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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them.

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Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride.

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Speaker 2: And our comic girl cheering for the right teams.

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Speaker 3: Drama Queens Girl Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you

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Speaker 3: could sit with us.

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Speaker 4: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 5: You guys, Season six, Episode six, Messing with the Kid.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Some of us think it was awesome. Some of us

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Speaker 5: think it was a dumpster fire. But we were gonna

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Speaker 5: find middle ground because there was some cute in this

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Speaker 5: episode from October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Ready to Go,

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Speaker 5: Would you guys?

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Speaker 1: Love and hate?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I liked this episode.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised you said you didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 5: I like parts of it, but this is my overall

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Speaker 5: and the fans. I have seen your feedback. I know

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Speaker 5: you don't like it when I pick on things. However,

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Speaker 5: as a professional who watch this episode with her thirteen

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Speaker 5: year old child, what I will say is that it

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Speaker 5: felt like each actor only had one day available and

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Speaker 5: everything was like the same blocking, the same set, like

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Speaker 5: the same thing over and over again, and the dialogue

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Speaker 5: was all a reminder of old basic shit that we

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Speaker 5: already know, Like like there's a conversation in particular between

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Speaker 5: Haley and Brook where it's like, you're the strongest person

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Speaker 5: I know because ABCD, You're the strongest person I know

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Speaker 5: because ABC. And I was just like, what executive note

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Speaker 5: did we get from Warner Brothers where they were like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 5: nobody remembers anything from the previous five seasons.

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Speaker 1: Can you remind them all in one episode?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe they were focused more on the on

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Speaker 2: good one liners and stuff. So I'm wondering if maybe

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Speaker 2: they were just like, we just need a funny, light episode,

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Speaker 2: and so they gave it to Haro and Strauss and said,

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Speaker 1: Run.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I also get the sense like because the humor

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Speaker 3: and the equips and everything I really enjoyed. I thought

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Speaker 3: then the things that started to kind of turn into that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You guys are best friends? You? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Like it.

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Speaker 3: I liked the way the scene started and then I went, oh, wait,

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Speaker 3: are we just going to volley? The same compliment back

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Speaker 3: and forth, and it it felt to me like one

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Speaker 3: of those I don't know. The thing that it lit

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Speaker 3: Like I get that sense that maybe they're trying to

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Speaker 1: Did you just say lay pipe?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I meant late payment. It was. It

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Speaker 1: I was doing the road. Oh boy, that would have

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Speaker 3: It's really early and I had clearly not had this

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Speaker 1: Poor Lucas couldn't lay pipe this. Oh my god. I

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Speaker 1: loved it. Let's talk about your storyline. I loved it.

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Speaker 2: It was really nice. Here's what I have to say

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Speaker 2: about this. Because every relationship needs levity, it needs jokes,

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Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever seen Peyton belly laugh on

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Speaker 1: No never, that was the first time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, you can't have a relationship sustained on

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Speaker 2: the like, we have to know why they actually like

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Speaker 1: Saw it weird episode to watch with your son.

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Speaker 5: He just like Jeff's Jeff's in the city with George

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Speaker 5: Where you know, anything that's high stress in our household

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Speaker 5: It was it was cool to see him be like, oh,

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Speaker 5: this couple is a no brainer. He likes Lucas and

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Speaker 5: beginning of Peyton and Lucas this morning and can jump

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Speaker 5: It was a horrible And then to watch this episode

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Speaker 5: Maybe we didn't have the budget to do one of

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Speaker 5: into house Arrest. We're all just Sophia opened that door

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Speaker 1: Who's behind door number two?

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Speaker 5: The Brook Davis apartment door got a workout house arrest.

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Speaker 1: We've all been. We were all on house arrest for

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I really want to know because we're talking

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Speaker 3: about joy. You and I are talking about what we

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Speaker 3: enjoy about seeing Hillary and Chad like laugh together and

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Why don't you like that?

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Speaker 5: Yes, so the whole like shtick of I read an

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Speaker 1: And so we did work really hard.

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Speaker 5: To make it fun. And what I liked is that

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Speaker 1: It was like, no, the oh, he's good. Like each

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Speaker 5: War of the Roses was an opportunity to impress one

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Speaker 1: This episode that it was clear there was not a

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Speaker 3: Guys, sweet Kelsey coming back. The joy of seeing Gigi

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Speaker 3: and then having her be like, I'm just having lots

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Speaker 3: what eight year old boy wrote this? Yeah, like, women

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Speaker 2: Wowow, it was great seeing her face on the screen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody like looked good in this episode. Where did

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Lee had a tan. You had fresh highlights, Hill,

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Speaker 3: what a dreamy time in Wilmington. It's still hot enough

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Speaker 1: And the tourists are gone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, maybe this was one of those years where

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Speaker 1: I think so those were good times.

