Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride.
Speaker 2: And our comic girl cheering for the right teams.
Speaker 3: Drama Queens Girl Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you
Speaker 3: could sit with us.
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Speaker 5: You guys, Season six, Episode six, Messing with the Kid.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: Some of us think it was awesome. Some of us
Speaker 5: think it was a dumpster fire. But we were gonna
Speaker 5: find middle ground because there was some cute in this
Speaker 5: episode from October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Ready to Go,
Speaker 5: Would you guys?
Speaker 1: Love and hate?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I liked this episode.
Speaker 2: I was surprised you said you didn't like it.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 5: I like parts of it, but this is my overall
Speaker 5: and the fans. I have seen your feedback. I know
Speaker 5: you don't like it when I pick on things. However,
Speaker 5: as a professional who watch this episode with her thirteen
Speaker 5: year old child, what I will say is that it
Speaker 5: felt like each actor only had one day available and
Speaker 5: everything was like the same blocking, the same set, like
Speaker 5: the same thing over and over again, and the dialogue
Speaker 5: was all a reminder of old basic shit that we
Speaker 5: already know, Like like there's a conversation in particular between
Speaker 5: Haley and Brook where it's like, you're the strongest person
Speaker 5: I know because ABCD, You're the strongest person I know
Speaker 5: because ABC. And I was just like, what executive note
Speaker 5: did we get from Warner Brothers where they were like, hey, guys,
Speaker 5: nobody remembers anything from the previous five seasons.
Speaker 1: Can you remind them all in one episode?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe they were focused more on the on
Speaker 2: the comedy, because there were a lot of quips and
Speaker 2: a lot of jokes, and I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: good one liners and stuff. So I'm wondering if maybe
Speaker 2: they were just like, we just need a funny, light episode,
Speaker 2: and so they gave it to Haro and Strauss and said,
Speaker 2: please just make this funny, and so that's really the
Speaker 2: only thing it seemed like they were focused on.
Speaker 1: Run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also get the sense like because the humor
Speaker 3: and the equips and everything I really enjoyed. I thought
Speaker 3: some of the comedy in this episode was great, and
Speaker 3: then the things that started to kind of turn into that,
Speaker 3: like w want, what are we doing? Why are we
Speaker 3: doing exposition together over coffee?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You guys are best friends? You? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Like it.
Speaker 3: I liked the way the scene started and then I went, oh, wait,
Speaker 3: are we just going to volley? The same compliment back
Speaker 3: and forth, and it it felt to me like one
Speaker 3: of those I don't know. The thing that it lit
Speaker 3: up in my brain was, is this a bridge episode
Speaker 3: to remind like maybe the fans who started in five
Speaker 3: or six of some things, because there's some stuff coming,
Speaker 3: Like I get that sense that maybe they're trying to
Speaker 3: lay pipe for something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you just say lay pipe?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I meant late payment. It was. It
Speaker 3: was in my head.
Speaker 1: I was doing the road. Oh boy, that would have
Speaker 1: been a better episode.
Speaker 3: It's really early and I had clearly not had this
Speaker 3: coffee yet.
Speaker 1: Poor Lucas couldn't lay pipe this. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: loved it. Let's talk about your storyline. I loved it.
Speaker 1: It was it was my favorite.
Speaker 2: It was really nice. Here's what I have to say
Speaker 2: about this. Because every relationship needs levity, it needs jokes,
Speaker 2: it needs you have to laugh with each other.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever seen Peyton belly laugh on
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: No never, that was the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, you can't have a relationship sustained on
Speaker 2: drama and ups and downs and trauma bonding and all
Speaker 2: the like, we have to know why they actually like
Speaker 2: each other's company. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1: Saw it weird episode to watch with your son.
Speaker 5: He just like Jeff's Jeff's in the city with George
Speaker 5: and so Gus like wandered in this morning while I
Speaker 5: was watching the episode and was like, what's this And
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't remember, kid. I'm like, once
Speaker 5: you're in, you're in. And for him, he's seen this
Speaker 5: couple play the way he sees his dad and I play.
Speaker 5: Where you know, anything that's high stress in our household
Speaker 5: we make a joke out of and that's how we
Speaker 5: keep things light and cool. So for him, that looked
Speaker 5: really normal. And he didn't like his mom, you know,
Speaker 5: walking around on.
Speaker 1: A T shirt, but.
Speaker 5: It was it was cool to see him be like, oh,
Speaker 5: this couple is a no brainer. He likes Lucas and
Speaker 5: Peyton together and so as a palette cleanser after this episode,
Speaker 5: because I was a little wah wah afterwards, especially with
Speaker 5: the freeze frame on Jamie at the very end, which
Speaker 5: was so dog.
Speaker 1: I was like, Gus, do you want to watch the pilot.
Speaker 5: Because he's you know, he's a theater kid and he
Speaker 5: wants to get back into basketball and he's been talking
Speaker 5: about it all week, and I was like, watch the pilot,
Speaker 5: see what happens, and for him to watch the big
Speaker 5: beginning of Peyton and Lucas this morning and can jump
Speaker 5: up out of his seat when Lucas hits the game
Speaker 5: winning shot in the pilot and like tells Peyton, I'll
Speaker 5: be seeing you.
Speaker 1: The child jumped off the couch.
Speaker 5: It was a horrible And then to watch this episode
Speaker 5: where like Peyton and Lucas are now together and everything's great.
Speaker 5: It was cool to watch the magic of this relationship
Speaker 5: unfold for a brand new set of eyes. And to
Speaker 5: your point, I like that there was fun in this episode.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 5: Maybe we didn't have the budget to do one of
Speaker 5: our big, big, big episodes, so we just brought everybody
Speaker 5: into house Arrest. We're all just Sophia opened that door
Speaker 5: so many times in the summers.
Speaker 1: Who's behind door number two?
Speaker 5: The Brook Davis apartment door got a workout house arrest.
Speaker 1: We've all been. We were all on house arrest for
Speaker 1: years with our people.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I really want to know because we're talking
Speaker 3: about joy. You and I are talking about what we
Speaker 3: enjoy about seeing Hillary and Chad like laugh together and
Speaker 3: play together and have these jokes. But you are what
Speaker 3: don't you like about it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why don't you like that?
Speaker 3: Is it that it feels like a device and you
Speaker 3: and you guys managed to make the device good in
Speaker 3: the pages?
Speaker 5: Yes, so the whole like shtick of I read an
Speaker 5: article and it was clear to me that women had
Speaker 5: no say in this script, like Peyton freaking out about
Speaker 5: this article and like, oh no, bla, Like I remember
Speaker 5: thinking it was dumb when we were doing it, and
Speaker 5: I even said to Gus while we were watching it,
Speaker 5: I was like, look, this is how actors take something
Speaker 5: that they think is dumb and commit to it in
Speaker 5: such a way that you were in your paycheck.
Speaker 1: And so we did work really hard.
