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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ present Aubrey O'Day covering the Didy trial. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so hey guys, we are back.

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Speaker 2: We are now in the home stretch.

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Speaker 1: Officially, the government has rested and the defense has rested.

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Speaker 1: But let me first introduce my guest, Elizabeth wad My

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Speaker 1: search is my favorite journalist of all time, the most

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Speaker 1: epic ever. Elizabeth was the one that obtained the video

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Speaker 1: of Cassie being horrifically beat in the hallway and was

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Speaker 1: able to bring it to the forefront and start to

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Speaker 1: the really big discussion that has become this trial of

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Speaker 1: Diddy and his behavior. That video was for me, I'll

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Speaker 1: just speak from on my own end. That was the

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Speaker 1: first time anyone on the victim side got to breathe.

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Speaker 2: A lot of loss, A lot of.

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Speaker 1: Things were going on during that time. That video was

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Speaker 1: the very first thing that I noticed. A majority of

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Speaker 1: me they felt like maybe people will believe them a

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Speaker 2: What's so interesting about that? And you know, I'm hearing

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Speaker 2: you speak from your perspective and the perspective of other

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Speaker 2: people that you had been in touch with. But what's

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Speaker 2: so interesting, and this feels like such a long time ago,

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Speaker 2: because now we're at the tail end of the trial,

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Speaker 2: But remember that when our team at CNN, when we

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Speaker 2: broke that footage, Remember that Sean Holmes had denied everything

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Speaker 2: in Cassy's lawsuits. Before that, he released a statement denying

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Speaker 2: the quaims. Now, he did not get into the specifics,

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Speaker 2: but when her lossuit came out, he said that it

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Speaker 2: was entirely untrue. That's not a quote I'm paraphrasing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess him paying her off within twenty four

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Speaker 2: But here's what was so interesting. But I'm glad you

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Speaker 2: brought up that there was a settlement because you remember

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Speaker 2: that his attorney at the time, he's no longer representing him,

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Speaker 2: So he's a statement to the media at that point

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Speaker 2: saying that a settlement is in no way in an

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Speaker 2: admission of guilt. And then what do you know, we

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't until then that we got the apologies.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what's crazy too. Were you not tripping when

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Speaker 1: you were in court? Because another thing for everyone listening,

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Speaker 1: she's in court every day, So this is my first

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Speaker 1: chance to really get to speak with someone that is.

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Speaker 1: Of course I speak to people inside the courtroom every

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Speaker 1: a lot of our time asking you about the way

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. I also, yeah, it's that I

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Speaker 2: was your first guest who's inside the koorom.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I mean, you know a lot

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Speaker 1: Like even for your own company, you'll go in and

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Speaker 1: that's truly observing everything, it really does open your perspective

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Speaker 1: much wider. So tell me what it looked like for

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Speaker 1: There's reports about gray gums. I don't know what that

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Speaker 2: Let's got a haircut this week.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, there was a haircut this week.

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Speaker 2: There was a haircut this week.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that helps with the energy, because today's energy in

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Speaker 1: I'm great, thank you so much. Judge, you're doing a

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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing is that's really important. The jury

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Speaker 1: That, so the jury didn't even get to hear him

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Speaker 2: No, why the jury was on the lunch brace. And

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Speaker 2: then that is when, as you said, with this rule

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Speaker 1: But in ninety nine percent of the times. Judges never

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it would be. It would be the biggest shocked.

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Speaker 2: It would be the biggest shot and they either way.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to say to tell me exactly how it looks,

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Speaker 1: but also I wanted to say to you before I

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Speaker 1: It felt scary, like a freight train, like a bullet

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Speaker 2: To get that position.

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Speaker 1: To have somebody who you've had to watch and freak

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Speaker 2: So here's what I'll tell you this judge. I've covered

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Speaker 2: a lot of trials. This judge incredibly fair and he

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Speaker 2: very very conscious he has control over both parties. So

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Speaker 2: he kind of chuckled when he said, you know, thank

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But you wouldn't be able to tell if he found

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Speaker 2: that I have to tell you is this is a drug.

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Speaker 2: As all judges should be with this.

