1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: It was about thirty of us on the bus, one 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: of those old school correctional facility school buses, and they 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: handcuffed your hands in front and your feet shackled, and 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: then they had a chain going from your hands to. 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: Your feet so you couldn't move. I was feeling helpless, 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: couldn't even pick. 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: My nose if I wanted to. And my mind was 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: in a thousand different directions for ten and. 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: A half hours. And I can remember. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Staring out of that bus window and just looking at 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: trees and cars and looking at people, and looking at 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: intersections and stores and banks and gas stations, anything you 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: could possibly think of. And my vision and my goal 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: was to get to see those things as quickly as 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: I can. Again, I just want to get back on 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: that other side of this bus. 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: From iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures. This is Shock incarceration. I'm 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 3: Jeff Keating. Mark's thoughts consumed him through the silent ten 19 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: hour bus ride from the Ulster County Correctional Facility to 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: Lakeview's Shot incarceration program. During the multiple stops along the 21 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 3: way they picked up over twenty additional prisoners, Mark wondered, 22 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: how the hell did I get myself into this and 23 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: his biggest fear. 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: Am I going to complete this? That was my biggest 25 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: fear and my biggest concern. Am I going to be 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: able to do this? 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: You know? Once I get there? 28 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Am I going to be able to actually do this? 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: And to think about the same thought for like ten hours? 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: You know? 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: I think that was probably our first way to mind 32 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: fuck you if you really think about it, that was 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: probably like the beginning test. 34 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short term, 35 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: programs are designed for young, first time, non violent offenders 37 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: and aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing 38 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: was about to arrive at Lakeview, a sanctioned facility that 40 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: was part of the New York prison system. 41 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: You pull into this place and you could see the 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: lights on the barbed wire. 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: It was like right out of a movie. 44 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: Your throat it was at my feet because it was like, 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: all right, here we are, this is it. 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: There's no turning back. 47 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: And then they had us pull into one big gate 48 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: where the bus went in and then a big gate 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: closed behind the bus. And it was about ten o'clock 50 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: at night now, so we were tired, and the guards 51 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: started saying, you guys have no idea what you're in for. 52 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you could absolutely hear a pin drop. 53 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: Another inmate that went through the shock incarceration program at 54 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: Lakeview was Ed Revere. 55 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 5: Then when we got to Lakeview, one drill instructor said, 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 5: all right, everyone's going to get off the bus. You're 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 5: going to walk through this pull barn and make a left. 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 5: He walks off the bus and he lights up a cigarette, 59 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 5: and then out of nowhere. 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: This one drill instructor came on the bus and he 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: was a big, massive correctional officer, you know, with that 62 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: hard brim and everything like you would see in a movie, 63 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: and a whistle and he blew it as by the 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: loudest swhistle I ever heard of my life. 65 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 6: Your meggot's get off the fucking bus. 66 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 7: The very first people in our front seat, they random 67 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 7: and they threw them off the bus, tumbling down these 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 7: stairs because they're shackled, and I'm going. 69 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: What the hell? 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 7: You finally get off the bus and. 71 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 6: They're right next to you, like, move your ass motherfucker, 72 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 6: you piece of shit, and you're pushing on in the 73 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 6: back of your I'll believe because you're shackled with this 74 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 6: other guy and you're just like, what the hell just happened? 75 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: And then he kind of really went into us. He said, 76 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: you're in here because your piece is of shit. You 77 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: belong to us. Now you are a number, a New 78 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: York State number, and you belong to us, and we 79 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: own you, and we are going. 80 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 2: To treat you the way you need to be treated. 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: He said, from now on, the. 82 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: First word out of your mouth is going to be sir. 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: The last word out of your mouth is going to 84 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: be sir. Does everybody understand that? And nobody said anything. 85 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: We just didn't because we didn't know if we should 86 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: say it then or say it now again. 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: You could hear a pin drop and he said, listen 88 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: to me, you motherfuckers. The first word out of your 89 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: mouth is going to be sir. The last word out of. 90 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Your mouth is going to be sir. Do I make 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: myself clear? And we were all like, sir, yes, sir. 92 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Bullshit, motherfucker, bullshit. 