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Speaker 3: They were. And it's interesting because that that spirit of

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Speaker 3: so it's like so victorian and dumb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah Victorian, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, the woman has learned to read and now

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Speaker 3: she's on the fainting couch, Like, what is this going on? Stupid?

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Speaker 3: I hate it.

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Speaker 1: That's what irritated me. I couldn't articulate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's very pedantic, but I will say you

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Speaker 3: you guys infused play into it and Joy, you said it.

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Speaker 3: Watching Peyton Belly laugh is fun watching for me, remembering

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Speaker 3: That was always really fun for me. Joy. Even though

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Speaker 3: don't know, it is really nice. As silly as some

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Speaker 3: October twenty of two thousand and eight. Nathan and Haley

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Speaker 1: I liked it. But I think my favorite thing was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those little moments were so gold. My favorite line

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Speaker 1: I liked it.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was really fun. It was another sort

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching him make that turn. I enjoyed I honestly,

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Speaker 2: She absolutely does after all that, and then he just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stupid stupid. Gust didn't like it.

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Speaker 5: It didn't feel sincere to him because there was still

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think Gus wanted him to understand the

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Speaker 5: Does Really that's when you say I'm so fucking sorry,

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Speaker 3: Well, and this really that's so cool. And really what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they can't afford six eight, six o nine.

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Speaker 5: No need to draw it out because the audience just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, Like he has to do almost nothing,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just I'm over here now.

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Speaker 5: I loved this parenting. I loved this so hard I've

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Speaker 1: It was my favorite part.

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Speaker 3: It was just so sweet. And the fact that it

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Speaker 3: I was like, more of this man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, that's the kind of thing you want

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Speaker 5: I mean, especially because Dan Scott is fucking awesome.

446
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: In this episode every line.

447
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 5: I grew up with Dan scott parents, just so you know,

448
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 5: Like I had a bully in elementary school and used

449
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 5: to make me cry all the time. And my parents

450
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 5: were like, well, you know why they're a bully because

451
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 5: their dad's aing alcoholic that cheats on their mom. And

452
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 5: so they were like, so next time they come for you,

453
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 5: you just tell them that. Right.

454
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: This is like elementary school and.

455
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 5: Gosh, and it was cruel and unusual, and you grow

456
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 5: up and you learn empathy and you're like, oh Christ,

457
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 5: like what a nightmare?

458
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: Like why would anyone encourage this?

459
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 5: And so with my son, Gus gets bullied all the time,

460
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 5: and we have very different conversations about like the trickle

461
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 5: down effect of bullying and why it happens and how

462
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 5: to avoid it and how to remove yourself from those situations.

463
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 5: And so I loved that Nathan could have grown up

464
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 5: in this Dan Scott household and been like, we're not

465
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: going to repeat this cycle. We're going to get creative

466
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 5: instead and instead of being a threatening parent, I'm going to.

467
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: Be the most fun parent.

468
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 5: I'm going to be the one that shows up and

469
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 5: somehow weasels my way into the classroom in the middle

470
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 5: of the day.

471
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: Nathan's a good death. He's been really figuring it out.

472
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: I like his I've really been enjoying his storyline the

473
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: last couple of seasons. The way he's just he's the

474
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: most steady climber, you know, Like I think Brooke makes

475
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: huge strides too, but there are more leaps and it's like,

476
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't I don't play video games, but whatever, the

477
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: one is where you're like jumping from mushroom to mushroom like.

478
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: Mario.

479
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: She gets the peaks and valleys. Nathan's really like on

480
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: the staircase.

481
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: He's a steady climber. It's a small increments, it's habitual change,

482
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: one small step after another. I just love watching him grow.

483
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: He's all grown up.

484
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you guys are so hot together, like Haley

485
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: going back to I'm gonna punch you in your face

486
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: junior year or senior year in high school. Haley. Yeah,

487
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: while it doesn't.

488
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 5: Happen in real life, you guys, moms are much more

489
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 5: passive aggressive at the pickup line or drop off line.

490
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 5: I like seeing Haley, you know, fight, Like, who'd you fight?

491
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 5: Didn't you fight Greenberg's ex?

492
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: Get that check?

493
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: Was it amazing?

494
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: I think it's Daniil.

495
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: Did I fight Nikky?

496
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: No?

497
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: I fought Nikky, But did you also fight Niki? Now

498
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: you know there was somebody else? There was some other girls.

499
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: She was only in it for an episode. It wasn't Nikki,

500
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: but she did have black hair I can't remember. And

501
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: then I also like hit I slapped Rachel. I mean,

502
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: Hailey's definitely just.

503
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: Not or Danil got slapped by everyone.

504
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: She does not have a handle on her physical aggression.

