1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,937 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,217 --> 00:00:22,617 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Buck Brief, my friends. We have Hogan 5 00:00:22,657 --> 00:00:25,497 Speaker 2: Gidley with us now. He's a former Trump White House, 6 00:00:25,737 --> 00:00:29,377 Speaker 2: was a press secretary for the campaign. Is with the 7 00:00:29,417 --> 00:00:32,457 Speaker 2: America First Policy Institute. Now guy who knows all things 8 00:00:32,537 --> 00:00:35,777 Speaker 2: Trump world and politics backwards and forwards. Hogan, good to 9 00:00:35,817 --> 00:00:36,057 Speaker 2: see you. 10 00:00:36,937 --> 00:00:38,457 Speaker 3: Good to see you too, Buck. Thanks for the time. 11 00:00:38,457 --> 00:00:39,177 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 12 00:00:39,337 --> 00:00:42,297 Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts as you see right now 13 00:00:42,337 --> 00:00:45,937 Speaker 2: we're a year out almost, you know, almost exactly to 14 00:00:46,017 --> 00:00:52,937 Speaker 2: the election, and there's this panic among Democrats that Trump 15 00:00:53,057 --> 00:00:56,817 Speaker 2: numbers are looking better than not just better than they anticipated, 16 00:00:57,177 --> 00:01:01,777 Speaker 2: better than they've ever looked before at this stage of 17 00:01:01,817 --> 00:01:02,857 Speaker 2: a presidential cycle. 18 00:01:02,897 --> 00:01:07,617 Speaker 1: For it. Yeah, you know, it's so funny because I 19 00:01:07,657 --> 00:01:09,057 Speaker 1: have to admit when I went to work in the 20 00:01:09,057 --> 00:01:09,977 Speaker 1: White House, I. 21 00:01:09,977 --> 00:01:11,217 Speaker 3: Was naive in. 22 00:01:12,817 --> 00:01:16,817 Speaker 1: Not knowing how much policy actually mattered to people. It 23 00:01:16,897 --> 00:01:20,337 Speaker 1: turns out when our crime is skyrocketing and all of 24 00:01:20,377 --> 00:01:23,497 Speaker 1: our cities, our border is wide open for people illegally 25 00:01:23,497 --> 00:01:26,137 Speaker 1: and lawfully to pour into our communities with high numbers 26 00:01:26,177 --> 00:01:30,217 Speaker 1: of drugs and human trafficking and child smuggling and terrorists 27 00:01:30,257 --> 00:01:33,097 Speaker 1: now coming across the border, when wars are breaking out 28 00:01:33,137 --> 00:01:36,257 Speaker 1: all over the world and our economies and shambles. Turns out, 29 00:01:36,257 --> 00:01:38,977 Speaker 1: it matters who the president of the United States actually 30 00:01:39,017 --> 00:01:41,417 Speaker 1: is and what they push for and what they implement 31 00:01:41,457 --> 00:01:43,577 Speaker 1: as far as policies concerned, And what you're seeing here 32 00:01:43,697 --> 00:01:46,977 Speaker 1: is a direct reflection of those bad policies. But also, 33 00:01:48,017 --> 00:01:51,297 Speaker 1: you know, you lose elections when you shock the electorate. 34 00:01:51,457 --> 00:01:53,537 Speaker 3: You know, read my lips, no new taxes, and then 35 00:01:53,577 --> 00:01:54,257 Speaker 3: George H. W. 36 00:01:54,297 --> 00:01:57,177 Speaker 1: Bush raises taxes or you know, everyone knew Bill Clinton 37 00:01:57,217 --> 00:01:59,257 Speaker 1: was a dirtbag, so when he gets caught with Lewinsky, 38 00:01:59,297 --> 00:02:01,137 Speaker 1: no one cares. Everyone knew that was kind of baked 39 00:02:01,137 --> 00:02:04,097 Speaker 1: in the cake. We were told Biden was this nice 40 00:02:04,137 --> 00:02:07,137 Speaker 1: old man who was going to return everything to normalcy. 