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Speaker 2: of it. Hey, we're back in this Friday.

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Speaker 1: What's today's date, sir, March something something?

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Speaker 2: Hey, one day out March seventh, seventh, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: one day out from UFC three thirteen. So welcome on

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Speaker 2: in to not just MK Friday. How about UFC three

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Speaker 2: thirteen pregame preview brought to you by Queer Voe. Let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's go. Brian Campbell at the controls right here. You

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Speaker 2: know this man as the iceman, Chuck Minden Hall, the

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Speaker 2: man in the hat from Yeah man from Yahoo Sports.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: We will be seeing Luke Thomas in about ten more minutes.

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Speaker 2: He is a victim of Amtrak.

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Speaker 1: This morning.

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Speaker 2: I saw that which the problems, which does happen from

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Speaker 2: time to time. Chuck, This audience loves you. Yeah, tell

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Speaker 2: them how you're doing right?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. You know what this reminds me of

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Speaker 3: There was a time at the mmy beat. We're waiting

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Speaker 1: Same thing he's had.

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Speaker 3: This is this, This about fifteen years of problems with Amtrak,

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Speaker 3: with Amtrak.

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Speaker 1: A long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Normally we link these problems to Luke Thomas directly, but

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Speaker 2: we'll blame it on Amtrak this time around, no question

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Speaker 2: about it. And Chuck, look, I don't should I have

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Speaker 2: to say this every time? Should I always have to

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Speaker 2: on the other shows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but here on pregame.

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Speaker 2: Preview, brought to you by Quervo, we speak in one language,

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Speaker 2: and one language only real talk like men do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the most pregnant pause I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: So you know it's not gonna be Oh, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: it'll be a fun fight and both teams will win. No,

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Speaker 2: let let's let's bring it today.

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Speaker 1: Ten seconds of dead air before that, I liked it.

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Speaker 2: That was that was melt me, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: All right, well, Chuck, we might as well if we're

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Speaker 2: going to kick off the festivities one day out from

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Speaker 2: UFC three thirteen, which goes down of course Timo Berna

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas and boyd we have a banger. Well

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Speaker 2: I just met her, so sir, excuse me, an Rby's

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Speaker 2: here of a main event for the light heavyweight title

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Speaker 2: defends that strap looking for his fourth defense when he

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Speaker 2: of the video game, Magomed and Caliev cannot wait for this,

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Speaker 2: But Chuck, we're gonna act like men here. Okay, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna get down a shout out to our our friends

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Speaker 2: over there at Quervo. And today's show, of course, as

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Speaker 2: you already know, is brought to you by Cuervo. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of Quervo, now is as good a time as that

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Speaker 2: ever to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. So Chuck,

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Speaker 2: the traditional El Tequila Blanco is our choice today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's get after it. All right, all right,

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Speaker 3: let's say what do we got here? Yeah, eleven eleven.

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Speaker 1: Chuck.

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Speaker 2: You just say when Chuck, okay, keep.

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Speaker 1: Going six fingers, Come on now, No, I'm gidding. That's good,

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Speaker 2: Uh, we normally do the Colombian sign of the cross

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Speaker 2: pendejo abarrijo Uh ask him laf incorporated. You know we're

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Speaker 2: That is a smooth tra smoother than MMA fighters on

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Speaker 2: There, Chuck. As we look at this, as we take

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Speaker 2: What about the depth of this card? Can you give

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Speaker 3: I think there's a pretty stiff fall off from the

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Speaker 3: It was a very bloody affair, but we have seen it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much the public was demanding that

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Speaker 1: But this is just that I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking, I don't know. Is it the King of

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Speaker 2: It's roofy rufey. Okay, so that voice you're hearing Our producer,

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Speaker 1: You know that I do know that guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great guy, great have metal.

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Speaker 3: So if I was to place a letter on the

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Speaker 2: Very generous, very generous, What would you give it?

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Speaker 1: What would you give it?

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Speaker 2: I want to see the tarantula come back after the

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Speaker 2: It's just not okay.

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Speaker 2: Arguably the most exciting, most valuable, most popular fighter in

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like we jingsimh.

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Speaker 2: Does it matter if we give ankle I all this

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Speaker 3: You're talking about the Paul Craig, Yeah, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: Little is this the quervo talking wild right now? But

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Speaker 2: name is Luke Thomas. Luke, Welcome to the show. We're

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Speaker 2: not holding anything against you. In fact, we're holding the

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Speaker 2: She's us. She's out there.

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Speaker 1: She's doing great. Yeah, she's doing great.

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Speaker 2: Did you take her on the New York subway system.

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Speaker 5: We did it, which, by the way, I took the

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Speaker 2: After that, at any point where she like, Dad, these

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Speaker 5: Also also, just in fairness with Brian, she's wearing noise

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Speaker 1: Now that's a very smart It does run.

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Speaker 2: Into Thomas family. I've been behind him at train station,

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Speaker 1: That's how I he's always you always have something in

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be talking to you. Look, sorry, everyone,

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Speaker 5: glad to be welcome to the show. The way I

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Speaker 5: want to say this, Yeah, I think the three thirteen card.

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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty.

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Speaker 2: Good, and I say I want to be a hater

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Speaker 2: and give it worse but better. Fight is the most

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Speaker 2: anticipated non out of Soignia Praier fight for me by far.

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Speaker 2: That carries so much weight along with the comane which,

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Speaker 1: Here's my It's.

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Speaker 2: Not the veiggest one in March, but it doesn't suff

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Speaker 5: Here's my basic elevator pitch for this. Okay, obviously you're

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Speaker 1: Yes, the best poton fight.

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Speaker 5: As you indicated, non is the addition and frankly the

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Speaker 1: And here's the issue.

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Speaker 5: I would say down the line, do the matchups themselves

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Speaker 5: have like that? Connor Ben, Chris Eubank. I'm gonna slap

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Speaker 5: you in the face with an egg rivalry. No, it

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Speaker 5: has none of that. But if you actually look at

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Speaker 5: Josh Van versus Race.

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Speaker 2: I like this optimism out.

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Speaker 1: I think i'd go a little higher of a solid

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Speaker 2: Well what that is. And Luke I did want to

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Speaker 2: is brought to you by Quervo, and Luke I would say, now,

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Speaker 2: I would say, now you need it's as good time

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Speaker 2: as any to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. Do

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Speaker 2: you have someone that which one we are having?

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Speaker 1: The Blanco Blancos.

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Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, I will go another shot of Arlene

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Speaker 2: Blanco right here if you're interested.

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Speaker 1: All right, I bet you look creep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, okay, tiny years behind those headphones over there. Wow,

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Speaker 1: That's like men doing it right.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is great.

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Speaker 1: It's not a rough morning. He is, but but.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, you're you've been mister mom this whole week.

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Speaker 5: She can't hear.

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Speaker 2: She's watching Spider Man, Yes, all right, she a big

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, we're gonna get back into the main

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Speaker 2: event here. I want to I want to offer this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it matters, but it has been

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Speaker 2: Catch that interview today. It's going up today. But you know,

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Speaker 2: is it something else? You know, ultimately like that setting

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Speaker 2: we're like, is that the next one number one ankle

439
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,000
Speaker 2: I have had to go through and Alexander Racket, who

440
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,360
Speaker 2: was coming off with two fight losing skid. So it's

441
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,360
Speaker 2: like they've stretched this out in a theory as much

442
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 2: as they can, and they put this fight during Ramadan,

443
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 2: which is a big part of an Kaliav's sort of

444
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 2: pre fight narrative in terms of the challenges. He's been

445
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,360
Speaker 2: breaking a fast to have water during training, but it's

446
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 2: been a major challenge for him. True or false here,

447
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm not asking you to buy fully into the conspiracy

448
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 2: Theoryson's protected, but Poton has received every possible benefit of

449
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,880
Speaker 2: the doubt in the build to this fight.

450
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 1: Correct. There is simply no denying it.

451
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 5: Not only do we know it's true in this case,

452
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 5: we've lived through other versions of this. I'll never forget

453
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 5: when the UFC made McGregor versus Dennis sever when the FRANKI.

454
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 5: Edgar fight was sitting basically right there. It's the same

455
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,440
Speaker 5: argu Listen, does everyone get the same treatment with management? No,

456
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 5: I'm not here to say that's fair or great or awesome,

457
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 5: but it is a fact of life. It's just how

458
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 5: things go. There's simply no denying that they match made

459
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 5: Poeton in a favorable way through light heavyweight. There's no

460
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 5: denying that they waited for on Caliav to kind of

461
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 5: slowly cuver.

462
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, he also fucked things up.

463
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 5: He was supposed to be if he was gonna be Blahovich,

464
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 5: he was gonna move to the front line. He messed

465
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 5: that up, which I think they made them lose confidence.

466
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 2: And he got angry. He got into it a bit

467
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,879
Speaker 2: with the promotion, and I think that didn't help him.

468
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: Fire fair enough.

469
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 5: But here's the point I wanted to make. They did

470
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 5: the same thing with McGregor. Why because they wanted to

471
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 5: make sure he had just enough time to get his

472
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 5: wrestling where it needed to be. Because once you graduate

473
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 5: to the Mendezes and the Edgars and the Aldos, they

474
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 5: never fly agerb you know it mean that level of

475
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 5: the game, there's no going back, right, There's simply no

476
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 5: going back at that point. Poaton saved that company in

477
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,400
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, he said this week he's the face

478
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 5: of the company. I absolutely believe that in terms of

479
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 5: the fighters, Dan is the face of the company. But

480
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 5: in terms of the fights, that's absolutely one hundred percent true.

481
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: No question in my mind.

482
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 5: This is what they do to preferred stars at the

483
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 5: same time, as you mentioned with the Blahovic thing, he

484
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 5: kind of messed it up. And the other point is okay, dude,

485
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 5: fair enough, all that didn't go your way. This is

486
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 5: your chance to undo all of it all in one

487
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 5: fell swoop. You can get rid of all the unfairness,

488
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 5: all of the delays, all of the suffering, all of

489
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 5: the waiting.

490
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: This is his chance.

491
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 5: They're gonna They did it with McGregor, they did it

492
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 5: with Poeton, They'll do it with somebody else in the future.

493
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 5: This is his chance to upend the I.

494
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: Don't disagree with any of that.

495
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 1: Chuck.

496
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: We before Luke stepped in. We're talking about the idea

497
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: is an Kaliv actually the talented, decorated wrestler that that

498
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 2: has been this pre fight narrative that has been built around.

499
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,479
Speaker 2: I want to flip that on the other side and

500
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 2: ask you specifically what I just tease. Is it that

501
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: Perrera hasn't been tested at all in the wrestling maybe

502
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: beyond the Blokhovic fight, or is it that part of

503
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 2: the secret sauce of him transitioning from kickboxing to be

504
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 2: this great this early at MMA with Glover to Shera

505
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: in Connecticut in his corner that we would have found

506
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: out by now if he was a fraud, wouldn't we have?

507
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: I think so.

508
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: But you know, like with the uh you know, and

509
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 3: I did the reverse thing you did. I spoke to

510
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 3: the whole camp with Perrera and spend some time with them,

511
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 3: and they they mentioned and I kind of this kind

512
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: of echoes. I think your point a little bit that

513
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 3: they wanted more time, probably to train wrestling. And I

514
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: think that round Tree, that camp, they spent a ton

515
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 3: of time, a ton of time training wrestling, thinking he

516
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 3: may shoot.

517
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: But I also think it was.

518
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 3: An eye towards what was going to be inevitable, which

519
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 3: was this next fight. You know, if you if they're

520
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: taking anything for granted, it might have been round Tree

521
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 3: a little bit. It might have been like, let's just cramped,

522
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 3: you know, let's just get together and start to work

523
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 3: on the things that we know are going to need

524
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: for both of these fights. And I think that they believe.

525
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: And Plina Cruz was one of the guys who laid

526
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: it down for me. He's like, you know, who's been

527
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 3: able to wrestle us. You can make the point that

528
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: nobody has really sold out to try.

529
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you give Yon? He kind of

530
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: just bid time on the ground.

531
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: They kind of do that mm A math thing where

532
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: they're like, you know, we beat Yan pretty handily. We

533
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: beat Yon, whereas Uncle Leo they thought Jan beat him

534
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: and they kind of we walked out of there like

535
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: old bj Penn thing like we went to the bar,

536
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: whereas when you know, when he thought, you know, he

537
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: went to the hogs and yeah, exactly. So it was

538
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: like they're kind of they're they're looking at it from

539
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: a whole different standpoint. Do I think that they're sleeping

540
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: a little bit on the the idea that he may

541
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: get wrestled? And I was there for a couple of

542
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: days at the camp. I thought so, I was like,

543
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 3: it feels to me a little bit like they may

544
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: be underestimating their real Let.

545
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: Me go back into that idea of is Ankhala of

546
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: that wrestler. We can show enough stats to show you

547
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: that he hasn't either needed to be or tried to

548
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: be that wrestler in a while. But if he wants to,

549
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: can he weaponize this? This is a central tension in

550
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: this fight. Do you believe that he can weaponize the

551
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: wrestling not just take Potan down but weaponize it enough

552
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: to win the fight. Based on that, Do I.

553
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 5: Think he has the relevant and requisite skills to do it?

554
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Yes? I do. I do think that.

555
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: But he I mean they I don't know what they

556
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 5: called him in y'all's you know comments section, but in

557
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 5: mind they calling him don't alive he's.

558
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: A fucking don Okay. Is it? Is it a little

559
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: fight IQ thing or is it just mistake prone or

560
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: what is it?

561
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a little fight IQ. Yeah.

562
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 5: I mean when you watch him with the relevant skills,

563
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 5: is he some like lights out wrestler?

564
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: No?

565
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: No, real quick we pointed out like in the last

566
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 3: he has one takedown attempt.

