1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: a Castro Edge, DJ, Bucky back with you here, and 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Buck Man, We've got a fun show today. We're gonna 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: get a chance to visit with David Cutcliffe, one of 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: the premier sources when it comes to the quarterback position. 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: The dukehead football coach is coached Peyton Eli as well 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: as Daniel Jones. Gonna get a chance to visit with him. 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: But man, we have got to start with what's going 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: on in Seattle? How you doing, Bud Man, I'm doing great. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: But this Russell Wilson Seahawks rift is really escalated this offseason, 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: and it was fully encapsulated and broken down in an 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: article that appeared in The Athletic and DJ Man, we 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: just have to talk about some of the explosive content 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: that came out of that article. Yeah, it was really 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: a great piece of reporting there by a trio of 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: writers and Sando is one of them who's really dialed 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: in with that team, and man, let's let's just kind 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: of go through it a little bit here. It just 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: talks about kind of how there's this benness growing divide 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: between Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson, and the best way 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: I would describe it and how it's described in this 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: in this piece, really is Pete Carroll's belief in the 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: philosophy of of running the football, playing great defense and 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: and believing in that formula, and Russell Wilson's belief in 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: himself and wanting more responsibility not just in terms of 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: putting the ball in his hands on the field, but 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: having more of a say so in personnel decisions and 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: coaching moves in the direction of the franchise. Um Man, 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: it was. It was something that it sounded like as 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: things started to get a little bit rocky, Uh, this year, 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: it sounds like it might be as bad as ever been. Yeah, dud, 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: I think it is as bad as it's ever been. 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: And I do believe it comes down to that. Pete 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: Carroll has won a bunch of games with a strict philosophy. 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: He believes in running the football, playing great defense. He 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: wants to minimize turnovers and really make the game all 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: about the ball. Russell Wilson is a quarterback who believes 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: he's a playmaker. He wants to see himself in the 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: same category as Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes, Aaron Rodgerson, 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: and those other great quarterbacks. And so you have a 42 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: guy that wants to play one way and a coach 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: who wants to play another way because he knows his 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: way has led to a lot of success and championships. 45 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: And so I don't know how this ends up, but 46 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: it's very, very messy right now. Now there's a lot 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: of other different things to get into here. One of 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: the things I thought was fascinating is it talked about 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Russell wanting to be kind of in that conversation with 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: some of the greats, and it talked about two in particular, 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who's been associated with winning right all the 52 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: Super Bowls. So you've got that that kind of legacy 53 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: that he's chasing, and it looked like he was kind 54 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: of on on track to be kind of that winner. 55 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: Right He's in a couple of Super Bowls, wins one earlier, 56 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: it should have won another one against Tom but hasn't 57 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: been able to get back there. And then the other 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: name was Breeze because of all the stats that Drew 59 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: has been able to compile over such a long career. 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: So he had, hasn't been able to quite get the 61 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: numbers of Brees. He hasn't been able to quite get 62 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: all the championships. He would seek to be known as 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: kind of the winner like Brady, And it feels like 64 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: those two things are the difference in those philosophies. Because 65 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: Brady won several of those champions because they had great defense, 66 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: because they could run the ball and because he protected it, 67 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: and Breeze put up all those stats because they put 68 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. It almost seems like they're 69 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: stuck kind of in no Van's Land, in the middle 70 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: between these two things. Yeah, I think that's what's so 71 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: interesting about it all, because Tom Brady is recognized as 72 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: the goat because he's the ultimate winner, not because he 73 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: has the most stats or because he has the the 74 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: glossiest resume when it comes to an individual playing standpoint, 75 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: whereas Drew Brees is celebrated as a gold jacket guy 76 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: because look, he does have a ton of five thousand 77 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: yards seasons, but he doesn't have the wins of Tom Brady. 78 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: And so ultimately, Russell Wilson has to decide, what do 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: you want to be known as the winner or the 80 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: guy that has the big numbers, because you can't have 81 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: both based on the way that you have to play 82 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: to attain those levels of success. And I want to 83 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: get a little bit to it on the on the 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: Seahawks side of things, because I think there's blame you 85 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: could cast on both sides, on Wilson's side as well 86 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: as on the Seahawks. To me, in order to play 87 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: in the style and in the philosophy that Pete Carroll 88 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: wants to play, great defense, run the football, uh, to me, 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: building a really good offensive line is a key part 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: of that. Being able to run the ball um and 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: be able to have that kind of physical identity. I 92 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: think they've lost a little bit of their identity, and 93 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily for a lack of trying in terms 94 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: of the resources. I know you can get into that 95 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: and some of the resources they've put on that offensive line, 96 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: but they haven't been good. They haven't been good up front. 