1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we've 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: been breaking down all the news of the day, including 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris making her vice presidential pick, which we will 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: be continuing to talk about quite a lot here in 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: the third hour of the program. But many of you 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: out there will recall we're supposed to be in Israel 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: right now at least i am, and then the trip 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: was canceled because of expected attack from Hesbola from Iran. 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly when that is going to occur, 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: but we were scheduled to meet with the parents of 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: Hirsch Goldberg, Poland John and Rachel in Israel. Hirsh, twenty 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: three years old, one of the hostages taken on October 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: seventh from the Nova Music Festival. Even though our trip 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: was canceled for those security reasons, we still wanted to 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: make sure we told Hersh's story and remind everybody that 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: more than one hundred hostages are still being held by Hamas, 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: including several Americans in that number. We're joined now by Rachel, 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Hirsh's mom from Juri Usalem and Rachel. We appreciate you 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: joining us and sharing your story. How did it happen 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: that Hirsch was taken captive by Hamas and how did 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: you come to find out about it? Take me back 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: to that day on October seventh, if you would and 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: share with our audience what you experienced. 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much for the opportunity to tell 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: you about my only son, Hirsh, who had just turned 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: twenty three on October third, and so for his birthday, 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: he and his best friend whose name was Honor, they 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: both went to this Nova music festival that was happening 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: in the south of Israel on October sixth, and early 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: in the morning on October seventh, very early, the festival 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: came under attack by Hamas and other militant terrorists and 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: they ended up killing just at the festival itself three 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seven people. Now Hersh and Honor managed 35 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: to escape to a roadside bomb shelter that they ran to. First, 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: they tried to escape in a car with some other 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: kids from the festival, and they ended up coming under 38 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: great rocket fire. So they were hiding in a roadside 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: bomb shelter. Hamas gunman came to the doorway and were 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: throwing in hand grenades, which Honor was standing in the 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: doorway picking them up and throwing them out, picking them 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: up and throwing them out. And there were twenty nine 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: young people who were smashed into this tiny five foot 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: by eight foot bomb shelter, so you can imagine the 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: density of human beings who were in that tiny space. 46 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: Honor managed to repel seven of those hand grenades. The 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 2: eighth one while it was in his hand, it exploded 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: and killed him. Then Hamas threw in three more hand grenades, 49 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: which caused a lot of carnage right away. And then 50 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: they just stood in the doorway with all these kids 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: smashed inside. These gunmen just were machine gun firing into 52 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: this tiny little space. So most of those young people 53 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: were dead right away. What we heard from some of 54 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: the quote unquote lucky ones who were trapped under the 55 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: dead bodies, and I call them lucky because they were 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: covered in so much blood and gore that they could 57 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: pretend to be dead. And it is from those eyewitnesses 58 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: that we heard what happened next, which is that gunmen 59 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: came in. There were four I call them boys because 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: I'm old, but you know, Hirsh was twenty is twenty three. 61 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: I mean that's not you know, a boy, that's a 62 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: young man. There were four young men who were wounded, 63 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: slumped again the against the opposite wall, and they were 64 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: clearly alive. They couldn't ten to be dead. They were 65 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: ordered to stand up. They were marched outside. They were 66 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: put on a Hamas pickup truck. They headed into the 67 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: direction of Gaza. Hersh's last phone cell signal was at 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: ten twenty five in the morning from inside of Gaza. 69 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: Now at eight eleven in the morning. We normally I 70 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: observed the Jewish Sabbath in a very religious way, so 71 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: I don't use technology. I didn't have my phone on. 72 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: I didn't have a computer, TV, radio, nothing. But we 73 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: in Jerusalem were hearing bomb sirens going off, and so 74 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: we got into our safe room and after ten minutes 75 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: it was just my daughters and I who were home. 76 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: My husband was already at synagogue. We were going to 77 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: join him in a little bit. When I got out 78 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: of the safe room at eight eleven, I said to 79 