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Speaker 1: How long was the chuckle, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was quick, Like this was a comment of

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Speaker 1: Now, he definitely felt the narcissism on it. It's off putting.

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Speaker 2: Well. Remember this is also the judge who remember when

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Speaker 2: The testimony. Something like a polite comments is not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's not the Dudeen's decision.

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Speaker 1: Well, what's crazy is is like it's almost I know,

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Speaker 1: he's so arrogant. He thinks he run things like how

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Speaker 1: He must just never be able to get out of

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Speaker 1: But I read it as a tell in a negative way.

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Speaker 1: I really need your help tomorrow. I need you to

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean this is it's.

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Speaker 1: Going to come down to how they word things. This

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Speaker 2: It's not at all. And look, sex crimes are incredibly

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Speaker 1: Truly, if I take my emotions off of it, it's

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Speaker 2: But here people are falling asleep. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: but this witness presented evidence. And now where's that evidence

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Speaker 1: Couple flown from here to there and here to there.

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Speaker 2: So the moment that you're talking about, which I would

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Speaker 2: It was a nice drop moment. So on read direct.

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Speaker 2: a day and a half. And then the prosecutor Marine Comy.

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Speaker 1: But they don't forget it. You don't ever forget it.

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Speaker 1: It's been those objections that are not going to be

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Speaker 1: Baby girl, let me tell you what this is, that

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Speaker 1: This is what you need to do, if you want

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Speaker 2: Then you know, this is exactly why the prosecution has

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Speaker 1: Cassie and Jane. For me, I mean, I know them both,

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Speaker 1: I've been around them both. I've seen how both operate

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Speaker 1: And it was clear to you you wouldn't get them

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Speaker 2: Clear as day, that these are very different women. Now

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Speaker 2: is a crossover, yes, if you are maybe a more

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, sorry, I'm going on to hand it out

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Speaker 2: something that I have been thinking of, knowing these jury

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Speaker 1: Because I want to be honest with you, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: I've had thoughts like that during this trial. I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how many.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, not many.

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Speaker 1: When I was the first person to come in this

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Speaker 2: Were I remember I was on air and I saw

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Speaker 1: There were willing days, and I was sitting all the

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Speaker 2: You crack, right, Okay, So Ashley, this is the difference.

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Speaker 2: This is the main difference between Cassie in Vaine and

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Speaker 2: main difference is Caffi was nineteen years old, she was

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Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, after Jane's testimony, a lot

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Speaker 2: of our legal analysts on CNN we're saying, why was

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Speaker 1: What were their responses to that? Because I felt like

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Speaker 2: I don't know if she was that. It felt like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why didn't need six days of her?

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Speaker 1: And she's been able to grow enough to be able

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Speaker 2: Being in the courtroom, it really resonated.

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Speaker 1: Now did Jane resonate with the jury?

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Speaker 2: I think Jane is so complex because she's sitting there

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Speaker 2: on the stands saying that my attorney representing me today

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Speaker 1: Can take her up the stand right then and there.

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Speaker 1: Why does Soulcris be there?

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Speaker 2: This was a gift to the defense and that's why

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Speaker 2: But I bring up these patterns which I set a

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Speaker 2: to be, there is an element of patterns that shows

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the women's conduct. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: The exact There were patterns in they want he wants

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Speaker 2: With wait that, based on their testimony is a form,

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Speaker 1: I have a question when you watched the jury and

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Speaker 1: videos that you don't get to see, correct, correct, what

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you this jury like they have

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Speaker 2: I guess what the Jersey thinks. I know, and I

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Speaker 2: here after we'll do an interview and we'll be totally

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Speaker 2: I heard the same thing you said.

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Speaker 1: The videos. There wasn't anything to grab, Nobody was moving

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Speaker 2: Do you remember? Because the journey didn't see the freak

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Speaker 2: That was the first and only time really that I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't want to be sitting there having

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00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, you've got to be real

440
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: careful with the facial when you're watching pornography in front

441
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: of the world.

442
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: And also, can I tell you that is something I

443
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: thought of. I mean, they've watched a lot of footage

444
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: over the past week, Like how uncomfortable you eighteen jurors

445
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: sitting next to each other and they're all watching porn.

446
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I've opened up porn or in my lifetime.