Speaker 5: To make it fun. And what I liked is that
Speaker 5: Chad and I made the choice together because remember having
Speaker 5: a conversation that we were never going to be mad
Speaker 5: at each other, Like there was a little bit like
Speaker 5: are you going to get irritated with each other, and.
Speaker 1: It was like, no, the oh, he's good. Like each
Speaker 1: each volley of the.
Speaker 5: War of the Roses was an opportunity to impress one
Speaker 5: another with our creativity, and so that felt fun. But
Speaker 5: then like Haley getting into a physical altercation with the
Speaker 5: mom at school, and I was waiting the way that
Speaker 5: all the women were talking in.
Speaker 1: This episode that it was clear there was not a
Speaker 1: female executive anywhere to be seen.
Speaker 3: Guys, sweet Kelsey coming back. The joy of seeing Gigi
Speaker 3: and then having her be like, I'm just having lots
Speaker 3: of sex and I wish I'd had sex with you,
Speaker 3: and I also have sex with girls. I was like,
Speaker 3: what eight year old boy wrote this? Yeah, like, women
Speaker 3: don't talk that way, and if we want to flirt
Speaker 3: with someone who were like, man, I've had a you know,
Speaker 3: really should have done this differently the last time I
Speaker 3: had a shot like, we're not gonna talk like that way.
Speaker 5: More coated and clever. Women are so much more clever
Speaker 5: than all this just like blatant.
Speaker 2: Wowow, it was great seeing her face on the screen.
Speaker 2: I was sure I was happy to see her, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I really wish they had given her something a little
Speaker 2: more interesting to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody like looked good in this episode. Where did
Speaker 5: we all come from? Everyone's kind of like tan and
Speaker 5: in a good mood.
Speaker 2: I have that note too. I was like, I have
Speaker 2: a tan, Hillary's got a tan.
Speaker 1: You were all glowy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Lee had a tan. You had fresh highlights, Hill,
Speaker 2: So if you had a haircut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did we have a hiatus?
Speaker 2: Maybe we had a hiatus.
Speaker 3: It aired at the end of October, which means if
Speaker 3: we were six weeks ahead in shooting mid September. I mean,
Speaker 3: what a dreamy time in Wilmington. It's still hot enough
Speaker 3: to go to the beach, but it's not so humid
Speaker 3: that you think you're gonna die when you're outside.
Speaker 1: And the tourists are gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, maybe this was one of those years where
Speaker 3: we were all just like on the beach on the weekends.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think so those were good times.
Speaker 3: They were. And it's interesting because that that spirit of
Speaker 3: play that like you can kind of see on everybody's
Speaker 3: faces and how you're talking about you two really wanted
Speaker 3: to make sure you kept it playful instead of bickering,
Speaker 3: especially because the device of like, oh, a woman's read
Speaker 3: something and now she's upset, is like, yeah, so it
Speaker 3: so it's like so victorian and dumb.
Speaker 2: Yeah Victorian, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, oh, the woman has learned to read and now
Speaker 3: she's on the fainting couch, Like, what is this going on? Stupid?
Speaker 3: I hate it.
Speaker 1: That's what irritated me. I couldn't articulate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's very pedantic, but I will say you
Speaker 3: you guys infused play into it and Joy, you said it.
Speaker 3: Watching Peyton Belly laugh is fun watching for me, remembering
Speaker 3: the sort of this kind of like frustrated comedy with
Speaker 3: good one liner as I got to do in brook
Speaker 3: That was always really fun for me. Joy. Even though
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous that Haley would like get into a fistfight
Speaker 3: with this mom, it's fun to watch you, like fired
Speaker 3: up and to have to watch Nathan talk Haley off
Speaker 3: a ledge, you know, yeah yeah, and then Nathan's playing
Speaker 3: everybody's playing him with Jamie and on the slam ball cord,
Speaker 3: and you know, Chad's playing with you. It's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it is really nice. As silly as some
Speaker 3: of the devices are, it's really nice to see everybody
Speaker 3: just having a good time together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's totally I mean, I don't know, Hill,
Speaker 2: I thought it was totally reasonable that they would she
Speaker 2: would be goofing around. I think it was it went
Speaker 2: too far in the direction of what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But the idea that she would wake up be reading
Speaker 2: a magazine article if they had written it a little
Speaker 2: bit more with a little lighter of a tone and go,
Speaker 2: you know, start mentioning these things and then they get
Speaker 2: into it, and then the day just progresses and it's
Speaker 2: like I'm drawn a line on the floor and that
Speaker 2: you just play with each other. That feels realistic to
Speaker 2: me that I could see two people in a relationship
Speaker 2: just having fun, goof it off all day long and
Speaker 2: just the one upping each other. It's it's a fun
Speaker 2: way to just play.
Speaker 1: You know what I liked you fine?
Speaker 3: Oh good? Oh good. What I will say I liked
Speaker 3: about it, even though I hate the Victorian nature of
Speaker 3: it all, is that what it does allow sometimes when
Speaker 3: you don't know how to have an uncomfortable conversation with someone,
Speaker 3: you know. Remember, parents used to say this to us
Speaker 3: about watching our show with their kids. This helps me
Speaker 3: talk to them about relationships. It helps me talk to
Speaker 3: them about sexuality, helps me talk to them about drinking.
Speaker 3: I like that we get to see that, you know,
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily a big deal, but you are uncomfortable
Speaker 3: that you haven't actually moved in, and you do want
Speaker 3: to sleep in a grown up room.
Speaker 2: And oh, thank god, I was so happy, Peyton, please
Speaker 2: not sleep finally.
Speaker 1: Wait, did we ever read the synopsis?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Shoot, we did. We so fired up about this. All right,
Speaker 5: all right, we're going to give it to you now.
Speaker 5: So these were all just teasers.
Speaker 1: Those were teasers for you. Somebody read this thing.
Speaker 3: Season six, episode seven, Messing with the Kid air date
Speaker 3: October twenty of two thousand and eight. Nathan and Haley
Speaker 3: Mu's parent Jamie in the face of a school bully,
Speaker 3: while Lucas and Peyton adjust to life as a living couple.
Speaker 3: Brooke finds being a role model not as easy as
Speaker 3: she expected, and Marvin tries to get his old job back.
Speaker 3: I love their story.
Speaker 1: I did too. Thank god.
Speaker 2: Peyton wanted to move into the Karen's bedroom, the master bed.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: It was needed, you know.
Speaker 5: The only other episode that Gus had ever seen before
Speaker 5: was when Lindsey was living with Lucas, and there was
Speaker 5: an episode where she's asleep in bed and he's like
Speaker 5: dinking around at the typewriter, like watching her sleep.
Speaker 1: And even my child was like, why are they in
Speaker 1: his childhood bedroom? That's weird. And so I like that
Speaker 1: Peyton is messing with him. Oh, I remember what it was.
Speaker 1: So the whole thing about Lucas not being able to
Speaker 1: like get it up so funny.
