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Speaker 1: Hi'm George and Orian. Welcome to the new I Heart

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Speaker 1: This is an exciting new network that will feature podcasts

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Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, please sit

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Speaker 1: back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain. Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so

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Speaker 1: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember seeing the movie The Sixth Sense. The young boy's

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Speaker 1: famous line was I see dead people. Well, this episode,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about children and the afterlife? Can

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Speaker 1: children see dead people? Do children have memory of before

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Speaker 1: coming into this life? Do children remember past lives or

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Speaker 1: are they tapping into a memory of someone who has

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Speaker 1: previously walked this earth. We often hear about children talking

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Speaker 1: to their imaginary friends, but are they imaginary? Becoming a

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Speaker 1: full grown adult is a very interesting process. The mere

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Speaker 1: fact of how we can each get created is certainly

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Speaker 1: a miracle. Within each of our tiniest cells held the

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Speaker 1: DNA and instructions for much of what we are right now. However,

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Speaker 1: when we are little, it was a whole different world

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Speaker 1: for us than what we experience now. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: being a kid and jumping out of bed the first

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Speaker 1: always busy, always playing an investigating something and seeing life

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Speaker 1: What we learned at this very young age becomes truth,

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Speaker 1: and even child psychologists agree that this is the most

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Speaker 1: important time for kids to be loved, nurtured, listened, to

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Speaker 1: be given values, etcetera. What is learned at this age

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Speaker 1: They came from something that happened when they were just

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Speaker 1: Ask a kid what they want to be when they

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Speaker 1: To Ballerina, the sky is the limit. As for the afterlife,

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Speaker 1: agree that our imagination, faculty, and our feelings are how

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Speaker 1: are a young person, our imagination is wide open. As

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're talking

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Speaker 1: Dr Ian Stevenson was a psychiatrist who worked for the

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlaine. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra champlain and want to

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Speaker 1: share with you a conversation I had with Susan Messino,

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Speaker 1: who has worked as a rock and roll journalist for

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Speaker 1: over thirty years. It's about her son Jamie and what

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Speaker 1: happened when he was a very young boy. My son Jamie,

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Speaker 1: who is now twenty two years old. UM, he was

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00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: I knew he was an old soul when he was born.

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Speaker 1: He was just um, just an amazing little guy. And

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Speaker 1: as he got closer to the age of three, UM,

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00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: he first told me about a life that he had

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00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: building the railroad cars back in Wyomings. That was his

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00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: first memory of a past life and he was because

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00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: he was fascinated with trains and you know, and he

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00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: used to talk about Wyoming. I mean, he couldn't even

447
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Speaker 1: pronounce Wisconsin, but everything was all Wyoming for the longest

448
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: time I wrote things down. I started to keep a

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Speaker 1: journal and uh and and then I found out later

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Speaker 1: as I did a little bit of research that the

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00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: the original railroad cars in the United States were built

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Speaker 1: in Wyoming, which was really like, you know, and that

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00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: that past that that phase of his life didn't last

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00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: real long. I'd say maybe a few months of talking

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00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: about it, and then it kind of, you know, faded away.

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00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: And so one night, um, my husband and I went

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00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: out and we left him with the babysitter and they

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Speaker 1: were showing the movie Titanic on HBO at the time,

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Speaker 1: and apparently, um we came home that night and found

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Speaker 1: out that Jamie had gotten up in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the night and she was watching the movie. So she

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00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: let him come out and sit and watch the rest

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00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: of the Titanic, and he was he was about three

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00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: or four at the time, And of course I was

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00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: not real happy with that, because you know, that's not

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Speaker 1: a movie that I would sit exactly that I would

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Speaker 1: sit the child down and say here go ahead, let's

468
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, watch all these people die. And the next

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00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: day though, um, he was just completely just absorbed, fascinated

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00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: with the ship itself. It was all he talked about

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00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: was the ship, how it was built. This was just

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00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: from seeing the end of the movie. And for the

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: next two weeks he he loved to draw. He was

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Speaker 1: he was into to a lot of you know, artwork, watercolors,

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Speaker 1: pencil drawings. He really loved that. And for the next

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Speaker 1: two weeks he literally painted and drew probably over fifty

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Speaker 1: pictures of the Titanic. And this was all from memory.

