Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Calls with Dean Blandino, a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Hey What's up? Welcome to Good Calls.
Speaker 1: I'm Dean Blandino. As always, I got my producer, Travis Hansen. Travis,
Speaker 1: what's up going on? Not making it weird? Man cake weird?
Speaker 1: That was definitely weird. Okay, So Travis, I want Travis.
Speaker 1: I want the Travis that I had in the studio.
Speaker 1: I want the Travis before we started recording. I want
Speaker 1: irreverent Travis. Okay. I don't want s w G. Standard
Speaker 1: white guy Travis. I want the Travis fans want the
Speaker 1: fans want me to do. You're assuming we have fans.
Speaker 1: I want the the edgy Travis. I want the guy
Speaker 1: that explained to us what a lawnmower pulling a lawnmower
Speaker 1: on someone? If you're gonna if you're gonna use that,
Speaker 1: you gotta use the proper when it's starting up the lawnmower,
Speaker 1: starting up the lawnmower. So, Travis, can you I know
Speaker 1: it's hard because this isn't a visual medium, but can
Speaker 1: you explain what's starting up the lawnmower is on something?
Speaker 1: Let everything out of these arms about to get wild. Well.
Speaker 1: For example, if you were to get into like some
Speaker 1: kind of fight, you it's it's it's a move where
Speaker 1: if you get a you know, a guy on the
Speaker 1: ground and you're holding them down with one arm, and
Speaker 1: then you're, you know, acting like you're pumping them, you're
Speaker 1: pummeling with fists over and over, and that's therefore starting
Speaker 1: up the lawnmower on the get fired up. So that's
Speaker 1: a wyoming thing, Wyoming Canada. I got friends, you know,
Speaker 1: all over and then so don't the next time if
Speaker 1: you you see somebody that's given you our time back, yo,
Speaker 1: don't don't make me start up the lawnmower on you.
Speaker 1: I hope to God that Rogan says that on the
Speaker 1: next year, you start a law UPower. He's, yeah, forget,
Speaker 1: it's no longer ground and pound, it's the lawnmower. He's
Speaker 1: this is the Yeah. Is it like a John Deer
Speaker 1: or what what kind is? It could be anything. It
Speaker 1: could be anything. Yeah, like John Deer is a good
Speaker 1: that's a good brand. They start on the first one,
Speaker 1: so it's not really it's gotta be yeah, like the
Speaker 1: ones my dad would like repair a let's get let's
Speaker 1: get into the show. Let's get into the show. Let's
Speaker 1: get into uh. New England Buffalo Saturday games. So we
Speaker 1: had games on Saturday, NFL Network in conjunction with Fox
Speaker 1: as part of the Thursday night package and uh and
Speaker 1: so Fox produces the game's NFL Network talent except for
Speaker 1: the last game, where our crew are Pete Matcheska crew
Speaker 1: with Kevin burkhard and and Charles Davis was on the game.
Speaker 1: But New England Buffalo. There were actually three great games
Speaker 1: on Saturday, really really good games and meaningful games. New
Speaker 1: England UM Houston. Houston clinched the a f C South,
Speaker 1: The Patriots clinched the a f C East for the
Speaker 1: seventy three year in a row, eleven years in a row.
Speaker 1: And the last game the Niners one and they're in
Speaker 1: the running. Pretty big, big win for them, beating the
Speaker 1: Rams down to the wire for the number one seed,
Speaker 1: you know, the NFC West and the number one seed
Speaker 1: in the NFC playoffs. But it was the Patriots Bills
Speaker 1: game that I want to talk about. And there were
Speaker 1: a couple of plays just officiating, and I we haven't
Speaker 1: had many Patriots fans Patriots games on Fox, so I
Speaker 1: don't get a lot of Patriot hate on Twitter. But
Speaker 1: since we had the Patriot game and I had to
Speaker 1: go on the air a couple of times, I got
Speaker 1: some Patriot hate and Patriots fans. I'm sorry, but for
Speaker 1: a for a fan base that has had the type
Speaker 1: of success that this team has had, they are they
Speaker 1: are very like not no, it was not not nice,
Speaker 1: Like why is it? The woe is meal the time
Speaker 1: with Patriots and you've you've won so much. There were
Speaker 1: kids in Boston that are that are growing up with
Speaker 1: Red Sox winning multiple World Series, Patriots winning multiple Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: that even the the the Celtics one and what two
Speaker 1: thousand ten? What was that? So Bruins one? And it's
Speaker 1: too much to keep tracking. They've won a ton of championships.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so I got a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of Patriots fans about the The officiating was one plame
Speaker 1: in particular was Julian Edelman, and we were talking about
Speaker 1: in the studio. He was flagged for offensive past appearance
Speaker 1: on what the gated a touchdown and it was It's
Speaker 1: an interesting play because Edelman. Edelman is the number two
Speaker 1: receiver on on the left side of the formation. They
Speaker 1: bring a man in motion. They bring a receiver in
Speaker 1: motion and that receiver defender goes with him. And typically
Speaker 1: when teams put a receiver in motion, they're trying to
Speaker 1: see if if the defense is in man coverage or
Speaker 1: his own coverage. So if a defender goes with that receiver,
Speaker 1: then then that's one indication that they're in man or
Speaker 1: at least that receiver is gonna be is gonna be
Speaker 1: one on one. And the defender came over. Edelman just
Speaker 1: you know, runs kind of a little slant pattern, but
Speaker 1: takes a direct route right at the dB um lowers
Speaker 1: his head in a blocking posture. Now there was a collision.
Speaker 1: He stayed on the ground. They threw the flag. It
Speaker 1: was beyond the yard. It freed up that receiver. I
Speaker 1: can't think of the receiver caught the past, but he
Speaker 1: basically came out in a little a little swing pass
Speaker 1: and and ran for touchdown and they flagged for offensive
Speaker 1: pass NS and I thought it was the correct call.
Speaker 1: And what the officials look for in that instance is
Speaker 1: they look for the body posture of the receiver. Is
Speaker 1: the receiver attempting to run a route? Is he trying
Speaker 1: to get open? Because again this is not to not
Speaker 1: to oversimplify things, but receivers are not going to necessarily
Speaker 1: seek out defenders for contact. When they're running routes. They
Speaker 1: want to get away from the defender, right, So when
Speaker 1: they're seeking out that contact, a lot of times that's
Speaker 1: a rub route, that's a pick route. Um, they're trying
Speaker 1: to gain an advantage if they're gonna push off a
Speaker 1: little bit, so they play into the defender. So their
Speaker 1: official is going to look for the is the receiver
Speaker 1: running a route, is he trying to evade that defender
Speaker 1: or is he or is he seeking out that defender
Speaker 1: at a blocking posture? And Edelman did make contact in
Speaker 1: a blocking posture. Another question was is he running the route?
Speaker 1: Can he protect himself from the defender if the defenders
Speaker 1: initiating contact, And yes, he can protect himself from impending
Speaker 1: contact by the defender. But in my opinion and the official,
Speaker 1: the calling official that it was Edlman that seeked out
Speaker 1: the contact. He initiated it, and uh, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was the correct call. It was interesting how he
Speaker 1: and we were telling a little He went to the ground,
Speaker 1: There wasn't there was a collision, no question. He went
Speaker 1: to the ground and stayed on the ground almost as
Speaker 1: if he was injured, and then he popped up like
Speaker 1: nothing happened. And it almost like a a cynic would say,
Speaker 1: this is like next level stuff, because coaches they teach
Speaker 1: these plays, they teach these routes, they teach pick routes,
Speaker 1: they call them rubb routes. But it was almost as
Speaker 1: if you know, run, try to create that contact, go
Speaker 1: down like you're hurt, and that may influence the official
Speaker 1: that you it was a collision more than you just
Speaker 1: initiating the contact. Now again not saying that's what happened,
Speaker 1: but certainly you could. It's not that far out of
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility to to take it to the
Speaker 1: next level. But it kind of backfires because Edelman went down,
Speaker 1: he stayed on the ground a little bit, came back up,
Speaker 1: and and he actually had to go in and they
Speaker 1: looked at him for potential head injury. And that could
Speaker 1: have come from the a t C spotter, which is
Speaker 1: the the independent spot or upstairs that if they see
Speaker 1: a player who exhibits any indication of a potential head injury,
Speaker 1: if they stay on the ground for an extended period,
Speaker 1: if they look off balanced or disoriented, then they're gonna
Speaker 1: call down and have that that player looked and he
Speaker 1: did have to go into the tent and get looked at.
