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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show starts right now. A lot going on. We've

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Speaker 1: got protests continuing as we said they would. UCLA they

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Speaker 1: had pepper spray deployed. Things getting messy over at the

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Speaker 1: campus on the west coast. Here on the east coast, Columbia,

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Speaker 1: NYPD breaks it up. A lot going on there. There's

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Speaker 1: some movement on Capitol Hill about an anti Semitism bill

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Speaker 1: that we should certainly discuss the needs of the UCLA protesters. Fascinating,

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Speaker 1: fascinating document. Yes, a lot of vegan and gluten free requests,

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Speaker 1: but understand they're largely gluten free out of choice, Clay,

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Speaker 1: they don't have Celiac disease like some of us. For

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Speaker 1: some of us, it's not a choice. But there's something

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Speaker 1: else that's happened just in the last hour I want

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Speaker 1: to jump right into, and that is Joe Biden, who yes,

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Speaker 1: is technically the President of the United States. He addressed

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Speaker 1: the people. It was short, it was not sweet. We

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Speaker 1: want you to hear some of this. This is cut

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Speaker 1: one play it.

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Speaker 2: We are not an authoritarian nation where we silence people

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Speaker 2: are squashed. Descent American people are heard. In fact, peaceful

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Speaker 2: protests is in the best tradition of how Americans respond

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Speaker 2: to consequential issues. But neither are we a lawless country.

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Speaker 2: We are a civil society. An order must prevail for

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Speaker 2: aut our history. We've often faced moments like this because

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Speaker 2: we are a big, diverse, free thinking and freedom loving nation,

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Speaker 2: and moments like this are always those who rush in

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Speaker 2: to score political points. But this isn't a moment for politics.

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Speaker 2: It's a moment for clarity. So let me be clear.

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Speaker 2: Peaceful protest in America. Violent protest is not protected. Peaceful

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Speaker 2: protest is.

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Speaker 1: Clay. Let me just say, the notion that we need

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Speaker 1: a reminder here about peaceful protest is absurd. Nobody would care.

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Speaker 1: We all know that there would be no interest in

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Speaker 1: any of this in terms of the new cycle and

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Speaker 1: everything else, if they were just showing up in the

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Speaker 1: quad as they do countless times and do everything in

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Speaker 1: their power to get attention for themselves with their stupid

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Speaker 1: slogans and whatever the cause of the day may be.

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Speaker 1: The issue here is they have decided to choose violence, disorder,

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Speaker 1: and destruction. They have decided that they are going to

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Speaker 1: break the law. But Biden so weak on this. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing, he's trying some both sides ism, right, like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, this saw I needs peaceful protests, that saw

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Speaker 1: I needs to be respectful. I was thinking about this

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Speaker 1: when he was speaking just last hour or so. What

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Speaker 1: would we advise him to say at this point if

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Speaker 1: we were Joe Biden right, think about it this way.

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Speaker 1: He can't say what is clearly moral and what needs

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Speaker 1: to be said, which is this stuff is crazy. Stop

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Speaker 1: breaking the law, Stop acting like spoiled children, Stop being

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Speaker 1: anti Semites, because he'll lose some portion of his base,

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Speaker 1: the left and also the anti Semitic pro Palestinian movement

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Speaker 1: in this country. He needs them. So what does he say.

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Speaker 1: He kind of does what he did, which is really

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Speaker 1: say almost nothing. Nothing. We need to hear.

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Speaker 3: Racism is bad, protest is good, but violent protests that

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Speaker 3: breaks the law is unacceptable. That's essentially what he came

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Speaker 3: out and said after ten days of silence. And what

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Speaker 3: this said to me is the polling must be awful

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Speaker 3: on this and they must be concerned that this is

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Speaker 3: not going away anytime soon. Because immediately the protesters showed

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Speaker 3: back up at Columbia after the NYPD went in I

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Speaker 3: don't know how many of you have seen this. We

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Speaker 3: need to put it up on clayanbuck dot com. I

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Speaker 3: shared a picture that was taken by one of the

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Speaker 3: Fox News reporters, and Bream shared it of the main

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Speaker 3: quad George Washington's statue at George Washington University where they

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Speaker 3: now have put I don't know, a burka basically a

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Speaker 3: headdress on the George Washington statue and defaced it. And

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Speaker 3: this is the Father of the country and it's about

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Speaker 3: seven or eight blocks from the White House. Biden was

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Speaker 3: also asked whether the National Guard should be called in.