567
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's three fights. He doesn't really do it that often.

568
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, And again taking down Paul Craig, who kind of

569
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: wants to go down is a little bit right, you know,

570
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 5: it's not quite the same thing. Plus also like is

571
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 5: he a big two of five or he's not?

572
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: Right?

573
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 5: So, I mean alkalaiav is but not not Craig. So

574
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 5: I mean the issue is Kenny get him down. The

575
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 5: the what you have to think about is I you know,

576
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 5: I tend to think that what you're gonna see from poton.

577
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 5: If on Caliav even gets it, there is maybe up

578
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 5: against the fence, he'll be pretty good poton and then

579
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 5: maybe you know, a single attempt to like you know,

580
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 5: get his hips down or whatever. It's the chain wrestling

581
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 5: where I think he gets into trouble. And I think

582
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 5: that's where it is. He has gotten into trouble too

583
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: when guys like put one or two or three of

584
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 5: them behind learning how to chain wrestle guys who are

585
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 5: good at it, they make it look like effortless, like oh,

586
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 5: it's just obvious.

587
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: You just go no, it's very very difficult to do.

588
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 5: It just comes down to, like dude is on klaia

589
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 5: of the guy to pursue the fight in the smartest

590
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 5: possible terms. I gotta tell you, I don't have great

591
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 5: confidence in that.

592
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: Well.

593
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest holes in his game

594
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 2: is his calf strike defense. Like you can light him

595
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: up to the legs, dud there kicks.

596
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 5: He was getting drilled for a minute on end over

597
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 5: multiple rounds, and I'm like, take him down about a

598
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 5: time he did it. He was The fight was a

599
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 5: little bit different at that point, but you know, so

600
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: much had been lost already and then of course they

601
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: ended up being a draw.

602
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: And he wasn't effective for the first bunch until later

603
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: in the fight. Right, Like, so, but.

604
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: Would you say cash strikes are like a real secret

605
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: part of Poton's offense where he kind of puts you

606
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: worthy where he wants you to be to set you

607
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: up for that finishing shot.

608
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 6: Right.

609
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: That could be a central tension point here.

610
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that they believe that they will be

611
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: able to control the range that way, like they'll be

612
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: able to beat him up.

613
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: I do worry like you.

614
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 3: I think the thing I was going to point out

615
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: with what you just said, if it's a chain wrestling

616
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: type of thing, does he just break at some point

617
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: because that you're taking away then his his his offense.

618
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: You're tying them up, you're making it boring. But if

619
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: he's smart, that is the way you get the title, right.

620
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: I think that that's the surest way if he wants

621
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: to trade, If he wants to go in there and

622
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: trade and try to knock him out, to try to

623
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: play up the narrative that he's more exciting than he's

624
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: getting credit for.

625
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: I just don't see that ending.

626
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: He needs to drop that subscription mentally, he needs to

627
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: go back to any means necessary.

628
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: Imagine.

629
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 5: Imagine, I imagine I said that Poeton was fighting Cormier

630
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 5: and you'd say, oh, well, Cormie is gonna take him

631
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 5: mumb because the pedigree. But that's not what I mean.

632
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 5: What I mean is one of his favorite setups was

633
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 5: outside single had a high crotch, and then he would

634
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 5: pull someone out and then he would trip the post.

635
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: Leg and then he would get him down and go.

636
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 5: If you could believe that on Calive could do something

637
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 5: like that, this would not be very much of a debate.

638
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 5: But it's like, I don't know if on Calive can

639
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: a even do what Cormia can do number one and

640
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 5: number two. Even if he could, is he going to

641
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 5: even This is the crazy part. Is he going to

642
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 5: even elect to do something like that. I'm gonna go

643
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: out there and stay with him and see what happens.

644
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 5: You think Cormei is gonna do that shit? You think

645
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 5: John Jones would do that shit? It's just fucking bananas.

646
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: But this is the state of line heavyweight in twenty

647
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: twenty five.

648
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see a scenario Anklive gets so

649
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: comfortable in his own striking if he gets out because

650
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: he's a South Paul, He's long. There's a lot of

651
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: things to like in theory about the technique in his game,

652
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: the structure, that the power that he brings six foot three,

653
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: which pairs well against Pooton. But you linger in that pocket,

654
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: I know, you know, even for a second, look at

655
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: what happened to Sean Strickland, Like that's that's what you're

656
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: up against. And if you are first team all donk,

657
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: then that could it. But on the flip side, what

658
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 2: if you pull out Pooton's gas tank from the very beginning.

659
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: I mean he he hit rough stretches again in the

660
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: first Izy fight, for sure. Now the fact that he

661
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: rallied the fifth round to knock him out is part

662
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: of his legend for sure.

663
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: But like, oh, you haven't seen him putting that in

664
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: deep water like that, you know, really you really haven't

665
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: seen him in those in that type of situation he

666
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: goes five hard rounds.

667
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: I was sorry.

668
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: There's so many like little red flags you could point

669
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: to within his camp. You know, he was in Australia

670
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: just a couple of weeks before and they said that

671
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: he was training over there, but I mean, straight up yeah,

672
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: and I mean Volkanovski. You remember when he started to

673
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: have his downfall. He did the same thing with to

674
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico from Australia. He had a bunch of option

675
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: in his camp and he goes in there and he

676
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 3: gets blasted. So I'm not saying these are correlated, but

677
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: like in the that is a little bit of a

678
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: red flag and it's like, so he comes back and

679
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 3: I was talking to Golover about this and he said, dude,

680
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: he wanted he landed on Monday. By Tuesday he wanted.

681
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: I was like, let's do three rounds. He's back into it.

682
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: He's like, let's do five. He talks about him like

683
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: he's just, you know, this relentless force. And I was

684
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: around them a little little bit to see it. He

685
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 3: does go hard, but that's a lot to ask if

686
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: you do put together that kind of thing where it's

687
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: just the soul sapping like a can't we say that

688
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: as a general proposition?

689
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: He's older? Was he thirty seven? Now? Yes? Yes?

690
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: I do think though, and especially under coach Leno and

691
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: Coach Lover to share in particular, don't we agree that

692
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: Poeton is a fast learner?

693
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't you feel that way.

694
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: I don't mean to parrot talk you Rogan style, but

695
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: the fastest when.

696
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: You're talking, when you're talking about the IQ, I think

697
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: he's got a very high IQ, super high fight IQ.

698
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 5: It seems like, again, I don't imagine he's going to

699
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 5: be amazing chain wrestler, even in the best of scenarios,

700
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 5: but as a general proposition for a guy thirty seven

701
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 5: in a secondary sport, granted a close one, but still

702
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: he learns pretty fucking quickly how to get the guys going.

703
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: So so to me, it's like, I don't know, man,

704
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 5: it's I think he's gonna win this one.

705
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: I got in UFC is ten and one with seven KOs,

706
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: He's won two world titles and he's defeated everyone.

707
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: He was about to just mela like that's Saint Pierre's ship.

708
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, had a longer run.

709
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: Obviously he got Chaot in that, but it didn't slow

710
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: him down.

711
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: And also the point you to the point you raised,

712
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 5: did we see him struggle with Bolhovich positionally in certain cases, yes,

713
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 5: but the only time you ever saw him in like

714
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 5: big trouble was when he rung his bell in the

715
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 5: first fight, couldn't capitalize and obviously closed the show, and

716
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 5: the second one that's basically fucking it dude, that's it.

717
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: I mean he was turning it on on Izy when

718
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: he got clipped in that final sequence, which is crazy too.

719
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he he was this close to pulling that

720
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: one out, didn't.

721
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: We used to say Bruno Silva, who took him, who

722
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: fought three rounds against him, exposed him, challenged him, and

723
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: him in that fight in hindsight, was the wrestling.

724
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 5: There was some wrestling involved in that, but in general

725
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 5: Bruno Silva, there was definitely some challenging of his wrestling,

726
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: particularly along the fence line. But in general, I just

727
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 5: think you look at that poeton and then you look

728
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 5: at the one you get now, it's just he again

729
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 5: turns of fast learning, quick evolving. I feel like he's

730
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: way different than that. Imagine if they thought today, would

731
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 5: you have even the slightest doubt he's going to run

732
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 5: that guy over?

733
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: Like no Yll, especially after crazy Is that just the

734
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: craziest trajectory Because I can remember when he was fighting

735
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: Izzy and it felt like he was just a kickboxer,

736
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: and you'd be like, man, he may be a good

737
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: matchup for Izzy. I remember having this conversation and being like,

738
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: but the other top four guys in the top five

739
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: would probably beat him just based on this information, Like, oh,

740
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: they would just take him down because there were a

741
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: lot of dudes who are very stout wrestling and things

742
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: like that.

743
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: It's just change. It's crazy.

744
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 5: We came up because because I was sorry GBC, we

745
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 5: came up at a time when I've talked about this before.

746
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 5: I'm not here to rehash the point, but there was

747
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: at light heavyweight. Tito wrestled in college, wrestled in college

748
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 5: John and so the notion that a kickboxer wouldn't make

749
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 5: his way over was fucking laughable because he has changed

750
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: and the game has changed, but the best practices have

751
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 5: gotten better. Guys can make the trip, Guys like him

752
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 5: can make the transition quicker, and there aren't as many restaurant.

753
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying, even though he hasn't faced a ton of wrestlers,

754
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: if he was delinquent in that area, we would have

755
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: seen it right now. So maybe we're not talking enough

756
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: about how quickly he learns and what he can add on,

757
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: because it seems to be there's like, you know, there's

758
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: always an an anti or counter conspiratorial or whatever opinion

759
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: on nim Twitter. But now you start seeing people go,

760
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: what if what if Poton's been working so much on

761
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: wrestling that he wants to take un Calith down. It's

762
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: not like an Calive has this noted decorated submission game,

763
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: even though he's got, you know, the full wrestling and

764
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: sambo background. Could we see that? I call it sambo.

765
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: That's what you say.

766
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: I could say it a little bit ra it is.

767
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: It's like rambo, you know.

768
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess what sambo means. But okay, go ahead.

769
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: I thought you can see that happen.

770
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: Can you see this happening? I could see that, like

771
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: the element of surprise a little bit. We talked about

772
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 3: this before. I could see this happening because he he

773
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: does have some you know, some guys in his camp.

774
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: I mean they were working it. I don't you know,

775
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: obviously they work on everything within that camp. Well, now

776
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: what are we saying here?

777
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, I like.

778
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 5: You in an effort to play a little bit of

779
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 5: the Devil's advocate again, I think this is Poeton's fight

780
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 5: to lose.

781
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: I do believe that.

782
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 5: But we should say there is one version of this

783
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 5: fight where on Calia cruises. I don't think it is

784
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 5: the likeliest version now, but when he, for example, on

785
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 5: the first Johnny Walker fight, he fought like a fucking idiot,

786
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: and then in the second Johnny Walker fight, and granted

787
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: Johnny Walker is a pretty far cry from poetry, I understand.

788
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm merely saying the way in which On Calive approached it.

789
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: He just mowed him down.

790
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: Yes, second one it was, and he tried to do that.

791
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: Racket impressed.

792
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: He did try to. He was offensive front.

793
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: Foot, and Rackets is big and strong.

794
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: You probably fought one of his best fights too, So

795
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: I mean, just given that, you know.

796
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: So there is one version where we're like, okay, Poton

797
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: can do this. Poton. There is a version of this fight.

798
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: Ronk Alive goes in there.

799
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: I doubt he wins standing, but probably takes him down

800
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 5: or roughs him up or drains him and then finishes

801
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 5: him off later. I just I just want to verbalize

802
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: that because we haven't really given it a lot of oxygen,

803
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: and it's something you have to take seriously.

804
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to get intimate with this square vo blanco,

805
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: but I want to know. I want you guys to

806
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: entertain this question, All right, win or lose? Is this

807
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: the last fight at two o five for Alex.

808
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Win or lose? No, not win or lose no.

809
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: Because I actually would like to see him against Rocketch,

810
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: even though that's a three fight losing skid for that guy.

811
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: So we got it, We got an Oldberg's got a

812
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: big fight coming up too. I mean that that was

813
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: a fight.

814
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: If he beats if Albert beats Blkhovich, you.

815
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 5: It just seems like, here's the thing. If Poton goes

816
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 5: in there and just demolishes him or a bare minimum

817
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 5: gets a really exciting finish. Yeah, I mean, I just

818
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: feel like the John Jones Tom aspinall gravitational pull and they.

819
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: Know it so fucking huge. But if you lose it,

820
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: they know it too. I mean they know, yeah, they

821
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: know that he's thirty seven. They know that you're cashing

822
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: in right now on anything that's like big that can

823
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: be out there. So if they got like a horizon,

824
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: it looks very nice. If he's able to get through

825
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: this fight, If he goes right through Uncle Ive, I

826
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: would be shocked if he didn't jump up there and

827
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: take one of the like whatever, the biggest fight he

828
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: can get it.

829
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: I will tell you know what's amazing, Like when Connor

830
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 5: came through. I remember at the time we just take

831
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: it for granted now, but when Connor came through, we

832
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 5: were like, man, he's moving so fast. Everything's happening so fast,

833
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: so fast, how quickly he's building. But the truth is,

834
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 5: if you look at guys like Poeton and McGregor and

835
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 5: now to an extent Iliot to Poria, it seems like

836
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 5: the guys that have the best success in terms of

837
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 5: like I'm just gonna keep you know, moving the chains,

838
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 5: it doesn't actually happen slowly. It happens fucking like this

839
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 5: gotta capitalize on and.

840
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: So they're they're part of that mold.

841
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 3: Alexander, you sick you think that that? I mean, who

842
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: knows what the whole tk I think that we'll close

843
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: the show with some.

844
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: Talk about t k O boxing. But but Dana has

845
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: come out and specifically said I do not want any

846
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: UFC fighters crossing over. That's m m A. This is boxing.