505
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: But this one escalated rather quickly because yeah, I mean

506
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 2: I thought Haley was I thought the first thing that

507
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: mom said, I think it's better if we let them

508
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: work it out themselves. Actually was like, you know, that's

509
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: that's reasonable. I probably would do the same thing. I

510
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: don't know that I would want to get involved yet.

511
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: But then she just started hitting below the belt and

512
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: super nasty.

513
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: I was like, this just did not.

514
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: Go where I thought it was gonna go. And I

515
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: really didn't remember doing this scene, so I just never

516
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: tackling this in front of the church. No, totally surprised.

517
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: It shocked me, but also like that.

518
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 5: Would happen, and it would like that Jamie would just

519
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 5: go to school like normal. Yeah, like that's crazy.

520
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

521
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 5: This preschool or kindergarten, whatever the hell it is, needs

522
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 5: new administration because people are just walking into that bow walk.

523
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 5: Kids are getting kidnapped. This joint.

524
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: That was something from the last episode I don't think

525
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: I ever brought up, which was the fact that Dan

526
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: just picks Jamie up after school and they go off.

527
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 2: I'm like, does he this kid not know yet that

528
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: he can't just go home with anybody that shows up

529
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: at school. It's like, I'm here to take you home today.

530
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, Dan, I just loved him.

531
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 5: Hold on, you should tease him about his alcoholic mother.

532
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 5: Scottmen are inherently better.

533
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: Yes, and school was never my strong suit either, good thing,

534
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: we're both handsome.

535
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: Just every wrong thing.

536
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: That's it. These writers they understood Dan.

537
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: My guys, there's gonna be a gold star that goes

538
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: toward Dan waiting out front and seeing the mother and saying,

539
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 5: oh sorry, I'd love to join you for your morning drink.

540
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 5: But I'm late for a meeting with my parole officer. Murder,

541
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 5: Murder the Windows. They understood that assignment. They understood the

542
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 5: dan of it all.

543
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: It's really nice to see Paul having so much fun.

544
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: And it's interesting I'm realizing as we're talking about it

545
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: that even though their storyline is so fractured, you can

546
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: tell how much fun James is having in all these scenes,

547
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: and you can tell how much fun Paul is having

548
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: in these scenes. And there's something really sweet about these

549
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: two men. Granted, you know, Nathan in the storyline is

550
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: really breaking those familial curses, but they're really having fun

551
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: as a dad and a grandfather and it's just nice,

552
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: like they've been through so much heavy shit and they're

553
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: both having a great time and it's fun to watch.

554
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe scott men are inherent inherently better like

555
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: the shoe Hits. It sure looks like it.

556
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: On that slam ball court, I'm so impressed with James's heat.

557
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: Takes an assignment and just goes full on, throws himself

558
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: fully into it. He was having so much fun and

559
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: I remember him practicing all the time and learning everything,

560
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: and the boys were having a ball with that court

561
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: on stage or on our lot.

562
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: It was sort of like grown up recess. Yeah, you know,

563
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: like we don't get recess. And when you're shooting a

564
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: TV show for our friends at home, you're at work,

565
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: like you know, there's a two hour pre call and

566
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: you do like a twelve to fourteen hour shooting day.

567
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: So especially for the girls, were there like sixteen plus hours.

568
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: The closest you get to recess is like, I have

569
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: to pee now, and you run across the sound stages

570
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: and then on back because you don't want camera to

571
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: have to wait for you. And suddenly there was this

572
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: court and you could like it's like in a movie

573
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: where you know, somebody opens a door and then suddenly

574
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: they're in the snow somewhere. Not their backyard Narnia.

575
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: It was very.

576
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: Narnia and you could just walk through this door.

577
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: And we had a playground slam Ball Narnia.

578
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: So it turned out into like, well, it's gonna take

579
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes to relight, and people would just run and

580
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: jump on trampolines.

581
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 5: I loved that James should be a hot mister Tumnus,

582
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: like with those goat legs, no shirt coat legs.

583
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't really would how that ties into this episode,

584
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: But it's throwing everything else at the wall.

585
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: So why not You're you're having an image and now

586
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: you want to run with.

587
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: That Narnia goat legs on the trapoline. Oh my god, Kish,

588
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, your whole.

589
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 5: Storyline seeing how he gets that little twinkle in his

590
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 5: eye when Haley gets worked up is fun to watch because.

591
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: It's as much as like all the storyline has been.

592
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: Like, Haley, you saved him, You saved him. He he

593
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 5: helped her come out of her shell too.

594
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's rescuing her too, just as much.

595
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: Well, it's nice to see all the little bits of

596
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: spice in this episode feel fun. And when he starts

597
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: to kind of poke at you about how you lost

598
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: it and then you guys wind up making out in

599
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: the kitchen.

600
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: Like super cute.

601
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: He's like he's into spicy Haley and it's fun. I'm

602
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: into you two in this.

603
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean, she was like putting out fires, she was

604
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: being supportive wife, she was being a bulldog with this lady.