93 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: You will sound off, you will be loud, you will scream. 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: Do I make myself clear, and it was sir yes, 95 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: sir louder, Sir yes, sir louder. Sorry, yet we must 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: have done it eight nine times. I mean he had 97 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 2: us screaming it and I'm thinking myself, Holy fuck, like 98 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: what is this? 99 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: Drill? 100 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: Instructor Paul Stack began at Lakeview in two thousand and 101 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: three and has welcomed thousands of new inmates to Shock 102 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: over the years. 103 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 8: Immediately we will be all over them in their face, 104 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 8: asking them why they're looking around. And you don't wait 105 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 8: for responses. These are rhetorical questions. As soon as they 106 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 8: start to answer and they open their mouth, now we're 107 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 8: yelling at him even more because we don't want an answer. 108 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 8: So it's setting them up for failure. Right off the 109 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 8: back they come in, we process them. We got to 110 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 8: take the restraints off them that we've had during transport 111 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 8: off and again, make sure they're following directions. You will 112 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 8: not turn your head, you will not look to the side, 113 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 8: You will look straight forward. Eyes in your head will 114 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 8: be straight. You will not look at anything but was 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 8: exactly in front of you. It's just NonStop. It's non 116 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 8: stopping because it's just so much being thrown at them 117 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 8: all at once. 118 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: Here's former shock in mate Ed Revere. 119 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 5: They weigh you, take your picture and they take one 120 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 5: at a time, and people had disappeared. So then it 121 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 5: was my turn and I go around and they weigh me. 122 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 5: They take my picture and they say get out of here. 123 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 5: So I'm running out the door. I ran out the 124 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 5: wrong door. So I come running out the wrong door 125 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 5: and there's the bus and no one else is around. 126 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 5: I will, what the hell does happen? So I'm kind 127 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 5: of looking around. Well, one of the drill instructors saw 128 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 5: me standing out of the zone. Holy shit, he came 129 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 5: running at me like I thought, he's gonna kill me. 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 6: Your motherfucker, how the fuck did you screw this up? 131 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 7: You're like retarded, you stupid son of a pitch out 132 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 7: the right fucking door. 133 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 5: I turn around and we ran out the other door 134 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 5: and there's everybody in line. 135 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: Drill instructor Russell Clark, a thirty year veteran of Lakeview, 136 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: explains the welcoming reception is part of the program. 137 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 9: We had a skit We've given them very loud, and 138 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 9: they'd be shaken. For them, it's a shock. They've never 139 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 9: seen this. They don't know what if they expect they 140 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 9: all get treated the same. It's like equally worthless pieces 141 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 9: or shit. And they were scared. I don't think any 142 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 9: of them knew what they were getting into. 143 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: They walked us in single file, a couple rows and 144 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: you checked in, and they told us repetitively that we 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: own you. We own you. New York State owns you. 146 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: You do as we say, and if you didn't, they'll 147 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: be health to pay. They're making you nervous, They're making 148 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: you do something wrong immediately because they want to make 149 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: sure that they have the upper hand. Some of them 150 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: they spit in their face. A couple of them got 151 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: slapped in the head. 152 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: The place was like being in a freezer. 153 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: It was cold from day one until I left. And green. 154 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: Everything's green. 155 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: The walls were light green, the bathrooms were darker, green 156 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: tiles in the shower, and the green uniforms. You know, 157 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: everything was green. 158 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: Everything was moving a million miles an hour, and there 159 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: were no breaks to have anything explained twice in no time. 160 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: The new arrivals were given everything they needed for the 161 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: entirety of their sentence. 162 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: They gave you a fresh set of clothes, boots, winter 163 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: hat and hoodie and all your basic necessitiesbrush, toothpaste, and 164 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: the whole time that this was going on, they are 165 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: screaming at you. So under that pressure and in that environment, 166 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: you can in your first five minutes there, you're easily 167 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: going to make a mistake. And that's what they want 168 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: you to do, because they want to prove to you 169 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: that you're gonna make mistakes, and we're going to call 170 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: you out on every one of them. 171 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: They will fail. 172 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 8: It's going to happen. They are absolutely not going to 173 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 8: follow those directions, like I just said. 174 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: After receiving their essentials, Mark and the other inmates entered 175 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: their preshock living quarters and got their mandatory haircut. According 176 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: to the Codes, Rules and Regulations of the State of 177 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: New York, all incoming shock inmates will have a haircut 178 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 3: on the first day in the facility. Haircuts will be 179 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: military style, one quarter inch in length and completely trimmed 180 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: around the years. 