Speaker 5: I remember that was like a thing because Chad was
Speaker 5: he committed to it.
Speaker 1: He played it really really well.
Speaker 5: But I remember it feeling like a dig and I remember, like,
Speaker 5: you know, when you're like a young stud actor on
Speaker 5: TV and your storyline is that you can't perform. He
Speaker 5: committed to his job, but it wasn't fun for him.
Speaker 1: That's embarrassing, Like it's an embarrassing thing. But it was
Speaker 1: in his mom's bedroom. Like I get it.
Speaker 5: I get it, I get it. I one hundred percent
Speaker 5: get it. But you know, sometimes when we would get
Speaker 5: thrown those storylines where you're like, oh, I know there, yes, Phil,
Speaker 5: he was a very good sport about it, which made
Speaker 5: me laugh even harder. I mean, I'm like, I legitimately
Speaker 5: had a great time doing those scenes because he was
Speaker 5: so butt hurt that I was laughing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of it when he calls like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna call Lindsay and you're like, I mean, if you
Speaker 2: think that would.
Speaker 5: Help, Yeah, fine, you should call her. I love how
Speaker 5: unthreatened Peyton is by Lindsay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really that was a good move. That
Speaker 2: was a power move.
Speaker 1: I liked it. But I think my favorite thing was
Speaker 1: Fergie coming in at the end.
Speaker 2: Yes, every time I see those rivercourt boys, they're so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Junk checking his phone to see how he
Speaker 1: got a text.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those little moments were so gold. My favorite line
Speaker 2: of the whole episode was I don't remember ordering bad Italian.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a weird bit. Take come back,
Speaker 1: like the owen of it all.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's also one of those storylines where
Speaker 3: I don't if Joe had started working on True Blood
Speaker 3: or what was going on, but he just disappeared, and
Speaker 3: then Stephen was back, but then Steven disappeared. Now Joe's back.
Speaker 3: I feel like it must have had something to do
Speaker 3: with availability, because I can't imagine they would have just
Speaker 3: been so sloppy. But maybe they were so sloppy and
Speaker 3: the message boards were going so crazy that they were like,
Speaker 3: oh man, we really need to explain this, We really
Speaker 3: need to do something about this.
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really fun. It was another sort
Speaker 2: of bantery one uppy, but in a sincere way. And
Speaker 2: I appreciated that he his characters stepped up and apologized,
Speaker 2: and I liked it.
Speaker 3: Joe and I always had really good chemistry, Like, we
Speaker 3: always had so much fun working together. We laughed a lot,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a when Brook and Owen played tension,
Speaker 3: it was it was always just really fun for us
Speaker 3: to be like, how are we going to dial this
Speaker 3: one up? And yeah, there's something about that volley when
Speaker 3: it's a little spicy that then when someone pierces that
Speaker 3: with some vulnerability, really chooses to share something, that the
Speaker 3: energy changes. It's like the ball stops mid air in
Speaker 3: a good way. And I really I enjoyed watching that.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching him make that turn. I enjoyed I honestly,
Speaker 3: I was like, I do I deserve an apology? Brook
Speaker 3: deserves an apology? That feels nice?
Speaker 2: She absolutely does after all that, and then he just
Speaker 2: bails and sends Chase over instead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stupid stupid. Gust didn't like it.
Speaker 5: God, because Brooke lays out such a strong case right
Speaker 5: and is like you did this and this and this
Speaker 5: and this and this and just reads him the riot
Speaker 5: act and is clear and not emotional but just like
Speaker 5: super factual about the way things played out and how
Speaker 5: cruel and immature it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And his answer.
Speaker 5: Is you're right, I'm sorry, and then he offers up
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of excuses and Gus was like, I
Speaker 5: do not care about his heroin problems and what does
Speaker 5: it have to do with anything? Like, Gus was just
Speaker 5: so put off, Like who wrote this? They thought that
Speaker 5: was a good apology? And so I love seeing things
Speaker 5: through the perspective of these young Like when I showed.
Speaker 1: Him Breakfast Club, he was like, this is repulsive.
Speaker 2: What did he think would be a sufficient apology? Did
Speaker 2: he venture to say?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Because I think it went straight into flirting. It
Speaker 5: was like, you're right, and I'm sorry. You want to
Speaker 5: come see me tonight?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't run away next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 5: It didn't feel sincere to him because there was still
Speaker 5: like a flirtation in.
Speaker 1: It instead of it like attached.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Gus wanted him to understand the
Speaker 5: gravity of it, you know where it's like you if
Speaker 5: you stand me up for a date saying, you know what,
Speaker 5: you're right, I'm sorry. But if you ghost someone who's
Speaker 5: going through like trauma like Rachel has odd in Brooks apartment.
Speaker 5: Her mother is trying desperately to destroy her. She just
Speaker 5: moved to town, she's on her own, her best friend
Speaker 5: just moved out and left her.
Speaker 1: She lost this baby she wanted.
Speaker 5: Does Really that's when you say I'm so fucking sorry,
Speaker 5: that's like you bring it into like the depths of sorry.
Speaker 1: Well my little feminist son was not impressed.
Speaker 3: Well, and this really that's so cool. And really what
Speaker 3: this is is it does feel like one of those
Speaker 3: TV moments where they're like, let's wrap it up in
Speaker 3: a bow, and it would be so much cooler to
Speaker 3: let it sit and then have him ask her out
Speaker 3: in six oh seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can't afford six eight, six o nine.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think you're absolutely right. Yeah, that's that's how that's how
Speaker 2: real life works. You just want to see a sincere moment,
Speaker 2: a sincere apology, somebody just being genuine, and it takes time,
Speaker 2: take it takes time.
Speaker 1: The chemistry is great though, like you too, I think
Speaker 1: like there's.
Speaker 5: No need to draw it out because the audience just
Speaker 5: wants to see you guys back in a friendly space. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and so let's not belabor it. This is just it's
Speaker 5: just the Morgan's being nitpicky. You kind of no, but.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's really funny. Like I've got I
Speaker 3: have this friend Tom who's always looking at the women
Speaker 3: in his life, and he's like, how did we let
Speaker 3: you all set the bar solo? He gets really upset,
Speaker 3: And I wrote down taking notes about this, like you
Speaker 3: know that Brooke is willing to call him out on
Speaker 3: his avoidance, that she does laundry, list all the facts
Speaker 3: that you know, the part of me that really prioritizes
Speaker 3: mental health gets that he has avoidant attachment because he has,
Speaker 3: you know, his own trauma, his addiction stuff, whatever. But
Speaker 3: I literally wrote, I was like, ironic that she does
Speaker 3: all the work and him getting over the bar is
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, could I just try again?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, Like he has to do almost nothing,
Speaker 2: and she's like that might be nice.
Speaker 5: Check yes or no, And he wrote, I'm the ale yes,
Speaker 5: but oh yeah, that's what we've been conditioned to do it.
