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Speaker 2: So it's like, you gotta be a super dog. You

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Speaker 3: You gotta be incredible, fail, you gotta be incredible.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to another episode of Point Game. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is gonna be a jam packed episode because we're

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Speaker 4: obviously me talking March madness. We're at the final four.

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Speaker 4: We had some crazy stuff happened. I want to know

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Speaker 4: what I thinks of that. Will also be talking some NBA,

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Speaker 4: but most importantly, we're joined by one of it's close friends,

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Speaker 4: one of the best guards in the NBA right now,

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Speaker 4: one time All NBA All Star NBA champion Fred Van.

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Speaker 5: Vliet, is joining us later on the show.

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Speaker 4: I t I've been excited to talk to you ever

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Speaker 4: since I saw what happened last night.

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Speaker 5: Yukon Duke I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we can need to recap what happened,

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Speaker 4: but uh, one of the most legendary buzzer beaters.

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Speaker 5: It's it's one that comes with Uh. I guess you

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I don't know if I'd ever say

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Speaker 4: felt for the boozer Uh Boozer brothers.

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Speaker 6: What do you?

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Speaker 5: What were you What was your reaction in the moment

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Speaker 6: H that heard.

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Speaker 3: Man, I don't feel for Duke at all, Like, I

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Speaker 3: don't know I was gonna say I could give a

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Speaker 6: I really care about the players though.

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Speaker 3: And that that was just one of those situations where

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Speaker 3: March Madden is that those type of things happen. But

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Speaker 3: it's like, as I get older now and I'm like

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Speaker 3: out out outside of those situations, I'll be feeling for

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Speaker 3: he was having such a great, great, not only great season,

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Speaker 3: to go to the Final four, and then like coaches

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Speaker 6: And it was just it was an.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunate situation because I was a little frustrated, like nobody

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Speaker 3: it seemed like nobody wanted to take the free throw

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Speaker 3: Are still like they did, but they're not even thinking

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Speaker 3: That that hurt my heart. I was really watching it.

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Speaker 3: And then to see the interviews after in the emotion

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, we can talk about for hours what

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Speaker 4: let's talk about it, like he could have dribbled it out.

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Speaker 4: They're playing you know, hot potato with it. You know,

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Speaker 4: the player could have just got sent to the line,

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Speaker 4: any of those duke players. But ultimately the ball got

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Speaker 3: Nah, all of that, the worst are the worst happened.

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Speaker 3: Those are the things you go through in practice and

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Speaker 6: Because it got me out of my seat.

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Speaker 3: I was in the house screaming, I don't even like,

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Speaker 6: You gotta put a hand up, fam. So all of those.

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Speaker 3: so like and then all in all, you know, on

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Speaker 3: this show, we always show love. We ain't we ain't

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Speaker 3: like they repealing the Cameron Bruiser was playing an amazing game.

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Speaker 3: They should have won. Going to the Final Four and

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Speaker 3: then that happened. But that's, like you said, that's sports

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Speaker 4: I did want to talk about Dan Hurley's reaction. If

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Speaker 4: We all know Dan is passionate to say to say

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Speaker 5: You know? How how is that excused?

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Speaker 6: That got to be his homie?

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Speaker 3: I got I got it because if I'm John Shire,

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Speaker 6: Like obviously we don't want to go into that.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't nothing crazy, but I think that's the definition

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Speaker 6: Bro.

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Speaker 7: If you see Hurley mamins, if you see his emotions

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Speaker 3: So if I'm that's who I am when I'm when

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Speaker 6: Or that freaking eighth grade AAU game.

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Speaker 3: Bro, I'm looking just like he is because I'm just

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Speaker 3: I love it. But that was that incident was questionable, Bro,

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Speaker 3: And it's crazy because nobody's really speaking about it, like

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Speaker 4: that's what it is. His reputation is a little crazier,

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Speaker 6: He's Dan Hurley exactly.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, we got the Final four coming up.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna keep talking about that as these teams continue

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Speaker 5: Fred van Vliet.

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Speaker 4: All right, we're super excited over here at point game,

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Speaker 4: welcoming NBA All Star NBA champ.

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Speaker 5: Fred van Vliet to the show. Fred.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, man, I'm doing great, man, I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to be all. I appreciate you all, appreciate you family.

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Speaker 4: Now it's been talking about how you guys have known

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Speaker 1: Man, I think I'm at it. At CP three camp.