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: the girls, I'm going to turn on my phone, even 80 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: though I don't normally use my phone on the Jewish Sabbath, 81 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: because I need to make sure that hershe and Honor 82 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: are okay. And when I turned on my phone was 83 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: when I saw that there were two. I'm actually I'd 84 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: like to correct myself. I turned on my phone at 85 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: around I think it was eight twenty three. I had 86 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: received at eight eleven two text messages from Hersh. The 87 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: first one said I love you and the second one 88 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: said I'm sorry. And that's how I came to know 89 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: something terrible was unfolding. And what was horrible was I 90 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: knew that Hirsh knew something terrible was unfolding, And of 91 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: course what we came to find out is that he 92 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: as this whole attack was happening. One of the things 93 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: that happened is Hirsh's dominant arm. He and I are 94 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: both left handed. His left arm from the elbow down 95 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: had been blown off, and he was texting us, I 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: think because he thought he was dying. He had just 97 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: seen Honor get killed. He had just watched eighteen people 98 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: get killed in front of him in this tiny room 99 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: of as I mentioned, eight feet by five feet. And 100 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: since then we've really lived on another planet. As you 101 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: you know, if either of you are parents, or you 102 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: can imagine your own mother and father what they would 103 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: be going through. If something like this you can even 104 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: try to imagine, you know, what they would be going through. 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: And for the last three hundred and five days, we 106 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: have had one moment of proof of life when six 107 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: months in Hamas released a propaganda video of Hirsh clearly alive. 108 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 2: He's reading a script in Hebrew, which we don't speak 109 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: Hebrew at home, so it was unusual for me to 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: hear him doing that. But he looks gune. He looks 111 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: very pale. He has bruising on his forehead, and he 112 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: is missing his left forearm, but it is healed. And 113 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: that's it. That's all we've had. So imagine any of 114 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: your loved ones for three hundred and five days being 115 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: held in an active war zone by people who did 116 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: this to these young people into so many people who 117 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: were caught up in the atrocity of October seventh. There 118 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: are still one hundred and fifteen hostages being held. They 119 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: represent twenty four different nations. Hirsh, as you mentioned, Hirsh 120 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: as an American and in Israeli he's a civilian. There 121 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: are eight US citizens who are still being held in 122 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: Gaza right now as I'm speaking to you, and there 123 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in that group 124 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 2: of one hundred and fifteen people who are still being held, 125 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: and you very rarely hear that. You kind of hear 126 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: the media representing them as if they are a monolithic, 127 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: homogeneous clump of people, which is an injustice because they're 128 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: a very diverse group of people. 129 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: Speaking to Rachel Goldberg, Poland, she's the mother of Hirsh, 130 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: who is a hostage taken all from the Nova Music 131 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: festival on October seventh during the Hamas mass terror attack. Rachel, 132 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: what kind of updates do you get? You mentioned that 133 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: your son, Hirsh is a duel Israeli. 134 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: An US citizen. 135 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: What kind of updates updates can you tell us about 136 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: in terms of where the negotiations stand. 137 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: Oh, I wish I knew. I think that because of 138 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: the nature of this crazy situation and there are so 139 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: many hostages, and I think what I didn't mention is 140 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: it's also a very diverse group of ages. You know, 141 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: yesterday was Aril's birthday. Aril is one of the youngest hostages. 142 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: He turned five yesterday. There is a five year old 143 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: being held hostage for three hundred and five days. His 144 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: brother Fear is one and a half. He's actually lived 145 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: in captivity longer than he lived in freedom, and the 146 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 2: oldest hostage being held is eighty six. Now, because of 147 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: so many people, I think the nature of any negotiations 148 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: or conversations that are happening, both you know, in normal 149 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: channels and quieter channels, they're not discussing the details of 150 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: that with the families. I think it's so sensitive that 151 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: they know that it is something that they can't talk 152 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: about with us, which is tremendously painful. I mean, we 153 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: are living in an ambiguous trauma, a slow motion misery 154 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: of trauma that is just it is so exquisitely painful 155 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: that it's impossible for me to find words to describe it. 156 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: To you. 157 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: Rachel, we appreciate you sharing your family's struggle here with 158 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: all of us, because I think one of the great 159 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: failures of all of this, as you mentioned, there's still 160 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen hostages from twenty four countries of 161 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: we have a monster audience here in the United States. 