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00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: He was not going off like pictures of the boat itself.

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00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: And the more he was, um, the more he became

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00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: involved in it, the more he started telling me things

481
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: that I kept a journal because it was it was crazy.

482
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: I was like, how how does he know this stuff?

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00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: And he used to cry over the fact that when

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Speaker 1: the ship hit the iceberg, the emergency doors in the

485
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: boiler rooms were meant to come down and shut, you know,

486
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: for safety doors. They shut down, but they trapped the

487
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: men that you know, shoveled the coal and to the boilers.

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00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: They trapped them and they couldn't get out. So they

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00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: were the first people to die when the Titanic hits

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Speaker 1: the iceberg. And my son used to sob over this.

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Speaker 1: He used to just wail and say, Mama, Mama, that

492
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: that shouldn't have happened that way. It shouldn't have happened

493
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: that way. It was a mistake. It was all a mistake.

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00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: And I kept saying, well, honey, I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: I understand it was It was terrible. It was a

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00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: terrible accident. And he's like, no, no, you don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: There was things that were wrong. There were things that

498
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: that were They rushed, they rushed things, and so over

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00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: the this lasted. It ended up lasting for two years.

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Speaker 1: And this all starts when three or four years old, right, yeah, yeah,

501
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: it was between mainly the ages of four and six.

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00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: He did nothing, but he wanted he wanted everything he

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00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: could get his hands on about the Titanic, every book,

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00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: every video, every game, every toy, and he constantly constantly

505
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: talked about how it was built and that it was

506
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: built wrong. There were there were corners cut that didn't

507
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: need to be cut. They should have had enough lifeboats. Um,

508
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: just you know, I mean things. The one thing that

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00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: really got me was one time he came home because

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00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: of course now he's doing this in school. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's drawing paintings of the Titanic, you know, every day

512
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: on everything, you know, tablecloths and restaurants. Um, just the

513
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: Titanic or is it like the Titanic thinking pictures, oh everything,

514
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: the Titanic sailing, pardoning on a sunny day, the Titanic

515
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: breaking apart, the Titanic with people falling out into the water. Um,

516
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: the Titanic we know, broken in half. Um. It just

517
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: amazing pictures. One of one of the pictures was if

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00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: you took like, um, if you cut the ship in

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00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: half lengthwise. He had a pencil drawing that he drew

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00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: every single um level of the ship. And then he

521
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: had all the rooms and all. I mean it was

522
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: right down to the white fixtures and the colt hooks

523
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: inside the rooms. Susan, I mean it was. It was

524
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: amazing and very It was just so I couldn't fathom

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00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: my son going through this. But it's slowly I had

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Speaker 1: to accept the fact that he was there. There was

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Speaker 1: no way that he knew all these things just from

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Speaker 1: seeing the end of a movie. And so he kept

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00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: on going into this, you know, for for the two

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00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: years he ended up having nightcares where he would go

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Speaker 1: to sleep at night. He would sleep for maybe an hour,

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00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: would all usually be within the first hour, and all

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00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden you would hear him get up. He

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00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: would bolt out of bed and he would start running,

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00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: and he would run all over the house, opening doors, um,

536
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: looking in places, and he wasn't aware of of me

537
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: or or anybody around him, but seemed like he was

538
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: trying to get out. He was trying to escape somehow.

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00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: And this went on for the longest time. And uh,

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00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: one day, um, he came home with a drawing of

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00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: the ship and it had smoke coming out of three

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00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: out of the four smoke stacks. And he showed that

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00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: to me and it was a great drawing, and I said, oh,

544
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: this is really nice. And I said, well, did you

545
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: run out of time, honey? Why why is there no

546
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: smoke coming out of the fourth smoke stack? And he

547
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: just looked at me and all like, oh my god,

548
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: you're not You're just not up to speed, you know.

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00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: He was always he was a little sarcastic, and and uh,

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00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: he said, oh, mama. He kind of shook his head.