Speaker 1: He did come back in the game. He was not
Speaker 1: he was not diagnosed with any kind of a head injury.
Speaker 1: And they do do that that there's a protocol that
Speaker 1: takes place in that tent. If he doesn't pass that protocol,
Speaker 1: they take him to the locker room for more and
Speaker 1: more comprehensive protocol. So what do you think that conversation was, Like,
Speaker 1: He's like, I was faking it, guys, I was faking
Speaker 1: Come on with Tommy, Tommy, come on, hey, Tommy. We
Speaker 1: were we were having a little fun with the Patriots
Speaker 1: fans when because Brady Brady threw Brady went out on
Speaker 1: like a reverse and threw a great blockdown field and
Speaker 1: they showed it in the stadium and we were just
Speaker 1: like imagining what the Patriots fans like, Oh, Mike, did
Speaker 1: you see Tommy, Tommy to gig get me another Sam
Speaker 1: Adams pocked the car. It was so it was funny
Speaker 1: though fans. And then he went on Instagram and posted
Speaker 1: how amazing he is that he laid one block. Did
Speaker 1: he did he do something mother efforts face offense defense specialty.
Speaker 1: But he's he's that's a tongue in cheek because I
Speaker 1: think Tom Tom does have a sense of humor, and
Speaker 1: I think he's got kind of a funny his his
Speaker 1: his Instagram page is actually pretty funny. And uh and yeah,
Speaker 1: but I could see him. I could see him. Uh,
Speaker 1: he could see him doing that. But again, got a
Speaker 1: lot of hate from Patriots fans, so joined the join
Speaker 1: the club m Dallas Lions, I mean Eagles now it's Patriots.
Speaker 1: Didn't someone call you out until you should be fired
Speaker 1: from the NFL? Um? I think it was Saturday they did. Uh.
Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted out that the NFL needs to get their
Speaker 1: house in order and fire at Team Blandino and hire
Speaker 1: some competent people. So just three seasons I have My
Speaker 1: last season was two thousand sixteen. Um, And and I
Speaker 1: don't think the league would allow me to be out
Speaker 1: of officiating and also comment on calls on Fox. Do
Speaker 1: some fact check before you send a tweet, like I
Speaker 1: just that should be a rule about tweeting. People are funny,
Speaker 1: like the d m s are insane, like it's it's
Speaker 1: literally it's insane, and and It's so hard because I
Speaker 1: don't want to give the trolls the time of day,
Speaker 1: but some people are so good at trolling that I
Speaker 1: want to. I just like like anyway. So there was
Speaker 1: another play at the end of the half that had
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about a rule, and it
Speaker 1: was the Bills had the ball they throw deep past
Speaker 1: near the goal line, ruled a touchdown. There's eight seconds
Speaker 1: on the clock. The clock stops at the end of
Speaker 1: the almost near the end of the second quarter. Of
Speaker 1: the clock stops. Eight seconds on the clock, ruled a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Replay stops the game, and the receiver was he was
Speaker 1: down short of the goal line, so they reverse it
Speaker 1: to short of the goal line. They reset clock to
Speaker 1: where it was when he was down, which was at
Speaker 1: ten seconds. And then by rule, there's a ten second
Speaker 1: runoff and either team can take a time out to
Speaker 1: save the ten seconds. And a lot of people up
Speaker 1: in arms about this rule and they were tweeting at me, like,
Speaker 1: why is the team penalized because the officials made a mistake.
Speaker 1: Now I want you, Travis Joe. I want you as
Speaker 1: a as a fan who hasn't spent twenty years in officiating,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I feel like things that people should understand.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a good judge of it because
Speaker 1: that's that's my life, right, that's my career. And and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't understand. I wouldn't go into somebody
Speaker 1: else's profession and pretend to understand something. Um, you know
Speaker 1: in depth that what they do. So as a as
Speaker 1: somebody that didn't have that experience, can you explain why
Speaker 1: that rule is in place? You don't want to give
Speaker 1: extra time out like that. That's that's kind of how
Speaker 1: I understand it, right, Um, you don't want to give
Speaker 1: You don't want to give a team an extra time
Speaker 1: out and in order to get different players on the
Speaker 1: field for the defense or offense. And and I think, alright,
Speaker 1: I guess kind I guess I have to use my
Speaker 1: twenty years experience. I answer properly, Travis, you kind of
Speaker 1: fumbled through fumbled through that, and what do you awful?
Speaker 1: It was awful. That's why you're That's why you're the
Speaker 1: guy here. See Joe, at least can you text your
Speaker 1: tesla and maybe the tesla would mean the tesla would know,
Speaker 1: would right, but it has more experience than you. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: it does. Test Bryan, Right, that's the name of your tesla.
Speaker 1: It right, I got it. I got it? Um So okay.
Speaker 1: So the bottom line is and let's walk through it.
Speaker 1: I'll walk through it with you, guys. If the ruling
Speaker 1: on the field, the ruling on the field was a touchdown,
Speaker 1: so what does that ruling do to the game cloth stop?
Speaker 1: Clock stops. If the ruling on the field was down
Speaker 1: short of the goal line, what would the game clock do?
Speaker 1: It would still be running, it would still be going right.
Speaker 1: So if they ruled touchdown and then they reverse to short,
Speaker 1: would the offense have been able to get a snap
Speaker 1: off with whatever time was remaining on the clock when
Speaker 1: the play was ruled over? No? Probably not right. It's
Speaker 1: what Travis said. They essentially get a free time out,
Speaker 1: not even a free time out, but they also could
Speaker 1: potentially get another snap that they weren't entitled to think about. This.
Speaker 1: This was a this was a deep pass that was
Speaker 1: ruled a catch for touchdown. There's eight seconds on the
Speaker 1: game clock. If they ruled down in the field of play,
Speaker 1: Buffalo now has eight seconds to run up, get set
Speaker 1: and either spike it or run a play. And chances
Speaker 1: are when it was like a forty fifty yard pass,
Speaker 1: They're not going to have enough time to do that.
Speaker 1: So the rule is in place to prevent a team
Speaker 1: from getting a snap that they would not have been
Speaker 1: entitled to. So in that instance, right, you run tense
Speaker 1: seconds and if they have a time out they can
Speaker 1: take it. Because think about if the call in the
Speaker 1: field is correct initially down in the field of play,
Speaker 1: what is Buffalo gonna do. They're gonna run up there
Speaker 1: and try to spike, or they have a time out,
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a time out. So you you say,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run ten seconds, which is the standard, And
Speaker 1: a lot of people were asking, well, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's a four yard pass, it could be five seconds.
Speaker 1: If it's a twenty yard pass, it could be eight seconds.
Speaker 1: Why because you just you can't say for sure how
Speaker 1: many seconds it's gonna take. You have to have a standard.
Speaker 1: Were you and were you in on the meetings when
Speaker 1: this rule became. So this rule came, this rule went
Speaker 1: in the book in two thousand ten. It there was
Speaker 1: there was one play that stood out in two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: It was a play at the end of the half.
