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Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal

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Speaker 1: podcast network. Now'll get ready for another episode of Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so

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Speaker 4: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. It is

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Speaker 4: a rainy day here. I've got a cup of green

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Speaker 4: tea by my side. I'm snuggled under a blanket, and

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Speaker 4: I am reminded about the love and the inspiration from

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Speaker 4: the afterlife that surrounds me and surrounds you. Today, I

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Speaker 4: want to introduce you to two incredible mothers who have

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Speaker 4: different ways of communicating with their children. First, here's a

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Speaker 4: mom that uses a pendulum to communicate with her son, Mikey.

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Speaker 5: My name is Carol Morgan and I'm a regular mom.

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Speaker 5: I was brought up in Saint Paul, Minnesota, United States,

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Speaker 5: and I was raised very strict Catholic. That was really

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Speaker 5: all I knew in regards to anything spiritual was through

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Speaker 5: a very strict Catholic church that I belonged to with

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Speaker 6: F I'm a physical therapist.

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Speaker 5: I've worked for thirty seven years in a hospital, rehab

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Speaker 5: setting love helping people, and it's been a very rewarding

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Speaker 5: profession for me. So my background is actually being raised

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Speaker 5: Catholic and science with what my profession is, which makes

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Speaker 5: this even more while what made it crazy for me

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Speaker 5: when this all started to happen. I got married and

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Speaker 5: I have two beautiful sons. My oldest son is Mikey

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Speaker 5: and my youngest son is Joey, and we had just

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Speaker 5: a wonderful relationship with our children. And Mikey, he was

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Speaker 5: a very good athlete and he loved music and the

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Speaker 5: messages that music would give. His love for snowboarding, which

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Speaker 5: he took up in his high school years, brought him

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Speaker 5: out to Colorado State University in Fort Collins for college.

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Speaker 5: He was in the business school there and during his

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Speaker 5: years of school there, he became involved at a very

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Speaker 5: and he asked the owner, can I please try to

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Speaker 5: be the DJ and play some of the songs? He

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Speaker 5: the most favorite DJs out there. He was known for

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Speaker 5: the songs that he played. His favorite song was Love

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Speaker 5: Generation by Bob Sinclair and it was about peace, love

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Speaker 5: and unity and look to the rainbows and you will

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Speaker 5: see the sun will shine to eternity, and it had

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Speaker 5: such huge messages. It was like he was giving spiritual

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Speaker 5: Junior year, he was on a mountain trip with some

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Speaker 5: Mikey was ejected from that vehicle and he was killed. Instantly,

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Speaker 5: the policeman, paramedic, and minister came to our door to

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Speaker 5: The most gut wrenching, painful thing that can ever happen.

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Speaker 5: It was always him and Mikey with everything. But what

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Speaker 5: key to mike communication ability was that we were all forgiving.

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Speaker 5: Mikey was a passenger, his good friend was the driver.

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Speaker 5: Even with the wrong information that was given to us initially,

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Speaker 5: Immediately after Mikey's accident, signs began to happen.

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Speaker 5: started with music, and I would ask Mikey questions. I

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Speaker 5: And dreams that were so real. I could hold him

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Speaker 5: and he would say, Mom, I'm still here. I'm not

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Speaker 6: And so I did.

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Speaker 5: I started a journal things and write down the songs

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Speaker 6: You know, you got to get over this. He's gone

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Speaker 6: I know it's my son.

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Speaker 5: But through my journaling, I began to realize that there

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Speaker 5: was more to this. I went to a conference in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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Speaker 5: But what happened was is I belonged to Compassionate Friends,

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Speaker 5: he's one of their national speakers. He would talk about

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Speaker 5: And so I would get up and tell some of

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Speaker 6: Well, he wanted to publish one of those.

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Speaker 5: spiritual medium from Florida who was recruiting for moms all

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Speaker 5: if that would soften their grief. A very generous woman

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Speaker 5: When I went out there to Sun Valley, Idaho, it

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Speaker 5: and she said, you have to go. This is happening

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Speaker 5: even seen John Edwards. So I thought, well, if a

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Speaker 6: So I went to this retreat. Sally Baldman.

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Speaker 5: When she had me alone, she told me, she said, Carol,

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Speaker 5: Mikey brought you here.

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Speaker 6: He bothered me and pestered me to pick you.

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Speaker 5: She said, you have to understand that the fact that

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Speaker 6: She said that you.

