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Speaker 2: before we get to anything else, John wants to continue.

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Speaker 4: I just want to button it up.

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Speaker 5: Nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 6: No no, no, no, that's y'all wearing ass niggers right now, do.

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Speaker 3: You feel me?

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Speaker 4: No, I want to say y'all saw a cool nigga

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Speaker 4: in the cool shirt. Huh. PJ Tucker.

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Speaker 3: No, it was a short set. Let's not.

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Speaker 7: He's not produced the short shirt, the short coull shirt.

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Speaker 7: He wore the short I told you to change water shirt. Okay,

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Speaker 7: Now it's a cool shirt. You know I need to

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Speaker 7: see the short set, bro, like I told you the

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Speaker 7: short the short ball a.

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Speaker 6: Met ball attending ass dude who treats the fucking tunnel

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Speaker 6: like it's the red carpet. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 6: ward ass shirt, It's a cool shirt, you fly fucker.

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Speaker 2: You said you wanted this on the topic list to

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Speaker 2: close the conversation, not because you felt you had new

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Speaker 2: exhibits introduce in the trial of the nine hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty dollars flame shirt.

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Speaker 6: Come on, now, we gotta talk about that dog. Ain't

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Speaker 6: nobody talking about the price.

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Speaker 3: Fifty American?

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Speaker 4: Not yet.

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Speaker 6: You're not tim to two man Taylor looking motherfucker's in

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Speaker 6: my damn mintion and talking ship talking about Ama silk.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 7: Woo reboot built body niggas talking shit.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you know what I'm saying. No, you know, get

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Speaker 6: these bobbed the building niggas up out of here.

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Speaker 8: Dog.

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Speaker 4: That's a cool shirt on the cool dude.

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Speaker 3: All of a.

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Speaker 7: Sudden, the short short Like I said, you keep skipping

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Speaker 7: over the short set part I I told the hat.

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Speaker 4: I told you you killed the hype.

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Speaker 3: I told you, I told you.

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Speaker 7: I like the short set on PJ Tucker because the

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Speaker 7: short set is a whole different.

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Speaker 6: Thing from that make it looking like it's like it

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Speaker 6: like because a nine hundred and fifty dollars shirt made

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Speaker 6: by a literal artist look like a flea market shirt.

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Speaker 4: Ain't nothing flea market about that shirt.

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Speaker 3: It's a short set. Short sets our flea market in

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Speaker 3: their entire fucking cord. What do you mean this short bro.

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Speaker 6: Were talking about We're talking about PJ Tucker wearing a

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Speaker 6: short set.

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Speaker 3: He ain't.

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Speaker 7: But but that's not Bro, it's not flea market. You

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Speaker 7: stopped you playing yourself with that. PJ from the from

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Speaker 7: south Side RAYJ.

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Speaker 6: PJ also wore bell bottoms at the met ball Bro.

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Speaker 3: He ain't no bell.

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Speaker 4: Bottoms, and that was the South Side. He's also grown mother.

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Speaker 7: I told I told you, I told you I like

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Speaker 7: I like the short set because the short set leans

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Speaker 7: so much into attackiness of it that it becomes fresh.

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Speaker 7: Now when you try to though the fucking pants on it,

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Speaker 7: that's where it falls flat for you.

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Speaker 3: Bro, that's what you.

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Speaker 4: Ain't see it with the pants you just saw. You

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Speaker 4: ain't even see what was the name had on. You

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Speaker 4: just saw the shirt and said it was.

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Speaker 3: Cargo pants like he was.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see what he I didn't see the pants

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Speaker 4: he had on.

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Speaker 6: But but the point is, Bro, you talk like this

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Speaker 6: is this where he got the shirt at?

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Speaker 4: He had to book a time, Bro, like an art gallery.

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Speaker 7: He is literally going to an art Okay, just because

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Speaker 7: I'm saying exclusive, it doesn't mean it's not drawing.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying I'm saying. I'm not saying it's exclusive, Bro.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying the way the it's not a flea market

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Speaker 6: ass shirt.

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Speaker 4: Bro, that's it's.

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Speaker 7: Inspired by flea market ship. It's a short. You can't

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Speaker 7: nerve you can that he.

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Speaker 4: Was a fashion fashion You said I was a fashion jentifier?

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Speaker 3: Was it growing?

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Speaker 7: If you take a short set and then you throw

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Speaker 7: pants on and say that this doesn't make it a

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Speaker 7: short set anymore.

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Speaker 3: That's gentrifying. Dog. Come on, man, I didn't say that.

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Speaker 7: I said we saw we saw white boys in twenty

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Speaker 7: sixteen wearing short sets dog with Sperry topsiders, and that

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Speaker 7: that's flea market too.

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Speaker 4: That ain't flea market, Bro, you talking about some.

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Speaker 7: Chaps fucking short set that short That shit looks like

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Speaker 7: it came out the same plastic bag with the shirt,

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Speaker 7: and show you know what I'm talking about, Bro.

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Speaker 3: Don't do this. Don't do this.

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Speaker 4: That's not that ain't come from glicks, my boy, that ain't.

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Speaker 7: That particular short set did not, but it is inspired

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Speaker 7: by short sens that yeah, like he's you're talking like

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Speaker 7: he's shopping the rainbow. Stop playing dog. This is a

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Speaker 7: dude that wears full link Gucci coat. Let me let me,

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Speaker 7: let me walk into her gas. Let me peel the

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Speaker 7: curtain back a little further. We're texting in the group,

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Speaker 7: chat about topics for the pod. John suggests we talk

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Speaker 7: about this shirt again.

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Speaker 2: I said in all caps, No, we talked about peanut

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Speaker 2: butter and jelly for three weeks.

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Speaker 8: Bro.

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Speaker 4: We've been arguing about squirrels and raft for three years.

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Speaker 4: We can continue with this shirt, which we can get washed.

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Speaker 2: My friend, we get we gotta done in.

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Speaker 4: The groups that we came to a conclusion.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: But now you know what I'm saying. Now, don't steal agitifier.

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Speaker 7: I bust defend myself. Y'all got my Twitter shut down?

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. My nigga built like a

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Speaker 7: bag of beans. You know what I'm saying. You feel me, y'all?

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Speaker 7: Y'all had that, y'all had that mini fridge looking nigga.

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Speaker 7: Come in my shit and talk. Call me yourself out.

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Speaker 7: A nigga that ain't never put a fit.

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Speaker 4: On in his entire life.

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Speaker 7: When I asked him, see how we coming, he didn't come?

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Speaker 7: Didn't he he didn't come. He stayed home. It was

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Speaker 7: a family man like he was supposed to. Nigga, So

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Speaker 7: say the fuck apot my minx's motherfucker.

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Speaker 4: You feel me? The come on now, y'all had him coming.

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Speaker 4: We gotta button it up?

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Speaker 3: You feel me?

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Speaker 4: Come on now?

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Speaker 3: Is it buttoned up? Good? Let's move on. We just disagreed.