41 00:02:07,217 --> 00:02:10,697 Speaker 1: And boy, he's calm and steady, can bring side together 42 00:02:10,817 --> 00:02:15,217 Speaker 1: warring in Washington, he can calm the waters internationally, and 43 00:02:15,257 --> 00:02:17,217 Speaker 1: he's just a kind hearted person. 44 00:02:18,297 --> 00:02:20,137 Speaker 3: None of that turned out to be true. 45 00:02:20,177 --> 00:02:22,897 Speaker 1: And the American people now don't like him professionally, but 46 00:02:22,937 --> 00:02:25,817 Speaker 1: they don't like him personally either. And when you put 47 00:02:25,817 --> 00:02:28,937 Speaker 1: that cherry on top of him being so old he 48 00:02:29,057 --> 00:02:32,937 Speaker 1: can't walk across stages, he can't finish a press conference 49 00:02:32,937 --> 00:02:35,057 Speaker 1: when he's got the questions and the answers right in 50 00:02:35,137 --> 00:02:38,737 Speaker 1: front of him. It's no wonder that Donald Trump is 51 00:02:38,737 --> 00:02:41,097 Speaker 1: ahead in these swing states. And I would argue this lastly, 52 00:02:41,857 --> 00:02:47,017 Speaker 1: if the press covered Biden legitimately fairly at all, with 53 00:02:47,137 --> 00:02:51,097 Speaker 1: all the scandals with Hunter everything else, I'd argue Donald 54 00:02:51,137 --> 00:02:54,177 Speaker 1: Trump will be up even further if the press were honest. 55 00:02:54,177 --> 00:02:56,617 Speaker 1: But we're never gonna get that break, So let's just 56 00:02:56,777 --> 00:02:58,777 Speaker 1: keep our eye on what we've got here with this 57 00:02:58,897 --> 00:02:59,697 Speaker 1: positive news. 58 00:02:59,937 --> 00:03:04,017 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's always points that go to the Democrat 59 00:03:04,937 --> 00:03:09,657 Speaker 2: because of the legacy Democrat media's ability to mold perception, right, 60 00:03:09,697 --> 00:03:11,497 Speaker 2: So that's just baked into the cake. I mean, you 61 00:03:11,497 --> 00:03:13,777 Speaker 2: can imagine if you actually had a fair media, how 62 00:03:13,817 --> 00:03:16,697 Speaker 2: different things would really look all ready to how they are. 63 00:03:18,017 --> 00:03:21,497 Speaker 2: So then take me to the to the Democrat side 64 00:03:21,497 --> 00:03:23,857 Speaker 2: of things in terms of what do you think they 65 00:03:23,857 --> 00:03:25,857 Speaker 2: do here? I mean, you've you worked on the Trump campaign, 66 00:03:26,017 --> 00:03:29,697 Speaker 2: you've worked the Trump White House. You know, these kinds 67 00:03:29,697 --> 00:03:34,937 Speaker 2: of discussions maybe are only only a pretty small inner 68 00:03:34,977 --> 00:03:37,017 Speaker 2: circle around Biden would be privy to it, you know, 69 00:03:37,057 --> 00:03:39,777 Speaker 2: inside the White House. But do you think they're really 70 00:03:39,817 --> 00:03:42,097 Speaker 2: considering a break the Glass plan to do something other 71 00:03:42,177 --> 00:03:43,697 Speaker 2: than have Biden at the top of the ticket for 72 00:03:43,697 --> 00:03:45,937 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four And if so, what is that? 73 00:03:46,777 --> 00:03:50,097 Speaker 1: Well, Gavin Newsom is running and in case of emergency 74 00:03:50,137 --> 00:03:54,377 Speaker 1: break glass campaign going to China and other things. So possibly, Look, 75 00:03:55,057 --> 00:03:57,417 Speaker 1: Biden's ego is so big. I don't think he gets 76 00:03:57,457 --> 00:04:00,857 Speaker 1: out