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Speaker 1: I was still in college at the time. Obviously I

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Speaker 1: Like I reached out to him after like yo, man,

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Speaker 2: But definitely was very very helpful for.

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Speaker 1: Me trying to figure it out, because you only know

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Speaker 2: At that time, I ain't know nothing, so it.

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Speaker 3: I think, I think the super the dope thing about

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Speaker 6: Everybody like this is this is the top dog.

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Speaker 3: So it's like we related just because these are the

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Speaker 4: Just to even go back to that underdog and small guard,

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Speaker 5: And it's just one.

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Speaker 2: It was just like, was I gonna get my opportunity?

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Speaker 6: I got one for you, Fred.

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Speaker 1: I always break it down into two parts because I

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Speaker 1: Like my first challenge was can you guard? You know

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Speaker 2: You gotta be able to shoot it. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: And you got to be able to be disruptive on defense,

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Speaker 1: to stay on the court. So I just me personally,

439
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm built a little bit bigger, so like I can

440
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 1: hold hold up a little bit on defense.

441
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 2: But like any any kid that I'm talking to that's

442
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: coming in.

443
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: It's like you just gotta be a dog bro, Like

444
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 1: it ain't really no shortcut, Like it's no, no, it's

445
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 1: no secret to this ship. Like you gotta be a

446
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: dog bro because you you're like already at a disadvantage

447
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 1: walking in the door and how they trying to take

448
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: the point guards out completely. So it's like, no, you

449
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 1: got to be a super You got to be a

450
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: super dog, you know what I'm saying. Because they're they're

451
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: rather just give it to give it to a tall

452
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: guy that can dribble a little bit, you know what

453
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: I'm saying That and even really don't even know nothing

454
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 1: about being a guard for real, but he's tall enough

455
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: and can dribble, and that's like the new point guard.

456
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 6: Now for sure.

457
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: Man.

458
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 6: That's good insight, bro.

459
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 3: That's because I always be trying to game, especially parents

460
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: now that I talk to parents a little more now,

461
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 3: because like you said, they don't understand it, they don't

462
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 3: understand how hard the journey's gonna be. Yeah, it's not.

463
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's almost impossible. But like you got

464
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 3: guys to critique that and look at that and build

465
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: off that. But it's like, if you don't do the

466
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 3: needs of being a small guard, and that's picking up

467
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: being disruptive and being able to shoot the three like

468
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 3: on a consistent basis, you you don't really got a chance.

469
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: And and and it's gonna take a lot of hard work.

470
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: It's gonna take a lot of nights where you know

471
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 3: you're discouraged. Like you said early on, like I always

472
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 3: tell people as well, like I didn't have this ultimate

473
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 3: poise at all times, Like I didn't. I didn't I

474
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 3: didn't feel this comfortable at all times. It took every

475
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: step of the journey to be able to get to

476
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: this spot where I'm walking indoors and and and making

477
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: sure it's known that I am who I am. So

478
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: it's it's levels to it, man, but it's it's always

479
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: good to hear from another, you know, undersized guard that's

480
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 3: doing it, that's playing ten plus years in the league

481
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: this win championships and being All Stars, because the people

482
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 3: don't understand how difficult that that thing really is on

483
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: a day to day basis. And that's dope to get

484
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: the insight from somebody who's in there and who's one

485
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: of the best best to ever do it as being

486
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: an undersized guard.

487
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Speaker 6: So I appreciate I appreciate.

488
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: That study, study, study.

489
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Speaker 1: Any any guys listen, because I know they still they

490
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: still definitely listening to you and Mario Journey. But like

491
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: watch that film, bro, watch that film and getting that

492
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: lab and you got to go from there, you.

493
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. Like I could tell you how

494
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: many I just watched film.

495
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Like even now, it's easy you cause just YouTube, you

496
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And you've got to have like

497
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: a synergi or you can just watch YouTube, like really

498
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: study how guys getting their game off and apply it.

499
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, where you see fit, But

500
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys we won some magic recipes.

501
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: Shortcut or some shit. You know what I'm saying, It

502
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: like it don't exist, bro.

503
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 6: It don't it? Don't you don't uh?

504
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 4: Looking ahead here, Fred, because I'll speak for all NBA fans.

505
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 5: I'm devastated.

506
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: We haven't gotten to see you and Katie on the

507
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 4: court together yet and what that's going to look like obviously,

508
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: you know, but like.

509
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 5: Look at this Rocket team.