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Speaker 6: But I ain't no fashion, I ain't no geek, ain't

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Speaker 6: no gentifier in any way.

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Speaker 4: Shape before keep his keeping the stack.

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Speaker 2: Let's go if your conversation was over to me when

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Speaker 2: you told us that shit cost nine hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 4: Bro, No, it was because we kept talking to Mike,

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Speaker 4: we kept talking.

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Speaker 5: We were in my heart.

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Speaker 7: Okay, but you said you breed with me intellectually, and

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Speaker 7: how you approach the shite.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, but but and actually I do want to bring

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Speaker 2: this up because I turn this out on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: This is not about the shirt.

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Speaker 2: But I believe every person has a form of art

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Speaker 2: that they recognize takes talent. They're not discrediting the people

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Speaker 2: who do it. You recognize it takes talent, You recognize

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Speaker 2: you couldn't do it. You recognize this art. You just can't,

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Speaker 2: in your heart give one half of a single fuck

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 5: And that is fashion for me. I mentioned on Twitter

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Speaker 5: a bunch of people.

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Speaker 2: Hit me up and said it's dance for them, or

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Speaker 2: it's you know, certain types of music, whatever else.

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Speaker 5: It's just so for me.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I see a shirt costs nine hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty dollars, I my brain.

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Speaker 6: You didn't see that it costs that, you feel me

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Speaker 6: until I showed you, and I looked it up and

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Speaker 6: It was funny that it actually came from a dude

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Speaker 6: who's an artist from Galla Department, which is one of

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Speaker 6: the coldest brands right now.

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Speaker 5: And I'm happy for him people to give him nine

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty dollars for the shirt.

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Speaker 3: It won't be boy, you feel me.

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Speaker 6: I'm just the fact the fact that I that I

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Speaker 6: wanted to wear it to the LACMA. You know what

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Speaker 6: I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I saw I saw a lack of quality shirt on

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Speaker 4: Nick Anderson. You know you know you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Or slow mo, you feel me?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like y'all, y'all didn't see that. I'm just saying I was.

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Speaker 7: I was a gentrifying yes, because yes, are you wanted

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Speaker 7: to take You wanted to take a short set and

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Speaker 7: though some pants on and go to the art gallery.

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Speaker 3: That is gentrifying, bro.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying I gave it example of where I

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Speaker 6: will be. I also said I'd be on the hard

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Speaker 6: If I'm foot on the hardwood, I wear. It's a

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Speaker 6: shirt that I would wear. Ever so Walten, it's not

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Speaker 6: a shirt I would work consistent. I was just saying

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Speaker 6: in those moments, it didn't have to be war at

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Speaker 6: the at at the at the LACMA. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 6: that's the places I go, Bro, I don't go other places.

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Speaker 6: I'm not in the club. I'm not doing none of that.

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Speaker 2: Ship the person who really and I said, I wear

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Speaker 4: Which was not me.

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Speaker 2: And it was not Tyler who fucked you up. It

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Speaker 3: Oh no, he's no.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the content. I appreciate the content and I.

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Speaker 5: Don't and you know, but the cut was so good.

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Speaker 3: It brought into your message.

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Speaker 7: It brought a lot, it brought, It brought a lot

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: They might not be red, but they purple, and we

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Speaker 7: I can't believe, I can't. I appreciate you, Jackson, but nah,

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Speaker 7: it was good content. I told you I loved it,

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Speaker 6: But when, but when? But when somebody tried to say

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Speaker 6: I'm simping. First of all, you ain't. You don't even

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Speaker 6: You don't know what the fuck it means? My gee,

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Speaker 4: Then you feel me.

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Speaker 7: I can't believe you. You lured us into a hey,

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Speaker 7: let's just button it up, and you still this was?

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Speaker 7: This is something Rick Flair w no, no, no, if they

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Speaker 3: Just now, what the fuck? Mike like?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm like nigga.

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Speaker 7: We talked about peanut butter and jelly for that long

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Speaker 5: But you groucho, you groucho marched us right.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of purple people, let's talk about urban Meyer's reverse

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Speaker 2: blood vessel ass. Urban Meyer, it's all falling apart, Verico's

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Speaker 5: Urban Meyer is going poorly in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: They got shut out today by the Titans, but earlier

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Speaker 2: this week the report came out that quote. During a

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Speaker 7: Oh god, he would have tried god, Oh god. I

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Speaker 7: even I would have been like, you know my background.

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Speaker 7: You did a background check on me when you hired me? Right, motherfucker?

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Speaker 7: What the fuck is this?

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Speaker 3: Right? Right?

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Speaker 4: You asking me why you hired me?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: That's a question you should ask yourself.

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Speaker 2: My boy, the only bad thing on my resume is

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Speaker 2: youume I made a bad decision.

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Speaker 4: Not you, You the loser. This said, I'm a winner.

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Speaker 4: Y'all are losers. What the hell you picked me because

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Speaker 4: I'm a winner?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You are the smudge on

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Speaker 4: my CV. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I quit.

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Speaker 7: I'm going where the winner said, you feel me? I'm

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Speaker 7: not having this man talk, Let me talk. He ain't

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Speaker 7: never won at this level, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 7: He faking heart a text in heavy situations, Bro, the

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Speaker 7: definition of a loser, you know what I mean? Shoot,

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Speaker 7: Get the fuck out here. That's crazy, crazy Urban Meyer

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Speaker 7: being Urban Mayer, God Lee Urban. How can you walk

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Speaker 2: There's a clip of him shaking hands with Mike Rabel

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Speaker 5: He didn't make any eye contact.

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Speaker 4: He was just like moving on.

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Speaker 2: And then he gets in the press conference, talks about talks,

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Speaker 2: reporter and he said, yep.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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Speaker 7: That motherfucker. Ready to go, dog. I don't know why

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Speaker 7: they're dragging us out. Get him the fuck out of there, man, what.

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Speaker 6: Like, what what are the rules of the contract. He

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Speaker 6: just can't quit because I he's gonna get some money

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Speaker 6: somewhere else. They gonna throw him a bag in college somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I think he's in a spite off with uh Shad Khan,

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Speaker 2: the owner of the Jaguars, where Urban wants out and

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars owner knows he wants out, but he's not gonna.

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Speaker 5: He's not gonna, he's not gonna buy him out.

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Speaker 2: So they're just like they just have a gun to

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Speaker 2: like Russian Roulette, but the opposite direction, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus Christ, that is fright. The image scared me. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this former First Lady the United States America, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: Reagan, break it all the way down, because like, like

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Speaker 6: y'all know, I can't get on Twitter right now, so

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Speaker 6: break it, break it all the way down. I did

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Speaker 6: see it on Google, that's how big it was. Where

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Speaker 6: I was seeing it, like.

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Speaker 2: You're just scrolling Google's right.

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Speaker 4: I was on there like like three wives. I was

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Speaker 4: I saw it.