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Speaker 1: He said no.

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Speaker 3: He was also asked whether this changed anything about his

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Speaker 3: position on what's going on in Israel and in Godz

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Speaker 3: that he said no to the extent that he answered

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Speaker 3: He said no at the press rosterrum there, and I

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Speaker 3: think this is what ultimately has to happen. But the

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Speaker 3: Identity politics coalition is untenable, and a part of me

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Speaker 3: feels like the only way that this gets resolved is

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Speaker 3: if Joe Biden makes a definitive statement and picks a side,

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Speaker 3: and he should pick Israel because they're the good side,

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Speaker 3: to the extent that you want to break this into

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Speaker 3: a very difficult choice to make. But in making that choice,

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Speaker 3: that's the calculus.

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Speaker 1: That's why Clay I think there's nothing he could say

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Speaker 1: at this point that would change the political challenge that

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Speaker 1: he really has because he can't make everybody happy here.

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Speaker 1: He is saying that there is no place in America

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Speaker 1: for anti Semitism or hate against Palestinians. Play two.

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear about this as well. There should be

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Speaker 2: no place in any campus, no place in America for

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism or threats of violence against Jewish students. There

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Speaker 2: is no place for hate speech or violence of any kind,

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Speaker 2: whether it's anti Semitism, Islamophobia, or discrimination against Arab Americans

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Speaker 2: race is in America. It's all wrong. It's not American.

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Speaker 1: He's just fabricating all of this. What is he talking about.

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Speaker 1: There's some surge in Islamophobia all of a sudden. I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about how offensive this is. There is clearly a

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Speaker 1: movement to delegitimize Israel and the Jewish people. And that's

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Speaker 1: coming at a time when they're still reeling from the

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Speaker 1: horrific attack of October seventh. They're nine to eleven, and

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Speaker 1: now we have to hear whining about whining about the

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Speaker 1: Palestinian plight or something Palestinian American plight. Where is this

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Speaker 1: bigotry that they speak of. I mean, on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: you can see that Biden realizes that the situation is

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Speaker 1: hurting Democrats, But on the other this is what they've

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Speaker 1: been building to for a long time. It's not like

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Speaker 1: this just happens suddenly on Joe Biden's watch. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of anti semitism on campus, the Palestinian cause has,

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Speaker 1: and it was fashionable for the left when I was

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Speaker 1: in college. I remember there were pro Palaestinian protests. It's

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Speaker 1: just now, given the mass casualty attack of October seventh,

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Speaker 1: that I think there's a particular outrage and there should

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Speaker 1: be at Oh, but you know, both sides need to

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Speaker 1: calm things down now. No, I mean, one side acted

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Speaker 1: monstrously and the other side is responding to it. Clay,

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Speaker 1: here we have Biden doing the both sides Oh, we

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Speaker 1: just played it that both sides is them. It's not

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Speaker 1: gonna work right now. People aren't going to accept this.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's doing what he accused Trump of doing at Charlottesville.

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Speaker 3: When Trump said there were very fine people on both

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Speaker 3: the Roberty Lea statue there, and the media turned it

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Speaker 3: was a very dishonest editing. Biden relied on that dishonesty

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Speaker 3: as the foundation of his decision to run for president

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Speaker 3: of the United States, And if we had a truly

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Speaker 3: not partisan media out there, they would point to this

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Speaker 3: being a complete failure of the basis upon which Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden decided to run for president himself. There are hundreds,

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Speaker 3: if not thousands of Charlottesville's taking place right now, and

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Speaker 3: Biden said he was running to restore the soul of

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Speaker 3: the nation. Does anybody think the soul of the nation

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Speaker 3: is strong? When Jewish kids at UCLA are not allowed

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Speaker 3: into the center of campus, when there are Palestinian flags

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Speaker 3: being raised on places like the University of North Carolina

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Speaker 3: Chapel Hill, which is far from a left wing location,

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Speaker 3: and I look at it and I just say Biden

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Speaker 3: doesn't have the ability to lead and Buck. This is

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Speaker 3: a good question for you because you've been a Republican

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Speaker 3: for a long time. Can you think of a situation

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Speaker 3: where two major parts of the Republican coalition were going

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Speaker 3: head to head and American President had to somehow fenagul

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Speaker 3: it while worrying about his own reelection, Because that's the

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Speaker 3: real story here. Biden can't pick aside and win reelection.