Speaker 1: We're just middle schoolers deep down.
Speaker 3: He just booked right over the bar.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just I'm over here now.
Speaker 2: Brooke, however, is some kind of superhero who makes ten
Speaker 2: capes and in like an owl? Did we notice that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I loved this parenting. I loved this so hard I've
Speaker 5: lived it. I loved watching this. And while the men
Speaker 5: who wrote this episode have never spoken to women before,
Speaker 5: they're alien to women, they must have experienced some sort
Speaker 5: of childhood bullying or interaction like this, because this was
Speaker 5: I loved it.
Speaker 1: It was my favorite part.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It goes so much deeper than these options right that
Speaker 3: we've been taught and that you guys discuss in that
Speaker 3: first scene. No, you don't hit a bully, you walk away.
Speaker 3: It's like, so you either get hit or you hit someone.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, what's in the middle. And to
Speaker 3: see the dad figure out the middle, to figure out
Speaker 3: how to come in and shift the narrative, yeah, and
Speaker 3: be a hero and let his son be a hero.
Speaker 3: It was just so sweet. And the fact that it
Speaker 3: managed to make all the kids be nice to each other.
Speaker 3: I was like, more of this man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, that's the kind of thing you want
Speaker 2: to see. That's I liked why Nathan put his power
Speaker 2: into practice.
Speaker 5: I mean, especially because Dan Scott is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: In this episode every line.
Speaker 5: I grew up with Dan scott parents, just so you know,
Speaker 5: Like I had a bully in elementary school and used
Speaker 5: to make me cry all the time. And my parents
Speaker 5: were like, well, you know why they're a bully because
Speaker 5: their dad's aing alcoholic that cheats on their mom. And
Speaker 5: so they were like, so next time they come for you,
Speaker 5: you just tell them that. Right.
Speaker 1: This is like elementary school and.
Speaker 5: Gosh, and it was cruel and unusual, and you grow
Speaker 5: up and you learn empathy and you're like, oh Christ,
Speaker 5: like what a nightmare?
Speaker 1: Like why would anyone encourage this?
Speaker 5: And so with my son, Gus gets bullied all the time,
Speaker 5: and we have very different conversations about like the trickle
Speaker 5: down effect of bullying and why it happens and how
Speaker 5: to avoid it and how to remove yourself from those situations.
Speaker 5: And so I loved that Nathan could have grown up
Speaker 5: in this Dan Scott household and been like, we're not
Speaker 5: going to repeat this cycle. We're going to get creative
Speaker 5: instead and instead of being a threatening parent, I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Be the most fun parent.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be the one that shows up and
Speaker 5: somehow weasels my way into the classroom in the middle
Speaker 5: of the day.
Speaker 2: Nathan's a good death. He's been really figuring it out.
Speaker 2: I like his I've really been enjoying his storyline the
Speaker 2: last couple of seasons. The way he's just he's the
Speaker 2: most steady climber, you know, Like I think Brooke makes
Speaker 2: huge strides too, but there are more leaps and it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't play video games, but whatever, the
Speaker 2: one is where you're like jumping from mushroom to mushroom like.
Speaker 1: Mario.
Speaker 3: She gets the peaks and valleys. Nathan's really like on
Speaker 3: the staircase.
Speaker 2: He's a steady climber. It's a small increments, it's habitual change,
Speaker 2: one small step after another. I just love watching him grow.
Speaker 3: He's all grown up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you guys are so hot together, like Haley
Speaker 1: going back to I'm gonna punch you in your face
Speaker 1: junior year or senior year in high school. Haley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: while it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Happen in real life, you guys, moms are much more
Speaker 5: passive aggressive at the pickup line or drop off line.
Speaker 5: I like seeing Haley, you know, fight, Like, who'd you fight?
Speaker 5: Didn't you fight Greenberg's ex?
Speaker 1: Get that check?
Speaker 3: Was it amazing?
Speaker 1: I think it's Daniil.
Speaker 3: Did I fight Nikky?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I fought Nikky, But did you also fight Niki? Now
Speaker 2: you know there was somebody else? There was some other girls.
Speaker 2: She was only in it for an episode. It wasn't Nikki,
Speaker 2: but she did have black hair I can't remember. And
Speaker 2: then I also like hit I slapped Rachel. I mean,
Speaker 2: Hailey's definitely just.
Speaker 3: Not or Danil got slapped by everyone.
Speaker 2: She does not have a handle on her physical aggression.
Speaker 2: But this one escalated rather quickly because yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I thought Haley was I thought the first thing that
Speaker 2: mom said, I think it's better if we let them
Speaker 2: work it out themselves. Actually was like, you know, that's
Speaker 2: that's reasonable. I probably would do the same thing. I
Speaker 2: don't know that I would want to get involved yet.
Speaker 2: But then she just started hitting below the belt and
Speaker 2: super nasty.
Speaker 1: I was like, this just did not.
Speaker 2: Go where I thought it was gonna go. And I
Speaker 2: really didn't remember doing this scene, so I just never
Speaker 2: tackling this in front of the church. No, totally surprised.
Speaker 2: It shocked me, but also like that.
Speaker 5: Would happen, and it would like that Jamie would just
Speaker 5: go to school like normal. Yeah, like that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: This preschool or kindergarten, whatever the hell it is, needs
Speaker 5: new administration because people are just walking into that bow walk.
Speaker 5: Kids are getting kidnapped. This joint.
Speaker 2: That was something from the last episode I don't think
Speaker 2: I ever brought up, which was the fact that Dan
Speaker 2: just picks Jamie up after school and they go off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, does he this kid not know yet that
Speaker 2: he can't just go home with anybody that shows up
Speaker 2: at school. It's like, I'm here to take you home today.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, Dan, I just loved him.
Speaker 5: Hold on, you should tease him about his alcoholic mother.
Speaker 5: Scottmen are inherently better.
Speaker 2: Yes, and school was never my strong suit either, good thing,
Speaker 2: we're both handsome.
Speaker 3: Just every wrong thing.
Speaker 1: That's it. These writers they understood Dan.
Speaker 5: My guys, there's gonna be a gold star that goes
Speaker 5: toward Dan waiting out front and seeing the mother and saying,
Speaker 5: oh sorry, I'd love to join you for your morning drink.
Speaker 5: But I'm late for a meeting with my parole officer. Murder,
Speaker 5: Murder the Windows. They understood that assignment. They understood the
Speaker 5: dan of it all.
Speaker 3: It's really nice to see Paul having so much fun.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting I'm realizing as we're talking about it
Speaker 3: that even though their storyline is so fractured, you can
Speaker 3: tell how much fun James is having in all these scenes,
Speaker 3: and you can tell how much fun Paul is having
Speaker 3: in these scenes. And there's something really sweet about these
Speaker 3: two men. Granted, you know, Nathan in the storyline is
Speaker 3: really breaking those familial curses, but they're really having fun
Speaker 3: as a dad and a grandfather and it's just nice,
Speaker 3: like they've been through so much heavy shit and they're
Speaker 3: both having a great time and it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe scott men are inherent inherently better like
Speaker 1: the shoe Hits. It sure looks like it.