181 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: They took us one by one, just shaved our heads. 182 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: We're buck naked standing there. They give you this gel 183 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: or license stuff. They want to make sure that there's 184 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: no drum. So they just shaved your head, threw you 185 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: down there, slapped this shit in here. 186 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: And whoa This is crazy, man, What the fuck is. 187 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: Going on here? You know, Mark learned that even showering 188 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: is a stressful experience. 189 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: In Shock, they made us line up in roses seven. 190 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: And then fourteen of us went in and shot and 191 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: I'd say, you got three minutes. 192 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 9: There's seven shower heads and about fourteen the Mays stand 193 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 9: in there, so they had to move. They had to 194 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 9: share the water, get out of each other's way, scrub up, 195 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 9: and when I blew the whistle it was time to 196 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 9: come out. 197 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: They push a button, the water comes out. 198 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: Seven people step up and get wet, and then back 199 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: up and soap up, and then the other seven people 200 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: would step up and get wet, and then you would 201 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: quickly rotate. So you had three minutes to do that 202 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: and get out and put your clothes on and go 203 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: to bed. Don't make a peep. That was the first night. 204 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: That's what we did, and we didn't know what to 205 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. 206 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: The lights were out, no more shouting, no more spit 207 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: flying in his face, no more intimidation, at least not 208 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: until tomorrow morning. Alone with his thoughts, along with several 209 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: dozen conflicts he'd never met Mark tried his best to 210 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: settle in. 211 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: The first night was overwhelming, more conversation with myself than 212 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: I ever thought I. 213 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 9: Would when they go to bed or you're just staring 214 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 9: up at the ceild and say, what the hell did 215 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 9: I do to expect this. 216 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: I laid in that bed and I was scared. I 217 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: was nervous. I didn't want to fall asleep. I remember, 218 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: and I need to say, I need to be awake. 219 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: I need to see what's going on. You're laying in 220 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: bed and you don't know who's next to you. These 221 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: beds were about four and a half feet apart and 222 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: just rose lined up. You don't know who anybody is, 223 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: so you're looking around. You want to get the lay 224 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: of the land. You don't know anything about these guys. 225 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: You don't know who did what, why they're there, what 226 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: they're capable of. 227 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: You have no idea. 228 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: After an hour of scanning the room and contemplating what 229 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: kind of hell was coming in the morning, Mark realized 230 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: no amount of worrying was going to make the next 231 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: day easier. 232 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: Probably the best thing for me is to go to sleep, 233 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: because there was too many things in my head. Just 234 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: go to bed, try to get some sleep, be fresh 235 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: for the morning, and see what this fucking place is 236 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: all about. 237 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: And with those final thoughts, Mark closed his eyes and 238 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: tried to think back to a better time in his life. 239 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: Oakland a small, charming town twenty miles west of New 240 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: York City with about twelve thousand residents, a place that 241 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: New Jersey Monthly once touted as the number one town 242 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: in New Jersey for young families. 243 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: Oakland's a fantastic town. It really is a very small 244 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: knit community. Everybody kind of knew everybody. It was my mother. 245 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 4: We moved there in nineteen eighty two when I married 246 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 4: my second husband. 247 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: My stepfather, Richard, and his two daughters from a previous marriage, 248 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: my stepsisters, Vicki and Judy. 249 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 10: I've lived there in my whole life. I raised my 250 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 10: kids there. They have great school system. It's a great family, 251 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 10: great sports for kids. 252 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 11: I loved not only in New Jersey but our town. 253 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 11: Growing up there, we were near the Rampo River, and 254 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 11: now that I'm a parent, I marvel at the fact 255 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 11: that it was like a ten eleven year old with 256 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 11: my group of friends and we'd be down by the 257 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 11: Rampo River all day long. 258 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: My older brother Donnie's five years older than me. 259 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: I got there when I was twelve. Mark was seven, 260 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: I think, and my twin brother David. Dave and I 261 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: were fantastic together as twins growing up. I mean, what 262 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: would any other kid want. It's like a permanent, every 263 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: day of the minute friend to play with. 264 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: And that's what we had. 265 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: Whether it was baseball, soccer, playing with trucks, toys, just 266 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: messing up the house, pissing off our mother, you know, 267 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: banging kitchen cabinets. It didn't matter what it was, you know, 268 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: you always had somebody to do it and somebody to 269 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: blame it on. 270 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: Two of Mark's closest friends growing up were Jason and Darren. 