510
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 4: You guys are only a few games at a third

511
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: place without you, So like, what are some things that

512
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 4: you're looking at that you're excited about that you can

513
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 4: make an impact when you get back on that court

514
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 4: probably next season, right, Like, what what's something that you've

515
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 4: been excited about?

516
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: Man?

517
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: Just good just putting guys in their spots, Like and

518
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: that's something that I can do with my eyes closed,

519
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: just like making the game easier, you know what I mean,

520
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: getting the guys the ball, putting them in a position

521
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: to be successful. Because it's like without me and without

522
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: Steven this year, everybody just kind of out of position

523
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, even if it's just like one slot,

524
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It's like KD working way

525
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: too hard to get to his spot.

526
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Big.

527
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: Fella got so many more responsibilities that I would normally

528
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: be having. You know what I mean, I'm in we're

529
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: taking him from what he's specialized in, asking him to

530
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: be a point guard this year. You know what I'm saying,

531
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: Me being out there with Reeed Shepherd, Like, it's just

532
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: it's a lot that I would just.

533
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: Alleviate or help, you know.

534
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: So I'm more so looking at it from that standpoint,

535
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: but I'm proud of the guys, and it's actually a

536
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: blessing in disguise because so many of the young guys

537
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: is getting.

538
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: Opportunity that, you know, I mean, way more opportunity.

539
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: And so I always tell him all the time, like shit,

540
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: I wish and I would never wish for nobody to

541
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: be hurt, but as a first, second, third year guy,

542
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: that I would just be throwing into the mix, like

543
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: all right, you get you getting thirty thirty five minutes

544
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: a night now, ten fifteen twenty shots, you know what

545
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean.

546
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: So I'm telling them.

547
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Like yo, y'all better take advantage of this, like this

548
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: is an incredible opportunity. And I think that they've done

549
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: a good job. So we got to make sure we

550
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: keep you know, the fabric of like what keeps our

551
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: team and our culture together, and then once we put

552
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: all the pieces back together, I think we got a

553
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: real shot.

554
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: So I got I got one question to piggyback off

555
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: that with you playing with Kawhi, obviously winning the championship

556
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: and then being around K every day and seeing you know,

557
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: his work ethic, do those two guys have similarities and

558
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: how great they are in terms of being a teammate,

559
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: being offensive threads, being who they are. Do they got

560
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: any type of similarities in that, Like I haven't been

561
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 3: around the two at the same time, or I play

562
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: with K for a little bit, But are there similarities?

563
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: Are they similar in some aspects? Are they different? I

564
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: would love to hear the break down coming from somebody

565
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: who's around those guys every day.

566
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean I haven't been out there, but

567
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: like just having a front row seat, I feel like

568
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: they're very different people. But like the greatness is taken

569
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: for granted, Like we just played we just played Pelicans

570
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: or somebody, and it's like K just.

571
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: Going through the game.

572
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: He's doing this thing, you know what I'm saying, he

573
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: might get a freak to like and then you look

574
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: up and it's like broke, he'd like twenty four, And

575
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, when did this happen?

576
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I know

577
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: how hard it is for.

578
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: Me to get twenty four, Like I'm working hard to

579
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: get twenty four, you know what I'm saying. Like he

580
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: don't miss, bro, Like he doesn't miss, Like you're surprised

581
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: when he missed, Like you know what I'm saying. So

582
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: the greatness of that, and Kawhi used to be like that,

583
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: because Kawhi was a little more rigid and like methodical

584
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: to the approach. But like even though he'll have all,

585
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: he'll be be like three for nine or somethmer three

586
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: for eight, you know, till playing team defense, passing the ball,

587
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: and then the fourth quarter come and he'll just make

588
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: like six pull up jumpers going right in a row,

589
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: and you look up, he got like twenty eight, and

590
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, Like it's.

591
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: Just it's levels.

592
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: Like it's just levels, bro, And I'm just grateful to

593
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: be able to see it. And obviously I wish I

594
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: was out there with k But like the level of

595
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: scoring and the impact and the attention that they take

596
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: up on the court, that space that they take up,

597
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: the kids that's checking into the game, that get the

598
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: guard them. It's like like you know, like this like

599
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: this date moment, you know what I'm saying. So it's

600
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: like they either star struck or like they filing them

601
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: all crazy because they just overly excited. So the personality

602
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: and the people are very different, but like the impact

603
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: and the greatness is very very similar on a daily

604
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: basis because it's just like it's.