551
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: He goes, that's a dummy stack, and I said, uh,

552
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: excuse me, what's a It's a dummy stack. And he said,

553
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: it's for show. It's fake. They didn't need it. They

554
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: just thought it would look good. They didn't use it. It

555
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: It was a dummy stack. Well, years later, as they

556
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: did documentaries on the Titanic, I found out that that

557
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: was true. You know, they did have one stack that

558
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: was not a real smoke stack. It was just for show,

559
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: and that that did it for me. Then then I

560
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this kid was on the Titanic.

561
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: He knows way too much about it. And then another

562
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: turning point was when we got a CD rom game

563
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: that you put in your computer and you're actually on

564
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: the Titanic. It's like a mystery game and you have

565
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: to find your way, like you knock on a door

566
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: and they tell you to go to you know, Deckie,

567
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: to the you know, the bridge or whatever, and you're

568
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: looking for items and it's all a mystery game. And uh,

569
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: he started playing. It was really hard actually to kind

570
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: of maneuver. And my daughter, who is a psychologist, she

571
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: came home for the holidays, and up until this point

572
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: she thought I was crazy. She just said, you know,

573
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: he's fascinated with the Titanic, like kids love Star Wars

574
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: and Mickey Mouse and things like that. And there's just

575
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: there's no way that you know he was on the Titanic.

576
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: That's just crazy. So she comes home and he's playing

577
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: the game, and I told her, I said, go in

578
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: and sit with them and play that game with him

579
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: for a little while, and then tell me what you think.

580
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: And so they sat down together, and about twenty minutes

581
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: into it, she comes running out of his room and

582
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: she grabs me and pulled me down the hall and

583
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: she goes, he knows his way around the ship. And

584
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that's what I've been trying to tell you.

585
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: And she says, no, no, no, no, no you no, no, no,

586
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: he's ordering me. He's telling me, go port, go port.

587
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: If you go up that staircase, you'll be on the

588
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: bridge and then you'll have to you know, then you'll

589
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: be on the starboard side. And and and she was

590
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: just I mean, she was white as a ghost, and

591
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: she was just floored. And she said, oh my god,

592
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: there's no way that he would know how to get

593
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: around the ship unless he had had been on it

594
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: and not many kids us import and starboard for left

595
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: and right exactly, and he always did that, and he

596
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: always barked orders at us. It was hilarious. He used

597
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: to say stuff to us, like to my husband or myself,

598
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: and if you wanted you to do something right away,

599
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: he would go and straight away, now straight away, which

600
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: is a strictly an English term. Is so it was.

601
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: We used to joke about it, you know, we used

602
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: to think, you know, obviously he spent time in England

603
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: or something at at some point, because he actually had

604
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of an accent, and he would use

605
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: port and starboard, which was crazy. And so I got

606
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm thinking he either worked on

607
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: the ship or he helped build the ship, is what

608
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking. That he definitely helped build it, because

609
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: he talked about that they used um iron and that

610
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: of steel. They should have used steel because the iron

611
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: became brittle in the freezing water in the in the ocean,

612
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: and that's why when they hit the iceberg, that hole,

613
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, was cut into the side of the ship.

614
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have happened if it would have been made

615
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: of steel. And they don't talk about that the movie either, right, right,

616
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: they don't know none of this. A lot of this

617
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: stuff they don't talk about in the movie. And uh,

618
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: and when I think about it now, I never let

619
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: him sit down and watch the whole movie at that age.

620
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if he ever did. I

621
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: think maybe as he got older he might have, but

622
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: I never let him watch the movie again because I

623
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is not something for a

624
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: small child to watch. So so he we went through

625
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: like two years of this and he's painting and drawing

626
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: and talking more and more about, you know, his life

627
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: at that time, and uh, you know what happened. You know,

628
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: it was just such a tragedy that he said that

629
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: was so preventable that he would He felt really like

630
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: he acted very responsible for it, like it just shouldn't

631
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: have happened. So and he was particularly transfixed with the

632
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: boiler room and the men in the boiler room that

633
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: couldn't get out. He felt horrible about that. So when

634
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: the Titanic exhibit finally started to was created and started

635
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: to um go across the United States, we heard that

636
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: it was going to be held at the Museum of

637
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: Science and Industry in Chicago in the year two thousand

638
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: and now, Jamie is six at the time, and of

639
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: course my daughter he heard about it first and she

640
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: got a hold of me and she's like, we have

641
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: to take him, We just have to And I said, yeah,

642
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Speaker 1: I know, I said, he we have to go. Even

643
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Speaker 1: though he's six years old, he's got to see this.