847
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it, Sayingana keeps his word, I will

848
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: say that. So that's yeah, he does. He does when

849
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: he said sex would never fight here again.

850
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I think win Or Lewis he's going up because

851
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: he's the He's the break glass in case of emergency,

852
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: and there may be an emergency soon because they don't

853
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: look like they're getting that bones versus Tom asking off.

854
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: I done right now. And I heard Jones manager talk

855
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: to Ariel, and it seems like they're waiting on the

856
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: UFC to raise that number to whatever they're I'm you know,

857
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm doing the facts in my head, but getting to that.

858
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: Number that they was John's manager these days? Cow was?

859
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: Is he back with them?

860
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: It sounded like it, unless I misinterpreted it was tough

861
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: to They had a falling out the Schaeffer and then

862
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened Shaffer's with Canelo. Now he

863
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: showed up a Canelo's conference yesterday, which is which is interesting.

864
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: So what I'm what I'm really saying here is if

865
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: they can't get that, and now I don't know if

866
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 2: that necessarily means, then Jones gives up the title and says,

867
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm done to defending the title. That's not the lane

868
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: I want. Pooton is the antidote for that, Because whether

869
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: you plug him in for the title against aspinall, whether

870
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: you plug him in and one off against John Jones

871
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: and just huge, And I know we'll say, well, why

872
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, blah blah blah, no one would want that,

873
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: or maybe you know we want Jones to go through Aspinall.

874
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: But maybe UFC is thinking, if we can't get that

875
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: and he's going to retire anyway, let's get the fight

876
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: he actually wants. Could you imagine if Pooton defeats Ankliath

877
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: and then if he stopped John Jones at heavyweight and

878
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: then that led him into the full title fight against Aspinall.

879
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: He won't be McGregor, he won't supplant Jones necessarily as

880
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: the goat, But what the hell would we do with

881
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: him at that point?

882
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 5: It'd be like I'd be pretty major unicorn of him

883
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 5: three three belts.

884
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't.

885
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 5: I mean, well, then he'd be the pegasus or something,

886
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like, I'm not even sure him.

887
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: That optimist prime.

888
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 5: Uh, well, the Pegasusts would be the unicorn with the wings,

889
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 5: would it not.

890
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't really get into that

891
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: weird stuffy I have five year old media.

892
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: He'd like a meteor pedasigh or a big deal.

893
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: In my house, I will say He would be the

894
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: the most unlikely thing we've ever seen in m M A.

895
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: I mean to come in from a glory kickboxing, you know,

896
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: so many fights in that and then to come over

897
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: here as kind of a b side to israel I

898
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: sent and to end up a three belt champion.

899
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: And who said it? Who said it on our show?

900
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: I think Luke said it?

901
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: No, he did? You know that the smarter we're talking about,

902
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh yea, yeah, we're talking about say, yes, this is

903
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: the poetons.

904
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: But that was I mean, that was that was a

905
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: little bit. That's pretty sure.

906
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: Is he heard that because he was saying like he

907
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: kept using that story analogy too.

908
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm sure he did. But he pays attention

909
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to you, I mean he doesn't pay attention.

910
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, but I mean if he did that,

911
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: that's just such a that would be one of the

912
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: craziest things up or we've ever seen. This heart is

913
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: not the craziest. That was so insane it's hard to

914
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: actually contextualize. It's hard to make sense what that would be.

915
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: The digerability is insane too, because if sorry, I'll you

916
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: have this. He would have four title defenses. If he

917
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: wins within a twelve month stretch and it would be

918
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: the most in modern history and only second to win.

919
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: That's I think had five in a year when they

920
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: were just needing him to move.

921
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: That's the other thing, being as prolific for an escalating scale,

922
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, going from like Madison Square Garden to UFC

923
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: three hundred, which is this big mega event, to UFC

924
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: three or three where Connor had fallen out and now

925
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: you have to make up for that loss. These are

926
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: this is such an escalating scale of you know, scrutiny

927
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: and like steaks for him to go through that, I

928
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: think that's why people really love him. He doesn't really

929
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: speak English. He just has the stoical stone face. He

930
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: shows up, yeah, trauma and he takes care of business,

931
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: and people are like, dude, this is all I want

932
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: from a fighter, and there's nothing to worry about. He's

933
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: funny when he's on social media. There's there's no no

934
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: racist rants, nothing like that.

935
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: Because he's almost undefeated in the public eye for fans.

936
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: And I always say that about you and the m

937
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: M A s based the fans. The fans just love you.

938
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: You're undefeated. He's more popular than you, though, I will.

939
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Say that I.

940
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: Forgot what I wanted to say, but it was definitely

941
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: inappropriate and awesome.

942
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: You we're going to throw it back to him, What

943
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: were you?

944
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: I was going to say, did you guys look at

945
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: his UH player's tribune piece? Did you get I read

946
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: some of the key lines. I just thought it was

947
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: interesting that. I mean, you know, you kind of get

948
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: a sense of how he grew up. But I think

949
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: that we've heard this from GSP and a couple of

950
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 3: others when they use fear to basically become as great

951
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: as they do. He basically talks about how he's fear driven.

952
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to be knocked out, you know, he's

953
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: afraid of the dark, all these types of things. It

954
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: was just really interesting because I think we haven't had

955
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: major insight into him through his whole run, but this,

956
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: I think, in his own words, it's definitely worth checking

957
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: out that piece because it gives you like a little

958
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: bit of a basis, and you'll only like them more

959
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: because he's just of the things he's overcome in his life.

960
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, considering we have headphones

961
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: for children, whether you thought po Aton whispers Shama in

962
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: the in the in.

963
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Thee after he busts the.

964
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: Nuts in the Coit Deal proceedings right in.

965
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: The I gotta tell you, I haven't thought about him

966
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: busting nuts. I gotta at that.

967
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Let's talk about our predictions. Let's bust some nothing.

968
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: He's driving some nice cars. I think he's uh. He's

969
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: getting whatever he wants out there.

970
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Very much is. And even if ankle I have won,

971
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: I don't think it'd be a death blow to the

972
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: promotion because Pereira's I think, is going up to heavyweight anyway,

973
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: and you could do an immediate rematch because of the

974
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: run there.

975
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: And let's face it, as a very marketable fighter, don't

976
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: let's hit it.

977
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: Look, I want to know what you think here. What

978
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: like we I've been back and forth, man, I've been

979
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: back and forth. I get Pereira as the slight favorite

980
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: between the two, and this pick him. I do get that.

981
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: Ultimately overall, he can he could be. He could lose

982
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: four and a half rounds and end it. That's what

983
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: he is. Where are you going with this?

984
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 5: Give me Poeton unanimous decision?

985
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: Wow?

986
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: I like it.

987
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: So that means he's gonna spend time.

988
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: On his back. He might.

989
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I think listen again, we're kind

990
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: of shitting on Uncle I have a little bit, but

991
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: like the reality is again that is why I kind

992
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 5: of voicted earlier. He does have well rounded skills and

993
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: when he's not making fuck head errors, he actually could

994
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: execute really really really well smoothly dominantly. Dude, you have

995
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 5: to take him seriously. I take him seriously.

996
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: Remembry front kick that dude and dropped.

997
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 5: So I think, don't get me wrong, I think he

998
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 5: can win rounds. I think he can get this fight

999
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 5: dangerously close to I mean, I think he can win absolutely.

1000
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 5: It just seemed. And also here's the thing. He's a survivor.

1001
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 5: Like he made a lot of airs in that Blahovic fight,

1002
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 5: but he also hung on after getting battered right doing something.

1003
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: I think she she may have tried to escape, but

1004
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: she may need you. Okay, I got time.

1005
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: What time out, Chuck?

1006
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: I did want to get your take. Here are you

1007
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: leaning in a certain direction.

1008
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, my esoteric thing that's happening.

1009
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: So I took I took Uncle iab originally and our

1010
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: staff picks at Yahoo. But I the more I've seen

1011
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: the lead up, the more I've changed my mind and

1012
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: it's not just that, not just did that change anything

1013
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: the press a little bit, because that's where I meant

1014
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: by I say, it's it's almost like this this guy

1015
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: who's made for big moments.

1016
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: He's out there with his chest out, he's got.

1017
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: His you know, the whatever, that rug thing he's wearing

1018
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: like he just looks made for these moments, whereas Uncle

1019
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: ive are like, we've seen guys shrink in these types

1020
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: of spotlights when it comes down to it. We've been

1021
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: talking about that acute. There is a little bit also

1022
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: of like this what is this world I'm alighting into?

1023
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: Not to mention the whole Ramadan thing that's going on,

1024
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: I think if you play those X factors together, I

1025
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: think it's too much to overcome. I changed my mind.

1026
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm going with Pereira. Wow, Wow, we.

1027
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: Should probably have a quick creed break. Yeah, what's this fall?

1028
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: I wish I could recognize it through your scene. I don't.

1029
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke doing a great job over there, as a

1030
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: dad shout out to him. In that regard, I'm leaning

1031
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: poton by knockout.

1032
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Here, Okay, I am I could see this now.

1033
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see early what the ankl

1034
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: I have experience could look like with sustained takedowns and

1035
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: all that if but I think he's going to stay

1036
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: on the feet too long in the wrong spot and

1037
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: walk into the wrong situation. And I mean one of

1038
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: the greatest tricks Perera has is he needs that much

1039
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: room and that much time and the fight changes or

1040
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: ends like that. It doesn't matter.

1041
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: Who you are, Uncle I Have.

1042
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 3: If he wins, what's his method, I mean, like, what's

1043
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: his most likely thing, just given everything you know about him?

1044
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: Ground and pound, dry home ground pound, all right, I

1045
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: keep you know when you're kind of envision it, like

1046
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 3: if he's able to count, it would be a ground

1047
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: and pound ending. But you could see a scenario where

1048
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: they just get into it and he just whatever reason

1049
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: lands that shot.

1050
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: It just wappens.

1051
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: Because we've seen Pereerra hurt before in the easy fight. Yes,

1052
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 3: you could see something like that. It just he gets

1053
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: hit with something, gets caught, and then he's on the

1054
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: ground trying to survive.

1055
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Granted both of those at one eighty five true true.

1056
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 5: I think that I think if Uncle i Have wins,

1057
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 5: if it goes to a decision, I think it probably

1058
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 5: favors Poeton actually, and then if he well, I mean

1059
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 5: all the time can get stoppaged too. I'm simply saying, yeah, yeah,

1060
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 5: I don't know. There's a lot of there's you know what,

1061
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 5: I'll take that back. There's actually a lot of scenarios

1062
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 5: in ways this could go. But I think the likeliest

1063
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: of all the possibilities is Poton decision.

1064
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: That's how good is ankliv kicks kickboxing game to be

1065
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: a threat to knock out with a high kick.

1066
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: This guy not that high.

1067
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: The thing actually, I think about when I look at

1068
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 5: their kickboxing as we you talked about earlier.

1069
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you did the leg kicks.

1070
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone's like, Oh, Poton's left talk the left talk

1071
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 5: the left hook.

1072
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: Motherfucker out his leg kicks.

1073
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 5: Well, he's gonna chew on Caliath two pieces. If the

1074
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 5: unclive stands for any amount of time without some kind

1075
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 5: of answer, If you.

1076
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: Show up at the gym and you ask him to

1077
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: kick you as hard as again, he'll do it. He's

1078
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 3: one of those.

1079
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm good on that.

1080
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: Thing, Long Island. Look, could you read the odds one

1081
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: final time from DraftKings for this main event?

1082
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: Current odds minus one to eighteen for Poton, minus one

1083
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: oh two for magamet.

1084
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: Alright we go, here we go, fantastic main event. Cannot wait,

1085
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: could go either way. Let's go to that cole main

1086
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: event ten days notice Orrafael Fhaziv is back for round two.

1087
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: Only he's been idle for eighteen months since injuring his

1088
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: knee against Mitato Scamrod. He is riding will two fight

1089
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: losing skid one because of the injury, and one a

1090
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: majority decision loss to Gaegee when they fought two years ago.

1091
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: So injury behind him and a lot has changed, it

1092
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: seems for Geechee, who has knocked out face first in

1093
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 2: the final second of UFC three hundred. Because of that,

1094
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: Phazive now a slight betting favorite. So gentlemen were originally

1095
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: gonna have Dan Hooker versus Justin Gaegee, which had probably

1096
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: a little bit more stakes for both guys in terms

1097
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: of lightweight title positioning. Which fight is better like? Comparing

1098
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 2: contrast hmmm, PHYZIV Part two compared to what we were expecting

1099
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 2: from Hooker.

1100
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: I was into the Hooker thing only because he's been

1101
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: on a roll and I think you're catching I've said

1102
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: this before about Geichie, though, including the first time he

1103
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: fought for Zev that he was probably in for that

1104
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: moment when you're like, uh oh, we're waiting for that moment.

1105
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: We're waiting for that moment. We're still waiting more.

1106
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: We don't know if three hundred was that moment is

1107
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: we don't know that. Yes, that happened so late in

1108
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: the fight. He was getting pieced up in that fight,

1109
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: although he said he thought he was doing He had

1110
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: a pretty good fight up until that point. So I

1111
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: don't know, but I think that the Hooker fight, to me,

1112
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: had more of a compelling nature in terms of what

1113
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: we had, what we don't know, or you know, filling

1114
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: in those blanks, whereas this one becomes compelling on a

1115
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: different level. It's an action fight.

1116
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: We know it.

1117
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: Man, these guys they were almost even in significant strikes

1118
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 3: and they were did you phys His face after that

1119
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: was just a mess.

1120
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: It was, but he was eye poked. And he told

1121
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: me when I talked to him this week on my

1122
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: channel that it did play a part. It did play, It.

