1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Hey, yea yea he sell Wilson Rap right Off and 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: me and my partner beat Our Miller. And you know 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: we got the premiere website out there, rap raid dot Com. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: And now I'm about to take over the podcast game. 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: We want to sit down with the coaches, most important voices. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Give you that news and information, that opinion, the only 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: opinion that matters. Man. Here Rap raid Off. Listen up 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: here we go, Yeah, rap right Off podcast and Sellia 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Wilson Miller beat I back at it again. We won't stop, man, can't. 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: We can't rest on our loans because I'm a little sleepy. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: You've been traveling. I'm fresh from DC, man, but I 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: always come in because I want to make more history, Man, 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: more podcast history, of course, Man, because we believe in greatness. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: Beat out. You know about greatness? Of course? What do 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: you think of when you hear worth Greatness? Think about 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: the rap Radar podcast. 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You always take a football Penn you 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: think more about football than anything. But Patrick Chambers put 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: a chase to that. Yeah, damn sure did. He's making 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: it happen. And can't forget Georgia Bulldogs coach Mark Fox. 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: He actually gave his opinion about some advice he got 30 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: from Bill Parselves to great Bill Parselves on how to 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: lead the team. Can't go You know what his message 32 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: was done, give your play as a chance to win. 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Sounds like us at CBS come up with a plan. 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: They give us a chance to win it. Give us 35 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: these mics and the studio. Man, we try to make 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: things happen. Man, make sure you check out the Delta 37 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: Airlines CBS Local Guide in Greatness series. That's the place 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: to be Man exclusive video series presented by Delta Airlines 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Officer insight for some of the most successful n C 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: Double A college basketball coaches. So you just go to 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: the website. Man got in greatness dot com and coach 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: k is up there too, right yeah, crazy as coach. 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: A little trouple right now. Guy who won't speak of 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: that though, but he is a great leader man, So 45 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: get some tips about leadership man and go to gud 46 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: in greatness dot com. Ye speaking of greatness man, Yo, Nori, Man, 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: this guy, this guy man before we get the flat 48 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: with zombies also was incredible, but noriego, we gotta get 49 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: this guy props again. Yeah, a little maker because last 50 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: time he was a little tight because he walked in 51 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: the studio and he already had trash the studio with 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: his own podcast. We get him a little bit of props. 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: But Yo, his episode still top ten, people still talking 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: about still talking about it. It went viral, was on TMZE. 55 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: It forced Michael Jordan's camp to come up with some response. 56 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: Jordan's respond, but then nor came back with the pictures 57 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: like you were there. He was there, baby, He did 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: his research and no you don't know again Nor. He 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: says he's the best interview in hip hop, and we've 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: had a lot of great interviews. Man esco Leo, Cohen, 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: l a Re, Swizz beats, you name it, but didn't 62 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: Nori take the belt. I think he did. That's what 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: we got on ESPN. I got cut from Varsity. That 64 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeo, Man shout the Nori and his Drink 65 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: Champs podcast taking off. Man, he cracked. He cracked the 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: top five over podcast right out the gate. What are 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: you nodding? That course? And I don't like that, man, 68 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: But I'm too happy. Man, that's my label. Man, I'm 69 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: happy for him a little bit. I texted him, actually 70 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: like you number five. He's like, what does that mean? 71 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: We're just doing good, you know. He says wonderful things 72 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: about us. We have a great relationship. Man. It's gonna 73 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: get a little competitive, but it's a label made. It's 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: all a good suit to that guy. Man. Also, don't 75 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: sleep on that flat with Zombies interview we did, Man, 76 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: that was I said, you enjoyed talking to him. I 77 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: saw you tweet that out. Yeah, because I had a 78 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: misconception about them going into it. I was really excited 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: about you know, because after listening to the music and 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: getting to know them a little bit, I felt like 81 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: we could have had another two hour episode. So I 82 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: was really excited and I liked them. I think I 83 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: think that car fans appreciate it to man, Yeah, when 84 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I like the juxtaposition of like, you know, obviously no 85 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: he's the o G. But you know again, these flab 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: a zombie dudes like tremendous independent success. I don't think 87 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: they're getting to just due. Like the album is good, 88 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: it's selling, it's moving units. I think there was on 89 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: tour right now, turing it down. They're the kind of 90 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: act that's blurring the lines between the mainstream and the underground. 91 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: You know, still kind of blurry, but they definitely have 92 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: a place in the game. You gotta respect that, whether 93 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: they like the music or not. I think I place 94 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: in the game might be on top. Man this podcast 95 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: doing numbers. Man, make sure you go to iTunes, man subscribe, 96 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: rate and review the rap. Rate our podcast. I think 97 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: we got someone new. Comments that have to look at him, 98 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, no, he shook some things up. What they're saying, 99 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: what they saying saying. People tweet all the times like 100 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: ken't we really read my comment on the podcast, Like yeah, 101 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: we got Equal Opportunity podcast. Okay, this is mental stimulant. Okay, 102 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: there you go. Five stars. This podcast hits that perfect 103 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: spot between Polish journalistic journalistic professionalism and real world music 104 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: fan tone. It's my favorite fine in the last six month. 105 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: It's easily I would love for you guys, And if 106 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: you kill him Mike. Mike comes up a lot. Not 107 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: only is he a top seven rapper, Top seven, the 108 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: top seven now man killing my eight on my list 109 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: Top seven. I guess it's here. He's exciety, so we 110 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: won't take too long. Actually, if Mr Vascots can, you 111 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: have to get iententate our guests and bring him in 112 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: exactly five minutes, yeah, no, seven minutes, No, five minutes, 113 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: five minutes, yeah, yeah, five minutes bring him in because 114 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: we do it live. Uh. Top seven rapper, but he 115 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: speaks to intelligence and seven year. It's immediately credible. Probably 116 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: have a two series podcast from all the sound you grab, 117 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: keep it up. You are appreciate it, so you want 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: to kill him Mike. Okay, soone's his great pot interesting 119 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: selection to guess A lot of now is required from listening. 120 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Another person says the show is dope, great artists, great 121 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: inside into what the artists are keeping artists are doing, 122 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: so keep it going. Somebody said, yo on God, the 123 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: Nori FPP could have been two hours longer, great way 124 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: to easy to drink Champs and the MJ story is 125 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: pure gold. That's a documentary. Keep the ogs coming. We 126 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: got coming on the show. Kareem biggs Burke, who they 127 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: said it would never happen, biggest in the building. He's 128 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: already yet this is his third interview ever. I'm so scared, man, 129 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: this might be twenty seven minutes. I said thirty minutes long, 130 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: seven three hours. It's a man A few words. Man, 131 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: he's you know, co founder Rockefeller Records, storied label. But 132 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: you know they said a dynasty and they actually built 133 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: a dynasty. Man, these fucking guys, man, Sean jay Z 134 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: caught a name in Dash biggs Burg Kareem Biggsburg. Man. 135 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: We had a secret meeting with him early to talk 136 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: about some things. Many thing he wants to talk about 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: his launch of his clothing line of fourth of November. 138 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: But you know, hopefully we could ask him some mold stuff, man, 139 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: some classic Rockefeller stories, man, some clarity on some things. 140 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: Could we get some moment of clarity. There's gonna be 141 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of that. Hopefully we can teue to chilenge ourselves. Man. 142 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Guessing man, also want to 143 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: shout learn Vest. You know about learn Vest. Yes, I do, 144 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: online financial advice company focused on empowering people nationwide to 145 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: make smart decisions with their money. That's important, man. 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I 164 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: can't believe you feel I can't alums o. Man, it's 165 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: Man Hipps older brother right. We rap back with Digs 166 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: Figs Rap Rate of Podcast. Welcome to Play a new 167 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities, talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, 168 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: and more. Play it at play dot in Hey, Yes, Hey, 169 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: Sully Wilson from Rap Right Off and me and my 170 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: partner beat our miller Man with the only opinion that 171 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: matters Man here Rap right Off. He said Bags. He said, Wow, 172 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: you weren't lying. He found your previous interview to bags. 173 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't me, man, I'm jealous, man, it was Shahim. 174 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: It was Shahim. When Shahima right under a fake name? 175 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: What was the name be dot Kawan want remember shot 176 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: shot was MTV. He just came to my office something 177 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: that exactly, because I remember he was righting he was. 178 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean not to blow him up me. He's not 179 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: there anymore. But MTV was mad because he would do 180 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: all this freelance hip hop ship so that he came 181 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: up with with a suiting them. Yeah he's happy with 182 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: a buster. Yes, sir, Pigs is Diesel too, for the 183 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: kids that don't know at home mans oh Man for November, say, 184 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: if you started off on a great foot man, look 185 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: at these look at these ads, baby, there you go. 186 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: Appreciate you too, some things that everybody gets. Biggs. I 187 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: remember hearing the hard stories about how like you know, 188 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: at the beginning, like what more so you here had 189 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: in necessity? Like you guys obviously you damon j were 190 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: liked ahead with things like fashion right, and we went 191 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: to meet companies like Iceberg and they weren't treating the 192 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: culture with the proper respect. So did a lot of 193 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: these clothing aspirations just really come from that adversity? Like 194 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: how did that start? You know? Hall Hallo. Guy always 195 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: wanted to be fresh, you know what I'm saying, always 196 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: staying fresh. But it was funny because actually I started 197 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: wearing Iceberg, I think in ninety four, so you know 198 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: what I mean. Jay and Dame and a couple other 199 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: guys got on it probably about ninety five, and we 200 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: went to the first Tyson fight when he just came home. 201 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: He just came home from jail to fight McNeely. And 202 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: that's actually where the song can I Live came from? 203 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: You know, when he said that the Tyson fight the 204 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: same night, same fight, and uh, and that's where Emery 205 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: actually got his name, Vegas during that Vega Veggas Jones 206 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: during that same trip says that line, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 207 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: but I'm saying he talked about can I live? Um 208 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: uh you know at the tables. Uh, I forgot the line, 209 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking about Vegas Jones. But that's where, 210 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, the line started getting a lot of notoriety 211 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: at that time. And then Jay Will put in the 212 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: songs after that, and then what wasn't when you met 213 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: you just felt this was was it? Really? You felt 214 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: real disrespect from the Iceberg type people that didn't because 215 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: we went there to try to get some product to 216 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: putt in the video and they turned us down. So 217 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: they was like, now we're not giving you anything. And 218 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: then that kind of led, you know, for us to 219 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: try to do rocketwear on our own. And then I 220 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: remember here about you used to have some machines and 221 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: he kind of didn't even know what, you know, giving 222 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: out T shirts one arm longer than the other. It 223 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: was crazy in the office back then, Man, it was crazy. 224 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: How did you get it to how did you start 225 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: to feel like you guys got to figure out how 226 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: to do it, like how to really close. Well that's 227 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: when they partnered with the Russians with alex and Norton, 228 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: and they had woolwear and a couple of other lines 229 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: going on. So, um, Danny Schlessinger was the head of 230 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: sales there at the time, and um, a girl named 231 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: Shanny I think, was doing merchandise. And so when they 232 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: got with a company that had a little more no 233 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: how and then we was able to give him the 234 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: direction of what we wanted to close to look like, 235 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: it made a lot more sense because you had division. Yeah, exactly, 236 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: so we know what the kids were wearing because we were, 237 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, we were you know, at that time, the consumer. 