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Speaker 3: That's the calculus I think they have come to in

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Speaker 3: the White House. Well, though, because Conservatism and the Republican

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Speaker 3: generally are shared principle, shared approach to the Constitution and

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Speaker 3: day to day lives and family and God and faith.

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Speaker 3: It's not what is your skin color, what is your ethnicity?

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Speaker 3: Now you have to believe the following things. But other

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Speaker 3: people who also have different skin colors and ethnicities will

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Speaker 3: be told they are victims, and you will come together

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Speaker 3: it's core constitutional principles or push socialism or whatever the

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Speaker 3: left wants in the moment. Yeah, we don't have that, right,

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Speaker 3: we don't have a situation that that is in any

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Speaker 3: what they're seeing right now, but to the point that

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Speaker 3: we have been making of it as soon as I

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Speaker 3: thought this through. And this comes from covering the.

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Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street BLM. It's all the same, not only

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Speaker 1: the same nonsense in a lot of ways, some of

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Speaker 1: the same people you're seeing these protesters quote.

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Speaker 3: Safe a three year old chick like that, that is

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Speaker 3: a professional protester that has shown up at everything she's

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Speaker 1: For those of you who didn't I read an article

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Speaker 1: purposeless people. These are individuals who are showing up with

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Speaker 1: outside of themselves. The whole thing is really a like

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Speaker 1: a like a bacchanal of narcissism. It's a narcissism parade.

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Speaker 1: It's one one big self congratulation machine. Even Biden himself,

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Speaker 1: this is the end of his mini presser, which is

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Speaker 1: I think the best he could manage this is cut three.

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, I'm not actually going to change

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Speaker 1: anything in the Middle East. So just so you know,

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Speaker 1: play three. The protests forced.

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Speaker 2: You to be consider any of the policies with regard

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Speaker 1: Oh do you think the National Yard should intervene? Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I mean he said to the National Guard. Put that

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Speaker 1: aside for a second. He's not going to change anything

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East. I don't think anyone really believes

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Speaker 1: that US policy will in any way be influenced by

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Speaker 1: these by these often idiotic and nasty protests. And so

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Speaker 1: then you get to the best thing I can say

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Speaker 1: about what's going on on campus right now. Well, a

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Speaker 1: couple of good things. One. I think it's helping Republicans,

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Speaker 1: I really do. I think this is showing people the

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Speaker 1: craziness and they don't have all It's not BLM. You

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Speaker 1: don't have the white guilt situation of everyone. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I have to just suspend rationality and reality because I

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Speaker 1: want to make people happy. But beyond that, BLM had

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Speaker 1: really negative consequences for the country. I think this the

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Speaker 1: best thing you can say about it is that the

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Speaker 1: results will be so meager, perhaps non existent, that the

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Speaker 1: good news is these imbeciles aren't going to actually change anything.

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Speaker 1: They're just wasting everyone's time and acting like fools.

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Speaker 3: I also think there are certain moments of these protests

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Speaker 3: that are cutting through and being recognized by people who

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Speaker 3: otherwise are not particularly political. And I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 3: at Chapel Hill. Now those frat guys help to replace

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Speaker 3: it with the American flag. The President spoke out. The

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Speaker 3: frat guys I think have raised over three hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back in. You know, there is some

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Speaker 1: All true. Yes, cannot deny any of the things that

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Speaker 3: I would think the pressure there is substantial. That Palestinian

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Speaker 3: clarion call that I believe has cut through the noise.

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Speaker 3: And I think there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: I think that was a holy crap moment for them.

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Speaker 1: I really do.

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Speaker 3: And I think this is the kind of thing you

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Speaker 3: talk about North Carolina as a battleground to the extent

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Speaker 3: comfortable win because I wanted to be win by like.

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Speaker 1: A point in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think that they're going to be able

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Speaker 3: to make a play in North Carolina, Partly because of this.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we are clear here.

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Speaker 1: We're aware that the GOP, the elected officials of the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party, have an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from

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Speaker 1: the jaws of victory. This House, I read it last night.