271 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 12: Oakland kind of has a hill that a lot of 272 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 12: the houses are up on. I lived up at the 273 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 12: top of the hill and then it comes down to 274 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 12: the main road of Oakland, and they lived just across 275 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 12: that road, so I could ride my bike there easily. 276 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 13: Small town, hardworking people. I think my graduating class had 277 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 13: maybe one hundred and ninety five people in it or 278 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 13: something like that. At high school it was mostly Italian. 279 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 13: I say this to everybody. I had the greatest friends 280 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 13: in high school. I love those guys I never could 281 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 13: imagine having friends as close as I did with them. 282 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 12: These guys we're talking about are people that I've been 283 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 12: friends with almost my whole life. High schools where we 284 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 12: formed the most strong groups of friendships. But it's a 285 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 12: lot like what you'd expect from small town America. 286 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: It wasn't just a charming town with nice houses, a 287 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: winding river, and huge parks. In the eighties and nineties, 288 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: Oakland offered so much more with its own mall, arcade, 289 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: movie theater and lots of great restaurants. 290 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: You had a couple places. You had Scanio's, and you 291 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: had Molly's. Fish Market was a good one, and Kermit's Pond, 292 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: where my older brother Don actually worked for a short 293 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: period of time. 294 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: But there was one place that all the kids in 295 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: Oakland went to. It was their Arnold's. It was their 296 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: peach pit, it was their central perk. 297 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: It was Junior's Pizza. 298 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: Junior's Pizza was the place we all hung out at, 299 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: whether we were nine to ten or right through high school. 300 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: Junior's Pizza was the place everybody went. 301 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 14: So when you were a kid, you just left school 302 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 14: and went over to Junior's Pizza. 303 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: Great Turkish family that owned the place, three brothers, Baki, Kadeer, 304 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: and Hattie. I mean they became family, they really did. 305 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: They were so good to everybody that came in. They 306 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: were good to the kids, and the kids respected them. 307 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: Mark and Dave's family and friends could distinguish their personalities 308 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: as they grew up. Here's their friend Jason. 309 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 12: Mark and Dave could not have been any more different 310 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 12: than they are. I know, they're twins. Stunning to see 311 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 12: how different they actually are, not only from the way 312 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 12: they look, their personalities are starkly different too. 313 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: My brother would be a g rated brother. 314 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: You know. I was the guy that usually got us 315 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: in trouble. I'm sure my mother will have some stories 316 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: about that. 317 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 4: They would shake baby powder in the room to where 318 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 4: you were choking and coughing, and everything was covered in 319 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: white baby powder. 320 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 14: They were a menace. I was sort of a laid 321 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 14: back guy. They were always having a good time and 322 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 14: I was just trying to get left alone. 323 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 13: They're kind of like Martin and Lewis, like the stray 324 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 13: guy and the silly guy. Mark was the silly guy, hilarious, 325 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 13: just doing silly things that were just so funny, just 326 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 13: like a perfect pair of funny comedic duo. 327 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: One of Mark's favorite childhood memories is the time he 328 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: got both of them in trouble with the neighbors and 329 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: then quickly tried to talk his way out of it. 330 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: We had the Wingadora. It was a water balloon launcher. 331 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: It was a huge rubber band. One guy would hold 332 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: it up here, and one guy would hold it up here, 333 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: and the guy in the middle would pull it back. 334 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: And when I tell you, this would throw a water balloon, 335 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: probably two hundred yards and it was a bullet. So 336 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: one night we put oranges in it and we were 337 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: whacking the neighbor's house. 338 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: God's on a story. 