238 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: And then it took off so fast though, because when 239 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: you shot by that like that was such a huge success. 240 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Off the gate definitely was shocked by that, you know, 241 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: we know. But way before this is probably when Dame 242 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: first talked to me about doing Rockefeller Records. You know, 243 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: we talked about clothes, uh, liquor, uh, you know, the 244 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: music and actually the only thing we probably didn't do 245 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: was the amusement park. We talked about that too. I 246 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: ain't had a lot of Yeah, Dame had a lot 247 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: of ideas at that time, so everything that we were doing, 248 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: it was actually something that we talked about maybe that 249 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: was already five yeah, prior to that. So that that 250 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: line and Jay says, like eighty mill that was a 251 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: real Yeah, that was a real man eighteen months. Yeah, 252 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: line just really took off. You know. It wasn't a 253 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: lot of urban brands at that time, so you had 254 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: probably called can I and uh um fool ball who 255 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: was you know, but that that they were fading out 256 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: at the time, So fat was probably the only other 257 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: thing that was kind of taken off, So was right 258 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, but you must have felt empowered because 259 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: I remember going from a point where it's like, Okay, 260 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: met Dame at the office, No, met Damon at the 261 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: clothing spot, you know what I mean, like to really 262 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: be making your money like outside of me, to be 263 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: so relying on the record companies, and I know at times, 264 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, things got a little tense with def Jam 265 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: at the time. So what would it like to get 266 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: feel so empowered now that she was getting all this 267 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: income through another avenue. Well, we actually felt in power 268 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: were going into the game, you know, so we always 269 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, being that we were street guys and you 270 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: know coming up how we did We never, you know, 271 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: at that time, really had any respect for anybody. We 272 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: always thought we were better than everybody coming into the game. 273 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: So it wasn't you know, we always felt empower from 274 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: the beginning, whether we had something or nothing relatively speaking 275 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: of what other guys were doing, and you know, in 276 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: the music or the clothing business. So we just always 277 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: had that confidence. So you know, and at that time, 278 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: when the clothing took off, you know, Dame kind of 279 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: went over there and started to pay more attention than that. 280 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: And that's what the time probably I started to uh 281 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: be more hands on in the music business. So how 282 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: did the fourth of November come about? Um? It was 283 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: a childhood friend of mine. Uh, right, do we spoke? 284 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: And um I went to talk to him one day 285 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: actually about some music. Uh. He had text me and 286 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: said he wanted to talk to me, and I asked 287 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: him what he's doing in the clothing business, and he 288 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: began to tell me about this, um, you know, something 289 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: he was working on. And how was this poor family 290 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: out of Ecuador that met that was uh, that's a 291 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: mother and father and how they started um, same thing 292 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: with some of machines, and they had kids and they 293 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: always had aspirations for their kids to kind of be 294 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: in a clothing business. And they grew up and the 295 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: parents actually met on the street called Fourth in November, 296 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: so in Ecuador, so it was actually his address. So 297 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: he was telling me there was like a love story 298 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: that created art and design that came to be Fourth 299 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: in November. So he was telling me about all this 300 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: product that they had and he wanted to partner with me. 301 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: So we actually spoke about that the week before Fourth 302 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: in November and started and started last year. Yeah, yeah, 303 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: last year, and then started the company on the fourth 304 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: of November because we were saying, you popped up. We 305 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: didn't see you till January, like you with the event, 306 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: but you had got out of your situation from you 307 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: actually been out of jail in May May. Yeah, and 308 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: you decided to keep a low profile the oh yeah, 309 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: so you know I had six months anyway, you gotta 310 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: be on halfway house home confinement. So I had to 311 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: do that and get you know, and you know, once 312 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: I started the music, I mean the clothing. Uh, we 313 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: had an idea to kind of do these events and 314 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: that's when I kind of popped up and guy started. 315 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I just came home, but I had been home probably 316 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: seven months probably, So why the pelican with the logo, 317 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: and the pelican is kind of that's what Ecuador is 318 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: kind of known for, like the near the Galapagos Island, 319 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: so you know, there's a lot of different species out there, 320 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: but the pelican is what everybody known for. So you 321 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: go out there and that's like the main thing. You'll 322 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: see it on a T shirt. So they kind of 323 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: wanted to pay homage of that too. Back to the 324 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: you know over there from my mom is half I 325 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: don't even know any of this. Yeah I could Greek 326 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: and black. It was the line available now or Yeah, 327 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: we actually, uh, they had a situation, so we actually 328 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: partnered with foot Action and we got in their top 329 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: thirty stores. So we're actually in the windows right now 330 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: in the top thirty stores around the country. Yeah, and 331 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: then we're going into May season June, and we opening 332 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: up distribution. Now. It's funny because people just really took 333 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: to the line. So it's selling out online. So people 334 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: going to our website and it's like out of stock, 335 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: out of stock because we can't keep the product fast enough. 336 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Now we got to do reorders, but you know that 337 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: takes sixty to ninety days. But I didn't know that 338 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: it was gonna be you know, and people may not 339 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: even know you're affiliated with it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, So 340 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: they just kind of, you know, they like the quality 341 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: of the product, which was good. So now through these events, 342 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: because I had the idea to kind of do like UM, 343 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: it's like art Bossel and fashion fuse together. So we 344 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: have these events where we have artists come paint um 345 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: on the on the jeans or the jackets, so they 346 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: used that as a medium, and then they also showed 347 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: their pieces, and then we also do a build out 348 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: of what the clothing line actually looks like. So it's 349 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: like this taste mixer event that we're going state to 350 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: state UM around the country. So we did New York 351 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: already where they did the denim jeans, and then we 352 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: did Uh. We just came from Atlanta where they did 353 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: the denim jackets, and we're going to l A next 354 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: where we're doing the denim shirts, and then we'll be 355 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: back here in June where I'm planning to do fourth 356 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: in November. Presents reasonable doubts twenty year anniversary. But it's 357 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: not an athletic line because you said foot action, right, yeah, 358 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: you know, so foot Locker is more known for their 359 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: athletic line. Foot foot Action is now trying to move 360 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: to boutiques. So actually the price point where we in, 361 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: they didn't have that customer, so they wanted to partner 362 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: with us to try to bring in a new customer 363 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: into their you know, into their retail shops. Cool in 364 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: the Atlanta event you said that was recently Atlanta was yeah, 365 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: that's what I said, and that's why I was like, 366 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: I grabbed them. I was like, yeah, I was like, 367 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: come on, we gotta take a picture, you know. You know, 368 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, that's the first time I met her. So 369 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: I got to meet him. I'm at Sleepy Brown. You 370 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: know a lot of guys that you know, respected in 371 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: the game, so it was cool. He was there too. 372 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of respect, we're seeing a lot of images of 373 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: you and every like talk about that. Yeah, man, I mean, 374 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: Emery is my guy. So you know, like I said 375 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: back in you know, in Vegas and ninety five, uh, 376 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, we became really cool. You know, he would 377 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: come up here a lot to see j and we 378 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: would go shopping a lot down and soho. So you know, 379 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: we go down there and Emory want to spend five 380 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: six thousand dollars every week on close. So just funny 381 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: that now he's like the fashion specialist right now. Um, 382 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: you know, with with with rock Nation and also you 383 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: know he's controlling that brand and also he works with 384 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: New Era and he works with Puma adda. Like Emory 385 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: is like all over the place. He actually has his 386 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: own Puma sneaker that's coming out. Yeah, so Emory Vegas 387 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: Jones bet on Yourself So that's coming out I think 388 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: on Black Friday. So I mean he's doing everything right now. Man. 389 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: I was really you know, I was really come out 390 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 1: of his situation definitely. So we you know, we aligned ourselves. 391 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: You know, we were always best friends, you know, and 392 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: we live close together, so we spend a lot of 393 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: time together. You know. I listened to him about what's 394 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: going on, you know, with with the clothing lines and 395 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: urban and his direction and stuff, and he listens to 396 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: me and we throw you know, we bounced stuff off 397 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: each other all the time. But um, I mean, he 398 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: has a lot going on right now, so you know, 399 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: and I'm real happy that I've seen a sneaker and 400 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: the sweat too that's coming out. It looks real hot too. Yeah. Yeah, 401 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: and it's a great designer. So what are your goals 402 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: for for novembers? Like I noticed obviously, like keeping a 403 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: little profiles, no celebrity endorsement, it's no, no, I didn't. 404 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: I didn't want to go that route like we did 405 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: in the past because a lot of times when people 406 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: fall out of love with the celebrity or the face 407 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: of the brand, and it affects the brand. So I 408 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: believed in equality, you know, something that we didn't have 409 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: in the beginning. Uh, you know, back then it was 410 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: always about the face and somebody endorsing it. So I 411 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: wanted everybody to kind of build a relationship with the 412 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: brand through these cool events. So you know early events, 413 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, five to ten o'clock, six to eleven something 414 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: like that. Guys go to the after party whatever. But 415 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: it's really about just fusing art and fashion and then 416 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: um having people coming and get a taste to fill 417 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: with what the clothes is. One of these wells maintain 418 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: great relationships, right, even though you don't do a lot 419 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: of media, you have a lot of great colleagues, and 420 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: we've known each other for a long time, like talk 421 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: about the points of that and like how like also 422 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: impacted people you've worked with are now in the business 423 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: and going on the great thing. Well, it probably was 424 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: easy because you know, by Dames yelling, everybody, everybody wants 425 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: to talk to somebody in the ROMP. So I'm always 426 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm always a guy to guy, like I'm gonna talk 427 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: to Biggs Man Biggs, you know, James on the side, 428 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, like you know, listen to the music, 429 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: Dames yelling, and I'm the guy that everybody could talk to. 430 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: So I maintained a lot of relationships. So that year 431 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: that definitely worked out. Is there any like um resistance 432 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: kind of getting into this field, because I remember you 433 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: said it a long time ago, like trying to break 434 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: into the liqu with Armadale, you didn't know necessarily the 435 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: ins and ounce This time around is a little bit 436 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: easier too. It is easier because you know, this is 437 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: something that I've done before. All the other businesses were 438 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: you know, we we kind of jumped in for the 439 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: first time. So having um some experience helped a lot, 440 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: especially with the team that I have so you know 441 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: my partners rather you know, I mean Danny who was 442 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: the head of sales and he broke other brands, you know, 443 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: like he was there from the beginning of Rocketway from 444 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: it was you know, from zero to three hundred and 445 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: fifty million. He uh, you know, he helped Bill Coogie, 446 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: helped um. You know, he was a part of truck Fit. 447 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: He was a part of l R G and like 448 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: someone and someone, and so was uh my other partner, 449 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: rydal who's also a childhood friend. I mean he knew 450 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: his dame before he knew before I knew him. He 451 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: grew up with Dame, knowing him since he was six 452 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: years old, so you know he's been in the business 453 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: and um did brands with them Goos and uh Little 454 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: Boots and you know, so I mean it's a great team. 455 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: And plus the head of production, uh you know, she 456 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: worked at Calvin Klein Um John Varvado's uh the designer 457 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: actually in turn for me at Rockefeller. Then he worked 458 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: at Rockaway and now he's a partner in this specific 459 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: this specific brand as well. It's full circle cultivating down yeah, 460 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: he said, growing up like I think obviously know you're 461 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: from Halem and you and Dame, you know, knew each 462 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: other for a while. Like how did you guys first connect? 