162 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: They're eight United States citizens. How would you assess Joe Biden, 163 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and also other Republicans as well Democrats in 164 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: terms of if I go back in time based on 165 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: what I remember when there were hostages taken in Iran 166 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: and Jimmy Carter was in office, it was a massive 167 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: story about we got to get the Americans home, We 168 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: got to get the Americans home. I understand there are 169 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: one hundred and seven other hostages that don't have American citizenship, 170 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: but I'm stunned that the eight United States citizens that 171 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: have been there for over three hundred days isn't a 172 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: bigger story in the United States and in our political discourse. 173 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 5: Are you? Is that frustrating to you? 174 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: How would you analyze the American side of this to 175 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: allow eight US citizens to still be held hostage for 176 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: this long? 177 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a real failure on the part, frankly, 178 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: of the media deciding not to cover this the way 179 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: that I remember as a child. You mentioned it. I 180 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 2: remember being eight years old and wandering into the living 181 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: room one night because I couldn't sleep, and my father 182 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 2: was watching TV, and I said, what's that number on 183 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: the screen and who's that man with that huge head 184 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: of hair? And it was Ted Copple on Nightline ABC. 185 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: Every single night he would have in the corner the 186 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: number of days that it was that hostages US hostages 187 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: were being held in Iran, and it was the top story, 188 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: and there was tie a yellow ribbon around trees, around lampposts, 189 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: around telephone polls, and it was a passionate topic for 190 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: all Americans, all freedom loving Americans. And that has not 191 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,359 Speaker 2: been the case with this and it is a tremendous 192 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: slap and failure. Now when you ask about specifically about 193 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: the President, the administration, Congress, I do have to give 194 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: kudos that they have been very supportive across the isle. 195 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: This has been a real bipartisan issue. I have to 196 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: say that Senator Lindsey Graham has been very supportive. He 197 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: came to Israel three times. He always brings a congressional 198 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: delegation that is spanning the isles, you know, and he 199 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 2: stood up in October he came here and he stood 200 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: up with Senator Blumenthal, who is a Democrat, and he said, 201 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: we are here because this is a human issue, and 202 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: this is an American issue. This is not a Republican 203 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: or Democrat issue. And that will remain the case. And 204 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: every time we go to Washington, which is about every 205 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: three weeks or so, we see people from both sides 206 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: of the isle, which is very heartening for us. And look, 207 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: I think that this is a very tricky situation. We've 208 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: never in the history of war ever had a situation 209 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: where people drag two hundred and fifty one hostages ranging 210 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 2: in age originally from nine months to eighty seven years old, 211 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: originally from over forty countries, and have them hiding in 212 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: a labyrinth of hundreds of miles of tunnels underneath the city, 213 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: with the people who drag them using them as human shields. 214 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: So it's a very tricky. Without me being a military tactician, 215 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: it is a very challenging situation, and that's why diplomacy 216 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: is critical right now. Happy the deal is critical because 217 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: we are not going to be able to save these 218 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: people by military going in without losing tons of life 219 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: and probably losing the hostages along the way, as well 220 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: as kind brave soldiers who are trying to save them. 221 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 3: Rachel, the prayers of this audience are with you with 222 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: your son, and we hope he's returned to you soon, 223 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: and we hope the rest of the hostages are returned 224 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: to their families as well. I know it's a very difficult, 225 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: gut wrenching story. Thank you for sharing with this audience. 226 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 3: People need to know a man. 227 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me and I really 228 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: appreciate your kindness. 