Speaker 1: It was the Saints and Dolphins and where where I
Speaker 1: believe it was the Saints who are on offense, that
Speaker 1: got another snap when they really shouldn't have. The clocks
Speaker 1: should have run out. And so the committee looked at
Speaker 1: it and they put this ten second runoff rule in
Speaker 1: And now the ten second runoff rule though, has been
Speaker 1: in place for many years as it results a all
Speaker 1: start inside of two minutes. And that's again, the theory
Speaker 1: behind that is clock is running offenses behind. They're trying
Speaker 1: to save time. If you allow them to false start
Speaker 1: and stop the clock without a without a clock penalty,
Speaker 1: they gain an advantage, right, but they'll take they'll give
Speaker 1: up the yardage for the time. They'll say, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna foul, we're gonna false start. We'll take the five yards,
Speaker 1: but there's four seconds on the game clock. We want
Speaker 1: the game clock to stop. That's why. Yeah, again, try
Speaker 1: to stop with the substitutions. It's really that's not the
Speaker 1: intent of the rule. Just let it go, Please let
Speaker 1: it go. I understand I don't want to get to
Speaker 1: frisky with you because I don't want you to pull
Speaker 1: a law more on the start a lot, But it's
Speaker 1: not about substitutions. It's about plays and conserving time. And
Speaker 1: that's why the ten second runoff was in place. And
Speaker 1: the committee when they put this in, they said the
Speaker 1: minimum amount of time it would take for the offense
Speaker 1: to get lined up set would be ten seconds. Now
Speaker 1: we know it could be less in some situations, but
Speaker 1: you have to have a standard. The standard is ten seconds.
Speaker 1: That why the rules rules in place, and you're not penalizing. Look,
Speaker 1: you're not penalizing the offense because the officials made a mistake.
Speaker 1: If you didn't have this rule, you'd be penalizing the
Speaker 1: defense because you'd be saying, we're giving the offense another
Speaker 1: snap that they wouldn't wouldn't be entitled to or they
Speaker 1: would have been entitled to with less time on the clock.
Speaker 1: And that that's where the advantage disadvantage really takes place.
Speaker 1: I feel like I remember one the first season you
Speaker 1: came into Fox that three years ago and it was
Speaker 1: a Detroit play and you and you and Pereira like
Speaker 1: looked at each other and got so excited that it
Speaker 1: was like he was jealous that you gotta go on
Speaker 1: the air to talk about this. He was, He's like
Speaker 1: eight years. I waited eight years for this year, so
Speaker 1: I have the craziest memory. I I remember a lot
Speaker 1: of plays and but that that was. It was Atlanta
Speaker 1: and it was Detroit. The lines were out of time outs,
Speaker 1: Golden Tate ruled a touchdown, replay comes in, stops it.
Speaker 1: Walt Coleman was the referee, replay stops it rules short.
Speaker 1: Chris Myers was on the game, and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about christ Myers in the second. So there was Chris
Speaker 1: Myers and Darryl Johnston and so they go to me
Speaker 1: and I see Tate is short, and I explain, I go,
Speaker 1: this is this is the rule. Now Tate is short.
Speaker 1: We're inside of two minutes. It's a running clock. They're
Speaker 1: gonna run ten seconds. The Lions are out of time outs,
Speaker 1: and the game is going to end. And Chris Myers
Speaker 1: was like, are you sure about that? And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. That was Travis is Christmas. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I'm sure. And then Wal Coleman comes out makes
Speaker 1: the announcement and it was and Lions fans and Lion
Speaker 1: fans haven't haven't liked me since the two thousand the
Speaker 1: playoff game. No, not even Ava Johnson wasn't me, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was, I was in a bar and Herrosa Beach
Speaker 1: during Calvin Johnson. This was this was the flag pick
Speaker 1: up in the cap. There was seven days in my
Speaker 1: career that defined it was the Lions Cowboys flag pick
Speaker 1: up for the d P. I right. Seven days later,
Speaker 1: the des play happens. Okay, that's it. Those are two
Speaker 1: most controversial calls that that I've been a part of.
Speaker 1: Lions fans haven't liked me since that one. This one
Speaker 1: certainly did not endear me to Lions fans because I
Speaker 1: I basically told them that, look, your team's gonna lose.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about what the referee is gonna say. This
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. And they lost, and uh again, don't
Speaker 1: blame Dean, guys, don't blame Dean. But Chris Myers did
Speaker 1: say on the game on Sunday, we're doing the the
Speaker 1: Cardinals um Seahawks game, and Chris Myers did. I went
Speaker 1: on the air and did a hit and Chris Myers says, Okay, go,
Speaker 1: you know, go back to watching your Hallmark movies, so
Speaker 1: which I appreciated because I am a big Hallmark fan.
Speaker 1: Um we all know that. And uh yeah, So anyway,
Speaker 1: let's let's move on carolinea, Indianapolis. You were Travis. You
Speaker 1: were a little bit like you were shaking up, like
Speaker 1: you were a little bit worried. Vernon Butler um on Carolina.
Speaker 1: He had a moment, lawnmar moment there were he lost it.
Speaker 1: He there's the play happens. He grabs the offensive lineman's
Speaker 1: face mask, rips him to the ground, and then eight
Speaker 1: who's eighty four on the colts That poor guy looking up.
Speaker 1: That poor guy's not even he's like just along for
Speaker 1: the ride. He ends up getting knocked over. He's laying
Speaker 1: on the ground. Butler was locked up with the offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and Butler just punches him right in the face, like
Speaker 1: just laying on the ground, punches him in the face.
Speaker 1: Jacky Jack Doyle like Jack Doyle's like, you know, Jack
Speaker 1: Doyle was the Jack Doyle was the one that poor
Speaker 1: Jack Doyle. Jack Doyle was the one that that burke
Speaker 1: perfect hit to get suspended for the year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jack Doyle, he must he must have a mouth on
Speaker 1: him out there. Jack Toole didn't do anything. He was
Speaker 1: just the perfect play. He caught it. He got up,
Speaker 1: he got hit in the head. This one he just
Speaker 1: fell on the ground. You're making Jack doil trouble I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just saying that multiple incidences now, Jack
Speaker 1: total troublemaker, the line stepper. Anyway, he gets punched in
Speaker 1: the face. They throw the flag, and the officials on
Speaker 1: the field, I don't believe they were going to eject.
Speaker 1: New York got involved. They stopped the game and New
Speaker 1: York can get involved. Flag is thrown and if it
Speaker 1: raises to the level of of an ejection, they can
Speaker 1: eject from New York. And then it was look, punch
Speaker 1: um clearly out of bounds. That was not something that
Speaker 1: you want to see in the game. And they did
Speaker 1: a good job ejecting Butler. But you were mentioning. I
Speaker 1: mean he was. Travels was like, he's scaring me, like
Speaker 1: he did I He was like, look at him, He's like,
Speaker 1: he's got this wild look in his eyes. Why why
Speaker 1: is like, why is he so aggressive? It's an aggressive game. Travis, Oh,
Speaker 1: I never understood why someone punches someone who has a
Speaker 1: helmet on. It was then. I always think back to
Speaker 1: my brother when he says, oh, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: they threw the flag. You know, when they throw the
Speaker 1: flag for that penalty for hitting someone too hard. Little whistle,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make somebody happy with the whistle. Um And
Speaker 1: then uh, last play before we take a break, Washington Giants.
Speaker 1: What a what a game for for We had two
Speaker 1: games that it dealt teams that are gonna have be
Speaker 1: in the top four five in the draft. It was
Speaker 1: Giants Washingtons both thirty five thirty five at the end
Speaker 1: of regulation that go to overtime and and and here,
Speaker 1: honestly though, and this is serious, like we're kind of
Speaker 1: joking about it today, but this is series. What what
Speaker 1: this illustrates is when they talk about tanking, there's no tanking.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no tanking in the NFL. When you
Speaker 1: watch those games and those teams, and that's this is serious.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go and try to get the number
Speaker 1: one pick all year or get you know, being in
Speaker 1: position to draft a player two, three, four, And then
Speaker 1: Week sixteen, these teams were and I don't care about
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the n b A and
Speaker 1: the NBA. Look, it's been more you know you've had
Speaker 1: You've had Mark Cuban say that, yeah, you know there's
Speaker 1: tanking in the NBA, and but in the NFL, there
Speaker 1: is no tanking. You watched four teams go into overtime,
Speaker 1: and seriously, like you make a case the Giants played
Speaker 1: their way. That win takes them out of the number
Speaker 1: two pick. And when you have when you have Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow as the consensus number one and Chase Young as
Speaker 1: the consensus number two and you're playing like that, like, so,
Speaker 1: don't tell me that there's tank king in the NFL.