463 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: Like how did you guys first become through the It 464 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: was a crew called the Best Out that my brother 465 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: was a part of, and then I became, you know, 466 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: a part of that. So I was actually the youngest 467 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: one in the crew. So all my friends are probably 468 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, two or three or four years older than 469 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: me and my brother. I was probably fourteen at the time, 470 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: and I met Dame one a hundred and forty street 471 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: um on my man block where you know, Dame spent 472 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: a lot of time, but a real close friend of 473 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: mine named Terrell, But that all came through my brother. 474 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: It was Dame, the young Dame. Like the way Damon's 475 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: now was he always high energy? Yeah, exactly he was. 476 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: He wasn't arguing in the officers, he was arguing on 477 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: the blocks. You have a lot of brothers though, right, Yeah, 478 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: I have have eight brothers. One of them, the one 479 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: specifically I was just talking about, he got killed. So 480 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: that was Bob That yeah, Baba lad that Jay talked 481 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: about h Lucifer. But yeah, I got a couple of 482 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: brothers in the in the music business to uh, hip hop, 483 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: which you know, some people it's the other shadow, right, 484 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: like the he shows his face too much neither, but yeah, 485 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: hip hop. He was the A and R eight rd 486 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: right H twelve or thirteen of J albums, did Beanie 487 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: Segull and a lot of other projects for us. He 488 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: did Little Kim in Atlantic, but he actually found Kanye. 489 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: He found just Blaze, uh no I D and you know, 490 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: and and build one of the biggest management companies, you know, 491 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: with hip hop seventy eight another exactly Yeah, did you 492 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: know hop had that in him like that he wanted 493 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: to be in the business like that or just you know. 494 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I've just seen uh he wrote 495 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: something the other day was I'm not sure if it was. 496 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: He was talking about the twenty if yearniversary, Oh yeah 497 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: for Dead Presidents, and he said, yeah, I remember my 498 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: brother Big picked me up. I picked him up from 499 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: a basketball game and he was like and I was 500 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: talking him, I'm like, yeah, I'm messing with this guy 501 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: named jay Z. I might do something the music. And 502 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: he couldn't believe it because he went when I dropped 503 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: him off, he went to his house and brought back 504 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: probably like ten tapes, you know, cassette tapes and it's 505 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: like here, listen to this, and he had all jay 506 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: Z recordings. But you said you were in press part 507 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: jay at first, right, No, I wasn't um in the 508 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: beginning when Dane was managing j J rapped fast and 509 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: the you know, the things that he talked about, I 510 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: couldn't really relate to. It was more you know, technical 511 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: and skillful, uh you know rapper at that time. But 512 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: it was at the battle with DMX that me and 513 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: my brother Bob really was like, Wow, this dude is 514 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: dope when he talked about money, dancing on the ceiling 515 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: and all that and that tat do you know? Yeah? 516 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: So when yeah, that that that battle was legendary. Yeah, 517 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: no footage bigs Man, Yeah, Big big El had the footage. 518 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because big Els from the Locking on Big 519 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: Girl had the footage. Yeah. Big El was the one 520 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: taping it. Yeah wow yeah, so that little good the 521 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: footage that we had in backstage, it was like a 522 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: little bit of it. Yeah, that came from big El. 523 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: Bigel was there taping it instead of balance big Els 524 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: out there taping himself. Amazing. That just blew my mind, right, 525 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: yea so so so. But before that though, like, so 526 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: then you start to believe. So what is that trans 527 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: like because Dave talked a lot about it, like, you know, 528 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: you cats are from Harlem, Brooklyn cats move a different way. 529 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: Like did you feel like you had to get to 530 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: know Jay first before he was fully committed? Like what 531 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: was the process of Like yeah, well, yeah, Dame introduced 532 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: us and he kind of gave us a little, you know, 533 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: a little background, and once we did it, it clicked automatically. 534 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't like a borrow thing at all to me 535 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: and Jay really, you know, we clicked. We hit it off, 536 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, and then all three of us we would 537 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: hang out and spend a lot of time with each other. 538 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: So at that time it was just supporting them on 539 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: whatever they were doing in the music. So this one, 540 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, before there was a single deal or anything, 541 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: and we would just go around shooting videos and they did. 542 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: I can't get with that. And then in my life time, 543 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, we flew down the same time as you know, 544 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: still at that time it wasn't any deal, so it 545 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: wasn't a single day until we got back. So you know, 546 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: I got you know, my family's house in St. Thomas 547 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Emory brought the whole island out of Champagne. He bought 548 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: every Chrystallan don peel in the island. So if you 549 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: see a few bottles of Moet in the videos, because 550 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: that's all they had left. Yeah. So you know, we're 551 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: just talking about that the other day, and you know, 552 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: we just had a great time. It was all about 553 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: the support even when we did um, the feeling it 554 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: uh um. I mean in my Lifetime remix, same things, 555 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: you know, just yeah, everybody just coming by, you know, 556 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: with two or three cases of Christown. We just come 557 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: and support the video. Wow. I heard a story about 558 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: the in my Lifetime video about the speed boats or 559 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: something like that that somebody had to connect the like, 560 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: oh yeah, well I'm from St. Times, so you know 561 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff came through me and that 562 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: was the past, big Yeah. So when did when did 563 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: this shifted? We're gonna make a reasonable doubt, like in 564 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: that that process of just you guys all together putting 565 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: an album together. That Yeah. So actually I was in 566 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: the same time as I was living there for for 567 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: a period of time and I had came back. They 568 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: had a hurricane down there, so I had to come back, 569 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: you know. So, uh, me and my girl came back, 570 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: and then Dame and Jay approached me and you know, 571 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: asked me if I wanted to be a part of 572 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, the company. You know, it wasn't just about 573 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: support no more. If I wanted to come in and 574 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: be a real partner. So we had put that together. Yeah, 575 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: and then the process of you know, j was ready 576 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: to make an album like the reason probably at that time, 577 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: I believe he had coming to age done and maybe 578 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: that was probably the only song that was probably the 579 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: oldest song on the album, so like Can't Knocked the Hustle. 580 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: I picked the beat for that, um when uh what's 581 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: his name? No? Nobody, nobody, Yeah, nobody produced that. I 582 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: remember picking that in front of leven ninety nine and 583 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: damn at damns because Jay didn't like it at first 584 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: that we had that presidents that Mace was rapping on 585 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: it first and I didn't like the way his voice 586 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: sounding on it. And then we end up spaces that 587 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: don't remember that. Yeah, no, nobody everybody heard it. He's 588 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: saying that. So that President assisted with Mace roman over Yeah, 589 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: he was with the non sample and everything. Wow. Wow, 590 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: because you guys did some work with Mace. Yeah, we 591 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: were doing yeah with the him came and uh damn, 592 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: well I can't think of the name right now. Um 593 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: blood Shot. Yeah, okay, so that was a group. Yeah, 594 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: but did they have the you have the concept of 595 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: reasonable doubting, but the whole concept of it we didn't have. 596 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: Um that came a little on. I think that was 597 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: Jay's idea to do reasonable Doubt And then we end 598 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: up getting with Jonathan Mannion who actually you know, did 599 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: the cover and then we did you know, the suits 600 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: and everything, you know, the two down on sixty two Street. 601 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: So he went there and you know, bought some three 602 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollar suits to you know kind of do the 603 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: cover of that. But yeah, that was all j Um 604 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: the idea for that, and even hear stories all the time, 605 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: but just for Clary Rockefellow Records, like was other names 606 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: for the label before or nah And actually Tone Hooker 607 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: came up with that name. So Tone was a part 608 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: of original Flavor, so he gave him the name, and 609 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: he gave the name actually before you know, I had 610 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: something to do with it. So that was him, and 611 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: it was you know like rock a fella, you know, 612 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: like when you Battle, and then plus Rockefeller, you know, 613 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: obviously being right here at the Rockefeller what they you know, 614 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: the notoriety for being rich and that lifestyle. So it's 615 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: kind of you know, played on both of that. But 616 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: this year, making twenty years of that particular album, like 617 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 1: looking back on it, like, what are your thoughts when? 618 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy. I still can't believe it. You know, 619 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: my son is about to be twenty years old, and 620 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: like all these memories are coming back, like I remember 621 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: having him and walking him in the office. But uh, 622 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: twenty years it's just, I mean, so much has happened 623 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: since then, you know. I mean, Jay's um, you know, 624 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: taking things to another level things that we started. Uh, 625 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of moving on their own now. But everybody's 626 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: doing great. But not only that, all the guys that 627 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: we kind of raised in the music you know, so 628 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: everybody that worked for us A is either a vice 629 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: president or a president at a different record label music company. 630 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Is just crazy to me. I'm just happy for everybody, 631 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, even the Street team. You know I'm looking 632 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: at now they have real estate companies and things like that. 633 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: So every time, you know, I run into somebody and 634 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: hear about what's going on. I'm just like, you know, 635 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: it's really good, you know the place that everybody's in 636 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: right now. Even in the video for Dead Presidency, you 637 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: got you were at the table playing monopoly with the guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 638 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: that was crazy. I think we probably brought up about 639 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: two hundred and some thousand dollars and we had, you know, 640 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: real money. So remember I remember Biggie Eyes opening, like, 641 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: what's these guys ain't put out an album yet where 642 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: they're getting this so and if you notice all our 643 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: videos back then, it's all closed bottles of crystal, you know. 644 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: So and then we make sure that they opened by 645 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: the end of the video because a lot of people 646 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: they got to, you know, take those bottles back. How 647 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: important was it to show that you guys were different 648 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: and authentic and that you guys were really living this lifestyle? 