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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Scott Stone Williams and I'm Michael barn. This

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Speaker 1: is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast, where we explored

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Speaker 1: the big money issues in the world of sports today.

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Speaker 1: We begin with a new quarterback in New York as

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning heads to the bench in favor of Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones for the Giants. He will be under center come

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Speaker 1: Sunday when they're on the road against Tampa Bay. Mr Jones,

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Speaker 1: Number eight. Me and m that's right, selling so counting throws? Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank thank you? Right, see that was good. I like Evan,

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Speaker 1: you're used all right. Yeah, So you're gonna see usually

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Speaker 1: see a lot of number ten's hanging around MetLife Stadium

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Speaker 1: on Giants Day. It looks like you're gonna start seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of number eight. Did you guys see, by

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Speaker 1: the way, it's so sad the photo. I think it

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Speaker 1: was actually a week ago before he was named the starter.

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Speaker 1: But all the cameras around Daniel Jones in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the photo of the two of Jones

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Speaker 1: and Manning and you see them getting But I'm saying that,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying you saw that I was looking at the

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Speaker 1: one on the field. No, no, No, this is in

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Speaker 1: the locker room. All the cameras, all the New York

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Speaker 1: medias around Jones and just off to the left because

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks sit together. Eli is sitting down at his

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Speaker 1: locker putting, putting his shoe on, and nobody's I didn't

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Speaker 1: see that. I'm gonna send it you. It is that.

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Speaker 1: You know, the picture is worth a thousand words. That

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Speaker 1: picture is worth all the words right there. Nobody cares

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Speaker 1: about Eli all by himself pulling his you know, his

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Speaker 1: out of the way so they can get to Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: you know. And now I'm gonna put this in a

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Speaker 1: on a human interest point just for a second. And

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Speaker 1: I know we're football fans, and it's like there is

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Speaker 1: time for this to happen, and blah blah. You gotta

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Speaker 1: remember Eli Manning is trying to make a living too.

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Speaker 1: This is a man's living trying to make a living

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Speaker 1: gets paid. I get that, man, he's mine. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say that's not he wanted to make human interest. That

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Speaker 1: was not sell one super Bowl ring and make what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make entire life with David makes his living

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Speaker 1: this is his heart and soul. So now when you've

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Speaker 1: been told, hey, it's been real, that's hard to you

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Speaker 1: don't mind if we just breached right over that. Do

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Speaker 1: you see give me some fanatic. You mentioned that the

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Speaker 1: jerseys they're according to fanatics, I believe it was five

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Speaker 1: times as many Daniel Jones jerseys sold in the twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours after he was announced as the starter that

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Speaker 1: that you know, Giants fans I think understood after this

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Speaker 1: preseason that the Daniel Jones arrow was coming at some point.

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Speaker 1: He's the heir apparent to to to Pa. It was

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Speaker 1: unclear when that would happen. Yeah, and I think I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people, obviously if you look at

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Speaker 1: actually happened. We would you say, I mean, if this

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Speaker 1: Manning like those are the guys. Yeah, In terms of

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Speaker 1: I've always wondered we should ask a team owner this,

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Speaker 1: year or whatever. The Giants should give a Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: jersey to everyone who owns a Manning jersey right the

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Speaker 1: jersey sales. It's a nice ancillaria. It's not that much money.

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Speaker 1: You know, these assets are worth three, four or five

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Speaker 1: It's definitely something they should look at. But again, and

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Speaker 1: and teaser we have uh Demorris Smith, the executive director

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Speaker 1: My guess is that when the next CB, it comes

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Speaker 1: out Riki pay is going to be cut even more. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Up next, we had across the river. We say the river.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Hudson from the meadow Lands to Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: where the Nets have hired former Turner president David Levy

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Speaker 1: to be their new CEO. Very interesting geography there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the local papers, I gotta say we're talking Meadowlands. Who's

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Speaker 1: excited for the new mall. It's about Dream Mall formerly

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Speaker 1: these Mall of America's or West Edmonton Mall. There's going

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Speaker 1: I am more worried now than I have been in

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Speaker 1: and soon because people will not wait around. They will decide, well,

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Speaker 1: I was actually gonna ask you how you view I mean,

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Speaker 1: worlds to conquer, and there's a lot of worlds to

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Speaker 1: Joe Tie, you know, his sports holdings are extensive. He

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Speaker 1: proven track record in developing new properties, in branding. It's

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Speaker 1: you can make a compelling case to head to Brooklyn. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure with Jack Mile look out for those twelve

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Finally, let's talk football. Just leave me

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning, Thank you man. Let's get back to football now.

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Speaker 1: This is big, especially for fantasy football players like me,

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Speaker 1: the rational. So don't set us up. You just take this.

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Speaker 1: all right. The rash of injuries hitting big names in

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Speaker 1: course he has, but he's not on the field. What

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Speaker 1: It's a great Anyway, what I'm getting at is, first

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Speaker 1: of all, uh Ben Roethlisberger out for the season elbow surgery.

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Speaker 1: six weeks because he's having surgery on his attendant in

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Speaker 1: his throwing hand. Of course, we mentioned Darneld we brought

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Speaker 1: who it was. And the NFL problem here is that

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