WEBVTT - Eric Benet: How Stevie Wonder Made Him Think Twice Before Posting 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.680 Did you ever get lost in that though? Did it 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:02.480 ever define you? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:02.640 Like? 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.200 Yeah, for a while I felt defined by it until 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:12.280 I started to redefine what it was to take accountability, 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.320 because accountability isn't just saying I fucked up I did this. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:22.079 Accountability is saying I fucked up, I did this. But 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.560 let me just try to take full accountability for the 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.760 mistakes that I made, regardless of the reasons why I 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.240 did them, and then let me try to learn from 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:37.200 those mistakes. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.640 Hey, thanks for watching guys. Today's episode is brought to 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.280 you by Boosmos. Okay, we got a music icon in 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.240 the building today. Who has been Rockinstace, the nineteen. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.240 Hundreds Woo eighteen hundred. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.120 Chart topping hit maker. Many would say, an R and 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:52.760 B sex symbol. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:53.760 Let's say such a thing. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.320 Many people, including Essence in twenty ten, they said that 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.320 also one of the most outspoken and funny artists that 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.600 you can follow social media right now. I said this 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.520 to him when he walked in. One of my favorite 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:08.200 things is watching the many incarnations of Eric Bennet and 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.080 how you have navigated and how you are here now 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:12.880 and how you took a did you take a city 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:13.440 bike over here? 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.840 Did always I'll get New York and I'll just hop 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:16.319 on the bike. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.720 You know, I feel like you've been riding the wave 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:20.679 of your career and your life in that type of 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.880 way from the outside. I don't know from the inside, 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.000 but I feel like there's been so many times that 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.360 you're this guy. Why is my phone? Did I not 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:28.039 shut it off? 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.080 Shut up people texting me? You said, ooh, ask Eric? 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:31.920 Did ask Eric? 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:32.039 No? 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.800 I feel like you came in the game and you were. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.080 Like a certain thing. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:38.360 What was the thing? 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:38.920 It was? 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:43.320 It was a barefoot bohemian smelling like a pack of incense. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:47.560 Neo so I don't like that time. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.320 I know you hate neil so artists. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:50.960 That's what I was. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:52.600 And how did you feel in that box? 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.360 I felt like some of it was kind of true, 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.320 because I feel like incenses. You enjoy some incense. And 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.480 I was I was a holistic person, but I think my. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:08.480 My personality was closer to that of like an Oakland, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:13.519 California person, because in Oakland they'll be into the chakras 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.000 and the instance, but they'll be like, you look at 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:21.000 me the wrong way, you get cut my fucker, don't 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:21.360 get this. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.079 So I think I was more of a mixture of that, but. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.640 I remember, I remember very distinctly, and I was also 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:34.359 I have always been this goofy personality that people see online. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.600 But I remember specifically in a publicity meeting at A 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.919 and not A and R. But when I was first 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.720 signed to Warner Brothers and me always doing voices and 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.680 cracking jokes and being goofy. I remember having this conversation, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:54.040 we're marketing you as like this sexy, smooth like. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.399 In public in and interviews just toned down that goofy shit. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.520 And so did they say those words basically yes, And 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:07.919 it kind of that kind of stuck, making me feel like, Okay, 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.800 if I want this to work, I'm gonna let this 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.320 part of myself show, but maybe hold back to goofy Milwaukee. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.480 Dude, Oh that doesn't sound fun. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.400 It wasn't un fun. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.080 It just didn't feel one hundred percent authentic, you know. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.160 But I think once you get to a certain age, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:35.080 you stop considering what you are supposed to look like 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.400 and then you just start being what you are. And 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.200 and then that was right around the time that I 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.200 discovered like TikTok and instant and shit. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.360 Oh, so this is a recent kind of well, the 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:53.200 discovery of being authentic isn't recent, but the introduction to 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.720 that part of myself to the world public is recent. 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.600 Yes, because that was like, like, I don't know what 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.960 I've been on TikTok, like for not even four years, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:04.120 I don't even know something. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.240 It feels in modern times, it feels very recent. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.440 It feels very and relatively speaking, in my career, it 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:11.280 has been recent. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.640 And in the first comments were like, wait, hold up, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:16.080 is this barefoot Eric Breney? 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:18.599 Did he just say nigga? 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:19.800 What you know? 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.760 So it's it was a lot of that, but yeah, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.599 it was a relief to be able to of course 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.800 it is, and it always is when you feel like 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.719 what any situation you're in, if you feel like you're 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.880 not being completely authentic, when you finally are, it feels 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.840 so good. And then to have people affirm that. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.560 Like, where the fuck was this dude? 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:43.640 We like him? 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.440 We like him, like y'all like me this whole time? 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.520 You mean you like me the whole time. So I've 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.120 been right here, I go right, I've been right here. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.719 Trying to be mister smooth, suave, and shit, it's not really. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.039 Mean, does it, does it? 0:04:59.040 --> 0:04:59.240 Ever? 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:00.920 Like if you look like old. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.800 Sometimes I look at old, old photo shoots and I 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.919 was like, oh man, look at me. I'm trying to 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.480 do what they call it today, the looks maxing right there. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.320 I'm trying to do the blue steel in that picture. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.719 You know, it worked for some You got you on 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.080 some of the sexiest man lists. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.880 We got the rent paid for a little while. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.160 It got it got, it got the ladies going. It 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.479 got the ladies going. And you were you know, you 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.480 were a singer. You probably served you in some type 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.279 of way. Yeah, who were you before that? Though? Like 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:28.720 who were you? 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.840 The nerd? The nerd like in school and like I 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:38.240 was the reading science fiction, sketching comic book stuff, doing. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.719 Art, singing, listen. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.359 Singing, Yeah, singing, But singing to me was such a 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:44.799 what did I want to say? 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.279 Singing to me was such a reflex like like like 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.680 like like a visceral thing, like like something I didn't 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.400 even have to think about, So I didn't even think 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.719 about It's interesting, I don't know how to put it. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.840 I didn't even think about singing something that. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.560 I did as an interest as much as it was 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:04.920 like just who you are? 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:05.599 Just what it? 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.680 Yeah, it was like just like you got two years 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.840 it's like, oh shit, Yeah, singing is just. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.400 Part of me your whole life. Yeah, pretty much. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.920 Because my I'm the youngest in this group of super 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:22.200 musical siblings and uh, father and mom just loved music 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.479 and had their own distinctive music collections. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.440 And all my siblings sang. We sang in harmony, we 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.520 played instruments. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.800 We that's what That's what home life was for me, 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.640 to the point where I thought everybody's family was like this, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.480 you know, just like on Sunday everybody ate dinner. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.760 I thought everybody like harmonized and shit, and it was 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.560 like and then I remember. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.159 Being surprised in school when it's music time how many 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.680 people had no sense of pitch? 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.720 Well do you like? 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:05.080 Yeah, like seven, you know when the kids around you, Yeah, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.120 why why are you two whole steps above the key 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.280 of the song, Like like are you deaf? And so 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.640 I'm thinking this kid is maybe this kid is deaf. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:14.840 So it's wrong. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.080 Yeah, something's wrong with you because it was so like anyway, 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.560 but yeah, music has just been been me. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:22.440 It's just who you are. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:23.000 Yeah. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.960 It took a minute for me to realize, oh, maybe 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.200 I could do a career this, But again, it was 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.040 weird because to me, it was just like walking. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.120 It's like, what am I going to do? Make pay 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:33.560 me for this? 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.360 People would pay me to just like sing and shit. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:43.680 And it wasn't until puberty when I realized. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.080 Girls like this, Oh my god. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.480 And then, like I said, I was just like little 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.800 nerdy dude who was always doing something that the rest 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.680 of the guys weren't doing. So and then when I 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.120 was like, nobody really knew I could sing, and I 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.480 never really volunteered for any solos or thing until it 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.600 was like seventh grade and I was like, fuck it, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.320 let me enter this talent show and I sang like 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:11.680 Lionel Richie's. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.920 Truly who I brought the house down? 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.040 Is there a video of that anywhere? 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.520 I hope so. But you know, we were lucky to 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:21.720 have electricity back then. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.640 Yea video. You don't have a video of it. But 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:24.440 I remember there. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.360 Was this girl, Vicky Stanton. 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:28.080 Where is she? 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.600 I have no fucking clue, but I remember back before 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:36.520 I sang truly, Vicky did not. I was. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.640 I was just like, oh that's Eric. He's like a 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.920 little weird, little nerd guy. And I'd be like I 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.920 didn't even know how to talk to Vicky when I 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.960 sang truly. The next day, Vicky was at my locker 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.800 with her eyes a Google eyed, and I was like, 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.800 got her. I think I got some shit right here, right. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:00.720 So I'm always surprised how many people, how many men 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:02.120 have launched a. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:08.000 Career yeah based on Yeah, women that testosterone to run 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:08.600 your brain. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.439 There's so many of you that I've interviewed, and I'm thinking, oh, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.640 it must because you know their parent of this. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:15.839 There was a girl. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.800 It was a girl, And I got so many girls. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.319 I thought, this's going to be my life right right right, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.439 So funny, but especially at that time when you're at 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.079 that twelve thirteen years old, when you're so nerdy and 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.520 insecure and you don't know how to talk to people, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.320 and then you discover this almost like superpower you have 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.559 and it's like, oh shit, I will. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.120 Wield this sword with responsibility. So it was that kind 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.360 of vibe. It was like, Oh, this is some powerful 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:45.120 shit I got. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.600 So what were you doing with that powerful shit? At 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.319 the age of past forward ten years to eighteen twenty. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:56.440 At eighteen twenty and again, as much as the whole 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.760 Vicky Stanton story and the wielding the power of the 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:01.880 voice and all that shit. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.120 I never really. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.280 Put two feet down, two feet down and said my 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.880 career is going to be music, because, you know, for 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.240 a bunch of reasons. I think it was part of 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.040 that ingrained black mom and dad who were like, you've 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.920 got to go to college and okay, music, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.480 but you got to have a solid degree. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.679 And even your parents, I'm surprised, yes, music lovers. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.280 Well, my father, mainly my dad. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:38.160 He was like this frustrated, cultured dude who became a 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.560 policeman and a detective out of necessity in Milwaukee. But 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.000 he was really cultured and he wanted more for us. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:50.680 And oddly enough, I told my dad, like, right before 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.640 I graduated high school, I was like, Dad, I think 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.120 I want to be a fashion design because I still 0:10:55.240 --> 0:11:01.920 wasn't thinking music equals career, and he was like, fashion designer, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.040 a black man was a fashion like my dad didn't 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.319 have a whole lot of vision. He should have came 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.959 to New York and learned about black men in fashion design. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.440 But so basically I spent a year or a year 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.600 and a half in college and then around nineteen, my 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.080 cousin George called me and told me that there was 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:28.959 a band, a relatively successful band in Milwaukee, nobody who 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.880 had any national fame or anything, but they were they 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.120 were always doing performing at the hot clubs and they 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.240 had radio spots. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.960 So it's like in the name of the band was Girard, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.120 and every every weekend you'd hear commercials about, you know, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.080 after the drag speed way in this park, and also 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.640 there will be Gerard performing, and like, wow, Gerard. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.120 One day and my cousin told me Gerard was looking 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:01.400 for a new lead singer, sister, and I joined your Yard. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.520 And then I was like, all right, I'll see what 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.199 the singing shit does. And then it was like. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.960 No turning back after no turning. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.600 Back after that, because then I got a chance. That 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.719 was my college because for the next. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.520 Couple of years I was in Gerard. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.480 But but the cool thing about being in a corny 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:31.840 band is you get to learn how to work an audience, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.640 especially drunk audiences in the Midwest. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.000 You don't know who really, probably don't really know who 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:38.200 you a. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:40.960 They don't want to hear me sing. They want to 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:45.240 hear the other girl with the tits sing, and it's like, oh, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.280 the black dude what is he gonna sing? So I 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.920 got to like win them over? I got a break 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:51.520 up fights. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.080 Did you have a go to song that you would 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:53.680 win them over? 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:59.480 Well? Whatever was hot? What you know at any given 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.040 time this we were doing Gerard. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:06.240 Every two to three months, we would learn four more 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:11.240 top forty songs, whether it was my prerogative or or 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:12.679 some Madonna song. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.360 Yo, I'm telling you it was. It was the I 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.560 was I kill that shit? You do? 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.320 I kill that Bobby. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:26.240 Brown ship back then. So so whatever was the hottest 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:31.640 at the moment, I'd be like, it's my prerogative. I'd 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.839 be trying to do the Bobby Brown dance, mose and 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.200 ship and there was a rap after that. It was 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.760 like yeah, So, I mean that was my college. That 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:43.240 was learning how to hone my And the other thing 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.600 about Gerard was when you have to learn those songs 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.760 every couple of months, it's like a mechanic taking apart 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.680 of an engine putting it back together. I learned hit 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.280 how to construct a hit song? 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:55.000 Oh smart. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.160 So it was like, you know, we got to go 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.079 in the studio, we got to listen to all the harmonies. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.920 We got to be like, okay, figure out the bass 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.600 and the chords and the boom and the breach around 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.200 and it's a it's a formula a hit song. It's 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:10.120 like it's like three or four formulas, but variations of 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.160 those formulas work. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.360 Oh that's a good bar for life because sometimes people, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.559 especially nowadays, people who try to rush to the end 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.200 goal or they try to get it fast. Yeah, and 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.880 sometimes fast you missed. You missed the work that it 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:23.880 takes for you to be great. So you're gonna be 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.080 fast food. You're gonna be quick fast. You're not gonna 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.520 have the nourishment you saying some shit right now, No, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.680 the nourishment that you get from having that experience. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.119 And I really think a lot of today's artists, to 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.040 the risk of sounding like an old man, it's like 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.800 they skip all those steps. They go from in their 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.200 bedroom to doing something on TikTok and face the camera 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.840 which is awesome, to maybe a viral moment and boom, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.360 throw you on stage, and it's like, you know, but 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.240 you gotta you gotta do a couple of years of 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:05.000 learning what it means to actually be physical on stage 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:10.240 and how that how you maintain your voice, because that's 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.200 there's so many I should open the school up. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.800 You should like a master class. I should do a 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.240 master class. You have a great social media following up, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:19.920 you can send them all that way. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.680 So damn good idea, You're welcome. I feel like this 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.000 is a back to the future moment here, you. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:27.880 Do it. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.840 But no, because there's so many facets to this business 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.200 that a lot of artists tend to skip. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:37.080 Yeah, for sure. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.400 And uh, we didn't. We didn't. And the and another 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.440 cool thing about Gerard was they owned a recording studio. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.680 I know, I got it. Every time I hear I 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.200 see the name written, I hear it as they said 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:57.080 it on the radio this weekend, Gerard. But well, oh 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:57.840 so they. 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.360 The Spanish radio station. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:05.320 Sounds like, but it got that Spanish told O, my god, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:12.160 those gee guys him Gerou. 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