447
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm forty one years old, that's watched one before. If

448
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: I've come across a girl getting on her knees with

449
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: her mouth open, dressed up as a dolly and heels

450
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: getting pissed men pissing in her mouth, I'm not getting

451
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm immediately off of that entire site and onto something else,

452
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: and I'm having like horrified thoughts for a few days,

453
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not really even gonna go near anything for

454
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: a saw hot second because it's just a little traumatizing

455
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: and a bit like just yuck.

456
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Well, so here what's interesting. So I don't know nobody

457
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: besides the jury and the attorneys know what is in

458
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: those videos, and that's the people that were in the

459
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: courtroom that have hearing like I do.

460
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: I did hear some m's and some groans and someone there.

461
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: There was a day where you could hear.

462
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: Everything smacking on I heard baby oil smacking on walls

463
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: a lot.

464
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you could. There was one day in particular

465
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: that you could hear, and then they realized that you

466
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: could hear, so then they started turning off the mics

467
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: too many.

468
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: There there was some moment in Cassie's testimony where I

469
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: was like dead sold and I didn't really even need

470
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: to hear anything else. I would just believe whatever she

471
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: wants to say in the charges and just go from there.

472
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: She said we were all I was dressed up like

473
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: a doll. However in the costume, he wanted my hair right,

474
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: and these hook the hooker heels he wants them wearing,

475
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: though I think of like stripper heels or whatever. You

476
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: have to go to a special place and get these heels.

477
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: I only know this because we had to dance in

478
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: them half the time in the girl group. But you

479
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: have to like go to custom places. You can't just

480
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: get these heels at Steve Madden and like they have

481
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: these custom heels. And She's like, we're all standing in

482
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: this fucking pool inflatable pool with like and Cassy was like,

483
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. We were standing in there. We kept

484
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: asking us to get down and bathe in the in

485
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: the oil, and we were just standing there and like

486
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: we were like looking at each other, like what the

487
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: fuck are we doing? This is stupid right for me,

488
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: captivated me because it wasn't sexy, it wasn't hot, it

489
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: wasn't even on the to do a look in a

490
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: moment for my man.

491
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: I love it was giving.

492
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: Everyone in the room is uncomfortable and feels this as

493
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: weird as shit. Bro with the camera, weirdo over there?

494
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: What do you want us to do? What are we doing?

495
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: Work?

496
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: We don't know what to do? This is weird.

497
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: Well, that's why these women have said that they felt

498
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: like they were there to live out his fantasy. I

499
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: from sitting there every day, you know, that's what the

500
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: defense has been doing. Is anyone who worked for him,

501
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: it was didn't you do great things for your career?

502
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: And how do you feel about him today? And with

503
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: the exes, you know, how do you feel about him today?

504
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: No one on the stand, not even Cassie, said I

505
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: hate his guts, not one person. What did she say?

506
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: She said something to the effects of God, I wish

507
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: I had the tramps in front of me, but something

508
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: to the effect of I don't hate him, It's just

509
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: not in me. And it was very powerful because she

510
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: was basically showing I don't have this is I'm I'm rehashing,

511
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, her testimony in summarizing she was basically trying

512
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: to make the point I don't have Zandata. This is

513
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: not out of site, but I'm here to do what's

514
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: right and what happened to me is not okay. And

515
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: remember when she was asked why she was there, she

516
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: said it was to right wrong. Because even though she

517
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: is testifying that she was victimized, she also.

518
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: Feels participated in criminal behavior. She even said it on

519
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the stand. I didn't know what's criminal when I was

520
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: doing and then they tried stopping.

521
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: Her exactly exactly.

522
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: Wasn't aware that every sh there was a point where

523
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: she started realizing what was criminal and what wasn't. That's

524
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: what troubled me with Jane's testimony so much is girl,

525
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: If you were confused when it was made black and

526
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: white and writing in an lawsuit, you should have unconfused yourself.

527
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: And then when you actually saw the video on CNN,

528
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: you really should have unconfused yourself. You shouldn't have been

529
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: looking at takes of his apology videos. If you notice that,

530
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: did you also trip out on that? Because I was

531
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: thinking of you in that moment, like you were sitting

532
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: there knowing what you had in your hands and what

533
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: was about to be shown to the world, while another

534
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: girl was sitting there combing through his apology videos trying

535
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: to figure out which one seems most since she even

536
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: says that he showed me a video and I felt

537
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: he didn't seem sincere in it, a different one was posted.