1123
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: Did play a major part.

1124
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: But I would expect it to be honest, because both

1125
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: guys are cut from that cloth, to basically be some

1126
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: version of that fight.

1127
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: I just don't know. Who comes out now? Is it?

1128
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: Does it?

1129
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: Does it change over to physique this time? Does he

1130
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: have it in him to kind of outlast him through

1131
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: this battle of attrition?

1132
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: Did you say which fight you liked better though entertainment?

1133
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: Entertainment wise, it probably be. I mean Hooker brings it.

1134
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just a Geechee fight. I think

1135
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: both of them achie.

1136
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: Versus everybody rules. So, Luke Thomas, the whole idea here

1137
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 2: of Gai Chee, the whole surrounding is what we've talked about.

1138
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: It is it past that point? He has said about

1139
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: his strategy change that we remember when he became elite

1140
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: and him and Trevor Whitman were just slightly tweaking to

1141
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: be a little bit less reckless, more crafty. He got

1142
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: all the way to the interim title and one half

1143
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: strike away from putting Habiban peril.

1144
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

1145
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: I needed that validation on that. He said that the Holloway,

1146
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: he said that the Holloway lost Luke was because he

1147
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: was being too patient, too calculated, and he now wants

1148
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: to return to the reckless caveman of old. How does

1149
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 2: that change the second fight if that's going to be true?

1150
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 5: I don't really fully believe that. I mean I kind

1151
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 5: of partly believe that, but like you know, you go

1152
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 5: back and you watch. First of all, this fight's three rounds,

1153
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 5: not five, so filling in on short notice is still

1154
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 5: a big deal, but not nearly as much as it

1155
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 5: would have been because it's only three rounds.

1156
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: So he was almost gonna rematch Gamra to open this year,

1157
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: but they ended.

1158
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: Up through or whatever.

1159
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 5: You know, Physive looked good in that fight for long

1160
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 5: stretches of it. But the reason why Gaetchi was able

1161
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 5: to storm back was actually basics.

1162
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: It was a jab.

1163
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 5: He just kept intercepting Physive with and not by the

1164
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 5: way when they they when they when they were face off, whenever,

1165
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: you know, the size comparison engage.

1166
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: He was actually much bigger than I thought.

1167
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 5: He would be relative to Phyz, which was kind of interesting.

1168
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 5: But you know, he didn't he if he had gone

1169
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: Caveman with Physive, I mean, maybe he would have won,

1170
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 5: but that's the opposite approach of what got him to

1171
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 5: win the first time. So he might be just saying

1172
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 5: that shit in the media to deflect, or at a

1173
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 5: bare minimum, there might be moments where he leans into

1174
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: that or certain contexts.

1175
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: Where he leans into that.

1176
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 5: But the reason he got as far as he did

1177
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 5: was because he cleaned everything up. He had that Poirier

1178
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 5: and Alvarez lost loss excuse me, back to back, and

1179
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: he was like, Okay, I can't do this shit anymore.

1180
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: I've got to be smarter about it.

1181
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 5: And that's what elevated his game, the notion he's going

1182
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 5: to throw all that out. I mean, okay, I know

1183
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 5: he's in the twilight because of everything and thirty sixth

1184
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 5: and also coming off of a stating knockout loss, But dude,

1185
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 5: like when he is thinking through problems and he's just

1186
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 5: naturally who he is, that's the most devastating version that

1187
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 5: you get. I just don't buy that fully.

1188
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: Here's what I can't figure out. And tell me if

1189
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm out of line for saying that this early in

1190
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: this segment. All I'm trying to figure out if we're

1191
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: gonna get for Z by knockout of by this decision,

1192
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: That's really what I'm trying to figure out.

1193
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 5: He's already slurring his words. I just want to point

1194
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 5: that out. Could you drive a car now, you piece

1195
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 5: of shit?

1196
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't think when you get the ISO shot. He's

1197
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: been pouring them over here.

1198
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: Yes, I just said something.

1199
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: I think it should be his fight. But the thing is,

1200
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: man Becauze gets hit. You probably went back and looked

1201
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 3: at like this tape he gets hit like he'll take

1202
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: He's just the same thing like he takes a lot

1203
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: of punches. Brad Rydell was laying plenty of shots on

1204
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 3: him in that fight.

1205
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: I think it was in Australia.

1206
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: His boxing was good, but he was also getting just

1207
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: pieced up. The RDA was having his way until he

1208
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: was knocked out. It's like it's one of those things

1209
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: you look at these guys and you're like every fight

1210
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: he's been in, if you want to punch him, you

1211
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: can off and tumble.

1212
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1213
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 5: There so, and to your point, in that third round

1214
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 5: the first fight, Gegie was just jabbing jabbit.

1215
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: He was hitting it.

1216
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 5: It was hitting me, think about it. So then he

1217
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 5: starts slipping. He starts slipping, so what does Gaygee do?

1218
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 5: Fucking colarize him and then starts feeding him uppercuts and

1219
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 5: he could he.

1220
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: Had no answer for it. I'm like, this is what

1221
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: I mean.

1222
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: Gayjy showed crafty guile like veterans to hold it but.

1223
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 5: This is what I mean, Like, is feeding a guy

1224
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 5: uppercuts brutal as shit, obviously, but he was thinking through

1225
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 5: the problems.

1226
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: That's what got him to win.

1227
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 5: I don't understand why you would change, Like, dude, that's

1228
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 5: what saved your ass in that fight.

1229
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: Like, I just don't get it.

1230
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: You know, No, I think he's gonna maybe he's gonna

1231
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: show up and he's gonna fight. The only thing is,

1232
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm like I could see him, like you mentioned the downfall,

1233
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: because he's fighting a guy who will just accommodate this,

1234
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: and they're gonna do this. I feel like this if

1235
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen, it might. It feels like it'ld be

1236
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 3: this fight.

1237
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's it's his it's his addiction,

1238
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: it's his vice brawling and just just throwing it to

1239
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: the wind and just wat.

1240
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: Trouble women you talk about all the time.

1241
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: And he's like he's tried to hold it off as

1242
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: long as he could, and he, like we said, he

1243
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: got to the interim title and fought for the real title,

1244
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: and now I think he's like, I know, I trust

1245
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: this style better. This is who I really am. I'm

1246
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: gonna go back to it. It's you know, if I'm

1247
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: gonna have one more run, I'm gonna do it my way.

1248
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: I think that's where his head is at Luke in

1249
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: this regard, But he said this is a tougher fight

1250
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: than the Dan Hooker fight. The second physive matchup. Even

1251
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: though Physi's off and coming off as two losses, they

1252
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 2: got him as the favorite.

1253
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: Here.

1254
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: Do we expect to see Phyziv come back from eighteen

1255
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: months with a elevated game?

1256
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Let's see, that's the question.

1257
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 5: And also, like so many questions to your point when

1258
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 5: you just raised all the physive questions, then on the

1259
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 5: gae Chee side, you know, dude, I don't give a

1260
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 5: fuck who you are. You get knocked out like that,

1261
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: You're not coming back to the same guy. Not to

1262
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: say you can't win the fight, that's one hundred percent

1263
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: not my point, but like, are you the same after

1264
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 5: something like that?

1265
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: You are not the same? That is a depth.

1266
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: Again, ask when he hadn't been knocked out since like

1267
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: two thousand that was the Dustin Poie I think was

1268
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: the previous time, and that was.

1269
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 5: That was like, yeah, that was this was one. Just

1270
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 5: like on your face. They have to get the smelling

1271
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 5: salts and by the way, footage surface this week the

1272
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 5: new top the time trying to wake him up.

1273
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: Dude, it was bad.

1274
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 2: Did you see that above the oct gun view that

1275
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: they showed.

1276
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 5: I have to tell you, I have no doubt that

1277
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 5: Gaigie's mind frame will be totally fine. But when the

1278
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 5: when the striker starts landing, I wonder what's gonna happen.

1279
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: It's like that thing, remember, Like it's just like the

1280
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: black spot became bigger and bigger. It's like every time

1281
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: he was sit in it's like, Frank, I know, so

1282
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: I wonder. I mean, I don't want to, you don't

1283
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: want to. You don't love to prematurely say this stuff

1284
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: because you just don't know. But if it was going

1285
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: to show up, it'd be after something like that. I mean,

1286
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 3: that was brutal.

1287
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: I mean, he took a lot of time off, which

1288
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 5: is good he did, but you're not going to be

1289
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 5: the same.

1290
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: I don't feel like Fazev has hit his full ceiling yet. No,

1291
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: there's been some Is there still time for that ceiling

1292
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: to get to the championship?

1293
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: How old is he? He's like thirty two. I believe

1294
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of me that thinks we might

1295
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: have put him. I remember talking with you guys about

1296
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: him when he was coming up. He's on that six,

1297
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: six or seven fight win streak, and he just looked

1298
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: like such a world beater until he ran into Gaichie

1299
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: that night. But maybe we over did it a little

1300
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: bit with him.

1301
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: Well, he's also reckless if he.

1302
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: Also I remember when he would lean back.

1303
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I love watching a fight, but it's

1304
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 3: not he's never going to get an a word for

1305
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: self preservation.

1306
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 5: Let me get let me give a shout out. You

1307
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 5: guys were watching MMA on point the YouTube channel.

1308
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: Our brethren from the U Yes, Yes, and Jason Yeah Jason.

1309
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 5: So Jason put out a video I think last week

1310
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 5: maybe talking about how if you look at the age

1311
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 5: of all the champions and not just the champions of

1312
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 5: fighters in these divisions, relative to ten years ago, everybody's older. Yeah,

1313
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 5: there is something to be said about that across sports,

1314
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 5: but it's especially pronounced in m m A.

1315
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: We had talked previously about all these sour.

1316
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 5: Yukians, these physiques, these gam racks, They're going to push

1317
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 5: out all the and the gay cheese, and then it

1318
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 5: just didn't actually happen. Except now because Eve okay granted

1319
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 5: unenviable circumstances on short notice and some other things time

1320
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 5: off of injury. But you got a second crack at it,

1321
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 5: and he is coming a horrible knockout loss, Like this

1322
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 5: is if there's gonna be turnover, this is the line.

1323
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 5: This is the moment right here, right now.

1324
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: And that's what I think has acted so blessed and

1325
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: happy this week. He feels like this was almost a

1326
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: gift the way the timing worked out.

1327
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: And honestly, if he gets through, it does kind of

1328
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: freshen things up. If Gaechie wins, you're just gonna be

1329
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: recycling almost the thing you're talking about, where you're just

1330
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: the same guys are gonna be hovering in that top

1331
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: five space. It's very strange set up that way. You know,

1332
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: like Hooker, if he'd come in there and obviously like

1333
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: he's coming back from kind of being you know, at

1334
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 3: the bottom for a little bit where he lost some fights,

1335
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he's re emerging. That's a storyline

1336
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: they can you know, run with. But if Gaechie wins

1337
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: the fight, I mean, it's just it's it just keeps perpetuating.

1338
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 5: Honestly, if gateschy wins. Are they gonna do the Porea trilogy?

1339
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: Probably for a non title that would with the BMFI.

1340
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't even know if the BMF is over anymore.

1341
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: Does it carry over? Is Max the BMF champion or

1342
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: do we just arbitrarily take it off him and put

1343
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: him somewhere else. Their second fight was for the BMF

1344
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: with the head kick for Gigi. They just did a

1345
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: BMF third fight. It's almost like a championship. He know,

1346
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: it's a championship of our hearts because it would close

1347
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: out the era. This has been the greatest all action

1348
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: lightweight era we ever could have imagined. But I still

1349
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: think those two make the best fights in this group

1350
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: of all.

1351
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: Let me just say this too.

1352
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 5: I've been working on a video it's almost done, where

1353
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 5: someone asked me, could you name all of the best

1354
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 5: fights by weight class, so all the best walterweight fights,

1355
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 5: all the best middleweight fights, which is quite an undertaking.

1356
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 5: Let me, I just want to point this out, if

1357
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: you actually look at the best fights at lightweight, it's

1358
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 5: not necessarily at all centered around who was champion, and

1359
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 5: in fact, most of its centers around Dustin Parier and

1360
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 5: Justin Gaegee they actually.

1361
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: Have Alvarez is in there as well. I'm not saying

1362
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: it's only those guys. I'm saying it's amazing. And Chandler

1363
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: kept that that Street Channer's up there as well.

1364
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 5: But in either case it's either a Bellator champion or

1365
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 5: two interim UFC lightweight champions. It's not actually the best

1366
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 5: guys at lightweight that that have made the best fights in.

1367
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean gsp is not trying to fight.

1368
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 5: Like Justin gai Chief, so you don't get this from

1369
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 5: him the best welterweight fights. I just want to say something.

1370
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 5: You know, Justin Geigee and Dustin Parier, they have a

1371
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 5: very special relationship to the lightweight division for the history

1372
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 5: non championship edition that they've created.

1373
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: Who has a quicker path to the title with a

1374
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: win between these two? Because Geigee you can make a

1375
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: lot of sexy matchups. But does he spend like he's

1376
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: reaching back in the rankings in this fight? Is he

1377
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: can he spend this?

1378
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 5: I think if gai Chi mows him down, it's him

1379
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 5: like could he be.

1380
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: A Tuporia introduction to lightweight? If Geche beats physically.

1381
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 5: I think if wins, he's gonna ask for Islam and

1382
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 5: they're the same manager.

1383
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 2: That would be.

1384
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1385
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 5: You can just remember there they were talking about that

1386
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 5: after Geechee knocked out Wario.

1387
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: Theyor like and you might say Physivee has a longer run.

1388
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 2: But there's so much turnover with these aging names coming

1389
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 2: out that we're looking for someone like physive to insert

1390
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: back in there. We need BSD to come back alive too.

1391
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: Don't you think he's another one? He's another one. Yeah.