649 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: Like it was really important because that's what we were selling. 650 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: Like people were really buying into what we were really living. 651 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't something that we were just talking about. So 652 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, even you know, we we went through Atlanta 653 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: right before we dropped the album, and I mean we 654 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: made so much noise and then by the time we 655 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: came out, people was like, oh man, I really remember, 656 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: like they was really doing what they say they were doing. 657 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: So at that time, you know, we really had to 658 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: show that. But but you couldn't buy your ways authenticity. 659 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: This this is he also down to how you didn't 660 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: approached it because it's not like you can really buy 661 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: yourself into the game, right Like you guys really took 662 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: to the road and did the chipless circuit and didn't 663 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: remember remember rumbling yourself to Jay opening up for Hill 664 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: and out scratch and I remember, yeah, I remember doing 665 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: colleges when it was probably about ten of fifteen people there, 666 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: but Jay still killing it. Those ten or fifteen people 667 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: were standing up, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, 668 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: he I mean, he put in a lot of work, 669 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: and people don't understand that because a lot of people 670 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: come into the game now and they don't know how 671 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: to perform. They don't know how to do, you know, 672 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: they don't know what bars is. They don't know it's 673 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: just about a song like catchy hook. But Jay put 674 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: in so much work and it took so many years 675 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: to get to that point to just reasonable doubt that 676 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: people just think that it happened overnight. It wasn't overnight success. 677 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: They say it takes like ten years to be over. 678 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: So when you know onean there reasonable that like when 679 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: did you when did you feel like towards the end 680 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: of making that album, when did you feel like, Okay, 681 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: this album is like special and like I think this 682 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: is like, I mean, everything every song was was crazy 683 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: being indeed did at that time. And then Uh, Premiere, 684 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: I remember we were talking we was actually going to 685 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: perform and uh and Howard and we spoke to Premiere 686 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: and we was going on the highway and he was like, man, 687 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: I like what y'all did with Patrick Moxy and how 688 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: y'all got off the label. I'm doing three songs for 689 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: nine thousand. So we was like what you know because 690 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: that was so you know, Premier getting on board. Um, 691 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean just to sound like, you know, we have 692 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: so much fun back in D and D at that time. 693 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, the you know, the the 694 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: greediness to grime, you know, being in there. But I 695 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: think the turning point was that day when Biggie came 696 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: in and when you know, now you're you're seeing two 697 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: grades together doing Brooklyn Finals. He was like, man, this, 698 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: This is gonna be crazy. And it's funny because Biggie 699 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: came in there and Biggie didn't know what bars was. 700 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: You know, remember how that that you know that was 701 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: like on on a fifth bar or something like that. 702 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: That song, it was kind of crazy. So it took 703 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: Biggie probably three sessions before he actually finished. So Jay 704 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: went in there finished at the same day, you know, 705 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: and Biggie's like, man, when you run with my song, man, 706 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure it's a regular beat. You ain't 707 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna have all of these. But when you guys happy, 708 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean because you hit a story like Volume one, 709 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't critically acclaimed as but were you happy with 710 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: the way Reasonable Doubt came out? That's the reason why. Yeah, 711 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: definitely yeah. And you know everybody said, like the first album, 712 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: you take your whole life doing it right, so you know, 713 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: everything else is only a year or six months or 714 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: whatever it is you're putting it out from there. So 715 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: it was everybody's input, I mean, down to the skits, 716 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everything, like we was trying to make, 717 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, a classic. We was like, man, we're gonna 718 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: put out all into it, and I mean Jay was 719 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: just it just seems so easy that he would, you know, 720 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: the fire that he was spitting at that time. I 721 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: mean like, you know, day after day he'll like he'll 722 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: call and then spit the evils on the phone. Then 723 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: I'll see him. Then he'll like, y'all got this beat 724 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: and this can I live? And he's spitting that in 725 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: the car, you know what I'm saying. So we were like, yo, Jay, 726 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: I'll call him again. My man Kurt or Clody being like, yo, 727 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: do that, So on the evils again, and then we 728 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: put them on speaker phone and JV spitting and you 729 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So those are like really really 730 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: good times. But it wasn't like when def reached out 731 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: before we get the one like that, that that transition 732 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: of okay, now you even caught the attention of the 733 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: major record labels, like they'll treat you like a big 734 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: boy now. So when it was actually Sony and Def 735 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: Jam that was reaching out, we were really close to 736 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: doing the UM deal with with Sony with Ron Sweeney. 737 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: But Haron Sweeney, yeah, so he had he had did 738 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: something that was a little underhanding and then um we 739 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: had you know, we talked about it. Then we had 740 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: gave our word to Leore that we would do to 741 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: deal with them, so we just went back and I 742 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: seemed to be a better situation for us. So was 743 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: it always that contentious thing of you guys we see 744 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: Damon Lear and the jackets and things like that. Was 745 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: it always a contentious No, it wasn't. What was your 746 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: take on the partnership with that champlan? And and in 747 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: the beginning that it was love because you know, especially 748 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: we had so much success, right so with that, we 749 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: were just really trying to protect the brand at that time. 750 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: So when we came out, we had uh well you 751 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: know what started it probably was when we dropped in 752 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: My uh in My Lifetime volume one and when it 753 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: wasn't doing good, and then Dame had the idea to 754 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: do Street Is Watching, you know, to get the Streets 755 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: back on board because of a Sunshine video and Leo 756 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: and everybody didn't believe in us. So at that point 757 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: it was like, man, y'all coldness and that. So Jay 758 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: Dame was like, look, we gotta plan, and we did 759 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: that on our own and then it kind of you know, 760 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: pushed us the platinum so that now they're back on board, 761 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: So at that time it was kind of like, oh yeah, 762 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: now we see, you know what these guys is about. 763 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: And especially the formula that we had. The formula, you know, 764 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: the buying cell formula that we had didn't kick into 765 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: the third album, I mean the next album, which was 766 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: Hard Knocked Life, and we knocked it out the park. 767 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: The formula, the formula because we had you know, we 768 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: once we signed the deal, we knew we were going 769 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: to sell a company, but the formula didn't kick in 770 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: until that album, which was good. So when it when 771 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: it kicked in, you know, it's amount of records sold 772 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: times uh ned and profit. You know, it was you know, 773 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: a whole formula that was put in place, and we 774 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: end up selling six million records, So they didn't think that, 775 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: so it just it helped them at the same time 776 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: because they was getting ready to sell, so it raised 777 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: their value and then it just pushed our value through 778 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: the roof and you both sold at the same time, 779 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: and Death Jam end up selling the year after that, 780 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: and then we sold in two thousand well we sold 781 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: in two thousand two, and then we did an extension 782 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: to two thousand and five. So a lot of people 783 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: think in two thousand two, everything was sold. They only 784 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: gave us a portion of the money, so we end 785 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: up making um just from the sale. It was close 786 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: to thirty million dollars and that's not counting you know, 787 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: the royalties and everything else. But the intention was always 788 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: not to make a profit and to sell it. No, No, 789 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: we made profit. We made the profit all along the way, 790 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, But you don't. You was always thinking of 791 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: the formula and having in theot a long term thing. 792 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: You wasn't trying to have this lave because we know 793 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: and at that time, you know hip hop, I mean 794 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: the life of a you know, a rap artists only 795 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: two or three albums. So we're just trying to build 796 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: a company to sell it. You know, that's when we 797 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: cash out. Was there always a concern your end that that? 798 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: Because JA remember and people forget back then. J Woul 799 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: always talk about I'm only gonna make it a one 800 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: more album. We're gonna do right like people. Little just 801 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: told me that the other day, and that's exactly what 802 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: I did. I laugh. It was like, come on, man, 803 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: too close to the Beatles now, But no, adding all 804 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: those acts like bringing the diplomats on board, like what 805 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: was your take on that was that also moves to 806 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: try to make sure that that was just actually, no, 807 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: it wasn't. That was just a relationship that we had 808 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: with Cam and he actually came to um Dame with that, 809 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: and then Dame called me in the studio to hear 810 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: the album and it was ridiculous. I mean, I think 811 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: it was only probably only Old Boy and maybe uh 812 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: New York City. Those two two songs were probably the 813 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: only ones that weren't on the album. The rest of 814 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: the whole album was done, So Cam just came with 815 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: a with a complete project. So you know, I give 816 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: him all the credit for that. We didn't do anything, 817 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: but people talk about the era when you know, Cam 818 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: was made VP of and all that type of stuff. 819 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: But did their presence, because their strong personalities that cause 820 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: some tension and sort of change the dynamic in away that, Yeah, 821 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: I guess. So you know what I'm saying, There was 822 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: a lot of things going on at that time, and 823 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, at that time we were at a place 824 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: where everybody kind of wanted to do different things. So 825 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: it was just a lot of probably tension period in 826 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: between death Jam and Rockefeller, so you know, were winding 827 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: down and at the time, we were trying to think 828 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: about how to make the artists coming up bosses so 829 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: they could have their own record companies and music labels 830 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: and then owned staff because at that time we knew 831 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: we were transitioning out. During the Streets Is Watching that 832 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: that was Was that an independent release? No, that was 833 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: with Death because it felt like you guys had to 834 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 1: do that out of necessity. I mean, in the hindsight, 835 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,479 Speaker 1: it's do you guys think you get the credit you deserve, 836 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: because like I don't remember any video acting kind of 837 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: theatrical releases together. Four Streets Is Watching. Um, well, you 838 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: know people who who who really knows about hip hop 839 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: and can look at Streets Is Watching, they know what 840 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: it meant to the game. Because a lot of people 841 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: try to replicate that to something. I mean, Kanye even 842 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: up to recently, what he did, you know with the 843 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: making of um what was that an album two ago? 844 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: When he did it was along the same line. He 845 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: just did it a lot of artistic Um. You know, 846 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: we just did it with our dul you know, so 847 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: just walking around with a camera and just putting something together. 848 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: You know, nobody knows how to act to anything like that. 849 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: But Uh yeah, I think people kind of recognize it though. 850 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: But by the time when Jay was doing the black Out, 851 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: I guess you also just felt as a company that 852 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: you weren't nearing towards the end, right from what you 853 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying reflected from the whole company 854 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: on exactly. So we knew at that time, you know, 855 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and five that was gonna be it anyway, 856 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: So everybody was kind of going off and you know, 857 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: do their own things. So you know, two thousand, uh 858 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: probably yeah, two thousand, that's probably when I stepped in 859 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: to to do uh all the business on the music level. 