605
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: She was trying to build her own dream. Oh Grace Potter,

606
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: it was so fabulous. Wow, God, her voice is amazing.

607
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: She was so fun to have.

608
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: Do you guys, remember how like giddy we all were

609
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: when she was coming and we were like, how are

610
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: we going to talk to her? How are we going

611
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: to make her a friend? Should we invite her out?

612
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: Is that desperate? Maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we should wait.

613
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: Like the excitement that we were going to get to

614
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: hang out with her was so palpable. And then I

615
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: don't know, we weren't there for that scene. That series

616
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: of scenes you guys did. I was like, the first

617
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: episode we see her, she's like.

618
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Busky, Yeah, Race Potter.

619
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: It was so funny to me, but it worked. You guys,

620
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: you made this thing that that getting back to playing

621
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: music for fun? It really it worked. Do you remember

622
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: doing that?

623
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? How'd you beat the crowd off?

624
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

625
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's another I just meant like, how did

626
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: you push? Like, well, boy, it's a Saturday, you guys were.

627
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: You needed a very large stick?

628
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

629
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 5: No, But like for all the fans that at this

630
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 5: point were in season six, they would gather, but you

631
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 5: had to make it look like a natural crowd instead

632
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: of a swarm.

633
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it they the people who are gonna be

634
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: on camera had to sign a waiver and all, you know,

635
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: you can't just put anybody on camera, but they did

636
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: put up signs that were like, if you're walking through here,

637
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: you may be recorded. But yeah, we did kind of

638
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: draw a crowd.

639
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: It was fun.

640
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that a lot of people

641
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: who were just wandering downtown Wilmington knew who Grace Potter

642
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: was unless they had promoted it. But it was kind

643
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: of before social media was a thing, so I don't

644
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was happening, but I do

645
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: remember working with Grace and going into the studio and

646
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: music was a big part of my life at that

647
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: moment in time, and so that was really fun to

648
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: work with somebody who was so talented and experienced, and

649
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: I really admired her songwriting ability and her There was

650
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: something that she does with her voice that's just so

651
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: Joss Stone does the same thing. It's just raw. She

652
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: just kind of opens up and the sound is a

653
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: guttural sound. It's not like a trained thing, and it's

654
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: something that as someone who grew up doing a lot

655
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: of theater, I've always wanted to be able to do that,

656
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: and it's a scary thing to just it's the same

657
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: feeling as screaming but you just know how to shape

658
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: the sound, and it's not a thing that you hear

659
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: on stage very often unless you're Adam Pascal, and so

660
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: I think it was really it was really fun to

661
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: be able to watch her in real time do that

662
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: and inspired me. But we had fun on set and

663
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: she was super cool and we got to record a

664
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: song together. I had like a song on the It

665
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: wasn't on the radio, but it was on whatever wherever

666
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: people were buying it was our soundtrack, right, did they?

667
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: Is that what?

668
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 5: It was?

669
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: CD's soundtrack? iTunes? All that iTunes was a thing.

670
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she was a class act. She's cool girl.

671
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Did you guys ever listen to the Penguin the radio

672
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: station in Wilmington?

673
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was like the Ink Jack

674
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: FM kind of.

675
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

676
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: It was really like.

677
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 5: Like Michael Frontie and like they were playing Sharon Jones

678
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 5: and the Dap Kings, like they were playing stuff that

679
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 5: wasn't Top forty. It was kind of more like college

680
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: alt rock, you know, alternative radio. And that's where I

681
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 5: heard her for the first time, that Toothbrush My Table

682
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 5: song that she had come out just right before she

683
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 5: came out here, and.

684
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: It was like Holy shit, that girl's coming.

685
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 5: And Beth Crookham, who worked on our show, knew how

686
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 5: to get her to come out. She made friends with

687
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 5: her manager and was like, Oh, we're going to have

688
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 5: drinks at this bar in town after work if you

689
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 5: guys want to come. I was like, Beck, you're a genius. Yea,

690
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 5: And so we ended up going out with them. What

691
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 5: was the name of that place? It was over by

692
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 5: Karen's Cafe. It was right around the corner from Karen's Cafe.

693
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 5: It was like a restaurant Martine Manna. Maybe yeah, was

694
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 5: it one upstairs?

695
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: No?

696
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: No, not at no, but it was.

697
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 5: I I remember exactly what you're talking about about being

698
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 5: like thrilled that this person that we were listening to

699
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 5: on the.

700
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: Radio, but like, and she was so legit. She had

701
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: so much street cred. But I didn't realize that y'all

702
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: were sa in the song from Tangled.

703
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny.

704
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: Was that Entangled?