1392
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: When we were talking about it, like, it just seemed

1393
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: like such a monster class coming up below. But I agree,

1394
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 3: I think it would be ge Chee. I mean, as

1395
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: much as I want Physic, he's still on a two

1396
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: fight losing streak. If he avenges the one, okay, great,

1397
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: but that's the camera fight.

1398
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: He got injured.

1399
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 5: I mean he was he is true And I looked

1400
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 5: at the scorecards. He won the first round on all three.

1401
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 3: Judges score true and maybe that's maybe the losses should be.

1402
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: Well, now, look what are the final odds on this

1403
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: from draftings.

1404
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 4: You're catching me off guard.

1405
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: Give me a second of we well, I mean, you

1406
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: know you turned the pornography off justin.

1407
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 4: Gechee is plus one thirty right now, and Physicue is might.

1408
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: It's time to it's time to go there? Where are

1409
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: we leaning right here? Okay, we're not going to hold

1410
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: you to this pick for the rest of your life.

1411
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: What is your heart saying?

1412
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 5: I don't think you can come back from a knockout

1413
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 5: like what Max did to and give me physive I'll

1414
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 5: say by stoppage.

1415
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: It might have to get in gnarly, but no, maybe not.

1416
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,479
Speaker 2: Maybe if he turns into chuckle deell, I hope he doesn't,

1417
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: Please don't.

1418
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: It's the same here.

1419
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 3: I think Physiva like he, I think this is the

1420
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 3: fight that if he could circle any fight that he

1421
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: would want, this would be the one.

1422
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: Yes, even with these circumstances.

1423
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 5: And by the way, give you even if you go

1424
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 5: back and watch again, Gaigie did an marvelous job snatching

1425
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 5: that fight back after losing it early. But even in

1426
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 5: the third round, dude, Phasivue was was landing on him like.

1427
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 5: It wasn't like he completely fell fell apart. It's just

1428
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 5: that Geigee really surged. But if Fazev was still there,

1429
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 5: he just didn't have a lot of great ideas. You

1430
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 5: got a second crack out of him. This is a

1431
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 5: solvable problem, it seems to I.

1432
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:33,120
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Speaker 1: Gotta be King Green versus hoofyfy yah.

1473
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: Earlier that was part of your dating ritual, right you

1474
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: and Bell Yet Mauricio Roofie Hoofy was getting a lot

1475
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: of rub on the embedded series too. He feels like

1476
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: he's coming on. King Green is that old name. But

1477
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: you make one era in round one where King Green

1478
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: is always the most dangerous, you can get absolutely lit

1479
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 2: up here.

1480
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: We all know what's about to happen here.

1481
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 5: Bobby Green, King Green is gonna put his hands by

1482
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 5: his waist and he's gonna do this, and he's gonna

1483
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 5: talk shit, and Hoofy is gonna do what and just

1484
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 5: fucking and just fucking probably eventually style on him.

1485
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: Bobby Green is a I think I know he changed

1486
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: his name. King Green is a very good fighter. Yeah,

1487
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about.

1488
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: Cashiers Clay earlier. I'm like, it's spent a long time.

1489
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Speaker 1: I'm not calling him.

1490
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 5: Yeah it's King Green, It's King Green. Uh, but you

1491
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 5: know he is older, he's got a million miles on him.

1492
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 5: It's not like I think getting put to sleep by

1493
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 5: by Patty is like there's a one to one correlation

1494
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 5: about what like what hoof He's going to do. But

1495
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 5: I just feel like, dude, they're setting Hoophie up for

1496
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 5: a guy.

1497
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: Who walks in there with his hands down.

1498
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: I still think King Green has won more of these

1499
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: kao's in them. I do. I do feel like it.

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01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: Did he get grand Dawson? Was that what happened? He

1501
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: called it grand Dawson rant?

1502
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 5: Look, but Grant's got a completely different that's completely different.

1503
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 2: How good is Hoofy Chuck? What have you noticed so far?

1504
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean he looks he looks like a killer man.

1505
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: What is it like? Four finishes or something like fighting

1506
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: Nerds bro I mean.

1507
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 5: Fighting Nerds two and oh in the UFC, and only

1508
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 5: one was a finish.

1509
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 4: He did get a finish on contenders what I said.

1510
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 5: Okay, but the one he didn't get a finished he

1511
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 5: still styled if I have memory?

1512
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: So it was against lawn Top. I.

1513
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: Actually, I'm not saying Bobby Green is gonna win here,

1514
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 4: but I don't think it's going to be as dominating, don't.

1515
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 5: I can see a case where Bobby Green's a survivor

1516
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 5: to But I'll look back on the back on the mic.

1517
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 5: Surely you can see the matchmaking here and what the

1518
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 5: matchmakers are thinking, right.

1519
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 4: Of course, But I'm from a betting perspective. Bobby Green

1520
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 4: could could steal this.

1521
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fair enough, fair enough. I don't talk about

1522
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:53,479
Speaker 1: the Miles man.

1523
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 3: I first saw Bobby Green at the Affliction show back

1524
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: in Anaheim in two thousand and eight, like fighting day,

1525
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: and still remember that because he was I was at

1526
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: the Inland Empire Weekly, which is a paper out there,

1527
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: and he was from the Inland Empire. It's crazy that

1528
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: he is still around in twenty twenty five, is still

1529
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: doing it.

1530
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's.

1531
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: Crazy that that generation is now old and ancient where

1532
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: you can link it back. Remember when Vitor and Hendo

1533
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: retired in a somewhat similar time, when you're like they

1534
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: touched back to like ninety seven ninety eight, like way

1535
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: back to still have guys around that touch back to

1536
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 2: the Cliction days. Feels like generation have been around.

1537
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 3: He doesn't get he's kind of unsung in that way

1538
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 3: like they's kind of been around.

1539
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: I think he was king the cage, like he was.

1540
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 5: All over the place, and dude, he had like a

1541
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 5: I distinctly remember him fighting a strike force. Yeah, like

1542
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 5: I remember in fact, when he came over to the UFC,

1543
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, it's a fun little addition.

1544
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: You knows it goes here. He has all these many.

1545
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: Years later, so if he does have one left on him,

1546
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: I would be it's incredible, as the.

1547
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: Story is incredible.

1548
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 5: But can we also just say Jalen Turner Ignacio Bamunde's.

1549
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: Transition to Saner Division lightweight division. We got two fights

1550
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: on this card.

1551
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 5: To me, this is such an interesting fight because they

1552
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 5: both are lanky strikers, will to go for it. To me,

1553
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 5: two things are different. One, Turner has fought better competition

1554
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 5: now that's been somewhat inconsistent.

1555
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: He should have beaten Moykano. He fucked that one up.

1556
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 5: That was a bit of a problem, okay, and then

1557
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 5: you know the Green fight was obviously dominating, but it

1558
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 5: was like a weird, horrible finish.

1559
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: That's right, jeez.

1560
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 5: Bob Mondez is interesting because to me, he hasn't fought

1561
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 5: nearly as many good guys.

1562
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: Uh, And I don't think.

1563
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 5: Has the same kind of on the fly creativity and

1564
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 5: thinking through adjustment but ability.

1565
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: Turner has the ability to read.

1566
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 5: And then change, reading and change, whereas I feel like

1567
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 5: Ignacio is a little bit more just drive forward what

1568
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 5: the game plan has and it has to force it. Yeah,

1569
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 5: but Turner has been inconsistent a little bit.

1570
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: I feel like, if you can defend a losing streak

1571
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: of anybody, Jalen Turner's right now, he's lost three of

1572
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: his last four, but the fight against Mo Kano looked

1573
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: like he actually had a notho.

1574
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: He should have won that one.

1575
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: And then he gets he gets taken out by Tko

1576
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: the next round, and then the two losses before that

1577
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: were split decisions, and they were all against good competition,

1578
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: and again.

1579
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: One of them was Gamrod. Right, He's just gonna wrestle,

1580
01:04:59,200 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: so this is.

1581
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 2: Top level competition, so it is he's a sneaky dog.

1582
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: Long Onlanlue, Can I get you to share the actual

1583
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: odds from draftings on this please?

1584
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 4: Plus one oh five for Jalen Turner minus one twenty good.

1585
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: I hate spiders and Tarantula's in general, but I like

1586
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: plus money on this guy. Bajamond's has won five of

1587
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: his last six. The only lost a decision to Ludevolt Klein,

1588
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have those names. Per your earlier comment

1589
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 2: on the experience level, I think Jalen Turner looked like

1590
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: he was coming on hit us hit a legitimate skid

1591
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: where he had a reset learn some things, but you

1592
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: can explain.

1593
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 3: It to mention he kind of I don't know if

1594
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: you've been paying attention Towa he's been talking about this week,

1595
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 3: but just basically saying that he lost love of the game.

1596
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: He's talking to r J.

1597
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: Clifford and those guys, and he was, Yeah, he was

1598
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 3: saying that he just kind of just fell out of

1599
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: love with the game. And sometimes that happens, but you're

1600
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 3: always like, can you get that back? And if you can,

1601
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: I guess it's at a fairly young age. He's not

1602
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 3: that old. It's it's an interesting thing. He's a six

1603
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: foot three dude with like what seventy eight inch reach.

1604
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: I mean, he should have advantages if he knows how

1605
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: to use that, you know, that range and everything. But

1606
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 3: his mental space, I'm like, is he back, Like does

1607
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: he kind of have that again? Because if you go

1608
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 3: back and watch some of his other fights, I felt

1609
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 3: like he was bringing a little more. I don't know,

1610
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: maybe that was just in the hype of it, but

1611
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 3: it seemed like he was hungrier fighter.

1612
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes they go through the motions. It's part of

1613
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: the maturity, right, He's only twenty nine. Still, I still

1614
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 2: feel like there's some big wins.

1615
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: Ahead should be in his prime.

1616
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: Well, look, where are you weighing in on this matchup?

1617
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 4: I like Jalen Turner plus money. I was a little

1618
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 4: torn on it. It was initially like minus one ten,

1619
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 4: minus one ten. Now that Jalen's plus money, I'm sided.

1620
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 3: What was it that U Bajamandez has fought at the sphere?

1621
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: I was at the fight brought the crowd to life

1622
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: because he was I.

1623
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: Mean, they were just going for it. Was first to yes,

1624
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: is that that fight was?

1625
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 3: I mean these types of like that kind of mentality

1626
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 3: just to charge for it, like you said, and just

1627
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: kind of engage in a brawl.

1628
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean.

1629
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: Translates directly to let the rhythm take you over in Spanish.

1630
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, this is what it's interesting, Which is again,

1631
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 5: Bob Mondes is not He's not the creative striker that

1632
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 5: I think Turner is. But if Turner's, to your point,

1633
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 5: if his head's not there, he'll get fucking run over.

1634
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 5: By contrast, because I do think Turner has a higher ceiling.

1635
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 5: This is an opportunity for him to really get right

1636
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 5: against a non wrestler in a favorable.

1637
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: Context. Great fight this is what I mean.

1638
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 5: Does Turner and Ignacio do they have like great rivalry

1639
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 5: with one another? Was this one that are on a

1640
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 5: collision course? No, but the matchup is actually pretty fucking.

1641
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: Kind of like to see the winner of each of

1642
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: these lightweight bouts face each other next, that'd be great.

1643
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you down on that.

1644
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 2: Our other main card bout is in the women's strawweight

1645
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: division thirty.

1646
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't mind this final.

1647
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 2: Well, thirty seven year old am the Limosh may be

1648
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: on a skid where she's lost two of three, but

1649
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: the win was against Mackenzie Dern and she welcomes. Let

1650
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 2: me say this right, yas Min Lusino.

1651
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 5: Yes, by the way, twenty three years old, seventeen and

1652
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 5: five record. I think something like that.

1653
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 2: She's twenty two fights at age twenty.

1654
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 3: It's insane. Just beat uh Marina, right and that was it.

1655
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: I mean, she's legit. I think it'd be. I mean,

1656
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 3: I feel like this is another one of those here's

1657
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 3: the stakes being slid under the door for like one

1658
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 3: of the younger prospects to come in and take to see.

1659
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 2: The Brazilian fighters, male or female. They linger late into

1660
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: those thirties and you cannot count them out. They're different,

1661
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 2: they're born different.

1662
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 5: Luke Right, Well, here's the thing, Lucendo hasn't shown the

1663
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 5: high level ability. In fact, she's that's a few issues

1664
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 5: where you take someone down just lays on them. But

1665
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 5: you know, at twenty three, it's like, holy fuck, like

1666
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 5: you laid on this person because you just don't know

1667
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 5: what you're doing yet. It seems like there's a great

1668
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 5: opportunity to show some new skills, assuming that she's been,

1669
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 5: you know, steadily working on it. So that fight again,

1670
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 5: is that the most exciting fight? No, but it's not

1671
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 5: some kind of piece. It's not some piece of shit

1672
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 5: women's band someweight fighters. Just like I don't give off

1673
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 5: fuck who's coming or going.

1674
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: It's hard to figure out though, Like Lemosh is three

1675
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: and three in our last six wins over Mackenzie during

1676
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: Marina Hadriguez and Michelle Waterson good, that's pretty great losses

1677
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 2: to Androdge by submission.

1678
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: Standing was ending arm trying way.

1679
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: Lee for the title.

1680
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: That one, that's the one that everybody like because it

1681
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: was so one side.

1682
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, way Lee for the title over five rounds,

1683
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: and then she gets subbed by Janjer Robud in the

1684
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: last fight in the two, So all.

1685
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: Those are okay.

1686
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: She's not the best in the division, but she's a

1687
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: little hit or miss, but the high end of what

1688
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: she can do is pretty damn good still.

1689
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: So this is a great test for Loseno and Petition.

1690
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: Agree with you.

1691
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: I agree with you that also, I gotta say this.