Speaker 2: On that slam ball court, I'm so impressed with James's heat.
Speaker 2: Takes an assignment and just goes full on, throws himself
Speaker 2: fully into it. He was having so much fun and
Speaker 2: I remember him practicing all the time and learning everything,
Speaker 2: and the boys were having a ball with that court
Speaker 2: on stage or on our lot.
Speaker 3: It was sort of like grown up recess. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: like we don't get recess. And when you're shooting a
Speaker 3: TV show for our friends at home, you're at work,
Speaker 3: like you know, there's a two hour pre call and
Speaker 3: you do like a twelve to fourteen hour shooting day.
Speaker 3: So especially for the girls, were there like sixteen plus hours.
Speaker 3: The closest you get to recess is like, I have
Speaker 3: to pee now, and you run across the sound stages
Speaker 3: and then on back because you don't want camera to
Speaker 3: have to wait for you. And suddenly there was this
Speaker 3: court and you could like it's like in a movie
Speaker 3: where you know, somebody opens a door and then suddenly
Speaker 3: they're in the snow somewhere. Not their backyard Narnia.
Speaker 1: It was very.
Speaker 3: Narnia and you could just walk through this door.
Speaker 2: And we had a playground slam Ball Narnia.
Speaker 3: So it turned out into like, well, it's gonna take
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes to relight, and people would just run and
Speaker 3: jump on trampolines.
Speaker 5: I loved that James should be a hot mister Tumnus,
Speaker 5: like with those goat legs, no shirt coat legs.
Speaker 1: I don't really would how that ties into this episode,
Speaker 1: But it's throwing everything else at the wall.
Speaker 3: So why not You're you're having an image and now
Speaker 3: you want to run with.
Speaker 1: That Narnia goat legs on the trapoline. Oh my god, Kish,
Speaker 1: But yeah, your whole.
Speaker 5: Storyline seeing how he gets that little twinkle in his
Speaker 5: eye when Haley gets worked up is fun to watch because.
Speaker 1: It's as much as like all the storyline has been.
Speaker 5: Like, Haley, you saved him, You saved him. He he
Speaker 5: helped her come out of her shell too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's rescuing her too, just as much.
Speaker 3: Well, it's nice to see all the little bits of
Speaker 3: spice in this episode feel fun. And when he starts
Speaker 3: to kind of poke at you about how you lost
Speaker 3: it and then you guys wind up making out in
Speaker 3: the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Like super cute.
Speaker 3: He's like he's into spicy Haley and it's fun. I'm
Speaker 3: into you two in this.
Speaker 2: I mean, she was like putting out fires, she was
Speaker 2: being supportive wife, she was being a bulldog with this lady.
Speaker 2: She was trying to build her own dream. Oh Grace Potter,
Speaker 2: it was so fabulous. Wow, God, her voice is amazing.
Speaker 2: She was so fun to have.
Speaker 3: Do you guys, remember how like giddy we all were
Speaker 3: when she was coming and we were like, how are
Speaker 3: we going to talk to her? How are we going
Speaker 3: to make her a friend? Should we invite her out?
Speaker 3: Is that desperate? Maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we should wait.
Speaker 3: Like the excitement that we were going to get to
Speaker 3: hang out with her was so palpable. And then I
Speaker 3: don't know, we weren't there for that scene. That series
Speaker 3: of scenes you guys did. I was like, the first
Speaker 3: episode we see her, she's like.
Speaker 1: Busky, Yeah, Race Potter.
Speaker 3: It was so funny to me, but it worked. You guys,
Speaker 3: you made this thing that that getting back to playing
Speaker 3: music for fun? It really it worked. Do you remember
Speaker 3: doing that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How'd you beat the crowd off?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's another I just meant like, how did
Speaker 1: you push? Like, well, boy, it's a Saturday, you guys were.
Speaker 2: You needed a very large stick?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, But like for all the fans that at this
Speaker 5: point were in season six, they would gather, but you
Speaker 5: had to make it look like a natural crowd instead
Speaker 5: of a swarm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it they the people who are gonna be
Speaker 2: on camera had to sign a waiver and all, you know,
Speaker 2: you can't just put anybody on camera, but they did
Speaker 2: put up signs that were like, if you're walking through here,
Speaker 2: you may be recorded. But yeah, we did kind of
Speaker 2: draw a crowd.
Speaker 1: It was fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that a lot of people
Speaker 2: who were just wandering downtown Wilmington knew who Grace Potter
Speaker 2: was unless they had promoted it. But it was kind
Speaker 2: of before social media was a thing, so I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was happening, but I do
Speaker 2: remember working with Grace and going into the studio and
Speaker 2: music was a big part of my life at that
Speaker 2: moment in time, and so that was really fun to
Speaker 2: work with somebody who was so talented and experienced, and
Speaker 2: I really admired her songwriting ability and her There was
Speaker 2: something that she does with her voice that's just so
Speaker 2: Joss Stone does the same thing. It's just raw. She
Speaker 2: just kind of opens up and the sound is a
Speaker 2: guttural sound. It's not like a trained thing, and it's
Speaker 2: something that as someone who grew up doing a lot
Speaker 2: of theater, I've always wanted to be able to do that,
Speaker 2: and it's a scary thing to just it's the same
Speaker 2: feeling as screaming but you just know how to shape
Speaker 2: the sound, and it's not a thing that you hear
Speaker 2: on stage very often unless you're Adam Pascal, and so
Speaker 2: I think it was really it was really fun to
Speaker 2: be able to watch her in real time do that
Speaker 2: and inspired me. But we had fun on set and
Speaker 2: she was super cool and we got to record a
Speaker 2: song together. I had like a song on the It
Speaker 2: wasn't on the radio, but it was on whatever wherever
Speaker 2: people were buying it was our soundtrack, right, did they?
Speaker 3: Is that what?
Speaker 5: It was?
Speaker 3: CD's soundtrack? iTunes? All that iTunes was a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she was a class act. She's cool girl.
Speaker 1: Did you guys ever listen to the Penguin the radio
Speaker 1: station in Wilmington?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was like the Ink Jack
Speaker 2: FM kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was really like.
Speaker 5: Like Michael Frontie and like they were playing Sharon Jones
Speaker 5: and the Dap Kings, like they were playing stuff that
Speaker 5: wasn't Top forty. It was kind of more like college
Speaker 5: alt rock, you know, alternative radio. And that's where I
Speaker 5: heard her for the first time, that Toothbrush My Table
Speaker 5: song that she had come out just right before she
Speaker 5: came out here, and.
Speaker 1: It was like Holy shit, that girl's coming.