willingly. He can't be pushed out. He has to 77 00:04:00,857 --> 00:04:04,057 Speaker 1: do it himself, Okay. But at the same time, I 78 00:04:04,097 --> 00:04:06,217 Speaker 1: could see a scenario where he steps down as a 79 00:04:06,257 --> 00:04:08,937 Speaker 1: statesman and tries to play the card. And I just 80 00:04:08,977 --> 00:04:11,337 Speaker 1: want what's best for the country. My health is such 81 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:13,337 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and the media will go right along 82 00:04:13,377 --> 00:04:14,977 Speaker 1: and say, yes, what a wonderful man he is. 83 00:04:15,697 --> 00:04:16,977 Speaker 3: I'm kind of rooting for that. 84 00:04:17,577 --> 00:04:19,657 Speaker 1: Look, I want to run against Biden again because I 85 00:04:19,657 --> 00:04:22,577 Speaker 1: want people to really see what Democrat policies do. But 86 00:04:22,617 --> 00:04:27,217 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for it in this way the delicious fallout 87 00:04:27,417 --> 00:04:31,617 Speaker 1: of watching the left eat itself because half of that 88 00:04:32,857 --> 00:04:36,697 Speaker 1: group will be pushing for Gavin Newsom. But I was 89 00:04:36,777 --> 00:04:39,777 Speaker 1: told by good authority on the left that if you 90 00:04:39,857 --> 00:04:43,217 Speaker 1: reject someone like Kamala Harris, you are a racist and 91 00:04:43,337 --> 00:04:48,297 Speaker 1: a sexist and a bigot. So to watch them implode 92 00:04:48,457 --> 00:04:54,817 Speaker 1: on their own ridiculous ideology would be beautiful beyond measure. 93 00:04:55,017 --> 00:04:56,457 Speaker 1: I don't know that we're going to get that. I'm 94 00:04:56,497 --> 00:04:58,897 Speaker 1: just kind of hoping and praying for it. But right now, 95 00:04:58,977 --> 00:05:00,537 Speaker 1: it's Joe Biden all the way. 96 00:05:00,697 --> 00:05:01,857 Speaker 3: I said. His ego is big. 97 00:05:02,057 --> 00:05:04,617 Speaker 1: And while I'm on the subject, does anyone think for 98 00:05:04,697 --> 00:05:10,257 Speaker 1: one second, the person with this massive ego, who who 99 00:05:10,777 --> 00:05:14,377 Speaker 1: has run for office for half of a century, right, 100 00:05:14,857 --> 00:05:17,417 Speaker 1: who talks about his own children in times of pain 101 00:05:17,457 --> 00:05:20,457 Speaker 1: and suffering for other people, who doesn't listen to those 102 00:05:20,857 --> 00:05:23,257 Speaker 1: who are facing problems, but instead he's the one who 103 00:05:23,257 --> 00:05:27,057 Speaker 1: has the right answer. Does anyone believe he's allowed everybody 104 00:05:27,057 --> 00:05:31,017 Speaker 1: else in his immediate family to profit off of his 105 00:05:31,137 --> 00:05:32,497 Speaker 1: last name but he doesn't. 106 00:05:33,017 --> 00:05:34,097 Speaker 3: Yeah, give me a break. 107 00:05:34,697 --> 00:05:39,017 Speaker 2: Yeah it makes attention. Yeah, I would tell you this. 108 00:05:39,217 --> 00:05:43,097 Speaker 2: You know, you and I Hogan are in the I 109 00:05:43,137 --> 00:05:45,617 Speaker 2: wouldn't say the minority. Well, no, it feels like the minority. 