Speaker 1: When you have the Dolphins that people were accusing them
Speaker 1: of tanking and doing all these things. Asked Brian Flores
Speaker 1: and those players on that roster, they played their hearts
Speaker 1: out today, won that game, and uh and again, and
Speaker 1: those wins impact draft position. There's no guaranteed money, no
Speaker 1: guarantee for the players, so they have to play hard.
Speaker 1: There's no guarantee they're gonna be on the roster. There's
Speaker 1: no guarantee even if coach it's in his first year,
Speaker 1: is gonna be back next year. So there's no tanking.
Speaker 1: It's just there's too much on the line, exactly. And
Speaker 1: and then but the play from that game from the
Speaker 1: Giants Washington game was which was interesting. It was late
Speaker 1: in the game and it was the game tying touchdown,
Speaker 1: you know, before the extra point, and it was case
Speaker 1: Keenum who scrambled door for the goal line and got hit.
Speaker 1: Ball came out recovered in the end zone by West Martin,
Speaker 1: one of the offensive lineman rule. The touchdown went to review.
Speaker 1: We really didn't have a great look down the line.
Speaker 1: I thought, if you had to, if I had to
Speaker 1: guess he was short, I think he was short. But
Speaker 1: you never had to look down the line. But it's
Speaker 1: interesting because outside of two minutes or first second, third down.
Speaker 1: Outside two minutes, it's a touchdown either way, whether whether
Speaker 1: he broke the plane of the goal line or not,
Speaker 1: because two minute fumble rule doesn't apply inside two minutes.
Speaker 1: On fourth down, only the fumbling player can recover it
Speaker 1: in advance of the fumbling spot, so you can't advance it.
Speaker 1: And so had it been reversed, it would have Washington
Speaker 1: would have kept them all. That's why that recovery is
Speaker 1: so important in the end zone. But it would have
Speaker 1: come back to the spot of the fumble, which if
Speaker 1: they determined it short, wherever that spot, where wherever that
Speaker 1: spot was, And that goes back and we had a
Speaker 1: fun moment on the air with Tom Brenneman where I
Speaker 1: mentioned the Holy Roller and he was being a little
Speaker 1: bit sarcastic, and I said, you know, this goes back
Speaker 1: to the Holy Roller plane. He said, yeah, I walk
Speaker 1: us through the Holy Roller. You were there in that
Speaker 1: seat and I said, no, I wasn't. I think I'm
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was like five where
Speaker 1: the Holy Roller happened, but it was, uh you know
Speaker 1: that goes back San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I play Kenny Stabler. I believe fumbled the ball.
Speaker 1: It got knocked and muffed and into the end zone.
Speaker 1: The Raiders recovered it for a touchdown and won the game.
Speaker 1: And I just remember the San Diego Chicken. If you
Speaker 1: watch the highlights, the San Diego Chicken, like passing out September.
Speaker 1: That was. That was three days before my seventh birthday.
Speaker 1: Dean was not there. I was twenty three days old.
Speaker 1: Days day. You you woke up, you took a ship
Speaker 1: and yourself. You cried hello, hello baba. Al Right, on
Speaker 1: that note, let's take a break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a textas change, text exchange I
Speaker 1: had with Sean Payton. What do officials do during the week,
Speaker 1: and and what communication happened between clubs and official Snapstone
Speaker 1: PEP calls. All right, we're back when good calls. And
Speaker 1: I just wanted I actually wanted to do a little breakdown.
Speaker 1: We're we're going, we're wrapping up Week sixteen. I just
Speaker 1: want to talk some statistics as we head into the
Speaker 1: end of the regular season. And obviously, you know, the
Speaker 1: Competition Committee looks at all of these statistics and and
Speaker 1: a lot of those stats and trends and things that
Speaker 1: they look at that those drive the conversation for rules changes.
Speaker 1: And obviously there could be things that happened in the
Speaker 1: postseason allah last year, the NFC Championship game, And and
Speaker 1: that leads me to the subject of past inference review.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to get you know, we've talked
Speaker 1: about this all year, but just to review, going into
Speaker 1: Week sixteen, we had there were there were ninety four
Speaker 1: total reviews and twenty one reversals. Okay, so two four
Speaker 1: games reversals. That's one reversal every ten games. And with
Speaker 1: the amount of controversy and angst and conversation of surrounding
Speaker 1: this rule, do we think that one reversal in every
Speaker 1: ten games is worth it, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: hate the rule and what I think and I would agree,
Speaker 1: and I think this is this is it has played
Speaker 1: out where the unintended consequences, We've seen them play out
Speaker 1: before our very eyes. And it's a very subjective call.
Speaker 1: But what what does give me pause is the league
Speaker 1: has been There have been very few times where league passes,
Speaker 1: the league has passed a rule for one year and
Speaker 1: that rule has not been ended or or passed permanently.
Speaker 1: Very rarely does a rule get completely taken off the books,
Speaker 1: even after one year, And so that does give me pause.
Speaker 1: And I do think we'll have to see how the
Speaker 1: playoffs and the postseason plays out. But I think we
Speaker 1: have seen the growing pains with this rule. You know,
Speaker 1: weeks so far, through weeks sixteen, there wasn't much controversial.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of calls. I thought, not not
Speaker 1: not thrown, no flag thrown on the field, challenged, no,
Speaker 1: no replay, replay did not create the foul properly. But again,
Speaker 1: when you talk about just the conversation, this has been
Speaker 1: such a hot topic, and when you're talking about one
Speaker 1: reversal in every ten games, I just don't know if
Speaker 1: it's worth it at this point. But that said, if
Speaker 1: there's a big play in the play in the postseason
Speaker 1: and and we have an overturn and it's the right call,
Speaker 1: then I think the league will look at it and
Speaker 1: say that that, uh, you know, it worked. I certainly
Speaker 1: think you can't say it's a success at the point,
Speaker 1: but remains to be seen. I look at I look
Speaker 1: at statistics and just just a quick overview of where
Speaker 1: we are statistically, and these are all through week fifteen.
Speaker 1: Penalties per game sixteen point seven per game, which is
Speaker 1: up from last year, but not significantly. And we saw
Speaker 1: that number well over eighteen earlier in the year. It
Speaker 1: started to come down and that typically happens later in
Speaker 1: the year. And uh, and so sixteen point seven, that's
Speaker 1: not a bad number. You want to be in that
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen range. That seems to be a healthy number
Speaker 1: and historically where it's been. So from that standpoint, I
Speaker 1: think I think we're in a good place. You look
Speaker 1: at game time. Game time is actually up three hours,
Speaker 1: six minutes and fifty seconds. What's interesting about that is
Speaker 1: it's the first season since since two thousand and fifteen
Speaker 1: where game time has actually gone up. And this is
Speaker 1: a big deal for the league. The league is looking
Speaker 1: at ways too. They want to reduce downtime. They want
Speaker 1: to and they hope with the reduction of the downtime
Speaker 1: that overall game length lessons it becomes it becomes shorter UM.
Speaker 1: And obviously it went the wrong way this year. Now
Speaker 1: there's a variety of factors. It's tough. You know, you
Speaker 1: talk about number of incomplete passes, penalties, replay reviews, all
Speaker 1: of these things lead to game time UM and impact
Speaker 1: the game time. But three or six fifty it's not
Speaker 1: a it's not an awful number, but it is up
Speaker 1: um almost a minute from where it was last year.
Speaker 1: And you look at number of plays, and plays drive everything.
Speaker 1: Plays drive everything. And I can't say this enough. That's
Speaker 1: what the NFL is providing its fans plays football. Where
Speaker 1: one four point three through fifteen weeks, that's a low number. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a low number when you look at number of
Speaker 1: plays on part with where it was last year. But
Speaker 1: when you look at when you look at two thousands,
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred fifty five, two six hundred fifty six, two thousand, fifteen,
Speaker 1: almost a hundred, almost hundred fifty eight. So we have
Speaker 1: lost plays in the game. So plays have gone down,
Speaker 1: game time has gone up. That's not the recipe. That's
Speaker 1: not that's gonna end up. You're not gonna get a
Speaker 1: good meal with that recipe. You want you want plays
Speaker 1: to be up. You want game time to be you know, down.