605
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: So good that you just get used to it, like

606
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 2: you just get them to it.

607
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: Like you look up, you know what I'm saying, it's

608
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven on like fifty forty ninety, like bro,

609
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: And that's just sound crazy. It just sound regular when

610
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about KD. But that's just not regular, bro,

611
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: like at all.

612
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 6: And I think the world takes it for granted too.

613
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, take for granted.

614
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 3: And it's tough because, like you said, you'll look up

615
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: and he's twelve for seventeen. You're like, this plays on jumpers.

616
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: How he plays is really how he trains. He's not missing.

617
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: It don't matter who's guarding him. So I always wondered that,

618
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: especially about Kawhi as well, like just being a fan

619
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 3: of the game outside of being a competitor against him

620
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: and him being one of our peers. But like I

621
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: always wonder what their similarities was when it comes to that,

622
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: because greatness is always similar. Like it could be different

623
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: in terms of, like you said, personality, how they go

624
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: about it, but the end goal is kind of always

625
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: the same in terms of their work ethic, their routine

626
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: each and every day, how they are to their teammates,

627
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: and like, like you said, like the world takes those

628
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: type of things for granted.

629
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 6: So I always, especially on this show, we always.

630
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: Try to try to critique those things but also give

631
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: give that love and respect that these guys earn because

632
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: that's what it's really about.

633
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's like the that's the that's the

634
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: crazy part about the game too, because you on you

635
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: greatered them inside.

636
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: Of the game that they playing.

637
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: So like if we lose or if we don't win

638
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: a championship, then it's like that's an.

639
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: Angle to this credit them to discredit them.

640
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: But if you just peel back the basketball, you're just

641
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: using your eyes.

642
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, this is I mean my first week, I'm.

643
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: Like, Yo, how is this guy not the greatest ever

644
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: to play basketball?

645
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 6: Like?

646
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: For real, this is what my mind.

647
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 8: And then I'm like, all right, hold on, hold on,

648
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 8: hold on, I like, cod you know what I'm saying,

649
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 8: Mike Brian like, but it made me think, I'm like, yo, bro, like,

650
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 8: I don't know, this got to be the best shit

651
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 8: I've ever seen.

652
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: But I felt that same way when I watch Kawhi too.

653
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: It's like that, let you know the level that they at,

654
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Like that's the level, that's the room they're in.

655
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 6: That's funny, man, that's real though.

656
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: That's that's a good way to think about it, because

657
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: anytime you see those greats, it questions you like, how

658
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: is it that guy the greatest?

659
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: Man?

660
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like I could see no better? But

661
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: I feel you on that fail.

662
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 5: Fred, I got one more here.

663
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: Obviously, You've made a crazy run in the you know,

664
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: March madness a while back with Chita State undefeated. So

665
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: I didn't want to ask you because it just happened

666
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: last night and it's been my favorite thing to talk about.

667
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: I think we all saw it, you know, the buzzer

668
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: beating from Brayln Mullens Yukon and I think what we're

669
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: talking about more incredible shot, but honestly, the Boozer twins

670
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 4: and like, you know, just I think it would help

671
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: seeing future Hoopers out there, even Cayden if he saw this, Like,

672
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: how do you deal with something like that so heartbreaking?

673
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 5: After all the hard work that you can't forget?

674
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: How do you deal with a moment like that in basketball,

675
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: which the whole world just witnessed.

676
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: Man, it's gonna be a long summer. Man, It's gonna

677
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: be a long summer.

678
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: Dog, Like you know what I'm saying, Just understand, you

679
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: got more basketball to play, and like whatever moment that

680
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: meant to you, like your best, your best is on

681
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: the other side of that, you know. So it's like

682
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I feel for him. I'm more so focused on, you know,

683
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: the guy that made this shot, Like because and you

684
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: know what, you have to give yourself grace too, Like.

685
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, what a what a just incredible.

686
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Play that was made on the other end, because yeah,

687
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he it wasn't like he dribbled off

688
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: his foot or like he did some careless ship like

689
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: he was trying to get rid of it, and the

690
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: guy just made a crazy play and the kid made

691
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: a forty foot or switch at the buzzard brother, Like

692
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: that's that's marsh madness. Bro, Like it's nothing like it,

693
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: and it's I've been through it. I've been through the

694
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: highs and the lows. But you know, you just gotta

695
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: pick yourself back up. And I don't know, I haven't

696
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: watched that much. I don't know if he's gonna come

697
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: back or whatever. I know that the other the other

698
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: brother was supposed to be a lottery pick. But yes,

699
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: you just you know, give you something I like to

700
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: like either take screenshots or snapshots of like all right,

701
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Everybody piling on me right now.