110 00:05:45,857 --> 00:05:48,657 Speaker 2: All these people are just insistent that there's some other 111 00:05:48,737 --> 00:05:51,777 Speaker 2: plan than Biden, and I keep saying them I understand 112 00:05:51,777 --> 00:05:55,297 Speaker 2: why people would think that, but every other door you 113 00:05:55,417 --> 00:05:57,937 Speaker 2: open is a worse option for them, right. I mean, 114 00:05:58,057 --> 00:06:00,537 Speaker 2: to me, the idea that you would have Kamala Harris 115 00:06:00,537 --> 00:06:04,017 Speaker 2: as the vice president and then Joe Biden steps down, 116 00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:08,337 Speaker 2: but there's not a support for her now taking over 117 00:06:08,377 --> 00:06:10,377 Speaker 2: as the first black female president. You're gonna run an 118 00:06:10,617 --> 00:06:15,137 Speaker 2: open Democrat primary on a super condensed timeline and maybe 119 00:06:15,177 --> 00:06:18,537 Speaker 2: push aside Kamala Harris the incumbent president. If Biden were 120 00:06:18,537 --> 00:06:20,777 Speaker 2: to step down, or if Biden would even say he's 121 00:06:20,817 --> 00:06:22,857 Speaker 2: not going to run for reelection again, she should be 122 00:06:22,897 --> 00:06:24,857 Speaker 2: the heir apparent. You would think, to me, it just 123 00:06:24,897 --> 00:06:28,057 Speaker 2: doesn't hold up. I just think that that's I don't 124 00:06:28,057 --> 00:06:29,857 Speaker 2: see how that sticks together. 125 00:06:30,897 --> 00:06:33,297 Speaker 1: It does make me nervous, though, because someone like Gavin 126 00:06:33,377 --> 00:06:37,097 Speaker 1: Newsom attractive man, had runs a big state. Forget that 127 00:06:37,137 --> 00:06:39,497 Speaker 1: the policies are all horrible there and the people don't 128 00:06:39,537 --> 00:06:42,777 Speaker 1: like living there. In the taxes and the money they've spent, 129 00:06:42,937 --> 00:06:47,257 Speaker 1: you know, overspent, the rolling blackouts, everything that's horrible with California. 130 00:06:49,457 --> 00:06:51,657 Speaker 1: It's a short timeline, that's what you hit on. So 131 00:06:51,697 --> 00:06:55,057 Speaker 1: it's hard to get the American people to see how 132 00:06:55,257 --> 00:06:59,377 Speaker 1: bad he is as a governor. So there's a chance that, 133 00:06:59,457 --> 00:07:02,417 Speaker 1: as you point out, look, the left controls all the 134 00:07:02,457 --> 00:07:05,897 Speaker 1: powers of the levers of power and influence Hollywood, big 135 00:07:05,977 --> 00:07:08,497 Speaker 1: tech colleges and universities we now see, of course, but 136 00:07:08,577 --> 00:07:11,097 Speaker 1: also the mainstream media. They're going to come out and 137 00:07:11,137 --> 00:07:13,897 Speaker 1: circle the wagons around this guy and prevent bad stories 138 00:07:13,937 --> 00:07:16,457 Speaker 1: from coming out and just push him as some type 139 00:07:16,497 --> 00:07:21,097 Speaker 1: of savior for the Democrat Party slash democracy in America 140 00:07:21,177 --> 00:07:25,257 Speaker 1: and of course ultimately America herself. 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You've seen 170 00:08:44,057 --> 00:08:47,217 Speaker 2: Democrats are saying it'll be a revenge tour, which I 171 00:08:47,257 --> 00:08:49,057 Speaker 2: mean it's like they're trying to get more votes for Trump. 172 00:08:49,097 --> 00:08:50,457 Speaker 2: I don't know, people get excited about that. 173 00:08:51,697 --> 00:08:54,577 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you've seen the movie Tombstone. 174 00:08:55,737 --> 00:08:57,657 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, oh I love it. 175 00:08:58,057 --> 00:09:00,857 Speaker 2: I actually legitimately love the movie Tombstone and know pretty 176 00:09:00,897 --> 00:09:02,137 Speaker 2: much every every line in it. 177 00:09:02,217 --> 00:09:03,937 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. 