538
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: I will tell you ad for me has been pretty wild,

539
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: sitting in court and putting the pieces together, because there's

540
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: a lot that even I didn't know, which is finding

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: out you know how shown Combs found out about that?

542
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: You know, of course, what did they say?

543
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: How did he find out? I didn't know that part hit?

544
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: So he was in bed with Jane in his home

545
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: in Miami and one of his sons walked in the

546
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: room and said, something has happened, And that's how he

547
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: found out that it had aired. Now what's interesting from

548
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: my standpoint.

549
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: Is, of course you know this, that's crazy journalism on

550
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: your part, because normally things are so messy. Everybody knows

551
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: something that's wild. How did you do that?

552
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Can? I tell you? This is what was so interesting

553
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: to me, as all these pieces are falling into place,

554
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of the puzzle is being stilled out

555
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: for the pieces that I did not know. Of course,

556
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: I did my beyond due diligence, of course, a comment

557
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: from his team when you saw a report it said

558
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: that we had made numerous attempts. But of course I

559
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: was not reaching out directly to Shaun Holmes, Like, that's

560
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: not what you do. He has representatives that he pays

561
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: a lot of money to speak for these things, And.

562
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: How do you learn what those representatives ares? They don't

563
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: Like I always wonder, how do people know who my

564
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: reds are? Is? They're like a www dot com? This

565
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: is who reps this person? How do you know that?

566
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: So there's a few things. So yes there is, but

567
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: that when you were in a scandal a crisis, you

568
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: often bring in crisis management. So like there is databases

569
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: that you can pay for to basically see who reps celebrities,

570
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: like who they are agents and publicists like all of

571
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: the news organizations you did you have to write KK

572
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: not for them. But I have made numerous attempts with

573
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: her for other things.

574
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Where's she hiding? Do we know?

575
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: We do not know? And I will have you been

576
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: in this country? So I had reached out to you.

577
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: Remember when she released that statement saying that you know

578
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: she's not involved in anything and all that I did?

579
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: When did she release that statement? I didn't realize that.

580
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: In March, so two months before the trial, she released

581
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: a statement that said, you know, all of the wrongdoing

582
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: that has been alledged beside my former boss, you know

583
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with egregious claims have been

584
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: made about me. Blah blah blah.

585
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Did she know that they had her phones by that

586
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: point when she made that statement, she did.

587
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: So I reached out to offer her an interview because

588
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: I would like to hear more of her. Sorry, And

589
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: I did make contact with her attorney, who said, who's there, attorney,

590
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: it's not I don't want to say here.

591
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Is it's somebody that I would know? Or is it?

592
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: Is it a big name?

593
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not like one of the like celebrity like

594
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: criminal attorney Okay, because if it was, I would say it.

595
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: But they said to me that until the criminal case

596
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 2: is resolved, in all of the civil cases are resolved,

597
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: that she can't speak. And throughout the trial, I've reached

598
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: out more and more and more a for an interview,

599
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: but B two C comment and now they have gone

600
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: radio set that line.

601
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's gonna be more indictments.

602
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm predicting it. Now there's going to be

603
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: more indictments and she's going to be hit with the

604
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: co conspirac Remember that.

605
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: When the first indictment came out, and there were numerous

606
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: superseding indictments. But the prosecutors had said, and I have

607
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: been reporting to the time that their investigation was still.

608
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Ongoing, and this whole battle of everyone not understanding if

609
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: it was just him or an enterprise. I saw an enterprise.

610
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: I saw other criminals, and I saw other crimes. I

611
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: don't understand why they aren't in this case.

612
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 2: And what do you mean by that? If there's anything

613
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: that you're comfortable elaborating, like, what do you mean by that?

614
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: I saw a whole bunch of people running things, not

615
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: just the people that are taken The people that have

616
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: taken a stand are very a very minor part or

617
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: a different era, right, There's a whole lot of people.

