Speaker 6: All right, we're not a chance.

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Speaker 2: We're clearing that one. Uh Bree, would you need a

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Speaker 2: plant based hot dog?

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Speaker 10: I haven't had one yet, but I would. I was

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Speaker 10: like Kevin, I have plant based burgers and things like that,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if I wonder if they ever made burger

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Speaker 2: I did try one, Okay, I gotta be fair. I

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Speaker 2: a regular hot dogg said, oh, yeah, you can, but

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make up an overar point here in just

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Speaker 2: a second. In Okay, everybody's open minded to have eaten

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Speaker 12: No, I'm sorry to keep it boring, but I also

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Speaker 2: I'm keeping it boring. So here's the deal. These two

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Speaker 2: have plant based they're paying to do to. You know,

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Speaker 2: he makes over half a million year Joey Chestnut building

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Speaker 2: I know that may sound contratruitive, but he really does.

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Speaker 2: So let's go back around the room. Is it fair

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Speaker 2: Start with you, Kevin figures fair?

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Speaker 6: Uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I certainly understand Nathan's if you believe

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Speaker 6: I understand the competition there.

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Speaker 5: But I also think Nathan's is losing out if they

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Speaker 5: say we don't want you to be there, because a

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Speaker 6: Tune in just to see him, exactly right.

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Speaker 5: I think they're cutting off their notes despite their face

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Speaker 5: by doing this. It is the ego play for them. So, oh,

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Speaker 5: you want to represent somebody else, you're not going to

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Speaker 5: be here?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 5: Fine, well, how do my own one off on Netflix?

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Speaker 5: They have better ratings than you.

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Speaker 2: That's when we talk about that later. That's coming up September. Second.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk about that at the end of the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he's done a good point there, Kevin. They

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Speaker 2: got a little butt hurt, but they compared it to

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Speaker 2: Jordan telling Nike is it okay for a Repididas too?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a fair analogy because Adienis

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Speaker 2: a plant hot dog is not a regular hot dog.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not again, I didn't cage bad. I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying it's not my first choice. But I'm I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a red blood in America and I

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Speaker 11: Is it fair?

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Speaker 12: I honestly, I think it is just because it was

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, good stuff all the way around on all

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Speaker 2: nugget in there about pizza. Did you know that Joey

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Speaker 2: Chestnut holds world records twenty seven world records for eating?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I am. This one's for you, Peter in Ottawa.

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Speaker 2: He holds the record for Taco bell soft shell beef

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Speaker 2: tacos need fifty three and ten minutes. Anything to neat

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Speaker 2: with that, anything to drink with that? How about twinkies?

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Speaker 2: He's got the record Joey Chestnut one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: Now here's the part that blows me away. His record

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Speaker 9: Are you eat me?

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Speaker 2: I think I've done anything in my life twelve hours straight?

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Speaker 2: Maybe sleep? How about Lays donuts? Fifty five glaves donuts

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Speaker 2: Big Max can you eat? If you're like you know

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Speaker 10: I could probably do a good two.

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Speaker 11: And a half.

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Speaker 2: Believe that that's pretty badass.

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Speaker 10: And then just half of one. I don't know about

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Speaker 2: Sure that's a well routed meal. Well guess what, Joey

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Speaker 2: Chestnut thirty two Big Max in thirty eight minutes can

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Speaker 2: make this up? Stuff up? Folks. Kevin figures you like

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Speaker 2: grilled cheese sandwiches.

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Speaker 6: I Do I love groll cheese?

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Speaker 9: I knew that.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't, but I got lucky there. All right,

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Speaker 2: how many can you eat Kevin grilled cheese?

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Speaker 6: I'll probably take time about ten them, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: I love that. We got to have Luve someday. Well,

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Speaker 2: Joey Chestnut forty seven girl Sea sandwiches in ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: That's a record. That's a record. That's a record. That's

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Speaker 2: a record. That's a record. Now, nothing out here about pizza?

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Speaker 2: Mark Grahams. Do you like pepperoni? Rules?

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Speaker 2: All right, well we ate forty three and ten minutes.

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Speaker 6: Pass?

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Speaker 2: He had one hundred and sixty five and eight minutes.

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Speaker 2: How about the Pistrami sandwiches?

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Speaker 2: Well, we talked about this last week. I think or

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Speaker 2: Cat's Deli where I've been there in New York, where

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Speaker 2: in ten minutes. How about got to come up with

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Speaker 9: Why?

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Speaker 2: Not. How many can you eat?

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Speaker 6: Uh, let's go with two?

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Speaker 2: You ate forty five and ten minutes. Finally, Ian, you

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Speaker 2: Do you like ice cream sandwiches?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: How many can you eat?

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Speaker 12: My teeth get kind of sensitive, so probably one. Brain

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Speaker 2: Twenty six ice cream sandwiches in six minutes, twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Anybody in his crew like glazed donuts?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Definitely? Hello, Hello? Who can eat the most glazed donuts?

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Speaker 2: Can anybody eat ten?

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Speaker 11: I could eat ten for sure?

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Speaker 2: Twelve glazed donuts?

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Speaker 6: Is that with milk or without milk?

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Speaker 2: So your choice, your choice. This is America Live, how

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Speaker 9: With ketchup?

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Speaker 11: Just kidding?

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Speaker 2: I love it. Fifty five glazed donuts in eight minutes.

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Speaker 2: So you see Joey chestnut Man. When you wave goodbye,

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Speaker 2: you wave goodbyto Nkon. Now there may be still some

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Speaker 2: I didn't give Kevin and Mark a chance to weigh

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Speaker 2: you imagine, by the way, if JJ Reddick turns him

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Speaker 2: Frale Show Comedy livethetire dot Com studios here in Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas Fox Sports Radio. Let's get Kevin into this discussion. Kevin,

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Speaker 2: you're in LA. I knew a thing or two about hoops.

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts when you found out that Danny

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Speaker 6: Wasn't the least bit surprised, To be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: I lawed the Lakers for taking the big swing at it,

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Speaker 5: a quote unquote compelling case, and he was flying back

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Speaker 5: he was staying. There are just too many things working

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Speaker 5: The Laker job just isn't that great of a job

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Speaker 5: if you don't win a national championship. So I just

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Speaker 5: that he decided to stay, and I would have been

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Speaker 5: more surprised Bernie had he taken the job.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, right, I'm in agreement and I was

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Speaker 5: to say, what is their job and their obligation, I

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Speaker 5: think is to try to put the best what twelve thirteen,

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Speaker 5: however many players it is that makes the roster onto

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Speaker 5: the roster to give them a chance to win. So

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Speaker 5: if you want to make an argument, I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to lie and say that I watch a lot out

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Speaker 5: of women's basketball.

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Speaker 6: I know who the top twelve to fifteen players are.

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Speaker 5: I would say it's unlikely that Kaitlyn Clark right now

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Speaker 5: is one of the top fifteen players in women's basketball

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Speaker 5: right now. Now along with that, are they gonna need

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Speaker 5: all twelve players? I mean, the women's team is not

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Speaker 5: a national team. Hasn't lost the game since nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 5: and even then they've lost three. They lost twice in

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Speaker 5: seventy six, and they lost once to ninety two, and

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Speaker 5: they haven't lost in the Olympics ever since. So the

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Speaker 5: twelve person at the end of the bench really is

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Speaker 5: going to make a difference one way or the other. So,

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Speaker 5: from that standpoint, if you're talking about marketing dollars, eyeballs,

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Speaker 5: put her at the end of the bench, you're gonna

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Speaker 5: be up by fifty at the end of the first

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Speaker 5: half most of the time. Anyway, and throw her into

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Speaker 5: the game, get more sponsorships attached to it. So from

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Speaker 5: a business standpoint, I would understand why you would take her.

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Speaker 5: From a basketball standpoint, if you're a member of the

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Speaker 5: committee for picking the best basketball players, I would understand

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Speaker 5: why you would want to leave her off.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, And I'm okay with the decision to leave

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Speaker 2: her off. And I'm a big Caitlyn Clark fan, and

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Speaker 2: I gave plenty receipts at the top of the show

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Speaker 2: that are object the truth rather than the people in

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Speaker 2: their person. Feels good, good stuff, Kevin Mark Ramsey start

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Speaker 2: with Caitlin Clark. Did they leave her? Leaving her off

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Speaker 2: the team is at the right decision.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a good decision because her presence might

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Speaker 8: not have made that much of a difference other than

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Speaker 8: the star power and her face. And she's on the

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Speaker 8: team since they already have a bunch of winners to

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Speaker 8: play the game and to make sure the important part

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Speaker 8: is to win the games. She wouldn't make that much

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Speaker 8: of a difference, So it's fine to leave her off.

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Speaker 8: I mean, she can have a chance, you know when

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Speaker 8: it comes around again.

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Speaker 2: And then, of course, what were your thoughts when you

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Speaker 2: heard that Danny Hurley said, not no hell noe to

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Speaker 2: the Lakers.

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Speaker 8: I think when a person has to make a decision

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Speaker 8: about something and you get a piece of paper and

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Speaker 8: draw a line down and the pros and then the

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Speaker 8: cons about what it is looking at the Lakers, that

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Speaker 8: they are, as you have said, a dumpster fire in

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Speaker 8: the sense, and that it would take too much trouble

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Speaker 8: to become a coach of a bunch of guys that

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Speaker 8: think they don't need anyone to help them, and all

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Speaker 8: that it goes into trying to get their minds of

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Speaker 8: how to win again, versus being with everybody has said

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Speaker 8: he's a teacher, So staying in college he can still

497
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Speaker 8: teach people that want to learn, versus people that who

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Speaker 8: is this guy? Yeah he's good in college, but what

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Speaker 8: has he done for me? I don't care. And then

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Speaker 8: the long run, whatever success he might have would go

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Speaker 8: to one of his teammates versus he gets the applause for.

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Speaker 8: So there's a no win situation. It would take too

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Speaker 8: much trouble. There's too many hurdles to come to la

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Speaker 8: versus staying where he is, and he could be on

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Speaker 8: the verge of having another good season to be a

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Speaker 8: three time winner, so just too much trouble to come here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bo, both stories have I think pros and cons,

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Speaker 2: and we'll just see how these issues play out, because

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going away anytime soon. We have

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Speaker 2: to see, you know, certainly the Caitlin Karth thing is

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Speaker 2: going to last the whole season and maybe beyond. And

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Speaker 2: then of course we'll see if jj Reddick takes a

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Speaker 2: Lakers job, which we believe he will, but what if

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Speaker 2: he doesn't. What if he doesn't That just perhaps shinns

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Speaker 2: a bigger spotlight on the fact that Danny Hurley said, no,

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Speaker 2: we covered all including soccer coming up Chris Perfet's World

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Speaker 2: of Soccer, But first go back to our guy, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Figures for the latest.

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Speaker 5: All right, Bernie is there will be a Game five

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Speaker 5: of the NBA Finals on Monday night. This after the

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Speaker 5: Mavericks molly wapped the Celtics one twenty two to eighty four.

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Speaker 5: Luka Donchig and Kyrie Irving actually struggled from beyond the arc,

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Speaker 5: just combining to go one of fourteen from three point range,

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Speaker 5: but the MAVs held it down defensively, holding the Celtics

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Speaker 5: to just thirty six percent shooting the out rebound Boston

526
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Speaker 5: fifty two to thirty one and one points in the paint.

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Speaker 6: Sixty to twenty six.

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Speaker 5: Celtics still leading the series three games to one, they

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Speaker 5: will be able to close it out yet again in

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Speaker 5: Boston on Monday nights and Golf's second round at the

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Speaker 5: US Open. Ludvig Obert has a one stroke lead over

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Speaker 5: Bryson Deshambeau and Patrick Cantley, while Roy McElroy is two

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Speaker 5: strokes back.

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Speaker 6: World number one.

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Speaker 5: Scottie Scheffler barely made the cut at five over, while

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Speaker 5: Tiger Woods missed the cut. And Baseball Seattle has won

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Speaker 5: five of their last six. They lead the AO West

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Speaker 5: by six and a half games after defeating Texas three

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Speaker 5: to two. The Dodgers defeated the Royals four to three

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Speaker 5: after falling behind three nothing despite committing five errors. The

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Speaker 5: Reds defeated at Milwaukee six to five for their ninth

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Speaker 5: win in their last eleven games. Chris Sale now seven

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Speaker 5: to zero at home after the Braves beat Tampa Bay

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Speaker 5: seven to three. Former Red Sock alex Erdugo with three

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Speaker 5: hits in a home run for the Yankees as a

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Speaker 5: hammer at Boston eight to one. Back to Bernie Freddo.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks Kevin. We covered all on The Bernie

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Speaker 2: Fradle Show, and as you know, each week at this

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Speaker 2: time to bring you Chris Burfetts World Soccer Dang.

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Speaker 7: The greatest goals, the thrilling finishes, the international drama.

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Speaker 9: HII at the end of the luck.

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Speaker 7: It's all here in this report from the World of Soccer.

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Speaker 13: Finally, Bernie, after all these months, we finally made it

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Speaker 13: to the international schedule that actually matters. We're talking about

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Speaker 13: UWEIFA European Championship twenty twenty four or EUROS and the

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Speaker 13: Copa America for Konmo Bowl and Conka caf here twenty

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Speaker 13: twenty four. We haven't had as much time off as

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Speaker 13: usually four years between these tournaments, but you know, because

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Speaker 13: of COVID, a lot of that were played in twenty

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Speaker 13: twenty one, so teams coming back with a little less

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Speaker 13: time off than we anticipate, which means we just get

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Speaker 13: right straight at it. Euro is beginning this weekend. There's

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Speaker 13: already been a game played. We'll talk about that one

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Speaker 13: in a second, and but here next weekend, let's try

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Speaker 13: to preview both and we're going to start with Euros

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Speaker 13: European Championship is one of my favorite tournaments in the world.

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Speaker 6: It is phenomenal.

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Speaker 13: It is like the World Cup, but on a much

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Speaker 13: smaller scale, and already Germany is off to a flying

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Speaker 13: start five to one over Scotland the game on Friday.

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Speaker 13: Scotland had some buzz coming into this contest, but man,

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Speaker 13: they let Germany handle them effortlessly. Tony Kruz free to

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Speaker 13: deal damage all day long. All you had to do

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Speaker 13: was just leave him up there and he gets an

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Speaker 13: immaculate ninety foot cross to Florian Wurtz gets the goal started.

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Speaker 13: It's the kind of teamwork which we kind of expect

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Speaker 13: to see from Germany. It'd be interesting to see how

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Speaker 13: far they can go in a tournament where they haven't

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Speaker 13: had the same kind of success as has been previous years.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 13: Italy are the defending champions and they come in licking

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Speaker 13: a lot of wounds and it wasn't really even an

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Speaker 13: easy road for them to get here. A goalless draw

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Speaker 13: against Ukraine at the end of their qualification did get

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Speaker 13: them in, but it wasn't the proud way to go in,

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Speaker 13: and they need to do some late stage homework in

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Speaker 13: the last few matches prior to that, to get the

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Speaker 13: points to get in and to be honest, the twenty

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Speaker 13: twenty championship for them is starting to feel more and

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Speaker 13: more bittersweet, and it was made more and more bittersweet

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Speaker 13: by missing out on the twenty twenty two FIFA World Cup.

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Speaker 13: It was made bittersweet by Roberto Mancini resigning a lot

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Speaker 13: of the old generation simply being lost, and by the

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Speaker 13: days as it goes by, that twenty twenty euro crown

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Speaker 13: feels just a little heavier, a little worse for wear

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Speaker 13: because it just wasn't a prelude to a good Italian club. Now, however,

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Speaker 13: we've got Luciano Spiletti and unfortunately he's dealing with the

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Speaker 13: circus already. They've been spent the week in Italy arguing

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Speaker 13: with the press about some misinterpreted words from him about

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Speaker 13: a quote PlayStation ban unquote. But it's not the same

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Speaker 13: squad as before, and this is an Italian team that

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Speaker 13: is lacking attacking options. They know, how longer have Varati,

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Speaker 13: they no longer have Incigne. They will have Jean Lucas

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Speaker 13: Scamaca nineteen goals this season for Adalanta, but he's only

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Speaker 13: scored for Italy one time so far, but this will

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Speaker 13: be a really good defensive squad. I just don't know

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Speaker 13: if that's really going to cut it in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 13: And it's really tough for me as an Italian fan

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Speaker 13: to watch this and just kind of hold my breath

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Speaker 13: wondering what's gonna go wrong. But my pick for euro

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Speaker 13: and I keep doing this and I regret it every

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Speaker 13: year though, is England. But here's the thing, if not now,

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Speaker 13: when for England. This England squad features a wonderful midfield

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Speaker 13: Jude Bellingham, Declan Rice. They have a resurgent Harry Kane

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Speaker 13: who was great in Germany this past year, the phenomenal

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Speaker 13: buyak Osaka sixteen goals for Arsenal. They came so close

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Speaker 13: in twenty twenty losing in that shootout to Italy. But

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Speaker 13: each year England comes back more loaded, more stocked up,

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Speaker 13: and much like the World Cup, you have to wonder

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Speaker 13: are they going to screw this up or are they

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Speaker 13: actually going to bring it home. You just kind of

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Speaker 13: hold your breath wondering what's going to happen. But still

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Speaker 13: on paper to the best team, they're one of the

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Speaker 13: favorites and they're my pick for Euro twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 13: Let's move over to Copa America. It's going to start

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Speaker 13: next week. There's always this is a contest that always

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Speaker 13: seems to come down to Argentina and Brazil. Argentina the

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Speaker 13: defending champions once again here. This is probably Lionel Messi's

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Speaker 13: final time with Argentina. I don't know if he's going

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Speaker 13: to be on the World Cup squad one more time,

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Speaker 13: but it's certainly going to be the last Copa for

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Speaker 13: one of the greatest players we've ever seen. Brazil always

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Speaker 13: a heavyweight in this, but let's talk about the United States,

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Speaker 13: who will be playing along with several other CONCA Caffe

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Speaker 13: nations like Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama. USA had a

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Speaker 13: one to one draw against Brazil and a friendly leading

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Speaker 13: up to this tournament. It ended in eleven game losing

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Speaker 13: streak against Brazil for the USA, so that's a good sign.

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Speaker 13: But the week prior we had a five to one

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Speaker 13: loss to Colombia and it just once again reinforces the

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Speaker 13: problem with the United States. A massive, massive, very inconsistent

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Speaker 13: and really it's kind of always been the frustration watching

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Speaker 13: a Greg bear Halter squad where you just know they

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Speaker 13: have the talent there, and they know they have the

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Speaker 13: talent to compete, but it just never really seems to

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Speaker 13: translate game to game, and you're just left stretching your

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Speaker 13: head wondering, why does this club, why does this team

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Speaker 13: who can draw even with Brazil, one of the greatest

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Speaker 13: nations in the world at soccer, and then lose five

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Speaker 13: to one to Columbia earlier than that. It never makes sense.

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Speaker 13: And this is going to be the USA playing on

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Speaker 13: its home turf here in America, this is where COPA

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Speaker 13: will be, and it just keeps going back months and months.

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Speaker 13: You can look to the game against Jamaica in March

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Speaker 13: and the speech by Greg Berhalter there as he's just

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Speaker 13: trying to get his guys in the United States to

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Speaker 13: take all of these games seriously if they are going

658
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Speaker 13: to compete at COPA. By his own admission, it seems

659
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Speaker 13: to be in one year out the other sometimes, which

660
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 13: is terrifying to think about really, because that's ultimately been

661
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Speaker 13: the problem with the United States has been this consistency.

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Speaker 13: And if I may, Bernie, where's the buzz around the

663
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Speaker 13: US men's team, the women always getting a lot of attention.

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Speaker 13: Yes we know that, but like, where is the buzz

665
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Speaker 13: around this US men's scene. This is supposedly great generation.

666
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 13: I have seen plenty of empty stadiums for a Team USA.

667
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Speaker 13: It is certainly not the kind of fan turnout we

668
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Speaker 13: used to get when it was Tim Howard and Landon

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Speaker 13: Donovan and Clinton Dempsey. It feels like that fire under

670
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 13: the fan base has just completely gone out and nobody

671
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 13: is really resonating with this current generation. This squad is

672
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 13: better than ever, and yet media attention is nowhere near

673
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Speaker 13: what it was just ten years ago with that past generation.

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Speaker 13: Nobody has really resonated with these guys right now, And

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Speaker 13: to be honest, can't really blame them when we have

676
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Speaker 13: these kind of consistency problems, because yes, Christian Pulisich is better,

677
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 13: and yes Giovanni Raina is better, even though he keeps

678
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 13: getting screwed out of a lot of playing time no

679
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Speaker 13: matter which your plep and club he goes to. But

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Speaker 13: it's really hard when you just see these guys out

681
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Speaker 13: there with a lack of fire game to game. You

682
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Speaker 13: want them to fight like dogs like Clint Dempsey did,

683
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Speaker 13: and I just I don't think that's there right now.

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Speaker 13: And that's ultimately ultimately going to hurt them in Copa.

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Speaker 13: For me, me though, on Copa, my favorite, my favorite

686
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Speaker 13: is on Brazil Venicius Junior, Rodrigo. They've had some fantastic

687
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Speaker 13: players here from the club side of things, and expect

688
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 13: again another wonderful outing from Vensius Junior. I'm kind of

689
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 13: hoping good things from this Brazil squad here, especially as

690
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 13: Argentina starts to show its age. I think if we're

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Speaker 13: just talking about the United States, you just hope to

692
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Speaker 13: see them in the knockout round and come out of

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Speaker 13: their group, which should be easy for them there playing Bolivia,

694
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Speaker 13: Panama and Uruguay. But Panama has always been trouble for

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Speaker 13: the United States for whatever reason, and Uruguay is no slouch.

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Speaker 13: That's it for me, Bernie, enjoy Copa, Enjoy Euros. We've

697
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Speaker 13: got plenty to talk about next time on the World

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Speaker 13: of Soccer.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chris brought up a lot of good points there.

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Speaker 2: But coming up we wrap up the show and we

701
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Speaker 2: might dive back into the world of hot dogs. There

702
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: might be something for you to look forward to, something

703
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: called Unfinished Beef. Yeah, I'll tell you what. Never miss

704
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: a chance to capitalize if you get my drift. And

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Speaker 2: I actually think, I actually think this little deal coming

706
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Speaker 2: up September second might just be with the doctor order.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just one thing, and Mark, you know

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Speaker 2: I love you like a fat kid love cake. But man,

709
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Speaker 2: I can't get past the ketchup on the hot dog deal. Man.

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00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: I just feel like when you put ketchup on a

711
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: hot dog, you're not enhancing the flavor. You're camouflaging it.

712
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: It's killing you.

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Speaker 8: Killing Ketchup used to be something sweet that I would take.

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Speaker 8: But once I found out ketchup is too sweet and

715
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Speaker 8: you should cut it out, then I went over to mustard.

716
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 8: But I enjoyed it because it was sweet all fair.

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00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: Man. I just I'm hung up on this one. I

718
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: just feel like ketchup on hot dogs like putting ice

719
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 2: cubes and wine. Man, so like eating pizza with a spoon, but.

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Speaker 8: If you want it cold, you want to put ice

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Speaker 8: in the wine.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for dlyving.

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Speaker 2: I could see we have I could see we have

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Speaker 2: future topics coming up here as we are no longer

725
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Speaker 2: no longer.

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Speaker 8: Some people like the little noise when they stir their

727
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 8: you know, when they swig their cup.

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Speaker 11: They tink tink, tink tin.

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Speaker 2: I learned something new. I learned something new. All right,

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Speaker 2: coming up, we wrap up the show and I share

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Speaker 2: with you an alternative to July fourth. It'll be September second,

732
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Speaker 2: and yeah, it's gonna be a big deal. I'm Bernie Friday.