178 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:08,017 Speaker 1: And there's a scene after Wyatt Arb runs out in 179 00:09:08,057 --> 00:09:09,737 Speaker 1: the river there and he has the big shootout with 180 00:09:09,817 --> 00:09:13,377 Speaker 1: Karl and he doesn't get shot. He kills Curly Bill 181 00:09:13,417 --> 00:09:15,337 Speaker 1: the whole thing, and then they're back on the shore 182 00:09:15,457 --> 00:09:16,697 Speaker 1: kind of talking about it. 183 00:09:16,737 --> 00:09:18,857 Speaker 3: I don't know his Turkey Creek, Jack Johnson. 184 00:09:18,577 --> 00:09:21,857 Speaker 1: Or one of the guys looks at at Val Kilmer 185 00:09:21,897 --> 00:09:24,017 Speaker 1: who's Doc Holliday and says, you know, if there are 186 00:09:24,057 --> 00:09:27,177 Speaker 1: my brothers, i'd want revenge too, and he's and Doc 187 00:09:27,217 --> 00:09:30,017 Speaker 1: Holladay says, oh, make no mistake, it's not revenge. He's 188 00:09:30,057 --> 00:09:33,257 Speaker 1: after it's a reckoning. And I would argue, if Donald 189 00:09:33,257 --> 00:09:35,417 Speaker 1: Trump gets back in, that's what you're going to see. 190 00:09:35,977 --> 00:09:38,737 Speaker 1: But it's not just a reckoning against his political opponents 191 00:09:38,737 --> 00:09:42,457 Speaker 1: that have weaponized three letter agencies and the apparatus of 192 00:09:42,497 --> 00:09:43,377 Speaker 1: the federal. 193 00:09:43,017 --> 00:09:44,697 Speaker 3: Government against him. 194 00:09:45,177 --> 00:09:50,817 Speaker 1: It's a reckoning to replace the policies that actually protected 195 00:09:50,857 --> 00:09:55,857 Speaker 1: the American people first. I mean, a sane, rational border 196 00:09:55,897 --> 00:09:59,657 Speaker 1: policy will absolutely be put back in a place and 197 00:09:59,697 --> 00:10:01,617 Speaker 1: he won't let Congress get in the way like he 198 00:10:01,657 --> 00:10:05,217 Speaker 1: did the first time. The lawsuits that they file against 199 00:10:05,457 --> 00:10:08,217 Speaker 1: the administration, we have the attorney's ready to go on 200 00:10:08,297 --> 00:10:10,457 Speaker 1: day one. Now that's not going to happen. We may 201 00:10:10,457 --> 00:10:12,817 Speaker 1: fight in court. We're going to win those lawsuits, I 202 00:10:12,817 --> 00:10:15,057 Speaker 1: would argue. In addition, I think he's going to put 203 00:10:15,057 --> 00:10:20,817 Speaker 1: people in place that will help find and eradicate these 204 00:10:21,057 --> 00:10:25,777 Speaker 1: sinister actors within different organizations that work to undermine a 205 00:10:25,857 --> 00:10:29,457 Speaker 1: sitting president just because they disagree with his policies. That's 206 00:10:29,497 --> 00:10:31,857 Speaker 1: going to be a big part of it too. I 207 00:10:31,937 --> 00:10:34,577 Speaker 1: do think he's going to work to reduce crime. Obviously, 208 00:10:34,617 --> 00:10:37,217 Speaker 1: the world will be a much more stable place where 209 00:10:37,217 --> 00:10:40,297 Speaker 1: we were feared, loved and respected globally where we're not now. 210 00:10:40,337 --> 00:10:41,897 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be important for him to 211 00:10:41,897 --> 00:10:43,777 Speaker 1: do too. I think there's going to be a massive 212 00:10:43,857 --> 00:10:46,337 Speaker 1: deportation effort for a lot of folks who are in 213 00:10:46,337 --> 00:10:48,457 Speaker 1: this country that don't have the right to be here, 214 00:10:48,817 --> 00:10:51,177 Speaker 1: so you can expect that as well. Finishing those last 215 00:10:51,177 --> 00:10:53,537 Speaker 1: several miles of the wall will be important. So I 216 00:10:53,537 --> 00:10:56,177 Speaker 1: think there's a reckoning from a policy standpoint. 