705
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: It was also in so much play. She doesn't sing

706
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: it as Rapunzel, but I think it is the ending song,

707
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: like the end credit songs. Yeah, but it also was

708
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: in Confessions of a Shoppaholic, the Isle of Fisher movie

709
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: Really and then it was somewhere else too, like her

710
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: music manager got that song everywhere. Oh, it's trending on

711
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: TikTok right now. That's so funny.

712
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Listen.

713
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: Apparently she's alleged just got news. We need to do

714
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: a little video for that.

715
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: She was a good little actor too. Why didn't we

716
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: keep her around?

717
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 3: I think she left our show to go out on tour.

718
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: Can we also talk about Ashley Recards in this in

719
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: this episode because she's so talented. That scene in the

720
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: diner could have gone so many different ways. She really

721
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: nailed it. I feel like she didn't even need any direction.

722
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, you know, I liked Greg's

723
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: instinct as a director emotionally most of the time, but

724
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: she just had it. She had the instinct. I really

725
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: really enjoyed her choices me too.

726
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: It was so fun to work opposite her, and it

727
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: really you know, we're in this sort of season of

728
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: Brooks development where she's figuring out what she wants as

729
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 3: a person. It doesn't have to be about anyone else,

730
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be about a partner. And this

731
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: independence and this desire to be a parent that she

732
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: finds was so sweet to explore with Angie, but like,

733
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: you know how hard it is to act with babies,

734
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: like you're just managing a being and trying to keep

735
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: them from crying and you know, deal with diapers and whatever.

736
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: So to for me, it felt really special to get

737
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 3: more of that, of this exploration of identity with someone

738
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: I could act with and see myself in. And I

739
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: think they did such a good job. And Haley points

740
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: it out so often in crafting these similarities between brook

741
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 3: and Sam. They come from very different circumstances, but they

742
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: have similar reactions to their versions of abandonment.

743
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

744
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: Brooks used to people giving up on her all the

745
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: time too.

746
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to do that with someone it's so intimate,

747
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: And I love when women get the opportunity to have,

748
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: especially on shows like ours, intimacy that isn't about like

749
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: but I love him, yeah.

750
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah helped me deal with this male problem.

751
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just was really I don't know. I remember

752
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: watching the episode gave me this sort of feeling of

753
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: refreshment and nostalgia, and I remember how cool it felt then.

754
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 3: I remember how much fun I had working with Ashley,

755
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: and it's special to really enjoy it now like that

756
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: feeling has lasted across you know, more than a decade.

757
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's so raw in her performance. Like a lot

758
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 5: of the time with young actors, child actors, you know,

759
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 5: they learned their lines with their mom or their dad,

760
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 5: and they develop ticks right where it's like, this is

761
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 5: my bag of tricks.

762
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the parent is telling them how to perform

763
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: the line, the parent who is not an actor.

764
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always a wink in it, you know.

765
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 5: And it it felt so real her reveal that that's

766
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 5: my mom over there. And I love that they had

767
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 5: the mom looking super happy. Yeah right, she wasn't some

768
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: destitute woman. She was a perfectly happy, functional person that

769
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 5: just didn't want her and that.

770
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Hurts so much worse. Yeah, And that was when the

771
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: episode ended.

772
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 5: Gus was like, that was the best part of the

773
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 5: episode for him as like a teenage viewer. He loved

774
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 5: that and he really connected with that character and was like,

775
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 5: that girl so good, she's so good.

776
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: She's my honorable mention in this episode.

777
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: Mind too.

778
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has a way of I agree with you,

779
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: there is there does tend to be a wink with

780
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: a lot of performance, especially in an episode where there's

781
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: a lot of comedy. It's really easy to just kind

782
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: of keep everything light and.

783
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: Like the Disney Nickelodeons.

784
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I could have done it like a little petulant

785
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: and just you know, it's fine. I used to people

786
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: giving up on me and tough. And when I watch her,

787
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: I'm instantly watching a film, I'm watching a show on HBO.

788
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: She is Her performance translates. It doesn't matter what format

789
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: she's in. I think a lot of people, as actors,

790
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: come into shows and you try and fit the show

791
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: that you're on, like, oh, is it a comedy, is it?

792
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: Is it like a really dark and tense drama. Is

793
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: it is it a teen soap? Is it a real soap?

794
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: Any of those things? But her performance just translates all

795
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: of it. It's like you could put her in a huge,

796
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: big budget studio movie with that performance, and you can

797
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: put her in a sitcom, and you can put her

798
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: in one Tree Hill and it all works no matter where,

799
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: which I think is the mark of a really good performer.

800
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: She was cute. I like that kid.

801
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: But my honorable mention goes to the color red, which

802
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: was finally introduced to tree Hill in this episode.

803
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: Did anyone notice everywhere?

804
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

805
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: What was that I don't know, somebody just decided, like,

806
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: we're done with purple and now everything will be red.