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Speaker 3: Keep it in a stack, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: But I had a great weekend. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: All right, one of the traditional living type of Twitter accounts,

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Speaker 2: you know, the conservative value, traditional.

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Speaker 4: Living classy verse. I saw that, you know.

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Speaker 2: I posted a tweet that was like, here's a picture

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Speaker 2: of Madonna with her boob out at sixty three. Here's

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Speaker 2: a picture of Nancy Reagan at sixty three, dressed like

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Speaker 4: She had she had to you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Queen Baba Ruski, that's what they say. That's what they

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Speaker 3: Throw Saudi gobble God.

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Speaker 4: You fill me with the side thrown neck, you know.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying. Yeah boy, yeah boy. She hit it

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Speaker 4: Oh wee, she hit it with that.

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Speaker 3: Helped me LRD.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Cloud have Mercy.

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Speaker 3: Nancy Raking.

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Speaker 4: That's the coolest thing I ever found out about a Raking.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: What they said. She was in double B w B

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Speaker 4: on the Yaka Yaka Yaka, yaka.

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Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying, Shawn Master five thousand, whoo boy.

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Speaker 4: They said that dome was that is fire, bro, Good

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Speaker 4: for you, Nancy. That don't keep you young, don't.

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Speaker 5: I believe it was the MGM lot not mg lot.

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Speaker 4: There we go, MGM lot. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: knee pass on deck at all times. Pardon me?

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Speaker 5: Tyler said it. This is why you don't.

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Speaker 2: You have to leave your high horse off the timeline, bro,

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Speaker 2: because all Twitter is is a collection of a billion

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Speaker 2: people who want to knock you off your high horse.

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Speaker 2: And Nancy didn't even do anything. She's she's dead.

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Speaker 4: Probably too.

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Speaker 2: This Traditional Living's Twitter account put her on a high

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Speaker 2: horse fucking got.

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Speaker 4: Her ship knocked out hard of get sniped.

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Speaker 7: And then and this, and then and the dude who

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Speaker 7: posted the excerp from the book Motherfuck had like fifty followers, bro.

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Speaker 7: Like he might have technically pulled off the biggest ratio ever.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you if you baste it on the

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Speaker 7: ripple effect of a wolf one week, like he's heard

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Speaker 7: Twitter upside fucking down. But everybody talking about Nancy Reagan,

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Speaker 7: you know, doing a goddamn you know, yabo yabo yabo.

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Speaker 6: What I love is He basically said, Nah, Nancy Reagan

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Speaker 4: You just born, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean, like dog, You know she

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Speaker 6: she had her fun too, You just don't you know

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Speaker 6: what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Funny.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hey. The funniest shit was when I explained this to Summer.

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Speaker 7: Right, Summer ain't on Twitter, right, you know she's on

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Speaker 7: Instagram and TikTok. God, yes, yeah, she's not a TikToker.

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Speaker 7: I want to make that distinction clear. TikTokers are a

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Speaker 6: So Talk's algorithm is better than any algorithm. And when

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Speaker 6: it comes to content, I'll tell you that. And once

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Speaker 6: you get on your algorithm, that algorithm will find everything

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Speaker 6: that you actually like is fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So go ahead. So you know I was

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Speaker 7: I was like, hey, you heard out how they talking

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Speaker 7: about how Nancy Reagan was a throat goat she was,

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Speaker 7: And she.

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Speaker 3: Was like, throat goat? What is a throat goat? God? Dear, wobble, wobble.

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. And then and then I

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Speaker 7: explained it to her. We were laughing about that ship.

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Speaker 7: You know what a throat goat is exactly.

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Speaker 3: She's like, I'm about to call my homegirl and call.

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Speaker 5: Her a throat oat like Tiger.

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Speaker 3: It's like eleven in the morning, Like, Hey, what up,

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Speaker 3: throat goat? Like what what is that?

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Speaker 7: Twitter is a different world, bro, everyone. Yeah, everyone on

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Speaker 7: Twitter knows what a throat goat is and know one

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Speaker 7: in the real world, did you know?

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Speaker 2: I feel like that describes a lot of the things

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Speaker 2: that we all enjoy about Twitter.

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Speaker 6: It's like, also how horrible Twitter is, bro, Like I

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Speaker 6: told you my weekend was great without.

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Speaker 4: Twitter, you know what I mean. But it's fun.

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Speaker 6: But it's also yeah, like I don't think we need

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Speaker 6: I don't think Summer's life is better because she had

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Speaker 2: And I do want to emphasize because I saw a

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Speaker 2: typical high school ship. People don't like a woman, so

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Speaker 2: they're you know, they're calling her a slut or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I think it's tremendous that the point of this to

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Speaker 2: the person who posted this tweet.

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Speaker 4: Isn't having fun, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing that I took away from it.

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Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, Nancy Reagan is a bad person

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Speaker 2: or some shit like that. Is like, everyone has a

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Speaker 2: public especially back in the eighties and nineties, when we

444
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Speaker 2: weren't inside of the middle of every celebrity's head twenty

445
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 2: four hours a day, you had a public persona, and

446
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 2: you had who you really were in real life, and

447
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 2: who you really were in real life, I'm sure, especially

448
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: in the fucking Republican Party, was always way more fun

449
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 2: than who you were when you fucking put your gondolier

450
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Speaker 2: outfit on to take your family photo at the White House.

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Speaker 6: Nancy Reagan ducked off in a bathroom with Moses right

452
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Speaker 6: now looking down like that's a lie, you know what

453
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Speaker 6: I mean? Send him to the heaven above heavy you

454
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Speaker 6: feel me and good for Nancy, know you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying.

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Speaker 7: She might be able to teach me some on the

457
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Speaker 7: other side, and maybe I was reaching right there.

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Speaker 2: You're reaching for one of you, but probably for her.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about before we get to our

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Speaker 2: interview with Mike Sielski. I know one thing people have

461
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 2: really loved about the show over the years is is

462
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: John putting him onto new music.

463
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Speaker 5: But Tyler, I think put both of us onto.

464
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Speaker 4: Chris KRACKH And we're working on getting him on.

465
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Speaker 5: The show for an interview.

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Speaker 2: But Tyler, uh, you wanna you wanna, you wanna recommend

467
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Speaker 2: Chris Krack to the people?

468
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Speaker 8: Hell?

469
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, go fucking go to his Apple music page.

470
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Speaker 7: He got like twenty fucking albums I'm not even exaggerating

471
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 7: in like the last few years, and they're all fucking amazing.

472
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Speaker 7: I know everyone says, you know, every artist is amazing

473
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 7: that they like, but no, he's so good. His fucking

474
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 7: quality versus quantity ratio is fucking phenomenal.

475
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Speaker 3: He's a fun motherfucker.

476
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Speaker 7: He's hilarious and he's talented too, big fucking Chris Krack

477
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 7: fan bo and I can't wait to have him on

478
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 7: here and chop it.

479
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 4: Up with him.