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Speaker 2: We're kevity A live from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: TIREC dot Com Studios. Keep it locked. You're listening to

735
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right,

736
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Speaker 2: we are wrapping it up on the Bernie Fraddle Show.

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Speaker 2: And before I go any further, I want to thank

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Speaker 2: my broadcast team. They've been with me since eleven pm

739
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: Pacific time on a Friday night. Ian Roddy, great job

740
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: as always, and thanks for your help assisting Brie, who

741
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: joined the show tonight. She'll be back with me on

742
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: Saturday night. Here at eleven pm Pacific. We sign on

743
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: again here, eh, what about twenty two hours something like that.

744
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: We'll do the math later eleven pm Saturday night, Pacific,

745
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: eleven pm to three am. Mark Ramsey turning all the dials,

746
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: keeping U schooed together. Great job as always, and of

747
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: course Kevin figures with his updates and great job by

748
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: the crew weighing in on the Caitlin Clark situation and

749
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: Danny Hurley, among other things. And of course, hey, you

750
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: know it's a hot dog world. Man. We like hot dogs,

751
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: and you know we also so like Netflix and Chill.

752
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: Well that's there's a segue, Netflix and Chill. Well, maybe

753
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: not Netflix and Chill, but Netflix and hot dogs. Well,

754
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: turns out Netflix is getting into the competitive eating business. No,

755
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about Mike Tyson maybe biting Jake

756
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: Paul's here work with me. Labor Day, September second, two

757
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: legends of the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest, Joey Chestnut

758
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: and Takaro Kobayashi. But you didn't know his first name.

759
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: You just saw Kobayashi. They will have their center stage

760
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 2: on Netflix and a live special event called Chestnut Versus

761
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: Kobayashi and Unfinished Beef. Now, we don't know where the

762
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: this fight's gonna take place. We know we'll coach. You know,

763
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: the Tyson Fight's gonna take place in Jerry Jones World

764
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: in Dallas or Arlington. Excuse me, we still know the

765
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: specific timing, but we do know this. Netflix has said

766
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: no pun The hot dogs will be all beef, no

767
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: plant hot dogs here, Okay, so listen, you have to

768
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: know that these two guys actually went head to head,

769
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Speaker 2: Kobayashi and enjoy Chestnut for a long time, Chestnut beat

770
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Speaker 2: Kobayashi and a five hot dogs sudden death eat off.

771
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: I guess you'd call it that, right. That's the last

772
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: time that competed had to head Believe it or not,

773
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: it was two thousand and nine. So Chessnut won this

774
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: event sixteen times. Nathan's winner, including the last eight years,

775
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: not allowed to participate this year after he ate the

776
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: scholarship with Impossible Foods, which recently released a plant based dog.

777
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: So I think his absence could have an impact on

778
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: the ratings. We'll see. I think brought that up there,

779
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: somebody brought up But here's the point. Chestnuts still holds

780
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: the record for most hot dogs consumed in ten minutes

781
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: seventy six. But Kobayashi really gets Chestnuts attention. He says,

782
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: of all my years and competitive eating, Kobayashi stands out

783
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: as my fiercest rival. You compete against him. He made me.

784
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: He pushed me to be so much better Netflix giving

785
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: people what they want.

786
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 4: Okay.

787
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: So September second, even though it doesn't look like we're

788
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: gonna be able to see Joey Chestnut compete in the

789
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: Nathan's Contest. Here a week from Thursday. Two weeks from Thursday,

790
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: we'll see these two go ahead to head on September second,

791
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: and I think it'll bring up big, a big audience,

792
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: So we'll continue to follow this. Netflix is getting in

793
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: the game. Man, they ain't playing. They're in the NFL

794
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: now and Tyson, Jake, Paul and now out now the

795
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: hot Dog eating contest. All right, So it's gonna do

796
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: it for the Bernie Frattle Show. I'll be back on

797
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: these airwaves eleven PM Saturday night. We'll preview Game five.

798
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: We got the crack Man coming on. More NBA with

799
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: Mark Medina, Charles Barkley. Moving on, we'll get into this

800
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: NBA bleed money, got to talk to Major League Baseball,

801
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: this pitching freak, Paul Skins, NFL updates, plus brand new

802
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: Folan what my Name?

803
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 9: Hell?

804
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll tell the Taco Bell story two more times

805
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: because people like it, they want it. It's gonna do

806
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: for the Bernie Frattle Show. See you Saturday night, eleven pm.

807
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 2: Keep it locked up next my guy Anthony Argano, don't listening.

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Speaker 1: To Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Scheffler struggles. Scottie Scheffler struggled big time. Just makes the cut.

819
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Speaker 3: The cut line had been three and then it moved

820
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Speaker 3: to four, and then just towards the end of the

821
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Speaker 3: round two, it moves to five and he's able to

822
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Speaker 3: make the cut, but he was perilsly close to missing it.

823
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Speaker 3: After dominating the season, wins, the previous tournament, the whole thing,

824
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: and it looked like he was lapping the field when

825
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Speaker 3: it came to it. And it shows you, It shows

826
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Speaker 3: you the greatness that Tiger Woods was, Like, how incredible

827
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Speaker 3: he was that he missed, you know, like of what

828
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Speaker 3: he accomplished. So you see something like that, we see

829
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Speaker 3: Scheffler's dominance. We automatically invoked the last great dominant player

830
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Speaker 3: who was Tiger. And you know, you see Scotty come

831
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Speaker 3: down there for a little bit and you go wow, Okay,

832
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: well that's the sport. So we're talking about like the

833
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Speaker 3: humanity of it, and there's we somehow like to empathize

834
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: with golfers who struggle. So we'll be cause of the elements,

835
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Speaker 3: whether it's the course and the fats greens of Pinehurst

836
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Speaker 3: or the whipping winds that would happen in Scotland. We

837
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: kind of like that right at sports fans. Whereas if

838
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: Josh Allen is playing a twelve degree below zero weather

839
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Speaker 3: and it misses a wide open receiver, he gets crossed

840
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Speaker 3: even though he can't feel his figures.

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Speaker 9: Well, look at Tyreek Hill last year. He gets dropped

842
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 9: in a little bit of press coverage in a cold game,

843
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Speaker 9: and all of a sudden it becomes a meme that

844
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Speaker 9: just lives on right like it is interesting to me

845
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Speaker 9: and I understand. You know, Figure made a good point

846
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Speaker 9: that it's just you against you and it's you against

847
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 9: the elements and all of these things. I think, for

848
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 9: whatever reason, it's interesting to me that we have grace

849
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Speaker 9: in that situation, but not grace when somebody is being

850
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Speaker 9: chased down by a three hundred pound lineman that also,

851
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 9: by the way, you're run a forty yard dash faster

852
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 9: than most people listening could ever imagine. Right, Like, you've

853
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 9: got somebody barreling down on Scotty Scheffler. Let's see how

854
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 9: he shoots, right, Like, Let's see, let's just see in general,

855
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 9: how his round goes if instead of everybody having to

856
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 9: be completely silent around it and making sure.

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Speaker 14: That they're not disturbing Scotty, well, he gets ready to

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00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 14: shoot if instead, all of a sudden, you got somebody

859
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 14: yelling in his face in many cases in these sports,

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Speaker 14: saying the worst things that you could possibly.

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00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 9: Say to somebody, while somebody else is chasing him down

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Speaker 9: with the golf club swinging it at him. Let's see

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00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 9: how he shoots that, Yeah, Like, that's it's wild to me.

864
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Speaker 9: Man's wild. But I think it's because so many people have,

865
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Speaker 9: so many adults, particularly have fallen in love with the

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00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 9: game of golf for themselves, right and accepted the mediocrity

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Speaker 9: that most people play with as this right of passage

868
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 9: of like, hey, we're all one. It's part of the

869
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 9: golf game. It's part of what makes it beautiful. Like

870
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 9: I think it's wild. I do not understand how you

871
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 9: can be circling the wagons is the best in the

872
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 9: world and have the shortest odds we've seen and everybody's

873
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 9: in love with it, and then struggle in the tournament

874
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 9: and people be like, Oh, what's great about golf?

875
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: Bah blah.

876
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 5: I will say I wish every golf tournament was like

877
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 5: the Phoenix Open, the waste management. Yeahs yelling and screaming

878
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 5: at you. I want every time to be that way.

879
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 5: Why do golfers get a special privilege of everybody saying,

880
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: speak quiet, not in my swing. Remember Tiger Woods, someone

881
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 5: took a picture. Meanwhile the guy is standing there Game

882
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: seven to the NBA Finals with their free throw to

883
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 5: win it, and people are flashing and flashing cameras are

884
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 5: doing all sorts of stuff to distract you. Why does

885
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 5: that okay in basketball but not in golf. That's one

886
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 5: thing I've hated about golf for years. I mean, there

887
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 5: are many things I hate about golf, but that is

888
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: chief among them, the fact that everything has to be

889
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: perfect and silent when in other professional sporting setting, is

890
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 5: it like that.

891
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 4: No, you're right, and all kinds of things are going

892
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: on and you got to make a free throat, you.

893
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 9: Know, let's just let's just call it like it is.

894
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 9: All the years I was on tour, ever once never

895
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 9: once was I on stage when somebody actually flashed their movies.

896
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 9: I don't understand where it missed. Yeah, like everybody thinks

897
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 9: it's a commonplace now. Certainly I wasn't out with, you know,

898
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 9: an eighties rock band. I think that probably is part

899
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 9: of it, like the average the average crowd a little

900
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 9: different than the country music festival. But yeah, there was

901
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 9: one time somebody said somebody did, but I didn't see.

902
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 6: It, so like I, you know, were on stage at least.

903
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 9: No, no, well no, actually there was one tour where

904
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 9: some underwear came up on. It was not with the

905
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 9: band Perry, but there was some of it. But then

906
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 9: like that's weird, like did you like, how did that

907
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 9: make it up on? I don't know. I just I'm

908
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 9: just saying I missed out on that entire experience.

909
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: I want to go I gotta tell you, that's why

910
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: I imagine.

911
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 4: I just imagined you were like in Sea a Pennies.

912
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, I wish there's there's. It was just not like

913
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 9: a couple of things compounded. Number one, Especially for the

914
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 9: peak of my success in music, I was touring with

915
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 9: you know, a band that was We were often called

916
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 9: the Milk and Cookies Tour because it's not like any

917
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 9: of us really partied that hard our music. It certainly

918
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 9: didn't have an audience that is out there flashing and

919
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 9: like I played the fiddle, let's be realized, it wasn't

920
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 9: the drummer. So, like, you know, it just feels like

921
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 9: I lost all my street credit. But I want to

922
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 9: go back to Figgy said earlier, like there's this moment

923
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 9: when you walk into you guys are talking about walking

924
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 9: into the gym and playing basketball. What's interesting to me

925
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 9: is from the minute most of us walk into the

926
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 9: gym and play basketball, we have a pretty good understanding

927
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 9: of who we are the minute we walk into that

928
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 9: gym and what we're gonna have to do to excel.

929
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 9: Even at the lowest level, you're just playing in a

930
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 9: church league, You're walking into a random YMCA, you're playing

931
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 9: like I know the minute I walk in is a

932
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 9: five nine hundred and sixty five pounds white guy that

933
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 9: does not particularly exude athleticism. When I walk in, I

934
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 9: know that I'm gonna have to run like crazy, I'm

935
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 9: gonna have to play a good dee. I'm gonna have

936
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 9: to do all of the cliches before I'll even see

937
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 9: the ball, right. But that's just part of what the

938
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 9: process is. It's part of what you enjoy about it.

939
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 9: Like we fall in love with that in golf. What's

940
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 9: amazing to me is how many of my friends are

941
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 9: not good golfers, but they have it in their head.

942
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 9: You know, I played pretty well today. It's like there's

943
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 9: this delusion around the entire game that I don't understand.

944
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 9: Like if you're if you're struggling to break a hundred

945
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 9: when you're playing golf, news flash, you're not very good

946
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 9: at this. Like you're just really walking around on grass,

947
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 9: swinging the club at the ball and getting angry all day.

948
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 9: I don't see how that's relaxing.

949
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 4: You're fun, Yeah, I listen. I'm not a golfer.

950
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: I would love to be a golfer, but like you, Fitz,

951
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: I think this is where we we have a lot

952
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: in common, and and I gotta believe figure you're you're

953
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: kind of like this, although I think you're you're decent

954
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: at it, so it keeps you coming back.

955
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: You got like a bug.

956
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: I haven't gotten a bug yet because I stink right,

957
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: And I refuse to go out to do something I'm

958
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: bad at, like really bad at, because I don't find it.

959
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: It's not about pride or anything else. I just don't

960
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: find it enjoying. I don't enjoy it. And I love

961
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: the sport. I love watching it. I'll go play a

962
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: video game. I'll go play Tiger Woods, right.

963
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 9: I play right, but I won't.

964
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: I can't play because I'm not good. And with that sport,

965
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: you need to work at it. I don't have the

966
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 3: time to work.

967
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 4: I don't have the time.

968
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: I got two kids, I'm running around after and there's

969
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: no way in.

970
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: The world I'll have time to play to even get good.

971
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 9: Now.

972
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: I don't know down the line. My wife asked me

973
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: the other day, She's like, what are you gonna When

974
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: are you gonna pick it up? When are you gonna

975
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: start playing? I'm like, the minute you know, I'm not

976
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: running from tournament to tournament and you.

977
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: Know, work out the workout, you know, maybe you know

978
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: it's not a sport where you can just you know cold,

979
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: you know, after not doing anything for six months.

980
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 5: It's not like basketball. You can get on the cord

981
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 5: warm up for a few minutes and ay, I found

982
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 5: my stroke again. It's not it's not one of ours.

983
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: Because you can practice muscile memory memory, hit the driving

984
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 5: range every day for two months and a hitch, have

985
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 5: your best round on Sunday, go back out there on

986
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 5: Tuesday and be awful, Like that's that's just you know,

987
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 5: you have to be okay with Phil you're to a

988
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 5: certain degree and just know and just hope and pray

989
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 5: that you continue to have progress. I had a bad

990
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 5: day today, but man I hit a great couple of

991
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 5: days ago. How can I get back to that? So

992
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 5: that's kind of the drive that it gets you to.

993
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 5: I have no designs of it. I know I'm I'm

994
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: not great, I'm not I'm not even good. I think

995
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 5: I'm halfway decent some of the time. Is the best

996
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 5: way to.

997
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: Tap you, like, you got to that point right, And

998
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: this is the thing, FITZI that I haven't gotten to

999
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 3: and because I refuse to go out and and put

1000
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: myself out there once or twice a year.

1001
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 4: But what, like what Figgie's talking about, is that.

1002
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: One shot or that one hole that keeps you coming back, Like,

1003
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 3: because if you could get that's very real. Like if

1004
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: you can get that one shot and you go, damn,

1005
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: that was a good shot, man, and then you all

1006
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: of a sudden you par a hole, you feel like

1007
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: all right, and that's what keeps I'm sure that's what

1008
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: keeps you going back.

1009
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 9: Here's the thing, though, you're describing my actual personal health,

1010
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 9: because like for me growing up the way I did,

1011
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 9: especially you know, playing classical music as a kid, Classical

1012
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 9: music is about precision, and it's about controlling the controllables.

1013
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 9: And the thing in my life that I've always really

1014
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 9: taken pride in is that there are certain things you

1015
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 9: can control. You can always control your effort, you can

1016
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 9: always control the attitude you bring to everything. You can

1017
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 9: always control the work. And I've said for years I

1018
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 9: may not be the most talented at anything I ever do,

1019
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 9: but I won't be out worked, and I'll have a

1020
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 9: smile on my face while I do it, and I

1021
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 9: will consistently do things the right way. Because that's the

1022
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 9: only way you can get to the best of what

1023
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 9: you can do at anything. So for me, whether we're

1024
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 9: talking about Madden, like I used to play Madden for

1025
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 9: money for years like that, that's for me very passionate

1026
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 9: about that, right, Like, but I took the time to

1027
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 9: get good at it, and I like I sat back

1028
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 9: and I was like, I'm going to be I am

1029
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 9: going to beat you at Madden mercilessly no matter what happens.

1030
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 9: That's how I am, right And so lunch money, yeah,

1031
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 9: one hundred percent. You know, in you know, when I

1032
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 9: was in high school, I played spades for money, Like

1033
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 9: I didn't lay around with that. Like, if we're playing spades, like,

1034
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 9: there's gonna be a very So I'm a very competitive

1035
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 9: person when it comes to things that you can control.

1036
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 9: But for me, coming into something where you're like, hey,

1037
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 9: you know, one day you're gonna be good at it,

1038
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 9: the next day you're not, No, that's hell, Like that

1039
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 9: is absolutely because I'm going to control all the controllables

1040
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 9: and I'm gonna put in the work. I want to

1041
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 9: know that there's a tangible return that I can bank on,

1042
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 9: and I can bank on consistence as a person, I

1043
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 9: bank on routine and consistency, So golf is just gonna

1044
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 9: be like that is. If I die and go to Hell,

1045
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 9: I'm gonna show up, and my version of hell is

1046
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 9: going to be somebody hands me a golf club and

1047
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 9: it's like congratulations for eternity. Some days you're gonna be

1048
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 9: good and some days you're gonna be bad. That would

1049
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 9: drive me absolutely nuts.

1050
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 5: It's so funny because in every other aspect of my

1051
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 5: life I'm that way fits. I love consistency, I love

1052
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 5: a routine, and I acknowledge going into playing around, I

1053
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 5: have no idea how today's gonna shake out. And there's

1054
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 5: something about that that is invigorating to me. I don't

1055
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 5: know what it is. It's like I can go I

1056
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 5: can go out, and I can I can shoot at

1057
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 5: sixty today it ain't happening, but asked that it might happen,

1058
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 5: that I might have the greatest game of my life,

1059
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 5: and I can save that scorecard and look look amazing,

1060
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 5: and they can post it up in the clubhouse and

1061
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: say this, Joe Schmoe from nowhere did this. It is

1062
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 5: like I said, it's never gonna happen. I can acknowledge that,

1063
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 5: but the hope that it might kind of keeps me going.

1064
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 5: How am I going to look today? Can I improve

1065
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 5: upon the last time I played out here? Maybe I don't,

1066
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 5: and that's fine if I don't, but there's a chance

1067
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 5: that I will. That's just one of the few occasions

1068
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 5: where I can have everything planned out. I know for

1069
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 5: a fact, whether I feel like I'm doing the right

1070
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 5: thing over and over again or not. It may have

1071
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 5: the same result, it may be better, it may be worse,

1072
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: but it keeps me going for whatever reason. It's the

1073
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 5: unknown that kind of keeps me going. But that's unlike

1074
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 5: everything else in my life. To your point, I love

1075
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 5: to have everything as under control as possible. That's just

1076
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 5: one of the few times, a few occasions where I

1077
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 5: kind of just leave it, almost literally into the wind

1078
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 5: and see what happens, and I'm okay with it.

1079
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 9: When I was a little kid and I was starting

1080
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 9: to excel at the violin and classical music, one of

1081
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 9: the principles that I was taught that I had to do,

1082
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 9: and I started at Juilliard as a kid, was take

1083
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 9: one measure of music, which is four beats. If anybody

1084
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 9: can count one, two, three, four, it's four beats. That's it.

1085
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 9: Take one measure of music and you had to play

1086
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 9: it right one hundred consecutive times, and if you screwed

1087
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 9: it up, once the count started over, and at the

1088
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 9: end of eight hours of practice, you had to get

1089
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 9: that one measure one hundred consecutive times exactly perfect. Any

1090
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 9: tiny mistake starts it over. So if it's a tough

1091
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 9: measure of music that you're really struggling with, at the

1092
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 9: end of eight hours, you might add you might tack

1093
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 9: on another two hours of practice if you can't get

1094
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 9: a hundred times right in a row. That's the model

1095
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 9: of consistency that I was raised with. That's why golf

1096
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 9: is impossible for me, because like everything you're describing of

1097
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 9: like the hope and the like, I don't hope, I

1098
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 9: plan right like I just as a personality, I don't

1099
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 9: hope for anything. I go in and say, hey, I'm

1100
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 9: gonna I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna do it

1101
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 9: so well, so consistently, like I want golf. If I

1102
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 9: would play golf every day, even if I knew that

1103
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 9: my score was always gonna be one ten, I would

1104
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 9: I would play it every day at least because I

1105
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 9: knew consistently. Hey, I'm gonna be between one away behind.

1106
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 5: That's but see that's also that's what the sport for

1107
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 5: Anthey like where the sports psychology comes into it too,

1108
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 5: because planning a lot of guys do that They visualization

1109
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 5: is huge for a lot of people in professional sports

1110
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 5: and even college sports. At this point, I say, visualize

1111
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 5: yourself catching twelve balls for one hundred and seventy yards

1112
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 5: at four touchdowns today. Visualize that play happening before it

1113
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 5: actually happens. Visualize you hitting that fastball off of Marianna Rivera.

1114
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 5: Like all that's and it's important. You think it's nothing.

1115
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 5: It's a really big deal for them to visualize themselves.

1116
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 6: Having a good day. I really don't think that deeply

1117
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 6: about it.

1118
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 5: But I'm also not a professional making millions of dollars

1119
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 5: that the amount of pressure isn't on me. I wasn't

1120
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 5: an aspiring musician going to Juilliard, you know what I mean.

1121
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 5: That's a different kind of pressure. You know, I'm just

1122
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 5: out there just trying to hit a couple of balls

1123
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: around and see what happens on a random Saturday.

1124
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting what you're described because I can

1125
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 3: completely relate right, like we say it fake. What fits

1126
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 3: he's talking about is completely like he had to train

1127
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: his mind, like he's almost a beautiful mind, right, Like

1128
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: you're twisted, like you know, like and to do that,

1129
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: to take what you've done at Juilliard, which is an

1130
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: amazing accomplishment, like just an amazing sense of discipline, Like

1131
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: that's a display of discipline what you've done, right, But

1132
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: like that, you need to separate what Figgi say. It's like, listen,

1133
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: there's part pieces of my life that I'm like that,

1134
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: but I separated on the golf course and you can't

1135
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: separate it.

1136
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 9: It probably be like as we're sitting here having a

1137
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 9: group therapy for me, you're not wrong. I'm gonna bring

1138
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 9: this something next time because it would probably be super

1139
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 9: healthy for me to just like way often get asked

1140
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 9: people all the time are like what do you do

1141
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 9: for fun? And I'm like, well, I you know, I

1142
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 9: like going to concerts and you know, watching sports. And

1143
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 9: they're like, yeah, the two things you've done for a living.

1144
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 9: What do you do for fun? And I'm like, go

1145
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 9: to concerts and watch live sports Like that's it. Like

1146
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 9: so you're right, like it'd probably be the healthyason. Look

1147
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 9: at this, you know what the fellas, I'm gonna get

1148
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 9: on a golf course and all of a sudden a

1149
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 9: year for around boom, like I'm gonna be a casual

1150
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 9: now it'll never happen. You know, they can't teach this

1151
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 9: whole dog new tricks, but I'll try.

1152
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 3: I got a new train. I'll guarantee you. I would

1153
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 3: bet on this. I'll see what Brad has to say.

1154
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 3: I believe that at some point in your life you

1155
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: will be an obsessive golfer. Nice, look, I'm only you

1156
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: might say it's two and a half to one. I'll

1157
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: take the odds. I think because I can see your personality.

1158
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: You have a personality where you'll dive into something and

1159
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: all it takes is one moment of weakness that finds

1160
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: you on the course and you have one shot that

1161
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: is good, and then you'll get a bug. And then

1162
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: once you get a bug, you'll be golfing every day.