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Speaker 5: Never blamed anybody, and you have this connection with Mikey.

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Speaker 5: She says, you have the ability to communicate with him,

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Speaker 5: and I'm going to show you how. And I looked

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Speaker 5: out of your mind. There is no way I can

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Speaker 6: So with the pendulum, though.

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Speaker 5: I could see it move, it moved immediately and very

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Speaker 5: very procisely. She told me that Mikey was of high

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Speaker 5: energy and this was going to work for me. She says,

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Speaker 5: and Mikey would spell things by how he moved the

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Speaker 6: And the first word he spelled out to me was love.

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Speaker 4: I know you're on the edge of your seat, but

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Speaker 4: we do need to take a quick break and then

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Speaker 4: we'll be back to hear more of Carol Morgan's story.

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Speaker 4: It is so interesting. I've never heard a story quite

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Speaker 4: like this, and it opens up a whole new realm

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Speaker 4: of what's possible communicating with loved ones in the afterlife.

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Speaker 5: There were times when I thought I heard him in

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Speaker 5: She had given me a little letter disc which looks

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Speaker 5: He talks about God, that God is love. God is

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Speaker 5: will not give up on Mikey's message. He is all

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Speaker 5: Listen to the lyrics of that song by Bob Sinclair.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing what he was doing while he was here.

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Speaker 5: He was very well loved here. He was an outgoing

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Speaker 4: Thank you and thank you Carol, and thank you to

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 4: If you haven't yet heard that song Love Generation by

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Speaker 10: was born to have our sixth, and it was really hard.

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00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 10: I got pregnant three different times, had two miscarriages, and

439
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 10: then I had an e topic pregnancy where I had

440
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 10: to have emergency surgery or I would have died. I

441
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 10: thought that that was a sign that like okay, that

442
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 10: child has now gone to heaven or wherever they go,

443
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 10: and that's my sign to just move on. I'll just

444
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 10: be happy with these five and I was content with that.

445
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 10: That's where I landed, and at that point, my then

446
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 10: youngest was going off to the kindergarten. I've had several

447
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 10: dreams in my life that were so real, and then

448
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 10: they happened while I was getting ready to write my

449
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 10: first book. I don't think I was pregnant with them

450
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 10: really yet, but I kept having a recurring nightmare. And

451
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 10: I know when they're recur that that's probably going to

452
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 10: be something that happens, which I hate, but also it

453
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 10: prepares me. But I had this recurring nightmare that one

454
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 10: of my children was going to drown and it was

455
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 10: going to be on my property and it was either

456
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 10: going to be in our pool or our pond, and

457
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 10: that it would ruin everything. It would be my husband's fault.

458
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 10: I would divorce him, my whole life would fall apart,

459
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 10: and it was so terrifying. I would wake up in

460
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 10: tears every single time. It was so powerful that so

461
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 10: many times I worked through it. I did this process

462
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 10: called fear setting, Like if I'm having this recurring nightmare.

463
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 10: What can I do to prevent this from happening? What

464
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 10: can I control? What can I choose to do now

465
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 10: to be okay with if that does happen, to become

466
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 10: a victor instead of a victim, Like I went through

467
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 10: this whole process, and I did it in my first book,

468
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 10: like I told the whole story right. And then I

469
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 10: was pregnant with Emberly while I was writing that, because

470
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 10: I would not let my husband dig land, dig a

471
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 10: pool or pond in our yard because he always wanted water.

472
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 10: He's like a fish and I hate water on the opposite.

473
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 10: But I did not want any of that on our

474
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 10: property until all of my children could swim across the

475
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 10: county pool and back and make it safely like that

476
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 10: was my rule. So then my fifth child could do that,

477
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 10: and so we started digging, and as soon as we did,

478
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 10: of course, I got pregnant again and all the fears

479
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 10: came up again. Then I had that nightmare, and it

480
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 10: was just like, okay, what can I do to feel

481
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 10: at peace here? Because it's terrifying. Nobody wants to lose

482
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 10: a child, especially if it can be prevented. And then

483
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 10: it happened during COVID of course where COVID made it

484
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 10: impossible to get what we needed. There was no fool

485
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 10: supplies available, there were no people that could come and

486
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 10: put a fence around it. And so I just lived

487
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 10: in constant fear her whole life. I was just in

488
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 10: constant fear. I had all these floaties and everything that

489
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 10: I could to try to prevent anything from happening. And