480
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 6: I can't wait to ask him questions like he say,

481
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 6: you know, talking about like messing with women with the

482
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Speaker 6: missing the side tooth. I'm like, you too young to

483
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 6: know about that? You know what I'm saying, how you

484
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 6: know about that young young buck. You feel what I'm saying,

485
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 6: Like dog, he's hilarious, you know what I'm saying.

486
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 4: What he say, they harmless, They just crack heads. They harmless,

487
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Speaker 4: I promise you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: The ad libs are perfect, bro like for real, like

489
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Speaker 6: I mean, they have the laugh track under some.

490
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Speaker 4: Of his like the skits and stuff. It's brilliantly it's

491
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Speaker 4: brilliantly produced.

492
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

493
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Speaker 6: And also he is rapping you very I mean, there's

494
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Speaker 6: not a single person like him in the game. You

495
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 6: very seldomly see somebody make as much music like this,

496
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Speaker 6: as good as it is and consistently funny. It's one

497
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Speaker 6: of the best listening experiences I like. It's my favorite

498
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Speaker 6: listening experience right now. I've been to listen to him

499
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Speaker 6: for the last three days.

500
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

501
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 6: While I'm laughing one moment and I'm vibing the next,

502
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 6: and then he got crazy one liners. You know what

503
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 6: I'm saying that you just find yourself yelling while riding

504
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 6: in the car, you know what I'm saying, or just

505
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 6: walking down the street not even listening to music. You

506
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, you know where I had her at?

507
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

508
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Speaker 7: I'm just you know, I didn't even know I forgot

509
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Speaker 7: the travel ledge existed.

510
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean.

511
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Speaker 7: He's fired though, bro, you know, going to what you said, like,

512
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 7: he wraps his ass off. He's super fucking creative, super

513
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 7: talented things outside the boxes. Production is crazy and usually,

514
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 7: you know, rappers who are that serious about their craft

515
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 7: usually take themselves very seriously and it's a very serious

516
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 7: listening experience. And it's the complete opposite with fucking Chris Crack.

517
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Speaker 3: Right.

518
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 7: The music is fired, but you're having fun and you're

519
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 7: laughing listening to this shit, So yeah, you're.

520
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Speaker 6: Having a fan It feels like when the fun you

521
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 6: have when you listen to them young rappers. You know

522
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, With a rapper that got real bars,

523
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 6: it's that level of fun with like a mumble rapper,

524
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Speaker 6: it's mumble rapper fun listening to somebody that got straight bars. Bro,

525
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Speaker 6: they can just raps. I've never bro like, I can't

526
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Speaker 6: stop listening to him. I put my little brother on

527
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Speaker 6: him and he he you know, he hit me with

528
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Speaker 6: the full caps response you know what I'm saying, Like, Yo,

529
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: Yo, It's crazy, bro, you know what I mean. I'm

531
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Speaker 7: really excited to just rap with the dude, you know

532
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Speaker 7: what I mean? Just an interesting cat right.

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Speaker 5: Stick around for our interview with Mike Sialski.

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Speaker 2: We're very excited to welcome on our special guests for

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia Inquirer, but right now he is mister Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 2: He is the host and producer of the Imcobe podcast

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Speaker 2: that's coming out from iHeartRadio right now. The first five

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Speaker 2: also has a book called The Rise Kobe Bryant and

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Speaker 2: the Pursuit of Immortality, coming out in January. Mike, this

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Speaker 2: is a real treat man. We're really excited you're jumping

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Speaker 2: on with us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you now, Thank you for having me. It's exciting

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Speaker 8: for me too.

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Speaker 2: So you and I were talking a little bit before

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Speaker 2: we started rolling, and I just want to start here.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Southern California. Kobe Bryant, incredibly complicated,

581
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: beloved athlete here. But since you know the tragic shock

582
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Speaker 2: obviously of him dying, I've never seen anything in my

583
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: lifetime happen with an athlete like this that he's sort

584
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Speaker 2: of been like lionized almost right. There's murals kind of

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00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: all over southern California, and there's just this huge sort

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Speaker 2: of swell of emotion. You are sort of almost cutting

587
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: against that, it feels like, and really trying to paint

588
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: a realistic portrait of a human being, which sometimes that

589
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: gets lost right in the rush to lionize someone, So,

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Speaker 2: what has this process has been like for you, given

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Speaker 2: everything that's happened over the last.

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Speaker 1: Couple ar So, the advantage of the two projects that

593
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: the book in the podcast have been that they've allowed

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Speaker 1: me to deal with the side of Kobe that in

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Speaker 1: an aspect of his life that a lot of people

596
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Speaker 1: in my area, in the Philly Philadelphias and the suburbs

597
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: around the city in our area know pretty well, but

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Speaker 1: that La and the rest of the country and even

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00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: the rest of the world doesn't know as well. So

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00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: my goal with the book and the pod was to

601
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Speaker 1: kind of do Batman Begins for the Black Mamba. I

602
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: wanted to show everybody, like everything you think, everything we

603
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: know about Kobe from the time he joined the.

604
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Speaker 8: Lakers until the day he died.

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Speaker 1: You can kind of see the beginnings of those things,

606
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: those qualities in the first eighteen years of his life.

607
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: And so yeah, there is a bit of like cutting

608
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Speaker 1: against the like you know, you put it, like the

609
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: mythology of him right that everybody loves it now and

610
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of conveniently forgets, you know, the battles with Shack

611
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: and the really controversial, you know, darker stuff that he

612
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: was responsible for.

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Speaker 8: And that he underwent and all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I went out to, like, you know,

615
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: rip Kobe or pain him to be something he wasn't.

616
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think, Mike, you make a good point,

617
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Speaker 1: like I'm trying to tell a true story, and a

618
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: true story is always gray.

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Speaker 8: It's never just black, it's never just white. The loss

620
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 8: of Kobe still doesn't feel real.

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Speaker 6: And we've discussed this on here, but it still feels

622
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 6: weird talking about him as if he's not here anymore,

623
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Speaker 6: and I have moments where I completely forget he's gone.

624
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Speaker 4: Emotionally.

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Speaker 6: How was your experience writing this as you wonder how

626
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 6: that felt?

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00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an interesting process because a lot of

628
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: people who were really tight with him didn't speak to me.

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00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: It was almost as if because his death was so

630
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: fresh that they couldn't they couldn't bring himself to do it.

631
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Speaker 1: They would have been too emotional in talking about it

632
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: on the record for a book or an article or

633
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: anything like that. There were other people who had talked

634
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: about Kobe a lot and were happy to do it again.

635
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 8: And there were other people.

636
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Who rarely had talked about Kobe and who were part

637
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: of his life when he was young and really wanted

638
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: to talk about him because they felt like their place

639
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: in his life where the part of his life that

640
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: they were involved with kind of got short shrifted in

641
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: his story.

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00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 8: Like I'll give an example. Right, he was in at.