1163
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 9: Dude, you're describing a good friend of mine that for

1164
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 9: years was the bass player for the Brothers Osbourne and

1165
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 9: a country band on the road, and he played golf

1166
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 9: and he's like, you know what, I'm gonna get good

1167
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 9: to that. Six months later he had a whole simulator

1168
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 9: in his garage and like every day, just our and

1169
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 9: hours like, look suddenly, Pam, the fellas, I'm gonna be

1170
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 9: the I'm gonna be the ringer for the fellas in

1171
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 9: a couple of years. All of a sudden, I'll step

1172
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 9: on the course and Pam, I'll strike fear into the

1173
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 9: hearts of my opponents.

1174
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 6: From the amateur towards of the masters. Jason fits and unfortunately.

1175
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 9: Time I'll just stick with the edibles in the cart.

1176
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 9: That gets us at least gets us on the grass

1177
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 9: and just.

1178
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 4: Show we're clear.

1179
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 3: Fig you have no chance now, not because you are

1180
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 3: you don't have the capacity to do it, but because

1181
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: you will not have the time to do it.

1182
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 4: Daddy, all right, trust me.

1183
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 5: Trust the time on the course at the driving range

1184
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 5: has gone down significantly already, and it's going to continue

1185
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 5: to dip.

1186
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 4: I fully acknowledge that, baby dip. That's right, all right,

1187
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: my brother, Happy Father's Day. It's your first Father's Day.

1188
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 4: It's it's one of the greatest, greatest moments, and you're

1189
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: gonna love it.

1190
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: It's just you'll never be fit. See when Fitz he

1191
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: does pick up Gough. He will surpass both of us absolutely.

1192
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 4: So that's the truth.

1193
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: All right, fellas, we got to get into quarterbacks. I

1194
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 3: do have a Father's Day man thing that I want

1195
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 3: to go with your next hour, all right. I got

1196
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: five questions you remember the five figy you used to

1197
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: be the four.

1198
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, now I made it five.

1199
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: I got five questions for you that will run by

1200
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 3: next hour, all right, in honor of the dads. But

1201
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: I want to get into quarterbacks for a second.

1202
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 4: Coming up.

1203
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: First, I want to give you a stat about Trevor Lawrence,

1204
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: and then I want to dive into the top ten

1205
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: and like who's really the top ten? Who would you

1206
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: love right now? And who do you love? And who

1207
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: needs work? I want to kind of dive into the quarterbacks.

1208
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: I just love talking quarterbacks right here or the fellas

1209
00:57:52,520 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: hanging out Fox Sports Radio. Mark, all right, so uh,

1210
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: I let it go because I Mark tell the story why.

1211
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 11: I was just good for a while. Just going to

1212
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 11: hear that echo again, that's all.

1213
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: So my mic was off right, it was off kilter,

1214
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: right the Mark and so Mike, so Marco's you you

1215
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 3: you're you sound like a rapper, the way you the

1216
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 3: way your the way your mic was going. So I

1217
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: fixed the uh, the dials or whatever and uh and

1218
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 3: then I I was rapping that song his uncle grand

1219
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: master flash right, and so I was doing a couple

1220
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,959
Speaker 3: of verses and he and Mark started laughing, and that's

1221
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: why he played that coming out.

1222
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 9: Can I tell you I have always wanted to do

1223
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 9: a uh charity event? And I used to propose this

1224
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 9: all the time to my coworkers DESPN. We can never

1225
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 9: get it worked out. But I've always wanted to do

1226
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 9: cherioke carried charity karaoke right, like where you just you

1227
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 9: can put up like the zoom thing so that people

1228
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 9: can donate and request songs and you have like marginally

1229
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 9: famous people singing terrible karaoke. I now really want to

1230
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 9: do that with you, specifically so the world can hear

1231
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 9: you rap. I just I think there are certain things

1232
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 9: that we need and this is now on that list.

1233
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll do it. I would do it. I

1234
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: did for Mark right, Mark?

1235
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 6: Absolutely?

1236
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 4: How about Mark? Mark? Not bad? Right?

1237
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 9: The words we'll call you, Oh, you just gotta We'll

1238
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 9: call you that. That says everything right there.

1239
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: That's the front room, roaches in the back, chunkies in

1240
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: the alley with the baseball bats.

1241
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 4: See.

1242
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 9: The thing of it is like you've got that Philly

1243
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 9: Italian thing where you could like, this is the problem.

1244
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 9: I wish. I wish I could rap. I really do.

1245
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 9: And there have been times wrap no, no, you.

1246
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 4: Love I love this. You know. I'm a fan of it.

1247
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 4: So I was a fan of the genre.

1248
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 9: I'm just saying, when you say some things, it sounds

1249
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 9: cool just because of the way you talk. Like you

1250
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 9: hear my voice, I sound like a twelve year old

1251
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 9: pre pubescent.

1252
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, well I sound funny to you.

1253
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 9: No, you sound you sound ass kicking right, Like there's

1254
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,479
Speaker 9: just this level of like like, there's just a level,

1255
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 9: there's a swag, there's a cool factor to it. That's

1256
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 9: what That's what you've got that. I'm just saying, we're

1257
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 9: there's an untapped market here for the fellas to go.

1258
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 9: I'll just be the hype guy in the back and

1259
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 9: I'll be like, what what That's what I'll do over

1260
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 9: and over and over again, because that's all I should

1261
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 9: do in that situation.

1262
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: But you've got the gold.

1263
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 4: That's funny, all right, So let me give you this.

1264
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 3: I was stunned by this, and I'm curious to see

1265
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: what you guys think one quarterback. All right, So if

1266
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: I told you that Lawrence first forty eight career starts,

1267
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: you ready, He's got twelve thousand yards, sixty six total touchdowns,

1268
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: fifty five turnovers, and his team averaged twenty points a game, right,

1269
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: sixty three percent completion percentage. Then I gave his other team,

1270
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: this other quarterback sixty three per percent completion percentage, twelve

1271
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: fourteen yards as opposed to twelve thousand, two hundred yards,

1272
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: sixty four total touchdowns as opposed to sixty six, both

1273
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 3: fifty five turnovers, and the team his team averaged nineteen

1274
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 3: point six points as opposed to twenty point three. Can

1275
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: you guess who that other quarterback is? And the hint,

1276
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: we've been trying to replace him for certainly the last

1277
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 3: couple years, and he would have been replaced if they

1278
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: had a higher pick.

1279
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 9: Dak Prescott, Daniel Jones.

1280
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones ding ding very good fit. See you got it.

1281
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 9: Oh man, go ahead, go ahead.

1282
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 4: Well that that Lawrence and Daniel Jones have the exact

1283
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: same numbers that I didn't realize. That's insane.

1284
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 9: Here's the crazy part about it is to me, I

1285
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 9: was covering the draft of the year that Trevor Lawrence

1286
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 9: was selected, and I remember saying live on the broadcast,

1287
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 9: the Jags will ruin Trevor Lawrence before Trevor Lawrence will

1288
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 9: ruin the Jags, right like I truly believe that the

1289
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 9: talent of Trevor Lawrence. I stood on the field when

1290
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 9: he won national championships. I've seen it up close than

1291
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 9: in person. I think Trevor Lawrence's talent is without question.

1292
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 9: I also that this is the problem, and this is

1293
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 9: why when I interviewed Max Crosby a few years ago,

1294
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 9: one thing Max said to me while we were getting tattoos.

1295
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 9: He said, Man, no one ever forgets the number by

1296
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 9: your name where you were picked. They will judge you

1297
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 9: by it forever, right or wrong. There is this moment

1298
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 9: where we understand the talent of Trevor Lawrence. We understand

1299
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 9: why he was the first overall pick. We understand that

1300
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 9: he was so good that in the college at the

1301
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 9: college level, there were genuinely people trying to get his

1302
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 9: family to sue the league to change the rules so

1303
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 9: he could come out after his freshman year. That's how

1304
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 9: good Trevor Lawrence was coming in two things can be

1305
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 9: true at the same time. It is possible that we

1306
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 9: could say all of that praising Trevor Lawrence and then

1307
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 9: also say, but guess what hasn't really come together in

1308
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 9: the NFL yet the way it should have. Now I understand,

1309
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 9: you know, some quarterback is better than no quarterback. Look

1310
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 9: at the organizations like my beloved Raiders that this year

1311
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 9: are going to watch Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Minshew battle

1312
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 9: it out. So I understand that it's not simple, but

1313
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 9: there is this system here where you've got to step

1314
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 9: back and look at it and say, Okay, I know

1315
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 9: he's wildly talented, I know how great he's supposed to be,

1316
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 9: but it has not resulted in what it should have

1317
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 9: resulted in so far. So now I think what the

1318
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 9: Jags have told you with that deal is that, frankly,

1319
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 9: it's not gonna be Trevor Lawrence's fault like it's gonna

1320
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 9: be Doug Peterson's fault. Right, So it's interesting to me

1321
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 9: that they did this deal then, because frankly, I still think,

1322
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 9: as crazy as it sounds, there is some level of

1323
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 9: got to see it at the NFL level around Trevor Lawrence.

1324
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 9: And I don't think that's unfair.

1325
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: Unfeubt, not unfair at all. In fact, you saw the

1326
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 3: potential deal that he's going to get. It's ridiculous, right. Uh,

1327
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm completely disappointed by Trevor Lawrence. Now, I don't know

1328
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: if that's Doug, right, I don't know. I mean the

1329
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: interesting thing about Doug is he's got a great temperament, right,

1330
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: and he's an Andy Reid protege, and he was a quarterback,

1331
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: so you know, he's got a lot of the good resume.

1332
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 3: He won a Super Bowl in Philadelphia. He also presided

1333
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 3: over the downfall of Carson Wentz and now suddenly the

1334
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: diminishing returns with Trevor Lawrence. Now, I think Wentz was

1335
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: more his own doing and his own head.

1336
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 5: I mean, once got off to a great start, and

1337
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 5: Doug has to get some credit for that part, too, right,

1338
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, So a devastating injury and locker room

1339
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 5: politics and a bunch of other things that may may.

1340
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 4: And I think and I think it's his fault.

1341
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Fitz, I think it's I think it's Wentz

1342
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: his fault why he flopped, because he was stubborn and

1343
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: it was his own ego and and there's always answer.

1344
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: But all that said, Doug was the coach that presided

1345
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: as he went from a top pick and showed flashes

1346
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 3: of an MVP.

1347
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 4: He if he says healthy that year, he's the MVP.

1348
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 4: And he turns into a flop. And now you got Lawrence,

1349
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 4: and Lawrence is turning into a not a sop, but disappointment.

1350
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: I want to say, an average quarterback at best at

1351
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 5: this point in time. Now, how much of that responsibility

1352
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 5: falls on Doug and how much of it falls on

1353
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 5: Trevor too. There's some personal responsibility goes into it as well.

1354
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 5: Now you watched do a great show with Brian Baldinger,

1355
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 5: Do you guys break down film? I don't know if

1356
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 5: you guys have done a deep dive on Trevor Lawrence

1357
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 5: or not. Someone whose opinions I trust in these situations

1358
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 5: who I know watch his film is Greg Cosell and

1359
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 5: he says that Trevor Lawrence got so much hype coming

1360
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 5: out of high school as overall recruit because he won

1361
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 5: a national championship his first year at Clemson. He did

1362
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 5: have a very good college career. People put the expectation

1363
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 5: on him that he was going to be the next

1364
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck, a generational type of talent,

1365
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: and the film in College never showed that. It showed

1366
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 5: that he could be a really good player, and some

1367
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 5: of the flaws that stood out back then are kind

1368
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 5: of showing themselves now. It doesn't mean that he can't

1369
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 5: get better, that he won't be a very good quarterback,

1370
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 5: but the idea that he was a generational wants every

1371
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 5: thirty year kind of talent.

1372
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 4: I disagree with Greg. I know Greg, I like him

1373
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 4: a lot.

1374
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we both are in the uh in I say

1375
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: in the NFL films. I respect him, and mentally I

1376
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 3: think he does a really good job breaking the film down.

1377
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 3: I disagree with this notion that you know those flaws

1378
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 3: he if you break down just what he does right,

1379
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: just his gifts of a quarterback, well well that's the point,

1380
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: Like his gifts should have should make him a generational

1381
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: quarterback because he can make every throw, like there's not

1382
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: a throw we can't make.

1383
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 4: If you watch, and he showed that at Clemson he

1384
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 4: could make.

1385
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 3: Now where the windows wider, he asked they wear, but

1386
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 3: he could make every throw he he's got. He's a

1387
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 3: tremendous athlete. He's got great touch on his on his ball,

1388
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 3: but he's made a ton of mistakes and that is

1389
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: a lot of I think on him and whoever coaching

1390
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: he's got, whether it's Arbis Meyer or Doug.

1391
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 9: But but let me be clear here, guys, I don't

1392
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 9: even think that I'm not even saying that Doug Peterson

1393
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 9: is going to fail in this situation. What I am

1394
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 9: saying is that as an organization, the Jags cannot give

1395
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 9: Trevor Lawrence that kind of money and then have anything

1396
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 9: less than results that support that kind of money. So

1397
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 9: to me, they put all of their eggs in the

1398
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 9: basket of Look, if there's going to be somebody blamed

1399
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 9: if the Jags do not take a step forward, if

1400
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 9: the Jags are not who the Jags should be moving forward,

1401
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 9: the organization has told you that the problem is not

1402
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 9: the quarterback. And in the NFL, when the problem is

1403
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 9: not the quarterback gets the coach. So to me, if

1404
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 9: you're just doing the math, one plus one equals three.

1405
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 9: Right in my mind, Trevor Lawrence, they've shown you, Hey,

1406
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 9: he's all pocketed in that means Doug Peterson's on hot seat.

1407
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 9: At this point, you've got to get results. You don't

1408
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 9: have a quarterback that's now the highest paid or amongst

1409
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 9: the highest paid. Let's see how it all average is

1410
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 9: out and not have all of the pressure fall at

1411
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 9: the seat of court your coach, who's also, by the way,

1412
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 9: supposed to be the guy that was brought in to

1413
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 9: get the most out of that quarterback who you just

1414
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 9: rewarded because you think he's not the problem.

1415
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1416
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 5: Well, and the crazy part is there's nobody left to

1417
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 5: reset the market. I mean at this point, if you're

1418
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 5: going to give him the highest average annual value to

1419
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 5: go along with Joe Burrow, I mean, all the big

1420
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 5: name guys have already signed their extensions to this point.

1421
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 6: Say for dak if you.

1422
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 5: Want to put Dack in that category in because he's

1423
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 5: a quarterback, that might end up being the going rate.

1424
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 5: I wonder if Jacksonville feels like, at this point in

1425
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 5: time we signed him to an extension, it's inflated. Now

1426
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 5: we're betting on him improving so much that in three

1427
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 5: years when he is a top five quarterback, this contract

1428
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 5: is going to end up being a bargain. Like you said, Anthony,

1429
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 5: that's what I think they're betting on. Have you seen

1430
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 5: anything in these first few years to say that I haven't.

1431
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 5: I'd almost rather just play it out for another year

1432
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 5: before giving an extension. I'd rather have him show me

1433
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 5: first and then have to overpay, then having to overpay

1434
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 5: now and hope that he gets better. Because if to

1435
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 5: your point fits, if you overpay now and he doesn'

1436
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 5: and he's terrible or average, however you want to describe

1437
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 5: him for the next three seasons after this, well, now

1438
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 5: you're paying top dollar for an average quarterback.

1439
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 3: Okay, but here, but here's the only issue with that,

1440
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: And I feel you, and it makes you know fiscal sense.

1441
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 3: The only thing is, like FITZI said, if he's a

1442
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: flop this year, dougs out, Well.

1443
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, because somebody has to be this game goading, and

1444
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 5: it's not gonna be the guy you just gave two

1445
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy five million dollars.

1446
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 6: You don't understand that.

1447
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: But even if you, even if you don't pay him, right,

1448
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: you let it play out and and he does not

1449
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 3: play well?

1450
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 4: Right, say he just is average?

1451
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 6: Right, he's what he has been?

1452
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, nothing dramatic either way. Dougs out, but

1453
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 3: you're gonna come back with Lawrence again. Right, So so

1454
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 3: he's coming back next year regardless.

1455
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 5: But you didn't have to slap all this money. You

1456
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 5: can he added an additional couple of years left. You

1457
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 5: could franchise tag him if you were unsure as to

1458
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 5: what the future was going to be. You didn't necessarily

1459
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 5: necessarily have to get out in front and do this now,

1460
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 5: because it sets you and it puts you behind the

1461
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 5: eight ball in case he does not continue to progress,

1462
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 5: regardless of who the coach is.

1463
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 3: Almost I hear you, I almost feel like I think

1464
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 3: there's a pressure to marry.

1465
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 5: Him because he was a top overall pick because what

1466
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 5: you invested.

1467
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, but of his ability, right, yeah, the possibility. I'm sorry,

1468
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 4: go ahead, guys.

1469
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 9: No, but you're saying marry him, And I hear that.

1470
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 9: I'm just saying right now, if I was the dad

1471
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 9: in the room, I say, hey, if you two want

1472
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 9: to get married, there's nothing wrong with the long engagement

1473
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 9: to me play out another year and then franchise and

1474
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 9: then if you're gonna do a historic and athlete's never

1475
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 9: going to walk away from a historic contract, so that

1476
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 9: doesn't matter if that comes this year, next year. And

1477
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 9: I hear the get ahead of it, Get ahead of it,

1478
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 9: get ahead of it. I understand all of that. If

1479
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 9: you're trying to save, you know, the five or ten

1480
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 9: million dollars you'll be saving by doing it this year

1481
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 9: instead of next year, that's that's fine. I get some

1482
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 9: of the logic around it. But the other side of

1483
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 9: it is, if you are tied into a revolving door coach,

1484
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 9: then you're never going to get the most out of

1485
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 9: the quarterback. If the quarterback isn't excelling the way that

1486
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 9: the quarterback needs to excel, you shouldn't invest in them.

1487
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 9: I'm not sure the infrastructure is there in Jacksonville in

1488
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 9: a way that will take advantage of whatever this situation is.

1489
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 9: And now they've got to build a roster around a

1490
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 9: massive quarterback contract. Sorry, I'm not even sure if they're

1491
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 9: GMS capable of doing that. So, while I understand, you

1492
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 9: got to have a quarterback, and it's not as simple

1493
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 9: as just go back to the draft. Trevor Lawrence is

1494
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 9: not a bust right now, but there has to be

1495
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 9: some concern of, hey, are you putting enough around Trevor Lawrence,

1496
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 9: which is something we didn't think we'd be saying going

1497
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 9: into year five of his career.

1498
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 5: And I'm just gonna say, if you're going to overpay

1499
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 5: for what you consider it to be average, you at

1500
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 5: least want to see the tangible result. If Miami were

1501
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 5: to give this contract to Toua Tagoba Ala, you'd say, Wow,

1502
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 5: I don't know if.

1503
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Speaker 6: It was worth all that.

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Speaker 5: And it's like, well, consider the production that he's had

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Speaker 5: these last couple of seasons.

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Speaker 6: Is he a great quarterback?

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Speaker 9: No?

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 5: But does he excel in that system and is there

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01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 5: a proven track record of what he can do with

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 5: those weapons around him? Yes, So it will make that

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01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 5: contract more justifiable. It's very difficult to find even a

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Speaker 5: serviceable or a good quarterback, let alone a great one.

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01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 5: So if you find a good one, unfortunately, you just

1514
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 5: have to overpay for him.

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 6: That's just what the market is.

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 5: But for someone who's average, like Trevor Lawrence's band, to

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01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 5: give him that sort of contract when he hasn't come

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01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 5: close to that sort of production, that's just a risky handle.

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 3: Various things like his his numbers are very average, his

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 3: results obviously are average, but within the average, you see

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 3: glimpses of really good.

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 5: Right, So it's about marrying him with the right person

1523
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 5: that can bring it out of him.

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Speaker 3: And that and coming up, I'm wanting to bring this

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01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 3: up to the into the conversation, which is the Shanahan

1526
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,959
Speaker 3: Andy Reid impact versus those other coaches and what impact

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 3: it has because you look at rock Party and we

1528
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: were talking. Is brock perty a top ten quarterback? I

1529
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 3: think you have to put him in the top ten.

1530
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 3: And we'll get to it because it's a great conversation.

1531
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: And when you compare it to a guy like Lawrence

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 3: who's got all the skill sets, you go, is it

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: the coach or is it the kid? Where the Fellas

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1542
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: figures Jason fits Anthony Gargana.

1543
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 4: Uh, the Lawrence things.

1544
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 3: So interesting because figure you asked about the tape and

1545
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 3: so Baldy and I had done something with Lawrence And

1546
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: it was after the super Bowl and we went back

1547
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 3: and we were looking the thing that's the biggest mistakes

1548
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 3: were almost between his head right Like there was a

1549
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 3: play you guys might remember this where he audible to

1550
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 3: the fourth and one and he audibles to play. He

1551
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 3: runs different plays and he ran a sneak and he

1552
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 3: got stuffed and like he was almost going rogue at

1553
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 3: times and trying to do too much, trying to hit

1554
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 3: grand slams and forcing plays down the field. I you know,

1555
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,440
Speaker 3: it's almost like he needs a complete reset.

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 4: Now. I don't know that his weapons.

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 3: It was funny I heard my man, I love Chris

1558
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 3: and Rob the Odd couple are good friends of mine.

1559
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 3: Heard Chris talking about his weapons, and I go, his

1560
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 3: weapons are okay.

1561
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Gabe Davis guy. I don't think

1562
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 4: Gabe Davis anything.

1563
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 3: Christian Kirks is one dimensional and I like Brian Thompson

1564
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas, but.

1565
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 4: He's a rookie.

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01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 3: So I don't know that his weapons are all that.

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01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: I mean, they're decent, they're okay, but it's more like

1568
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 3: I think he needs to be reset and a guy

1569
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 3: like Shanahan or Andy Reid, you know, like he's begging

1570
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 3: for one of those guys.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. And one of the things too, though, is when

1572
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,520
Speaker 9: you talk about the weapons, you have to acknowledge that

1573
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 9: the way rosters are built, by year four or five,

1574
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 9: you should be at a spot where it's the quarterback

1575
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 9: elevating the weapons around him, right, And that's not an

1576
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 9: unfair expectation fair across the league. So that only speaks

1577
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 9: the fact that we are now talking about the weapons

1578
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 9: around Trevor Lawrence only speaks to the fact that the

1579
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 9: Trevor Lawrence thing hasn't come together the way that it

1580
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 9: should have. And that's just agreed. There's a million reasons. Well,

1581
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 9: I think Erbin Meyer is still a huge part of

1582
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 9: the problem here, and I also think that the Clemson

1583
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 9: coaching that wasn't necessarily like Clemson was one of those places.

1584
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 9: And when he left Clemson, some of the smart college

1585
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 9: football analysts kept saying at the time, this is proof

1586
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 9: positive version of the Clemson offense you're seeing right now.

1587
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 9: The quarterback struggling is prove positive that the offensive coaching

1588
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 9: at Clemson might not be as good as some people

1589
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 9: gave it credit for being. And Trevor Lawrence was saving

1590
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 9: this coaching staff quite often. Well, that only speaks to

1591
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 9: what Brady talked about last week in an interview that

1592
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 9: he did, where hey, the development isn't as strong. So

1593
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 9: you got a guy that comes in with all the

1594
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 9: talent in the world, but maybe he's had years of

1595
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 9: just weird coaching and now Doug Peterson has to reset

1596
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 9: all of that relatively quickly to get the most out

1597
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 9: of it. Like this is all less than ideal.