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That 251 00:12:32,217 --> 00:12:36,937 Speaker 2: website again, is the Second Insight twenty twenty three dot com, 252 00:12:36,937 --> 00:12:38,617 Speaker 2: paid for by New Paradigm Research. 253 00:12:39,097 --> 00:12:40,097 Speaker 3: All right, Hogan. 254 00:12:39,777 --> 00:12:41,777 Speaker 2: Gidley, who's going to be the VP, who's going to 255 00:12:41,817 --> 00:12:43,977 Speaker 2: be the Secretary of State? What's the dream team that 256 00:12:44,017 --> 00:12:45,337 Speaker 2: Trump's going to pull together here? 257 00:12:46,377 --> 00:12:49,177 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, your guest is as good as my as mine. 258 00:12:49,177 --> 00:12:52,417 Speaker 1: I don't know who can get to the Senate confirmation process. 259 00:12:52,457 --> 00:12:54,857 Speaker 3: A lot going on there with with cabinet secretaries. 260 00:12:54,857 --> 00:12:57,257 Speaker 1: I think that he would pick a lot of folks 261 00:12:58,097 --> 00:13:01,497 Speaker 1: who aren't necessarily just loyal to him, but are willing 262 00:13:02,337 --> 00:13:05,817 Speaker 1: and loyal to the America First movement. I think that's important, right, 263 00:13:05,857 --> 00:13:07,417 Speaker 1: Like you can argue with the president as we gave 264 00:13:07,497 --> 00:13:11,097 Speaker 1: him advice that you know, got intentious at times, but 265 00:13:11,217 --> 00:13:13,857 Speaker 1: ultimately we work at the pleasure of the president, and 266 00:13:13,977 --> 00:13:15,937 Speaker 1: my job is to make his job easier, not the 267 00:13:15,977 --> 00:13:17,577 Speaker 1: other way around. So that's what I had to do. 268 00:13:18,537 --> 00:13:20,217 Speaker 1: And look, a lot of people voted for Trump, no 269 00:13:20,257 --> 00:13:22,857 Speaker 1: one voted for me, so my policies and my ideas 270 00:13:22,857 --> 00:13:25,937 Speaker 1: don't necessarily matter all that much as far as the 271 00:13:26,017 --> 00:13:29,657 Speaker 1: vice president's concerned. I mean, look, we have such a 272 00:13:29,697 --> 00:13:31,857 Speaker 1: deep bench. I think what you're seeing in a lot 273 00:13:31,937 --> 00:13:34,737 Speaker 1: of these debates are people who you know, are looking 274 00:13:34,737 --> 00:13:37,337 Speaker 1: and working for cabinet positions at this point, just considering 275 00:13:37,337 --> 00:13:39,457 Speaker 1: where the polls are. Again, a lot can happen between 276 00:13:39,497 --> 00:13:42,417 Speaker 1: now and when people start voting. I'm not sure if 277 00:13:42,417 --> 00:13:45,697 Speaker 1: anyone up on that stage is going to be executive 278 00:13:45,697 --> 00:13:49,177 Speaker 1: material a vice president in his administration. So I'm trying 279 00:13:49,217 --> 00:13:51,057 Speaker 1: to talk around this as much as I can because 280 00:13:51,097 --> 00:13:54,217 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I think there were some Midwestern 281 00:13:54,257 --> 00:13:57,337 Speaker 1: governors that that could be good for that ticket helped 282 00:13:57,457 --> 00:13:59,777 Speaker 1: you know, moderate him a little bit and soften some 283 00:13:59,857 --> 00:14:03,817 Speaker 1: of the edges. But you know, I just don't know. 284 00:14:04,337 --> 00:14:05,937 Speaker 1: I think we've got a deep bench. A lot of 285 00:14:05,937 --> 00:14:06,657 Speaker 1: folks could do it. 286 00:14:07,257 --> 00:14:11,697 Speaker 2: But you know, as a friend, like happens his mindset, 287 00:14:11,777 --> 00:14:14,537 Speaker 2: you know, Trump's mindset, energy focus. These days, with four 288 00:14:14,537 --> 00:14:17,537 Speaker 2: criminal indictments, the civil trial going on, how's he doing. 