643
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: Lower Marion High School and suburban Philly. He was in

644
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: the he was a member of the Black Student Union,

645
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: the student voice at Lower Marion High School. Nobody ever

646
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: mentions this about him, and they were He had a

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00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: core group of friends and people who's close to who

648
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: knew him through that and nobody'd ever talked to them

649
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: before and nobody ever got that side of him when

650
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: he was in high school.

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Speaker 8: Like what was what was.

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Speaker 1: It like for him to try to kind of figure

653
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: out his identity as a black kid in a really

654
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: kind of you know, ritzy suburban area just outside Philly.

655
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: Like that's a really interesting part of his life story

656
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: that not too many people explored. So there were a

657
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: lot of different ways that that emotion kind of bubbled up.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: I talked to one family member of his, cousin, John Cox,

660
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Speaker 1: who was like a little brother to him. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: the people I did talk to, they missed them a

662
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Speaker 1: lot you could feel it in their voices. Some of

663
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: them still talk about them in the present tense to

664
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: your point for sure.

665
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 7: For sure, So you mentioned that, you know, you didn't

666
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 7: want to necessarily do you know a Kobe propaganda piece

667
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 7: you wanted to you know, include the Kobe story warts

668
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 7: and all and all that. But Kobe is a unique

669
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 7: figure in that a lot of like you know, the

670
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 7: war'st the ugly stuff you know with with with Kobe

671
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 7: is it's kind of added to his legend, you know

672
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 7: what I mean, Like like when he drove Shack out

673
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 7: of town, Like like Kobe stands lean on that, like, yeah,

674
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 7: he got Shack out of there and still got two rings,

675
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.

676
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: Like like that's part of building Kobe up as well.

677
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 7: So how did you tell that line where when you

678
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 7: know you had to tell about you know, some of

679
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 7: some of you know, Kobe's shortcomings or times where he

680
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 7: butted head with authority or what have you. And and

681
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 7: still you know, paint it, you know, unbiasedly where you're

682
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 7: not you know, contributing to the mythology more.

683
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just try to tell it as in as detailed,

684
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 1: in as straight a manner as you can, and that

685
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: comes down to like you're reporting and your research, right

686
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: like you those anecdotes are out there and they're all

687
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: part of what makes Kobe Kobe, or what made Kobe Kobe.

688
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: There we are, we're talking about him in the present tense,

689
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: just like we said, and you tell all of it,

690
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: or at least as much of it as you can,

691
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: because you know that all of that went into him

692
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: being the man and the athlete and the figure that

693
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: he was. You can talk to the English teacher who

694
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: he was close to, who was his mentor who saw,

695
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, the storytelling gift within him and.

696
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 8: Really bonded with him.

697
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: You talk to some of the teammates who say, like, hey,

698
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't the greatest guy all the time. You find

699
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: out an anecdote where there's a rebounding drill at practice

700
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: one day and he's never lost the drill in practice

701
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: ever and this guy, his teammate, the second best player

702
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: in the team, is about to get a rebound and

703
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: Kobe shoves him into the wall and cuts the guy's arm.

704
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: He gets stitches on his arm, but Kobe wins the

705
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: drill and raises the ball over his head triumphantly, Like

706
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I won the drill as usual. You know, all of

707
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: that goes into making Kobe Kobe. So if you leave

708
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: any of it at out, or you try to suppress

709
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: any of it or play any of it up too much,

710
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a true story. You're just

711
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: not going to capture everything that went into making him him.

712
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: There was good stuff, there was not so great stuff,

713
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: and it's and you got to just kind of weave

714
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: the whole tapestry.

715
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: So for those who have.

716
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: Not listened to or heard about the podcast yet, it's

717
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: really a fascinating slice.

718
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 5: That you got here where there's these audio tapes from

719
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 5: when he was in high school.

720
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: Correct, yes, you know he Yeah?

721
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: Good, So go ahead, I mean just talk about that

722
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: and about you know how you sort of came across

723
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: this story.

724
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: And I just can't imagine.

725
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: It must be super surreal cutting it together, listening to

726
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: this sixteen seventeen year old kid who we know what

727
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: you know he becomes, but he doesn't really know at

728
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: the time, rightly.

729
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: All right, So in nineteen ninety six, when Kobe ninety

730
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: five ninety six, Kobe's a senior at Lower Marion, He's

731
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: got an assistant coach on the team and a guy

732
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: who had covered him a little bit named Jeremy Tree,

733
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: and he and Jeremy. Jeremy gets the idea of like

734
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: trying to collaborate on a book with Kobe, so he

735
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: starts doing these interviews with him.

736
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 5: While Kobe's who's a senior in high school.

737
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: The summer and the summer of the draft when he

738
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: ends up with the Lakers, and then into his first

739
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: season with the Lakers.

740
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 8: They're doing these interviews all.

741
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: The time, and the book doesn't come off. The project

742
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: falls through, but Jeremy's got these tapes and he's got

743
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: some of them transcribed. So I've known Jeremy a long time.

744
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: He's since become a mover and shaker in Philly hoops.

745
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: He's a hoops promoter, you know, runs a sports broadcasting

746
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: camp for high school kids, all this stuff.

747
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 8: So I've known him a long time. When I started

748
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 8: doing the book.

749
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: I reached out to him and he gave me the

750
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: transcripts that he had done. Right, So I have all

751
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: these pages with that have Kobe's words on them, but

752
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: he can't find the tapes. Three days before Christmas, he's

753
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: cleaning out his garage and he calls me up, and

754
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: he says, Mike, I found the tapes.

755
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 8: The next day, I drive over there.

756
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: He's got these two ziplock bags full of micro cassettes

757
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: of him talking to Kobe. He hasn't listened to them

758
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: in twenty five years. Nobody's heard them, so he.

759
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 8: Gives them to me.

760
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: I've got like two months to listen to him. Weave

761
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: them into the book, and then we turned it into

762
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: this podcast where it's Kobe talking about going to the

763
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: senior prom with Brandy. It's Kobe cursing out Del Harris,

764
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: his first coach with the Lakers, who just.

765
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 8: Did not like and thought was holding him back.

766
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: It's Kobe talking about, you know, maybe he'll go to Duke,

767
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: maybe he'll go to LSU.

768
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 8: Maybe I'll go to college. I don't really know.

769
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: Like it's Kobe about why he loves basketball, and it's

770
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: all him at eighteen, nineteen years old, and it's I mean,

771
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: I got chills listening to it. It was like hearing

772
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: it from beyond the graves. So once I had that

773
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: the idea of like building a story around Kobe and Jeremy,

774
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: because Jeremy was so tight with him at the time,

775
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: seemed like a cool way to do the pots instead

776
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: of just straight up like bio of Kobe. Let's tell

777
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: this story through the lens of his friendship with Jeremy.

778
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 6: You wrote a story for the Philadelphia and inquire about

779
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 6: like Kobe and what he meant to like Lower Marion.

780
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 6: You talked about how he was a part of the

781
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 6: community and he was just as much Lower Marian as

782
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 6: anybody else was. Many speak about Kobe like he was

783
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: an outsider, you know what I mean, and he was like,

784
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 6: you know, wasn't didn't quite understand, you know, the the culture.