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Speaker 1: The House overwhelmingly has passed this Awareness of Anti Semitism

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Speaker 1: Bill sixty one, co sponsors fifteen Democrats going along with this.

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Speaker 1: The bill has approved three hundred and twenty to ninety one,

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Speaker 1: a majority of Democrats, one hundred and thirty three of

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Speaker 1: them joining Republicans. What are these imbeciles doing. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Republicans? This is not your This is

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Speaker 1: not of your doing, meaning the campus protests. These are

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Speaker 1: not our people, meaning these lunatic protesters out there. Why

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Speaker 1: are you doing a bipartisan bill that is creating restrictions

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Speaker 1: on speech as a matter of federal law, different from

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Speaker 1: a campus policy issue. By the way, Republicans are effectively

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Speaker 1: going along here with you have free speech except not

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Speaker 1: hate speech. That is a trap. It will be used

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Speaker 1: and abused against the right and against Republicans the second

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Speaker 1: the dust clears on these protests. In fact, it has

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Speaker 1: been a trap all along. Free speech does include hate speech.

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Speaker 1: I know people don't necessarily like to hear it, but

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Speaker 1: it is true. If you cannot say mean things I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about legally now, if you cannot say mean or

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Speaker 1: offensive things, you do not have freedom of speech. It

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Speaker 1: is for the speech that is hated. It is for

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Speaker 1: as I just heard Dershwitz this morning, great friend Mark

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Speaker 1: Simone's show on wr New York. Dershowitz was saying, Jerswich

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Speaker 1: is a Jewish Man who is saying the Nazis under

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Speaker 1: our First Amendment. I'm sorry that you know the Neo

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Speaker 1: Nazis had the right to protest in Skokie. They had

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Speaker 1: the right to do it, and we have to if

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Speaker 1: we abandon this now because of the politics of the moment. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're going to start legislating that we're going to have

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Speaker 1: certain speech protections for people. Clay, Does anyone think the

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Speaker 1: left is going to use that in good faith? It's insane.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: And this used to be the position of the traditional liberals,

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Speaker 3: and now it's actually become a position that is espoused,

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Speaker 3: I think by intelligent people on the right more so.

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Speaker 3: And it's about standing for principle. You have to be

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Speaker 3: okay with hearing awful things that you disagree with, and

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Speaker 3: even tougher than that, you have to be okay with

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Speaker 3: defending it. And that used to be a principle that

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Speaker 3: many warriors would stand up for. Dershowitz is old school

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Speaker 3: in that respect. He's a Jewish guy. Skokie, Illinois is

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Speaker 3: what is pointed to. A lot many Holocaust survivors had

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Speaker 3: to watch neo Nazis walk through Skokie, Illinois making that argument.

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Speaker 3: You and I disagree with the KKK to the extent

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Speaker 3: that it even hardly exists. I think the KKK should

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Speaker 3: be able to march in favor of their position. I

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Speaker 3: don't agree with it. I don't agree with neo Nazis.

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Speaker 3: I don't agree with the people who are anti Israel.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you should be able to make all those arguments,

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Speaker 3: and the Republican Party right now, when your opponent has

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Speaker 3: set himself on fire, don't get close.

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Speaker 1: To the fire. This is one. This is the other.

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Speaker 1: It's stratactically so stupid. What are you doing now, your work?

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Speaker 1: You're giving Democrats cover. This is the Biden base on

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Speaker 1: these campuses. It's the Biden base in an election year.

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Speaker 1: It is their side, it is their people. And they're

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Speaker 1: showing not only conservative Jews who have been with us

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Speaker 1: along and you know they've seen this, they've known this

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Speaker 1: all along. They're showing some sense and center left Jews. Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party creates not just a safe space, but

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Speaker 1: really an elevated platform on campus for attacking not just Israel,

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Speaker 1: but the Jewish people in general. Let's let that sink in,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Let's let the reality of

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Speaker 1: what the party, what the Democrat Party really stands for,

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Speaker 1: speak for itself. I honestly, I you know, we talk

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Speaker 1: sometimes with this Democrat as dumb. Republicans can be really

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Speaker 1: stupid too, and this is this is just a really

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Speaker 1: it's tactically dumb, and it's unprincipled. It's unprincipled from a