Speaker 1: You don't want to have the games too long. You
Speaker 1: also want scoring to be up. Scoring is in a
Speaker 1: good place where at forty five point five UM points
Speaker 1: per game, which is a good number, was not as
Speaker 1: high as last year, and last year I think was
Speaker 1: the second highest scoring season of all time. But forty
Speaker 1: five is a good number. But average margin of victory
Speaker 1: is actually up eleven point six eight margin of victory.
Speaker 1: And when you look at last year at this time
Speaker 1: ten point eight eight UM, you go back to two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen under ten nine point nine three. When you
Speaker 1: can get I mean ideally, when you have a margin
Speaker 1: of victory, what do you want? What do you want
Speaker 1: is an n You want close games. You want one
Speaker 1: score games on cosion one score games. So if you
Speaker 1: can get the close as close as you can get
Speaker 1: to eight as possible, No, they're always gonna be blowouts.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be blowouts. It happens. But if you can
Speaker 1: get that number the closer to eight, that means that
Speaker 1: we've got close games. And then if all looks at that,
Speaker 1: they track games decided by three points or less, games
Speaker 1: decided by seven points of less, games decided by eight
Speaker 1: points or less, they look at that those are one
Speaker 1: possession games. That's what we saw. We saw three games
Speaker 1: on Saturday that we're down to the wire. Those were
Speaker 1: fun games to watch. Forty seven to ten is not
Speaker 1: a fun game to watch. I don't get it. How
Speaker 1: is game time up but players are down? That doesn't
Speaker 1: really compute to me as just an average fan. It
Speaker 1: doesn't compute until when you think about game time and
Speaker 1: look at and and so what the league. How the
Speaker 1: league tracks game time. They track things like incomplete passes.
Speaker 1: They look at turnovers, right, because what are things that
Speaker 1: stopped the clock? Incomplete pass turnovers, penalties, penalties, replay reviews.
Speaker 1: They look at out of bounds plays, kay when a
Speaker 1: runner goes out of bounds, clock stops, time outs, TV
Speaker 1: time outs, all of these things. Now, TV timeouts don't change.
Speaker 1: There's there's a number. There's there's a number of TV
Speaker 1: time outs per game that that are set, but there's
Speaker 1: sixteen breaks during the game. But the other things are
Speaker 1: all variables, right, We don't know how many penalties there
Speaker 1: are gonna be in the game. We don't know how
Speaker 1: many turnovers. We don't know how any touchdowns, we don't
Speaker 1: know how many incomplete passes. So when you look at
Speaker 1: this year compared to last year, right, incomplete passes are up,
Speaker 1: turnovers slightly up, out of bounds place slightly downy you
Speaker 1: look at team time outs, what how many team time
Speaker 1: outs do you think, on average are taken during a game?
Speaker 1: On average, stack the team time outs per team four
Speaker 1: and a half, I'd say five. I mean they're gonna
Speaker 1: use most of them out, I would imagine. So so
Speaker 1: when you have and and looking at the numbers, it's
Speaker 1: it's oh, usually it's probably right around five per game.
Speaker 1: And but you have you have full time outs, and
Speaker 1: you have and you have five point one and and
Speaker 1: there's thirty second time outs. But team time outs, that's important.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that we haven't mentioned, right, what else?
Speaker 1: What else stops the game clock in a game? Things
Speaker 1: that we haven't mentioned. Think about watching a game, something happens,
Speaker 1: clock stops injuries, injuries exactly, so, and that's something you
Speaker 1: can't control, right, you can't control the number of injuries
Speaker 1: untill they try with the penal teas of people. Oh
Speaker 1: that's the penalty of the guy got hit, got hit
Speaker 1: too hard? Shout out, Oh they flagged them. You know
Speaker 1: that penalty they call when the guy got hit to it.
Speaker 1: So these are all things that the league looks at
Speaker 1: in terms of time outs, clock stoppages, and again it's
Speaker 1: it's all a formula. And what you want is you
Speaker 1: want you want a hundred and fifty five plays per game.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good number between a hundred hundred fifty
Speaker 1: six plays per game. Passing yards is important, Okay, passing
Speaker 1: yards is another number. You need a healthy passing game
Speaker 1: because people don't want to watch three you know, three
Speaker 1: yards a cloud of dust. They want you need a
Speaker 1: healthy passing game. Penalties are important to the game. They
Speaker 1: make sure the game is played fairly and safely. And
Speaker 1: then points are important. So interesting in terms of where
Speaker 1: we are with the statistics, I'm just gonna throw this
Speaker 1: out there as a guy who did not work for
Speaker 1: the NFL, I call bs on that they want the
Speaker 1: game time to be shorter because longer games, more sponsorships,
Speaker 1: more revenue. It's a business. But I know we've already
Speaker 1: argued this, even though we've seen those those numbers of
Speaker 1: game the game time go down. It's like you see
Speaker 1: in game ads now, so let's think it doesn't. They'll
Speaker 1: add they'll find a way there. There's there's all those
Speaker 1: TV deals, the network deals. There's there's a limited number
Speaker 1: of breaks that you can take during the game, right
Speaker 1: and and those breaks are timed, and so it's up
Speaker 1: to the network to fill those brakes and with advertisers
Speaker 1: and all of that. But the league does want when
Speaker 1: you look at how people how do people watch in
Speaker 1: in nineteen five, how are people how are the majority
Speaker 1: of people watching NFL games at home on their TV
Speaker 1: at home? Right in two thousand nineteen, how many people
Speaker 1: are sitting at home watching games compared to more or less?
Speaker 1: But I would think similar, no bars, And if you're
Speaker 1: still but you're watching, you're watching red Zone, you're watching
Speaker 1: on your your smartphone, you're watching on you you have
Speaker 1: access to more games. I remember growing up I was
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York. I watched the Jets
Speaker 1: and the Giants. Those are the two games that were on.
Speaker 1: And then if I was lucky enough to stay up,
Speaker 1: I watched Monday Night Football. That was it. Now you
Speaker 1: can go on red Zone, you can see all the
Speaker 1: scoring plays. I can go on NFL Game Pass, I
Speaker 1: can watch any game any market, anywhere. And so people
Speaker 1: are watching differently than they were and they were. Also
Speaker 1: the attention span. There's so much more out there, there's
Speaker 1: so much more content out there, and the attention span
Speaker 1: is not as great. And so again, you we're all
Speaker 1: gonna watch a fifty you know, the rams cheese from
Speaker 1: last year. Everybody's gonna watch if it's three and a
Speaker 1: half hours, they don't care. Right, how many of those
Speaker 1: college games do we sit there in the studio and
Speaker 1: it's like, Jesus, when is this game going to end?
Speaker 1: It's six, it's Oklahoma's beating somebody sixty seven to twelve.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see what the average margin of victory
Speaker 1: in college it is. I feel like there's so many blowouts,
Speaker 1: well way way bigger. The marginal victory in college is bigger.
Speaker 1: But again, you have I think I think you have
Speaker 1: the nonconference games, you have conference games. It's all it's
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but again it's just interesting and
Speaker 1: and just shifting gears before we could go down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole all night. But um, it wasn't interesting. I
Speaker 1: did we we have looked at a play and this
Speaker 1: kind of brought up the next topic we had the play.
Speaker 1: When was it? It was the Saints. It was last week, right,
Speaker 1: the fake Yes, it was a fake punt last week,
Speaker 1: fake punt. The Saints ran a fake punt the Niners
Speaker 1: Saints game. They were in a fake punt. No, it
Speaker 1: was actually two weeks ago because because the Saints played
Speaker 1: Monday night, priest broke all the records, so it's two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, forty nine together. Saints they ran a fake
Speaker 1: punt potential pass inference, but it was on the widest
Speaker 1: man the formation can have passed inference. The Saints wanted holding,
Speaker 1: so Sean Sean Payne. I was texting with him after
Speaker 1: the game and and he was, you know, he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I I told him, look, hey, it's hard
Speaker 1: because it probably was holding, but it's hard for that
Speaker 1: official to transition from punt to pass and you're gonna
Speaker 1: look at it differently. You're looking at that play differently.