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Speaker 1: So we bought tickets. We drove down to Chicago and

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Speaker 1: uh and Jamie, you know, he was thrilled, he was excited,

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00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: he was um, he was just like he couldn't wait,

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00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: he couldn't wait to see it. We'll be back in

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Speaker 1: just a minute to find out more. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: it's producer Tom and you're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sander Champlain and we're listening to Susan Messino and

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00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: her story of her son Jamie and as fast a

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Speaker 1: Nation with the ship the Titanic. When the Titanic Exhibit

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00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: was created and started to go across the United States,

674
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: we heard that it was going to be held at

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Speaker 1: the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago in the

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Speaker 1: year two thousand and now. Jamie is six at the time,

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Speaker 1: and of course my daughter he heard about it first

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00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: and she got a hold of me and she's like,

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00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: we have to take him, We just have to And

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00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I know, I said, he we have

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Speaker 1: to go, even though he's six years old, he's got

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Speaker 1: to see this. So we bought tickets, we drove down

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Speaker 1: to Chicago and uh and Jamie, you know, he was thrilled,

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Speaker 1: he was excited. He couldn't wait to see it. So

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00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: when we got there, we were with a large group

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Speaker 1: of people. Plenty of children were there, but all the

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00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: other kids were running around playing and not paying attention

688
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: like you should have ted aged, and my son is

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00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: studying every single object. Took us like three hours to

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00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: get through the exhibit because he had to look at

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00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: every last thing for for a while, not just glancing

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00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: at it, but staring at it. And we finally got

693
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: up to an exhibit where it there was an actual

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00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: boiler that they brought up from the bottom of the ocean.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of the exhibit, they give you

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00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: cards that correlate with people that were actually on the ship.

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00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: And what was really weird about it, we traded cards.

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Speaker 1: So my daughter and I had two females, and my

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00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: husband and my son had two males. And when we

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Speaker 1: got to the very end of the exhibit. It shows

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00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: you if you survived or not. Well, my husband had

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Speaker 1: a card of an actually an older military man that

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00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: did get off the ship. He actually survived. And then

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00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: myself and my daughter were two women, mother and daughter

705
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: from Connecticut and the daughter was an actress, which my

706
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: daughter used to be an actress, and they both survived.

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00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: And then my son's card below to uh French Canadian

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00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: architect who did not survive, and he was so excited

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Speaker 1: he couldn't read the board that was posted with all

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Speaker 1: the names, and he was frantic. He kept saying, did

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Speaker 1: I did I make it? Mama? Did I make it? Mama?

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00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: And I looked at my daughter and we just decided

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Speaker 1: without even saying and I just looked at him and

714
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: I said, yes, honey, you did. Look, here's your name

715
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: right here. You made it. And he goes, oh, thank god,

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00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: thank god. So we completely lied to him and he

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00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: went home, you know, just completely happy as a claim

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00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: that he saw that he survived and that he saw

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00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: all these pieces of the ship. And a couple of

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00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: weeks after now we were hoping that this would bring

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00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: a closure to him, and it certainly did. Us. Did

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Speaker 1: this stop to the night terrors? That Jamie was having. Well,

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Speaker 1: what happened was, um, we came home U. It had

724
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: been a blue weeks. He I can't remember any night

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00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: tears in between the visit to the Titanic, but a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks later he had a night terror that

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Speaker 1: I call the death dream, which it was the most

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Speaker 1: terrifying thing I have ever lived through with the child

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Speaker 1: in my life. And one night I was home alone