339 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: This is how stupid we were kids one hundred feet 340 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: across the street, mister and missus Kramer what's their name. 341 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: And they came outside and I went and took orange 342 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: juice out of the kitchen refrigerator and I poured her 343 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: on the front door. 344 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: Because she came over and said, what do you guys? 345 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: I said, look, they got us too, the orange all 346 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: down the door. I mean, it's stupid, stupid. 347 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: She knew it was us. 348 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 4: Oh, Mark and Davis brothers. They were an experience. 349 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 14: They really were. 350 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: Mark drew in the car industry right out of high school, 351 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 3: and his twin Dave, became a big success, making six 352 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: figures and living the dream working for the Fortune five 353 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 3: hundred investment bank Morgan Stanley. A few years later he 354 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: moved on to Bank of America. 355 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: He was a stockbroker, account manager, you know, somebody who 356 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: had a book of business and get new clients and 357 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: invest their money and just kind of monitor for him, 358 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: give him the heads up when you should be selling 359 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: or buying, and you know, whatever stockbrokers do. He was 360 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: doing well. He was doing very well. The money was 361 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: rolling in. I was happy a hell for him. I 362 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: thought it was fantastic. He bought a convertible Porsche. He 363 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: bought a condo and Hoboken four stories. He was on 364 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: the fourth floor. He at a penthouse. You'd take an elevator, 365 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: you open it up, it's right in your living rooms. 366 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: Gorgeous. It was a very very nice condo. 367 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: Jason remembered Dave's early career success. 368 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 12: We were all still working and establishing our careers and 369 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 12: trying to find our way in the. 370 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: World, and Dave was probably the most successful of us. 371 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 12: He was living pretty high on the hog at that point, 372 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 12: but wasn't that surprising to us because he'd always been 373 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 12: such a hard work. 374 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: In addition to building a vast client list, Dave managed 375 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 3: money for his brothers as well. Don pushed Dave to 376 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: invest in a Silicon Valley giant. 377 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 14: I convinced him that I wanted to invest in Apple, 378 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 14: and he's like, no, no, no, absolutely not. And I'm like, 379 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 14: I wanted to get a thousand shares of Apple at 380 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 14: the time, which was I think twenty two dollars or 381 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 14: whatever it was, and I said, I want to do this. 382 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 14: He got me two hundred and fifty shares of Apple 383 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 14: and that quickly rose split again. 384 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: It was doing well. 385 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: Mark also crusted it early in his career, parlaying his 386 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: hot numbers as a tire salesman into a management position 387 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 3: at one of the largest and most successful car dealerships 388 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 3: in the country. 389 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: I reached out to a BMW dealer who was a 390 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: great customer of mine when I was with the other time. 391 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: They brought me on and I was a service advisor 392 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: then I was a parts and service director. 393 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 14: And I knew he wanted to get into sales, and 394 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 14: I knew he was that kind of guy like a salesman. 395 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 14: But I was like, all right, starting to bottom and 396 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 14: work your way up, figure out what you want to do, 397 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 14: and you're still a young kid. But he did. He 398 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 14: got better and better at what he was doing, and 399 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 14: he just stuck with it. 400 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: Landing the BMW job was only Mark's second greatest score 401 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: in the early two thousands. His greatest feet of the 402 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: decade occurred hanging with some buddies at a bar, when 403 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: he bumped into Liz, an old friend from his high 404 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 3: school days, and jokingly proposed to her rite on the spot. 405 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 3: This bold move epitomized Mark's nature and helped kickstart their 406 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 3: love story. 407 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: So I knew Liz from high school. 408 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: She actually went to Rampo, the rival high school, and 409 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: she dated a friend of mine after high school. 410 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: Once we were in our early twenties. 411 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 15: I met Mark because someone I was friends with hosted 412 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 15: a poker game, so I would go over there for 413 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 15: the poker nights and hang with the guys. 414 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: And I ran into her at a bar about five 415 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: or six years later, and I said, oh my god, Liz, 416 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: how are you? 417 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: What's going on? 418 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 15: I think he said, let's have dinner, maybe have some kids, 419 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 15: and moved to Florida. 420 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: And she said yeah in that order, and I went 421 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: out with her the following week. 422 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: We had dinner. We kind of hit it off. 423 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 14: Liz. We really love Liz. 424 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 4: Her mother and my husband at the time kind of 425 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 4: worked together. Her mother was a realtor, my husband was 426 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 4: in the mortgage in and we enjoyed getting together with them. 427 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 14: Liz. I always liked her. She was such a good girl. 428 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 3: Mark found love and someone who was both similar to 429 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: him and his total opposite, like the relationship with his 430 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: twin brother Dave. The same but different, and they seemed 431 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: perfect together. 