702
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: They killing him because he threw the game away. So

703
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just use that as my whole summer. I'm

704
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna just use that my whole summer. That's gonna be

705
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: in my mind. I can't wait to get back out there.

706
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: Every he just got to bounce back.

707
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: That's the toughest part. Like at the end of the day,

708
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: he was eighteen nineteen. Social media ERAa is crazy, so

709
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: like you might have to deactivate that for a little bit.

710
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: It's your mind right, get around people who really truly

711
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 3: care about you, because these are one of their moments

712
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: where like it hurts. It hurts, but like you said,

713
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: like the best basketball is ahead of you.

714
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 6: You use this as motivation.

715
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: This should be something like for me, if that happened

716
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: to me, I might have the picture up in my

717
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: room the whole summer of something that can just motivate

718
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: me and like change the script around because it does hurt.

719
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: And then everywhere you go you feel like they talking

720
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: about the turnover and all those things. But like the

721
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: thing about it we said before we got on that

722
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: that's the game of basketball for you, Like that's obviously

723
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: the worst case scenario, but down the line of the

724
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: history of basketball, that's happened so much, Bro, That's happened

725
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: so much, so you got to just use that as

726
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: motivation and and find ways to move forward, even though

727
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: you know it's a tough moment.

728
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: Man, put that phone down and all the thing.

729
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing about the March madness is in

730
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: the NBA you will probably have another game like to

731
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: watch it away.

732
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that there too. Tomorrow This

733
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: kid he got to wait till next year.

734
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: But if you turn that phone off and you wait

735
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: a week, it's gonna be somebody else turn next week.

736
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: That's God. They're gonna They're gonna suck up.

737
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: In the final four and then it's gonna be on

738
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: them and we can move on. So I would love

739
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: to see him bounce back and just make a career

740
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: out of it, you know what I'm saying, Make a

741
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: nice career for itself and not let that moment be

742
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: the end off be all.

743
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: Nobody gonna remember that shit in tenure.

744
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: Well, Fred, we were overtime here.

745
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: We appreciate you just well, you know, parting words here,

746
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: what you got in store. Obviously next season we'll see

747
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: back on core. But how you spend your summer?

748
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: Man, I'm working, I'm getting back to it.

749
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the first year that my summer's kind

750
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: of flipped, right, So as soon as the season's over,

751
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be looking for five and be looking for

752
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: some runs like I haven't. I haven't had much on

753
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: court time. So my friend and my summer will be

754
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: a little bit heavier this year. But you know, be

755
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: on the lookout. We're doing the pod now. It's been cool.

756
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: I've been watching y'all stuff, so I'm am newing that space.

757
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Just keep myself busy and oh yeah, you know, looking

758
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: forward to me getting back out there.

759
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: You know, the best version that you've seen yet. It's

760
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: on the way.

761
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 6: As though.

762
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: You know, you can always come to Seattle for a

763
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: few days. We could get in the gym. I need

764
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: to like all the times. Just yeah, I know you

765
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: haven't been to Seattle. The weather's nice in the summertime,

766
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: so just need to get it. Needs like two or

767
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: three days, get in the gym, you know, vibe out

768
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: a little bit. Get you right back to Houston. Baby,

769
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: I need to get out there, brother, come on, say that.

770
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: Always appreciate you, Faul Sure check out on Guarded every

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Speaker 3: your buddy point game.

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Speaker 5: Fans check out on Guard for everything.

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Speaker 6: Fred subscribe, tap in. You know what it is, Bro.

774
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 6: Appreciate you stand you know.

775
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: Sure appreciate it.

776
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: Thank you.

777
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 5: March Madness is coming to a close this weekend.

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00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: Yukon is plus one twenty two to beat Illinois in

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Speaker 4: eight to beat Michigan. That means that Yukon and Arizona

781
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 4: are slight underdogs at this moment, which is insane. So

782
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Speaker 4: if you had to put your money on one of

783
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: these squads pulling off the upset, it are you taking Arizona?

784
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 5: Are you taking Yukon.

785
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: Pulling off an upset? I'm gonna tag Yukon. Are you

786
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: talking about in the final four?

787
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 6: Right?

788
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 5: Yep?

789
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna tag Yukon. I don't think the Michigan Arizona.