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Speaker 1: with him. I put him to bed. He had a

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Speaker 1: twin bed with a metal headboard that was up against

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Speaker 1: the wall in his room. And I had put him

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Speaker 1: to bed, I had shut the door, and I was

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Speaker 1: in the other room, and all of a sudden, I

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00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: heard this pounding from coming from his bedroom and it

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Speaker 1: was like a boom boom, boom boom, And I'm thinking,

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00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's going on? You know? I jump

738
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Speaker 1: up by run in there. I fling the door open,

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Speaker 1: and my son is up on all fours, he's stair,

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Speaker 1: he's in a crouch position. He staring at the floor,

741
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: and he is shaking so violently that the bed is

742
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: hitting the wall. Kid, and that's the boom that I

743
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: keep hearing, the bed hitting the wall, and he I'm

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00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: he looks like. I mean, at one point, I thought,

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Speaker 1: do I call one, because I thought he was going

746
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Speaker 1: into a seizure, that's how much he was shaking. And

747
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: he's he's shaking and just staring at the floor, and

748
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: I can tell that he can't see me. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: see me. And before I even make a move to

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Speaker 1: walk toward him, this voice comes out of him. That

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00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: was not a little boy's voice at all, And I'll

752
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: never forget it as long as I live. This man's

753
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: voice screams with terror that I cannot describe in words.

754
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: She's going down. And I realized when he said that,

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00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's he's going through the sinking of

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Speaker 1: the ship. That's what's happening. And I made my way

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Speaker 1: over to his bed without you know, disrupting him, even

758
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Speaker 1: though I was terrified. I sat down next to him

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00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: and I started rubbing his back until you know, the

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00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: shaking stopped. And I mean, he had sweated through his pajamas.

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00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: He was it was horrible. It was just the worst

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Speaker 1: thing ever. But he he finally, you know, finally faded.

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Speaker 1: He calmed down, He laid down and he fell back asleep,

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Speaker 1: and I was, I mean, I didn't know what just

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Speaker 1: to do. I mean, I was just like he just

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00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: remembered the sinking of the ship. He just went through it.

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00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: I know he did. And the next day, when he

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Speaker 1: was up, I asked him about the dream he had.

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Speaker 1: I said, Honey, I said, you scared Mama so badly

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Speaker 1: last night. I almost called an ambulance. You were shaking

771
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: so hard. And he end with this you know, dry

772
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: humor in his sarcasm. He looked at me and he

773
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: just shook his head and he goes, Mama, you know

774
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: the water was freezing, right. I said, oh, yeah, I forgot,

775
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: and he just kind of shook his head like, God,

776
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: is she ever gonna you know, get this. And then

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00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: slowly after that dream, the night terror stopped. He stopped.

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00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, it would go a couple

779
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: of days he talked about the Titanic. Then it would

780
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: be a week and he would talk about the Titanic,

781
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he just stopped talking

782
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: about it and it was just over. M hm. And

783
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: he you know, went on to be a great, you know,

784
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: human being. I mean he's so well adjusted. And and

785
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: we were actually featured on the Ghosts Inside My Child

786
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: And when when they interviewed him at the end of

787
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: the show, they asked him what he remembered, and actually,

788
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: what he remembered about that time period is that he

789
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: said the Titanic was as familiar to me as my

790
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: own house. Incredible. Yeah, And and then they asked him

791
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: if he still felt responsible, because they they we did

792
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot of research on it, and he does look

793
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: he Leaven looks like him, but we believed that he

794
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: was Thomas Andrews, the man that designed the Titanic. Wow,

795
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: talk about being responsible. Yeah, yeah, And he actually well

796
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: and he was offered a uh, you know, a seat

797
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: on a lifeboat, and he had a daughter and a

798
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: wife waiting for him at home, and he chose not

799
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: to get on the lifeboat. He went down with the

800
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: ship because he felt that responsible for the accident. I

801
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: find Susan's experience with Jamie so incredible. Another topic we

802
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: can discuss is children who have memories of being in

803
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: heaven before coming to earth. This is called before life memories.