229 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing that story. And many 230 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: refer to October seventh as Israel's nine to eleven. You 231 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: just heard from Rachel Goldberg Poland that is the mother 232 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: of Hirsh, one of the hostages that is being held 233 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: still by Hamas one of our sponsors. 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We've 264 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: talked about Mitt Romney as super rich ned Flanders, but 265 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: Tim Waltz is socialist ned Flanders and here he is. 266 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 4: I thought, this is quite a moment. 267 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: One person socialism is another person's neighborliness. 268 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: Play it. We can get out there, reach out, make 269 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 4: the case, and for one thing, don't ever shy away 270 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: from our progressive values. 271 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 5: One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness. 272 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: Honestly is that makes my blood boil because that's the 273 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: problem with a lot of these clay that that encapsulates 274 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: for some of these Midwestern states where nice and progressive 275 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: are tied together in a lot of people's minds, progressivism 276 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: socialism using the force of the state to take people's property, 277 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: to redistribute it, to involve yourselves in people's lives as 278 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: state authority, well beyond the boundaries of the constitution. That 279 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: is not being nice. That is tyranny. But I think 280 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 3: that it's tyranny with a smile. This is the problem, right. 281 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: It reminds me of of Jonah Goldberg's very well selling 282 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: book Liberal Fascism from a long time ago. That's kind 283 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: of what you get from the Tim Waltzes. You get 284 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: fascism with a smile, or rather you get tyranny with 285 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: how are you doing. 286 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 5: Tim Waltz. 287 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a gift, especially with the connection 288 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: to Minneapolis BLM Kamala Harris raising money to bail out 289 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: the people who were rioting, looting, and committing crimes. Waltz was, 290 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: as many of you listening to us right now all 291 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: over Minnesota knows virtually absent in terms of leadership from 292 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: everything having to do with the rioting that took place. 293 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: To me, this doubles Kamala down on defund the police 294 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: and BLM as a force for good. I can't imagine 295 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: a worst pick. 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Back, I just 321 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: I look at this and I say, ultimately, this is 322 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party having to acknowledge that being Jewish is 323 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: a major, major issue. And I think if Josh Shapiro 324 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: had been Christian, if he had been basically anything other 325 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: than Jewish, I think he'd be the nominee right now. 326 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: And I think this gives you an important crystallizing idea 327 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: of who Kamala Harris is listening to twenty four years 328 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: ago when Joe Lieberman was the running mate of Al Gore. 329 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't remember there being a massive, oh my goodness, 330 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: how could the Democrats select a Jewish running mate reaction 331 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: across the nation among Democrat voters. It feels to me 332 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris got bullied out of making the smartest, 333 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: most strategic pick in the state that matters the most 334 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: to her, which is Pennsylvania, and ended up going with 335 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: a guy that she considers to be less threatening because 336 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: he happens to be a Christian and from Minnesota, and 337 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: buck to me, Minnesota's voted Democrat every year since nineteen 338 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: seventy two. I would love it if all of you 339 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: voting in Minnesota could flip the state of Minnesota, which 340 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: Trump lost by about seven points in twenty twenty, lost 341 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: by what like fifty thousand or so votes, I think 342 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: in sixteen. So it's been a battleground of sorts in 343 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of cycles. But if Democrats lose Minnesota, 344 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: this race is not going to be close. This is 345 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: not a quote unquote typical battleground state. I feel like 346 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: we dodged a proverbial bullet here, and this feels very, 347 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: very fortunate. I don't think she's going to get much, 348 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: if any of a bounce from this Vice president pick 349 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: at all. And now the question is, Okay, how does 350 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: the Democrat convention come off? 351 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 5: This to me is a scared pick. 352 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: I cannot fathom why they would do this other than 353 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: what you've laid out, So that means that I think 354 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: that's the likely This is then Oakham's rais Ockham's razor 355 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: moment where you say, Okay, so they really just have 356 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: so many anti Semites in the Democrat party base now 357 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: that they worry. I mean, I think they worry about 358 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 3: about turnout, not just in Michigan as a result of 359 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: this too. I think that they