Speaker 5: And Beth Crookham, who worked on our show, knew how
Speaker 5: to get her to come out. She made friends with
Speaker 5: her manager and was like, Oh, we're going to have
Speaker 5: drinks at this bar in town after work if you
Speaker 5: guys want to come. I was like, Beck, you're a genius. Yea,
Speaker 5: And so we ended up going out with them. What
Speaker 5: was the name of that place? It was over by
Speaker 5: Karen's Cafe. It was right around the corner from Karen's Cafe.
Speaker 5: It was like a restaurant Martine Manna. Maybe yeah, was
Speaker 5: it one upstairs?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, not at no, but it was.
Speaker 5: I I remember exactly what you're talking about about being
Speaker 5: like thrilled that this person that we were listening to
Speaker 5: on the.
Speaker 1: Radio, but like, and she was so legit. She had
Speaker 1: so much street cred. But I didn't realize that y'all
Speaker 1: were sa in the song from Tangled.
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1: Was that Entangled?
Speaker 2: It was also in so much play. She doesn't sing
Speaker 2: it as Rapunzel, but I think it is the ending song,
Speaker 2: like the end credit songs. Yeah, but it also was
Speaker 2: in Confessions of a Shoppaholic, the Isle of Fisher movie
Speaker 2: Really and then it was somewhere else too, like her
Speaker 2: music manager got that song everywhere. Oh, it's trending on
Speaker 2: TikTok right now. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: Apparently she's alleged just got news. We need to do
Speaker 2: a little video for that.
Speaker 1: She was a good little actor too. Why didn't we
Speaker 1: keep her around?
Speaker 3: I think she left our show to go out on tour.
Speaker 2: Can we also talk about Ashley Recards in this in
Speaker 2: this episode because she's so talented. That scene in the
Speaker 2: diner could have gone so many different ways. She really
Speaker 2: nailed it. I feel like she didn't even need any direction.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, you know, I liked Greg's
Speaker 2: instinct as a director emotionally most of the time, but
Speaker 2: she just had it. She had the instinct. I really
Speaker 2: really enjoyed her choices me too.
Speaker 3: It was so fun to work opposite her, and it
Speaker 3: really you know, we're in this sort of season of
Speaker 3: Brooks development where she's figuring out what she wants as
Speaker 3: a person. It doesn't have to be about anyone else,
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be about a partner. And this
Speaker 3: independence and this desire to be a parent that she
Speaker 3: finds was so sweet to explore with Angie, but like,
Speaker 3: you know how hard it is to act with babies,
Speaker 3: like you're just managing a being and trying to keep
Speaker 3: them from crying and you know, deal with diapers and whatever.
Speaker 3: So to for me, it felt really special to get
Speaker 3: more of that, of this exploration of identity with someone
Speaker 3: I could act with and see myself in. And I
Speaker 3: think they did such a good job. And Haley points
Speaker 3: it out so often in crafting these similarities between brook
Speaker 3: and Sam. They come from very different circumstances, but they
Speaker 3: have similar reactions to their versions of abandonment.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Brooks used to people giving up on her all the
Speaker 2: time too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to do that with someone it's so intimate,
Speaker 3: And I love when women get the opportunity to have,
Speaker 3: especially on shows like ours, intimacy that isn't about like
Speaker 3: but I love him, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah helped me deal with this male problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just was really I don't know. I remember
Speaker 3: watching the episode gave me this sort of feeling of
Speaker 3: refreshment and nostalgia, and I remember how cool it felt then.
Speaker 3: I remember how much fun I had working with Ashley,
Speaker 3: and it's special to really enjoy it now like that
Speaker 3: feeling has lasted across you know, more than a decade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's so raw in her performance. Like a lot
Speaker 5: of the time with young actors, child actors, you know,
Speaker 5: they learned their lines with their mom or their dad,
Speaker 5: and they develop ticks right where it's like, this is
Speaker 5: my bag of tricks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the parent is telling them how to perform
Speaker 2: the line, the parent who is not an actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always a wink in it, you know.
Speaker 5: And it it felt so real her reveal that that's
Speaker 5: my mom over there. And I love that they had
Speaker 5: the mom looking super happy. Yeah right, she wasn't some
Speaker 5: destitute woman. She was a perfectly happy, functional person that
Speaker 5: just didn't want her and that.
Speaker 1: Hurts so much worse. Yeah, And that was when the
Speaker 1: episode ended.
Speaker 5: Gus was like, that was the best part of the
Speaker 5: episode for him as like a teenage viewer. He loved
Speaker 5: that and he really connected with that character and was like,
Speaker 5: that girl so good, she's so good.
Speaker 1: She's my honorable mention in this episode.
Speaker 3: Mind too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has a way of I agree with you,
Speaker 2: there is there does tend to be a wink with
Speaker 2: a lot of performance, especially in an episode where there's
Speaker 2: a lot of comedy. It's really easy to just kind
Speaker 2: of keep everything light and.
Speaker 1: Like the Disney Nickelodeons.
Speaker 2: Yes, I could have done it like a little petulant
Speaker 2: and just you know, it's fine. I used to people
Speaker 2: giving up on me and tough. And when I watch her,
Speaker 2: I'm instantly watching a film, I'm watching a show on HBO.
Speaker 2: She is Her performance translates. It doesn't matter what format
Speaker 2: she's in. I think a lot of people, as actors,
Speaker 2: come into shows and you try and fit the show
Speaker 2: that you're on, like, oh, is it a comedy, is it?
Speaker 2: Is it like a really dark and tense drama. Is
Speaker 2: it is it a teen soap? Is it a real soap?
Speaker 2: Any of those things? But her performance just translates all
Speaker 2: of it. It's like you could put her in a huge,
Speaker 2: big budget studio movie with that performance, and you can
Speaker 2: put her in a sitcom, and you can put her
Speaker 2: in one Tree Hill and it all works no matter where,
Speaker 2: which I think is the mark of a really good performer.
Speaker 1: She was cute. I like that kid.
Speaker 2: But my honorable mention goes to the color red, which
Speaker 2: was finally introduced to tree Hill in this episode.
Speaker 3: Did anyone notice everywhere?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What was that I don't know, somebody just decided, like,
Speaker 2: we're done with purple and now everything will be red.
Speaker 3: It also made me giggle that when Peyton and Lucas
Speaker 3: get into Karen's room, it's like red and gold and
Speaker 3: satin and candles everywhere. I was like, are y'all on
Speaker 3: True Blood? Suddenly? Like you looked like you were in
Speaker 3: a vampire's layer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it was so far.
Speaker 5: That was the stuff that took me out of the
Speaker 5: episode because it just everything just felt a little disjointed.
Speaker 5: So it was lots of delicious Morsel, but it was
Speaker 5: like mixing Hershey kisses with I don't know, costard delicious
Speaker 5: each on their own.
Speaker 3: With that together's not so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't love it.