618
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of them on the stand. So

619
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: and to me, I said, to this person, you know,

620
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: and he would They were basically saying, like, you know,

621
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: kind of saying, this is just all girlfriends over here

622
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: in this trial area and not just slippery subject for

623
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: many reasons in many ways. And that's not just a

624
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: music industry thing. Every industry's got a sleezy boss. Every

625
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: industry's got somebody that doesn't know any better and wants

626
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: to advance. Like every job has forms of this going on.

627
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, we need I don't.

628
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that we can.

629
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: Look at this so wide and so systematically.

630
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: First of all, they make it okay, like.

631
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: No, no, and that's what I said. Well, I said, well,

632
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: if everybody has this and people are just paying more

633
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: attention because we're in the entertainment industry and people watch

634
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: us more and this is a huge megastar, then shouldn't

635
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: we make an example and show everybody else that this

636
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: is not allowed in the workplace. I shouldn't we be

637
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: shouldn't we then be really showing people? Because what are

638
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: we going to be showing them if we don't do

639
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you know how many people fly people in sex working

640
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: jobs across state lines for their satisfy faction, Like that's

641
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: a very scary thing that you're putting out there on

642
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: the line right now for a whole lot of fucking people.

643
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: And frankly, we need to nip it in the butt.

644
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: A lot of.

645
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: People are not safe because a lot of people in

646
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: these settings. Clearly, as you are learning, are inebriated. You

647
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: can't make good calls on other people lives, what alone, emotional, soul, spirit,

648
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: all the other things that we are not even discussing

649
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: right now. Cassie was from the rest of her life

650
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: trying to clear the emotional soul side of the that

651
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: what she had to testify she did. She may be

652
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: able to vocalize it ten something years after cleansing it

653
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: from your soul is life work. We're not even discussing

654
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: that prison sentence. Everybody in this industry understands some form

655
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: of identifying this person as a fucking criminal. Everybody's disunderstanding

656
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: it from different lenses, depending on what decades you were in,

657
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: depending on who's around you, who you knew, what bodyguards

658
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: and assistance were in place at different times. I didn't

659
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: know Kk, but I sure it's fuck knew Capricorn, and

660
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: I knew friend even better. But she was found dead

661
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: on her couch after she sued Ditty for millions.

662
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: Well, so here's what I keep telling everyone, because I'm

663
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: asked about this case. Everyone, even just like my friends

664
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: and family asked me, and I tell them what Ditty

665
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: has been accused of. Is this thick you know, like

666
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm putting.

667
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: My arms up like and Elizabeth. By the way, that's

668
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: not even big compared to what the industry is discussing, right,

669
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: very minor. That's that little tiny piece of the pie.

670
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: That's how crazy it.

671
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: Is for me to watch this. I'm sure I'm going ahead,

672
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: I keep going. So you know, the accusations against Big

673
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: all what she denies, by the way, but the accusations

674
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: against him could like fill up you know, every room

675
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: that you're in, right, But this case is miniscule. It's

676
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: this big. It's centered around three different women. To hate

677
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: that former girlfriends, I hate that with so many reasons.

678
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: Why because off to the limitation.

679
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: So it's insane to me, to me and from my

680
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: own degrees of my own story, I have things that

681
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: I still don't have answers to right. So I in

682
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: some way savee or form even though I report on

683
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: this trial, even though I'm somebody that everybody talks about

684
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: in regards this trial, makes up fake headlinds about whatever

685
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: the fuck they're going to do to me they do, right,

686
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: But I'm also a human in this. I have had

687
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: feelings for everybody across the board. I am somebody who

688
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: had an entire career built by this man.

689
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: That they lose his.

690
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: Entire life freedom.

691
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't take that not seriously.

692
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would offer a hand to

693
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: save him, But I don't have any particular feeling that

694
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: I want him to go down. I want the prosecutors

695
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: to prove their case. And I'm a bit underwhelmed in

696
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: this moment.

697
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Being in the room is so different, and it's hard

698
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: to explain that to me. You can't explain. But the

699
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: thing is is there's a lot of grey area. Nothing

700
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: is black and white. You know all the reasons that

701
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: we just spoke about with Jane for particular. You know,

702
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: you could see that a lot of these jurors are

703
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: gonna not believe some of these women, right, there's a

704
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: lot of loopholes here. However, when you have sat in

705
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: the courtroom for two months and you have heard these

706
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: patterns of alleged.