1598
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 5: Well, the issue now is if we're saying that, well,

1599
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 5: he doesn't have the records at weapons, he just needs

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01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 5: more weapons. But he's also an average player at this

1601
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 5: time than doesn't make the right decisions, then your actions

1602
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 5: are being incongruous with what you know is actual reality

1603
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 5: because you're paying him like he's the best quarterback in

1604
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 5: the NFL, But now we're saying like, well, he has

1605
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 5: a dearth of talent around him. He needs to actually

1606
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 5: have more help to actually bring those talents out of

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 5: him better. So which is it?

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01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 9: And that's the problem, And how are you going to

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01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 9: surround him with better weapons now? Unless you're starting you're

1610
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 9: paying the quarterback now, so you better hit home runs

1611
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 9: in the draft. Every step of the way if you

1612
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 9: need better weapons.

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01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 5: So you've really backed yourself into a corner. Regardless of

1614
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 5: who the coach is or anything, you're really banking on

1615
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence really turning this thing around at some point,

1616
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 5: whether it's Doug or somebody else, and whoever else comes in,

1617
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 5: the pressure is going to be on them almost immediately

1618
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 5: as well, because again, after they paid the even this

1619
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 5: contract extension, they're not getting rid of him for at

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 5: least the next three or four years.

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Speaker 6: You've married yourself to him. You use that analogy again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I and again I go, I think Doug.

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01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 3: I think Doug's got to show me man. I love Doug,

1624
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 3: and I'm indebted to Doug for the Super Bowl. But

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 3: you know they didn't. They were not coach well last year. No,

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01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can argue against it. But again,

1627
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 3: I think some of Server's issues, as you mentioned before

1628
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 3: the Audibles, that's on him.

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01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 6: That's not necessarily Undoug Fellas right here, Fox.

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Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 3: We've been all over the place talking a lot of

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Speaker 3: the you got to do the NBA Finals, and I

1643
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 3: think we all have that same feeling, the same vibe,

1644
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 3: which is Boston is not in any trouble. This doesn't

1645
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 3: feel like Dallas is going to get back into the series.

1646
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 3: It feels more like this is what Boston does. They

1647
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 3: have a clunker. They've had a clunker in every other series,

1648
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 3: and I don't since even if Dallas beats him in

1649
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 3: a straight up really good game, you know, in game five,

1650
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 3: I don't feel like they're in any sort of danger

1651
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 3: to lose this thing and it probably closed out on five.

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Speaker 4: You would agree, right, the right FITZI.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I agree with you on thousand percent. I

1654
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 9: think what becomes interesting is as you say that you're

1655
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 9: right they've had a clunker in every series. They've also

1656
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 9: had this weird run to the championship that people have

1657
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 9: had a lot of questions about the quality of the opponents.

1658
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 9: You know, I don't care about as much about that.

1659
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 9: But what's going to be interesting to me is I

1660
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 9: fully believe that on Sunday the Celtics are going to

1661
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 9: win the NBA Championship when they hoist the Larry Obee

1662
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 9: as the kids like to say, Uh, the question is,

1663
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 9: how are we going to look at this entire run right?

1664
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 9: Because how often have you seen a championship team that

1665
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 9: once a series is just good to not show up

1666
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 9: and you know, it has their moments where they're dominant,

1667
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 9: but also has moments where it's like, man, I don't know,

1668
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 9: like it is interesting. As someone on this show that

1669
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 9: has been crediting the Celtics for a minute now, I'm

1670
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 9: also looking at it and saying, I have no idea

1671
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 9: what the appropriate context of the eventual championship of the

1672
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 9: Boston Celtics is really going to be. They're going to

1673
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 9: win this series, but I don't know if they're going

1674
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 9: to get the love that people want them to get

1675
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 9: when that happens.

1676
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 3: What kind of love do they deserve, I mean, other

1677
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 3: than like, do they deserve extraordinary love? Like like I'm

1678
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 3: trying to think about I'm trying. I'm trying to gauge

1679
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 3: what we like. How do you want us to react

1680
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 3: to them? No, that's as a Boston hater, so just

1681
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 3: so FYI yeah, and I.

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01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 9: Don't I don't know because usually when you win a championship,

1683
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 9: it's like, oh my god, I can't believe this. And

1684
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 9: over the course of the last couple of years, it

1685
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 9: feels like the reaction to championship teams all include the

1686
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 9: Nuggets in this conversation now, had been like, oh, yeah,

1687
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 9: that's cool, Yeah that won it. Yeah, that's fine. They're

1688
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 9: they're they're the best right now that it's good, it's fine,

1689
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 9: you know what I mean. Like, it's not like when

1690
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 9: you know, and maybe it's because everything was so dynastic

1691
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 9: around the Warriors, and you know, obviously there was just

1692
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 9: such a view around those teams, even even when the

1693
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 9: heat are good, it feels like everybody just falls in

1694
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 9: love with them. This is more like a yeah, the

1695
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 9: Celtic's gonna win it. They're fine. I don't know what

1696
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,440
Speaker 9: the appropriate context is, but it doesn't feel like championship

1697
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,440
Speaker 9: context around it right now at least.

1698
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 5: Well is it because they've been fairly dominant throughout the

1699
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 5: run too. I mean they you know, they swept the

1700
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 5: conference finals, they won in five in the previous two series.

1701
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if had they ended up sweeping this,

1702
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 5: they would have only had a couple of losses that rival,

1703
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 5: you know, the fifteen to one Laker run, the Golden

1704
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 5: State Warrior run from a few years ago. They only

1705
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 5: lost one game in their championship run. Uh, for for

1706
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 5: whatever reason. I don't know if it's because people just

1707
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 5: hold it against the competition that they played against.

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01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 6: Miami was on the eye.

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01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 4: In I do think that that's something that do what

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01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Cleveland was a legitimate but yeah, you know,

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01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 4: you're you're going through you know, Cleveland, Indiana, like they

1712
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 4: don't have no hallim burn like they had and yeah,

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01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: I mean cake walked in the four Shure runs happened sometimes.

1714
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 5: I mean, when the Warriors won their first championship without

1715
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant, there was a key player in every single

1716
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 5: series that they won that year where somebody was hurt

1717
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 5: that just that happened sometimes, unfortunately, that's not necessarily the Celtics' fault. Now,

1718
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 5: whether we should give them the same sort of credit

1719
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 5: that we give to previous teams that run rough, shot

1720
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 5: over like I remember, I remember. Just obviously it's personal,

1721
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 5: but that fifteen and one run the Lakers went on

1722
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 5: in two thousand and one, and there are great players

1723
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 5: they had to run there.

1724
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 6: They swept him Duncan in his prime.

1725
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 5: They swept a really good Sacramento King team with Chris

1726
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 5: Weber and Rashid Wallace in Portland, and obviously you know

1727
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 5: the Alan Iverson and the and the seventy six ers

1728
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 5: in the finals are the one team that got him

1729
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 5: in Game one.

1730
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 6: Uh, But so that one stands out.

1731
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 5: But throughout the course of a lot of championship runs

1732
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 5: throughout history, teams end up getting breaks. We talked about

1733
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 5: all the time in the NFL, or in any sport,

1734
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 5: a lot of times the team that ends up winning

1735
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 5: is the one that just stayed healthy.

1736
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 6: That's a big part of it too.

1737
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, without a doubt, you gotta stay you know,

1738
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 3: staying healthy is is a prerequisite. And then he looks

1739
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 3: they're also it's a test swordy to me, is how

1740
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 3: they're built right, sure, I'll give you that. Yeah, you know,

1741
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 3: and it's great. Listen, Jason Tatum, he's a great player,

1742
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 3: so I mean, and I think he loses his you know,

1743
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 3: choke coming up small tag, So he'll lose that.

1744
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 5: Well, I mean yes, but I'll also say outside of

1745
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 5: Game three he really hadn't played all that well in

1746
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 5: the series.

1747
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 6: Well, I was about to.

1748
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 3: Say that, like, yeah, yeah, I'm just about to say

1749
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 3: that exactly that point, which is he loses the TA

1750
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 3: because he wins, But honestly, it's more of a testimony

1751
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: to how the team is built.

1752
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Drew, it's just Jalen Brown.

1753
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, Drew Holliday and Jayalen Brown

1754
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 5: are probably in the race that's for the MVP. I

1755
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 5: don't think Jason Tatum's even in the discussion right now, right.

1756
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 9: Guys, he doesn't lose the tag. He presses pause on

1757
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 9: the tag. And there's certain things that are inevitable in sports.

1758
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 9: Like the minute you say, should this championship have an

1759
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 9: asterisk whatever we're talking about, you've already answered the question

1760
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 9: because once that statement is made, the asterisk will always

1761
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,799
Speaker 9: be part of Yeah, but do we like it becomes

1762
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 9: branded on that championship. We could talk all day long

1763
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 9: about the Bubble Championship in LA, but let's acknowledge the

1764
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 9: conversations that we were having for that bubble conversation then

1765
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 9: still exists today because they never go away. The can

1766
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 9: he come up big in big games conversation will be

1767
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 9: paused for a minute. But the first time next year,

1768
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 9: in the playoff game that he comes up small, it'll

1769
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 9: be like, see yet again. Last year was just a

1770
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 9: free like it's just sort of yeah, yeah, I just

1771
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 9: we are yeah. But then people will be like, immediately

1772
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 9: it'll be yeah, but look at the rate the run

1773
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 9: they went on. They weren't good. They just got lucky.

1774
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 9: I lived by better better to be lucky than good.

1775
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 9: But immediately the qualifiers that we're talking about today, when

1776
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 9: we put context around this championship will come back. If

1777
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 9: there's a single game in next year's playoffs where the

1778
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 9: Stars come up small for the Celtics, it'll immediately be

1779
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 9: same old Boston. Last year was a fluke.

1780
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 5: I will say, context often gets lost the further and

1781
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 5: further away you get from it, though, too, Like I'll

1782
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 5: use Paydon Manning as an example. You know, he came

1783
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 5: up small so many times in the postseason. You know,

1784
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 5: they ended up winning their only championship with the Colts.

1785
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 5: That was like one of the worst playoff runs from

1786
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 5: an individual performance standpoint they ever had. Remember they got

1787
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 5: Bob Sanders back in the defense all of a sudden

1788
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 5: turn things around. They played phenomenal defensively. Dominic Rhodes probably

1789
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 5: should have been the emv B to the Super Bowl.

1790
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 5: He ran all over the Bears in that game. And

1791
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning was pedestrian. But you fast forward now you

1792
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 5: see Peyton Manning. We know he was a care taker

1793
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 5: in that Dinvers Dinver championship. People forget how pedestrian he

1794
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 5: was in that first Colts championship run too. And all

1795
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 5: you see now is Peyton Manning has all these stats

1796
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 5: and two Super Bowl rings And you say, like, well,

1797
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 5: any demons that he once had were all gone because

1798
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 5: he won those two rings. And he was a phenomenal

1799
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 5: player and he played great for the Colts, even though

1800
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 5: he didn't play all that well in that postseason run. So, Fitz,

1801
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if this is the only championship that Tatum

1802
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 5: ever wins, If twenty years from now, people are gonna say, yeah,

1803
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 5: but you know what, he didn't play that great in

1804
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 5: that series. I don't know if that holds up, because

1805
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 5: generally speaking, those things don't.

1806
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 9: It depends on what happens moving forward, Like if he

1807
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 9: plays small in next year's playoff run, then immediately. And also,

1808
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 9: the NBA culture around championships is far differ than a

1809
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 9: Super Bowl, and I think it's stupid. I'm not partaking

1810
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 9: in it, but let's be real. You win one in

1811
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 9: the NBA and people are like, yeah, but that's only one.

1812
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 9: It's so different than the super Bowl in that sense.

1813
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 9: And there's also a moment where if you're winning championship,

1814
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 9: if Tatum comes up small for the next five years

1815
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 9: in the playoffs, but the Celtics win two more championships,

1816
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 9: then yeah, this conversation's irrelevant and it's a race if

1817
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 9: the Celtics lose in the second round and then lose

1818
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 9: in the first round. Like, the NBA is such a

1819
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 9: weird world that coach Bud can win an NBA championship

1820
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 9: and then get fired almost immediately afterwards, because well, that

1821
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 9: championship didn't have any sticking legs, right, Like, it's just

1822
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 9: different how we talk about the NBA like it or not,

1823
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 9: I personally don't. But if the Celtics lose next year,

1824
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 9: in the year after and the year after, and it's

1825
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 9: in part because Tatum doesn't play well enough, then yeah,

1826
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 9: this conversation is never going anywhere. That's a hard part

1827
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 9: about moving forward the way we judge the NBA. I

1828
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 9: think the NFL just lives in a bubble in the

1829
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 9: way that we judge Super Bowls.

1830
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 5: You know, an interesting comp and it's relevant because he

1831
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 5: just passed away unfortunately is Jerry West, who won his

1832
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 5: only championship with the Lakers in his final season in

1833
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 5: seventy two, and that was actually his worst NBA Finals

1834
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 5: performance of his career, and one of his quotes was,

1835
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 5: the team actually had to overcome my performance in this

1836
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 5: is to actually beat the Knicks and win the championship.

1837
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 5: After playing as well as he played, and all those

1838
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 5: series against the Celtics that they lost, winning the MVP

1839
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 5: of the Finals in a series that they lost. The

1840
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 5: worst performance that he actually had was in a series

1841
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 5: where they actually won the championship.

1842
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 6: Now most people don't even know that.

1843
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 5: All they know is thank goodness he got a championship,

1844
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 5: because it would have been all for not he had

1845
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 5: a great career but never got one.

1846
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 6: But man, he got one.

1847
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 5: People just don't recognize the fact that he got one

1848
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,799
Speaker 5: when he actually played the worst. And it's very interesting.

1849
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 5: But see, something like that also gets lost in context.

1850
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 5: You just don't remember that sort of thing.

1851
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 4: You know what.

1852
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 3: It's a great point you don't remember it, Isn't it

1853
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 3: funny how our minds work when it comes to that, Yeah,

1854
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 3: and where we kind of gravitate towards Yeah.

1855
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 6: But also it's also.

1856
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 9: Like it's also this whole I know I say it

1857
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 9: too much, but like benefit of the doubt is such

1858
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 9: a weird thing with athletes. Some guys get it out

1859
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 9: of the gates, some guys don't, and then the pendulum

1860
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 9: swings wildly the other way. Like we constantly talk about

1861
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,799
Speaker 9: the fact that Peyton Manning was a show of himself

1862
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 9: in the last super Bowl win, but there was so

1863
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 9: much at that point street credit for the way that

1864
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 9: he'd handled his entire career that it was like, oh,

1865
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 9: this is amazing. Maybe they're winning in spite of him,

1866
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 9: but it's still Peyton getting another super Bowl and look

1867
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 9: at how much that matters, and blah blah blah, blah blah,

1868
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 9: like it becomes part of an endearing part portion of

1869
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 9: Peyton's story, which is sort of wild to me because

1870
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 9: we certainly don't do the same thing, for example, to

1871
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 9: Trent Dilfer for winning, you know, with the Ravens, Like

1872
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 9: nobody turns around and says, oh, this is so endearing.

1873
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 9: They're like, oh my god, I can't believe the Ravens

1874
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 9: would Trent Dilfer right, Like, it's different guys get different benefit.

1875
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's funny. That's a great point. That's a

1876
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 4: great point. All right.

1877
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 3: I want to circle us back to the quarterbacks because

1878
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 3: we had a great conversation about Trevor Lawrence and you know,

1879
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 3: obviously he has to bear a huge responsibility as the player,

1880
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 3: but what responsibility does the coach have?

1881
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 4: Right?

1882
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 3: And it is pretty party without Shamahan. I think it's

1883
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 3: pretty obvious that he's not right. But is it such.

1884
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 4: Where there's only a handful of guys that you know,

1885
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 4: these these talented quarterbacks have to go unless you're a freak.

1886
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 4: But even Matt Patrick Mahomes, who's the best quarterback of

1887
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 4: the game, has a guy like Amy Reid to help

1888
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 4: nourish him.

1889
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 9: Here's the wild because I do think. I think brock

1890
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 9: Purty this year is going to be one of the

1891
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 9: most interesting stories in the NFL because he has to

1892
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 9: be successful. For Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine ers,

1893
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 9: I think, to have a shot being where they want

1894
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 9: to be, he's got to be very good. And you're

1895
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 9: talking about somebody that this year. I looked it up

1896
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 9: the other day for something I was doing for Yahoo

1897
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 9: at the time. His cap number this year is about

1898
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 9: one point one million at the end of this season,

1899
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 9: not now, but at the end of this coming season,

1900
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 9: when perty is eligible to be extended, should they want to,

1901
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 9: he will have made it in his entire career under

1902
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 9: three million dollars for his entire career. So now you

1903
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 9: have somebody that's gonna hit the open but he's not

1904
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 9: gonna hit the open market. I should say, somebody that's

1905
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 9: up for renegotiation that has made three million dollars that

1906
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 9: we can't decide if it's the quarterback or if it's

1907
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 9: the coach. And if you're the forty nine ers, you're

1908
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 9: in a bit of a pickle right here. You're in

1909
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 9: a bit of a kirk. I got a little pickle

1910
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 9: going on because Frankly, you're paying a lot of people.

1911
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 9: How are you gonna pay Brock and pay all these

1912
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 9: other people? But are you gonna believe that you can

1913
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 9: just go in the dik like I believe that they

1914
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 9: hit the lottery with brock Party, and I think trying

1915
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 9: to do that multiple times is a slippery slope. I

1916
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 9: also believe that you know Brock is going to then command.

1917
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 9: If that's the case, you're gonna pay him, even if

1918
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 9: it's not high market value. If Brock Purty comes in

1919
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 9: and says, yeah, I'll give you a team discount. I

1920
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 9: want forty two million dollars a year. Brock Party a

1921
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 9: forty two million dollar quarterback. This is the most interesting

1922
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 9: thing we're gonna see by the end of the year

1923
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 9: because if he plays lights out, forty nine Ers is

1924
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 9: going to have to make a very difficult decision. And

1925
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 9: if it's truly Kyle Shanahan, if Kyle Shanahan can turn

1926
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 9: any quarterback into Brock Party, then Kyle Shanahan should go

1927
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 9: out and make thirty million dollars a year as a

1928
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 9: head coach and the forty nine Ers will never have

1929
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 9: to worry about anything again. But if you're Brock Are

1930
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 9: you really going to take a let's say, twenty five

1931
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 9: thirty million dollars deal when you've only made three million

1932
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,759
Speaker 9: dollars so far and your numbers support a far higher

1933
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 9: market value. There's no way in hell. So, like, I

1934
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 9: think it's interesting, the forty nine ers are going to

1935
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 9: really have to make a tough decision. And I wonder

1936
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 9: if brock perty apologists will feel the same way about

1937
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 9: Brock if he's suddenly earning forty five million dollars a year.

1938
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1939
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 5: I mean, one thing I think we can admit and

1940
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 5: nothing even Kyle Shannan would say, is I can't turn

1941
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 5: everything in the gold. And reference that with the backup

1942
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 5: quarterback in Dallas right now, who they traded up to

1943
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 5: get into the draft and cut bait on after a

1944
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 5: couple of seasons, recognizing that as even as a first

1945
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 5: round pick, the guy couldn't do it. Nick Mullins was

1946
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 5: a guy that they brought up and cultivated a couple

1947
01:33:58,560 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 5: of years go on, thought that they concern him to

1948
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 5: some and didn't happen. So you can't get caught up

1949
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 5: in the idea that quarterbacks are like running backs and

1950
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 5: my system I can just interchangeably put guys in and out.

1951
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 5: That's a dangerous game to play, even if you are

1952
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 5: one of the all time great you know, cultivators of

1953
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 5: quarterbacks like Kyle Shanahan is. So I don't know if

1954
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 5: that's a game you want to get into.

1955
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 4: That's a great point.

1956
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have a guy that's good enough to execute

1957
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 5: your system, you probably just want to hook him up

1958
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 5: and then stick with the devil that you know and figure.

1959
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 9: You make it such an important point in this process.

1960
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 9: If the forty nine ers truly believe that they could

1961
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 9: make any quarterback great, then just to save the egg

1962
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 9: on your face, would you not have done that with

1963
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 9: Trey Lance? Like That's just it's way easier to say, hey,

1964
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 9: let's just keep investing in our first round guy. And

1965
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 9: that did not happen here. So I think brock Perty

1966
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 9: is special, and I do think that there is some

1967
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 9: element and I'm not saying he's Brady like, but at

1968
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 9: some point we had to stop having the conversation about

1969
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,839
Speaker 9: where Brady was drafted when it came to the future

1970
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 9: of the Patriots, We're gonna have to do the same

1971
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 9: thing here. I just think that's tough for the stomach

1972
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 9: in a world where you know right now, you've got

1973
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 9: guys that necessarily have improved it. We've been talking about

1974
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 9: Trevor Lawrence making fifty million bucks a year, Like, man,

1975
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 9: what's the going rate gonna be on Brock? And how

1976
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 9: do you keep all of those other people signed if

1977
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 9: you have to pay Brock fifty million dollars a year?

1978
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 9: You can't? And why would Brock take a discount? All

1979
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 9: of these things are just it's because somebody's gonna pay

1980
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 9: Brock if not the forty nine or somebody. Well, I

1981
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 9: realize they can still get him through this year. Next year,

1982
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 9: they can franchise all of these different things. But man,

1983
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 9: it's gonna get difficult.

1984
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 4: And Harry quickly no and in heartbeat, like I'm with you,

1985
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 4: But where's the relationship? Like is you know?

1986
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 3: And this is something that's interesting. So I asked Bolding

1987
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 3: and I were talking about it. We came up with

1988
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 3: I'll just go with hidden first, all right, And I said,

1989
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 3: a dude, give me your top ten, and his top

1990
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 3: ten was this, I'll just give it to you and

1991
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 3: you tell me greed disagree. Wherever you're at and where

1992
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 3: the rookies are. You don't have any rookies in there.

1993
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 3: So he's got Mahomes, Burrow, Alan Lamar, Purty, Stafford, Herbert

1994
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 3: dak Love Stroud.

1995
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 4: That hurts.

1996
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 16: Man.

1997
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 9: So there's some stuff in there that I think is

1998
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 9: a little bit presumptive. No offense to Baldy, who's brilliant

1999
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 9: and we all love. I have a hard time when

2000
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 9: it comes to Jordan Love. I'll be the first to

2001
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 9: say that we've seen half of one good season. I mean,

2002
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 9: Jordan Love that we saw the last half of last

2003
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 9: season was absolutely incredible that there is no doubt about that.

2004
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 9: I also watched Jordan Love in the first half of

2005
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 9: the season not play well, and I was part of

2006
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 9: the discussions that we were having about, like, man, is

2007
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 9: Jordan Love really the answer? After particularly, we all remember

2008
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 9: the Monday night game where I think, frankly, he cost

2009
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 9: his team against against the Raiders, like that should have

2010
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 9: been a win for the Packers. Jordan Loves the reason

2011
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 9: they lost that football game. So we just forget the

2012
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 9: first half.

2013
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you have to forget the first don't Well.

2014
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 4: Here's why. Here's why I argue yes, because there's growth.

2015
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 3: When you're talking about a young quarterback first time, really

2016
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 3: you know this is your team now? Right, he goes

2017
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:27,759
Speaker 3: in and there should be an arc where you grow

2018
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 3: and then you're playing your best football. And look he

2019
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 3: ends with a ridiculous playoff run. So early season struggles

2020
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 3: like I throw out because that's growth. Getting on the

2021
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 3: same page with your receivers, getting your offense down.

2022
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 4: All that takes time.

2023
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 3: Like if it was the other way around, where he

2024
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 3: was great early and then flopped at the end, I

2025
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 3: would agree with you.