490
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 10: emberlely she was born in twenty eighteen. Yeah, I'm trying

491
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 10: to get my dates all together. So anyway, Emberle was

492
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 10: wanted for so long, way before she was born, right,

493
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 10: I wanted six children, so i'd finally come to a

494
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 10: point where I was like, I'm not going to have

495
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 10: any more kids, and then I did got pregnant with her,

496
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 10: and it was the best thing that happens. And also

497
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 10: I was just terrified because we were in the process

498
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 10: of putting things in our yard, and I was just like,

499
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 10: oh my goodness. I just lived in fear her whole

500
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 10: life because of these premonitions, and not even just the

501
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 10: pool one, but her whole life. It was like, she's

502
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 10: not going to be here very long. Enjoy her while

503
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 10: you can. I'd be sitting here working on my laptop

504
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 10: and it'd be like, take a picture with her siblings,

505
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 10: and you're going to want that when she's going on

506
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 10: all the time like her whole life.

507
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: I just was just like, why.

508
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 6: Are you why? Why?

509
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 10: And I kept thinking, this is just my fear, It's

510
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 10: just my fear. But I never had that kind of

511
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 10: fear with any of my other children. I never had

512
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 10: these kind of premonitions. I never had all these constant thoughts.

513
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 10: And so I know now in hindsight that this was

514
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 10: just preparation for what was to come. Because in twenty twenty,

515
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 10: when everyone's home, and it was such a beautiful time

516
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 10: in my life because all my kids were home together

517
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 10: and they were getting to enjoy Emberly, and my children

518
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 10: just adored her like crazy because she was just this little, tiny,

519
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 10: cute little person and she was so fun and her

520
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 10: personality is so bubbly and exciting, and she was just

521
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 10: the love of our lives. And then in August I

522
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 10: was taking a couple of my children. We went shopping

523
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 10: that morning for school. They were getting ready to go

524
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 10: back to school. COVID was finally lifted enough that the

525
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 10: kids could go physically back to school. I was nervous,

526
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 10: are they going to be safe. And it was the

527
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 10: first time I'd taken all of them shopping in a

528
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 10: long time, and probably Emberly's whole life, like a long time.

529
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 10: So she was so adorable at Walmart. She's looking around like, oh,

530
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 10: no kids like she had never seen other little kids like.

531
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 10: She had such a sheltered life. It was always just

532
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 10: at home and just with so much love. And she

533
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 10: loved going away. She loved going in the car. Her

534
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 10: favorite thing was going bye bye, And even if it's

535
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 10: just a drive to go drop her siblings off somewhere

536
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 10: practice or something, she just loved it. And literally, the

537
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 10: week before she passed, I had taken her sister to

538
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 10: a basketball practice and it was pouring rain, like really bad,

539
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 10: and it was about twenty five minutes away. We've been

540
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 10: driving so much, and Emberly, once we dropped the sister off,

541
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 10: I realized that she just if I was dropping her

542
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 10: sisters off, and then she was left alone in the car.

543
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 10: Going away with her was not a good idea anymore.

544
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 10: She just started crying like crazy the whole way home,

545
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 10: and I saying Twinkle Little Star, her favorite song, probably

546
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 10: a hundred times on the way home, trying to calm

547
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 10: her down. And it was like this, like I probably

548
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 10: shouldn't bring her anymore. And that was a regret that

549
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 10: I've had because she died a week later because I

550
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 10: didn't take her in the car with me, because I

551
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 10: left her home when I brought her siblings to a

552
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 10: birthday party and I came home. My husband was home

553
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 10: and all the rest of our kids were home, but

554
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 10: I was gone. And I came up the driveway and

555
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 10: saw an ambulance coming toward me. And I knew immediately, Sandra,

556
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 10: that that was the time I had to make a choice.

557
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 10: Was I going to listen to or follow the things

558
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 10: that I had prepared for. I knew right then that

559
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 10: Emberly was on her way to the hospital and that

560
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 10: she might not make it. I knew deep down that

561
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 10: she wasn't going to make it. Later that day, I

562
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 10: went into a helicopter.

563
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: To a hospital.

564
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 10: It was two hours away, and I got to be

565
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 10: the one in the helicopter, and it was one of

566
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 10: those sacred, horrible moments, says a mother, where you know

567
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 10: that you have to let them go. And I knew

568
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 10: that she needed my permission. Well, she wanted my permission,

569
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 10: She didn't need it, She just wanted me to tell

570
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 10: her that it was okay, and I had that moment

571
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 10: in the helicopter, It's okay, we will be okay.