432 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: She was fun and quite honestly, she was a lot 433 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: different than me. She wasn't flashy or anything like that. 434 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: She was very down to earth. 435 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 15: His personality was so engaging. He's very charismatic. He was fine. 436 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 15: It was never a dull moment. He was very positive, 437 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 15: and it was like a brother of fresh air. He 438 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 15: was just absolutely fun all the time. 439 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: And she liked to laugh. I think that was That's 440 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: the thing I loved about her the most. She really 441 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: enjoyed joking around and going out, having to drink and 442 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: just not a care in the world, just laughing, dancing, 443 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of person, good hearted girl. 444 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: These wonderful memories Mark dreamt of would quickly be replaced 445 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: by the harsh reality of his first day in shock incarceration. 446 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: Mark jolted awake to a barrage of unruly noises as 447 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: he braced himself for the first day of shock incarceration. 448 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: They bang garbage can lids, they blow whistles. You have 449 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: three seconds to be out of bed, standing at attention 450 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: at the endge of your bed. 451 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. They don't tell you that. 452 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: You heard that whistle and garbage can and shit your pants, 453 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: opened your eyes, and you saw everybody else doing it, 454 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: so you did it. Those people that were there two nights, 455 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: three nights before me, they knew what to do, and 456 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: they obviously had their first night and not knowing what. 457 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: To do in the morning. 458 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: So I very quickly found out that five point thirty 459 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: in the morning, that's what you have to do. 460 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: Despite being savvy enough to follow along with the rest 461 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: of his fellow inmates, Mark didn't quite understand why. 462 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: What's with the screaming This one guy across from me, Davis, 463 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: that's what they want you to do when you wake 464 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: up every morning. You have to wake up screaming. 465 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: Here's drill instructor Russell Clark. 466 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 9: And they'd have to scream as they're getting out of 467 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 9: bed and stand in attention. They had to do that instantly. 468 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 9: If not, they're going to get back in and out 469 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 9: of the wreck. 470 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: The first thing they do every morning is the count. 471 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: So drellal instructor would say, all right, start and for 472 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: the first thing, it's sir one sir, sir, two sir, sir, 473 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: three sir, and they go all the way around the room. 474 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: So two parts of the dorm would go in the 475 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: bathroom do their thing, while the other part of the 476 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: dorm is made in their beds and getting all their 477 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: clothes and all that stuff reddy. So they would go 478 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: for about three minutes and he would blow the whistle. Well, 479 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: it didn't matter where you were at. If you were 480 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: halfway don't your bed, or if you were halfwa brushing 481 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: your teeth, it was now your turn to do the 482 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: other half of the six minutes. So after you do 483 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: the count, the drill instructor would say, okay, the dress 484 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: code for today is and he would rattle off greens, 485 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: work boots, brown cap, whatever was very specific. So we 486 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: would do that and then everybody would stand at attention. 487 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: They would walk up and down to give a quick inspection. 488 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: After an inspection of their clothes, the inmates were rushed 489 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 3: outside for physical training or PT, and the lake View 490 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 3: Drill Instructors or d I's didn't ease in the newbies 491 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 3: from day one. It was balls to the wall, and 492 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 3: the stories he'd heard of Shock's relentless PT scared Mark 493 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: more than the yelling, screaming or threats of violence. 494 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: I was really concerned. 495 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: I was two hundred and eight pounds, I was out 496 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: of shape, and I was considered one of the older people. 497 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: I was thirty six when I went in. The average 498 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: age was twenty, so it's a lot of younger kids, 499 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: and I was very concerned about being able to keep 500 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: up with them. It was push up, sit up, jumping jacks, jogging, 501 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: place scissor kicks, all these exercises together. You're using muscles 502 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: you never use, and I was hurting. 503 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 9: It was going to be hard on the inmates. Here 504 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 9: we get guys in out of shape. I've done very 505 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 9: little physical activities in her life, and. 506 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: At night things didn't get any easier. Here's Ed Revere 507 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 3: breaking down their routine. 508 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 5: Typically at nighttime, it's a drone instructor. He would help racks. 