2026
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 9: My pushback to that is Marcus Mariota. I was in

2027
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 9: Nashville covering the Titans when Marcus Mariota blew up and

2028
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 9: it was like, man, this guy's epic. He's gonna be

2029
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 9: one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL from two

2030
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 9: thirds of a good season. And then all of a sudden,

2031
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 9: you're like, no, it turns out it just got hot

2032
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 9: at the right time. Like we've seen half of a

2033
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 9: good season from quarterbacks before. We saw Tino Smith two

2034
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 9: years ago absolutely light it up. So like, I just

2035
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 9: think that I need more than half of a body,

2036
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 9: half of a season, a body of work before I'm

2037
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 9: gonna make somebody a top ten quarterback in the NFL.

2038
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so so real quick.

2039
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 3: I mean, then figure you got Yeah, I just want

2040
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 3: to retort one thing I'm just hitting you with. It

2041
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 3: makes sense to me, and I get your point about that,

2042
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 3: you know, the first part of the season struggles.

2043
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 4: And that weigh in your and that wing in your opinion.

2044
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 3: But my point is it's it's obvious why it would

2045
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 3: happen then, right, there's reason, tangible reasons of this is

2046
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,719
Speaker 3: your first time starting, you're going to struggle early. There's

2047
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 3: you're going to try to have young receivers, you gotta

2048
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 3: get on the same page offense, everything else. But because

2049
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 3: it went on a slope upward like an escalator ride,

2050
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 3: I give points to that like that to me, now,

2051
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 3: I love Jordan Love so full disclosure, I think he's

2052
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 3: a top ten quarterback. Now that's partly me, you know

2053
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 3: my opinion, but the slope upward means something to me.

2054
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2055
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 5: The big thing for me is just how static is

2056
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 5: the list and we're just talking about, you know, coming

2057
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 5: into this season as a result of last year. Is

2058
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 5: this over the last couple of years, because there's a

2059
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 5: lot of movable parts, like if CJ. Stroud comes in

2060
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 5: and has a sophomore slump and doesn't play particularly well

2061
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 5: and Deshaun Watson bounces back and has an MVP type year,

2062
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 5: Well he jumps back into the top ten next year,

2063
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 5: and c J Strout falls out, like, I mean, I

2064
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 5: guess what are we gauging this on? Is it on

2065
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 5: the previous seasons performance? Is it if I have to

2066
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 5: select a you know, a quarterback from my team and

2067
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 5: I'm ranking the top ten guys based on a performance

2068
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 5: on arm talent on? So I guess it's a I

2069
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 5: think it's just a more nebulous sort of list when

2070
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 5: it comes to that sort of thing, unless we know

2071
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 5: specifically how exactly what is top ten.

2072
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 4: It was all right going into this year racking the quarterbacks,

2073
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 4: give me your the top ten quarterbacks heading into this

2074
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 4: show going into the start of this season, all right,

2075
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 4: So it's like that's the case, and yeah, yeah, I.

2076
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 6: Give you love for that. I didn't agree with everything

2077
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 6: that Anthony said.

2078
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 5: It's it was an upper trajectory, and there's no reason

2079
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 5: for me to believe that even if he does regress

2080
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 5: a little bit, he'll still be good and good enough

2081
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 5: with the good enough team around him to make him

2082
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 5: to get him too the postseason, you would think. So

2083
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 5: that's why I have no issues whatsoever Jordan Love being

2084
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 5: on the back in the back end of the top ten.

2085
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 9: Y'all know me. I'm a proof of concept guy. I

2086
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 9: just neede more, that's all. I just need seymore.

2087
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get you. But like I'll ask you this,

2088
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 3: and this is a great question. I was playing this

2089
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 3: game with my guys in Philly, which is Hurts or Love?

2090
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 3: Who would you take?

2091
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 4: Now? Obviously, you know.

2092
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 3: Hurts Jalen's extremely popular and Philadelphia and most Philadelphia's you know,

2093
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 3: for their quarterback, and take Jalen.

2094
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 4: But to me, I would take Love.

2095
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think we discussed this a little bit

2096
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 5: on the show last weekend. Yeah, because you know, from

2097
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 5: a quarterbacking standpoint, Jordan Love can just do more and

2098
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 5: you don't have to have an offense catered to a

2099
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 5: specific skill set for him.

2100
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 9: Thank you, But real quick, guys, a year ago, would

2101
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 9: you've said the same thing about Jalen Hurts body of work?

2102
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 9: Body of work? That makes my body of work? My

2103
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 9: point on body of work. The more we a year ago,

2104
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 9: we were in love with Jalen Hurts, there was no questions.

2105
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 9: Now it's like, oh, I don't know, there's some questions

2106
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 9: like he's got to get a little better.

2107
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 5: The hints my comment about the dynamic list and how

2108
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 5: things move. It's a year to year situation. Things can change, fluid.

2109
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 4: Fluid baby. Let's say quick t We'll come right back.

2110
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 3: Fellas hanging Fox Sports Radio, Thank you, money Mark seven

2111
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 3: point thirty in the East, in the West, Fellas from

2112
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 3: the tiraq dot com studios, hanging out. Always a lot

2113
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 3: of fun. So talking quarterbacks. So I gave you a list.

2114
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 3: This is Baldy, right, this is it. Like he just

2115
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 3: gave you his top ten. He winds up throwing in

2116
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 3: that there were eleven names that I threw out. Then

2117
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 3: he threw in, hey.

2118
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:34,639
Speaker 4: Well, golf to belong somewhere close to the top ten.

2119
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 4: Do you guys agree with golf as the top ten?

2120
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 9: Give me his list again.

2121
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 4: So here's Baldy's lists.

2122
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 3: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Purty, Stafford, Herbert dak Love, Stroud, Hurts.

2123
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 4: And then he gave me the golf thing too.

2124
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would have put golf in that list. I mean,

2125
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 9: I'd rather have golf than party. I think. The interesting

2126
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 9: thing we talked earlier about how labels just sort of

2127
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 9: get stuck with you, Golf is somebody that has had

2128
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 9: success now with two different coaching staffs, and then we

2129
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 9: credited all of it in the beginning to Sean McVay,

2130
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 9: and then suddenly the narrative hit that he wasn't smart

2131
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,839
Speaker 9: enough to be able to run the complexities of that offense.

2132
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 9: It couldn't be mcveagh's quarterbacks. They dump him, but realistically

2133
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 9: he goes somewhere where they believe in him, and by

2134
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:29,839
Speaker 9: doing that, he sees the best of himself in that process.

2135
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 9: Yet again, so he's had tremendous success now with two

2136
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 9: different organizations. I don't understand necessarily putting. I know Stafford's

2137
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 9: always been successful, but Stafford and Golf is one of

2138
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Speaker 9: those rare win win trades for both sides. I think

2139
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Speaker 9: they're both quarterbacks that are sort of in the same stratosphere.

2140
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 9: To me, so as much as I like Party, for example,

2141
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 9: I take Golf before I would take a Party on

2142
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 9: that list for sure, and I think Stroud is that

2143
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 9: rookie year is absolutely incredible. But again that's one year,

2144
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 9: so it makes me a little nervous. One year, even

2145
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 9: though it's a great year, it makes me a little nervous.

2146
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 9: Putting a one year guy above somebody that's had, you know,

2147
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 9: mark success with two different coaches.

2148
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 4: Fig.

2149
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Speaker 5: I agree, because if you look at you know, Jerry

2150
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 5: Golf has been labeled as kind of a quote unquote

2151
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 5: system quarterback throughout his career. I mean, if brock Perty's

2152
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 5: going to be in your top five, top six, is

2153
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 5: he not the embodiment of that as well? And the

2154
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 5: physical measurables obviously Golf is taller, has a stronger arm.

2155
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 6: Would he not be.

2156
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 5: Having the same success or level of success as brock

2157
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 5: Party if he were to be in that Shanahan offense, which,

2158
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 5: by the way, mcveig's offense is an offshoot of and

2159
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 5: he had success in. So if you're just looking at

2160
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 5: it from that standpoint, I'm glad you were. You read

2161
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 5: the list back again, because I thought I didn't hear

2162
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 5: Golf's name, and I was surprised by it. I'm even

2163
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 5: a little bit more surprised that Golf wasn't already in

2164
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 5: his top ten, because he certainly would be in mine.

2165
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does any rookie come close to crack in

2166
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 3: the top ten for you?

2167
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 9: I can't do that just because of Trevor Lawrence, right,

2168
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 9: I mean we all thought, as we were talking about earlier,

2169
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 9: we all thought Trevor Lawrence was just going to be

2170
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 9: next level, Oh my god, from the outset. And now

2171
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 9: Trevor Lawrence isn't even on that list after seeing a

2172
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 9: few years of him in the league. Right, So I

2173
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 9: have a hard time putting a rookie. And as much

2174
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 9: as I love Caleb Williams and I think he has

2175
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 9: the opportunity to be great, it just takes too many

2176
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,799
Speaker 9: variables like systems matter, coaching matters, all of these things

2177
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 9: matter when it comes to asserting that greatness. And it's

2178
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 9: funny when you go up and down the list and

2179
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 9: you look at some of these quarterbacks, like stability with

2180
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 9: the in the organization, all of these things. When you

2181
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,679
Speaker 9: really want to separate yourself into that top ten list,

2182
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 9: I think it takes a magical combination of side dishes

2183
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 9: to go with the steak to be a top ten dinner.

2184
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 9: And I'm not sure I could put any quarterback from

2185
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 9: the rookie class into that level of company.

2186
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, I do, I would agree.

2187
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's where we're looking at, and you

2188
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 3: don't even know would break Sewan is the prime example

2189
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 3: in the sense that we all thought that Bryce would

2190
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 3: fare pretty well well. I think we all liked him

2191
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 3: coming out. I don't know if we were in love,

2192
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 3: but we liked him, and I'm surprised at how bad

2193
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 3: he looked like he was, how much he struggled. Now,

2194
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 3: I know that team is no good, but I was

2195
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 3: surprised just how bad he faired.

2196
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he notwithstanding they everyone agreed, he had literally

2197
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:27,599
Speaker 5: everything else. And it's like, if you can just get

2198
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 5: over the height issue, you know, Drew Brees got over

2199
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 5: the height issue. It's like, well, he also had a

2200
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 5: great infrastructure of coaches around him, and maybe Bryce Young

2201
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 5: will still end up being a solid player, you know,

2202
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 5: when it all is said and done, once he gets

2203
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 5: to the right infrastructure around him.

2204
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 6: We just don't know.

2205
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,600
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's really difficult to say that Caleb

2206
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:44,920
Speaker 5: Williams has the greatest potential to because of where he

2207
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,799
Speaker 5: landed and all the weapons around him, you know, Jaydon Daniels,

2208
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 5: we know the physical ability, but I mean, it's just

2209
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 5: really difficult to tell whether or not a guy's going

2210
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 5: to light the world on fire like an RG three,

2211
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 5: or if he's going to be a complete and total

2212
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 5: dut Like Bryce Young, it's just too many variables to

2213
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 5: fits his point to really be able to predict, be

2214
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 5: able to predict whether or not any of these guys

2215
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 5: will be successful right off the bat.

2216
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 9: But let me let me ask you this, what are

2217
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 9: we doing with our Achilles twins? And that's like my

2218
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 9: new tag team name for Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins. Look,

2219
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,759
Speaker 9: I don't know the last time we saw Aaron Rodgers

2220
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 9: on the field, I realized it wasn't necessarily spectacular. But

2221
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 9: he's still Aaron Rodgers and the reason the Jets are

2222
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 9: getting all the Super Bowl hype that I don't agree with.

2223
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 9: But Kirk Cousins. I mean, frankly, the Achilles injury with

2224
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 9: Kirk is also a problem. But you want to talk

2225
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 9: about somebody that you need a plug and play quarterback

2226
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 9: that's been able to have success statistically wherever he's gone,

2227
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 9: it's certainly been Kirk Cousins. And if the argument is, well,

2228
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 9: but he hasn't won, tell me what Justin Herbert's won.

2229
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 9: That's my simple. If we're gonna knock Kirk Cousins out

2230
01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 9: of the top ten because he hasn't won big games,

2231
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:52,719
Speaker 9: I'm still waiting for that huge, defining Justin Herbert moment.

2232
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and here's my retort to that.

2233
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 3: And I feel you on it, but you know, talk

2234
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 3: to me in two once Harball has his fingerprints all

2235
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 3: over this thing. Now if Herbert doesn't have anything, now,

2236
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 3: I'm with you. But I mean, the coaching situation was horrendous,

2237
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 3: horrendous with the charge In Herbert, I mean, I gotta

2238
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 3: he's one guy that I gotta put a pall, a pass, pause,

2239
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 3: whatever you want because of that coaching thing that we

2240
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 3: talked about earlier.

2241
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 9: The only problem, so I don't disagree with that, he's

2242
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 9: had a couple of different coaches and I'm not saying

2243
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 9: that stability that's bad. But one of the reasons that

2244
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 9: I'm supposed to be buying the Eagles right now is

2245
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 9: because Kellen Moore's coming over. Kellen Moore was just the

2246
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 9: offensive coordinator for Justin Herbert, and I realize that's just

2247
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 9: an offensive coordinator, but still, for some reason, Kellen Moore

2248
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 9: gets all of this wild. Oh my god, Kella Moore's

2249
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 9: great when he's worked with the Cowboys and then worked

2250
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,679
Speaker 9: with the Chargers and we still haven't seen that. Oh

2251
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 9: my god, moment from Justin Herbert. And you want to

2252
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 9: talk about talent around him again, I know Brandon Stale

2253
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 9: it was just an awful head coach, but he had

2254
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 9: talent around him, at least in theory, and he had

2255
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 9: an offensive coordinator around him that's well regarded. So I mean,

2256
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 9: at some point, doesn't.

2257
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 5: By the way Kellen with the success or the ability

2258
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 5: of Kellen Moore as an offensive coordinator, I think is

2259
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 5: greatly exaggerated. Uh, seeing with the Dallas and with the Chargers,

2260
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 5: I've never seen it.

2261
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,679
Speaker 6: To be honest with you, I don't get the infatuation.

2262
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 9: Do I.

2263
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, you haven't heard me talk

2264
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,760
Speaker 3: much about Kellen Moore other than I just think he's

2265
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 3: in upgrade to what was last year, which was which

2266
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 3: was not much.

2267
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 6: I mean sure, ye.

2268
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 3: Like like if you got you know, last year for

2269
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 3: the Eagles, their downfall was you know, they fall off

2270
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 3: the cliff. Their coordinators were horrendous, liked bad play call,

2271
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 3: you had no answers, like we're talking about elemental stuff.

2272
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:54,639
Speaker 3: And as much as I you know, I'll talk about

2273
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 3: Jalen and the regression, you know, I put most of

2274
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 3: the regression on the coaching staff, like you.

2275
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 4: Have hot reed, you don't have hot red built in

2276
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 4: on blitzes. Like, what's that about? Like based elementary stuff

2277
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 4: right there?

2278
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2279
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 4: Man, Like, so that's where the coaches come into play.

2280
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 3: And so I go, all right, Well, he's Kella Moore

2281
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 3: as callplays and has a bit of a resume. He's

2282
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 3: been around the block, and it is an upgrade to

2283
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 3: what they got. But I like, I feel you guys

2284
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 3: when you guys talk about well kell the Moore. He

2285
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:33,600
Speaker 3: also only had one year at Herbert and that to

2286
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 3: me is it kills a quarterback when you're going through

2287
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 3: OC's and systems.

2288
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 4: That is horrible. I'll never forget. There was a kid

2289
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:47,639
Speaker 4: you guys remember Jason Campbell. Uh I played Auburn. Yeah right,

2290
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,679
Speaker 4: and I like Jason. I thought Jason had a chance.

2291
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:56,880
Speaker 4: And he's the poster child for needing a good coach, right,

2292
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 4: And he had four different sees in its first four years.

2293
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 4: How's anybody going to succeed or you're running with four

2294
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 4: different OC's and four different systems.

2295
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think Alex Smith is even an

2296
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 5: even better example of that because we saw once he

2297
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 5: actually got an offensive coordinator a head coach like Andy

2298
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 5: Reid and had some consistency, or even before that with

2299
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,680
Speaker 5: Jim Harball in San Francisco, he turned a corner. I

2300
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 5: think his first six or seven years he had like

2301
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 5: five or six different offensive coordinators.

2302
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 6: That's that's difficult on anybody.

2303
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 9: I'm just saying that. Kirk Cousins right now, his career

2304
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 9: completion percentage sixty six point nine, Justin Herbert sixty six

2305
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 9: point six passing yards per game. They're within ten yards

2306
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,640
Speaker 9: of each other. When you look at the touchdown to

2307
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 9: interception ratio, it's fairly close to quarterback rating edges towards

2308
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins ninety eight point two ninety five point seven

2309
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 9: to Justin Herbert. Like quick look at the stats and

2310
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:53,360
Speaker 9: the two are very comparable when it comes to much

2311
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 9: of this, and like, if if that's where we're gonna be,

2312
01:51:56,400 --> 01:52:00,600
Speaker 9: then like I just think maybe we're we're we overvalue

2313
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 9: sometimes in this like Justin Herbert has come in and

2314
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 9: really rightfully so I know smart people look at it

2315
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 9: and say the way he plays the game is worthy

2316
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 9: of this. I could just tell you right or wrong.

2317
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 9: As a Raiders fan that faces Justin Herbert twice a

2318
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,680
Speaker 9: year I am the first to admit that. When I

2319
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 9: look at the schedule, I'm like, oh my god, got

2320
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,600
Speaker 9: to take on my homes twice a year. That's just

2321
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:21,640
Speaker 9: not fair. If I look at this schedule as a

2322
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:24,040
Speaker 9: fan and I say, man, taking on Lamar, that's just

2323
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 9: going to be a brutal game to try and win.

2324
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 9: Taken on Josh Allen, Oh my god, taken on Joe Burrow,

2325
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 9: Oh my god. If I look at it and say

2326
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 9: taking on Justin Herbert, the Raiders do it twice a year,

2327
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 9: and I'm like, yeah, you can get a split out

2328
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,320
Speaker 9: of that good quarterback. But I'm not. I don't sit

2329
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 9: here frightened as a fan. And I know that's just

2330
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 9: a fan mindset, but when you look at this list,

2331
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 9: most of these guys should be if you're a top

2332
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 9: ten quarterback, the type that when the schedule comes out,

2333
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 9: you say, oh my god, I don't want to face

2334
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 9: that guy. Yeah.

2335
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 5: And I think what Kirk Cousins has working against him,

2336
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 5: at least specifically with the Justin Herbert comparison, is that

2337
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 5: he's just been around longer.

2338
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 6: He's had more opportunities to.

2339
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 5: Not win, and people are still infatuated with Justin Herbert

2340
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:05,560
Speaker 5: because he's still within his first handful of seasons, and

2341
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 5: you see all the physical talent, and he's.

2342
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 4: Got a frozen, beautifultball like he's a much p if

2343
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 4: you just go eyes, you look at one and you

2344
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 4: look at the other. How they play a position and

2345
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 4: how they throw the football, well.

2346
01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 6: There's nothing to best for production too when it comes

2347
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:20,679
Speaker 6: to Kirk.

2348
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 4: I might disagree, but I mean, I'll be honest with you,

2349
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 4: Like if you said, you know we're choosing the playground,

2350
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Speaker 4: I mean it's ten out of ten I'm taking Herbert.

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01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 5: Well, especially now not knowing how Kirk can even move

2352
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 5: if he has one leg working at this point in time,

2353
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:38,440
Speaker 5: that certainly is a factor because you're making the comparison

2354
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 5: now at thirty eight year old Kirk cousins versus justin Herbert,

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01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:43,479
Speaker 5: who's just entering into the prime of his career.

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01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,879
Speaker 4: So if it's you know, even five years ago.

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01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's prime Kirk versus prime versus Herbert.

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01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, exactly, I go ten out of ten, I

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01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 4: go Herbert. I probably Sti't take Herbert.

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01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 9: Too, I'm not. I'm with you one hundred percent. I

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01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 9: also think that it's so cooked in to my brand

2362
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 9: bias on this, Like Justin Herbert is a good quarterback.

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01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 9: We've just all we've all just assumed that the problem

2364
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 9: is Kirk Cousin's been a good quarterback that hasn't won

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01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 9: for so long. Like if Justin Herbert continues to be

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01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 9: exactly who he is as a quarterback, and you know,

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01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 9: and I think this is gonna be very real for

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01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 9: him ends up finishing second or third in this division

2369
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 9: for the next six, seven, eight years because Mahomes and

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01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 9: Andy Reid are just better, then eventually Justin Herbert it's

2371
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 9: just gonna turn into Kirk Cousins. We're all gonna say, yeah,

2372
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 9: puts up numbers but doesn't actually win.

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01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 5: I will tell you fits as someone who lives in

2374
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 5: this city, those rumblings have already begun. Yeah, those sort

2375
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 5: of rumblings of how good is this guy actually or

2376
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 5: how good is this guy really? Those conversations have already started.

2377
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 5: And the belief is if he can't turn it around

2378
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 5: and the team can't turn it around under Harball, you're

2379
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 5: gonna start hearing to talk about him being overrated and

2380
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 5: being just an average quarterback.

2381
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 3: All right, let's say quick too, and good stuff fellas

2382
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 3: they get the Father's Day five coming up too right.

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01:54:57,200 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 4: Here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, fellas from the

2384
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 4: tai Iraq dot Com studios, Jason fitz Kevin figures, I mean,

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01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 4: I think argano as we hang out on a Father's

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01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 4: Day weekend, my man's first Father's.

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01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:35,880
Speaker 3: Day weekend for Figgie and uh wishing the best. What

2388
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 3: do you got planned?

2389
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 5: Just going out to brunch with the family on a

2390
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 5: later this afternoon. But that's pretty much it. Sunday is

2391
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 5: going to be pretty laid back for the most part.

2392
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 5: But uh, going out for brunch for our first Father's

2393
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 5: Day should be fun looking forward to it. So I'm

2394
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 5: not doing anything too crazy, not that you can with

2395
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 5: a you know, six week.

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01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 6: Old, right, Yeah, that's the question.

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01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 9: So what where does the sixth week of forgive me

2398
01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 9: for not knowing these things? And somebody with no kids,

2399
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 9: what do you do with a six week old? Like

2400
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 9: does the six week old go to brunch to.

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01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 5: Or like Anthony will say, yes, what you do is

2402
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 5: you plan these things around his knaps, so you hope

2403
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 5: that he's sleeping when you're out doing your thing, and

2404
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 5: then by the time he wakes up, the party's over.

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01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 6: That's kind of how that works.

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01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So and then you get your you'll like you'll

2407
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 3: have your day like the Father's Day, Fitzy, is your

2408
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 3: day just to knock get your your stones busted.

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01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 9: I mean you almost you almost did it. You almost

2410
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 9: thought it was about to happen.

2411
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, to try the best, to just allowed to have

2412
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 5: a dad, have like kind of a laid best but

2413
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 5: laid back of a day as possible.

2414
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, drink a couple of beers.

2415
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 3: Like it's like you eat, eat whatever you want to

2416
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:51,920
Speaker 3: eat without not like that's it's the things that you

2417
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 3: could do every day that you that fits that we

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01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 3: get for a day. It's cold Father's Day, right, okay,

2419
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 3: days like you know, it's like a parade.

2420
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 5: Oh you're rolling out the red carpet on top of

2421
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 5: the blue carpet, on top of the planet mccarpet.

2422
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 4: I mean it's yes, it's ridiculous Father's Day. You know,

2423
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 4: you got here, you go, you watch a couple.