707
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: Behavior, isn't it crazy that proving consent takes this much.

708
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: You can't just be one person that says, hey, I

709
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: didn't consent to that. Imagine as one woman. You know

710
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: that we talk about how victims are so scared to

711
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: come forward.

712
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: Yet eighty plus have eighty plus.

713
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: Against the biggest fucking star there is in the goddamn world.

714
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: Men, ambles, men and women.

715
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, I even said this to a

716
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: man that's very powerful today, I would never in my

717
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: life suit this man. And I am out here with

718
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: my voice. I use it all the time. I was

719
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: fired on National TV because I was using it. I

720
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: was blacklisted, and I still used my mouthpiece. I'm somebody

721
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: that people consider have balls in this specific setting, definitely,

722
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: I would never go after him in any type of

723
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: legal way unless I had video from A to Z,

724
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: so I could just leave all bystanders and opinions of

725
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: everything aside and be able to prove it from A

726
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: to Z. Okay, But there are eighty people who aren't

727
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: even necessarily seen as the girl with balls like me,

728
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: that have come forward and alleged horrifying things, which has

729
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: happened to no other mega celebrity in my lifetime that

730
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: I have seen. It can't even be brought in. And

731
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: yet we're gonna come down to a jury of people.

732
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna come down to knowing that they're gonna go

733
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: into a room and decide whether they believe exactly in

734
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: the consent, because this thing is going to come down

735
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: to consent.

736
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: That's all I hear.

737
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Anyone saying, why did the girls come back and ask

738
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: for jobs after death? Is a consent piece all anyone

739
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: con continues to talk about it.

740
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: No one is.

741
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: Nobody's asking whether the baby oil is real. Nobody's asking

742
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: if they ask for guys World. Nobody's even asking if

743
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: the stripper heel part is real. Nobody's asked. It's just

744
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: did they want did they all want this? Or did

745
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: they not? And in writing you can see everybody say

746
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: they don't want it, they feel used, they feel this

747
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: and there, And in writing they can see them saying,

748
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: I want to be sexy for you tonight, daddy. You

749
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: can see both in writing that. What's crazy to me

750
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: is we are not moving the mark forward for any

751
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: victim in this world to feel comfortable on their own

752
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: merit to say I did not ask for this, I

753
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: did not want this this one time. I wanted it

754
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: twenty times, but this one time. Are these three times

755
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I was raped or I was violated, or I didn't

756
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: want this? It doesn't matter if you did it twenty

757
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: billion times before, if one time you did not want it.

758
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: That is rape, that is violation, and that is what

759
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: is so hard for juris to understand. But with that

760
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: being said, that that feeling of like believing someone on

761
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: their merit and do you know how difficult it is

762
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: to go against this human.

763
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: Remember the justice system, even if it should be and

764
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: it is designed to be, it's not about the truth.

765
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: It's about what twelve people believe.

766
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Correct, It's a theater. I literally said on the first

767
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: day of trial something on Twitter while it had to

768
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: go back and bookmark it, like let's see the theater begin,

769
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: Like this is it. This is going to be a

770
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: masterclass in theater. But beyond all of this, these charges

771
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: are so very big. There are so many of them,

772
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: so many of them that weren't even brought into this case.

773
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: But this case is the one not to miss on.

774
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: That's where the feeling of a little dissatisfaction with the

775
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: prosecution's case. And by the way, I don't even know

776
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: that they feel satisfied because they had.

777
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: A lot of things blow up on them during jury selection.

778
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: It's not a slam dunk.

779
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: And part of the reason for that, and it should

780
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: have been.

781
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: And this is what I was going to say is

782
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: there are severe limitations that are put on prosecutors and

783
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: the defense, But this is the prosecutor's case to prove

784
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: there are serious limitations for the scope of what they

785
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: can do and what they can't do. And the scope

786
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: of this case is so limited, even though allegations spanning

787
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: twenty years.

788
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: It's like you watch our president do an amazing speech.