572
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 6: I know that.

573
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 10: Uh it's not ideal. None of us want you to leave.

574
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 10: We love you to pieces, but you have our permission,

575
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 10: on my permission, to go.

576
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 6: And we found out.

577
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 10: A few hours later that she was brain dead and

578
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 10: I had to wait in the hospital by myself, waiting

579
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 10: for the kids and my husband to come up. And

580
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 10: luckily they let the kids come in because usually with

581
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 10: COVID they wouldn't, but they let them all come in

582
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 10: and say goodbye, And it was one of the hardest

583
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 10: times of my life.

584
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: Had she found her way to the pool? Is that

585
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: what happened?

586
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 10: I wasn't there, but yes, there's different stories from different

587
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 10: people in our family, and myand my husband and a

588
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 10: lot of the older kids were all outside playing basketball,

589
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 10: which is literally like ten feet away from our pool,

590
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 10: and somehow she made it out there. She had never

591
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 10: been able to open a door or do anything like.

592
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 10: We have no idea how she got out unless the

593
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 10: door was left ajar. I don't really know, and it

594
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 10: doesn't really matter at this point. My husband was the

595
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 10: one to do CPR. He's a doctor and he was

596
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 10: performing CPR. It was my older son was the one

597
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 10: that found her in the pool, and that's a lot

598
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 10: of trauma for him, and my older daughter had to

599
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 10: call nine one one. It was just very traumatic for

600
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 10: all of us, and for me to come in after

601
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 10: the fact and see the aftermath.

602
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 6: It was just so hard.

603
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: Something a family should never go through. And accidents happen,

604
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: and your mind can replay it over and over and

605
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: over and over and over, and I know what guilt

606
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: is all about, but for you and your whole family

607
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: at the time, everybody was doing the best they could do.

608
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 10: Right, And it's hard to sometimes go back there into

609
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 10: that place in my mind because I do still feel

610
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 10: guilty that we didn't have the pool fence up, even

611
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 10: though I know that could have happened anyway. There are

612
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 10: still kids that drown all the time with a fence there,

613
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 10: with family even sitting around the pool like it happens

614
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 10: like this. It doesn't take much time at all, and

615
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 10: it's just a little thing of awareness, right And however,

616
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 10: at this point I have come to that place of

617
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 10: so much love and gratitude for this whole situation and

618
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 10: everything that's happened after it as a result that I

619
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 10: know it happened for me. I know it happened for

620
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 10: a reason, and it breaks my heart and I wish

621
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 10: it didn't have to happen. But I also know that

622
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 10: it was a sole contract that Emberly and I made

623
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 10: that she wouldn't be here long so that we could

624
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 10: help a lot of people. And I also know now

625
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 10: that it's a very temporary thing that like you say,

626
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 10: we don't die, she's not dead. In fact, I feel

627
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 10: her more powerfully and have a stronger connection with her

628
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 10: now that she's gone physically than when I did when

629
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 10: she was here, and it's been a tragedy that has

630
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 10: helped a lot of people, so un to that point

631
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 10: now where I can forgive myself, I know that I

632
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 10: did the best I could, even if it's something that

633
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 10: I feel like sometimes when he goes like you could

634
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 10: have done better, You could have put a fake fence

635
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 10: or something. You know, there's always what it could have

636
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 10: should that it can eat you alive if you go there,

637
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 10: and it can cause you to just feel so much

638
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 10: depression and remorse, and that's not how Emberly wants me

639
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 10: to live the rest of my life like, bad things

640
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 10: happen to everyone, and I think that sometimes we take

641
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 10: for granted thinking that if we're just living the right

642
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 10: way and doing everything correctly, we're not going to suffer.

643
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 10: And suffering is optional. You can choose to not suffer

644
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 10: through something. And I think it's also a part of

645
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 10: the human experience that we want to have. We want

646
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 10: to have pain, we want to have suffering because at

647
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 10: a soul level, I don't think we feel that that.

648
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 10: We just feel joy and happiness and love and peace

649
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 10: and light, and we created earth to come and experience

650
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 10: the opposite.

651
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: I can agree with Nicole that there are things that

652
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: happen here on earth and there's so much growth for

653
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 4: our souls. You've heard me speak before about soul contracts.