1692
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the prelims or not? We will

1693
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: in the second.

1694
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: We will in the second because Luke, as we talked

1695
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 2: about Pick six from DraftKings, it's like Fantasy football but

1696
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: MMA edition. So we're looking to pick our pick six

1697
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: teams for this UFC three thirteen card, And like fantasy

1698
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: let's say basketball, where you're looking for those well rounded

1699
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 2: players that can give you points, rebounds, assists. There's the key. Yeah,

1700
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: Kich fits that bill. There's the categories here for things

1701
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: like fight time, control, time, strikes, takedowns, reversal sweeps. If

1702
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 2: you win in the first round, you get ninety plus

1703
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: points as opposed to winning later. So you got to

1704
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 2: think of well rounded all round. But also people, if

1705
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: you get a finish, it's gonna make them bigger. Luke,

1706
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: when you look at this card, like who's who's a

1707
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: top draft pick? When you're looking to make your pick

1708
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: six for UFC three thirteen.

1709
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure how to answer that one.

1710
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: Presented by draftings.

1711
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 5: I'm not much of a better. It's kind of your

1712
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,919
Speaker 5: putting me on the spot.

1713
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 2: You look at it more of a of a fantasy

1714
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,919
Speaker 2: football type of way in terms of the different categories

1715
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: that just laid out to you, Luke, like strikes, like

1716
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 2: control time and all of that. I mean, I'm looking

1717
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: in this case, physie will give you something.

1718
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that's a good call.

1719
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 5: Okay, we should ask we should ask our resident smart better,

1720
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 5: what do you think in reference to his question, how

1721
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 5: would you answer it?

1722
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 4: I mean, as someone who chose Unclelia in the main event,

1723
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 4: we're talking control time, we're talking takedowns, I would lean

1724
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: towards that. Also, like if you are leaning poets on,

1725
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 4: he's probably gonna get an early finish.

1726
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: So you that way, good point.

1727
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 4: There's a lot of ways you could go. This is

1728
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 4: a tough card to pick on.

1729
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: You get points for knockdowns, you get points for significant strikes,

1730
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: mention all of that. So I'm pick six in here.

1731
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: I like ankle iv I like everything he's saying right there.

1732
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: I like Phyzive here.

1733
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,480
Speaker 1: Does it have to be the main card.

1734
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: No, it's the entire it's the entire card.

1735
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: So a little flexibilain.

1736
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 2: All right, You got your options right there for pick six,

1737
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: brought to you by DraftKings. And remember I'm going to

1738
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: pick my people, and obviously you got to remember that

1739
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: with DraftKings the crown is yours.

1740
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: So that's pretty fun.

1741
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 2: So I like my six in this case to be ankliav.

1742
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: Phyzeve.

1743
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm going Jalen Turner here, and I like him in

1744
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: this fight to begin with. On top of that, I'm

1745
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: gonna go Curtis Blades. He's give us a lot of takedowns,

1746
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: potential knockdowns right here in top end, uh, top control

1747
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: in that regard. And how about Joshua Van And I

1748
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 2: know Luke loves that guy.

1749
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: I talk about that that.

1750
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: Pigs six right there if it's right in my wheelhouse

1751
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 2: for you, so, uh, DraftKings, the crown is yours. I'm

1752
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 2: fired up. I'm ready to go. Now, fellas, now we

1753
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 2: go below the five. You gotta pay for those five

1754
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: fights these though, I mean you can watch him for

1755
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 2: virtually free.

1756
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 7: Technically you can steal anything that feature the preliminary feature

1757
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 7: is Curtis Blades, who I think we would all agree

1758
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 7: if there is that demarcation line between the small handful

1759
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 7: of elite heavyweights and then everybody else, He's still above

1760
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 7: the line in my opinion.

1761
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I know, I was talking with Clint

1762
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 5: from MMA Diehard this week and he was saying, you

1763
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 5: know how he's been knocked out five times, but it's

1764
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 5: like two of them were Francis, one was Pavlovich, one

1765
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 5: was Aspinall, and I forget who the other one was.

1766
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: It was another heavy hitter or Derek Lewis.

1767
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: He's lost two of three by ko that is the

1768
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 2: Aspinall and Pavlovitch fights. But around that he's got knocked

1769
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: out Almida, which is not you know, he.

1770
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 5: Smashed Alistair overhim, Like dude, this was this guy risvon

1771
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 5: Or the Rizzler.

1772
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: The Rizzler is coming off the two wins on the

1773
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: Contender Sea.

1774
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 1: I watched his fight with like a cockyail.

1775
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 5: First of all, if you got a fight twice in

1776
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 5: the Contender series, that's a I'm not gonna say red flag,

1777
01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 5: but it's like.

1778
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: Bow Nickel and who's that guy that three times recently?

1779
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: No no, yes, yeah, yeah. Uh here's what I'm gonna say.

1780
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 5: I watched this fight against who's the big donk over

1781
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 5: in PFL that Francis smashed head.

1782
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched the fight.

1783
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 5: He just fucking held a fajada against the fight or

1784
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 5: the fence for like three fucking rounds.

1785
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: Man, there's he popped. He popped for literally every steroid.

1786
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: To make it, we need viable potential heavyweight title contenders

1787
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: because I know we're used to the title not being

1788
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 2: defended much the less couple of years. But I'd like

1789
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: to see the start to moving around, so Blades getting

1790
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: a win here could fill that. Obviously. The Wrizzler has

1791
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 2: a chance to really make his name with this fight.

1792
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: What are the odds here? Long Island? Luke from DraftKings.

1793
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 4: Last night I looked, I think Blades was around minus

1794
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 4: three ten plus two.

1795
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the experience is massive.

1796
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 5: Kunie has a little bit of hands, He's a little

1797
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 5: bit quicker probably than Blades, but Blades has focked way better.

1798
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 3: Gun and he's shot in such big like I think

1799
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 3: seven of his last nine. I was looking this up

1800
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: because for a guy to fall into the prelim's coming

1801
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 3: off of a you know a idol shot. Essentially seven

1802
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 3: of his nine were like headlining bouts. Yeah, I mean

1803
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 3: he's been in big, big fights. I think that he's

1804
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,520
Speaker 3: got the huge experience.

1805
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: Fit is Curtis vulnerable. Sure he should win this one.

1806
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 2: He should, and they're actually giving him the opportunity to

1807
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: get a win because we like I'm saying, like, what

1808
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: is the hierarchy in your eyes? Separating Jones and aspinall

1809
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: gone number one in terms of probably the next best heavyweight.

1810
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: I think blades Beat's gone. I think blades Beat's.

1811
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 2: Got and he's right there. I think you have Volkov

1812
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: probably right behind him.

1813
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: Volkov's up there. Padlovitch still kind of hanging around Almeida.

1814
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's completely done all though he's still I.

1815
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 5: Mean again it's it's it's slim pickens. But I just

1816
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 5: feel like people shoulit on Blades and again, he has

1817
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 5: suffered some bad losses, I understand, but when you just

1818
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 5: look at the tape on him again, I go back

1819
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 5: to the Pavlovitch fight. You watch the Pavlovitch fight, He's

1820
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 5: landing on Pavlovich over and over again. But Padovich is

1821
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 5: just a big old Frankenstein, motherfucker, and he didn't go down,

1822
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 5: and then of course Pavlovich hits him and he goes down.

1823
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't like he wasn't doing really well.

1824
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 5: This is a this is Curtis's fight.

1825
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: Now and a Romanov will be in the season of

1826
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: the PF.

1827
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 4: Can we talk about how if Kooneyev wins in his

1828
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 4: UFC debut, he will be a top five heavyweights.

1829
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: That's where we're at right now.

1830
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,799
Speaker 1: Okay, that is keep the drug testers at bay. That's awesome.

1831
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Flyway. Joshua Van who was humbled against

1832
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: Charles Johnson has won two decisions since then. Armand I'm sorry,

1833
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm reading the long lot wrong. On the Ray to

1834
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: Sura Ray Seruya, I don't know much about Ray Here,

1835
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: give me, give me.

1836
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 5: The four standout wrestler winner of Road to UFC Super

1837
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 5: Super super lopsided skill set has no hands whatsoever that

1838
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 5: we're aware of. But here's the thing. He can wrestle

1839
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 5: his ass off. Plus he has insane grappling. And here's

1840
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 5: the thing. He will take risks with positions where he'll

1841
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 5: gopher throws that you've never seen into a trip into

1842
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 5: a back take into some like all over the place

1843
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 5: with this kind of thing. He's going to be all

1844
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 5: over a guy like josh Van.

1845
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: Josh Van.

1846
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 5: By the way, if you're striking averages in the three

1847
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 5: strikes landed per minute, that's about average for UFC fighter.

1848
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 5: Four is high, five is really high. Josh Van is

1849
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 5: at nine.

1850
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: Wow nine. I said this on he fucking rainss on.

1851
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 5: You get an umbrella because here comes josh Van, just

1852
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 5: fucking pouring down.

1853
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 4: Not only does he land nine per minute, that's the

1854
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 4: most in the UFC.

1855
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: Right, that's josh Van. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

1856
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. A guy like that is gonna.

1857
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 5: Be constantly moving into you, constantly kind of taking risks himself,

1858
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 5: and Suruya is going to find an opportunity to get

1859
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 5: body locked, bodylock trips, get to the back, dude. This fight,

1860
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 5: legitimately just on fear, pure fight terms, might be the

1861
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 5: best one on the card. And by the way, and

1862
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 5: by the way, people are like, oh, we don't ever

1863
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:44,839
Speaker 5: see prospect versus prospect.

1864
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: You got one, got one right here at twenty three

1865
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: gar Brandt Thomas Almeida.

1866
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: Back in the day, remember that.

1867
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 5: They were both sluggers, but yeah, yeah, but I mean

1868
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 5: in terms of they were very young dudes.

1869
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't usually book them like that.

1870
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: They were two alpha dudes. But you're like, oh, they

1871
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: got to go through each other definitely, So Van twenty

1872
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,879
Speaker 2: three from me and mar don't call it Burma. Yeah,

1873
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 2: for all you geography heads up out there, Luke, like,

1874
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 2: are you fire? Do you see the future?

1875
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 6: Like?

1876
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: Will you fight for a title one day?

1877
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: In your eyes?

1878
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: Like it's it's definite? Or is this the test that

1879
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 2: he's got to pass to continue that that run.

1880
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 5: Here are some issues with his game, and I do

1881
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 5: wonder how much his power is going to be a

1882
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 5: limiting factor. But he's so talented. He's so talented, I'd

1883
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 5: be very surprised if he didn't fight for a title.

1884
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: Plus, there's only like what twenty flyways, it's like five

1885
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: guys too many, Chuck.

1886
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: When you look at the middleweight match up Bruno Fejeda

1887
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: against armand Petrosian, what what what comes to mind? You know?

1888
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 3: Probably that's the fight right after that's done, is when

1889
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:45,799
Speaker 3: I tune in, that's.

1890
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: What you're gonna wait for one to finish.

1891
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: That one is just dog versus Dokan, who gives it.

1892
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: Trojan has been stopped two in a row coming in.

1893
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,560
Speaker 5: Granted, the last one was the bo bop, you know

1894
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 5: what I mean? So, okay, he got hit with a

1895
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 5: unique shot.

1896
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 2: But you know what are we doing at Welterwait with

1897
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: Carlos Leal and al Morono just banging.

1898
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: Just just just giving guys fights.

1899
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's that's fine.

1900
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: No rivalry there, Yeah, there's just two dogs.

1901
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 2: The early preliminary main event is in the featherweight division,

1902
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: Francis Marshall versus.

1903
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:12,839
Speaker 1: So that one's interesting.

1904
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 5: My Myron Sentos is the one that stopped uh what

1905
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 5: was his name? Kofield where he hit him with the

1906
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 5: one shot super young winner of the Ultimate Fighter Season

1907
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 5: thirty two.

1908
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: Look at You.

1909
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 5: Marshall is for Originally Kurt Pellergreno's guy went down to

1910
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 5: att Grant Dawson took him under his wing. Here's the thing.

1911
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 5: They match made Marshall tough. They match made real tough.

1912
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 5: He had to fight Dulgarian earlier in his run and

1913
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 5: it didn't really go great. This is an interesting test

1914
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 5: of both guys. I think that Santos has the higher

1915
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 5: upside a little bit quicker obviously much better hands.

1916
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: But on the other case, you got a.

1917
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 5: Good strong boxer, wrestler, American type kind of guy.

1918
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a great pairing. I'm with you.

1919
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 2: The same division at featherweight, we're gonna get Chris Gutierrez

1920
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 2: against John Cash the Natata. I don't feel Chuck like

1921
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: you came here prepared to talk about this.

1922
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: No, I didn't.

1923
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 5: But Keston come off that Daniel Marcos lost the Peruvian kid, Yes,

1924
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 5: and he got kind of bullied in that one. I

1925
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 5: feel like the leg kicking of Gutierrez is going to

1926
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 5: be a real big factory.

1927
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: You know, when you say we're going to keep it

1928
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: like men or whatever at the beginning like that, that's

1929
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: this is when we do right. Because you're like you're

1930
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: in the deep at some point. Then just check out.

1931
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 2: The curtain jerker, the curtain jerkers that middle way. Jordan

1932
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 2: Robero Dos Santos versus Osman Diaz. Long you don't know

1933
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 2: about that fight, don't act like you do.

1934
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: I do.

1935
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 4: Osmond Diaz never hidden over one and a half in

1936
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 4: his career, or maybe one in the.

1937
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: First round or two.

1938
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 5: Jordan Santos, Jordan Santos, real meat and potatoes kind of game.

1939
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: But that might just be enough.

1940
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: There's going to be less people in the T mobile

1941
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 3: at that fight than that. You at an apex of Card.