807
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: It also made me giggle that when Peyton and Lucas

808
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: get into Karen's room, it's like red and gold and

809
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: satin and candles everywhere. I was like, are y'all on

810
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: True Blood? Suddenly? Like you looked like you were in

811
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: a vampire's layer.

812
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it was so far.

813
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 5: That was the stuff that took me out of the

814
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: episode because it just everything just felt a little disjointed.

815
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 5: So it was lots of delicious Morsel, but it was

816
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 5: like mixing Hershey kisses with I don't know, costard delicious

817
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 5: each on their own.

818
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: With that together's not so much.

819
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't love it.

820
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 5: However, there was another thing in the department that really

821
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 5: weirded me out. Did anyone notice that at the end

822
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 5: of the episode, where Peyton and Lucas are in the

823
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 5: kitchen and they're finally like pulling off all the tape

824
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 5: and they're kissing that on the refrigerator, there is a

825
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 5: picture that Psycho Derek took to Peyton in her all

826
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 5: over her bed and the cheery uniform don and it's

827
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 5: used as set dressing in the house.

828
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: What okay, hold on, you just called that out. And

829
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: I remember last week there's something we didn't talk about,

830
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: and something is going on with set dressing in this

831
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: season because the Psychoederic picture is in six oh seven,

832
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: and in six oh six that mirror that I hated

833
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: the most Brooks like assault with the words. Peyton changes

834
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 3: the words for her, but the handwriting is the same,

835
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 3: Like the same person did brooks handwriting and Peyton's handwriting.

836
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: And I was like, you guys, come on.

837
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: Did they not know by now that our fans were

838
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: real and present paying attention.

839
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 5: They're detectives, You guys are detectives.

840
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, are there so many sets to

841
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: manage and six seasons in? Are there so many pictures

842
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: of us that people are forgetting that? Like some of

843
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: those pictures were taken by people who went to prison

844
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: for assaulting the people. The pictures are.

845
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: Out like you really should have been in a file.

846
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: I got to be a different photo. Why is it

847
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: in a photo of Peyton.

848
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: And Lucas And like, no, yeah, I just had a

849
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: new department head or some new people came in or something.

850
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: Because the callers were different like everything started to shift

851
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: and look a little bit different. So maybe, but it

852
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: still should have been in a file. That blows my

853
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: mind that that photo was on the show. I did

854
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: not catch that.

855
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: Right over their shoulder as they're kissing.

856
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: Yes, it's right behind you. It's like a haunting. I

857
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 3: didn't like it old in the corner.

858
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 5: The last time Bayden was on How's Arrest was which

859
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 5: she was held hostage?

860
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: Uh, cru crust. Can we discuss the freeze frame on Jamie?

861
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: Why did they do that?

862
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 5: Why? Why?

863
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever done a freeze frame? Have we?

864
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: Also, the kids walk into camera, he's doing a whole

865
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 3: walk toward the lens. Why not just let him walk

866
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: into camera and fade to black the freeze frame? That

867
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: is like nineteen ninety two, like the TV version of

868
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: Missus Doubtfire.

869
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: What are we doing?

870
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should have been like you know, and they

871
00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: do the.

872
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 5: Little oh like the leading reading rainbow logo.

873
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh, the text goes over his head.

874
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, if they would have done that, it would have

875
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: at least been like a shtick. This was just so weird.

876
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 5: Just making choices, you know, sometimes you just want to

877
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 5: make some choices as an artist, and this was one

878
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 5: we don't do like call.

879
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: Ins on our show, but this is a moment where

880
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wish the phone would rang and Greg

881
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: Praine would be on the other end and we'd be like,

882
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: tell us, who made you do that?

883
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: Yeah? Watch they ran out of footage?

884
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I bet that that's what happened.

885
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: They didn't.

886
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: They ran out of footage like somebody said cut too early,

887
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: or somebody walked in front of the frame, or just

888
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: something happened and they didn't have enough. They just didn't

889
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: have enough camera runway. I think that has to be

890
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: it right.

891
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 5: And our fan base was so consistent, like we had

892
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 5: the two million views every week that they were like, listen,

893
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 5: they're not going anywhere. Make it a freeze. Yeah, you know,

894
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: it's not going to piss anyone off. We didn't talk

895
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 5: about mouth and Millie, you guys, they.

896
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: Were so sweet and again to see people having fun,

897
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: I know, I keep coming back to that word. But

898
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: when she wakes up, especially because the episode opens on

899
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: Peyton being the episode opens on Peyton dreaming and the

900
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: cage and the thing, and you're like, wait, what's going on?

901
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: And then she wakes up, Milly waking up not understanding

902
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: quite where she is, like what state she's in, what's happening,

903
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: and then realizing he's home. It pierced to my heart

904
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: in the sweetest way. I love watching these two together.

905
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: I love watching them be romantic and laugh and their

906
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 3: chemistry is so good. Yeah, they're just the best.