654
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: It can empower someone who loses a loved one to

655
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: believe that it was all planned beforehand. And on the

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Speaker 4: flip side, there's some really awful things that happen, and personally,

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that we plan everything before we get here.

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Speaker 4: My recommendation is that which empowers you to live your

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Speaker 4: life you believe, all right, So let's head to the

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Speaker 4: break and we'll be back and you'll find out how

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Speaker 4: Nicole communicates with Emberley. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 9: Hey everyone, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren,

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Speaker 9: and you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 4: and you're hearing the story of Nicole Clark and her

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Speaker 4: daughter Emberley, who tragically died drowning in a pool when

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Speaker 4: she was just a toddler. I go on to ask

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Speaker 4: Nicole how the communication with Emberley began. Her book remember

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Speaker 4: all that is. Conversations with my daughter after she died

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Speaker 4: is filled with really profound words of wisdom, and I

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Speaker 4: wanted to know how these profound words could come from

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Speaker 4: just a little girl. Here's what she says, Honestly, it

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Speaker 4: was about three weeks after she died. A friend of

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Speaker 4: mine referred me to a psychic medium, who I was

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Speaker 4: still like the fence, like whether I believe.

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Speaker 10: In that or not, but I did it. At that point,

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Speaker 10: when you lose somebody, you want so desperately to believe

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Speaker 10: that they're still around and to connect with them that

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Speaker 10: you'll do anything. So I went to a psychic medium

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Speaker 10: and she told me that we could help expand the

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Speaker 10: collective consciousness together through our book. And then she told

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Speaker 10: me to start writing and that I could channel Amberley.

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Speaker 10: And I was like, huh, like I've never done that,

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Speaker 10: and like you, I was kind of skeptical. Didn't believe

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Speaker 10: in that stuff at all because it was all woo

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Speaker 10: woo and out there, and I certainly didn't believe that

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Speaker 10: I could do it. I had been meditating at that

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Speaker 10: point in my life and tuning into my own higher

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Speaker 10: self or soul or whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 10: and so I started meditating every morning, and then I

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Speaker 10: did a process called automatic writing. I was like, I

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Speaker 10: don't know how to channel a book. I don't know

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Speaker 10: how to talk to people who have passed away. I

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Speaker 10: tried with my dad. I'd had the five fifty five,

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Speaker 10: like I seed signs, but I hadn't really had a

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Speaker 10: conversation received anything from him. So I started automatic writing.

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Speaker 10: I would do it right when I would wake up,

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Speaker 10: because I think it's the FATA brain wave that they

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Speaker 10: tell you you're more susceptible to being able to receive

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Speaker 10: things and not think about it too much, not overthink.

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Speaker 10: So I would wake up, meditate, and while I was meditating,

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Speaker 10: I would just have my laptop open, usually with my

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Speaker 10: eyes closed, typing with my eyes. Those became a superpower,

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Speaker 10: and I would just start writing my feelings or what

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Speaker 10: I dreamed about or whatever came up that morning, and

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Speaker 10: then I would ask her questions. I was shocked when

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Speaker 10: all of a sudden, she would take over my fingers

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Speaker 10: and just write the answers. I could feel it was

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Speaker 10: not me typing anymore, like it was just this process

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Speaker 10: of just it came through me. And every day I

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Speaker 10: became addicted to that it was like my healing more

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Speaker 10: than anything else for the grief of just this feeling

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Speaker 10: of every day. I could connect with her in this

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Speaker 10: powerful way and ask her whatever I wanted and get answers,

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Speaker 10: and it's like.

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Speaker 3: Could you feel her? Could you feel her love?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I could feel as if she was me, like

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Speaker 10: taking over my body and writing through the keys. And

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Speaker 10: it was just such a beautiful way to grieve and

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Speaker 10: to feel and to heal.

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Speaker 3: Powerful. I've just spoken with a few parents lately, one

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Speaker 3: of them psychology professor doctor Matt McKay. He works that

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Speaker 3: way with his son as well, Jordan. He never bought

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Speaker 3: into any of this, but when you have a child

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Speaker 3: who passes, you go looking for answers. So he wrote

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Speaker 3: a book called Seeking Jordan, and he taught how he

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Speaker 3: does it. You know, same thing, getting to that quiet

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Speaker 3: place in the mind. He lights a candle, it takes

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Speaker 3: several breaths, gets in the zone, has something that belonged

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Speaker 3: to his son. And even in the beginning, he says,

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Speaker 3: if you start out thinking it's you, it's no problem.