860 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: So I personally did uh the State properties and I 861 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: did uh um Young Guns album, you know they Can't Stop, 862 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: Won't Stop. And then I um broke Kanye's first album, 863 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: so I did that personally as well. So you know, 864 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: at the time, Dame thought it was he didn't really 865 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: understand the music for Kanye's album, thought we could just 866 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: put people on, and Jay was kind of off doing 867 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: the stock Harter thing, so you know, I kind of 868 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: hired independent radio guys and got on the single and 869 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: picked the second single and so on. From the Jude 870 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: Wire on from through the Wire on Yeah, just pre 871 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 1: this kind of philosophy, pre when you had a dream 872 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: Team album, because I think the dream Team album was 873 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, what did you see in Kanye? Did you? 874 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,919 Speaker 1: Did you think because he didn't fit artists at that time. 875 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: I was spending a lot of time in the studio. So, 876 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: like I said, Dame was at Rocket Wear and UM 877 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: doing you know some other things with UM with the 878 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: fashion and you know, I mean I heard a classic 879 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, so and me and college college dropout of 880 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: Me and Kanye would have long, long, long conversations and 881 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: you know he had the idea for the next two 882 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: or three albums after that. Yeah, so I've seen the 883 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: genius of what he was trying to create. So I 884 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: would actually go back and talk to Dame, and Dame 885 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: would just was being, you know, at the forefront and 886 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: would go and argue with because Lear didn't believe in 887 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: at the time, they wanted to drop Kanye and the 888 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: young Guns. While we had Can't Stop, Won't Stop in 889 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 1: Through the Wire, there was like take them someplace else, 890 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: and then we went to UM I can't believe Capital. Yeah, yeah, 891 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: it was Capital, and they was kind of you know, 892 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: we thought they was idiots at the time, so we 893 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: want He was like, we might aso just keep it 894 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: over here and Death Jam and that's how we ended up. 895 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: What was your world musical? Like people don't know that? 896 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: Like how much like your picking beach and giving people 897 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: port like exacut the production more so. Yeah. Yeah, so 898 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: but everything at that time, I was, you know everything. 899 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: I was controlling the label at the time, so every 900 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: day going to death Jam downstairs, you know, meeting with 901 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: my staff one today, so publicity radio, you know, um, 902 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: legal samples and uh like everything from A to Z. 903 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: Were you wanna bring it on? What's that you? Yeah? Ok, yeah, 904 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: I was rap them up big. Yeah. But why would 905 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: Leo want to drop Kanye? They didn't believe in the 906 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 1: project at the time. It was early on, so I 907 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: think at that time through the wire it was only 908 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: getting about sixty spins. It was just one place in 909 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: d C. And then Virginia caught on fire. So, um, 910 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't see the potential in the project. 911 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: But when you're in conceration, know, Dane was really adamant 912 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: you know for you, you know, fighting for you. He 913 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: was saying like he was upset with Kanye because he 914 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: said he didn't stick up for you or I really 915 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: don't understand what I was about. I've heard, you know, 916 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: some things and people send stuff in, but I've seen 917 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: Kanye the other day, so I went to the UM, 918 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, the UM the listening party had in the garden. 919 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: So that's my first time seeing him, first time seeing Jay. 920 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: Like Jay and I we were speaking, you know, prior 921 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: to that, but that's the first time we've seen each 922 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: other in a long time. And a lot of people, 923 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, always asked me three years, what's gonna happen 924 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: when you see j What's gonna happen? And I was like, 925 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. We probably laughing. That's exactly what happened. 926 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: We just laughed for like five minutes before we said anything. 927 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: And then somebody tapped me from behind and I turned 928 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: around as Kanye and he was like, Yo, thank you 929 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: so much for coming out. You know. But because people, 930 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, the Black felt thing, I think is the 931 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: biggest movement that people believe in, Like you said, for 932 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,439 Speaker 1: the integrity got stood on. It's still hard for people 933 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: to accept that that that ended, you know what I mean, Like, 934 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: what were your feelings at the time, and what are 935 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 1: your feelings now about the situation. Um, At the time, 936 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, it was a sale of a company, so 937 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: everybody was you know, just moving off in different directions. 938 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: And uh, at that time, we were still young, you know, 939 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: so there was, like I said, there was a lot 940 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: of things going on internally at the company. We wasn't 941 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: speaking a lot day to day and spending it as 942 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: much time as we did you know, when we were 943 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: younger to kind of iron things out. So you know, 944 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: there were some discrepancies and then people, you know, when 945 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: they their own ways. But eventually, you know, we all 946 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: spoke about it. But at that time, like I said, 947 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: we were all in a different place. So you know, 948 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: even coming home, like you said, maintaining those relationships, you know, 949 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: as I see everybody, it's just like, look, man, we 950 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: made history together, like you know, like nobody could take 951 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,800 Speaker 1: that away from ussel, you know, I mean, everybody's just 952 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: happy for each other right now and just trying to 953 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: support because I remember hearing the time Jay was saying, well, 954 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: if you give me reasonable doubt, then you know, I'll 955 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: let you guys have the company or run the company 956 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, like that's a conversation they had 957 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: with Dame that yeah, that was you know, over the name. 958 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, that's what happened, but we decided not 959 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: to you know, but that's you know, but now that 960 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: that's still the thing is still buyds the free of 961 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 1: you guys together, the reasonable Doubt. That's why people like, 962 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: are we're gonna get a twenty anniversary show, We're gonna 963 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: get those kind of things. Yeah, I'm not, like I said, 964 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the show. I'm not sure what 965 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,479 Speaker 1: Dame or Jay is doing. I know what I'm gonna 966 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: do for for a reasonable doubt, And you know, I 967 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: spoke to Johnathan Manning about it, and I'm thinking about, 968 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, having because he did Reasonable Doubt in the 969 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: next albums after showing all the pictures and all the 970 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: artwork as the art you know, along with you know, 971 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: fourth in November clothing. But I'm not sure if Jay 972 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: is gonna do something, Dame's gonna do something to be 973 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: more powerful if we all did something in different states 974 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: at the same time anyway, right, because it's a big project. 975 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: But you didn't feel like Kanye had an obligation to 976 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: hold you down. Definitely not. No, I don't feel no, 977 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: this has an obligation to hold me down to do 978 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 1: anything because we I mean, we we enter into a 979 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: business agreement. So you know obviously at that time we're 980 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: signing people and we're you know, investing in them. But 981 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: you know we were really successful, you know, so, I mean, 982 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: whether you make the money back or not, it's a 983 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: business deal. It's not about you know, somebody you know, 984 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sign you and if I ever get in trouble, 985 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: you gotta be there for me. You know. It's not 986 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: about that, you know. So a lot of times in 987 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: the past, people built, uh everything was on transaction about 988 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: what if I do something for you, you got me 989 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: later on. And it's a learning experience now because all 990 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: the business I do now is on a is relational 991 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: is because I'm doing it out of love, you know 992 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So if I do something for somebody, 993 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: I never expect anything in return. And I think that's 994 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: the difference that I learned over the twenty years being 995 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: in business. But it seems like with Dame, with the separation, 996 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: he took his person away and then it led to 997 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times on to get off again kind 998 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: of situation. Well, do you feel like kind of like 999 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: you like more in the middle level and looking at 1000 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: it kind of objectively at this time, or oh yeah, definitely, 1001 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: but you know Dame last, Like I got pictures in 1002 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: jail with Dame and J together, and then they would 1003 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: text me or email me because it's the email. Yeah, 1004 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: so they would email me together as well. So I 1005 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: never really listened to what the press is saying because 1006 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: I know they was put in a different light. But 1007 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: when you know, when I speak to J, when I 1008 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: speak to Dame, it's all love, you know, touch incarceration. Um, 1009 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: during that time, Um, what was that? What was your 1010 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: mindset when you're going through that? Because you just were 1011 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: released a year ago? And um, prior to that, when 1012 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: did you go in? And I went in in two 1013 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, and yeah, I got out about eight 1014 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: months ago. And you know when you when you go in, 1015 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of reflection. It's, um, you know, 1016 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: you think about what you're gonna do when you get out. Um, 1017 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: you think about you know, the past, present and everything. 1018 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: So you know, for me, I just did a lot 1019 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: of reading, a lot of working out. That's why a 1020 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: lot of people don't recognize me. Man, so when they 1021 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: see me. But more or less, you know, I started 1022 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: to uh build relationships with the men in prison, and 1023 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: I started to think about them differently as well, because 1024 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, I had friends Emory obviously on one of 1025 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: my closest friends being in prison for a long time, 1026 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: and Big Tie, who's in in prison right now. Uh, 1027 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: you think about the support for them and it's just about, yeah, 1028 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna send them some money and you send them 1029 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: some pictures and that's it. But you don't really think 1030 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: about what they're going through and what their family going 1031 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: through and what the day to day is like. So 1032 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,720 Speaker 1: I got to experience that myself. And that's actually another 1033 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: thing that I'm doing right now is a nonprofit where 1034 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm going back into prisons to help the guys, you know, 1035 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: in fellowship with them and then have them connect with 1036 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: this UM group called New kind of Society UM on 1037 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: the outside and they have sixty five chapters around the 1038 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: country just to help support them. And it's more about 1039 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,959 Speaker 1: not about giving you know, I mean, obviously put giving 1040 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,959 Speaker 1: them money and you know it's one thing, or sending 1041 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: the magazines, but it's actually just about being yeah, relationally 1042 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: and to support them through this process, whether calling their 1043 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: sons on the birthday or the or their daughters or 1044 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: helping it, you know, their parents on the outside and 1045 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: just giving them an air for somebody to talk to. 1046 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're being targeted because I know 1047 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: you had an arrest pride for a similar charge, like 1048 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand three or so, I wouldn't say I 1049 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: was being targeted. But they used me for, you know, 1050 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: to publicize that case, you know, because they made it 1051 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 1: out much bigger than you know what it was. You know, yeah, 1052 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, at that time, I was going to buy 1053 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: some dispensaries in California and then I connected guys from 1054 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: New York to l A. And with that, you know, 1055 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: they said it was a conspiracy. But at the time, 1056 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: the d A really just wanted me to talk and 1057 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: I refused to do that. So that's why I got 1058 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,360 Speaker 1: the time that I did. And I remember seeing the 1059 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: report that they said, we're using the court. You said 1060 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: you said to the judge that you'll never see me again. 