907
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: I was thinking about her future storyline of becoming a

908
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: cocaine addict.

909
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: What the boy stop? Stop?

910
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 2: And I'm just this sweet face and their sweet relationship

911
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: and what a solid person she is. And I'm like

912
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: on one planet to someone who is so who was

913
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: such a solid character, like a like a moral character.

914
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, or you know, you know, how

915
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: does she become? How does she get there? It just

916
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: seemed it pissed me off in advance because it just

917
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: seems so unreasonable.

918
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: You should kid, yeah, real little Yeah, it's gonna get you.

919
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: That fashion industry, it'll get you.

920
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 5: Oh, she has no idea, there's this little vixen at work.

921
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: Lee played that well, did I tell you about my girlfriend?

922
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: Did I tell you about my girlfriend? My girlfriend?

923
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: My girlfriend's the reason I'm so healthy?

924
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

925
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: Did I mention.

926
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: Love that he came back and they offered him the

927
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: job too, before he could even ask for it. Fun Yeah,

928
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: it's nice to see Lee have some screen time. He

929
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: just brightens my whenever he's on camera.

930
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 5: I like that he's doing well at work. I like

931
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 5: that he's being appreciated. I want to talk about Haley's

932
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: work schedule because I loved, loved the haikup.

933
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: I loved that scene were storming in taking the wallet.

934
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: That's funny.

935
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 5: But the hikup came so fast and it was so clever,

936
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: and it was delivered so well. I loved the hikup,

937
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 5: and I was like, is she only teaching one period

938
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 5: a day? Because in our timeline she's like at home

939
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 5: in the middle of a day.

940
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: Yes, she's just too good of a teacher to waste

941
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: on one kicks.

942
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: Making capes ten capes in an hour.

943
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: Hailey doesn't have a job except one.

944
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: Class, except she does. It's so confusing.

945
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan happens to be everywhere all at once. Also somehow,

946
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: so it does Dan. We're you know, we're all the time.

947
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: What difference is what is time? What is time?

948
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 5: Do people have you write that haikup out? I feel

949
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: like that's like a little tree hill SoundBite that I've

950
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 5: heard over and over again.

951
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: No, I actually completely forgot about it.

952
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: I wish I was that sharp.

953
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 2: I wish I had that kind of sense of humor,

954
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: like really quick, you have that hill like really quick.

955
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: It's good.

956
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: There's too many syllables to figure out. No, that's why

957
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: I was dazzled by it. I was like, this is incredible.

958
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: I love it.

959
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, we have a fan question from Grace. She says,

960
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: have you ever noticed that Brook and Sam have a

961
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: similar moment like Karen and Brooke when Brooke moved into

962
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: Lucas's room, do you think Brooke is channeling what she

963
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: wishes was done for her when trying to parent Sam.

964
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think that's sort of what we were talking

965
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: about earlier, right, that they come from different sets of circumstances,

966
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: but they both struggle with this feeling of not enoughness,

967
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: for not being wanted, from being easy to leave by

968
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: their parents. Yeah, and having Karen show up for Brook

969
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: in high school really shifted her self worth and I

970
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: think that's part of the reason that Brook and Hayley

971
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: talks so much about how Brook and Sam are similar.

972
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: How you know you'll say to me, I think you

973
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: can get through to her, and I like that Brooke

974
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: keeps trying that they can have these serious conversations, that

975
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: she can try and fail in a moment like she

976
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: does in the cafe when Sam says, that's my mom,

977
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: and she has no idea what to say. How could you?

978
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: You don't know how to be prepared. This isn't actually yeah,

979
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: it's not actually your teenager. You don't know this kid

980
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 3: very well. But she won't give up, and she figures

981
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: it out. And so she goes, Okay, if this wild

982
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: child keeps leaving my home in the middle of the

983
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: night and goes and sleeps in this car, I don't

984
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: understand why, but I'll just meet her there. Yeah, that's

985
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: how I'll show up. Yeah, you know. She figures out

986
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: how to show up for someone who doesn't know how

987
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: to ask for what she needs and who has no

988
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: practice with people showing up for them, and offers a

989
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: new way forward. And that's what Karen did for her.

990
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: Karen offered her a home so she could stay in

991
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 3: her community with her people, yea, you know, finish high

992
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: school her way.

993
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: And offered her boundaries as well, and not in a

994
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: way that was containing. It was actually creating more freedom.

995
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you say it. Kids need structure, kids need it,

996
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: but we need it even as adults. And there's this

997
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: way I think that we're starting to see Brooke figure

998
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: out how to show up for Sam and help raise Sam.

999
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: Also in a way helps Brook raise herself.

1000
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: Oh, the reparenting is bananas.