1942
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 5: Probably said, all right, what's going to win the fight

1943
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 5: of the night, Sua Josh Fan.

1944
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: I just think it's a hard fight to talk too.

1945
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: That's the one I was going to say, maybe the

1946
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 2: main event to you never know, you never you never know?

1947
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 3: Good lord, I mean, you have potential for some really

1948
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 3: good fights. I hope at Panza.

1949
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: This is what I mean. Solid B. Yeah, solid B.

1950
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 2: That's what I used to stay in college. I mean,

1951
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: you know a big cup can work.

1952
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 5: Okay, don't indulge him.

1953
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we obviously.

1954
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 4: Made Snyder giggle.

1955
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to pop Snyder. Yes, yes, right, yeah,

1956
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 2: all right, we could have gone places with that joke

1957
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: if you were willing. You know what I mean. We're

1958
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 2: gonna get into T k O boxing in just a second,

1959
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: but before we do, if you want to talk about

1960
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: mm A legends. Are you talking about Anderson Spider Silva best, Yes,

1961
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: I am guys. Andre Ward of all the Smoke Fights

1962
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: sat down with MMA legend Anderson Silva for an intimate

1963
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: conversation on Silva's life, the art of fighting, and the

1964
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 2: business behind it all. Check out the full Art of

1965
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: Ward interview on the All the Smoke Fight YouTube channel.

1966
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 2: But here's a little appetizer for you.

1967
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 6: What is the fight that never got? How long is

1968
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 6: this that you were supposed to get? Two minutes that

1969
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 6: you wish you got? The UFC never saw usc. I

1970
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 6: take me and George and you know, are.

1971
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: You done fighting?

1972
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 8: No?

1973
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 9: No, come on no, never, no never, no, God give

1974
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 9: me everything, and uh I train you every day.

1975
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: Of course you still train every day? Yeah?

1976
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 9: I train every day.

1977
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: What discipline?

1978
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 2: I training?

1979
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 9: Physical training every day, two days a week. I trained

1980
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 9: in the has today, I train in boxing one.

1981
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: Day and week I trained with Have you had a

1982
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 2: phone call?

1983
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 9: I'm ready, I'm ready.

1984
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 6: So you don't believe in retirement, No, I don't believe.

1985
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 9: Of course. I have the different business I work and

1986
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 9: my producing about movies. I have my my schools college.

1987
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 9: I have the Killer Bees with my partners. I have

1988
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 9: a spider teeth brain. I have a lot of things.

1989
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 9: But my passion, my love is fight and that's I

1990
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 9: keep ready. You know, it's crazy because that's I talk

1991
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 9: to my friends, they say, you know, you know what

1992
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 9: the special force in the army. That's the same. I'm ready,

1993
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 9: you know, I just need one thing, just where my

1994
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 9: opponent in the wait, that's the point. You know. I

1995
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 9: train every day to this.

1996
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 6: So you still got your phone on just in case?

1997
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 9: Yes, exactly.

1998
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: Wow. Some guys have careers. Other people have a life.

1999
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: They have got there's a fighting life.

2000
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: Right, This is what a juxtaposition.

2001
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 3: Did you guys cover him early on like I obviously did,

2002
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 3: But he would talk about retirement all the time when

2003
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 3: he was in the thick of his career, like in

2004
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 3: the prime, when the sixteen fight win streak.

2005
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And he didn't speak English.

2006
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 5: This is like watching all the his development of English

2007
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 5: is crazy.

2008
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: But I want to ask you about that, not that

2009
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm trying to relitigate McKenzie during speech history. That makes

2010
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 2: you very upset, and I'm sorry about that.

2011
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: You're just being racist, That's okay.

2012
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say that he kept saying I'm weady,

2013
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm weady, like for a fight. Shouldn't he be saying

2014
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm heady, I'm heady.

2015
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of funny. Do you guys remember when

2016
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 5: Nogera fought Randy Catour and then he beats him and

2017
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 5: they put a.

2018
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: Microphone in his face.

2019
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 5: He's like, I gotta say, shouts to the legend Handy.

2020
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: No, forget Jesus right, That's what I'm saying.

2021
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: Catur there it is. I met her in college.

2022
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys. Our final segment here brought to you, of course,

2023
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 2: by the fine folks at Quervo. You can't have a

2024
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: pregame preview for UFC three thirteen without Quervo.

2025
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean it just sets it off right.

2026
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: When you're talking about Cuervo, you're talking about a good

2027
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: time is now to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila.

2028
01:23:51,080 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 2: Our final segment is called Shots Fired. The aftermath of

2029
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: the Shot heard around the world and the Boxing business

2030
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: Space took place this week as TKO, led by Dana White,

2031
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: UFC CEO and Nick Cohn, WWE President, will embark full

2032
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: time into boxing with the money from Turkey Ala Chic

2033
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia. There's a debate here between whether it's

2034
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: a league or a promotion, but from what we've heard

2035
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 2: over a lot of Dana White interviews, once we got

2036
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 2: past those early like endeavor friendly interviews where they don't

2037
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 2: ask anything about the bottom elly act or anything like that.

2038
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: But the news on terms of you gotta take it

2039
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: as big guys. And when you're talking about shots fired,

2040
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 2: how about this on social media of these two bohemoths

2041
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 2: getting together for better or for worse. And we can

2042
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 2: talk about that. But here's Dana White and Turkey Alask

2043
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 2: putting that announcement forward.

2044
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 10: What's up, guys, We have just done a deal to

2045
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 10: start a new boxing league with Turkey, who absolutely loves

2046
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 10: the sport of boxing.

2047
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: I am very happy today.

2048
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 8: I give the flag of boxing to the this man

2049
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 8: who can handle it. You have a tough job now,

2050
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 8: but I am sure he will be denivident to the

2051
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 8: people and the fans. The magnificent du and get books

2052
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 8: in today teching.

2053
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 10: The model is proven to deliver the fights that the

2054
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,839
Speaker 10: fans want to see. The best will fight the best,

2055
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,520
Speaker 10: and the fighters will continue to move up the rankings

2056
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 10: and become world champions. We will continue to make announcements

2057
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 10: on where you can watch and all the rest of

2058
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 10: the details on the business as we get closer to

2059
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 10: the launch. I'll see us soon.

2060
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 2: So guys, it does like the whole distinction between promotion

2061
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 2: and league. They're going to use the UFC model, which

2062
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: is kind of your own league. They don't want the

2063
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: alphabet titles. They want to launch their own titles. Dan

2064
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 2: Rayfiel had a podcast guest of Dana White just yesterday

2065
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 2: and brought up inside of Dana that is illegal, and

2066
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 2: Dana said, yeah, we got to work around. In Muhammad Aliak,

2067
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: we got a lot of things to figure out. So

2068
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of topics connected to this, but it

2069
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: seems to be two things at once. One, according to

2070
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: Mark Shapiro of TKO, they're going to put on two

2071
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: Grand events per year over the next two years for Saudi,

2072
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: and the rumors seem to surround Canello versus Crawford this

2073
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: September at Allegiance Stadium as the first one and then two.

2074
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 2: Is this actual league with younger fighters coming in. Dana

2075
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 2: says he is open to any fighter joining, but this

2076
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: won't be a cold promotion. This will be just that.

2077
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: And Turkey and Dana on a separate video went as

2078
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: far as saying this. Turkey talking that they will crush

2079
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 2: the competition together when they presumably kick off this league

2080
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,799
Speaker 2: next year. But the competition or all the other promoted

2081
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 2: they were just one under the reals in banner. So

2082
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot to get into here. This is supposed

2083
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 2: to be a quick reaction. But Luke, first and foremost,

2084
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: what do we make of this? It's monumental for sure,

2085
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 2: it's a major announcement. How quickly can they do it?

2086
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: Is their vision? Is it gonna work? What do you

2087
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 2: got for me?

2088
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 5: I mean, this is so many different parts to it.

2089
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 5: I would just say I think it's as a general proposition.

2090
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 5: You know, we've been here watching Dana White build UFC

2091
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 5: for a long time. I certainly have issues in ways

2092
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 5: I don't see the world like him.

2093
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: But it's a little foolish.

2094
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 5: To bet against him, I think, or at least to

2095
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 5: bet against what is possible.

2096
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: You gotta keep nick On and ari Emanuel in that

2097
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: conversation like this is a super power.

2098
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 5: These are These are not losers. These are these are

2099
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 5: guys that you know, again, I don't always like what

2100
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 5: they do, but they tend to get what they want

2101
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 5: out of things, and you kind of have to acknowledge that. Nevertheless,

2102
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 5: they do face some interesting hurdles.

2103
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen to the.

2104
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 5: Aliac I don't know if they can repeal it or

2105
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 5: change it or amend it or do something to it

2106
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 5: that's not it's it's a federal law. You can't just

2107
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 5: overturn it with executive order. So I that that is

2108
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 5: a huge component of it. But I mean, just here's

2109
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 5: the thing. All those promoters, Queensberry, a Golden Boy, match Room,

2110
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 5: sold their ass to give everything to Turkey, to take

2111
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 5: big fat checks, and it looks like he's.

2112
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: Going to they and they called them his highness, his excellency.

2113
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

2114
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: Dana calls him shake Turkey with which is hilarious, but

2115
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: I don't get it. It seems like that's what I'm saying,

2116
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: like saying, is that what he's thinking She can shake.

2117
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 5: Just a different ways of things. So, I mean, there's

2118
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 5: still a title involved there, but he doesn't call him

2119
01:27:58,960 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 5: his excellency.

2120
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: I know not.

2121
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 5: But the point I'm trying to make here is you've

2122
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 5: got the This is why antitrust in the is so important,

2123
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 5: because they let a giant corporation develop in a sister industry,

2124
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 5: and now they're going to leverage all of that power

2125
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 5: not just for that industry but for the next one

2126
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 5: as well, and now backed by again. This is not

2127
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 5: quite true, but obviously it's fair to say that these

2128
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 5: are basically basically the richest people in the world, the

2129
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 5: Saudis themselves, and they want to take control. I mean,

2130
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 5: everyone wanted to treat this like some kind of avuncular

2131
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 5: you know, Oh, I'm just going to come.

2132
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: In here hand on money hand not money everyone ever.

2133
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 5: But they they that's only the beginning stage. Beginning stage.

2134
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 5: They want to take control. To the point you raise

2135
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 5: about titles about who they're going to get, I don't know,

2136
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 5: but I will say this, it is delicious to watch

2137
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 5: these guys who just had no compunction whatsoever about doing

2138
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 5: business with a religious tyrannical government. Now it looks like

2139
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 5: the tables have turned.

2140
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 1: They has Eddie Herds all about retirement.

2141
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: And now Eddie Hearing coming out and saying like they're wrong.

2142
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 2: I agree with Edie HEARDing where he came out and said, look,

2143
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: it's fine that they're doing this. This could be a

2144
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 2: great thing for boxing. And Eddie even said I don't

2145
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 2: even know if I'll be involved or not. It doesn't

2146
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 2: seem like you will be, Eddie unless you.

2147
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:13,759
Speaker 1: Bend the knee enjoyed.

2148
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be you know, Eddie was like Eddie

2149
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: brought up one thing. There's a narrative that Dana and

2150
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 2: Turkey are pushing with this, and it helped when they

2151
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 2: went on very friendly you know airwaves like like the

2152
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee show or First Take, where you know it's

2153
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 2: not gonna be grilled on some of these other things

2154
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: where they're presenting it as if boxing is dead and broken,

2155
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,959
Speaker 2: and you know in air repaarable and they're the saviors

2156
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: coming in. But Dane is coming in with a strategy

2157
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 2: that is basically a boxing strategy that he brought to

2158
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 2: MMA to try to do things the old ways and

2159
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: it worked because of the control he had. But he's

2160
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 2: coming in with this narrative that boxing sucks when boxing's

2161
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: coming off with some of its best years ever. I

2162
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 2: think Turkey has made an error, heir, and I think

2163
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 2: this is one of his first major errors that could

2164
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 2: be a turning point. And it's announcing this so early,

2165
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: and what I mean by that is this they announced

2166
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: it as this is the new boxing. TKO boxing will

2167
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 2: be the new boxing. Only TKO is saying like we

2168
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: don't want the alphabets I don't know if anyone saw

2169
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 2: the Canalos Skull press conference yesterday, Turkey was pushing away

2170
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 2: even though that's a unification of all four belts. He

2171
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 2: was pushing them away to have the ring magazine and

2172
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 2: whatever ceremonial belt was across his shoulders. Is they're like

2173
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 2: they came out, I think too aggressive to say the

2174
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: future is us together and we're gonna crush everybody else.

2175
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 2: I think they gave everybody else too much time to

2176
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 2: now go. Wait, we were fine, as Luke said, selling

2177
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 2: our souls when it was filling our pockets. We were

2178
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 2: a part of the biggest fights ever, and we all,

2179
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 2: I think, didn't really care as much about things like

2180
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 2: sports washing and what Saudi's real intention was because we're

2181
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: all getting as the trade off these really big fights

2182
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 2: in the traditional promoters for the most part are involved

2183
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 2: in them. Now they're straight up kind of telling those

2184
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 2: traditional promoters you're out, and then a hear from now

2185
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 2: these guys are coming in. So I think for people

2186
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 2: that have been saying and they're not fully wrong, but

2187
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 2: the people that have been parading there's been a shameless

2188
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,839
Speaker 2: group of people in boxing who have been parading around

2189
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: that Turkey is God's gift to boxing, and there's been

2190
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 2: a lot of great that's come from Turkey, there's no

2191
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 2: question about that. But it was always in line with

2192
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: But we're getting the best fights and the fighters are

2193
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 2: getting paid and you know what, this is insane, it's incredible.