97 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: I know you can put some sacks on Russell, but 98 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about the passing game. I'm talking 99 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: about being able to move people in the run game 100 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: and establish a physical identity. They haven't been able to 101 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: do that, and I've I've said on here. We've talked 102 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: about it forever. It's hard to find a great team 103 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: with a bad offensive line. It's tough to do man 104 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: um and and to me it's also when you have 105 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: a great offensive line, it's hard to be a bad team. 106 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: So to me, I think fixing that and I think 107 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: Russell was man He he didn't go out there and 108 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: he doesn't just flippantly throw things out. You know, it 109 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: was calculated. When he goes on national media shows and 110 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: talks about them upgrading the offensive line, there's a source 111 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: of frustration there. So I I do give the organization 112 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: a little bit of blame there. Again, not for lack 113 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: of effort, but the offensive line hasn't been very good. No. Look, 114 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: since they had to Wonderkin Draft where they were able 115 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: to draft all of the defensive personnel, they haven't necessarily 116 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: knocked it out the park when it comes to drafting 117 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: and drafting in the early rounds. But I will say this, 118 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to building out this team and what 119 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: Russell wants like, it is very very hard at times 120 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: to pay quarterback top of the market money and have 121 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: all of the other pieces around it. And so if 122 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: you're really committed to doing that, then everybody has to 123 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: kind of work and be on the same page when 124 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: it comes to that. So maybe, like Brady, maybe I 125 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: don't take top of the market deal so I can 126 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: ensure that maybe I can have some of the other 127 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: things that I need to win. Some of that is 128 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: defensive personnel, some of that is the offensive line for 129 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: the team. A Russ, we certainly want you to be 130 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: recognized as one of the top players. Will let you 131 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: thought around the yard, but when it gets down to 132 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: the nitty gritty, when we get down to the playoffs, 133 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna play the way that we need to play 134 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: to win the game. Because that's also what we've seen 135 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: the Patriots do when they had Tom Brady. Tom Brady 136 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: may throw the ball all over the yard, but when 137 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: it came to December in January, they played a certain 138 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: style of football that you can close your ays and say, oh, 139 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: this looks like nineteen seventies football. And so Russ has 140 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: to figure out what does he want to be known as, 141 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: what is his legacy to be the winner or to 142 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: be the guy that stuff stats. Yeah, and you know, Buck, 143 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: when you when you go back to kind of how 144 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: you build a team around a quarterback, who gets that 145 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: big second contract and is carrying a high cap figure. 146 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the fact that, man, there's 147 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: more pressure on you in the draft to get it 148 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: right because players are gonna leave. You're not gonna be 149 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: able to keep everybody there. It's gonna cost you some 150 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: players when you're paying your quarterback that much money. All 151 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: the more emphasis on being able to hit in the draft. 152 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: We've talked about it with the Rams, right they they've 153 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: paid their stars. Um, they've got rid of a bunch 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: of first round picks. A lot of pressure on those 155 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: guys less needing company be able to hit and continually 156 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: hit on these players, second, third, fourth, fifth round. Uh, 157 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: to be able to have some cheaper starters that can 158 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: play at a high level. And I think with the Seahawks, 159 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: when you look at them going forward, yeah, they want 160 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: to address the offensive line. They've got no first round 161 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: pick this year, They've got no first round pick next year. 162 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: So if we're saying, okay, Russell might be trying to 163 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: maneuver his way out of Seattle, maybe he peers out 164 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: into the future and says, man, I don't know if 165 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: this thing is going to get better here, um and 166 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: crying and trying to drum up a narrative that makes it, 167 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, easily understandable why you're trying to to leave. 