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Speaker 1: legal perspective. Yeah, are the people that are saying anti

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Speaker 1: Semitic things horrible and stupid and wrong. Of course, that's

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Speaker 1: how we deal with it, by pointing out what they

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Speaker 1: are saying is horrible, stupid, and wrong, trying to get

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Speaker 1: the federal government involved in claim that these are hate

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Speaker 1: speech violations. We're not the hate speech side. We say

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Speaker 1: sorry offensives, because if we are, you better get used

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Speaker 1: to saying the wrong pronouns for you know, whatever, guy

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Speaker 1: who's six ' four in wighs two eighty says his

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Speaker 1: ready for it.

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Speaker 3: That's why I got me a little bit nervous. I

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Speaker 3: agree that the colleges should be called out, but taking

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Speaker 3: the next step and saying I want you to apply

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Speaker 3: the same standard of speech that you applied during BLM,

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Speaker 3: that's actually creating a situation where there is no free

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Speaker 3: speech right because you're so worried about coddling students that

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Speaker 3: they might hear negative things. We need to go against

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Speaker 3: that now an even handed principle, And this is where

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Speaker 3: a really good argument is made. There's a difference between

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Speaker 3: mean words and mean actions. And there's a difference between

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Speaker 3: occupying a building or occupying a quad and walking through

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Speaker 3: for a limited time.

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Speaker 1: In the argument we've made, there's.

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Speaker 3: A difference between standing on someone's front lawn screaming at

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Speaker 3: them and just saying, hey, I disagree with your position.

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Speaker 1: This is from the bill okay that just got voted

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Speaker 1: on passed overwhelming in the House of Representatives. This would

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Speaker 1: as part of the federal death definition of anti Semitism.

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Speaker 1: It would include speech that quote claims the existence of

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Speaker 1: the state of Israel is a racist endeavor. It is

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Speaker 1: absolutely free speech to claim that the existence of Israel

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Speaker 1: is a racist endeavor. I disagree with it. I think

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Speaker 1: it's insane, but it is absolutely free speech to say

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Speaker 1: It's racist, it's colonialist, it's apartheid. All They've been saying

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Speaker 1: this stuff for as long as I've been alive on campus.

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Speaker 1: What are Republicans doing? I mean, they're just desperate for

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Speaker 1: some relevancy in this moment. I mean talking about Republicans

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Speaker 1: in the House, but don't interrupt your enemy when he's

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Speaker 1: making a mistake. Don't get in the middle of this.

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Speaker 1: This is a food fight among Biden based lunatics and

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Speaker 1: Republicans on the House want to look tough for their constituencies.

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Speaker 1: By that's not going to do anything. Also, it's not

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Speaker 1: They have it both ways too, the saying oh, it'll

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Speaker 3: We're excited to do this. We're gonna be headed up

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Speaker 3: soon as I finished the show tomorrow, I'm headed to Louisville.

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Speaker 3: You are gonna be, like I said, in studio tomorrow

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Speaker 3: about this?

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Speaker 1: Are we? Are we giving us I've never been before,

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Speaker 1: so it's very exciting for me. I are we supposed

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Speaker 1: we'll do it, so we'll do it tomorrow. Because I'm

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Speaker 1: actually asking, well, unless you have a pick right now,

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Speaker 3: And you're going with which horse? Do you want to

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Speaker 3: go ahead? Do you know the hold till tomorrow? I

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Speaker 3: want every Okay, you can hold it till tomorrow. I'm

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Speaker 3: calling in some ringers. I've got a couple of buddies

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Speaker 3: them what exactly we should be betting. I I love

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Speaker 3: this not it's gonna be a surprised any of you.

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Speaker 3: I like to gamble on sports horse racing. I always

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Speaker 3: thought it was funny, was the exception. Now sports gambling

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Speaker 3: it was funny. You can walk in to a gambling

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Speaker 3: coffee because there may be some alcohol consumed. Uh, And

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Speaker 3: it can help the next morning after to have Crockett.

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Speaker 1: Harry caught me drinking espresso martiniz and we were on vacation,

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Speaker 3: Com, Sir, no doubt. I'm going to Morgan Wallin tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a little bit of a late night.

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Speaker 3: He's taken over to the stadium here and I'm gonna

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