509 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 5: You strip down to your boxers, stand in the corner, 510 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 5: and then he would say ready, Racks, and then you 511 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 5: yell yes, Surrey, take two steps. Everyone had to get 512 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 5: into the rack at the same time. The wild part 513 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 5: is they also never turned off the lights, your lights. 514 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 5: Around twenty four to seven, it was rough. I learned 515 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 5: how to sleep without a pill on to pillo over 516 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 5: my head, and then you had the outside area that 517 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 5: also had lights. So nighttime they would turn the far 518 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 5: outside lights off and might make it a little dimmer, 519 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 5: but overall nope. 520 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: The first two weeks were intended to break down the 521 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: new arrivals. The shock incarceration program is officially six months, 522 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: but those six months only commence when an entire platoon 523 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: of fifty four inmates has been built, beds become available 524 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: in one of ten dorms, and after a preceding platoon graduates. 525 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: Here's drill instructor Clark. 526 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 9: In the first two weeks we call zero weeks because 527 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 9: it doesn't call for anything. 528 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 16: Our job then is teach them the program, teach them 529 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 16: the way, get them ready. Those two weeks of intense 530 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 16: training for I tell you what. I went home sore 531 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 16: and tired every day and lost my voice every zero weeks, 532 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 16: and they never knew that. The very last day of 533 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 16: zero weeks, we'd do what's called a knucklehead drill and 534 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 16: we take them to the pt deck we're behind the school, 535 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 16: and we pt them for three hours straight. 536 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 9: So it's the hardest two weeks is the first two weeks. 537 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: It's brutal out there. And if there was snow, sleet, rain, 538 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: freezing ice, it didn't matter. It didn't matter. You were 539 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: out there doing it and he froze your balls off. 540 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: You didn't have a choice. 541 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: On top of the grueling physical training, the inmates were 542 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: also required to attend group therapy sessions. Mark vividly remembers 543 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: the first one. 544 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: In a single file. 545 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: We walked into the room, a twenty by twenty square room, 546 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: and all four walls were mirrors, and as we walked in, 547 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: Councilor Rose kind of directed us around the room. We 548 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: stood there at an arm's length away from each other, 549 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: looking at the mirror, one by one, all four walls. 550 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: You just start thinking about family and make that change. 551 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: I remember specifically saying that line, and that's what this 552 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: was for it was to make a change, and it 553 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: was to make a positive change. And I'm getting goosebumps 554 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: even telling you the story now because I can see 555 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: the emotion in my eyes. 556 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: I can see a little quiver in the lip. You know, 557 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: you get emotional, but yet you got to fight through it. 558 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 17: And everything I did when I hear stuff like that 559 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 17: and think about stuff like that and doing the right thing, 560 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 17: it was all back to family and why am I 561 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 17: here and how bad they're thinking about me and how 562 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 17: worried they are about me, And that was my biggest 563 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 17: fear in there, and my biggest struggle, quite honestly. 564 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 3: Mark's preshock lasted nearly two stress filled months from his 565 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: arrival at Lakeview a week before Christmas twenty twelve, through 566 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: February eighth, twenty thirteen, when his platoon, the Rough Riders, 567 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: was ready to begin the program. He used this time 568 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: to learn how he could best exceed expectations and avoid 569 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: the wrath of the drill instructors, who seemingly look for 570 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: any excuse they could find to explode into a slew 571 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 3: of spit filled commands. 572 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: Shaki is a hands on program and ultimately, how it 573 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: was explained to us is by the law, they have 574 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: the ability to put their hands on you, whether it's 575 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: slapping you, grabbing you, throwing you down to the ground, 576 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: handcuffing you. I don't necessarily think it meant that they 577 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: could knee you in the ribs or punch you in 578 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: the back, which they did at times. You know, I've 579 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: seen that, But it is a hands on facility. The 580 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: first time I saw a confrontation between the guards and 581 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: an inmate, they put fear in you, because at the 582 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: end of the day, is that going to be me. 583 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: Mostly it's a quick jab or two that they get 584 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: off in the chest, in the ribs, a knee, a punch, 585 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: But it happened on a regular basis. 586 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: Mark avoided zero week's punishment by following orders, not talking back, 587 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 3: and never ever eyeballing a drill instructor. 588 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: There's no talking. 589 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 9: You're handneiser main straight forward at all times. 590 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: You're gonna eyeball staff. 