can look at some 360 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 3: of the other states where there are especially Muslim non 361 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: white Muslim populations that view the Israeli Palestinian or Israeli 362 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: Hamas conflict as a primary issue in this election, which 363 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: is remarkable when you think about it, that they are 364 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: so upset about the plight of Palestinians not as upset 365 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 3: about the flight of people in Sudan right now, for example, 366 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 3: this isn't about just being opposed to violence or war 367 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: or human carnage. This is a tribal affiliation or religious 368 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: identification issue for them. They viewed to something of a 369 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: religious war. So this is this is not a good 370 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: moment for the Democrats. It's the first break in the 371 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 3: Kamala momentum that we have seen since she came. Now, 372 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's even reflected in the polls, but 373 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 3: I do think in perception it's a hold on a 374 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: second moment. 375 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 4: Now, I get it. 376 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: They they probably will cover this by saying and meaning 377 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: CNN and the rest of them will say, well, this 378 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: is so that she can have a stronger a stronger 379 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: game in Wisconsin and in Michigan. I don't think that 380 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 3: Tim Waltz is necessarily going to do anything for them 381 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: in those states. I's a He's kind of a milk 382 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: toast guy. He's nothing particularly inspiring or impressive. You know 383 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 3: the guy was you know, he was an athletic coach. Though, 384 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: I will say this is one of those moments where 385 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: even when you have coached and had to deal with 386 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: the reality of men or women struggling on the field 387 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 3: of sports, you can still be a communist. I hate 388 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 3: to say it, but it's true. This guy is a teacher, 389 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: is a former member of the He was a non 390 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: commissioned officer in the army. He never saw combat, but 391 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: he served his country. And you know he's a socialist. 392 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 4: I mean, straight up this guy. 393 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: People will say, oh, he's technically not a socialist because 394 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: of X, Y or Z. Well that's only because that's 395 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 3: as far as he can take it, right. I mean, 396 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 3: if this guy could tax the rich at eighty percent 397 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: of income, and if he could double the size of 398 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 3: well you do all this stuff. 399 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: He just listened to him. The guy's a comedy. 400 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: To me, It directly connects Kamala And this is maybe 401 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: the most devastating part of this and why I didn't 402 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: even go. 403 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 5: Back and listen to yesterday. 404 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: I didn't even want to debut the attacks on Waltz 405 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: because I was too afraid that if the attacks started 406 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: on Waltz, they would somebody in the Democrat Party would 407 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: be smart enough to say, wait a minute, this is 408 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: going to tie us directly to Minneapolis, to the George 409 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: Floyd protest, to Kamala Harris doing the bailout fund to 410 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: defund the police, to mostly peaceful protesters. I don't think 411 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: that plays very well at all in the Big ten, 412 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: and that is how most people are going to know 413 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: Tim Waltz. 414 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: The only way that you can get Waltz and Kamala 415 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 3: Harris as a ticket to win is if you convince 416 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: people enough people that both of them are not what 417 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: they so manifestly are, which is far left progressives. They 418 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 3: are far progressives, full on, full stop. There is no 419 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: ifans or buds. These are two of the most liberal 420 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: people you could put on a presidential ticket for the Democrats. 421 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 3: This is clay. This is not far from like a 422 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 3: Bernie AOC ticket or something. I mean, it's really not. 423 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: If you look at their policies and what they've done over. 424 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 4: Time, this. 425 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 3: Will be the most far left ticket the Democrats have 426 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: run in a very long time. 427 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 5: I'm stunned. 428 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm kind of ecstatic because I think it clarifies the 429 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: choice in many ways. I think if you picked Josh Shapiro, 430 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: you say Kamala is a moderate compared to the left 431 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: in her party. She stood up to them, she was 432 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: unwilling to let them dictate who her VP should be, 433 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: and she picked the candidate that is in the most 434 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: important state, in the most powerful seat. 435 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 4: How are we wrong? 