289 00:14:18,417 --> 00:14:20,177 Speaker 1: I was with him just a couple of days ago. 290 00:14:21,217 --> 00:14:29,057 Speaker 1: I've never seen him more angry, but also using that 291 00:14:29,177 --> 00:14:32,297 Speaker 1: anger to focus on where he needs to be and 292 00:14:32,337 --> 00:14:35,617 Speaker 1: where he needs to go politically, with taking the fight 293 00:14:35,737 --> 00:14:38,897 Speaker 1: right to Joe Biden, taking the message directly to the 294 00:14:38,897 --> 00:14:43,017 Speaker 1: American people. He understands what's at stake here because he's 295 00:14:43,057 --> 00:14:45,417 Speaker 1: seen how quickly look we used to have to point 296 00:14:45,457 --> 00:14:47,417 Speaker 1: all the way back to Riggan and Go. Wasn't great 297 00:14:47,417 --> 00:14:49,817 Speaker 1: in the eighties. This was two years ago we had 298 00:14:49,897 --> 00:14:54,217 Speaker 1: these record setting successes. So I think he's angry, but 299 00:14:54,297 --> 00:14:57,057 Speaker 1: it's a righteous anger and he's not letting that anger 300 00:14:57,137 --> 00:15:01,097 Speaker 1: take him off into directions that aren't more focused on 301 00:15:01,137 --> 00:15:04,377 Speaker 1: the finish line. I was really impressed at that. And 302 00:15:04,417 --> 00:15:06,977 Speaker 1: of course he's still just like he always is. A 303 00:15:07,017 --> 00:15:09,097 Speaker 1: lot of humor, a lot of jokes. We messed around, 304 00:15:09,137 --> 00:15:11,897 Speaker 1: we talked golf, laughed a bunch. I mean, that's just 305 00:15:11,937 --> 00:15:13,777 Speaker 1: who he is. And I think he's hitting a really 306 00:15:13,857 --> 00:15:16,697 Speaker 1: nice stride right now. And so it remains to be 307 00:15:16,737 --> 00:15:19,137 Speaker 1: seeing what's gonna happen with these court cases. I think 308 00:15:19,417 --> 00:15:22,337 Speaker 1: someone like Alan Dershowitz, who I worked with in the 309 00:15:22,337 --> 00:15:26,377 Speaker 1: impeachment cases, you know, world, were now an attorney. He 310 00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:29,017 Speaker 1: says he's most concerned about the venues, and I share 311 00:15:29,057 --> 00:15:29,537 Speaker 1: that concern. 312 00:15:29,617 --> 00:15:30,377 Speaker 3: You're in New York. 313 00:15:30,857 --> 00:15:35,337 Speaker 1: Latissa James obviously politically motivated and coincidentally also called Trump 314 00:15:35,337 --> 00:15:39,017 Speaker 1: an illegitimate president, so you know, obviously she's an election denier. 315 00:15:39,577 --> 00:15:43,657 Speaker 1: But you know, Fulton County, Georgia. I fully expect a 316 00:15:43,657 --> 00:15:46,097 Speaker 1: few convictions here, I really do. I would expect him 317 00:15:46,097 --> 00:15:48,097 Speaker 1: to be overturned when they get appealed or maybe to 318 00:15:48,137 --> 00:15:51,577 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. The reason I expect that is because 319 00:15:51,857 --> 00:15:58,417 Speaker 1: of the way the Left is operating in totality, very strategically. 