785
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: And when moving to Philly.

786
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 6: Where does that narrative come from comparison with the narrative

787
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 6: you were talking with him being connected to community.

788
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 8: Well, a couple couple different ways.

789
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: Number One, he lived in Italy for eight years, right

790
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: because his dad was playing Pro Bowl over there. So

791
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: he would spend most of the year in Italy, then

792
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: come home in the summertime, come back to the Philly

793
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: area in the summertimes, and then go back to Italy.

794
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 8: So that's part of it.

795
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: Another part of it is Philly is just freaking parochial, right,

796
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: So he wasn't born in the city, Yeah, he was

797
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: born just outside the city, So there are people who

798
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: like hold that against him, that you know, you're not

799
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: really from Philly because you weren't born in Philly, you

800
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: were born in Lower.

801
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: I was just I'm from Long Beach I was just

802
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: talking to a friend of mine last night who said,

803
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, I've lived in Long Beach since nineteen eighty three,

804
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: but I lived somewhere else for twenty years before that,

805
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: and people never Yeah.

806
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: That's exactly what we're talking about here. And then the

807
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: other thing was he doesn't come back to the Philly

808
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: area to live for good until he's in eighth grade,

809
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: right December of nineteen ninety one, after living all that

810
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: time in Italy. So he doesn't know the culture right.

811
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what songs are cool, he doesn't know

812
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: what fashion is cool. He doesn't know what TV shows

813
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: to watch. He doesn't know what like Cheers and The

814
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: Cosby Show and you know, in Living Color and all.

815
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: He doesn't have any frame of reference for any of

816
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: that stuff.

817
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 8: He doesn't quite fit in with the black kids.

818
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: Yet.

819
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 8: He doesn't because he didn't grow up the way they did.

820
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: He doesn't quite fit in with the Wasps and the

821
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: Jewish kids who populate Lower marian. So he's got to

822
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: find his way, and basketball is the way he finds

823
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: his way, and the way he does it is by

824
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: kind of just melding into this community. Right, if Kobe

825
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: came along today, he'd be at IMG Academy, or he'd

826
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: be at mon Verde Academy like that, you know, some

827
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: school that produces athletes and basketball players like a factory.

828
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: He stayed and played for his local high school. Like

829
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: that's I kind of like that. That shows loyalty. That

830
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: shows like he understood what it meant to play for

831
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: this community. And no matter what else you say about

832
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: him at any stage his life, I like that aspect though.

833
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: So it is it's kind of this weird juxtaposition of

834
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: insider outsider.

835
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 8: But I think that.

836
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: Helps him like figure out how to move in all

837
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: those worlds as he gets older.

838
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: Did he feel like an insider by a time he

839
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 4: had left?

840
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah, absolutely he knew.

841
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean by the time he's a senior, right, Like

842
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: he is driving his suv to school and getting there

843
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: before everybody else does the principle, the faculty, students, everybody.

844
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: He's parking in a prime parking spot and he is

845
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: getting a janitor to open the school gym for him

846
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: so he can shoot an hour before school every single day.

847
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: And it used to tick people off because he take

848
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: a prime parking spot at the school. And he'd be like,

849
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to be better at basketball

850
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: than the principle is being a principal or at.

851
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 8: Any of you.

852
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: I love it.

853
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, any of you. Other kids are gonna do whatever

854
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 8: jobs you're going to have.

855
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to be better at my job than yours,

856
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: then you are going to be at yours. So I'm

857
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: parking where I want to park, and that's just and

858
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: people came to accept it.

859
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 7: That is Kobe if I ever heard Kobe. Yeah, So

860
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 7: that brings me to this question that I would have

861
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 7: here is you know, when we first got introduced to Kobe,

862
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 7: you know, ninety five ninety six, the kid, you know,

863
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 7: we saw him at the press conference in the suit

864
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 7: and the sunglasses on top of his head like a

865
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 7: seventeen year old emulating like thirty year old Michael Jordan,

866
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 7: right like the kid would look spotlight ready. From the

867
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 7: very moment that Kobe kind of you know, came into

868
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 7: our consciousness from you from your research and you know,

869
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 7: you know, talking with people and stuff. When did Kobe

870
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 7: realize he was Kobe though, Like, did you dig into

871
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 7: that a bit?

872
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, summer in nineteen ninety five, because that's the time

873
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: where he's playing pickup ball and rimmaging with NBA players

874
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: and high level Division one players. John Lucas, who was

875
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: the Sixers coach at the time, his daughter was a

876
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: classmate of Kobe's and he sees Kobe play and he

877
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: wants to take Kobe with the number one pick in

878
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: ninety six. He thinks he's that good right away, so

879
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: he invites him to Saint Joseph's University and to Episcopal Academy,

880
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: this high school near Philly, to play pickup ball against

881
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Stackhouse and Sean Bradley and Rick Mahorn. And Kobe

882
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: is going toe to toe with these guys.

883
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 8: He is.

884
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: If he's not the best player on the court all

885
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: the time, he's good enough that he realizes, I don't

886
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: need to go to college, Like this is all the

887
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: reaffirmation I need. I'm the best high school player in

888
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: the country, and I'm jumping straight to the NBA. I

889
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: can make this happen. And once he goes through that,

890
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: he knows what's ahead for him. Like the lower Merion

891
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: basketball team takes a trip to South Carolina and he's

892
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: getting autograph requests at the Yin Yang and Jeremy Treatment's

893
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: got him on tape saying, you know, hey, this is

894
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna have to deal with. People expect autogram

895
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: for me. That's that's what I'm gonna have to do.

896
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I just get I guess I just have to.

897
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 8: Get used to it.

898
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: Like by the time he's early into his senior year,

899
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: he knows exactly what is ahead for him, and he's

900
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: preparing himself for that.

901
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 6: Quick question, quick question, you talk about him cooking, you

902
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 6: know what I mean. I read about him cooking. Can

903
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 6: you name some names you mentioned? Jerry Stackhouse? I mean,

904
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 6: I know you said he was at least as good

905
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 6: was he cooking Jerry as a junior?

906
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

907
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, sometimes he did. Sometimes he did.

908
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: But the mythology of that summer has grown to where

909
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: like Kobe dominated Jerry Stackhouse every time they played.

910
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 8: OK and that did not happen.

911
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: But keep in mind, like Jerry Stackhouse was the number

912
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: three pick in the draft. He was supposed to be

913
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: the savior for the Sixers, before they took Allen iverson

914
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: the next year.

915
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 8: So like the idea that.

916
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: Like this seventeen year old kid who's got one more

917
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: year of high school is going toe to toe with him.

918
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: Oh bully too.

919
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: Jerry's ones, you know what I.

920
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: Mean exactly, you know, And he's played against Kerry Kittles

921
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: and he's dunking on Sean Bradley, and he's going around

922
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: the bad boy Rick mchorn for reverse layups.