1061 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: Why did you feel it was important to say that? 1062 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: Why was that your statement to the court. Oh, but 1063 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, because I knew at that at that moment, 1064 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: how it was affected my family, So you when you 1065 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 1: do things sometimes you just really think about yourself. So 1066 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: my son, who was fourteen at the time, was going 1067 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,479 Speaker 1: through a real rough time, so that statement was really 1068 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: that was more for him as well, you know, not 1069 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: really for the judge, you know, I was letting her know, 1070 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: but it was for the people in the audience. There 1071 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: was a lot of kids there, my nephews, nieces, and 1072 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people that I raised and helped out. 1073 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: So you know, I just wanted to kind of set 1074 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: a bad example that I'm gonna go in this is 1075 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,479 Speaker 1: but You'll never go through this again. It's never gonna 1076 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: happened again. What were your conditions like in jail? Like, 1077 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 1: was it you know, oh this big rocket feller that 1078 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: people recognize you? Yeah, there was people recognize me. There 1079 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 1: was guards that recognized me. But in that situation it 1080 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 1: could play out two ways. You could get a lot 1081 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: of love or it could be a lot of hate. 1082 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, so you know, some guards to hate you 1083 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: because of who you are, and some guys, you know, 1084 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: guards to show you a little bit of you know, 1085 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,239 Speaker 1: a little bit of love. Um. But you know, I 1086 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: guess it was probably a combination of both. You already 1087 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: locked up in New York. Nah, I was in Louisburg. 1088 00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: I was in New York for a period of time 1089 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn and UM in Manhattan, MCC and m d C. 1090 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,280 Speaker 1: And then I went to Louisburg and then I finished 1091 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: out my time in McKee in Pennsylvania. Now, the first 1092 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: time you had ever been locked up or anything? Right? Yeah, 1093 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: for any sentence? Did you think that? Was it what 1094 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 1: you thought you had thought about the dangers of the 1095 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: lifestyle that may lead to that? Was it did end 1096 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: up ever being what you thought it was gonna be. Um, 1097 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: I never really gave a thought before. But at the time, 1098 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: how I I made sense of it because of my past, 1099 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,880 Speaker 1: and I was just like, well, you know, this is 1100 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: kind of like a slap and the risk because of 1101 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: things would have happened to me a long time ago. 1102 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,839 Speaker 1: You know, I probably have been in there for twenty 1103 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: or thirty years. So I just kind of made sense 1104 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,800 Speaker 1: of it like that. Just try to go in and 1105 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 1: into it with, you know, positive as it could be. 1106 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: Was it hard readjusting once you were released? Uh? Not really. 1107 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect though, you know. So 1108 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the music and entertainment business, 1109 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 1: who's been in the out of jail. But I think 1110 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 1: at that time we kind of surpassed that of just 1111 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: being known as music or you know, uh label execs, 1112 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: because we had so many different companies. But you know, 1113 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 1: with the New Canaan Society, I went there and actually 1114 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: spoke there for about forty minutes one day, and I 1115 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: started to see the reception from guys in the marketplace. 1116 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: You know, different guys who who's not a part of 1117 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,000 Speaker 1: this world, and you know that that really helped me 1118 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: out a lot. So when you first day home, what happens? 1119 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: What do you do? Uh? First day home? I actually 1120 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,800 Speaker 1: I got married. Yeah, so the first day home, I 1121 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: got married, and then I had a bunch of food 1122 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: in the car, shrimp, uh home cook food. My my sister, 1123 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: my wife, and my son came to get me and 1124 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: end up going I was supposed to actually go straight 1125 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: home to home confinement, but I got there late and 1126 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: uh I had to state United at the halfway house 1127 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: and then after that just went home. But he came in. 1128 00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: No one's gonna get married. Yeah yeah, yeah. Bigg does things, 1129 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,759 Speaker 1: does things big, So she's you know, uh, the mother 1130 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,800 Speaker 1: of my twenty year kids. So it's a lot of 1131 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,320 Speaker 1: history there too. So we actually met her. We're just 1132 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,839 Speaker 1: talking about it last night. I met her talking about 1133 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: going the same time to shoot in my Lifetime video. Wow. Yeah, 1134 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: I think I think Big wants to go back to St. Thomas. 1135 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,400 Speaker 1: I just made reservations. I'm going in Junie for what. 1136 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: Speaking of trips, I remember seeing talking here and didn't 1137 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: talk about, like that trip you took Kanye to London? 1138 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: What was that experience? Like? I mean that was great, 1139 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,360 Speaker 1: especially for for Kanye. I think that UM really introduced 1140 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,439 Speaker 1: him to to the UK, and he was a little 1141 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: reluctant about going on that trip. And once he got 1142 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,920 Speaker 1: out there though, and then received a love I mean 1143 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: he talks about it today. He spends a lot of 1144 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: time overseas and I think he up yeah, and and 1145 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: and it kind of all goes back to that first trip. 1146 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,320 Speaker 1: I just seen some footage that Um yeah, Tim Westwood 1147 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,440 Speaker 1: dropped the other day. UM with that. And know, because 1148 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: we end up spending a lot of time out there, 1149 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: we end up getting the house out there, you know 1150 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,320 Speaker 1: that we were renting, so uh dam and I between 1151 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: l A, California, New York. We would probably spent two 1152 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: weeks um in each place, so we'd be two weeks 1153 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 1: in New York, two weeks in Beverly Hills, and two 1154 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 1: weeks in London. So we had a place in Victoria 1155 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: and Dave Beckham actually bought the house that we used 1156 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: to rent out in Chelsea. I'm saying those amazing moments 1157 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 1: like obviously you guys, like you said, came in with 1158 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: some money, but like to reach these heights, Like was 1159 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,320 Speaker 1: there moments where you just look back like, wow, I 1160 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,400 Speaker 1: can't believe, Like it's definitely in one. Yeah, when I 1161 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: came home maybe I want to say three months ago, Uh, 1162 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: my wife opened up this chest and I've seen probably 1163 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: four or five pictures that I didn't even know I 1164 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: still had, And as I'm going through the pictures, I 1165 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,239 Speaker 1: could remember the moment. So at that time, I man, 1166 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean I was smoking so much weed, doing you know, 1167 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: doing everything. It was like a blur, just like when 1168 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: you're living it. But now as I look back, you know, 1169 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: it was an amazing ride during that five year gap 1170 00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: when you were going, like what do you think change 1171 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: is the most, Like you know, social media is prominent now, 1172 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 1: things like that. Well, I'm saying I've seen that a 1173 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,320 Speaker 1: long time ago. You know, I had a social network 1174 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: back in two thousand one block savvy. Yeah, so you 1175 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: know I kind of seen, uh, you know, where it 1176 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 1: was going with that, But it was it was pretty 1177 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 1: much prevalent before I went in. You know, I don't 1178 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,760 Speaker 1: end up doing probably close to four years in prison, 1179 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,840 Speaker 1: So it wasn't you know, you know, relatively speaking that 1180 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: much time. Yeah, the game has changed a lot. Yeah, 1181 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: the game has changed, you know. I guess the biggest 1182 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: thing is the you know, the music and you know, 1183 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,960 Speaker 1: the soundclouds and things like that and other music platform 1184 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 1: the streaming services online. That's probably the biggest change, you know, 1185 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: especially for the artists because a lot of artists are 1186 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 1: launching their careers through that. Right. You think about Little 1187 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: Yaddi right now, you know what I'm saying. I mean, 1188 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: he's having amazing success and that's all through you know, 1189 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 1: just streaming services, you know. And I spoke to Coach K. 1190 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't even want to sign them to a label. 1191 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,279 Speaker 1: You want to go back to the music thing. You 1192 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: might hear somebody you be like, oh my god, I 1193 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: might want to go back in No, not really, you know, 1194 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: like I said, we made history with that. Do you 1195 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,799 Speaker 1: feel like Dame said that at the times, Like you said, 1196 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 1: such a high standard. It's almost like it has to 1197 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: be a certain quality to do it. Truthfully, I didn't 1198 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,760 Speaker 1: have a love for music. I mean I love music personally, 1199 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 1: but I didn't have a love for the music business. 1200 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 1: And and and also that whole time, it was just 1201 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,959 Speaker 1: a good business decision. And I've seen the bigger picture 1202 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 1: and all the other things we could have done around it. 1203 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,320 Speaker 1: So that's why I actually entered into that, you know, 1204 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 1: that deal with Damon Ja. It wasn't about oh yeah, 1205 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: because I love music so much, this is what I 1206 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,720 Speaker 1: want to do. I actually like business. I like starting 1207 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 1: things and making something from nothing. Is it true that 1208 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,359 Speaker 1: you introduced Jaya One? Yeah yeah, so um yeah. One 1209 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,399 Speaker 1: is a you know, used to be a real good 1210 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: friend of mine. We spent a lot of time together. 1211 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: And even during the Hard Knock Life tour, I think 1212 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: I only went to one show, yeah, the one, the 1213 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: one in d C. Because Alan Iverson was against Ross Strickland. 1214 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to the game, so I flew 1215 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 1: out to the d C. But like during the whole time, 1216 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: it will just being me and one we'll be on 1217 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 1: his block and just buying Magnum's, uh Christal Rose and 1218 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 1: just going to clubs every day and just spend a 1219 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,640 Speaker 1: lot of time. So you would have won the four 1220 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,200 Speaker 1: point of range, the roles you introduced that four point 1221 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,920 Speaker 1: six excuse me? Yeah, yeah, I never had a four 1222 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 1: point so, yeah, I had the platinum rolegs, the you know, 1223 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: the range, the Champagne and Louis, the thirteen for all that, 1224 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, like me and Dame would joke about it, 1225 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,880 Speaker 1: but like Biggs did it first and j put in 1226 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: the verse. Yeah, but things did it first. And yeah, 1227 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,880 Speaker 1: but you know, those are great guys man, And I 1228 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: think about the roster that you guys had, Like did 1229 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: you sign off from all those guys that ever came 1230 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 1: through Rockefellert? Were you? Yeah? So we all everything you know, 1231 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 1: we made, we came together collectively to make all the decisions, 1232 00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, especially with the signings, and I mean, you 1233 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 1: know it was something that we missed too with Scarfs. 1234 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,080 Speaker 1: Were pretty close to sign in Twister. Yeah. I signed 1235 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people Twister. Yeah. And then because Nori 1236 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 1: was just her here right, yeah, he said you had 1237 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: she took your chain and I was just about to 1238 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: say that. So that's the only and no, can I 1239 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,000 Speaker 1: have my chain back? So because I personally gave him 1240 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: my chain and then he never signed a deal and 1241 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: kept the chain. Yeah that sounds like some would do. Yeah, 1242 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: that chain back, but nobody changed. You have no change. 1243 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 1: I got Yeah, I got to that was my original. 1244 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 1: That was the original chain, the very first one. Wow. 1245 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, somebody, somebody in the line. Get him on 1246 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: Skyper something, you don't know, he got it somewhere. Let 1247 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: me get that chain back. But of course, you know, 1248 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: Jay and Kanye are probably the most successful ones, like 1249 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, twenty years later, like you see Jay has title, 1250 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,640 Speaker 1: he has rock Nation, Like what are your thoughts about, 1251 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, the success that he has the Barclay Center like, 1252 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,800 Speaker 1: well you while you was inside, he kind of made 1253 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these power moves. Yeah, I was happy, 1254 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, and that actually motivated me. You know, so 1255 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,440 Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, when I'm going through 1256 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 1: things and I was spending the track and put on 1257 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 1: a Jay's album or something like that, you know, some 1258 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 1: old music. You know, I would get inspired by hearing 1259 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,920 Speaker 1: all these things that was going on outside. So it 1260 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,440 Speaker 1: just kind of motivated me. Even more to you know, 1261 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,440 Speaker 1: just want to come out and do something. So you 1262 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: kept kind of a contact like in the air to 1263 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 1: the street more or less. Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, 1264 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: that's crazy. So it was another and here it was 1265 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 1: just it was all you I used an all for motivation, right, 1266 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: So everyone's good then you dame Jay everyone. Yeah. Wow. 1267 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: That's great to hear though, because people just want to celebrate, man, 1268 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 1: the glory days. I mean, you think, what do you 1269 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,480 Speaker 1: think the movement ranks were, Like there's been powerful movements 1270 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: in music, the Bad Boys, the Death Rows, but I 1271 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: think something about the Rockefeller Rain, you know, connects to 1272 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: people in a special way because, like you said, because 1273 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 1: of the integrity, because of the authenticity, and even then 1274 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,080 Speaker 1: it's still building. Yeah that's probably why. You know, so 1275 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: a lot of you know coming gone, but this is 1276 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: still building. You know. Unfortunately Biggie pass you know, Tupacat's passed, 1277 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 1: and Sugar's gone, what he's going through. But um, you 1278 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 1: know the different things, it's still building. Especially with the 1279 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 1: name rock out there still right with rock Nation and 1280 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 1: things like that. You know that's being done and you know, 1281 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: me and Emery working together, I mean T T taking 1282 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,200 Speaker 1: over the realms. You know, you've got Jay Brown, you 1283 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 1: got Shaka, you got Sharry over in Atlantic and Manual 1284 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 1: over in Atlantic. I mean our branch you are just 1285 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,880 Speaker 1: seen the other day. It's just, you know, I'm just 1286 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 1: happy that you know, we've got guys all over right now. 1287 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: That's still you know, feeling the you know, getting you know, 1288 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,320 Speaker 1: receiving a success that they you know, they work. So 1289 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 1: you can sit there pairing up with any of those 1290 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: and you feel like it's important to build your own, 1291 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: like would you join the Rock Nation in some capacity 1292 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,200 Speaker 1: or you feel like I don't know if I would 1293 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,919 Speaker 1: want to join in that capacity. But what I'm doing 1294 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: right now and I have UH in the house branding 1295 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 1: company and fourth November UM with this line, it's just 1296 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,240 Speaker 1: one clothing line that I'm going to drop over the 1297 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, over the next eighteen months, we got four 1298 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,120 Speaker 1: more clothing lines. So a lot of people don't understand 1299 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 1: what's going on, and they, you know, I think that 1300 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: I was chasing Rocketwear or another clothing line, but I 1301 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: have things going on in different tiers of different distribution UM, 1302 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 1: different tier levels, so you know, different price points. So 1303 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: it's not really about what Fourth November is doing. It's 1304 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,640 Speaker 1: about the whole thing, and then in house branding company 1305 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,280 Speaker 1: and the marketing company along with that, and then we're 1306 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: also looking to buy businesses and and and partner up 1307 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: with strategic partners as well. So it's it's it's a 1308 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: bigger place over the fourth November was just the first 1309 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 1: thing in place, and like I said, people gravitating towards 1310 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 1: it and it's selling out. So you know, that's just 1311 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 1: just laying the foundation. You and Dane was supposed to 1312 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: do allowance together called the Breakfast Club. What happened with that? 1313 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: We we know we had a club together. Yeah, So 1314 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,240 Speaker 1: we had on four teen Street and I forget the 1315 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,120 Speaker 1: name of it all the time. It was the old 1316 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: Nails so used to be Yeah, so with um with 1317 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,440 Speaker 1: with Noel Ashman. So we had a club there and 1318 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 1: we had one in Beverly Hill too that we had 1319 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,120 Speaker 1: invested with justin timber Lake and a couple of other people. 1320 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:25,560 Speaker 1: Don't want yeah bus mental dot com. You know about that, Vito, 1321 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 1: I know I need to get a ride. Well, you 1322 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: can choose for a wide variety and motor coaches, party 1323 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: buses and limousines. Man, you want to write a Limo movie. 1324 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,680 Speaker 1: You got a little money now, man, you don't got 1325 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: some money much money, as I guess bigs man. Bustal 1326 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 1: dot com may have a good time maybe so we 1327 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 1: can't rent a limo party bus it accommodates small groups 1328 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: or an entire team, and then something don't worry about. 1329 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: Bus mental dot com will get you to get you 1330 01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,880 Speaker 1: where you need to go to get in the road. 1331 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,240 Speaker 1: Go to bus mental dot com. You know it's a 1332 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,840 Speaker 1: US coach waste company, and you know we're rolling with CBS. 1333 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: You get that five percent, right, yes, sir, say five 1334 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:13,680 Speaker 1: percent use the promo cod CBS bus bus rental dot com. Hey, yes, hey, 1335 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 1: rap raids and me and my partner beat our miller 1336 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,880 Speaker 1: man with only opinion that matters. Man here rap raid off. 1337 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: What was some diusito you think, broll we should have 1338 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,880 Speaker 1: did that? Like that that was a bad move, Like 1339 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,800 Speaker 1: you could admit, you can admit that maybe that wasn't 1340 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,720 Speaker 1: the right thing. They look back on like that might 1341 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,160 Speaker 1: not have worked or rock box that's the first thing 1342 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,040 Speaker 1: that this came among. But actually it was a good idea, 1343 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It was a good idea. Just 1344 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,720 Speaker 1: that we couldn't get the price point that we needed 1345 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 1: to compete with Apple. So at the time, I mean, 1346 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,840 Speaker 1: Apple was buying so many MP three players and we 1347 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,400 Speaker 1: needed to shrink the size and we couldn't. We couldn't 1348 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,800 Speaker 1: do it because of the price points and our our 1349 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,440 Speaker 1: MP three player would have had to be priced higher 1350 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,960 Speaker 1: than theirs. So we kind of got out that business. 1351 01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: The margins was just didn't make sense for Armadale. Why 1352 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: didn't that like become Well, what happened was we were 1353 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,200 Speaker 1: partners with William Grant and Sons and they had maybe 1354 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,720 Speaker 1: four other brands they were fifty partners with and they 1355 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,320 Speaker 1: wanted to own all their brands that so we actually 1356 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,520 Speaker 1: brought them out and got back a hundred percent of it. 1357 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 1: And at the time, we were trying to find new 1358 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,960 Speaker 1: distribution and new manufacturers and it, you know, it just 1359 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,440 Speaker 1: didn't work out with the partners we were trying to 1360 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,160 Speaker 1: get with. And then somebody picked up the trademark because 1361 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,320 Speaker 1: I think it's out there and that at one point 1362 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: it was dead, but it's still I think it's someone 1363 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,440 Speaker 1: picked it back up. What you said, so, what's your 1364 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,919 Speaker 1: favorite rock release? Man, Man, we need that big before 1365 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 1: we get out of here. We need that big playlist. 1366 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,760 Speaker 1: It's funny right now I'm listening to a lot of 1367 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 1: American gangster and it's funny because that album in some 1368 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,800 Speaker 1: ways remind me of reasonable doubt, because you still like 1369 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm catching lines now I've heard it about thirty times 1370 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I don't even catch that line, 1371 01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, you know, off the off the wall, no easel. Uh. 1372 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Like Mike Jackson, I was like, man, he just killed 1373 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,880 Speaker 1: that's talking about that the other day. It's funny because 1374 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: people would hate on Jay said, well he should retire. 1375 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,960 Speaker 1: Why does he keep going? And now the due generation 1376 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 1: it's feeding for him to come back with your music, 1377 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 1: like why doesn't you give us album? And then he's 1378 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,080 Speaker 1: the rappers rappers too, you know as well, So you 1379 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 1: know other rappers love him, you know what I'm saying. 1380 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,200 Speaker 1: So and Jay Small, he knows he could collaborate anybody, 1381 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:35,360 Speaker 1: and he's gonna still kill him on the record. So yeah, yeah, 1382 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: that's it. Jay gonna smash you down. So um, I mean, 1383 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,800 Speaker 1: it's it's so many songs on there, man, I don't 1384 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,520 Speaker 1: know if I got any favorites. Is a combination of 1385 01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of albums, you know, so I'm always currently 1386 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: changing playlists and you know, and and liking songs until 1387 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 1: you know they fade out, and then putting new ones in. 1388 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,560 Speaker 1: But I mean, with the body of music Jay haf Man, 1389 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of hard to say I like 1390 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,160 Speaker 1: this over. I mean, he got I mean easily a 1391 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,000 Speaker 1: hundred fifty hits. Is it hard for a person like 1392 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 1: you that were so involved with the Rocket Fell obviously 1393 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,800 Speaker 1: to listen to the album the way I would listen 1394 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,920 Speaker 1: to the album? Uh, it probably was. But in jail 1395 01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,440 Speaker 1: I got to listen to it as a fan, and 1396 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: I got to appreciate a lot of the songs, you know, 1397 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: from the other side, especially with him coming out with 1398 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,400 Speaker 1: new music. So, uh, you know, some of the stuff 1399 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I remember even not liking in the beginning. Um in 1400 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,840 Speaker 1: this right before I went to jail, watched The Throne. 1401 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 1: I remember calling hip hop like, oh man, that's a dud. 1402 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,480 Speaker 1: And I remember calling the next day it's like, oh man, 1403 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 1: that's a classic. Because they used to be in the studio. Man, 1404 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,880 Speaker 1: so you get the music on tapes or how was 1405 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,840 Speaker 1: it listening to they have an MP three player and yeah, 1406 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:55,480 Speaker 1: and the Federal system. Yeah, that's to come up. Yeah. Wow. 1407 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,920 Speaker 1: So what's your fondest moment of Like I have so 1408 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,800 Speaker 1: many rocket Fellers stories, like seen it from the outside 1409 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,040 Speaker 1: looking in. Um, probably just the free play. And I 1410 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 1: just told me and j was talking about the other day. 1411 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,320 Speaker 1: I was like, um, you know, when you get back 1412 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:09,680 Speaker 1: in the studio, we are going in and get some 1413 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,400 Speaker 1: free play. We would call a free play because say, 1414 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,720 Speaker 1: if j is going to do a song like that 1415 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,600 Speaker 1: President's whatever, he'll just start rapping and it won't be 1416 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,800 Speaker 1: the lyrics for that song. And we used to call 1417 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,360 Speaker 1: a free play. So you start hearing like versus and 1418 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: stuff you've never heard before, and he'll just go on 1419 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: for like, you know, five ten minutes, fifteen minutes sometimes 1420 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,160 Speaker 1: just getting it out. Yeah, just just going crazy. And 1421 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 1: that's what we used to love, Like Yo, put that 1422 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,400 Speaker 1: on there, and put that on there, and he's like 1423 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,800 Speaker 1: knowing and you might not never hear it again. Yeah, 1424 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,520 Speaker 1: So we used to call a free play and Jason 1425 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,680 Speaker 1: just go crazy, you know, because you don't write nothing 1426 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,920 Speaker 1: to so he forgets music. It's a lot of stuff 1427 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 1: that you forgot, So like, um, a song that was 1428 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,800 Speaker 1: supposed to go on reasonable doubt called It's Hot. Um 1429 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: was crazy that Ski produced It's Hot. Yeah, hear that. 1430 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't know where it's 1431 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,400 Speaker 1: I don't think Ski has it. Wow, you know the 1432 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,640 Speaker 1: young group that got a lot of who don't have that. 1433 01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,120 Speaker 1: What I want to know is, like after volume two, 1434 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,960 Speaker 1: that's probably my favorite job. What was life like for 1435 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:15,280 Speaker 1: you guys because you sold six million records? Um, it 1436 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:21,160 Speaker 1: was just like you know, we knew it. Yeah, yeah, 1437 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean like that to other people, 1438 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 1: but for us, it was always playing in the next thing. 1439 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,559 Speaker 1: So you remember right after that Rockaway came out, Right 1440 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,200 Speaker 1: after that, Armadale came out. Right after that. It was 1441 01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,920 Speaker 1: just you know, did a lot of things come your 1442 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,800 Speaker 1: way or you still had to kind of like have 1443 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,000 Speaker 1: this independent spirit. Um, things things came out way, but 1444 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, we were really creative and wanted to do 1445 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,160 Speaker 1: things on our own as well. It was a lot 1446 01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,559 Speaker 1: of turning things down because people at that time come 1447 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,240 Speaker 1: with you with everything rock this, rock, that, rocket is that, 1448 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,240 Speaker 1: and we was like, oh man, this don't make sense. 