2424
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:16,040
Speaker 3: Of pitches of the game, or have a beer, you know,

2425
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 3: a burger, and I'll leave you alone, right Like that's

2426
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 3: kind of what it is.

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01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 9: What you know, what you're telling me, you're not going

2428
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 9: to get like a manny petty or anything on the

2429
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 9: I mean, you treat yourself. Not not going to any

2430
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 9: of those figgy steps.

2431
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 5: No, I know, manny petties on the docket, not happening,

2432
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 5: not this year re least.

2433
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, unfortunately not. You know, it's kind

2434
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 3: of it's we get these like these laid back moments

2435
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 3: type of thing.

2436
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 9: You know what. I'm trying to imagine Anthony Gargano in

2437
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,480
Speaker 9: the chair getting a petticure. It's just like, just look,

2438
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 9: I'm a fan of the petty. That's the least surprising

2439
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 9: thing we've heard on the show this morning, Like getting

2440
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 9: pampered every once a while, especially if they do like

2441
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,240
Speaker 9: the wax thing. Oh man, I'm all in on this.

2442
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 9: I just can't imagine cousins sitting down and just like

2443
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 9: I've never gotten out of petty.

2444
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:06,040
Speaker 3: I got the manny, I got the manny, uh, but

2445
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 3: never got the packet the manny, you know, before my

2446
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 3: wedding and god maybe one or two other times I

2447
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 3: never got the petty.

2448
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 6: I've never got petties.

2449
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 9: Good because the petty is good because like you get

2450
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 9: the foot robin and the leg rub and like.

2451
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 4: Oh listen, I mean, I listen, sounds delightful, honest with you,

2452
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:26,200
Speaker 4: but I mean never, you.

2453
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:28,800
Speaker 5: Know, I am imagining fits he getting his petty while

2454
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 5: he's drinking his fruit fruit drink from a bougie coffee

2455
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 5: shop that has like fifteen thousand ingredients in it and that.

2456
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 9: Usually yes, but right now, right now, it's just water, buddy,

2457
01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 9: I'm still on my diet, so like, but you know,

2458
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 9: the funny thing is that you're not wrong. Like usually

2459
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 9: I like to stop and get the coffee first, because

2460
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 9: like a lot of the petty places will offer you

2461
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 9: like a glass of wine or whatever. Wine's not really

2462
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 9: my thing. So I'll just take my own like fruit

2463
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 9: fruit coffee in with like you know, eighty seven pumps

2464
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 9: of sugar f vanilla usually but not now, but like,

2465
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 9: and then sit back and then like they they you know,

2466
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 9: they scrub your feet and they like massage you eggs

2467
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 9: and then put the paraffin wax all over all. My god,

2468
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 9: and then your feet looks so good. You're the fir

2469
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 9: so soft. I'm telling you, like, we'll do a golf trip.

2470
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:10,640
Speaker 9: I'll play the golf if you guys will let me

2471
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 9: take you to get petties afterwards.

2472
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:14,960
Speaker 6: Hey, you know what, sign me upose to it.

2473
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 3: I may make we'll make a pack. Yeah, all right,

2474
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:20,400
Speaker 3: we're in. We'll do we'll go with you. All right,

2475
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:27,960
Speaker 3: it doesn't sounds great, like what's that the like? Believe me?

2476
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 3: I take my socks off now, but my wife like

2477
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 3: put it back on.

2478
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:33,720
Speaker 6: Don't Fell Sports.

2479
01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:46,240
Speaker 4: You're listening to Fox Sports. Well, good morning, good morning,

2480
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Speaker 4: good morning, good morning.

2481
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Speaker 9: The way you said that, that's well, good morning. I'm sorry,

2482
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Speaker 9: go ahead.

2483
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Speaker 3: been all over the place Quarterbacks with Trevor Lawrence and

2500
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:56,760
Speaker 3: the Extension, and we've been talking to the US Open

2501
02:00:56,920 --> 02:00:58,200
Speaker 3: and the Celtics.

2502
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 4: We've been all over right.

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Speaker 3: I even stuck in some baseball thinking and I were

2504
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:08,919
Speaker 3: able to talk a little baseball for three seconds before

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Speaker 3: our man over here hit.

2506
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 4: It's over to tower with the head with a hammer.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know that's the thing. Like, you just gotta

2508
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:17,760
Speaker 9: you know what, next time you guys want to talk baseball,

2509
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 9: I'll go like microwave my egg whites from my morning

2510
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,640
Speaker 9: breakfast while you guys did handle that. It'll be you know,

2511
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,760
Speaker 9: it'll be about to say for everybody there, we go

2512
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 9: all go handle the egg whites. You guys take care

2513
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:28,839
Speaker 9: of the baseball. It'll be perfect. It'll be perfect.

2514
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Speaker 3: I'll ask you, yes, just to start, I gotta give

2515
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:39,760
Speaker 3: you the Father's Day five. We got the brain coming up,

2516
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:43,680
Speaker 3: the whole thing. We still have to finish our updated

2517
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 3: win totals. We got that stuff going on. I wish

2518
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 3: we had another hour. I got these new odds on

2519
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 3: who's going to lead the league in rushing, receiving and

2520
02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 3: passing yards. I know you would like that. So we'll

2521
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,600
Speaker 3: get to that a little bit as well as we

2522
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:07,920
Speaker 3: do it. But when we think about the coach's quarterbacks, right,

2523
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 3: because we got this whole discussion about the quarterbacks, and

2524
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,920
Speaker 3: you're brought up Cousins, right, And you know, one of

2525
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 3: the things of all these guys, Lawrence, is it shows

2526
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:26,600
Speaker 3: you how few great coach like great offensive minds there are.

2527
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:30,560
Speaker 4: It's uncanny, right like.

2528
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:36,400
Speaker 3: That to me, is is almost more important than the

2529
02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 3: quarterback of and again figuring out a great example about

2530
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:44,160
Speaker 3: Nick Mullens and his greatest Shanahan is he couldn't turn

2531
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:47,320
Speaker 3: Nick Mullens into a winning quarterback. So you gotta have

2532
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:52,240
Speaker 3: a talent, but you gotta have the coach. And is

2533
02:02:52,840 --> 02:02:56,600
Speaker 3: that's what's holding Dac back? Like that is terrific?

2534
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 4: Right?

2535
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:59,320
Speaker 3: You give you all kinds of numbers, but there is

2536
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 3: that bumping his head on the clutch playoff moments.

2537
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:06,640
Speaker 4: Is that him or is that the coach?

2538
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:11,240
Speaker 9: I have to wonder. So at some point, if it's

2539
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:13,040
Speaker 9: the player, then it's the coach's job to get the

2540
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 9: player out of that spot. In my mind, so I

2541
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,880
Speaker 9: put a lot on coaching. And one thing I've told

2542
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:21,080
Speaker 9: you before and I'll say again, the number of former athletes,

2543
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 9: former NFL players that I have worked with and become

2544
02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:26,360
Speaker 9: friends with that have stressed to me repeatedly that they

2545
02:03:26,360 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 9: felt like they got better coaching at the college level

2546
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,760
Speaker 9: than at the pro's level. Like there are so many

2547
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 9: buddies that are on coaching staffs that sometimes you can

2548
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:37,520
Speaker 9: as an entire organization, you can lose trust from players

2549
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 9: simply because they look around and say, man, these are

2550
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:41,960
Speaker 9: my coaches, right, Like this guy doesn't know what he's

2551
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:44,680
Speaker 9: talking about. Like that's real in locker room. So I

2552
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,240
Speaker 9: think when you look at the greatness that Dak has

2553
02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:51,320
Speaker 9: been able to provide the world with his numbers, everybody says, well,

2554
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:54,520
Speaker 9: it's just numbers if you are capable of putting up

2555
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:57,200
Speaker 9: those sorts of numbers, but it has not resulted in wins.

2556
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 9: That I have to look around and say, Okay, what

2557
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 9: is the team done to try and coach that out?

2558
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:03,800
Speaker 9: Like what is the team done to try and fix that.

2559
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:06,120
Speaker 9: That's part on McCarthy, that's part on the offensive staff,

2560
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:08,440
Speaker 9: that's part of the quarterback coach. Like they all play

2561
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:10,760
Speaker 9: a role in it. Sports psychologists all play a role

2562
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,040
Speaker 9: in it. If somebody has the yips in the playoffs,

2563
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 9: then you got to figure out a way to get

2564
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:17,000
Speaker 9: through that. I believe that if you have shown the

2565
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:20,680
Speaker 9: capability over the course of seventeen games to be great

2566
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:23,360
Speaker 9: and you just can't be great in that one playoff game,

2567
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:26,760
Speaker 9: that that has to be at part the coaching staff's

2568
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:30,200
Speaker 9: responsibility to get that player through whatever that hump is.

2569
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,720
Speaker 9: I don't want to say that none of it is

2570
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:36,200
Speaker 9: Dak's fault, but man, even if Dak has that mental thing,

2571
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:38,760
Speaker 9: then you got to find the person on your staff

2572
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:39,800
Speaker 9: that can help him get through it.

2573
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 4: Big.

2574
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:43,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the interesting thing, because, yeah, the flip side

2575
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:45,960
Speaker 5: is if he can play well for seventeen straight weeks,

2576
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:47,840
Speaker 5: the coaches didn't all of a sudden forget how to coach,

2577
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:49,600
Speaker 5: which is because the stakes are a little bit higher.

2578
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:52,600
Speaker 5: If look, if it's all the same, we're still game planning,

2579
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:55,480
Speaker 5: it's still football. I realize the pressure is higher. All

2580
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:58,080
Speaker 5: of that. Sports psychology comes into the mix when it

2581
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 5: comes to that. I'm not saying that coaching doesn't necessarily matter,

2582
02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 5: but if the coaching get so spectacular for the majority

2583
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,800
Speaker 5: of the regular season and then something all of a

2584
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:08,840
Speaker 5: sudden flips in the mind of the player. I just

2585
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:11,000
Speaker 5: wonder how much the coaches can be blamed for that

2586
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:13,040
Speaker 5: one thing. I will say, just on a macro sense.

2587
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:14,480
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys heard any of Tom

2588
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:17,240
Speaker 5: Brady's a Hall of Fame, you know, retirement jersey speech

2589
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:20,400
Speaker 5: earlier this week is and he just talked about the

2590
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:24,760
Speaker 5: lack of lack of quarterback play, a quality quarterback play

2591
02:05:25,120 --> 02:05:28,440
Speaker 5: in the NFL today, and it really permeates from the

2592
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:30,840
Speaker 5: college level. And whether or not that I don't know

2593
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,360
Speaker 5: if that's players or if that's coaching, or if it's

2594
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 5: a combination of both. I have to think that it

2595
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 5: probably has to do a lot like the players are

2596
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,720
Speaker 5: no less talented now than they have been in years past.

2597
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 5: And maybe this is just you know, Tom Brady looking

2598
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 5: at it from his own perspective, him being one of

2599
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:45,840
Speaker 5: the all time greats. I don't know, but from being

2600
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:48,560
Speaker 5: going into be the elite analyst on Fox this year

2601
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,080
Speaker 5: and looking at tape the way that he does, seems

2602
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:54,440
Speaker 5: that the quarterback position is being played at an all

2603
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 5: time I won't say an all time low, but not

2604
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 5: as high of a quality position as it usually should be,

2605
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 5: and he says it really comes from the college game

2606
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:04,120
Speaker 5: and from a lack of coaching. So if that's what

2607
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:07,480
Speaker 5: it is, you mentioned that there's a dearth of lack

2608
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:10,440
Speaker 5: of quality coaches in the NFL and in college Anthony,

2609
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 5: that might be the reason why there's a dearth of

2610
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 5: a great quarterback play as well. It goes hand in

2611
02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:17,680
Speaker 5: hand the coach is coaching the players.

2612
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:21,360
Speaker 9: Well, sorry to interrupt you there, figure I'll chime in

2613
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:23,880
Speaker 9: here real quick because Charles Robinson at Yahoo did an

2614
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:26,440
Speaker 9: exclusive sit down with Brady this week and part of

2615
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 9: what Brady talked about is that now that the college

2616
02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:31,960
Speaker 9: game has become a set of mercenary one year at

2617
02:06:31,960 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 9: a time, nobody's really being developed. And I think that's

2618
02:06:35,480 --> 02:06:37,720
Speaker 9: probably a fair point. The only thing that I would

2619
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:40,400
Speaker 9: say in response to that is that there is no

2620
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:44,680
Speaker 9: longer a system existing in the NFL that provides development.

2621
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:47,839
Speaker 9: As I stress, every single year, by collective bargaining agreement,

2622
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:50,840
Speaker 9: you're only allowed to have, for example, fourteen padded practices

2623
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 9: per season, never two in a row during the course

2624
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 9: of the entire regular season. So only fourteen times will

2625
02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:58,880
Speaker 9: your favorite team put pads on during the season. Now

2626
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:01,280
Speaker 9: I realize they figure out way to emulate some of this,

2627
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:04,360
Speaker 9: but to me, that means if your team doesn't tackle well,

2628
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:06,839
Speaker 9: they ain't gonna tackle well. And so the question becomes

2629
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:10,080
Speaker 9: when do you develop players? Because the more we limit

2630
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:11,680
Speaker 9: guys around the facility, and the more we try and

2631
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:13,560
Speaker 9: figure out how to get better at certain things and

2632
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 9: manage guys time better, there has to be some level

2633
02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:19,160
Speaker 9: of conversation around how do you get the best out

2634
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 9: of every quarterback that you have? And you can do

2635
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:23,520
Speaker 9: part of that in the classroom, but there are certainly

2636
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 9: for generations, and cause you know this covering the sport

2637
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:29,040
Speaker 9: for so long, for generations there were guys that were

2638
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:31,640
Speaker 9: just they were practice guys, like they showed maybe they

2639
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:33,680
Speaker 9: weren't the best in the classroom, but in practice you

2640
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:35,240
Speaker 9: saw what they could do and it was special and

2641
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,320
Speaker 9: you had to development that. Now now the way practices

2642
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:40,120
Speaker 9: are limited, I don't even know how you do that.

2643
02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:42,840
Speaker 9: So it's less and less about development and more and

2644
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,640
Speaker 9: more about the fact they're like, you can either play

2645
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 9: or you can't, and maybe the coaches will make the

2646
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:49,160
Speaker 9: best of it, Like when's the last time we saw

2647
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:52,080
Speaker 9: a quarterback let's say Josh Allen is the one I

2648
02:07:52,120 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 9: can remember take a meteoric leap after he got into

2649
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:58,480
Speaker 9: the to the league at something, Josh Allen's completion percentage

2650
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 9: went up in incredible ways. The Bills did a rare

2651
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:04,280
Speaker 9: thing and insulated him and kept around people that could

2652
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:06,320
Speaker 9: help develop him to become the best he could be.

2653
02:08:06,640 --> 02:08:09,480
Speaker 9: That's so rare in the modern NFL. Like your guy

2654
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:11,280
Speaker 9: can either play or he can't play, and you got

2655
02:08:11,320 --> 02:08:12,720
Speaker 9: that figured out in two years now.

2656
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's almost that's the system, right, Like

2657
02:08:18,120 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 3: that's the.

2658
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 4: Right of passage. I should say, like it's going to

2659
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:24,320
Speaker 4: go like this, boom boom. You got to have a

2660
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:27,960
Speaker 4: decision made in two years because and I do think

2661
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:32,840
Speaker 4: that the way they did the rookie deal, which was smart, right,

2662
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:36,000
Speaker 4: like it used to be if you drafted a quarterback,

2663
02:08:36,040 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 4: you drafted Sam Bradford and he's a bust, the contract burried.

2664
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 6: You or JaMarcus Russell. Yeah, there's numerous examples.

2665
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the changing that rule was I think a

2666
02:08:48,440 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 3: huge deal for them.

2667
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:54,080
Speaker 9: One hundred percent. It allows everybody to just you know,

2668
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:57,880
Speaker 9: continually float through rosters. But now you know in this

2669
02:08:57,960 --> 02:08:59,480
Speaker 9: and I know we're sort of preaching to the choir

2670
02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:01,640
Speaker 9: for a lot of famis, but stability no longer exists

2671
02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:04,360
Speaker 9: in the NFL. So if every coach is in theory

2672
02:09:04,440 --> 02:09:06,200
Speaker 9: coaching for their job every couple of years, like I

2673
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:08,320
Speaker 9: think there's a really good chance this year that Brian

2674
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:09,760
Speaker 9: Dable is going to get fired by the end of

2675
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:12,640
Speaker 9: the season. That you need Daniel Jones to be the

2676
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 9: guy that saves your entire coaching staff. That's not who

2677
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:18,240
Speaker 9: I want to bank on to save anything. So Daniel

2678
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:21,000
Speaker 9: Jones will struggle this year, the Giants won't be very good,

2679
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 9: and Dable gets fired. To think about what that means

2680
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:26,040
Speaker 9: compared to the conversations we had about da bol a

2681
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:27,800
Speaker 9: couple of years ago, just speaks to the fact that

2682
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:31,160
Speaker 9: now at every single position, in every single way, every

2683
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:34,520
Speaker 9: organization is a revolving door. So a league that's built

2684
02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:36,680
Speaker 9: to try and compete every year, if you're not doing

2685
02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:39,800
Speaker 9: that in some sense one or two years in, you're

2686
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 9: changing everything constantly. So how do you fix that change?

2687
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:44,600
Speaker 9: You got to hope that at some point this is

2688
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:46,080
Speaker 9: not a way to pay your mortgage, but you got

2689
02:09:46,120 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 9: to hope you hit the lottery. You got to hope

2690
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 9: at some point, somehow, someway, you find your Oh my god,

2691
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:53,800
Speaker 9: I can't believe we got this coach quarterback combination, which

2692
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:56,120
Speaker 9: basically means you're just going back to the table rolling

2693
02:09:56,200 --> 02:09:58,360
Speaker 9: the dice every year and you're just hoping, like hell

2694
02:09:58,440 --> 02:09:59,720
Speaker 9: that this is the year. You got to figure it

2695
02:09:59,720 --> 02:10:02,040
Speaker 9: out of a way to do business, has nothing to

2696
02:10:02,080 --> 02:10:04,600
Speaker 9: do with development, doesn't make teams better long term, but

2697
02:10:04,640 --> 02:10:05,680
Speaker 9: that's a modern NFL.

2698
02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you're right. Everything you just said

2699
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:10,280
Speaker 4: I agree with.

2700
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:12,800
Speaker 3: The only thing I don't agree with is I don't

2701
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:16,600
Speaker 3: think Dable gets fired even if the Giants. I don't

2702
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:19,120
Speaker 3: think the Giant's gonna be good. I don't think Daniel

2703
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 3: Jones the guy. I did hear something that if he

2704
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:30,160
Speaker 3: was on the hot seat, then he would have taken

2705
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 3: a shot at the quarterback meeting McCarthy. But the fact

2706
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 3: that he goes and gets the wide receiver means he's

2707
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 3: not under that sort of pressure.

2708
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:47,720
Speaker 4: He's got a pressure.

2709
02:10:47,720 --> 02:10:50,760
Speaker 9: But sort of I sort of buy that. But also

2710
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:55,200
Speaker 9: that one wide receiver gonna make a huge difference. So maybe,

2711
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:57,200
Speaker 9: I mean, maybe if you're a Giants fan, you're thinking

2712
02:10:57,240 --> 02:10:59,040
Speaker 9: that's you know, but if you're a Giants fan, that's

2713
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:01,200
Speaker 9: what you thought Darren Wall was going to be a

2714
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:04,880
Speaker 9: year ago. Also, So like I I buy some of that.

2715
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:07,240
Speaker 9: But also, if you don't believe you're going to be

2716
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,000
Speaker 9: around long enough to stick around to see a quarterback development,

2717
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:12,360
Speaker 9: do you take the wide receiver that maybe gives you

2718
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:14,240
Speaker 9: the best shot to at least get something out of

2719
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:16,840
Speaker 9: it now so you can sort of hold the Wolves off?

2720
02:11:18,160 --> 02:11:20,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and it will be mediocre, be enough

2721
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:22,120
Speaker 5: to even save you if you're if you're you know,

2722
02:11:22,240 --> 02:11:24,720
Speaker 5: seven and ten or eight and nine and maybe you

2723
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:26,720
Speaker 5: just missed the play. I mean you can, you're still

2724
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:28,440
Speaker 5: just as liable to lose your job, even if it's

2725
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:31,360
Speaker 5: not a total disaster, you know. So that doesn't give

2726
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 5: you anything either. If Daniel Jones is decent, your neighbors

2727
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,040
Speaker 5: plays great, and you gar your ball out and put

2728
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:38,240
Speaker 5: up some good offensive numbers, but you don't make the postseason,

2729
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:40,600
Speaker 5: are you any less on the hot seat at that point?

2730
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:43,560
Speaker 5: Are they any less on the chopping block at that point?

2731
02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? So from what I heard is that. Also, remember

2732
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:53,200
Speaker 3: how the Giants do things. They do things very They're

2733
02:11:53,240 --> 02:11:57,600
Speaker 3: not rash when it comes to coaches and they love,

2734
02:11:57,720 --> 02:11:58,880
Speaker 3: They still love Dable.

2735
02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:01,080
Speaker 6: They are very loyal. I will say that sometimes.

2736
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:04,800
Speaker 3: I mean that's Mara, So I mean and I'm just

2737
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:08,680
Speaker 3: giving you. They're kind of in that mode of, Hey,

2738
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:10,960
Speaker 3: you know, we understand if you're going to do this,

2739
02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, we want you to do the best, you know,

2740
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:19,720
Speaker 3: for the organization and not and not just force and

2741
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:22,960
Speaker 3: that that was the issue of forcing the quarterback.

2742
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,560
Speaker 4: They didn't want to force the quarterback.

2743
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:28,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, well you can't force it. Like, the one thing

2744
02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:31,120
Speaker 9: I would say is at the draft, and I've been

2745
02:12:31,120 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 9: consistent on this for the seven years I've covered it,

2746
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,800
Speaker 9: Taking a quarterback just because you need one is not

2747
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:39,080
Speaker 9: the right thing to do. Reaching for a quarterback is

2748
02:12:39,120 --> 02:12:41,160
Speaker 9: not right thing to do. Forcing a quarterback is not

2749
02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:43,120
Speaker 9: the right thing to do, because if you're wrong on it,

2750
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:45,400
Speaker 9: you are going to set your organization back a couple

2751
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:47,880
Speaker 9: of years, and you're likely everybody's going to get fired. Like,

2752
02:12:48,360 --> 02:12:50,760
Speaker 9: very few organizations get the chance to get it wrong

2753
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,440
Speaker 9: at the quarterback position. The forty nine ers are the

2754
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:56,160
Speaker 9: rare exception, but that's because they drafted incredibly well for

2755
02:12:56,240 --> 02:12:58,640
Speaker 9: years leading up to that. Right, So it is a

2756
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:01,600
Speaker 9: smart strategy to not force the quarterback position. It was

2757
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:04,680
Speaker 9: a smart strategy this year is a smart strategy last

2758
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:07,320
Speaker 9: year as much as people. You know, we're clamoring over

2759
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:08,960
Speaker 9: will Levis at one point and it was like, now,

2760
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:11,120
Speaker 9: you don't clamor over will Levis. Let's get it real here.

2761
02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:14,400
Speaker 9: You cannot chase the quarterback positions just because you need one.

2762
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 9: Problem is, if you don't have a quarterback, you're not

2763
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 9: going to win at the highest level, especially in the

2764
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:20,880
Speaker 9: modern AFC. If you don't have somebody that can compete

2765
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,640
Speaker 9: with Burrow, Mahomes and Allen, you're not going to get

2766
02:13:23,680 --> 02:13:25,280
Speaker 9: to You're not going to give yourself much of a

2767
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:28,880
Speaker 9: chance to actually be successful. Problem is, what do you

2768
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:31,320
Speaker 9: do if the Borough, Mahomes and Allen isn't available to you.