Speaker 1: If it's a if it's a corner blocking a gunner
Speaker 1: versus a corner covering a receiver, and he made the
Speaker 1: comedy said, I wish I would have given it to
Speaker 1: the officials before the game, because then they would And
Speaker 1: that's a great comment for him to make, because whenever
Speaker 1: you're gonna run something like that, you always want to
Speaker 1: make sure that the officials know because they're prepared for it.
Speaker 1: They're prepared for the potential because if that official had
Speaker 1: been prepared for that and known that they could possibly
Speaker 1: run a fair, then in in in their mind, they're
Speaker 1: gonna quickly transition from punt to pass and more likely
Speaker 1: to throw the flag for holding. I think we got
Speaker 1: on that topic when we had those two um lineman
Speaker 1: report eligible for the Bills on Saturday night, because I
Speaker 1: was coach, Do you tell the referees before the game, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run something here. It's gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit wacky, but just want you guys to be informed
Speaker 1: that this is going And that's when most teams will
Speaker 1: do that. They'll let because the last thing you want
Speaker 1: is to have a team try something different and have
Speaker 1: it be legal, but it catches the officials off guard
Speaker 1: and they flag it for you know, they just because
Speaker 1: they get caught off guards. So so if you're gonna
Speaker 1: run like that's not you know, having eligible ineligible players
Speaker 1: report is eligible is not necessarily a trick play. Um.
Speaker 1: That was one where they had seventy three on the
Speaker 1: end of the line. He reported, seventy one was on
Speaker 1: the other end of the line. He did report, and
Speaker 1: then they basically ran a tackle eligible seventy three caught
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass. So that that's more. You know, that's
Speaker 1: just procedure. You have to make sure your report, you
Speaker 1: go to the referee, the referee makes the announcement. They
Speaker 1: pointed out to the defense. But if you're gonna run
Speaker 1: something a trick play, a fake, you always want to
Speaker 1: make sure. You know. Coaches would call me, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember I had special teams. Coaches um call me
Speaker 1: all the time, and I I had that I had
Speaker 1: the league. After my first season, I had them put
Speaker 1: I asked they could put a white board in my
Speaker 1: office on the wall because I had to diagram stuff
Speaker 1: because coaches would would talk to me on the phone
Speaker 1: and I would diagram it while I was talking to them.
Speaker 1: So it would give me a better understanding of what
Speaker 1: they were actually trying to do. So I had a
Speaker 1: white board on my wall and I would talk to
Speaker 1: the special teams coach from the Colts or the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: and I would say, Okay, what do you got and
Speaker 1: he would walk me through what he was doing. I
Speaker 1: would draw it up and then I'd have a better
Speaker 1: understanding and I would say, yeah, you know what, that's legal,
Speaker 1: or you know what, you gotta do this. This is
Speaker 1: illegal the way you're explaining it to me. But if
Speaker 1: you do this, if you move this guy up on
Speaker 1: the line, then it would be legal. And then those
Speaker 1: those are great. Those are fun conversations to have. And
Speaker 1: uh because the special teams coaches especially, they're very creative
Speaker 1: and they they do spend a lot of time just trying.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw, um, we saw a great trick,
Speaker 1: a great fake punt play today. What game was and
Speaker 1: they dropped the past. I think it was New Yorleans
Speaker 1: it was the Saints and dim But loving this guy,
Speaker 1: Darren Is. He's one of the best special teams coaches
Speaker 1: in the in the league. He has been. He was
Speaker 1: with Miami for a long time and they ran a
Speaker 1: great fake, a great fake and the kid just dropped
Speaker 1: it and it would have been a first down and uh.
Speaker 1: And so those are the types of things that you
Speaker 1: want to be prepared for because as an official, you
Speaker 1: don't want to make a you know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to flag something because you're just caught off guard. Can
Speaker 1: he go up to him just before the play? Hey,
Speaker 1: just a heads up? Typically you don't want to take
Speaker 1: then you don't want to tip off. You don't want
Speaker 1: to tip off the other team too, because the more um,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it was it was Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1: It was it was coach Urban who's with us at Fox,
Speaker 1: you know, on the CFB broadcast, Um that he said
Speaker 1: that he would have a guy on his staff watched
Speaker 1: the other team's head coach and if they knew, they
Speaker 1: knew if that head coach was involved in special teams
Speaker 1: or not, and if that head coach was typically not
Speaker 1: involved in special teams, and that head coach for some
Speaker 1: reason before kickoff was in the huddle. That was a
Speaker 1: tip off that wait a minute, they might be they
Speaker 1: might have something here. So that's the type of thing
Speaker 1: that that that's next level stuff, and that's coach Meyer.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to you don't want to tip
Speaker 1: off the other team, but you do want to make
Speaker 1: sure whether it's during the week, and you let the
Speaker 1: head of officiating note or before the game, two officials
Speaker 1: from each crew, from the crew go to each locker
Speaker 1: room before the game ninety minutes before kickoff, and they
Speaker 1: talked to the head coach and they asked him if
Speaker 1: you have anything, you got anything for us, you got
Speaker 1: any questions, you got any trick plays. Then they'll come
Speaker 1: back the crew that the two guys or two two
Speaker 1: officials will come back to the locker room and they'll
Speaker 1: go through it and they actually they'll make everyone because
Speaker 1: there's a locker room attendant. There may be other people
Speaker 1: in that locker room. When they go through what the
Speaker 1: teams have given them, they make everybody leave the locker
Speaker 1: room who's not who's not a game official, and they
Speaker 1: go through it because they don't want somebody a locker
Speaker 1: room attendant going hey, guess what you know? And uh,
Speaker 1: but it's really interesting, you know we talked about that
Speaker 1: what happened during the during the week. What do officials
Speaker 1: do during the week. Um, you know they're not. Everybody says, well,
Speaker 1: they should be full time. They are for all intensive
Speaker 1: purposes they are. They don't just show up on Sunday,
Speaker 1: work the game and leave. They work their game. They're
Speaker 1: in there. They're in the league city. The day before,
Speaker 1: they have a pregame meeting that lasts most of the day.
Speaker 1: They go through, they go through a scouting report on
Speaker 1: each team. They look at tape on each team. They
Speaker 1: look at offense, defense, special teams. They go through what
Speaker 1: they like to do in different situations. Here's what they
Speaker 1: like to do in in in short yardage situations. Here's
Speaker 1: what they like to do in goal line. Here's what
Speaker 1: they do on special teams. They go through all of that. Right,
Speaker 1: they'll watch a video that the league puts together. They'll
Speaker 1: go through what they have to go through for their
Speaker 1: upcoming game. They work the game, they go immediately. They
Speaker 1: leave the game with with the TV copy of the
Speaker 1: game on a little thumb drive. Okay, so their watch
Speaker 1: seen that game on the way home. On the plane.
Speaker 1: Right home, they're watching the game, they're making notes. They
Speaker 1: get the coaches copy, which is the sideline and ends on.
Speaker 1: They get that on Monday. Now they're breaking down the film.
Speaker 1: Most crews will have a conference call on Tuesday, going
Speaker 1: through their game. They do an evaluation of their entire game.
Speaker 1: So on Tuesday they have that call. That call could
Speaker 1: take hours. On Wednesday, they get a report from the
Speaker 1: League office. The League office goes through the game, evaluates
Speaker 1: every play of every game, gives them a report. That's
Speaker 1: where their grades are. Those grades accumulate throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Those grades matter. That's how you get postseason assignments. That's
Speaker 1: how you keep your job or lose your job. That's
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Thursday, the tapes come out from the league.
Speaker 1: There's a training tape, there's position tapes, umpire, referee, line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, downfield. They have all those videos. They're going
Speaker 1: through those. There's communication throughout the week. On Friday, typically
Speaker 1: a slow day. Friday is a slow day in the
Speaker 1: NFL for the most part. Saturday is a travel day.