436 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 5: You know what I mean? 437 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 4: What could both of us? 438 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 3: Because when you and I both see it the same way, 439 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: I always like to play out in my head, what 440 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 3: is it that we are assuming or we aren't seeing? 441 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 4: I asked that in all honesty. 442 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 3: Like, what what is the It has to be just 443 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: on a personality will appeal enough to the the sort 444 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: of big ten voter as you put it, is that 445 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: is that the thing we might be missing? 446 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 4: What are we missing? 447 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: I think I don't think we're missing it. I think 448 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: the polling on having a Jewish vice president must have 449 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: been devastating in Michigan. That's the only like they had 450 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: to be doing this behind the scenes, and this had 451 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: to be a If you put a Jewish vice president 452 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: who has been very outspoken in his support of Israel 453 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: on this ticket, Michigan is going to collapse. You have 454 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: to pick somebody who doesn't have a strong read on 455 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: either of those. That's to me, Waltz, because you're still 456 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: doing Midwest. But that that's the I mean again, I 457 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: think to your barn Ockham's razor, it has to be 458 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: the most logical. 459 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 4: It is so ugly, isn't it. 460 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 3: Yes, you just put it that way, Yes, I think 461 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: that's it ugly, caving to the vile, anti semi girts 462 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: of the Democrat Party because you, Joshawapiro, it was kind 463 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: of what's up because you can't win otherwise. 464 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 5: That's that's like, that's what it shows. 465 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: Josh Shapiro. 466 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 6: Was was doing the whole Uh you know, well, I 467 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 6: believe that about Judaism or about Israel back then, but 468 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 6: you know, he was trying to moderate his Judaism a 469 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 6: little bit. 470 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: You saw the meme. 471 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: He crawled all over himself to try to be like, hey, 472 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, bar Mitz, but in myself, I'm joking. 473 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: He's like I was thirteen, I had a bar Mitz, 474 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: but I didn't know any better. Uh. 475 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 4: You know, these are the jokes that were flying around. 476 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 3: But he went through all that, and and I think 477 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 3: that even in this very short uh this short stint here, 478 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: you gotta think Shapiro running his own campaign for president. Now, 479 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: good luck with that one, buddy, because the Democrat Party 480 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: has shown an ugliness that I don't think he can 481 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 3: get around. I don't think in the next election cycle. 482 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: Let's just say Trump wins this one. It's it's this 483 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: is gonna be I mean, I can't. I mean, Whitmer 484 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 3: is going to be the formidable female up next if Gretch. 485 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 3: If Kamala loses, Whitmer is the next on deck break, 486 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: the ultimate glass ceiling candidate. 487 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 4: Which is why she clearly was never going to be 488 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 4: Kamala's VP. 489 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: But Shapiro, I don't even think you're gonna hear him 490 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: being talked about as a top contender again. Assuming Trump wins, 491 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: which I don't assume but I do strongly believe he will. 492 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 3: That's where we're heading. 493 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Imagine the reaction in the media if Trump had a 494 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: no brain, no brainer, like, hey, you have to take 495 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: this guy as a VP finalist, and then he did 496 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: it because of the anti Semitic wing of the Republican Party. 497 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it would be that Charlottesville happens and they 498 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: talk about it for years after. This is a hey, 499 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: look at your party, analyze it moment for anybody to moderate. 500 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: Imagine the conversation if there was a imagine there was 501 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: a popular black Republican governor of Michigan. 502 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I wish there was. 503 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: By the way, I know I say it out loud, 504 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh God, what could have been. You know, 505 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: this would be as imagine, it's a popular Republican black 506 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: governor of Michigan and Trump's looking for his VP, and 507 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: everyone's talking about how this guy will deliver Michigan for Trump. 508 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: No question, it's going to be a huge advantage. Takes 509 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: Michigan off the board, and then all the whispers are, yeah, 510 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: but there are a bunch of racists in some parts 511 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: of the GOP base that so, and then Trump backed 512 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: off of it. 513 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: It would be a huge It would be a story. 514 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 3: The media wouldn't just talk about it in this election cycle, Clay, 515 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: We'd be hearing about it for the next twenty years. Now, 516 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: that is what happened, except with a Jewish Democrat in. 517 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 4: The Democrat Party. That is exactly a parallel. 