2769
02:13:31,480 --> 02:13:33,440
Speaker 9: I think there are plenty of teams right now that

2770
02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:35,920
Speaker 9: are just sort of stuck in the realm of mediocrity

2771
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:37,800
Speaker 9: and there's nothing that they're going to be able to

2772
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:39,760
Speaker 9: do for the next five years that will change the

2773
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:41,960
Speaker 9: fact that they're going to gravitate between eight and nine

2774
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:43,720
Speaker 9: and nine and eight for the next five years. And

2775
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 9: that's just that's the real reality of it. I hope

2776
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:47,920
Speaker 9: you make the playoffs. You hope you get a shot,

2777
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:49,640
Speaker 9: but you're not going to have one. And the Chiefs

2778
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 9: and the Bills and the Bengals are going to continue

2779
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:54,520
Speaker 9: to dominate. The Ravens are going to continue to dominate

2780
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:57,280
Speaker 9: because they've got the right tandem of coaching quarterback.

2781
02:13:57,360 --> 02:13:57,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2782
02:13:57,600 --> 02:13:59,360
Speaker 5: I was always going to say, what you do is

2783
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:02,080
Speaker 5: you hope that you end up finding Alamar Jackson at

2784
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:04,000
Speaker 5: the bottom of the first round, or say a brock

2785
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:06,200
Speaker 5: Party late in the draft. But again, if you're going

2786
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:08,160
Speaker 5: to find brock Party, you got to have the guy

2787
02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:10,320
Speaker 5: that can actually coach him up. It brings us full

2788
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,080
Speaker 5: circle back to the beginning of the conversation of coaching

2789
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:15,400
Speaker 5: and having the right coach in place to be able

2790
02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:18,680
Speaker 5: to coach certain players of certain skill levels within a system,

2791
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,200
Speaker 5: and there's just not a lot of great coaches who

2792
02:14:21,200 --> 02:14:22,680
Speaker 5: have the ability to do that out there.

2793
02:14:23,240 --> 02:14:27,839
Speaker 9: Imagine having to bank your ability to feed your family

2794
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:30,240
Speaker 9: on the Well, maybe we can get it right with

2795
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 9: this guy, and that's like, that's where we are with

2796
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:34,800
Speaker 9: a bunch of these quarterbacks. Souse, You're right, I think

2797
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:37,240
Speaker 9: it's a smart strategy to trade back down into the

2798
02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:39,600
Speaker 9: bottom of the first round. Trade up, I should say,

2799
02:14:39,640 --> 02:14:41,320
Speaker 9: to the bottom of the first round and just try

2800
02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:43,839
Speaker 9: and get a quarterback there. If it's not that prime,

2801
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 9: you know, you're not reaching at that point. You're trying

2802
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:47,360
Speaker 9: to be smart about it. I think it's a smart

2803
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:50,080
Speaker 9: strategy to take a quarterback in the second round that hey,

2804
02:14:50,120 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 9: maybe this guy can work out. Those are all if

2805
02:14:52,120 --> 02:14:53,840
Speaker 9: you don't have the guy you can bank on that,

2806
02:14:54,280 --> 02:14:57,040
Speaker 9: that's a very smart thing to do. I think the

2807
02:14:57,120 --> 02:14:59,480
Speaker 9: mistake is reaching for a Michael Pennix junior and that

2808
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:02,040
Speaker 9: doesn't matter or if you if you're Atlanta or somebody

2809
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:03,960
Speaker 9: else that took him that high. I think that's where

2810
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:06,440
Speaker 9: it becomes a mistake. But imagine coming in and being like, well,

2811
02:15:06,440 --> 02:15:09,640
Speaker 9: what's our business strategy. Well, we're just gonna take a

2812
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:11,920
Speaker 9: flyer on this guy and hope, like hell it works out,

2813
02:15:11,960 --> 02:15:14,160
Speaker 9: because if it doesn't, we're all losing her jobs.

2814
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:16,480
Speaker 4: Like that's crazy, I know, I know.

2815
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:20,200
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a quick kind of pivot here

2816
02:15:20,840 --> 02:15:24,320
Speaker 3: and let me give you the five Father's Day questions.

2817
02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:27,560
Speaker 3: All right, and I'm curious to see where you guys

2818
02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:29,680
Speaker 3: are with these questions.

2819
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:30,160
Speaker 4: All right.

2820
02:15:30,240 --> 02:15:38,000
Speaker 3: Question number one is this, give me your best give

2821
02:15:38,040 --> 02:15:43,600
Speaker 3: me your best TV dad, and your best movie dad

2822
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:49,160
Speaker 3: that you would want as your own father. All right,

2823
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:53,760
Speaker 3: so I'll give you that one first Figgi, you wanted

2824
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:55,320
Speaker 3: to take the honors.

2825
02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:58,560
Speaker 6: TV dad that I would want.

2826
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:05,600
Speaker 5: Well see, I grew up loving family matters and I

2827
02:16:05,640 --> 02:16:07,440
Speaker 5: like Carl Winslow, so I might go with that.

2828
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 6: Actually, you know what, I'm gonna take that back. I'm

2829
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:10,160
Speaker 6: gonna go with.

2830
02:16:10,160 --> 02:16:15,280
Speaker 5: Uncle Phil, Uncle Phil, Yes, Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince

2831
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:15,680
Speaker 5: for sure.

2832
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, nothing go on.

2833
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:23,760
Speaker 9: I was gonna say, nothing speaks to the slight differences

2834
02:16:23,800 --> 02:16:25,640
Speaker 9: in who we are as the fellas that you went

2835
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:32,320
Speaker 9: with like a really cool, awesome, intelligent, smart, loving, hard

2836
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:36,800
Speaker 9: but fair, tough but fair person that just absolutely took

2837
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:40,440
Speaker 9: somebody into that family, like iconic TV dad. And my

2838
02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:42,560
Speaker 9: first thought was Phil Dumphy from Modern Family. I want,

2839
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:45,080
Speaker 9: I want like a lovable doof like that. That's a

2840
02:16:45,160 --> 02:16:47,480
Speaker 9: lovable idiot. That's kind of what I want. It's it's funny,

2841
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:51,480
Speaker 9: it speaks your your decision on that was so smart,

2842
02:16:51,520 --> 02:16:53,279
Speaker 9: And then I'm sitting here thinking I'm more of a Phil.

2843
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:55,199
Speaker 6: Dumpy guy from a comedic standpoint.

2844
02:16:55,240 --> 02:16:56,840
Speaker 5: Al Bundy was definitely on the list, but I don't

2845
02:16:56,840 --> 02:16:58,560
Speaker 5: think i'd want him raising me to be honest with you,

2846
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:00,080
Speaker 5: that's probably.

2847
02:17:01,959 --> 02:17:04,240
Speaker 4: How about how about how about this.

2848
02:17:04,360 --> 02:17:12,160
Speaker 3: Of the TV gangster dads breaking bad Walter White, m hm,

2849
02:17:13,080 --> 02:17:17,240
Speaker 3: Tony Soprano and I had the other one too, I

2850
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:23,240
Speaker 3: forgot oh, and then the judge Brian krantzton plays the

2851
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:27,879
Speaker 3: judge who covered up for his son.

2852
02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:33,840
Speaker 9: No, I want one hundred percent that's Tony Spranto. Like,

2853
02:17:33,879 --> 02:17:35,560
Speaker 9: if I'm gonna have a gangster dad, I want the

2854
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:39,000
Speaker 9: biggest badass on the block, Like like where I can

2855
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:40,680
Speaker 9: just say whatever and he might, you know, whap me

2856
02:17:40,760 --> 02:17:42,120
Speaker 9: up to the side of the back of the head.

2857
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:44,560
Speaker 9: But I can get away with anything outside of the

2858
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:46,360
Speaker 9: house with that guy as my dad. Like that's what

2859
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:47,359
Speaker 9: I want.

2860
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:49,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that fits.

2861
02:17:49,080 --> 02:17:50,960
Speaker 5: I would go with Walter White because I think there's

2862
02:17:51,080 --> 02:17:54,360
Speaker 5: plausible deniability in that everything that he's doing, he's doing

2863
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:56,680
Speaker 5: it for the right reasons, or at least he's convincing

2864
02:17:56,720 --> 02:17:59,520
Speaker 5: himself that he is to try to make money, to

2865
02:17:59,560 --> 02:18:02,200
Speaker 5: stay a lot, to help his family, and he will

2866
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:04,840
Speaker 5: do anything and everything necessary to make sure that he

2867
02:18:04,879 --> 02:18:07,040
Speaker 5: makes that possible. And it's not because he is just

2868
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:09,640
Speaker 5: inherently an evil person. There's a reason why he's doing

2869
02:18:09,680 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 5: what he's doing, and so there's a lot of messed

2870
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:15,720
Speaker 5: up stuff that he did, but you can justify it. Bye,

2871
02:18:15,720 --> 02:18:17,960
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to provide for my family, man, and

2872
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:20,360
Speaker 5: I can respect that part, but I don't I do

2873
02:18:20,480 --> 02:18:23,080
Speaker 5: not buy any means adorse many of the things that

2874
02:18:23,080 --> 02:18:25,119
Speaker 5: he did. I just want to make sure I make

2875
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:29,200
Speaker 5: that part clear, abundantly clear.

2876
02:18:29,640 --> 02:18:32,119
Speaker 9: Are we specific here to just the drug dealing.

2877
02:18:31,959 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 5: Well, or the drug dealing, the murdering, you know, stuff

2878
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:36,800
Speaker 5: like stuff like that.

2879
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 6: I thought you did have a good time fun. Oh,

2880
02:18:44,480 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 6: movie Dad.

2881
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:48,760
Speaker 5: By the way, I gotta go with John Witherspoon's character

2882
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:53,320
Speaker 5: from Friday Ice Cepe Shoving Friday. Oh, that's great, hysterical,

2883
02:18:53,480 --> 02:18:56,200
Speaker 5: also well intended. Things will probably come out the way

2884
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:57,800
Speaker 5: that you want all the time. But you know, he's

2885
02:18:57,840 --> 02:18:59,680
Speaker 5: well intended and he's in a great father figure and

2886
02:18:59,800 --> 02:19:02,480
Speaker 5: the great speech about you know, using your hands to

2887
02:19:02,520 --> 02:19:04,480
Speaker 5: fight and not using guns and all that was something

2888
02:19:04,520 --> 02:19:06,160
Speaker 5: that really struck me watching that as a kid.

2889
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:08,200
Speaker 6: So he would be the movie Dad that I would

2890
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:08,440
Speaker 6: go with.

2891
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:10,240
Speaker 4: How about Laurence Fishburn?

2892
02:19:10,879 --> 02:19:14,360
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, boys Hood for sure, another good one.

2893
02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:17,240
Speaker 6: Absolutely so Movie Dad.

2894
02:19:17,600 --> 02:19:21,240
Speaker 9: If we were still talking TV version of this, my case,

2895
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:23,680
Speaker 9: it would have been clearly Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights,

2896
02:19:23,680 --> 02:19:25,520
Speaker 9: but I didn't like the movie version of them as much.

2897
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 9: So my movie dad choice again, because I'm a moron

2898
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:31,720
Speaker 9: on this show is gonna be Clark Griswold, Like I

2899
02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:32,520
Speaker 9: want a movie.

2900
02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:35,400
Speaker 4: There, Like initially, that's great answer.

2901
02:19:35,400 --> 02:19:38,720
Speaker 9: Like somebody that's just like at its core. The reason

2902
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:41,240
Speaker 9: I love Christmas Vacation every year, and the reason it's

2903
02:19:41,240 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 9: one of my favorite movies is simply because like there's

2904
02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:49,000
Speaker 9: such an endearing, loving quality to everything about Clark that like, yeah,

2905
02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:51,760
Speaker 9: he's a moron and he gets everything wrong, but through

2906
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:54,080
Speaker 9: the entire process, all he's trying to do is like

2907
02:19:54,800 --> 02:19:56,680
Speaker 9: have the best time with his family and like bring

2908
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:58,600
Speaker 9: them together. I'm all in on Clark Griswold.

2909
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:00,480
Speaker 4: I like it. I like it.

2910
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:04,000
Speaker 3: All right, we have to quick CEO. I'll continue the

2911
02:20:04,120 --> 02:20:07,039
Speaker 3: Father's Day. We'll also talk to the Brain. That's all

2912
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:15,680
Speaker 3: coming up next, Fellas hanging Fox Sports Radio. All right,

2913
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:24,920
Speaker 3: welcome back, Fellas on a Father's Day weekend, hanging out

2914
02:20:25,800 --> 02:20:27,880
Speaker 3: from the tire Rack dot Com Studios.

2915
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:31,000
Speaker 4: All right, boys, we got the Brain coming up in

2916
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,080
Speaker 4: about two minutes. I just want to hate you one

2917
02:20:33,080 --> 02:20:36,320
Speaker 4: more question as you try to get through this because

2918
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:39,920
Speaker 4: it's always fun. Give me this.

2919
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:45,400
Speaker 3: The best father son duo in sports, like your favorite

2920
02:20:45,959 --> 02:20:47,920
Speaker 3: father son duo in sports?

2921
02:20:48,760 --> 02:20:49,680
Speaker 4: Who you got.

2922
02:20:50,959 --> 02:20:53,200
Speaker 6: You want to start, fizzy, No, that's tough.

2923
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:55,680
Speaker 9: I need a second to think about that one. I

2924
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:58,840
Speaker 9: gotta go through. That's probably fair.

2925
02:20:58,959 --> 02:21:01,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, come on, and I mean to have

2926
02:21:01,320 --> 02:21:02,760
Speaker 5: one of the great moments of all time where they

2927
02:21:02,840 --> 02:21:04,800
Speaker 5: hit home runs back to back in the same game.

2928
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:08,080
Speaker 4: I mean pretty incredible that that was amazing and I

2929
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:11,760
Speaker 4: love I was a huge junior fan.

2930
02:21:12,200 --> 02:21:12,680
Speaker 6: Amazing.

2931
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:14,680
Speaker 5: You know, I will say as a as a young

2932
02:21:15,320 --> 02:21:19,560
Speaker 5: black kid growing up, you know, he really inspired was

2933
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:21,920
Speaker 5: really the inspiration to me watching and being interested in

2934
02:21:21,959 --> 02:21:24,080
Speaker 5: watching Major League Baseball in a sport that wasn't very

2935
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:26,879
Speaker 5: popular in the inner city. The backwards cap at the

2936
02:21:26,920 --> 02:21:30,000
Speaker 5: home run derby, like all of that. He he was

2937
02:21:30,040 --> 02:21:31,600
Speaker 5: a big inspiration to me and some of my friends

2938
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:33,640
Speaker 5: as to why we even got into watching baseball in

2939
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:36,440
Speaker 5: the first place. And I will tell you change changed

2940
02:21:36,480 --> 02:21:38,560
Speaker 5: my life to a certain degree.

2941
02:21:38,959 --> 02:21:40,360
Speaker 4: I could I could totally see that.

2942
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:42,680
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, I don't know if you have

2943
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:48,279
Speaker 3: any dealings with them, I know them the greatest guys

2944
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:49,640
Speaker 3: I've ever covered.

2945
02:21:49,959 --> 02:21:51,640
Speaker 4: I loved Junior.

2946
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:55,560
Speaker 3: I mean, uh, one of the best, one of the

2947
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:56,720
Speaker 3: best deal ever.

2948
02:21:57,320 --> 02:22:02,439
Speaker 4: I mean, he's just he's just a great dude, incredible.

2949
02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:06,600
Speaker 9: I have the Griffies was the first father son duo

2950
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:09,480
Speaker 9: that came to mind. So that's a great, great call

2951
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:13,200
Speaker 9: by you. I also think of the Mannings. Obviously, arch

2952
02:22:13,360 --> 02:22:15,600
Speaker 9: and Peyton or Arch and Eli, take anything you want

2953
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:16,960
Speaker 9: out of that. They're sort of the first family of

2954
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:19,280
Speaker 9: football right now. But I'll go a little off the

2955
02:22:19,320 --> 02:22:21,760
Speaker 9: grid because they're both Hall of famers. I will go

2956
02:22:21,800 --> 02:22:23,960
Speaker 9: with the whole family, Bobby whole, Brett whole little hockey

2957
02:22:23,959 --> 02:22:24,480
Speaker 9: action for you.

2958
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:27,240
Speaker 4: Oh ah, that's a good dude.

2959
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:31,000
Speaker 9: I like that both of them were sort of iconic

2960
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:34,879
Speaker 9: stars in their own generation, unstoppable and like, yeah, that one.

2961
02:22:35,160 --> 02:22:37,360
Speaker 9: So that one also came to mind. So I'm sort

2962
02:22:37,360 --> 02:22:39,560
Speaker 9: of torn, So to be different, I'll go Bobby and Brett.

2963
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:43,520
Speaker 3: I like that a lot. That's very good. I got

2964
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:46,840
Speaker 3: to give you a Manning story real quick. So when

2965
02:22:46,879 --> 02:22:51,000
Speaker 3: I had my son Anthony, I.

2966
02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:53,160
Speaker 4: Wrote a story. I pitched the story to Esquire magazine

2967
02:22:53,680 --> 02:23:00,640
Speaker 4: and it was advice from Archie Manning, because you know,

2968
02:23:00,680 --> 02:23:03,840
Speaker 4: it's during Peyton's hey day, right, and he's got Peyton

2969
02:23:03,879 --> 02:23:06,440
Speaker 4: and Eli, and of course you know, I got my

2970
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:10,320
Speaker 4: eyes on a young one of my baby I want

2971
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:14,440
Speaker 4: to see him play football. Right, So the mission of

2972
02:23:14,480 --> 02:23:15,160
Speaker 4: the piece.

2973
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:17,880
Speaker 3: Was to get advice from the first Family of football

2974
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:22,640
Speaker 3: and Archie. So I'd sit down with Archie and I

2975
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:24,199
Speaker 3: and I interview and write the story.

2976
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:27,240
Speaker 4: But he told me a great, great story.

2977
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:32,240
Speaker 3: That he had the number He had a belt that

2978
02:23:32,360 --> 02:23:36,240
Speaker 3: he got as a gift, and the belt had his

2979
02:23:36,320 --> 02:23:39,680
Speaker 3: number eight on it and the buckle was the number eight,

2980
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:45,680
Speaker 3: and it was like an oversized cowboy belt buckle, right,

2981
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:50,560
Speaker 3: And he said that he would have the buckle the

2982
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:56,040
Speaker 3: belt hanging in his room, so anytime the kids got

2983
02:23:56,080 --> 02:24:02,040
Speaker 3: into any trouble, right, he would have the belt hagg it.

2984
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:04,640
Speaker 3: And so they would see that, and they called it

2985
02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:07,680
Speaker 3: to number eight. And he said, if you ever got

2986
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:09,960
Speaker 3: in trouble, the number eight's waiting for you.

2987
02:24:11,480 --> 02:24:14,640
Speaker 4: And I thought it was fantastic.

2988
02:24:14,959 --> 02:24:18,440
Speaker 3: So I answered Peyton about it, and Peyton said, yeah, dude,

2989
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:23,280
Speaker 3: he goes the one time the concession stand at the

2990
02:24:23,320 --> 02:24:27,600
Speaker 3: Little League was open and me, Eli and a couple

2991
02:24:27,640 --> 02:24:30,920
Speaker 3: of our friends went in and raided it. And got

2992
02:24:31,120 --> 02:24:34,480
Speaker 3: ate all the food and you know, like they robbed,

2993
02:24:34,520 --> 02:24:36,480
Speaker 3: not rob but well they did you know, you ate

2994
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:38,520
Speaker 3: all the food and stuff. So when he got home,

2995
02:24:40,280 --> 02:24:44,959
Speaker 3: right right, and so anyway, what happens is Arn'tie gets

2996
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:49,000
Speaker 3: wins and the number eight almost.

2997
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:50,840
Speaker 6: Came out like he had to eight in his hand.

2998
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:58,760
Speaker 4: Right Anyway, I thought that was that was that was

2999
02:24:58,800 --> 02:24:59,440
Speaker 4: great stuff.

3000
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:05,280
Speaker 3: And now my son, so Anthony is fourteen. In fact,

3001
02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:09,879
Speaker 3: he just graduated eighth grade. Right, So the last two nights,

3002
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:12,600
Speaker 3: the last I mean the last two days, he's had

3003
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:16,480
Speaker 3: his first practice for high school football. So they had

3004
02:25:16,520 --> 02:25:20,720
Speaker 3: the workouts and uh, he waited in the whole thing.

3005
02:25:21,400 --> 02:25:24,240
Speaker 3: They start early, like he just graduated and he's got

3006
02:25:24,520 --> 02:25:27,120
Speaker 3: he already had two workouts grades high school team.

3007
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:28,440
Speaker 9: How's that transition for him?

3008
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:28,640
Speaker 16: Is that?

3009
02:25:28,760 --> 02:25:30,080
Speaker 9: Was that going to be a big leap you think?

3010
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:32,560
Speaker 9: Or is he just music carcado? So he's he's you know,

3011
02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:35,840
Speaker 9: he's got the size, he's got the know how, he's

3012
02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:38,560
Speaker 9: got the coaching at home. Come ons, how's the transition?

3013
02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:40,640
Speaker 6: He certainly not a small kid, we'll say that.

3014
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so he's he just got wayed in. So

3015
02:25:44,120 --> 02:25:50,560
Speaker 3: he's he's six feet one seventy two thirteen. Yeah, so

3016
02:25:51,280 --> 02:25:55,600
Speaker 3: he's got good. He was a size thirteen sneaker. Yeah,

3017
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:58,640
Speaker 3: so he's got that. Like he he like, I'm hoping

3018
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:02,720
Speaker 3: he's like, he's got to another three inches, right, I

3019
02:26:02,840 --> 02:26:05,360
Speaker 3: think so, right, Yeah, I'm hoping. I'm hoping he's got

3020
02:26:05,360 --> 02:26:10,160
Speaker 3: another three inches and he gets that and I think

3021
02:26:10,200 --> 02:26:12,600
Speaker 3: he'll be good. And so I got him working on

3022
02:26:12,720 --> 02:26:16,120
Speaker 3: the edge and at tight end. So I like, I

3023
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:19,000
Speaker 3: think he's profile and edge and tight end.

3024
02:26:20,080 --> 02:26:21,240
Speaker 9: What does he want to play?

3025
02:26:23,400 --> 02:26:27,400
Speaker 3: No, I think that's I think he's pretty. He's open,

3026
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:28,240
Speaker 3: he doesn't care.

3027
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:31,280
Speaker 4: He like he loves being a part of it.

3028
02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:33,840
Speaker 3: He loves doing it. He likes I think he likes

3029
02:26:33,879 --> 02:26:38,240
Speaker 3: defense the best. Right, he loves it, right, he loves defense.

3030
02:26:38,360 --> 02:26:41,240
Speaker 17: Deliver supposed to take him? I feeling yeah, you know,

3031
02:26:41,879 --> 02:26:44,520
Speaker 17: And I think like I moved him. He was playing

3032
02:26:45,400 --> 02:26:48,400
Speaker 17: he was playing guard or tackle.

3033
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:53,240
Speaker 3: I mean he's actually playing tackle right tackle, and he's

3034
02:26:53,240 --> 02:26:55,520
Speaker 3: not going to be he doesn't have a tackle body.

3035
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:57,560
Speaker 3: He shot up a little bit and he got kind

3036
02:26:57,560 --> 02:27:00,360
Speaker 3: of leaned out. So I moved him the tight because

3037
02:27:00,360 --> 02:27:03,279
Speaker 3: you can still block, and he's starting to get faster.