1001
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, bananas, because you realize all the stuff that you

1002
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 5: were told as a kid was too hard. Like the

1003
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: excuse is you heard from grown ups like this is

1004
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 5: too hard. Then you do it and you realize, no,

1005
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 5: it's not. This is actually like a joy to be

1006
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 5: this child's confidant. This is a joy to be this

1007
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 5: child's security. And it's reparenting yourself while you try, you know,

1008
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 5: to be dependable for these little animals. And I like

1009
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 5: seeing modeled behavior. I think that's really important with kids,

1010
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 5: and so you see Nathan doing it in this episode.

1011
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 5: The drunk mom is the one that's like, let them

1012
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: sort it out on their own. But the problem is

1013
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 5: a kid that's never seen it, doesn't know what it

1014
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: looks like, so they can't sort it out.

1015
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: On their own.

1016
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 5: So both Brooke and Nathan are modeling the behavior that

1017
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 5: they wished for, and it's you know, it's effective on

1018
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 5: the kids that they're dealing with.

1019
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: I love that. That's a great point.

1020
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, kids can't sort it out on their own. Did

1021
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 5: people not watch the first four seasons of our show?

1022
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: They're not reliable at all.

1023
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: That is one of the hardest parts of parenting, I find,

1024
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: because I always felt like I was given so much

1025
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: as so many answers every time I had a problem.

1026
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, here's here's exactly what you should do.

1027
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: And it kind of eventually I started figuring out that

1028
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: as nice as it was, you know, well intentioned, but

1029
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: parents aren't in our classrooms with us. They're not engaged

1030
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: with the students and the people that we are in

1031
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: the same way at that age, and the advice didn't

1032
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: always work. Almost hardly ever did it work. And I

1033
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: had to figure out my own way of doing it.

1034
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 2: And there was something about like the autonomy of that

1035
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: that I do. I try and give Maria that, like,

1036
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm here, I have ideas if you, if you want

1037
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: my opinion, I'm happy to give that to you. And

1038
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: of course there's safety issues and things, you know, some

1039
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: things there's there's always like a progression of where the

1040
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: line is for that, but I think it's important for

1041
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: kids to be able to have the space to experiment

1042
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: with trying to figure things out and fail. They have

1043
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: to try it and fail. And if you don't ever

1044
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to fail, I don't know how you

1045
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: develop your character. I don't know how you. I don't

1046
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: know how you learn because then and then it then

1047
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: it affects your confidence and your ability to decision make.

1048
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: Because I love you.

1049
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 5: Sad got this one boundary breakfast at seven and just

1050
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 5: found the exact work around.

1051
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: She did, I'm following the rule. Brilliant.

1052
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: You weren't specific enough.

1053
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: So good.

1054
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: That's such a teenage thing to do too.

1055
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: It's perfect.

1056
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: Let's been a while because Sophia's got to go, I do.

1057
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 3: I got to jump.

1058
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: We don't have a hell of a day today.

1059
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 3: It's going to be a great Saturday.

1060
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: He didn't chew it.

1061
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: Oh lord, Oh this is a good one.

1062
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: Who is most likely to say I love you to

1063
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 3: a one night stand?

1064
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: Oh?

1065
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: Girls, Oh boy.

1066
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: Ah, it's me. It's me.

1067
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 5: I did, And now I have a thirteen year old

1068
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 5: and yea shit worked by the way he said it first,

1069
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 5: so said a first.

1070
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: Uh, it's me. I love love. I love love so hard.

1071
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 3: I love you admitting that about yourself, and it makes

1072
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: me giggle because I realized that the first person who

1073
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: came to mind when we read the question for me

1074
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: was Bevin, but not like actual Bevin, like Bevin's character character,

1075
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: because I could immediately see the scene and someone being

1076
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: like thank you, No, like just bere comedict gold.

1077
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1078
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: But I love that the real I love that, the

1079
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 3: real life version of that led to all of this

1080
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 3: for you. That's just it's great, best thing I've ever heard.

1081
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 5: I loved that big oh right away. I also love

1082
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 5: being impulsive, and I'm stubborn enough to commit to my impulsiveness.

1083
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: Love it. Hey, what do we have next episode? What happens? Next?

1084
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: Season six, episode eight? Our life is not a movie?

1085
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: Or maybe I don't think I know what that means,

1086
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: but I don't either into it.

1087
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: It sounds dramatic, all right, it's.

1088
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 2: Not a movie or maybe maybe Okay.

1089
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 5: All right, thanks for joining us, Scott, Thanks everybody, Well, hey,

1090
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 5: thanks for listening.

1091
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also

1092
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,520
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1093
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: H or email us at drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.

1094
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: See you next time.

1095
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: We all at that high school drama. Girl drama, all

1096
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: about them high school queens will take you for a ride.

1097
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Speaker 3: And our comic girl cheering for the right teams drama queens,

1098
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Speaker 3: my girl, rough girl fashion with your tough girl.

1099
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Speaker 2: You could sit with us.

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