518 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: I would just say this, did you see the New 519 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: York Times has a new poll out It shows Trump 520 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: winning Jewish voters in New York State? Did you see 521 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: that come out? 522 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 4: Me? 523 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: But look forty nine it's close. But I would just say, 524 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: and we talked about this a little bit earlier, but 525 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: if you're Jewish, if you are Jewish and you are 526 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: listening to us right now, or you're Jewish and you 527 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: have Jewish family. Given what's going on in Israel, we 528 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: all know, and how I would argue that the Biden 529 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: team has not been as supportive of Israel as they. 530 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 5: Could or should have been. 531 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: How do you not reconsider your vote when the Democrat 532 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: Party's anti Semites are such an ascendancy that they can 533 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: speak out loud. 534 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 5: It's not like they whisper it. They're saying it out. 535 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 5: You can't pick a Jewish guy. 536 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: This is very it's very frustrating because you know, it 537 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: should be obvious. A lot of them have been convinced 538 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: that actually Trump is the real anti semit. 539 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 4: A lot of liberal Jews, even though Trump's. 540 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: Daughter converted to Judaism, his son in law, who is 541 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: his closest advisor in his first term, is a devout Jew, 542 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: and Trump's beloved three of his beloved grandchildren are Jewish. 543 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 4: They think he's an anti Semi. 544 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: This is maybe this is the time your media consider 545 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: your preconceptions or misconceptions. 546 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying. 547 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: Without that, without that dynamic, I would believe it more more. 548 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: You know, central left Jews would vote, would vote for 549 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: Trump this time around, but the media has tried so hard. 550 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 3: You know, that's Clay. 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They've had a name change like Prince. 617 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: The artist formerly known as the Dog is now Teddy, 618 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 3: which is cute because it looks like a little Teddy Bear. 619 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 3: You want to see Teddy videos, You got to be 620 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 3: a Clay and Buck vip go to Clayanbuck dot com. Clay, 621 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 3: we're getting a lot of emails yesterday because people are 622 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 3: used to you being Santa Claus bringing happiness to Yeah, 623 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 3: the children across the land. We're gonna win. Things are 624 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 3: gonna be amazing. Here's that rocking horse that you wanted, 625 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, and doesn't give out. I'm here to give 626 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 3: out the lumps of coal. I'm the other one. I'm 627 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: like the crampus or whatever. 628 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 5: You know. 629 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 3: That's the scary German parade of the scary looking Do 630 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 3: you ever see that? 631 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 4: Yeah? 632 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: Okay, yes, we switch roles though right now because Clay 633 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, I'm like, look, I see the Trump train. 634 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 4: It's not gonna be easy. I'm not. 635 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 3: But we got a lot of VIP emails. Here we go, Francine, 636 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Tom up. First here, Trump needs to focus 637 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 3: on the issues. There's zero benefit to calling Kamala low iq. 638 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 3: We need to draw in suburban women. Nothing he is 639 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: doing now will attract them agree with Clay, economy, border crime, 640 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 3: and wars everywhere, So. 641 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 4: He agrees with you, Clay. 642 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 3: We got a lot of emaios saying that, you know, 643 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 3: we shouldn't be sour about things, but this guy's saying, economy, 644 00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 3: border crime. 645 00:35:59,400 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 4: What do you say? 646 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 5: That's the story. 647 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I do think that I'm infinitely more optimistic today with 648 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: the selection of Waltz than I was yesterday. I really thought, 649 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: you go back and listen to listen to the show 650 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: or read the transcripts. I really thought she was going 651 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: to go Josh Shapiro. I thought she was going to 652 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: go Josh Shapiro from the moment they elevated her. He 653 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: was the no nonsense, completely logical solution. And there is 654 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: an evil component of the Democrat Party now that is 655 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: acendant and willing to speak aloud that they do not 656 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,959 Speaker 1: believe that Jews should be able to live on Earth 657 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: or even defend themselves in Israel. And that's the group 658 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris is placating here, and I think Americans 659 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: are going. 660 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 5: To see that. 661 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,959 Speaker 4: Thanks everybody, We'll talk to you tomorrow, all right, Thanks 662 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 4: so much.