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Speaker 3: Just keep with it. And then the same thing, all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, he felt like his son was the

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Speaker 3: one doing the writing, and some really profound things were said.

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Speaker 10: To hear because a lot of people think, oh, I

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Speaker 10: couldn't do it, but you're finding more and more people,

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Speaker 10: and I believe everyone can do it, you know. I

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Speaker 10: think you believe that everyone has the capability to see

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Speaker 10: the signs and communicate and receive their own answers.

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Speaker 3: What were some of the things that started coming through

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Speaker 3: that you just went, Oh, my gosh, because she was

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Speaker 3: with you such a short period of time, what kind

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Speaker 3: of things came through from her? Obviously that she loves you, mama, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and the bigger picture here.

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Speaker 10: Oh my goodness, so many there's so much stuff in

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Speaker 10: this book. In the back of this there's a topical

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Speaker 10: guide that has literally just hundreds of topics, and for me,

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Speaker 10: the most profound ones have always been about pain, because

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Speaker 10: I think as humans we want to escape and run

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Speaker 10: from a numb from pain. We don't like to feel it,

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Speaker 10: we don't want to feel it. We do anything we

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Speaker 10: can to not feel pain in any way, shape or

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Speaker 10: for I was actually looking at the book this morning.

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Speaker 10: I've been rereading it to prepare for this interview, and

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Speaker 10: I did the Rabbit Years for a whole bunch of pages,

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Speaker 10: and this morning I was reviewing them, and literally the

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Speaker 10: first five or six all had the same exact message,

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Speaker 10: like pain is for our gain, and if you don't mind,

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Speaker 10: I would like to read some of it. Yes, please,

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Speaker 10: thank you.

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Speaker 6: So she talks.

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Speaker 10: About pain over and over because I was obsessed with pain.

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Speaker 10: I was in so much pain both physically and mentally

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Speaker 10: and spiritually when she died, because I had left the

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Speaker 10: church a year before she died, but I still doubted

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Speaker 10: myself and still had a lot of fear there. So

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Speaker 10: a lot of our book topics are about my chronic pain,

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Speaker 10: both physical and my mental pain of leaving the church.

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Speaker 10: She explains, it never underestimate the power of pain. It

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Speaker 10: is always for our gain and betterment. Humans are so

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Speaker 10: paranoid and anxious not to feel or allow pain that

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Speaker 10: they often make its effects so much worse than they

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Speaker 10: need to be. Pain, pressure, fear, and all the quote.

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Speaker 10: Negative emotions are very important. Pay attention to them because

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Speaker 10: they always carry a lesson and a knowing with them

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Speaker 10: when they come. Learn to appreciate and welcome every feeling

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Speaker 10: as you would a lost orphan who needs food, water

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Speaker 10: and a hug. Love them, give them your time and attention,

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Speaker 10: and they will bring you comfort and joy that not

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Speaker 10: even comfort and joy can bring. I was like, WHOA,

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Speaker 10: that seems profound. I'm trying to wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 10: Pain can bring more pleasure than comfort and joy. I

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Speaker 10: was very skeptical, like what are you talking about? And

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Speaker 10: she said, it's always a matter of perspective and how

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Speaker 10: you view things. The minute you change your view of

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Speaker 10: painful things into what can I learn from this and

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Speaker 10: how is this helping me, you will find much greater

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Speaker 10: appreciation for the opportunities. And then in another section she

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Speaker 10: talks about healing, and I think so many of us

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Speaker 10: are obsessed with healing and not being the way that

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Speaker 10: we are. We want to just feel whole again, right,

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Speaker 10: and we feel like something is missing. And for her,

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Speaker 10: she told me basically that healing is just a matter

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Speaker 10: of perspective. We're already all whole and perfect and complete.

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Speaker 10: It's just allowing all of the things that we feel.

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Speaker 10: And heal is having human emotions or experiences and accepting

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Speaker 10: them with love, accepting them, not resisting them, because what

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Speaker 10: you resist persists. Right, We constantly don't want to feel pain,

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Speaker 10: but if you embrace the pain and treat it like

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Speaker 10: an orphan or a little kid, or your inner child,

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Speaker 10: and give it the love and attention it needs. It

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Speaker 10: usually doesn't last as long as you think it will.