1449 01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,840 Speaker 1: So at that time, that's when my space sold for 1450 01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: five and eighty million, and then I was trying to 1451 01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,160 Speaker 1: look to use database that we had from the music 1452 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,519 Speaker 1: to try to build a social network. So it was 1453 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 1: always just trying to chase the next thing, oh man. 1454 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,640 Speaker 1: And also you wouldn't a couple of videos only like 1455 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,680 Speaker 1: four videos. I think was always resistant videos. It was 1456 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:17,680 Speaker 1: feeling face off the life in my lifetime. And I 1457 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:23,400 Speaker 1: think it was also, uh, can't stop, won't stop? Those 1458 01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,040 Speaker 1: are the four maybe, and it was it was. It 1459 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:35,400 Speaker 1: was probably a few more. He wasn't. It wasn't that, 1460 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,920 Speaker 1: But it was never like your thing to be. Yeah, 1461 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: we'll talk about even now, Like I was like, I 1462 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,080 Speaker 1: don't know if we're gonna get twenty minutes from bigs, 1463 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,920 Speaker 1: like Big doesn't do interviews, Like why do you feel 1464 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,640 Speaker 1: it's time to kind of just put yourself out there 1465 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more and talking? Well, I didn't. We 1466 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,080 Speaker 1: didn't have to before. So Jay didn't do it neither, right, 1467 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,519 Speaker 1: So that the way the company was built was yeah, yeah, Dame, 1468 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,639 Speaker 1: would you know do that? He would be the face 1469 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,400 Speaker 1: of that. He would do all the interviews and that's 1470 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,679 Speaker 1: Jay would rap, and then me I would just handle 1471 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,560 Speaker 1: business and then come through when we need to do 1472 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,080 Speaker 1: things collectively. You know a lot of times Like I said, 1473 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in the studio, so 1474 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, I worked with all the artists through the 1475 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,439 Speaker 1: studio with hip hop at that time. So hip hop 1476 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,040 Speaker 1: being a studio just sitting on hits, and you know, 1477 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,720 Speaker 1: we like, you know, we gotta put this music out. 1478 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,240 Speaker 1: You can't just have the music in the studio. We 1479 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,960 Speaker 1: have to put it out grabbing, grabbing files like it's 1480 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,720 Speaker 1: going out to went to rock the mic when you 1481 01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 1: know he had that right, I mean, hip hop had 1482 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: that song for like eight months just sitting on rock 1483 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,519 Speaker 1: and pick and what he didn't believe it enough for 1484 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,280 Speaker 1: he just because he was doing something. You know, it 1485 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,120 Speaker 1: was so much music and at that time, we had 1486 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: all those different artists. So I would come in and 1487 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,599 Speaker 1: I'm like play, you know, let me start hearing songs, 1488 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,240 Speaker 1: and this is a baseline, and we just started putting 1489 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,120 Speaker 1: albums together. What was your take on that row? We 1490 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,560 Speaker 1: talk They talked about the arrow you have like a 1491 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 1: young Kanye Young just blaze banging these beats out and 1492 01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,920 Speaker 1: and you know, um Bank Bank was doing his thing. 1493 01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 1: People forget big dope beats too. You feel like now 1494 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,640 Speaker 1: you have like a hit factory thing going on. Now, 1495 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Like it was just so natural, you know. I mean, 1496 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,840 Speaker 1: guys have just come there and then they didn't want 1497 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,439 Speaker 1: to leave. We have so many artists that they all love, right, 1498 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,840 Speaker 1: So I mean stay property in itself was like three 1499 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,920 Speaker 1: or four groups and then along with Kanye you know 1500 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yeah, dip set and it was just 1501 01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,280 Speaker 1: so much work there. It's like I could stay here 1502 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,760 Speaker 1: and I'm getting on somebody's album, you know what I'm saying. 1503 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,599 Speaker 1: Bleak you know? You know still at that time, Wow, 1504 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,519 Speaker 1: what's has made of the of the j oh boy thing? 1505 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 1: Like what was your tick on that? Like Jay wanted 1506 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: to get on the record and they didn't want him 1507 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,240 Speaker 1: to be on the record, I guess, And he did 1508 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,920 Speaker 1: get on the record. Yeah, but camming like the way 1509 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,320 Speaker 1: um and came out at that time? Did that kind 1510 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,519 Speaker 1: of stuff happen often the times with certainly because everybody 1511 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,880 Speaker 1: so involved with each other's projects. I think Jay's view 1512 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,400 Speaker 1: he always wanted people to stand on their own and 1513 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,840 Speaker 1: he didn't want um they notoriety to come from him 1514 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,560 Speaker 1: being on one of their songs. So a lot of 1515 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,760 Speaker 1: times if you hear j on any of the old 1516 01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,560 Speaker 1: artists on is always album cut. J wouldn't get on 1517 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,080 Speaker 1: the sink because if it sounds like a single, he 1518 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: knows that they're gonna be like, oh yeah, video they 1519 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: always got you listen to it. It's always an album cut. 1520 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:13,439 Speaker 1: I think welcome to X You know what I'm saying. 1521 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,599 Speaker 1: Listen like you know, singles are three. Jay always got 1522 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:23,280 Speaker 1: on the song's four five minutes. Ja, I got another verse. 1523 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,800 Speaker 1: I never thought about this kid go to radio. Oh 1524 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,280 Speaker 1: I know it because the thing with him, I remember, 1525 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't running exxcel. He wouldn't pose with the younger artists 1526 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,400 Speaker 1: on the cover like Fifty would do that. Fifty would 1527 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,120 Speaker 1: stand next to Banks, but he would standing next to Year. 1528 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,200 Speaker 1: Jay wouldn't do a cover with whoever it was. That's 1529 01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,160 Speaker 1: why that segull whant I had to fight for it. Yeah, 1530 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,320 Speaker 1: that was just Jay thing. He just want anybody stand 1531 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,320 Speaker 1: on his own during that beef. Ever, did you did you? 1532 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,600 Speaker 1: What was your mind set at the time? Did you 1533 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,080 Speaker 1: even care? It was just I mean Jacob nas the 1534 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 1: whole rocket versus Yeah, Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely, I can't 1535 01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,840 Speaker 1: um can't be just playing ether around bigs and stuff 1536 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,840 Speaker 1: like yeah, because yeah, it was funny because he when 1537 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,280 Speaker 1: he did the song that Earth came and got me 1538 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,080 Speaker 1: and hip hop was going home, and I was calling 1539 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,160 Speaker 1: the studio like, no, the bridges over, the bridges over, 1540 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 1: we gotta do the bridges over, give him the beat, 1541 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,800 Speaker 1: send the beat down in and then he already had 1542 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,479 Speaker 1: did uh super super ugly. Oh you wanted him to 1543 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 1: rhume over the bridges over? Oh yeah, damn. Was that 1544 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,360 Speaker 1: record that in particular that you believed in that maybe 1545 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,280 Speaker 1: rose to the top that no one else believed in, 1546 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,599 Speaker 1: or no, what's gonna be a hit? Um? Yeah, well 1547 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,559 Speaker 1: probably the young Gun song Can't Can't Stop, Won't say 1548 01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,160 Speaker 1: that was a big Nobody really thought that that was 1549 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,000 Speaker 1: gonna be and um a young and R Ramsey had 1550 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,360 Speaker 1: played the beat for me and it kind of it 1551 01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: reminded me of that clip song um grinding, and it 1552 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,519 Speaker 1: had that kind of that sound too, you know, so 1553 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,560 Speaker 1: sonically it reminded me of that, But I thought the 1554 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,559 Speaker 1: hook was bigger on that song. So I had believed 1555 01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,559 Speaker 1: in that, and that actually was one of our biggest 1556 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,920 Speaker 1: songs that rockefell. I think we got maybe about eight 1557 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,679 Speaker 1: house and spins on that. It was almost a number 1558 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,840 Speaker 1: one record. Speaking of clips, push your tee shout at 1559 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,080 Speaker 1: you out, kare, What did you think of that? Yeah, yeah, 1560 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,880 Speaker 1: push your teeth and showing a lot of love. He um, 1561 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,639 Speaker 1: you know said my name in a couple of songs. 1562 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,680 Speaker 1: I haven't. I met him for the first time at 1563 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 1: my New York City event for fourth November. First time. Yeah, 1564 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,479 Speaker 1: So I spoke to him in jail because at that time, 1565 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, when I first went to jail, I was 1566 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,000 Speaker 1: still kind of eating good and I think it was 1567 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,080 Speaker 1: my birthday and we had just got some Peter Lucas 1568 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: and so I was eating exactly and he had, uh, 1569 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, sent me a shout out like next year, 1570 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Peter Lucas on me for my next you know, my birthday. 1571 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,840 Speaker 1: It came to year after that. So I had reached 1572 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,559 Speaker 1: out to him and told him, like, I'm doing this event, 1573 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,040 Speaker 1: and he was like, look, I'm just flying in just 1574 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,479 Speaker 1: for that event. So he came in and you know, 1575 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,960 Speaker 1: really supported me. And you know, I send them clips 1576 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,240 Speaker 1: and um, you know, things that's going on with me 1577 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,240 Speaker 1: from time to time, and we never got a chance 1578 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,000 Speaker 1: to sit down and chop it up. But I told him, 1579 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, if there's anything I can help him with, 1580 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, feel free to contact me as well. But 1581 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,120 Speaker 1: he seems like a real, real good guy. Yeah, and 1582 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,600 Speaker 1: I congratulated him to and on the Good Music Presidency 1583 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,919 Speaker 1: that he got over there, so he got a good situation. 1584 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,240 Speaker 1: So what was that conversation with Kanye at the garden? 1585 01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,439 Speaker 1: But we just spoke briefly, so you know, he at 1586 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,360 Speaker 1: tapped me and then you know, thank me for coming, 1587 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 1: and he was going in to change the um, you know, 1588 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,479 Speaker 1: to go out there. And then I've seen him again, 1589 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,960 Speaker 1: and I just told him how proud I was, you know, said, look, man, 1590 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,600 Speaker 1: I remember the beginning because Kanye. We would talk for 1591 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,240 Speaker 1: hours and Kanye would be like, eight bigs, how do 1592 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,439 Speaker 1: I keep a million dollars? He said, I keep making money, 1593 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,680 Speaker 1: but I don't know how to keep it, Like, how 1594 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,320 Speaker 1: do I how do you have a million dollars? How 1595 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:36,760 Speaker 1: do you do it? You know? So me and him 1596 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,000 Speaker 1: would talk for hours about saving money back then. You know, 1597 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,240 Speaker 1: you got some tips for us. Jim Jim Jones always 1598 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,120 Speaker 1: talking about that too, because I had told him about 1599 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the last time when the market crash. I was like, Jim, 1600 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough time right now, start saving 1601 01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,640 Speaker 1: your money. And he was like, man, you know how 1602 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,320 Speaker 1: much money I lost in the market and this and 1603 01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,439 Speaker 1: that big. And it's funny because he just hit me 1604 01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,760 Speaker 1: the other day because I had picked Balling too for 1605 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,679 Speaker 1: really Yeah. So I would always listen to his albums 1606 01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,400 Speaker 1: and take off records and tell him to do this, 1607 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,160 Speaker 1: And when he had that, I was like, trust me, 1608 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,120 Speaker 1: this is it. Go with that song. So he never 1609 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,320 Speaker 1: puts out an album unless I listened to it. He 1610 01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,639 Speaker 1: just text me two days ago. It's like, I'm sending 1611 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,920 Speaker 1: you songs. I'm about to put out music. I want 1612 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 1: you to listen to it, but she's not gonna bless 1613 01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,120 Speaker 1: the world with the music. If kind of like halfway 1614 01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,080 Speaker 1: and halfway out with it, try to put you back 1615 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,599 Speaker 1: here they are. But you know I loved it as 1616 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,479 Speaker 1: that's what it is. Well, I before we go again. 1617 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,040 Speaker 1: In the meantime, fourth of November is the focus. How 1618 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,559 Speaker 1: do we get our hands on this? Man? I want? 1619 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Can I get a can we get a deal back? Yeah? Yeah, down, 1620 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:46,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna move. We need that baby. Yeah is hot? Yeah, 1621 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,640 Speaker 1: look at that handil But yeah, a little discount of 1622 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:56,599 Speaker 1: least big friends and family right there. Yeah, you could 1623 01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,880 Speaker 1: get us online e commerce and yeah, yeah, you got 1624 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,439 Speaker 1: a fourth in November Calm and we got um well 1625 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,640 Speaker 1: we got limited product on there. I mean selling out 1626 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: so fast, but food action too, So we're in foot 1627 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,759 Speaker 1: Action stores and in June we'll be going into Macy's 1628 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,880 Speaker 1: as well. So how mans are you? Are you with it? 1629 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,080 Speaker 1: Like you pick all the designs or I don't? Um, 1630 01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,320 Speaker 1: I know they have they have a lot of design 1631 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,719 Speaker 1: um go. We have a great designer guy named Carlos, 1632 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,320 Speaker 1: great guy and this was his vision. That was actually 1633 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,120 Speaker 1: his parents that you know why he named it fourth 1634 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,880 Speaker 1: in November. But um yeah, I would help with it, 1635 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,880 Speaker 1: so manbe some things I might add to it to 1636 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,720 Speaker 1: take away, but you know, the idea and everything comes 1637 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,000 Speaker 1: from him and um and Ray do to This is dope. 1638 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,400 Speaker 1: November Biggs Man Big, the longest interview Big has never done. 1639 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:47,080 Speaker 1: Thank you Complex next Yeah now, Bigs, we really appreciate it. Man, 1640 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's a good right. Our podcast 1641 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:09,640 Speaker 1: septeen t th years at Year Year Unit Union