804
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: After my book We Don't Die came out, I had

805
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: a conversation with a friend who I assumed would think

806
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: my afterlife investigations were a little weird. The opposite was true.

807
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: He told me the story that when his daughter was

808
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: very little, she kept telling he and his wife why

809
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: she picked them to be her parents, all the special

810
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: little things about them. Then she said to her mother,

811
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Speaker 1: you don't have curly hair and glasses anymore. This little

812
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: girl was never told or shown a picture of the

813
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: wife with the permed curly hair and glasses she had

814
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: before she met her husband. There are lots of stories

815
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: of very young children that still remember what it was

816
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: like before they came down here to this life. In

817
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: the book Life Before Life, the authors Peter and Mary

818
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: Harrison recount that little Desmond first spoke of his other

819
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: life at the age of three and a half. He

820
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: surprised his mother, Dorothy one day by telling her, you know, Mommy,

821
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: before I came to be with you, I was with

822
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Speaker 1: Auntie Ruth. He couldn't have known that his Auntie Ruth

823
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: had a stillborn baby about ten years before. She has

824
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: had a hard time talking about it, so the family

825
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: never mentioned it. Desmond told his mom that it was

826
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: warm and dark with Auntie Ruth. When asked where he

827
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: was before, he replied, I went back home, of course,

828
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: the place I lived before I came to be with

829
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: Auntie Ruth, where all the nice fields and all the

830
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: other little boys and girls lived. He mentioned there were

831
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: big people also that took care of them, and that

832
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: the children played games and attended school. Dorothy recounts how

833
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: Desmond told her the children used to play in pools,

834
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: but when I asked him if he swam, he answered no.

835
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: He explained, we didn't swim because we didn't sink, and

836
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: we never got wet. The water played songs for us,

837
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: but not with words. When we picked up some water,

838
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: it went tinkle tinkle. Another day, Desmond told more about

839
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Heaven as Dorothy was planting some seeds with her son.

840
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Dorothy says, he took my breath away when he told

841
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: me he used to make his own singing flowers. When

842
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: I asked him what he meant, he answered, you know,

843
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: flowers with the music coming out of them. He explained

844
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: that he and one of his friends in Heaven had

845
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: been taught to make flowers. All they had to do

846
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: was think of the flower stage by stage, and the

847
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: flower would appear in the colors he wanted, and started

848
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: to play music. As Desmond got older, the stories of

849
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: his other home became fewer. Now he's six, he seems

850
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: to have forgotten them, said his mother. Another toddler named

851
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: Daniel spoke of his experiences to his mother when he

852
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: was just two and a half when he saw the

853
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: sea for the very first time in his life. His mother, Gretta, said,

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Speaker 1: I thought that his eyes were going to pop out

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Speaker 1: of his head. He ran straight in and started dancing

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Speaker 1: up and down. Then Daniel told her I had to

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Speaker 1: go into the water to get born. Mommy, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: the same as the sea though, it was a river.

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Speaker 1: Asked where that was, he replied, you know heaven where

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Speaker 1: all the little boys and girls live before they are born.

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Speaker 1: It's where the river was. If you are a parent

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Speaker 1: and now have a child residing in the afterlife, I

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Speaker 1: would like to recommend a wonderful organization called Helping Parents Heal.

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Speaker 1: It's a community of over fifteen thousand parents worldwide and

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Speaker 1: they embrace the reality of the afterlife and it's free

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Speaker 1: to join. Visit Helping Parents Heal dot org to find

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Speaker 1: out more children are cared for by friends and relatives

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Speaker 1: and guides and do continue growing up in the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: There's something magical that happens when we get to cross over.

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Speaker 1: We can be any age we wish. Your child will

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Speaker 1: be right there to greet you when you arrive, and

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Speaker 1: most likely will show themselves to you as you remember them.

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Speaker 1: But while you're here on earth, they walk by your side,

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Speaker 1: loving and supporting you. Do you have stories related to

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Speaker 1: children and the afterlife, I'd love to hear them. You

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Speaker 1: can go to I heart radio dot com and type

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Speaker 1: in Shades of the Afterlife and there's a chat box

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