320 00:15:57,697 --> 00:16:01,417 Speaker 3: Against this one person. But as I said, it's not 321 00:16:01,537 --> 00:16:01,897 Speaker 3: just him. 322 00:16:01,937 --> 00:16:03,977 Speaker 1: If you like the wrong tweet, if you download the 323 00:16:03,977 --> 00:16:07,017 Speaker 1: wrong podcast, if you watch the wrong show, Buck Sexton 324 00:16:07,057 --> 00:16:08,977 Speaker 1: looking at you, then all of a sudden, you're on 325 00:16:09,017 --> 00:16:13,697 Speaker 1: the list, right, you're in trouble. They're focusing on your 326 00:16:13,777 --> 00:16:15,777 Speaker 1: financial records everything else. 327 00:16:15,857 --> 00:16:17,857 Speaker 3: So he is the tip of the spear. 328 00:16:17,897 --> 00:16:20,497 Speaker 1: He does have that bully pulpit in that megaphone, and 329 00:16:20,537 --> 00:16:22,497 Speaker 1: I think he's using it in a way that really 330 00:16:22,577 --> 00:16:26,017 Speaker 1: is rallying and resonating with so many across his country, 331 00:16:26,257 --> 00:16:28,977 Speaker 1: and you're seeing that with the corresponding poll numbers in 332 00:16:29,017 --> 00:16:30,777 Speaker 1: these all important swing states. 333 00:16:31,337 --> 00:16:33,857 Speaker 2: Hogan Gidley, everybody, Hogan is there anywhere you want people 334 00:16:33,857 --> 00:16:36,137 Speaker 2: to follow you or keep tabs on your work what 335 00:16:36,217 --> 00:16:36,657 Speaker 2: you're up to. 336 00:16:37,577 --> 00:16:40,937 Speaker 1: Yeah, at j Hogan Gidley, on all my socials. At 337 00:16:41,137 --> 00:16:43,257 Speaker 1: Jay Hogan Gidley. You can find out what we're doing 338 00:16:43,337 --> 00:16:46,737 Speaker 1: at the America First Policy Institute on Election Integrity, which 339 00:16:46,777 --> 00:16:49,057 Speaker 1: is I'm the vice chair of that center, focused on 340 00:16:49,097 --> 00:16:50,937 Speaker 1: that of course moving into the mid or for the 341 00:16:51,577 --> 00:16:54,257 Speaker 1: upcoming elections, trying to make sure people pass laws to 342 00:16:54,337 --> 00:16:57,457 Speaker 1: protect legal votes and legal voters, and also have people, 343 00:16:57,777 --> 00:17:00,577 Speaker 1: you know, they're on game day to be prepared if 344 00:17:01,057 --> 00:17:03,777 Speaker 1: a lot of those shenanigans had happened in every election 345 00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:07,777 Speaker 1: of my lifetime actually try to be used again against us. 346 00:17:07,777 --> 00:17:09,337 Speaker 3: But Buck I appreciate having me on. 347 00:17:09,417 --> 00:17:10,897 Speaker 1: You know, as I've always said, you have the second 348 00:17:10,897 --> 00:17:14,577 Speaker 1: best name in news, Beckett best second, second best name 349 00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:17,257 Speaker 1: in media, I should say. I wouldn't say news, but media. 350 00:17:17,337 --> 00:17:19,737 Speaker 1: Let's just say that. So it's always a pleasure to. 351 00:17:19,697 --> 00:17:20,177 Speaker 3: Be with you. 352 00:17:20,457 --> 00:17:22,737 Speaker 2: Thank you. I assume Hogan Gidley's the best name in media. 353 00:17:22,977 --> 00:17:26,657 Speaker 3: No, Ali Vitally. Ali Vattally's first, your second. 354 00:17:27,057 --> 00:17:29,297 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take it. I'll take it, Hogan. Good to 355 00:17:29,297 --> 00:17:29,857 Speaker 2: see you, my friend. 356 00:17:29,897 --> 00:17:32,137 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, all right, thanks man, appreciate it.