3038
02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:05,760
Speaker 3: So I've been working on his speed with him, so

3039
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:08,520
Speaker 3: he's got you know, so I think he can profiles

3040
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:09,080
Speaker 3: the tight end.

3041
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:12,200
Speaker 9: It's such an interesting concept that you're talking about there,

3042
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:14,840
Speaker 9: like to start at one position but understanding the gross

3043
02:27:14,879 --> 02:27:18,600
Speaker 9: spurts come and such. Like the summer between eighth and

3044
02:27:18,680 --> 02:27:20,959
Speaker 9: ninth grade was my big gross spurt and my weight

3045
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:23,360
Speaker 9: didn't change, but I went from being a fat kid

3046
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:26,080
Speaker 9: to being super skinny because I grew so much that

3047
02:27:26,200 --> 02:27:30,480
Speaker 9: summer and wildly painful summer. But it's funny how you

3048
02:27:30,480 --> 02:27:32,680
Speaker 9: don't think about a kid being like, well, he's it

3049
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:33,920
Speaker 9: looks like he's going to be this. Then all of

3050
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:35,440
Speaker 9: a sudden he's like, well, it took a gross spurt,

3051
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:37,200
Speaker 9: so now we're going to try him over here, like

3052
02:27:37,640 --> 02:27:40,840
Speaker 9: try a different skills. So that that's kind of crazy, it.

3053
02:27:40,760 --> 02:27:42,760
Speaker 3: Is, And you know what, like you got to almost

3054
02:27:42,879 --> 02:27:47,080
Speaker 3: do it because like you wanted them to get to

3055
02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:49,880
Speaker 3: play the best position to make them succeed, right, like

3056
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:53,000
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, that's that's a part of you

3057
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:54,920
Speaker 3: got to navigate that piece of it, all right.

3058
02:27:54,959 --> 02:27:56,440
Speaker 4: The brain is with us.

3059
02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:00,520
Speaker 3: Uh, let's get a quick visit from the brain and

3060
02:28:00,600 --> 02:28:03,640
Speaker 3: let me just say this. At brad'sbeest bets dot com

3061
02:28:03,879 --> 02:28:07,960
Speaker 3: is how you reach them. Brad called double digit victory

3062
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:10,280
Speaker 3: for the Mavericks last night.

3063
02:28:12,680 --> 02:28:14,640
Speaker 16: That was a good Yeah, Anthony, we talked by going

3064
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:16,280
Speaker 16: like that as an all trip play. I kind of

3065
02:28:16,440 --> 02:28:20,840
Speaker 16: that I could see a twenty point win. We got it.

3066
02:28:20,959 --> 02:28:24,200
Speaker 16: You know. The Dallas obviously just was there night and Boston.

3067
02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:26,720
Speaker 16: You know what, Listen, They're still going to win the series,

3068
02:28:26,760 --> 02:28:29,280
Speaker 16: but Dallas at least had their flowers for one night.

3069
02:28:30,680 --> 02:28:32,760
Speaker 9: I mean that's a real question. Did you see anything

3070
02:28:33,160 --> 02:28:34,920
Speaker 9: in that game that makes you change the way you

3071
02:28:34,959 --> 02:28:36,640
Speaker 9: think the rest of this series is going to go,

3072
02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:39,200
Speaker 9: even if even if Boston still wins, did you see

3073
02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:41,000
Speaker 9: something that changes the way you're playing the rest of

3074
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:41,560
Speaker 9: this series?

3075
02:28:41,800 --> 02:28:45,560
Speaker 16: Well, listen, I full transparency. I've been on the Dallas

3076
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:49,840
Speaker 16: side all four games, and basically they're one, two and

3077
02:28:49,959 --> 02:28:53,199
Speaker 16: one in covering. You know, they they pushed in game two,

3078
02:28:53,720 --> 02:28:56,560
Speaker 16: and they Boston covered you know, the games one and three,

3079
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:58,680
Speaker 16: and then obviously Dallas covered this game. I look, I

3080
02:28:58,760 --> 02:29:03,280
Speaker 16: lean Dallas again game for I'm sorry game five be

3081
02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:06,800
Speaker 16: getting seven points, but no, I think I fully expect

3082
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:09,080
Speaker 16: Boston probably to close out this game, but I think

3083
02:29:09,080 --> 02:29:12,320
Speaker 16: it'll be a competitive game. I do. But you know, listen,

3084
02:29:12,520 --> 02:29:15,199
Speaker 16: that was in sports. We get it, guys. You're playing

3085
02:29:15,240 --> 02:29:19,039
Speaker 16: off games, You're gonna get those kind of performances. Last night,

3086
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:22,240
Speaker 16: you know, Dallas was hitting their shots. Boston is off.

3087
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:24,959
Speaker 16: Maybe Boston just I don't know. I don't know, but

3088
02:29:25,000 --> 02:29:25,960
Speaker 16: Boston's interesting.

3089
02:29:25,959 --> 02:29:26,240
Speaker 4: Guys.

3090
02:29:26,760 --> 02:29:28,880
Speaker 16: This is what they always have, one of these games

3091
02:29:28,959 --> 02:29:31,960
Speaker 16: where they just they put in a stinker of all stinkers,

3092
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:36,360
Speaker 16: but not college. So you know what you're entitled le

3093
02:29:36,400 --> 02:29:38,640
Speaker 16: performance like this. They had it last night. I'm sure

3094
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:39,240
Speaker 16: they'll still win.

3095
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:44,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. I still think they're gonna still win.

3096
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:47,560
Speaker 4: Any Uh. I know you're at the airport and you're

3097
02:29:47,640 --> 02:29:48,320
Speaker 4: in the middle of it.

3098
02:29:48,840 --> 02:29:54,679
Speaker 3: But any anything with hockey the US Open, Yeah, go ahead.

3099
02:29:54,440 --> 02:29:57,760
Speaker 16: Well hockey hockey. It's interesting, guy. Look, but the series

3100
02:29:57,920 --> 02:29:59,879
Speaker 16: the game for us right around a pick. But I listen,

3101
02:29:59,879 --> 02:30:03,520
Speaker 16: I I think Florida has shown, at least in my opinion,

3102
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:07,840
Speaker 16: they actually are the better team. I think that Florida

3103
02:30:07,959 --> 02:30:12,879
Speaker 16: is just better than Edmonton. I do. They've given them

3104
02:30:12,879 --> 02:30:17,280
Speaker 16: fits offensively, they obviously have a massive edge and goal again,

3105
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:20,880
Speaker 16: is it some crazy great play? No, But I do

3106
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:24,320
Speaker 16: think that Florida does close this out. I think they

3107
02:30:24,360 --> 02:30:28,160
Speaker 16: actually just are just a better, better team. Before the series,

3108
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:30,800
Speaker 16: I thought it was a fifty to fifty series. I

3109
02:30:30,959 --> 02:30:34,480
Speaker 16: was wrong. Clearly, Florida, at least by watching these games,

3110
02:30:34,480 --> 02:30:37,879
Speaker 16: to me, has been the more impressive team, and I

3111
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:39,840
Speaker 16: think they're probably going to close the thing out. Like

3112
02:30:39,959 --> 02:30:42,039
Speaker 16: in game four, I really do.

3113
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:43,800
Speaker 9: Do you see any spots to make money there? Like,

3114
02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:45,680
Speaker 9: is there a proper or anything that you like coming.

3115
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:49,040
Speaker 16: Out of Yeah, I'm not I've not really been a

3116
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:53,920
Speaker 16: huge prop guying hockey, more football, baseball, basketball. But again,

3117
02:30:53,959 --> 02:30:56,680
Speaker 16: as I said, I do think, and the price is

3118
02:30:56,760 --> 02:30:59,119
Speaker 16: right around pick area, I do think that they closed

3119
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:02,560
Speaker 16: out in terms of the US Open. Look, I'm always

3120
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:04,920
Speaker 16: looking in the situation where I can get a price.

3121
02:31:04,959 --> 02:31:07,520
Speaker 16: It's so hard to win these tournaments, so so hard.

3122
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:10,360
Speaker 16: Look you see the lead of works is very bunched up.

3123
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:14,560
Speaker 16: Two guys I would look at getting double digitads's just

3124
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:18,440
Speaker 16: because these guys has had success and they're getting a

3125
02:31:18,480 --> 02:31:21,760
Speaker 16: big price. One Patrick can't lay ten to one, he's

3126
02:31:21,800 --> 02:31:25,400
Speaker 16: one shot back. Again, this guy who's one tournament's never

3127
02:31:25,440 --> 02:31:28,000
Speaker 16: won a major, but he's one tournament getting ten to one,

3128
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:30,840
Speaker 16: one shot back. I see the worst the other guy.

3129
02:31:30,879 --> 02:31:34,880
Speaker 16: And this guy never never wins, but he's always right there.

3130
02:31:34,920 --> 02:31:37,720
Speaker 16: As Tony Fenale is like sixteen to one area, he's

3131
02:31:37,720 --> 02:31:41,480
Speaker 16: two shots back. He's a guy that has big rounds

3132
02:31:41,480 --> 02:31:44,160
Speaker 16: in him. Uh, and there's always been a really really

3133
02:31:44,200 --> 02:31:46,040
Speaker 16: good player, but just he never finds a way new

3134
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:49,080
Speaker 16: wily to close it. But I would need to be

3135
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:53,560
Speaker 16: getting double digitads where they take anyone right now, anyone,

3136
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:57,480
Speaker 16: even though the favorite ney Borg like to bet someone.

3137
02:31:57,640 --> 02:31:59,320
Speaker 16: I would need double the shots because of how hard

3138
02:31:59,320 --> 02:32:01,040
Speaker 16: it is to win this monament and how close the

3139
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:03,200
Speaker 16: leaderboard is. Guys, a lot of guys can win it,

3140
02:32:03,360 --> 02:32:05,000
Speaker 16: but those would be the two guys who I consider

3141
02:32:05,080 --> 02:32:08,680
Speaker 16: it to be top fifteen golfers. For getting double digit odds.

3142
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:09,000
Speaker 16: Why not?

3143
02:32:10,280 --> 02:32:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes that makes perfect sense. Last thing anything

3144
02:32:13,879 --> 02:32:15,119
Speaker 3: in baseball.

3145
02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:16,959
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'll give you a couple of props, Toboy. I

3146
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:19,039
Speaker 16: like first. I like I like the Cubs and the

3147
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:21,720
Speaker 16: five inning line laying a half rung with a manga

3148
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:25,760
Speaker 16: against Polente of the Cardinals. Don't trust the Cubs bullpen.

3149
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:28,600
Speaker 16: Even a little Manja has been like one of the

3150
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:30,760
Speaker 16: best pictures in baseball. You can lay half running about

3151
02:32:30,760 --> 02:32:33,760
Speaker 16: a dour Cony. I feel pretty comfortable that the Cubs

3152
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:36,480
Speaker 16: will score runs, and I feel comfortable that a manga

3153
02:32:36,520 --> 02:32:38,720
Speaker 16: will hold the Cardinals in check. Don't want to deal

3154
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:43,039
Speaker 16: with that very poor Cubs bullten. So I like the Cardinals,

3155
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:45,640
Speaker 16: the Cubs, Chicago Cubs in the five inning line, laying

3156
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:49,080
Speaker 16: a half run guys, Jack Flaherty over fifteen and a

3157
02:32:49,120 --> 02:32:51,280
Speaker 16: half hours, you can get plus one oh five plus

3158
02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:53,920
Speaker 16: one ten on this that I don't get it. He's

3159
02:32:54,160 --> 02:32:55,880
Speaker 16: eleven and two to the over. And by the way,

3160
02:32:55,879 --> 02:32:58,120
Speaker 16: one of the two losses was his last start where

3161
02:32:58,120 --> 02:33:00,480
Speaker 16: he pitched five shutout innings and had to leave with

3162
02:33:00,600 --> 02:33:02,920
Speaker 16: a backflare up. But they took a shot. They said

3163
02:33:02,920 --> 02:33:05,680
Speaker 16: he's one hundredercent fine. I love him over fifteen and

3164
02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:07,440
Speaker 16: a half outs. He's been a horse that's been the

3165
02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:09,960
Speaker 16: jack party of years back. We saw on the Cardinals

3166
02:33:09,959 --> 02:33:12,920
Speaker 16: when he was emerging into what he thought was a frontline.

3167
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:16,280
Speaker 16: You know, stud pitcher love. That's my bet of the day.

3168
02:33:16,320 --> 02:33:19,320
Speaker 16: I love him over fifteen and a half out and getting

3169
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:24,800
Speaker 16: juice again. Amazing bet. And then Andrew Monasterio Milwaukee Brewers

3170
02:33:25,240 --> 02:33:27,760
Speaker 16: usually hits ninth. He thinking one thirty eight for the

3171
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:29,960
Speaker 16: year I've been him not to score a run, laying

3172
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:33,040
Speaker 16: a dollar fifty area again, guy hitting ninth against a

3173
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:36,440
Speaker 16: decent pitcher, nabboit. He only scores a run in about

3174
02:33:37,160 --> 02:33:40,400
Speaker 16: twenty six twenty seven percent of his games. This should

3175
02:33:40,400 --> 02:33:42,320
Speaker 16: be much more than laying a dollar fifte in my opinion,

3176
02:33:42,400 --> 02:33:44,480
Speaker 16: especially at home. Hitting nine and he can get him

3177
02:33:44,480 --> 02:33:46,600
Speaker 16: pinchhit for it. That's the beauty, Baptist bet, that's the

3178
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:48,640
Speaker 16: guy you could easily be pinch it for. May only

3179
02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:51,000
Speaker 16: get two played appearances. Give me him not to score

3180
02:33:51,000 --> 02:33:53,360
Speaker 16: a run rooty against human Achievan Anthony, you know my

3181
02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:54,680
Speaker 16: favorite thing to do in this world.

3182
02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:59,879
Speaker 3: You are doctor Under. That's right, Doctor Under. I love it.

3183
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:06,520
Speaker 4: Say travels, big break, great stuff is always Buddy there.

3184
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:08,879
Speaker 4: He is the big brain. Brad Feinberg with us.

3185
02:34:09,240 --> 02:34:11,280
Speaker 3: We'll take a quick t o we'll come back and

3186
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:12,840
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're gonna wrap it up, but try

3187
02:34:12,879 --> 02:34:16,360
Speaker 3: to sneak in some more Father's Day right here, Fellas

3188
02:34:16,400 --> 02:34:28,440
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio, All right, welcome back Fellas, Jason fitz

3189
02:34:28,520 --> 02:34:32,800
Speaker 3: Kevin Figures, Anthony Gargana hanging out with you guys. I

3190
02:34:32,840 --> 02:34:34,480
Speaker 3: want to thank real quick before we get out of

3191
02:34:34,480 --> 02:34:41,520
Speaker 3: here our fine producers as always, Marty, Mark and Ian

3192
02:34:42,040 --> 02:34:47,000
Speaker 3: and Brianna, who's bres hopping out. So I want to

3193
02:34:47,280 --> 02:34:50,360
Speaker 3: with him a very first of all, thank you and

3194
02:34:50,440 --> 02:34:51,200
Speaker 3: a great job.

3195
02:34:52,120 --> 02:34:54,040
Speaker 4: All right, let me get to a couple of these questions.

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Speaker 3: All right, give me your three best father figures in

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02:35:01,000 --> 02:35:05,760
Speaker 3: the world of sports. So think about the three best

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02:35:05,959 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 3: father figures in the world of sports. Then you go,

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Speaker 3: you know what, they're big, just be great fathers. So

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Speaker 3: let's alternate. I'll start with you fig.

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02:35:19,720 --> 02:35:20,039
Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Well, I know we brought him up already on the show,

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02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:25,200
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna have to say, Archie Manning, I mean,

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02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:28,800
Speaker 5: look at what he's turned out, you know, and probably

3205
02:35:28,920 --> 02:35:32,080
Speaker 5: was a pretty solid decision, uh, basically being the bad

3206
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:34,120
Speaker 5: guy for ELI and forcing him out of the Chargers

3207
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:36,440
Speaker 5: to the New York Giants got him two Super Bowl

3208
02:35:36,520 --> 02:35:38,039
Speaker 5: rings out of it and probably a Hall of Fame

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02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:39,039
Speaker 5: bert at some point.

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Speaker 4: So I am not I would tee you up. Go ahead, FITZI.

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Speaker 9: When I think father figures in sports, I'm not just

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02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:52,720
Speaker 9: thinking about dads. I'm thinking about coaches that seem to

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02:35:52,760 --> 02:35:55,280
Speaker 9: have the pulse of how to be that. And I

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02:35:55,320 --> 02:35:57,680
Speaker 9: will go to pop like Popovich is somebody that it

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02:35:57,720 --> 02:36:02,800
Speaker 9: feels aways form just has that like father figure sort

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02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:03,560
Speaker 9: of element to him.

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Speaker 4: So I'll go with pop That's a good one. Man,

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02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:09,440
Speaker 4: that's a really good one. All right. FIG.

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02:36:10,480 --> 02:36:13,160
Speaker 5: So on that note, I'm gonna go with John Thompson.

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02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:17,520
Speaker 5: Who oh, I mean you talk about rough and tumble

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02:36:17,560 --> 02:36:20,400
Speaker 5: guys that he had at Georgetown, but all those players,

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02:36:20,400 --> 02:36:24,200
Speaker 5: whether it's Ai you, all those guys talked about how

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02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:25,680
Speaker 5: great of a father figure and how great of an

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02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:27,400
Speaker 5: example of a man that he was to them.

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02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:33,599
Speaker 3: Holdo, holdo, John Thompson, I don't think shared the familial

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02:36:33,959 --> 02:36:36,120
Speaker 3: uh fig with Ai.

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02:36:36,959 --> 02:36:38,000
Speaker 4: No, he.

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02:36:39,640 --> 02:36:39,840
Speaker 9: Did.

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02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:44,440
Speaker 4: He was like, dude, you gotta go go pro.

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02:36:47,400 --> 02:36:47,959
Speaker 9: That's funny.

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02:36:49,720 --> 02:36:50,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 9: It's a struggle for me for the next one, because like,

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02:36:53,959 --> 02:36:56,560
Speaker 9: if we're if we're just being very real and transparent here,

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02:36:56,600 --> 02:36:59,200
Speaker 9: part of me, as from the coaching side, part of me,

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02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:01,920
Speaker 9: would love to take, for example, Andy Reid, who I

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02:37:01,959 --> 02:37:05,000
Speaker 9: think with his teammates, seemed with his team, seems to

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02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:07,920
Speaker 9: have such that fatherly role. But obviously he's had so

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02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:10,160
Speaker 9: many issues in his own personal life that it's hard

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02:37:10,160 --> 02:37:12,879
Speaker 9: for me to go there with with Andy, as tragic

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02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:14,640
Speaker 9: as that has all been, So I'll stay in the

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02:37:14,680 --> 02:37:16,600
Speaker 9: coaching realm, but I'll go with somebody a little older,

3242
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:20,360
Speaker 9: Dick Vermeil. When I think like figure out coaches. Vermeil

3243
02:37:20,480 --> 02:37:22,360
Speaker 9: was sort of that guy that just he was the

3244
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:24,440
Speaker 9: hug you, I love you sort of guy. That one

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02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:25,520
Speaker 9: really stands out to me.

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02:37:26,040 --> 02:37:31,280
Speaker 4: You're very high emotional EP high EQ. That's very good.

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02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:35,680
Speaker 3: Ay, I will tell you knowing that situation intimately, you know,

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02:37:35,959 --> 02:37:39,040
Speaker 3: I mean he's a great dad, Like I know, I know,

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Speaker 3: I know how much he integrated and tried to have

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02:37:42,520 --> 02:37:45,240
Speaker 3: and then sometimes you know, as a parent, you know

3251
02:37:45,320 --> 02:37:46,360
Speaker 3: you're just out of control.

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02:37:46,400 --> 02:37:49,000
Speaker 4: You know, we just have no control. It's horrible.

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Speaker 9: And look man, like I've always been very honest, and

3254
02:37:51,320 --> 02:37:53,040
Speaker 9: in this moment, I will remind the world of that.

3255
02:37:53,440 --> 02:37:55,560
Speaker 9: Like my brother did seven years for possession with the

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02:37:55,560 --> 02:37:59,160
Speaker 9: intent to distribute. We're very different people that were raised

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02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:01,680
Speaker 9: by the same two people, right, So, like I've lived

3258
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:04,560
Speaker 9: this in my my life a million ways. Like I

3259
02:38:04,680 --> 02:38:06,800
Speaker 9: was the straight a student that always did everything the

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02:38:06,879 --> 02:38:08,240
Speaker 9: right way, and he was the one that you know,

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02:38:08,320 --> 02:38:10,920
Speaker 9: tried to drop out in seventh grade, right like saint parents.

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Speaker 9: It's just you know, so I say all of That's

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02:38:14,280 --> 02:38:16,640
Speaker 9: why I say there's a just sort of an asterisk

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02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:19,720
Speaker 9: on the right way to handle that. So they're certainly

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02:38:19,720 --> 02:38:22,240
Speaker 9: not throwing stones. Because the glasshouse that I was grew

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Speaker 9: that I grew up in was was I'm very transparent about.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, Uh you want to have another one, fake, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is a personal one.

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Speaker 5: Michael Thompson, former player for the Lakers, a great father

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Speaker 5: to Clay Thompson, who's obviously a great young man with

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Speaker 5: a great player with the Golden State Warriors. Kind of

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02:38:39,400 --> 02:38:41,000
Speaker 5: saw Clay when he was a teenager, when I was

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02:38:41,000 --> 02:38:42,960
Speaker 5: a coworker of Michael's back in the day, and to

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Speaker 5: see him grow up, to see the player and the

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02:38:44,440 --> 02:38:47,000
Speaker 5: person he's become has been really spectacular. And Michael a

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02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:51,039
Speaker 5: great man of faith and of great morals. So I

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02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:53,560
Speaker 5: love to see Michael and all the success he's had

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02:38:53,560 --> 02:38:55,360
Speaker 5: in his sons, Clay and his other sons as well.

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Speaker 6: So I'll go with Michael Thompson, love it.

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Speaker 9: I'll bring the I'll bring the number eight pelt back

3281
02:38:59,720 --> 02:39:02,680
Speaker 9: out because I think we take for granted the fact

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02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:06,720
Speaker 9: that you know, Arch was able to raise Peyton and Eli,

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02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:09,360
Speaker 9: which you got two kids that had the level of

3284
02:39:09,360 --> 02:39:11,280
Speaker 9: success they have, but also that have seemed to be

3285
02:39:11,480 --> 02:39:14,320
Speaker 9: as through that whole process, that seemed to manage to

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02:39:14,360 --> 02:39:16,160
Speaker 9: be themselves through all of it. That's so hard to

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02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:19,040
Speaker 9: do in this limelight. I think Archie Manning deserves a

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02:39:19,040 --> 02:39:20,440
Speaker 9: little credit in that too. Father figure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, without a doubt, great ones are all great ones

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02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:28,480
Speaker 4: I put out there, Charlie Manuel, who was like a

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02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:31,680
Speaker 4: great dad to his to his players, and no one

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02:39:31,720 --> 02:39:36,039
Speaker 4: mentionally he's a great guy anyway, that's good deal for us.

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02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:37,960
Speaker 3: I would have wish all the dads out there a

3294
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:41,560
Speaker 3: happy Father's day, all right, very important in a child.

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02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:43,320
Speaker 4: We love you guys, have a great week. We'll see

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02:39:43,320 --> 02:39:43,840
Speaker 4: you next week.

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Speaker 9: Go get a pedict.