Speaker 1: They get to the stay, they get to the city,
Speaker 1: they have the pregame. It starts all over again. They
Speaker 1: may work. They may work Thursday Thursday night. So now
Speaker 1: they got to leave Wednesday, and so they are as
Speaker 1: full time. I guarantee you officials game officials. NFL game
Speaker 1: officials spend more time at their craft than a lot
Speaker 1: of people do. That only have one job. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that's it's also fascinating. And how much then is
Speaker 1: the head of officiating does that person have with the
Speaker 1: cruise Do they only come to them as if they
Speaker 1: have questions or or a near role? How much did
Speaker 1: you talk with them throughout the week? Well? You you
Speaker 1: you will. If you have a specific issue that you need,
Speaker 1: I might have. You know, I would talk to a
Speaker 1: referee right after a game if there was a specific issue. UM,
Speaker 1: you don't like it's impossible to talk to every official,
Speaker 1: UM even seventeen referees. Your week is very busy as
Speaker 1: the head of officials, you're your Monday and tuesdays spent
Speaker 1: talking to coaches and dealing with club issues. But if
Speaker 1: there's something significant, you'll talk to that referee or that
Speaker 1: specific official right after the game. If there's something you
Speaker 1: need to go through that that is less time sensitive,
Speaker 1: you'll do it during the week. Every crew gets that
Speaker 1: that training tape, they all get their evaluation report. The
Speaker 1: evaluation report is is there? We would tell our supervisors
Speaker 1: who are doing that. Every opportunity you get to teach, teach,
Speaker 1: I don't care if there's nothing happened on that play
Speaker 1: if you see somebody in good position, bad position, if
Speaker 1: they have good mechanics, bad mechanics, anything that they can
Speaker 1: improve upon, any opportunity to teach, teach, That's what we
Speaker 1: want to do, and it's an exhaustive process. We would
Speaker 1: spend all day Wednesday looking at every call from every game,
Speaker 1: and we'd look at all the past interferences in a
Speaker 1: row so you can compare and contrast, so you can
Speaker 1: be consistent. So you could say, rather than look at
Speaker 1: the game and say, Okay, we're gonna look at all
Speaker 1: the calls from the Chiefs Bears game and you might
Speaker 1: look at a hold and then illegal formation, we look
Speaker 1: at put them all together. I want to look at
Speaker 1: all the offensive holding back to back to back to
Speaker 1: back so we can compare. Hey, remember that one we
Speaker 1: looked at in the Chiefs game that was similar to
Speaker 1: this one. We have to make sure that we evaluate
Speaker 1: it the same way. So the officials get a consistent
Speaker 1: message and you go through that. There's three hundred to
Speaker 1: four hundred plays a week that you're looking at to
Speaker 1: give feedback to the officials and make sure that they're
Speaker 1: they're on the same page. That messaging from the League
Speaker 1: office is so critical, and then the officials that's how
Speaker 1: you coach them up. Then the officials have to go
Speaker 1: out and execute, and it is it is hard. You
Speaker 1: watch plays, we watch it all the time. You see
Speaker 1: a spot and you watch it one time boom and
Speaker 1: you go, wow, he looks like he made it, and
Speaker 1: the official rules I'm short and you see the replay
Speaker 1: and he's six inches short, and you how do you
Speaker 1: make it? How do you do that? That's crazy? Good job.
Speaker 1: Every now and again, I think they do a great job.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm always so surprised how quickly you can
Speaker 1: see it on TV. And it's changed the way I
Speaker 1: watch football as a football fan. And and I know
Speaker 1: Joe he's the same way. Well, we'll look at these
Speaker 1: things and go he's down and and we we try
Speaker 1: to do our best to not put an opinion on
Speaker 1: it when we're in the studio because we just want
Speaker 1: to know what the fact is. What was it call
Speaker 1: in the field. But like the way we can just
Speaker 1: see it now, it's learning from you. It's amazing. Do
Speaker 1: you know how happy? I know? I'm not. You guys know,
Speaker 1: I'm not for the listeners. I'm not a touchy feeling guy,
Speaker 1: I don't give a lot of them like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: do your job. He's supposed to do your job. But
Speaker 1: do you know how much happiness it brings me when
Speaker 1: I hear one of you guys like like, I don't
Speaker 1: give Joe a lot of credit, but he'll point out
Speaker 1: like he'll point out a foul and I say, that
Speaker 1: looks like a block in the back. I'm forty two,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. And that makes me so
Speaker 1: happy when you guys, because I've been looking at the
Speaker 1: game that way since ye three years. Better be good
Speaker 1: at it or I should quit. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people will say, oh, but anyway, but when that makes
Speaker 1: me so happier, when you when you reference a rule
Speaker 1: or it does and and to see your the growth
Speaker 1: that you guys have made is it really makes it.
Speaker 1: It makes it all worthwhile. It's fun. It's fun. You
Speaker 1: definitely we definitely see the game a little differently. So
Speaker 1: all right, well when we come back, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about some stuff that happened in the Cube Brandon Blandino
Speaker 1: and uh and we gonna talk about Travis's fashion tips
Speaker 1: from y Homing from the y Oh next good call. Hey,
Speaker 1: We're back on good calls, and as always, we spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the cube. Fox Sports at
Speaker 1: the studio. Had a nice moment on Sunday with Michael Strain.
Speaker 1: I felt like that was he and I have have
Speaker 1: really I feel like we started a bond. He came
Speaker 1: in early in the morning and he just wished us
Speaker 1: like a good morning, like wished to the good day.
Speaker 1: He usually comes in there trying to make some point
Speaker 1: that he's better than you, Dean, and he's always saying,
Speaker 1: how oh, you gotta take care of these guys. I
Speaker 1: come in here bringing these cookies, which he does. He
Speaker 1: brings in a cookie tray of cookies. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he pays for them or where they come from,
Speaker 1: but he brought him in. They come from his assistant.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's not driving down the but today he came
Speaker 1: in and he extended the olive branch as he said,
Speaker 1: and he did the branch. It was nice. I got
Speaker 1: so friendly, I got a little of it was touching. No,
Speaker 1: he's a pretty cool dude. He know, he's great. He's
Speaker 1: good dude. Um all right, But so we saw there
Speaker 1: was somebody on the We still don't know who that was.
Speaker 1: There was somebody on the Seattle sideline in the Seattle
Speaker 1: game in Seattle, and I don't know if he's an entertainer,
Speaker 1: I don't know what, but he had he had like
Speaker 1: a Fannie pack. And one of the guys in the
Speaker 1: well and but Phil said it was that was a gator.
Speaker 1: It was gator skin. Yeah. One of the guys joked,
Speaker 1: that's that's gator skin. And so I asked Travis, I said, Travis,
Speaker 1: um and I'll ask you now, okay, if there was
Speaker 1: if that was like a thing in Wyoming in the
Speaker 1: yoh yeah, if that was the thing in Wyoming, And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're like, oh, the fannie back,
Speaker 1: it's you know, this is a big thing. We want
Speaker 1: to wear them. What animal skin would be like the best?
Speaker 1: Which one? Like what would be the easiest, the easiest,
Speaker 1: get deer? Okay, but that's not sexy, Like it's not
Speaker 1: kind of like one of the mills. So I think
Speaker 1: you see a lot of like elk bags, elk leather,
Speaker 1: and you probably see a lot of bear skin. If
Speaker 1: you can get a bear skin bag, and is that
Speaker 1: that would be like a thing in Wyoming, Like maybe
Speaker 1: you got the you got the new elks. You got
Speaker 1: to end what will we call it? Joe? You're the
Speaker 1: fashion guy. Yeah, Joe comes in. Joe wears like a
Speaker 1: fashion guy on made fun of for a day, but
Speaker 1: pants because you take risks with your fast. Joe's word
Speaker 1: because he's he's gone. He wears, he wears tight tight pants,
Speaker 1: and he's word because what seems to be on trend
Speaker 1: now and what's hitting the runways? And we know this
Speaker 1: because Scott, who we worked with, was at like a
Speaker 1: Nike like a sneaker thing and all these like cool
Speaker 1: hip people were wearing baggy pants and then we he
Speaker 1: Scott said, the runways this fall, it was all baggy pants.