790
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: They're the two best teams in the country to me,

791
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: so it's not really an upset. Whoever wins that, so

792
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: that Yukon, I'm gonna go with Yukon. I gotta give

793
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: love to some Huskies since my U Dove Huskies, ain't you.

794
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 6: Ain't in the tournament, so it's always Huskies.

795
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna happy and they and they got

796
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,279
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797
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Speaker 3: go with them, Yukon Huskies.

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Speaker 4: back here on point game that was dope getting to

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Speaker 4: chop it up with you and Fred.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's crazy. I didn't know it went way

814
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 5: back like that.

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00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: That's you know, it's like twenty twelve. I think it

816
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, twelve, twenty thirteen. So I've been I've

817
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: been along of the journey with him. Man. That's it's

818
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: crazy because some people that watch my oldest son play.

819
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: I should have said this when we were chopping it

820
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: up with him, fam, but they compare my oldest son

821
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: to him really in terms of his game and how

822
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: smooth hee is, how you know he goes at his

823
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: own pace, really good strong defender who can hit the

824
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: open three. I tried not to hype my son like that,

825
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: but there's been a few little basketball heads around my

826
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: way just mention that. So I should have said that.

827
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: So shout out to you know, Fred, shout out to

828
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: my son James, you know, following the footsteps of a legend.

829
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: But that's like, you know, we've talked about it before.

830
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: That is is the cycle of things, like way back

831
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: when you were giving him advice, you know, that free

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00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: knowledge and he's inspiring your son's like it all just

833
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: comes around and it's it's it really is anyone in

834
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: any profession. It's like, you know, keep that knowledge, keep

835
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: spreading that knowledge and that information because you never know

836
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: how to come back to you Like Fred, you know,

837
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: he just he quickly came on the show. To people

838
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: outside the business, no like that's a process, but he

839
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, whatever, I'm coming on.

840
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: So those does I the love that they got for us,

841
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: fam that starts with you, bruh.

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00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 5: Well, so we're gonna continue that as we do on

843
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 5: this show.

844
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 4: A little segment called No Days Off where we spread

845
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 4: the love to some players who might not be getting

846
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: the shine we think that they deserve.

847
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: So I to you who we got for No Day's

848
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 5: Office episode.

849
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 6: No Days Off.

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Speaker 3: You know we're gonna go with our guy on the

851
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: Chicago Bulls, Mattas boozealous YEP, one of my favorite young

852
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: up and coming stars in the league. Shout out to

853
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: Rebok two just because you know I was I was

854
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: a Rebock family member, started my career out and he's

855
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: on rebog and I And also I got to chop

856
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: it up with him after he got drafted a couple

857
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: of summers ago, and he was a big fan of mine.

858
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm gonna give the love back, show

859
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: my support back every week then I'm my NBA TV

860
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: or the podcast. We're we're shouting him out because he's

861
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: dunking on somebody weekly. He's a human highlight film. So

862
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 3: are No Days Off? Goes out to Matas bozellis, keep

863
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: doing your thing in the season strong. You never know

864
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: I got, you know, I got I T Training Skills

865
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: Academy out in Seattle, already already tried to get Fred.

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00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 6: You might as well come out. You know summertime.

867
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: All we need is to to three days I get,

868
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: I get all the skills, right, bro, come and tap

869
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: in because the Sonics is coming back, so you got

870
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: you might as well visit before you come out there

871
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: in a couple of years.

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00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: Man, he uh yeah, I mean Rebark is looking I

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Speaker 4: might buy stocking Rebok. Man, they got a cuff in

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Speaker 4: the last week. They have matas on there. They're they're

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Speaker 4: making big moves. They're making big moves.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to all the shoe companies, bro, But Rebok

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Speaker 3: is under the radar.

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Speaker 4: Yes sir, all right, I t another great episode. We're

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Speaker 4: still in the heat of basketball right now. Final four

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Speaker 4: coming up, playoffs ahead. Any parting words you want to

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Speaker 4: give to the fans checking out Point Game right now.

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Speaker 6: It's the best time of basketball.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking the best type of hoop, So

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Speaker 3: tap in, subscribe, give us some comments, whatever you want

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Speaker 3: to chop it up about. This is the best time

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Speaker 3: to be a basketball fan, So we got to give

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Speaker 3: you what you want, yes.

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Speaker 5: Sir, all right, appreciate you all. We'll see you next

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Speaker 5: time on Point Game.