Speaker 5: However, there was another thing in the department that really
Speaker 5: weirded me out. Did anyone notice that at the end
Speaker 5: of the episode, where Peyton and Lucas are in the
Speaker 5: kitchen and they're finally like pulling off all the tape
Speaker 5: and they're kissing that on the refrigerator, there is a
Speaker 5: picture that Psycho Derek took to Peyton in her all
Speaker 5: over her bed and the cheery uniform don and it's
Speaker 5: used as set dressing in the house.
Speaker 3: What okay, hold on, you just called that out. And
Speaker 3: I remember last week there's something we didn't talk about,
Speaker 3: and something is going on with set dressing in this
Speaker 3: season because the Psychoederic picture is in six oh seven,
Speaker 3: and in six oh six that mirror that I hated
Speaker 3: the most Brooks like assault with the words. Peyton changes
Speaker 3: the words for her, but the handwriting is the same,
Speaker 3: Like the same person did brooks handwriting and Peyton's handwriting.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you guys, come on.
Speaker 2: Did they not know by now that our fans were
Speaker 2: real and present paying attention.
Speaker 5: They're detectives, You guys are detectives.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, are there so many sets to
Speaker 3: manage and six seasons in? Are there so many pictures
Speaker 3: of us that people are forgetting that? Like some of
Speaker 3: those pictures were taken by people who went to prison
Speaker 3: for assaulting the people. The pictures are.
Speaker 1: Out like you really should have been in a file.
Speaker 3: I got to be a different photo. Why is it
Speaker 3: in a photo of Peyton.
Speaker 2: And Lucas And like, no, yeah, I just had a
Speaker 2: new department head or some new people came in or something.
Speaker 2: Because the callers were different like everything started to shift
Speaker 2: and look a little bit different. So maybe, but it
Speaker 2: still should have been in a file. That blows my
Speaker 2: mind that that photo was on the show. I did
Speaker 2: not catch that.
Speaker 1: Right over their shoulder as they're kissing.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's right behind you. It's like a haunting. I
Speaker 3: didn't like it old in the corner.
Speaker 5: The last time Bayden was on How's Arrest was which
Speaker 5: she was held hostage?
Speaker 1: Uh, cru crust. Can we discuss the freeze frame on Jamie?
Speaker 3: Why did they do that?
Speaker 5: Why? Why?
Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever done a freeze frame? Have we?
Speaker 3: Also, the kids walk into camera, he's doing a whole
Speaker 3: walk toward the lens. Why not just let him walk
Speaker 3: into camera and fade to black the freeze frame? That
Speaker 3: is like nineteen ninety two, like the TV version of
Speaker 3: Missus Doubtfire.
Speaker 1: What are we doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should have been like you know, and they
Speaker 2: do the.
Speaker 5: Little oh like the leading reading rainbow logo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh, the text goes over his head.
Speaker 3: Honestly, if they would have done that, it would have
Speaker 3: at least been like a shtick. This was just so weird.
Speaker 5: Just making choices, you know, sometimes you just want to
Speaker 5: make some choices as an artist, and this was one
Speaker 5: we don't do like call.
Speaker 3: Ins on our show, but this is a moment where
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wish the phone would rang and Greg
Speaker 3: Praine would be on the other end and we'd be like,
Speaker 3: tell us, who made you do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Watch they ran out of footage?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I bet that that's what happened.
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 2: They ran out of footage like somebody said cut too early,
Speaker 2: or somebody walked in front of the frame, or just
Speaker 2: something happened and they didn't have enough. They just didn't
Speaker 2: have enough camera runway. I think that has to be
Speaker 2: it right.
Speaker 5: And our fan base was so consistent, like we had
Speaker 5: the two million views every week that they were like, listen,
Speaker 5: they're not going anywhere. Make it a freeze. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: it's not going to piss anyone off. We didn't talk
Speaker 5: about mouth and Millie, you guys, they.
Speaker 3: Were so sweet and again to see people having fun,
Speaker 3: I know, I keep coming back to that word. But
Speaker 3: when she wakes up, especially because the episode opens on
Speaker 3: Peyton being the episode opens on Peyton dreaming and the
Speaker 3: cage and the thing, and you're like, wait, what's going on?
Speaker 3: And then she wakes up, Milly waking up not understanding
Speaker 3: quite where she is, like what state she's in, what's happening,
Speaker 3: and then realizing he's home. It pierced to my heart
Speaker 3: in the sweetest way. I love watching these two together.
Speaker 3: I love watching them be romantic and laugh and their
Speaker 3: chemistry is so good. Yeah, they're just the best.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about her future storyline of becoming a
Speaker 2: cocaine addict.
Speaker 1: What the boy stop? Stop?
Speaker 2: And I'm just this sweet face and their sweet relationship
Speaker 2: and what a solid person she is. And I'm like
Speaker 2: on one planet to someone who is so who was
Speaker 2: such a solid character, like a like a moral character.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, or you know, you know, how
Speaker 2: does she become? How does she get there? It just
Speaker 2: seemed it pissed me off in advance because it just
Speaker 2: seems so unreasonable.
Speaker 1: You should kid, yeah, real little Yeah, it's gonna get you.
Speaker 3: That fashion industry, it'll get you.
Speaker 5: Oh, she has no idea, there's this little vixen at work.
Speaker 1: Lee played that well, did I tell you about my girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Did I tell you about my girlfriend? My girlfriend?
Speaker 3: My girlfriend's the reason I'm so healthy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Did I mention.
Speaker 2: Love that he came back and they offered him the
Speaker 2: job too, before he could even ask for it. Fun Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's nice to see Lee have some screen time. He
Speaker 2: just brightens my whenever he's on camera.
Speaker 5: I like that he's doing well at work. I like
Speaker 5: that he's being appreciated. I want to talk about Haley's
Speaker 5: work schedule because I loved, loved the haikup.
Speaker 1: I loved that scene were storming in taking the wallet.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 5: But the hikup came so fast and it was so clever,
Speaker 5: and it was delivered so well. I loved the hikup,
Speaker 5: and I was like, is she only teaching one period
Speaker 5: a day? Because in our timeline she's like at home
Speaker 5: in the middle of a day.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's just too good of a teacher to waste
Speaker 1: on one kicks.
Speaker 2: Making capes ten capes in an hour.
Speaker 1: Hailey doesn't have a job except one.
Speaker 3: Class, except she does. It's so confusing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan happens to be everywhere all at once. Also somehow,
Speaker 2: so it does Dan. We're you know, we're all the time.
Speaker 2: What difference is what is time? What is time?
Speaker 5: Do people have you write that haikup out? I feel
Speaker 5: like that's like a little tree hill SoundBite that I've
Speaker 5: heard over and over again.
Speaker 2: No, I actually completely forgot about it.
Speaker 1: I wish I was that sharp.