Speaker 1: And Joe is very upset because he has invested in
Speaker 1: a lot of tight pants fitting. What are you gonna do, Joe,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the I have big legs, Dean,
Speaker 1: He's got to show off his thunder thighs. That's how
Speaker 1: it works, all right. So big pants is sloppy in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Speaking of tight pants, we the other thing
Speaker 1: I wanna Travis made. Travis has deemed Joe are our
Speaker 1: our douchest friend, and you he's the but he said
Speaker 1: that you're our douche. You're you're of all the people
Speaker 1: that we hang out with, you're the douche ist, but
Speaker 1: you're our douche. So you're a lovable douche. How do
Speaker 1: you how do we come how do we know what
Speaker 1: our douche tendencies? How do you know someone's a douche?
Speaker 1: So we have to have a douche test, the douche test. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what so what are so let's come up with
Speaker 1: some questions for the douche test. Let's ask Joe and
Speaker 1: let's see if we can write. So Joe, Joe always
Speaker 1: talking about how people are douches, and and then I
Speaker 1: just said flat out It's like, Joe, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to break it to you, like you're you're the douchest guy,
Speaker 1: I know, not not even in the group, the douches guy,
Speaker 1: I know. Are we gonna have to label this episode
Speaker 1: explicit because we're using the word sounds like a bad whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, so when when come we see the DA
Speaker 1: should have went d bag whatever? Okay, So so you're
Speaker 1: the you're the douche ist person that Travis knows. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: but that's not because he doesn't run and douche circles,
Speaker 1: so she'll get out. It's not that bad. Like that's
Speaker 1: what if he was like if he was like hanging
Speaker 1: out in like nightclubs and stuff and do and then
Speaker 1: I'd be like, damn, you're a douche. But you're like
Speaker 1: you're like you know, I'm just gonna tell you that
Speaker 1: in the in the outline here, you spelled douche wrong,
Speaker 1: so that Travis, I was gonna say that glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up because Travis spelled it wrong. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even he's so unde or just bad at spelling. I'm
Speaker 1: the least person, definitely the least. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I should take that as a comment, but then he
Speaker 1: got called out to you guys don't know. Back in
Speaker 1: the day, I was doing the law more. I will
Speaker 1: say that I was hooking up with chicks right before
Speaker 1: I was married. I was married. I was little douche.
Speaker 1: You've definitely I will say that I was in the
Speaker 1: restroom before we started recording, and my hair is a
Speaker 1: little douche. Your hair was definitely today. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say your your hair is definitely. It's it's not what
Speaker 1: Joe have you or how do you currently or have
Speaker 1: you ever owned and ed Hardy T shirt? Negative? I
Speaker 1: haven't either. I think no, you we know, we know
Speaker 1: you're not. We know you're gonna answer a note to
Speaker 1: these questions. Okay, have you do you currently or own
Speaker 1: or have you ever owned a tap out T shirt?
Speaker 1: I have not. I did own a cop shirt though
Speaker 1: Chuck Lidles. I was a big fan of his. Well
Speaker 1: we we love Chuck Um. Have you ever worn or
Speaker 1: owned a pair of True Religion jeans? I have not?
Speaker 1: Diesel for life? Okay, well, okay, that was gonna be
Speaker 1: my next time. So okay, have you have her owned
Speaker 1: or currently own or worn a Von Dutch hat shirt? Anything?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about You're going back years and I
Speaker 1: want like I was very broke in the days that
Speaker 1: that stuff was cool. I I couldn't afford that stuff,
Speaker 1: So no, I didn't. If you could have afforded you,
Speaker 1: absolutely I would. What was there? Was another one? That
Speaker 1: do you own or have you owned a pink polo?
Speaker 1: I've owned plenty of you. I don't pop collars, but
Speaker 1: I love pink and lavender. You guysn't seen me in
Speaker 1: both colors and white. I like white shirts. I wore
Speaker 1: a white shirt yesterday to the studio. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's I think like a white sweater, which I'm actually wearing.
Speaker 1: You are right now, all right, good, it's it's not douchey.
Speaker 1: It's just like not. You don't see a lot of
Speaker 1: dudes wearing white sweaters knitted. No, you're right, you're right, Um,
Speaker 1: all right, Joe, You're still you're you're pretty douche. You
Speaker 1: got a little bit of douche and have a little
Speaker 1: bit so completely you're fashion forward, You're you're definitely there's
Speaker 1: a guido for many years. So I saw you kind
Speaker 1: of give the lady, one of the girls at the
Speaker 1: studio a little bit of heat because she touched your
Speaker 1: hair one time. No, I didn't give her heat. Will
Speaker 1: you wait until she left. I would never do that.
Speaker 1: I would never touch I would never do that to anybody.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you were upset. I was upset she touched
Speaker 1: my hair. Yeah, he's gotta go on camera, he's gotta
Speaker 1: look good. No, but I would never do that to
Speaker 1: the person. I understand that. But you were upset about
Speaker 1: someone touching your hair. That's I've said this before. I
Speaker 1: not not not knock on wood, but not an illness
Speaker 1: that would kill me. But I deal with like a
Speaker 1: lifetime thing, like some kind of affliction over being walled.
Speaker 1: I just would I'd like if I've like had like
Speaker 1: club foot over being like they're just what is it
Speaker 1: for hims? Which get them as a sponsor for him? Well,
Speaker 1: but trying Murray's murason for hims. I think it is
Speaker 1: the hair again, when you grow up in Long Island
Speaker 1: and you grew up as you know with Guido, Tendency's
Speaker 1: hair is very import all right. So your your borderline,
Speaker 1: dou she too, So welcome to the club. Anybody trying
Speaker 1: to be something you're not. That to me is douch.
Speaker 1: That is the most Travis thing that I've heard. All
Speaker 1: that guy yourself. If you want to roller blade and
Speaker 1: we're cut off, then I'm sure let's go for it.
Speaker 1: If that's your thing, come on, let's get our skateboards
Speaker 1: and go. All right, Brandon Blandino, all right, let's do this.
Speaker 1: I got kind of bad. Oh, this is this is good.
Speaker 1: This is a good one. How long after movies were
Speaker 1: invented was the first porn? Damn? This this is what
Speaker 1: you think of on a Wednesday? After Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So I was thinking about this. It was like, so
Speaker 1: the first motion picture, I don't know, we'd have to
Speaker 1: google it. When the first motion picture? What were the
Speaker 1: first motion pictures? Like those black Charlie Chaplain type in
Speaker 1: early Ado. Just like so that happens, and they're like,
Speaker 1: they're like, this is amazing. Like everybody's like they're sitting there,
Speaker 1: They're like, they're in the room. We've created moving pictures.
Speaker 1: Pictures werena have movies. We're we're in the movies. Everybody's
Speaker 1: around there there at their twenty century Fox or MGM
Speaker 1: Grant and they're sitting there going, this is this is
Speaker 1: going to change the world. We're gonna be this is
Speaker 1: gonna unbelievable. And then and then there's one guy in
Speaker 1: the room going, hey, guys, I got an idea. I
Speaker 1: got an idea. How long did that take? How long
Speaker 1: did that happen? Over? Under thirty minutes? How long before
Speaker 1: the first over? They were already thinking about a guarantee? Right,
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, um, do you think we could
Speaker 1: maybe do you think you know all those struggling actors
Speaker 1: and actresses that have been begging us like knocking on
Speaker 1: the door, like pounding on the door trying to get
Speaker 1: in these movies. We have movies for them now, honestly,
Speaker 1: like no joke. It had to like. I even think
Speaker 1: they came up with the idea for moving pictures with
Speaker 1: porn and mind and then they went, you know what,
Speaker 1: we could probably do some other get I feel like
Speaker 1: we could probably get the answer to this question. I
Speaker 1: gotta work computer. I'm not googling the company man s
Speaker 1: w G. Company Man, you asked my Google something can
Speaker 1: you put on your phone? And it's just the P word. No,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. Get off the company WiFi. I can't. Sorry,
Speaker 1: he said that. He says that what's the company? Yes,
Speaker 1: get off the company WiFi? Because because Fox, because the
Speaker 1: executives of Travis Hansen does like Travis. We love you,
Speaker 1: but you're not that important. I just don't want to
Speaker 1: draw the intention to myself, all right. On that note,
Speaker 1: on the spot, twee tweet me if you know when
Speaker 1: Born was invented in relation to the first movie. That's
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