2194
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 2: What about it when it shifts to now, we're going

2195
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: to take the sport with the UFC model, and right now,

2196
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 2: what is UFC matchmaking? I'm complaining all the time about

2197
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: how watered down it is. We're complaining all the time

2198
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 2: about the fighters not getting paid enough what they deserve.

2199
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 2: And you're just going to force that that model and

2200
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 2: that shape into the sport and then tell everybody, we've

2201
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 2: taken over. Who's gonna wear your championships unless you can

2202
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 2: get not two or three big free agents, but unless

2203
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: you can find a way to sign deals with these

2204
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 2: major promoters and bring these rosters. And it's going to

2205
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 2: take a long time to build up that base of

2206
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 2: fighters that are credible enough for you to be able

2207
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: to look at them.

2208
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Say father with the Saudi like as Saudi's money.

2209
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: Right, But it's a UFC kind of making everybody conform

2210
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 3: to this new way, right, is you.

2211
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 2: Think Scardela Hoy is gonna work for Dane White, like

2212
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, we think we think top

2213
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 2: ranked you know, is gonna.

2214
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Work for the milk Dale.

2215
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 5: Hoyer has thought this through as like a grand strategy

2216
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 5: and his role in it. He was happy to sell

2217
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 5: off Ring magazine. He was happy to do They did

2218
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 5: Latino Knight. Didn't they do Latino Night in Saudi Arabia?

2219
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: Yes? Like, what the fuck are you doing?

2220
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I think this was almost a soft

2221
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 2: heel turn by Turkey and he doesn't realize it where

2222
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 2: it's shaking up things too much and not going in

2223
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 2: the direction people thought. People thought he's actually unifying the sport, right,

2224
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 2: you're bringing to you that last card, the greatest card

2225
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: in the history of life, whatever it was, the peoples,

2226
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 2: the last crescendo. To his credit, he brought to be

2227
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 2: together the six biggest promoters in the sport. They didn't

2228
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 2: give their best fighters ever, but we saw a very deep,

2229
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: amazing card. People were rallying around that unity because we've

2230
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 2: been so disjointed in boxing. This new plan is only

2231
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: unity if everybody buys in, bows down and gives up

2232
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: their fighters to them.

2233
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 1: A fifth belt. So now basically so it doesn't.

2234
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 2: Fit the belts if you're only adding a fifth belt

2235
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 2: to what we're doing a six because now we have

2236
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 2: Ring magazine here.

2237
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: Here's so weird.

2238
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 5: In that video, Turkey's like, Oh, Dana's gonna make boxing

2239
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 5: great again. It's like, Turkey, I thought that's what you

2240
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 5: were doing, Like you didn't. What have you been doing

2241
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 5: the last.

2242
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: Two I think anybody that looked at Turkey as boxing

2243
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 2: Santa Claus is now questioning weight. He's not in it

2244
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 2: to give us the biggest fights ever? Is he's in it?

2245
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 5: Because I can't believe the guy the country that executes

2246
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 5: people for tweets all of a sudden wants to have

2247
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 5: control over the thing. They're putting millions of dollars in.

2248
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 5: That sounds so unlike.

2249
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 2: So I'm even though when the news hit I alsously

2250
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 2: had the same reaction of everybody is, oh my god,

2251
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 2: you have to take this seriously, Like you have to

2252
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 2: take this seriously. These are the people that actually could

2253
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 2: pull it off, and the money from that side of

2254
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 2: the world is the money that can pay for it.

2255
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 2: But how do they get from this rollout? Even if

2256
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 2: they do? Crawford Canelo, and I'll guarantee you they're going

2257
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 2: to do the best, you know, as good a job

2258
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 2: as anybody could. That's what they're that's what they're all about.

2259
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 2: But how do they take that to actually being able

2260
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 2: to say we have the best roster in boxing. You

2261
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 2: can put out really good fights and they I'm sure

2262
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 2: they're gonna make the hell out of them. But if

2263
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 2: you don't have those big names, how long will it take?

2264
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 5: They told Sportico they're gonna initially look to sign around

2265
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy or so fighters, So I think

2266
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 5: they're gonna build from the ground up and then sign

2267
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 5: from the top down. That's that's the model that everyone

2268
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 5: tends to follow. To your point, I don't know how

2269
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 5: far they're gonna get with it or how fast it

2270
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 5: really remains to be seen. I'm gonna say it again, dude,

2271
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 5: you're talking about a giant, multi billion dollar company with

2272
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 5: also backed by Saudi money. This is a juggernaut and

2273
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 5: a half. And again, do we really think that the

2274
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 5: sanctioning bodies are going to put up a great fight

2275
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 5: for their own future? Do we really think that other

2276
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 5: promoters are gonna think this bob A.

2277
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: They might do it now. Don't you think that was

2278
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 2: a that was a sign when Turkey's pushing away all

2279
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 2: the belts, like it felt like it all played together.

2280
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:48,839
Speaker 2: Maybe it was random, and it was it was separate,

2281
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 2: but it felt like it's all part of the world control.

2282
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 5: To be clear, there was a community note on Marcos

2283
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 5: Bjagis's tweet where it was like, it turns out Turkey

2284
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 5: wasn't exactly saying that, but it doesn't really matter because

2285
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 5: Dana in the interview with Dan Rayfield was like, yeah,

2286
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 5: we're not going to work with the sanctioning body, So

2287
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 5: metaphor or otherwise, it doesn't really matter. But the point

2288
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 5: I want to make is, yet, do I totally acknowledge

2289
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 5: all of the points you raise about the headwinds?

2290
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: They are real.

2291
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 5: The reality is, dude, we got here because one, we

2292
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 5: let a monopoly grow in a sister industry.

2293
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: That's one.

2294
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 5: And also because the people who make boxing what it

2295
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 5: is are shit bags.

2296
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like boxing was perfect or fixed.

2297
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 5: Or shacks who don't care about fixing the problems, And

2298
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 5: so here comes somebody who's like, oh, I'll fix your

2299
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 5: fucking problems.

2300
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 2: For here's the potential main difference. Okay, Al Hayman has

2301
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 2: been seen at as good and bad at different times

2302
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 2: in his run, and he's done very powerful things to

2303
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 2: change the sport over time. But what did the fighters

2304
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 2: say about him at the end of the day. Every

2305
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 2: single time, they thank him for changing every times and

2306
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 2: taking care of them and giving them opportunities. And that's

2307
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 2: the same way people were looking at Turkey under when

2308
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 2: he was boxing Santa Claus. He is paying these fighters

2309
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 2: and great flying out legends, making it feel like I

2310
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 2: love every part of that, the gala feel of it.

2311
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 2: It's not bad at all. But how can Dana bringing

2312
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 2: the UFC model into boxing still be about the fighters.

2313
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure some big name fighters are going to sign

2314
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 2: with them and get big money up front. Like I'm

2315
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 2: not doubting that it's Turkey putting in the money. But

2316
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 2: you saw you, guys probably saw. I interviewed Kenelo yesterday

2317
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 2: on CBS Sports HQ and asked him his thoughts on

2318
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 2: TKO and Dana coming in. His answer was basically built around, Hey,

2319
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 2: if it's good for if it's better for the fighters,

2320
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 2: good for the fighters, I'm all in. They're going to

2321
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 2: be good for the fighters. If it's good for the

2322
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 2: fighters then, Yet like he was all about like, yeah,

2323
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 2: I want promoters that come in that are actually all

2324
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: about the fighters, and it's probably taking a shot at

2325
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 2: Oscar de la Hoya and I get that, But do

2326
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 2: we assume that Dana is going to come in and

2327
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 2: be about the fighters here?

2328
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 3: Well, if you look at the top one hundred paid

2329
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 3: athletes of the last year on that list that came out,

2330
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 3: I think for Forbes, right like, there were six boxers,

2331
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 3: the least one on that the one that came in

2332
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 3: like ninety something was in a way who hasn't even

2333
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,679
Speaker 3: fought in the United States and what how many years?

2334
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 3: And there were zero MMA names on there. And I

2335
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 3: think that that's kind of the that's kind of the difference,

2336
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 3: is it. I don't think if you're following a certain model,

2337
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 3: even if it's not initially, especially if they're using the Saudi

2338
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 3: money and they're bringing in you know, like you said,

2339
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 3: from the top, they're getting certain there's getting certain guys.

2340
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 3: They're just gradually pushing it towards what that would become.

2341
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 3: So the days of that happening of you having six

2342
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 3: boxers in that list are probably limited.

2343
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: If that's the way it goes right. It's just so.

2344
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 5: Funny to me when people are like, oh, the UFC

2345
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 5: model really fixes things, I'm like, dude, the model is

2346
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 5: we just take the money and you don't like people

2347
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 5: act like it's some fucking revolutionary idea.

2348
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 2: It's actually the old boxing model. It's the old boxing

2349
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 2: model where the.

2350
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 5: Promoters rip absolutely nothing revolutionary about it at all.

2351
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: It just switches the power and the way they're just

2352
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: changing there.

2353
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 3: I have no idea how they ali act like, like,

2354
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 3: what can happen?

2355
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 1: What's going to happen with this? I don't know. I

2356
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: don't know, but the way things are set up.

2357
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 2: There, it is big news. But there's still so many

2358
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: questions because what is the UFC model. The UFC model

2359
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 2: is we have all these managers that are they want

2360
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 2: to keep the job and are willing to kind of

2361
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 2: lean UFC's way in a lot of these situations. Are

2362
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 2: all these lead promoters going to become boxing essentially managers

2363
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 2: and feeders.

2364
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 5: I have a feeling they'll be they'll do the exact

2365
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 5: same do and all the boxers too.

2366
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 1: I would never do that, You'll you.

2367
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 2: Think, so I feel like these boxing The one thing

2368
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 2: about the wild West spirit of the business side of it,

2369
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 2: which is either a good or a bad at different times.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's fun. Sometimes that's the only story you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Is it's like these gunslingers. Sometimes they'll team up when

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Speaker 2: the money makes sense, but they're all even though that's

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Speaker 2: a fault when they're only looking to get their individual

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Speaker 2: piece of the pie. I can't take what Dane is

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Speaker 2: saying is truth. There's never been money invested back into

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Speaker 2: the sport. Like these guys are all swinging corporate raiders.

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Speaker 2: They're all cowboys in the sense.

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Speaker 5: There's not a big sign in Vegas that says home

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Speaker 5: of Boxing. But you know where the money goes in

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01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 5: Terrence Crawford's pocket, right in Errol Spence's pocket, in Canelo's pocket.

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Speaker 1: That's why you.

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Speaker 5: Don't see the big Neon sign for you know, Boxing Inc.

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01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 5: Or whatever the fuck in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: That's why.

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Speaker 5: That's why again it's not, oh, here, here's my genius idea.

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Speaker 5: Instead of the boxer's taking the money, we will take

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Speaker 5: the money. Congratulate me on my business acumen.

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Speaker 2: That's why I thought, are we doing Dana was saying,

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Speaker 2: we'll be HBO. I thought that could have worked. What

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Speaker 2: if they became Turkey's pay per view network, right for

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01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 2: everything Turkey's doing, which is working with almost every promoter

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Speaker 2: and putting kind of putting people with their back against

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Speaker 2: the wall and saying you're either with me or you're not.

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01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 2: But if they're gonna come in and say from day one,

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Speaker 2: we will be our own separate thing and we will

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Speaker 2: own them all boxing, I don't know if that'll work.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we shall see, we shall see. But I

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Speaker 2: want to thank our sponsor Cuervo and all of our sponsors.

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Speaker 2: Of course, shout out to DraftKings and all of that.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching us right now in the Draft Kings network.

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Speaker 2: This has been UFC three thirteen pregame preview and Chuck Mindenhall,

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01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 2: always a pleasure when you can slide in with us.

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01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 2: Let me interrupt you a lot, and just you know.

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Speaker 1: You're gotten really good about that. You barely you do

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01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: you don't know, you don't really, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean I still do it to this guy, but you

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01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 2: know it's a passionate verbal sparring war that we've got

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01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 2: going on. Chuck, do you want to tell anybody anything

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01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 2: about your life? Your prostate history? Like what are you

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01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 2: got going on now.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to hear about that. I'm over it

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01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 3: to uncrowned. That's where my byline is, and that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Is that true what they're saying about you on the screen.

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Speaker 1: M I do have relatives in Kentucky?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Luke Thomas, you've been a great

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Speaker 2: dad today.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying, motherfucker, I'm trying.

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01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if I deserve that.

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Speaker 1: Be fair?

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Speaker 2: All right, Long Island, Luke of the main Card minute

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Speaker 2: this weekend, can the fans get a lot of you?

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Speaker 4: Yes, full card Watch along six thirty pm.

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Speaker 1: Join in. Thanks, all right.

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Speaker 2: The Luke Thomas Network also offering companion cover.

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Speaker 5: I'm not so sure yet because I have friends coming

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01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 5: from out of town, so I got to figure that

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Speaker 5: part out. If I don't have one Saturday, I'll have

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Speaker 5: one Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Do they speak Spanish?

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Speaker 1: Um? Yes, all of them. Do you want to plug

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Speaker 1: your X No, you're twit Twitter? Okay, let's get your Twitter.

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01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: Fuck Twitter? Fuck Twitter.

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01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 2: Do you want to plug your Blue Sky?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 5: Follow me on Blue Sky. The third Rich is not

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Speaker 5: in my mentions.

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Speaker 2: No, Chuck, real quick, Chuck. Any thoughts on that new

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01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 2: TV deal for power slap on YouTube?

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Speaker 1: Can can we close the show?

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Speaker 2: It's a v chain sponsor, Okay, all right? For Luke

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Speaker 2: Thomas and the great Chuck, Minden Hall and our fantastic staff,

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Speaker 2: I'm BC. We hope you have enjoyed this. We'll see

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Speaker 2: you next time.

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck me. Sorry