Speaker 2: I wish I had that kind of sense of humor,
Speaker 2: like really quick, you have that hill like really quick.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 1: There's too many syllables to figure out. No, that's why
Speaker 1: I was dazzled by it. I was like, this is incredible.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, we have a fan question from Grace. She says,
Speaker 2: have you ever noticed that Brook and Sam have a
Speaker 2: similar moment like Karen and Brooke when Brooke moved into
Speaker 2: Lucas's room, do you think Brooke is channeling what she
Speaker 2: wishes was done for her when trying to parent Sam.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think that's sort of what we were talking
Speaker 3: about earlier, right, that they come from different sets of circumstances,
Speaker 3: but they both struggle with this feeling of not enoughness,
Speaker 3: for not being wanted, from being easy to leave by
Speaker 3: their parents. Yeah, and having Karen show up for Brook
Speaker 3: in high school really shifted her self worth and I
Speaker 3: think that's part of the reason that Brook and Hayley
Speaker 3: talks so much about how Brook and Sam are similar.
Speaker 3: How you know you'll say to me, I think you
Speaker 3: can get through to her, and I like that Brooke
Speaker 3: keeps trying that they can have these serious conversations, that
Speaker 3: she can try and fail in a moment like she
Speaker 3: does in the cafe when Sam says, that's my mom,
Speaker 3: and she has no idea what to say. How could you?
Speaker 3: You don't know how to be prepared. This isn't actually yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not actually your teenager. You don't know this kid
Speaker 3: very well. But she won't give up, and she figures
Speaker 3: it out. And so she goes, Okay, if this wild
Speaker 3: child keeps leaving my home in the middle of the
Speaker 3: night and goes and sleeps in this car, I don't
Speaker 3: understand why, but I'll just meet her there. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: how I'll show up. Yeah, you know. She figures out
Speaker 3: how to show up for someone who doesn't know how
Speaker 3: to ask for what she needs and who has no
Speaker 3: practice with people showing up for them, and offers a
Speaker 3: new way forward. And that's what Karen did for her.
Speaker 3: Karen offered her a home so she could stay in
Speaker 3: her community with her people, yea, you know, finish high
Speaker 3: school her way.
Speaker 2: And offered her boundaries as well, and not in a
Speaker 2: way that was containing. It was actually creating more freedom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you say it. Kids need structure, kids need it,
Speaker 3: but we need it even as adults. And there's this
Speaker 3: way I think that we're starting to see Brooke figure
Speaker 3: out how to show up for Sam and help raise Sam.
Speaker 3: Also in a way helps Brook raise herself.
Speaker 1: Oh, the reparenting is bananas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, bananas, because you realize all the stuff that you
Speaker 5: were told as a kid was too hard. Like the
Speaker 5: excuse is you heard from grown ups like this is
Speaker 5: too hard. Then you do it and you realize, no,
Speaker 5: it's not. This is actually like a joy to be
Speaker 5: this child's confidant. This is a joy to be this
Speaker 5: child's security. And it's reparenting yourself while you try, you know,
Speaker 5: to be dependable for these little animals. And I like
Speaker 5: seeing modeled behavior. I think that's really important with kids,
Speaker 5: and so you see Nathan doing it in this episode.
Speaker 5: The drunk mom is the one that's like, let them
Speaker 5: sort it out on their own. But the problem is
Speaker 5: a kid that's never seen it, doesn't know what it
Speaker 5: looks like, so they can't sort it out.
Speaker 1: On their own.
Speaker 5: So both Brooke and Nathan are modeling the behavior that
Speaker 5: they wished for, and it's you know, it's effective on
Speaker 5: the kids that they're dealing with.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's a great point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, kids can't sort it out on their own. Did
Speaker 5: people not watch the first four seasons of our show?
Speaker 3: They're not reliable at all.
Speaker 2: That is one of the hardest parts of parenting, I find,
Speaker 2: because I always felt like I was given so much
Speaker 2: as so many answers every time I had a problem.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, here's here's exactly what you should do.
Speaker 2: And it kind of eventually I started figuring out that
Speaker 2: as nice as it was, you know, well intentioned, but
Speaker 2: parents aren't in our classrooms with us. They're not engaged
Speaker 2: with the students and the people that we are in
Speaker 2: the same way at that age, and the advice didn't
Speaker 2: always work. Almost hardly ever did it work. And I
Speaker 2: had to figure out my own way of doing it.
Speaker 2: And there was something about like the autonomy of that
Speaker 2: that I do. I try and give Maria that, like,
Speaker 2: I'm here, I have ideas if you, if you want
Speaker 2: my opinion, I'm happy to give that to you. And
Speaker 2: of course there's safety issues and things, you know, some
Speaker 2: things there's there's always like a progression of where the
Speaker 2: line is for that, but I think it's important for
Speaker 2: kids to be able to have the space to experiment
Speaker 2: with trying to figure things out and fail. They have
Speaker 2: to try it and fail. And if you don't ever
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to fail, I don't know how you
Speaker 2: develop your character. I don't know how you. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you learn because then and then it then
Speaker 2: it affects your confidence and your ability to decision make.
Speaker 1: Because I love you.
Speaker 5: Sad got this one boundary breakfast at seven and just
Speaker 5: found the exact work around.
Speaker 1: She did, I'm following the rule. Brilliant.
Speaker 3: You weren't specific enough.
Speaker 1: So good.
Speaker 2: That's such a teenage thing to do too.
Speaker 3: It's perfect.
Speaker 1: Let's been a while because Sophia's got to go, I do.
Speaker 3: I got to jump.
Speaker 1: We don't have a hell of a day today.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a great Saturday.
Speaker 1: He didn't chew it.
Speaker 2: Oh lord, Oh this is a good one.
Speaker 3: Who is most likely to say I love you to
Speaker 3: a one night stand?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Girls, Oh boy.
Speaker 1: Ah, it's me. It's me.
Speaker 5: I did, And now I have a thirteen year old
Speaker 5: and yea shit worked by the way he said it first,
Speaker 5: so said a first.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's me. I love love. I love love so hard.
Speaker 3: I love you admitting that about yourself, and it makes
Speaker 3: me giggle because I realized that the first person who
Speaker 3: came to mind when we read the question for me
Speaker 3: was Bevin, but not like actual Bevin, like Bevin's character character,
Speaker 3: because I could immediately see the scene and someone being
Speaker 3: like thank you, No, like just bere comedict gold.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I love that the real I love that, the
Speaker 3: real life version of that led to all of this
Speaker 3: for you. That's just it's great, best thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 5: I loved that big oh right away. I also love
Speaker 5: being impulsive, and I'm stubborn enough to commit to my impulsiveness.
Speaker 1: Love it. Hey, what do we have next episode? What happens? Next?
Speaker 2: Season six, episode eight? Our life is not a movie?
Speaker 2: Or maybe I don't think I know what that means,
Speaker 2: but I don't either into it.
Speaker 1: It sounds dramatic, all right, it's.
Speaker 2: Not a movie or maybe maybe Okay.
Speaker 5: All right, thanks for joining us, Scott, Thanks everybody, Well, hey,
Speaker 5: thanks for listening.
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