923
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 8: Like he's a seventeen year old kid. So he's going

924
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 8: to be greater on a curve in those moments, Okay,

925
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

926
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Plus, he's working harder at those workouts than all the

927
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: NBA players are. He's got his own strength coach who's

928
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: with him there, running him and having them with weights,

929
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: and he's getting there early and staying late from all

930
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: these workouts because there was no summer league at the time.

931
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: It was all this pickup stuff on the Phillies circuit.

932
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: So everybody who was there that summer remembers how hard

933
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: he worked and remembers seeing him holding his own or

934
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: being better than these guys. He didn't have to be

935
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: better than Stackhouse all the time, but enough to show

936
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: that like.

937
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 8: Holy crap, this kid is going to be really good.

938
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

939
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: You know what I wanted to ask about was, you know,

940
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: you're a sports writer.

941
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: I'm a sports writer.

942
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: You know if you have a kid playing at Lower Marion,

943
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: who's of Kobe's status? Now, He's got fifteen million followers

944
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: on Instagram, he goes live on I anytime he wants

945
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: to have a press conference, that's more viewed than whatever

946
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: ESPN is airing at that moment. He's probably been a

947
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: known quantity since he was in sixth to eighth grade

948
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: at the latest. Kobe was really one of the very

949
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: last basketball superstars who did.

950
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 5: Grow up in private to an extent, And.

951
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: You've got these artifacts of these interviews with him at

952
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: that time, right and as he was sort of being

953
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: birthed into the public consciousness. But he was always so

954
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 2: careful about his presentation in the media.

955
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: Right.

956
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: I always felt like watching Kobe, if he wanted to

957
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: remind people that his finger was hurting, he was doing

958
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: something to make sure in the middle of a game

959
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: that he's showing, you know, he knows the camera's over here, this.

960
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: One's on me right now.

961
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you got a sense of him

962
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: truly before that persona before that awareness was up. Did

963
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: it feel like listening to a sixteen year old kid,

964
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: or did it feel like someone who had kind of

965
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: already put up a wall as far as this is

966
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: how I'm gonna.

967
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Put now, there was a wall there. What's funny about

968
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: to look back at that time. What's funny funniest about

969
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: it most to me is that if you were in

970
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: his inner circle, if you were in his family, if

971
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: you were Jeremy Treatman, you knew.

972
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 8: He was going to the NBA.

973
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: You knew it from the beginning of his senior year on.

974
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Nobody said anything. And all the coverage of that year,

975
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: if you read you know, my paper, the Philadelphie Inquired

976
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: of Philadelphi Daily News, the national autlets, the national places

977
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: that did interviews with him, there's it's nothing but mystery,

978
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: like what is he going to do? What's going to

979
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: happen here? He didn't tell anybody. Nobody told anybody. They

980
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: were so far off.

981
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 8: Like I was an.

982
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: Undergrad at LaSalle University at the time. Joe Bryant was

983
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: the assistant coach at our basketball team. We were operating

984
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: under the delusion that Kobe might actually come play at

985
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Lasale because his dad was there.

986
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 8: Now, he considered it.

987
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: He thought about it when he was a sophomore in

988
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: a junior because he loved his dad. He would want

989
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, maybe I want to go play for him.

990
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: That went out the window that summer of ninety five.

991
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: Like once he's dunking on Stackhouse and my Horne, it's like,

992
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: the hell with Lasal, I'm not going there.

993
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 8: I don't need to go there.

994
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: Good decision, Yeah, good decision.

995
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 8: Yeah hard and all my fellow Lasal.

996
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 4: I'm not but yeah, a good decision.

997
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 8: But you know, nobody knew that.

998
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: So you know, you see stories written all the time

999
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: about how Lasal's in the mix and and Lasal wasn't

1000
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: in the mix at that point, so there was that

1001
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: there was this sense of like like watch the video

1002
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: of him making the announcement that he's going to take

1003
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: his talent to the NBA.

1004
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 8: He says, and I'm going.

1005
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: To and he pauses and he like puts his hand

1006
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: on his chin and he's clearly playing the cameras clearly

1007
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: like it is so cool, kind of like he's so

1008
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: self assured, and he gets killed for that in the

1009
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: moment because media guys like me are mostly older and

1010
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: white and traditional, and they don't really process what they're

1011
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: seeing here like that this is a kid who knows

1012
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: he's in control of his future and he's gonna chart

1013
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: this course fro himself, and he doesn't like need to

1014
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: count out anybody, you know, and he's that comfortable and

1015
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: self assured.

1016
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 8: That he can just be like, well, what am I

1017
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 8: gonna do?

1018
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Oh just kidding, I'm gonna take my talent to the NBA,

1019
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, And he's just so confident in that moment.

1020
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 8: It's really revealed.

1021
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 6: You talk about Kobe realizing who he is and like,

1022
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 6: was it ninety five ninety six? Yeah, I mean it

1023
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 6: seemed like in the nineties, like young talent was said

1024
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 6: to be the next Jordan, Like every every popular player.

1025
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 4: Was going to be the next Jordan.

1026
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1027
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 6: The only players where it really seemed believable were to me,

1028
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 6: Kobe and Broun, where like it seemed like the commentators

1029
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 6: actually believed what they were saying, Like did Pete, Like

1030
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 6: you talk about the community, the people in the community

1031
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 6: know he was gonna be as good as he was,

1032
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 6: are they shocked like by how successful he ended up being.

1033
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: His high school coach Greg Downer, the guy who's still

1034
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: the head coach at Lower mary and says to somebody

1035
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Kobe's sophomore year, he turns to him in practice and says,

1036
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: does anybody realize we have the next Michael.

1037
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 8: Jordan in our gym? Right now?

1038
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: He knows that, but not too many other people do

1039
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: in fact.

1040
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 7: Period exactly, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, Like

1041
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 7: right in the middle of MJ's three four.

1042
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 8: We've got the next one. We've got the next one

1043
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 8: in our gym, and nobody knows.

1044
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's understandable that they don't know it because

1045
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Lower Marion went four and twenty Kobe's freshman year, Like

1046
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: it should be impossible to do that, to lose twenty

1047
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: of twenty four games with Kobe Bryant on your but

1048
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: they did so, So there's that. But like there's another

1049
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: teammate of his kid, kid who was the point guard,

1050
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: senior point guard when Kobe's a junior. He goes off

1051
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: to college and comes back the next year and he's

1052
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: got and he visits practice and he sees Kobe and

1053
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: he's He asked, Kobe, so, you know, where are you

1054
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: going to school next year? Thinking that like, Kobe's gonna

1055
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: go to college, go play at Duke or wherever he's

1056
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna play, spend two years end of a nice career

1057
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: as like a sixth man.

1058
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 8: In the NBA.

1059
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: And Kobe tells him, no, Evan, I'm going to the

1060
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: league next year. And and Evan's like no, seriously, like.

1061
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 8: Duke, like North Carolina, like where are you going?