591 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: You cannot look a drill instructor in the eye. You 592 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: cannot ever look at him in the eye. 593 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Ever. 594 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: If a drill instructor would say Lombardo front and center, sir, yes, sir, 595 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: you'd run up to him and you would look right 596 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: over him, you know, to the right of him. To 597 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: left them, you'd be looking at the wall behind him, 598 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: but you never look at his eyes. 599 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: Being acutely aware of what fellow inmates were doing to 600 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: avoid trouble, Mark paid attention to those doing things the 601 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: right way and tried to follow their lead. 602 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: In the first couple of days, if not week and 603 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: a half two weeks, it was a lot of observation 604 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: on my part. It was observing who made their rack 605 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: the quickest, who made it the best, because we got 606 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: judged on that, and drill instructors would walk up and down. 607 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: So there was this one guy directly across from me, Davis, 608 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: and his bed or racked. It was immaculate, so I 609 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 1: kind of observed him to see how he was doing it. 610 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: You had to have everything lined up in your locker, 611 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: your hangars had to be two fingers apart, your soap 612 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: and everything had to be in a certain spot. And 613 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: I observe what other people's looked like, and you kind 614 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: of adapted to how they were doing it. The guy 615 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: to the left of me was an elderly Spanish guy 616 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: who was really good at polishing his boots. I actually 617 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: asked him I said, can you show me how you 618 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: get him so shiny? And he was showing me different ways. 619 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 14: To do it. 620 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: As you can imagine in a prison facility, there were 621 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: a bunch of screw ups as well, and they had 622 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: their own special nickname. 623 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 9: Shipbird was somebody that didn't have their shit together. They 624 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 9: were flying around messed up and they needed correction. 625 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: Other inmates would call you a shipbird. Did I call 626 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: people a shipberd? Absolutely? 627 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 5: If you have a brown head on, you are considered 628 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: a shitbird. 629 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: As Mark explains, there were several full time shipbirds, and 630 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: regardless of the infraction or who committed it in Shock, 631 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 3: the entire platoon was punished and each inmate was just 632 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 3: one mistake away from either being recycled in the program 633 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 3: or thrown out completely. 634 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: McFadden was responsible for the entire dorm having their lockers 635 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: dumped one night. They would literally just toss them and 636 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: your shit would be all over the place. 637 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 9: They had to maintain those lockers perfect, so I'd always 638 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 9: have the midnight offer stay back, inspect the lockers and 639 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 9: if they found it, well, maybe their locker got tipped over, 640 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 9: and if they did it the game, maybe their locker 641 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 9: got thrown across the squad bay. 642 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: If they did again, maybe they came back. 643 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 9: To their locker was outside, or maybe they moved outside 644 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 9: with their locker and lived at the light pole with 645 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 9: their locker for a day or two. 646 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: This fucking guy would never have his shoes lined up. 647 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: We came back from dinner in the danger zone was 648 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: a fucking mound of shoes. Every single one was tied together. 649 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: And he said, you can thank McFadden for you guys 650 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: having the next hour getting your shoes out of here. 651 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: Go ahead, have fun. 652 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: And you looked around and you were like, what the fuck. 653 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: First thing I did, I went down to my rack. 654 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: I want to see if it was a joke. I 655 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: want to make sure they were actually gone. They were gone, 656 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: and we were like, you motherfucker. I quickly realized that 657 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: in order to graduate shock incarceration prison and avoid doing 658 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: my full bid sentence in a max prison, that I 659 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: needed to not only help myself but also help every 660 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: fucking member of the rough Rider platoon to start following 661 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: orders in lockstep. One thing I certainly knew was this 662 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: would be an uphill challenge to accomplish, But to be honest, 663 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know exactly what to expect Next. 664 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 18: Shock Incarceration is a joint production from iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures, 665 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 18: produced and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers are Mark Lombardo, 666 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 18: Tommy James, Noel Brown, and Jeff Keating. Written by Jim Roberts, 667 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 18: Tommy James, Chris Ragazzo and Jeff Keating. Story edit by 668 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 18: Jim Roberts, Edit mix and sound design by Lane Krauts. 669 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 14: From Herd's Creek Productions. 670 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 18: Music composed by Diamond Street Productions, accompanied by Tyler Greenwell, 671 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 18: Danny Wattanas, Sean Thompson and Spencer Garne. Special thanks to 672 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 18: Trinity Investigative Group and Mark Lombardo's family and friends who 673 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 18: contributed to the podcast.