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Speaker 10: If an emotion that's felt expressed actually goes away much

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Speaker 10: faster than one that's repressed and not allowed to be seen.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I want to ask you, she speaks to you

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Speaker 3: not as a toddler, but as an old soul, a

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Speaker 3: very wise soul. Was that a little bit shocking because

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Speaker 3: these they're flowing through you, like, you know, you didn't

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Speaker 3: write but she's a baby.

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Speaker 10: Yes, I really was concerned about that at the beginning.

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Speaker 10: I was like, am I just making this up? Am

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Speaker 10: I trying to make myself feel better? Because a lot

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Speaker 10: of people are like, you're just trying to make yourself

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Speaker 10: feel better? You're kind of delusional. And I was like,

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Speaker 10: these are not words that I could.

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Speaker 5: Come up with.

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Speaker 10: They're not concepts that I'm you know, consciously aware of. Right.

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Speaker 10: I doubted myself. I doubted my ability to channel for

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Speaker 10: a long time, and I certainly doubted that eighteen month

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Speaker 10: old toddler could write this stuff. But she tells me

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Speaker 10: that when you return to all that is, you become

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Speaker 10: backed with all that is. You have all the wisdom

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Speaker 10: and knowledge, and there is no age, there is no time,

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Speaker 10: there is no space there, it's just all one. We're

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Speaker 10: all oneness, and every single one of the people who

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Speaker 10: passes from this life is there and can tap into

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Speaker 10: the all knowing And so every answer that came from

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Speaker 10: her was from this, this all knowing power, this all

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Speaker 10: knowing source of wherever we came from.

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Speaker 6: All that is.

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Speaker 10: That's what we call it all that is, because that's

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Speaker 10: our new term. I guess, for God, for the power

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Speaker 10: that created us, for source energy, or whatever you want

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Speaker 10: to say, that that's who we are.

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Speaker 6: I love the.

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Speaker 10: Way that she gave me the title of the book

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Speaker 10: because for me it was such a profound experience. We'd

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Speaker 10: written the whole book within the probably the first four

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Speaker 10: or five months after she died, over two hundred thousand

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Speaker 10: words in that short amount of time, and the download

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Speaker 10: of just trusting, just trusting that it is her. This

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Speaker 10: book will help a lot of people. And you are now,

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Speaker 10: you always have been, and you always will be an

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Speaker 10: integral and necessary part of all that is. You and

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Speaker 10: everyone else makes the wholeness of all that is. You

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Speaker 10: cannot not be part of it, so it's more of

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Speaker 10: a remembering. And I want you to name the book,

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Speaker 10: remember all that is, and highlight the ember, and then

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Speaker 10: remind people that an ember and this is why we

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Speaker 10: named her this I forgot to tell you that when

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Speaker 10: we were naming her. An ember is like a part

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Speaker 10: of a fire that seems separate. It seems like it's dead,

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Speaker 10: it seems like it's away from and doesn't have the power.

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Speaker 10: But it can be brought back to life with a

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Speaker 10: little air, with a little intention, with a little force,

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Speaker 10: and soon it can be back to the whole fire.

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Speaker 10: And that's exactly how we are as souls coming here

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Speaker 10: on earth. We forget who we are on purpose. We

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Speaker 10: We come back to that fire within, and we light

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Speaker 10: that ember and we feel whole again. We feel complete

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Speaker 10: and we don't need anything else to fulfill us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to Nicole Clark. No parent should ever have

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Speaker 4: to lose their child. All deaths are hard. Grief is

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Speaker 4: the most pain we will ever go through, but I

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Speaker 4: know our loved ones are with us. If you have

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Speaker 4: not yet heard Episode one, seventy seven, a psychology professor

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Speaker 4: named doctor Matt McKay never believed in this stuff either,

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Speaker 4: and he channels his son and he gives instructions during

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Speaker 4: the episode how to do just that. For parents out there,

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Speaker 4: there's a wonderful organization called Helpingparents Heal dot Org. Loads

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Speaker 4: of free information. They have a YouTube channel that is

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Speaker 4: that believes in the afterlife and they have well over

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Speaker 4: A reminder my home base is we Don't Die dot com,

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Speaker 4: where you can always attend our free Sunday gathering with

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Speaker 4: medium demonstration. Come a few minutes early and talk to me.

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Speaker 4: I would love it. In closing, I know it's always

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Speaker 4: tough to hear these stories, but they fill us with

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Speaker 4: that they're still part of our lives, and we can

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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of

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Speaker 4: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am

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Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast network.

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