1062
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: And Kobe's like, no, I'm going to the league. And

1063
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: this kid, Evan Monsky, he was a really smart kid

1064
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: close to Kobe, couldn't process it.

1065
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 8: Like he just could not right, you know what I mean,

1066
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 8: Like and most people.

1067
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Were that way, Like most people knew he was great,

1068
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: they did not know he was going to be, you know,

1069
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: the next Jordan, one of the ten best players of

1070
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: all time. Nobody could see it because because in part,

1071
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: nobody could fathom that kid coming out of Lower Mary

1072
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: in high school. It had no it had no real

1073
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: basketball tradition to speak up before he got there.

1074
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 7: One of one of the things that that saddens me,

1075
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 7: and I'm sure a lot of basketball fans about Kobe's passing,

1076
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 7: is that, you know, especially for people Ari you saw,

1077
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 7: you know, the entire trajectory of Kobe, you know what

1078
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 7: I mean, Like we saw him go from the you know,

1079
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 7: aloof somewhat awkward, the standoffish kid who who who you know,

1080
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 7: kept people at arms length too. You know when he passed,

1081
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 7: he was the you know, the mentor who embraced the

1082
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 7: young talent.

1083
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: You know, he he was.

1084
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 7: He was a guy who you know, you know, was

1085
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 7: was was always in you know, you know, we saw

1086
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 7: so many players talk about you know, when I worked

1087
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 7: out with Kobe, you know this summer or you know,

1088
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 7: Kobe and I used to text all the time, and

1089
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 7: it was that was something that was was just so

1090
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 7: tragic because you know, we saw Kobe you know, like

1091
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 7: I say, just develop into like this this mentor you

1092
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 7: know what I mean.

1093
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, so.

1094
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I think you I think your

1095
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: point is is right on. Like there was this feeling

1096
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: that there was more for him to be sure that

1097
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: he was still growing and developing. Yeah yeah, as a man,

1098
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: as a father, as a husband, like and I make

1099
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: this point in the book, like he traveled the perfect

1100
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of like arc for our society, right, Like he

1101
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: had been down by his own doing and he had

1102
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: come out of that and that kind of is what

1103
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 1: separated him from Jordan, Right, It's not that Jordan wasn't

1104
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: a better player. He was a better player, but Kobe

1105
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: traveled a different narrative arc than Jordan did. Michael never

1106
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 1: had to rehabilitate himself to the degree that Kobe did.

1107
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: And Kobe was still going on that journey. He was

1108
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: mentoring people, he was being a girl dad. He was,

1109
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, bringing along women's basketball and being a mentor

1110
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: at all these women's basketball players and all of that,

1111
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: and you know, wins an Academy Award and all of

1112
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: this stuff that he was branching out into, and everybody

1113
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: was kind of like, what else are we going to

1114
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: see from this guy?

1115
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 8: And it wasn't just that what he was doing now

1116
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 8: was great.

1117
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: It was that he had been this other guy and

1118
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: he had changed over time, and our perception of him

1119
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 1: had changed over time. And I think that's what makes

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00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: his story so fascinating so many people.

1121
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: Well, obviously everyone please make sure you check the podcast out,

1122
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to the book very much. But

1123
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 2: I think the number one thing, you know, people listening

1124
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: to the interview want to hear is just is there

1125
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: another story or two or something from the podcast, you

1126
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: know that that will really peak people's interests. Like the

1127
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: stuff you've mentioned already is incredible, But what's another hidden

1128
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: jam or two that you know people should go and

1129
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: uh and and look for in.

1130
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: Those well, I mean, we've got audio of Kobe talking

1131
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: about his senior prom with Brandy, you know, which is

1132
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: the equivalent was the equivalent in nineteen ninety six of

1133
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: like taking teenage Beyonce to your prom?

1134
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean back then, right?

1135
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, people forget that.

1136
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: He really was he.

1137
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: Thought he was the Brandy.

1138
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: Yet that problem that Brandy got to take him, you

1139
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: know what?

1140
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: And what's funny, that whole thing was a setup, right,

1141
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: like like she was dating juan Ye Morris from From

1142
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: Boys to Men at the time.

1143
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 8: It was all kind of a publicity stunt to a

1144
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 8: great degree. So there's that. The one anecdote that is

1145
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 8: in the book that.

1146
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: I really like, it's my personal favorite, is after Kobe

1147
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: ends up with the Lakers, he's talking to his agent

1148
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: at the time, Arn tell him and tell him grew

1149
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: up in Philadelphia and in Lower Marion, so he knows

1150
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: all the Philly basketball history and he's asking Kobe about

1151
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: like players he's going to encounter in the NBA, Like

1152
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: what would you do against this guy? What are you

1153
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: going to do against that guy? And he asked him

1154
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: about John Stockton. Now this is nineteen ninety six. John

1155
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: Stockton is you know, about to lead the jazz with

1156
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: Karl Malone in two finals. He's the best point He's

1157
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: Dream Team member, ten time All Star, all this stuff.

1158
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: Kobe's like, I played against guys like him in the

1159
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: Philly Catholic League all the time. I know what he's

1160
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: all about. Like he took one of the three best

1161
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: point guards of all time and reduced him to a

1162
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: cultural stereoty like that, and tell him is like Kobe,

1163
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: it's John Stockton, Like this isn't some kid from mon

1164
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: Signior Bonn or high school, you know. And Kobe's like, yeah,

1165
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: I know, I know I played against guys.

1166
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 8: Like him, So again that kind of tells everything you

1167
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 8: need to know about it.

1168
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: One of one man.

1169
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 5: That's right, That's great, Okay, Well, like I said, I

1170
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 5: am Kobe.

1171
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: The first five episodes are out now from iHeartRadio, and

1172
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: the book The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit of

1173
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: Immortality is coming out in January.

1174
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 4: Mike Hey, send us a couple of copies of the book.

1175
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 5: Man, We'll have you back on to talk about that.

1176
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 8: I would love it. Guys, thank you so much. This

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00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 8: is great.

1178
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks for coming on. We appreciate it all right,

1179
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: our thanks to Mike for hopping on with us for

1180
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: a truly unforgettable interview.

1181
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 3: I felt.

1182
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 5: I just felt like, what an unbelievable position for that.

1183
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: Dude to be in to have anything at this point

1184
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: of someone as big as Kobe that had not already

1185
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: been consumed.

1186
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 5: That's why I was asking him about it.

1187
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Was like, I must have felt like sitting on a

1188
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: national classified secret or something.

1189
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 6: The tapes alone was like, oh, you know what I'm saying,

1190
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 6: like discovering things like that. But yeah, it's it's hard

1191
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 6: to have conversations about people this popular that are interesting

1192
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 6: because you know, everything's been talked about already.

1193
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, good talk, good interview, good interview.

1194
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: That toorrow and all right, that's all the time we

1195
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: got for Jenkins and Jones today. We'll be back in

1196
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 2: the middle of the week for another episode of Nonsense

1197
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 2: and Devil Ree and we'll catch all that the Devil.

1198
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: Bye.