789
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: They've written their own speech. Both sides have written their

790
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: own speech, and they're trying to fight to get as

791
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: many words of their speech in before the time runs out.

792
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: That's exactly right for both.

793
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: So what's so sad about all of this is is

794
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: there were no limitations on any of this behavior. When

795
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: it's tried, there's tons.

796
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: Of course, that's how it is.

797
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: But this should have been going on since the nineties.

798
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: I know people that were twirling and twirling in the

799
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: freak oftin the nineties. So it took this long for

800
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: us to get here, and now we still have the

801
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: world centered on is anyone a hoe?

802
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: What chaming?

803
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: Hasn't this all just industry fodder? Everybody wanted it entertainment

804
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: as usual. We are still and we've never seen anything

805
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: like this. The magnitude of what this is. This is

806
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: a nine point seven earthquake happening in front of us.

807
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: We've got a few of them. By the way, I'm

808
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: sure you're real busy over there. We're at war. Ice

809
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: is down the street, and we got Diddy coming through.

810
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: It's there are earthquakes, shifting, big shifting things occurring. Is

811
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 1: the way that this time feels give us a bad

812
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: outcome because we're normalizing so much chaos that the jury

813
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: will just do a little bit more of that when

814
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: they decide on this, because you know, damn well, when

815
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: you go look back at history, let's just bring up

816
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: a case like oj Simpson.

817
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: It's documented on Netflix.

818
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: Now by the lawyers themselves of how much tomfoolery they played,

819
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: how much scripting and narratives and bullshit they came up with,

820
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: and how they truly get depended on a sign of

821
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: the times to get them through. The sign of the

822
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: times right now is we are at war in.

823
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: The Middle East.

824
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: Ice is down the block, detaining people that you don't

825
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: even really dislike or have any issue with it, and

826
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: we are everybody's wondering if they're going to have their

827
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: job any year. I think because technology is moving so fast.

828
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm watching a real person

829
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: when I watch people online anymore. Look is it's getting scary.

830
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: It is a crazy time. And you're absolutely right that

831
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: all of these trials, it depends on the world and

832
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: which we're living so culturally, politically, socially, how things are different.

833
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean, when I covered the first Weinstein case in

834
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, it was a completely different time of the world.

835
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: But I want to leave you with something that resonued

836
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: with me. I recently didn't.

837
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Interview with Toronto Burke, who is the founder of the

838
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: Me Too movement, and her life work has been advocating

839
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: for survivors of sexual violence. And I was talking to

840
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: her about this case, about the Ditty case, and she

841
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: said to me, it is such a whim that he

842
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: is even in a courtroom. And where I'm about to say,

843
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: I thought was so poignant of her. She said, the

844
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: criminal justice system has never been set up for vistims

845
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: and we should not put all of our eggs in

846
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: that basket, because if you do, you will just be disappointed. Oh.

847
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: I thought that hearing that from her and hearing her perspective.

848
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be the perspective. I refuse it, I

849
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: rebuke it. We did not go through I I will

850
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: just speak for me as a woman that has been

851
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: in the music industry for twenty some years.

852
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: My life's work.

853
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: Will not go in things. We have to do better.

854
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: As a system. We had to hold ourselves accountable and

855
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: be responsible for our be behavior, for the behavior that

856
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: we witness. Call the cops, tell on people. Normalize using

857
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: the justice system, more normalize believing in it. That way,

858
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: when you sit on a jury, you will hold yourself

859
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: to a higher standard because people that are sitting on

860
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: there right now are holding a whole lot in their hands,

861
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: and it's so much bigger than Ditty or any Jane do.

862
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: And I will tell you from my coverage of trials

863
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: like these, I have learned, of course, the vertist it's

864
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: not just symbolic, but it's quite literally put someone behind

865
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: bars or not. So it is. I don't want what

866
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: I'm saying to be taken out of contact, but it's

867
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: not important. Of course the vertict is important. But what

868
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: I have learned from my coverage is it's not just

869
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: the vertist, it's also how these trials and the awareness

870
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 2: of it and the discussions and the discussion we're having

871
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: now how it impacts society and how it impacts pulls.

872
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: The discussion if it gets off is so damaging. I

873
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: don't know that I'd want to stay in the fight. Liz, Okay,

874
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, how are you going to

875
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: feel as the journalist that first had their hands.

876
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: On watching.

877
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: Him dropkick Cassie, and you knew what the impact it

878
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: would have that you had in your hands and you

879
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: saw it before it was put on CNN. I think

880
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: the work that we have done speaks for itself. And

881
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: I think again, verdicts are so important, and verdicts are

882
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: symbolic of what people think are is right or wrong.

883
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: But for Chogkoms, there's no going back. Domestic violence is

884
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: absolutely unaccessible and what we saw in that video was

885
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: horrific on every which cellular levels, and even his defense

886
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: said that that is their whole defense, is that what

887
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: he's done is indefensible. However, he's not guilty of these

888
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: charges because they knew there's no way around it. So

889
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: there's two ways to think of it. There's a court

890
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: of law and there's a court of public opinion. And

891
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: Cassie back in twenty sixteen when she was violently beaten

892
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: in that hallway. Well, guess what, the people at the

893
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: hotel didn't do anything. They were paid off. The police

894
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: did not do anything. So you have these different systems

895
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: people that are supposed to help when bad things happen.

896
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I literally shout hotels at on my Instagram now

897
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: that weren't involved in any of the transcripts. Every time

898
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: I learned a new hotel's name, I was heartbroken because

899
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: I will never stay there, right.

900
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: But to make answer your question, you have these different

901
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: systems that are supposed to protect us all in society.

902
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: If something bad happens, you call the police. They're supposed

903
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: to help you. If something that's rights in a hotel,

904
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: they're supposed to do something. And what I've learned is

905
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: the power of journalism and the power of people just

906
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: using their voice and being truth tellers is so impactful

907
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: because as you're saying that that tape is the most

908
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,479
Speaker 2: important piece of evidence. By the way, the defense said

909
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: that too. They were working very hard to get it

910
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: out of the case. We'll get how the prosecution wouldn't

911
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: have that tape if it were not for our team's

912
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: work at CNN, and that showed to me the power

913
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: of journalism and again the power of people using their voice.

914
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: So that is what I pray to.

915
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: God, that the exclamation point doesn't stop at you, but exclamation.

916
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: Point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I will also say, the

917
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: final point I want to make is this case, no

918
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: matter what happens, has put such a spotlight on domestic

919
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: violence and violence against women, which one in four women

920
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: in America experienced some form of intimate violence, intimate partner

921
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: violence throughout their life. And I know that from my reporting,

922
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: and I also know for my reporting that after we

923
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: broke the Cassie Taste and then after Cassie posted about

924
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: it on her Instagram, number repeated numbers were skyrocketing at Rain,

925
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: which is the rape potline, and it's a domestic violence potline,

926
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: So it showed there is real life impact and this

927
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: is not in this case. This is a celebrity issue.

928
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: It's Sean Combs and Cassie, but it's not a celebrity issue.

929
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: This is a systemic problem around the world and this

930
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: case has really put a spotlight on that. And that's why,

931
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: regardless of the verdict, and again I'm not trying to

932
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: discount the verdict. It's incredibly important for everyone involved in

933
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: this style on both sides, and for people watching and.

934
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: Eight eighty civil eighty plus civil suits that are well.

935
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: That's the other thing too, is what I will be

936
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: watching with my reporting is what happens in this vertice

937
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: will greatly impact all the civil accusers. We will either

938
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: see suits being pursuit or we will see suits being withdrawn.

939
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: For some reason, I don't know what life looks like

940
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: at the end of this one, and I should mm hmm,

941
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: But somehow this great week changes so much m m.

942
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: Maybe because my whole entire life has been in the

943
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: music industry. We're either going to like allow this stuff

944
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: or we aren't right and that's the trip and not

945
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: as an Actually I don't see anyone else getting tried

946
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna bring this back up in my lifetime.

947
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: It's like watching a nominee for as for.

948
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: The female president go. It's like, we're not gonna probably

949
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: get another one in my lifetime.

950
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: Like this sucks.

951
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you know, it's like this is a big one.

952
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know who's bigger it's coming next. This is

953
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: pretty big. Everyone should be paying attention. Thank you, Lis,

954
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: thank you,