168 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: And he doesn't do it again. He's calculated, man. He 169 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: don't go out You don't go out there and say 170 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: things in the public like he said without me beginning 171 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: to think, okay, he might not be doing it um 172 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: as Deshaun Watson has done it to overtly come out 173 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and say I'm not playing here. But it seems clear 174 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: to me that I think he wants to get out 175 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: of there. You know, he he may want to get 176 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: out of there. But here's what's very interesting. The offensive 177 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: coordinator bringing Shane Waldron comes from the L. A. Rams. 178 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: We've talked about the L. A. Ram system, which is 179 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: an extension of the Shanahan system. I think it's a 180 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: win win for both parties. I think for Pete Carroll, 181 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: it puts Russell Wilson in a structured offense that doesn't 182 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: necessarily make the team relies so much on his individual 183 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: playmaking ability. It's systematic. It creates open opportunities for the 184 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: wide receivers. It should upgrade and enhance the running game, 185 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: which is when Russell plays his best when he's able 186 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: to run the ball through all play action and do 187 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: some of those things. For Russell Wilson, the system gives 188 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: him some comfort because there should be more consistency in 189 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: terms of their ability to push the ball down the 190 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: field the home run shots, because I believe he's better 191 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: as a vertical thrower than a rhythm passer, and so 192 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: I think this certainly helps. I just don't understand now 193 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: why Russ is so open in terms of voicing his displeasure. 194 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: I do know that the money is coming to and 195 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: maybe Russ wants a little more money. But this is 196 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: as messy as we've seen in the Pacific Northwest. And 197 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: you can already see that the twelves are lining up 198 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: behind their their favorite ones, some of with Coach Carroll, 199 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: others are with Russell Wilson. I can't wait to see 200 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: how this plays out. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Uh 201 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: real quick, before we move on, here is there a 202 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: team if you're gonna look at you know, potential landing 203 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: spot it. You know, who knows if this will happen, 204 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: But if if somehow they did come to the conclusion 205 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: that they wanted to to move away from one another, 206 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: here and what team would make sense well, I mean 207 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: I think for Russell, I think maybe the uh Las 208 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders, just because John gruten Um loves his game, 209 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: would put a running game around him. He does a 210 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: really good job of doing those things. The only thing 211 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: that I wanted, I don't know if their defense is 212 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: good enough to supplant uh what is building in the 213 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: a f C West, first with the Kansas City Chiefs, 214 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: and then when you look at the l A Chargers, 215 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: I think that would make a lot of sense. Outside 216 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: of that, I mean maybe New Orleans, But they're not 217 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: a lot of options because if he goes to a 218 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: team that is worse, are we confident that Rust can 219 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: put a lesser team on his back and have better 220 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: results than the results he's having in Seattle. It's tricky 221 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: to me because I think when you look at the 222 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: team's picking high um, I think they're with this being 223 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback draft, I think they're gonna lean 224 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: more towards you know, even though Russell's a fantastic player, 225 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: looking for somebody that can be their guy for the 226 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: next ten to fifteen years. I don't see those teams 227 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: up there. I'm talking about the Jets and the Dolphins. 228 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: I don't see that. I don't see that happening. And 229 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: then if you're the Seahawks, I mean yeah, I mean, 230 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: he might be a great fit with the Raiders in 231 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: the Saints, but you can't give me a pick that 232 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: can get me a replacement, like who I gotta trot 233 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: somebody out there to play quarterback. I'm getting rid of 234 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: a top five type quarterback in Russell Wilson, and you 235 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: can't offer me a pick or I can get my 236 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: next guy. So I don't know. There's not an easy 237 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: trade partner out there if this did come to that. No, 238 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: there's not one, So there nat would be some conversation. 239 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: But what about Houston? What about Deshaun Watson for Russell Wilson? 240 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: But I don't know if both parties have enough capital 241 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: to pull that off. If you're the Houston Texans, I 242 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: mean you wish certainly want some more conversation to come 243 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: with year old quarterback. I know, I mean to come 244 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: back for Deshaun Watson, like I mean, I don't know. 245 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I think it's paying the Scott stuff. And I understand 246 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson has a no trade clause, So where 247 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: We're Russ deemed to be the best place for him. 248 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: There only a handful of teams in this league that 249 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: are ready to go and ready to go win. I 250 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: don't know if those teams also have a quarterback need. 251 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: The interesting thing you said the Raiders real quick is 252 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: that I can make a case that Derek Carr kind 253 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: of plays the game the way Pete Carroll wants to 254 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: play the game. You talked about being protect the football, 255 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: make good decisions, Um, don't put your defense in a 256 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: bad spot. That's kind of how Derek car plays. I mean, DJ, 257 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: you you went a ton of games like that. I mean, 258 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: we can say a lot of things about Pete Caroline. 259 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: I know people say, oh, but he didn't win before Rus, 260 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: But like, let's let's look at this because it's a 261 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: mutual I mean, it's a deal where they've been mutually 262 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: beneficial in terms of style of play and what they 263 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: built in those things. As long as you don't turn 264 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: it over, you're gonna win nine or teen games. Then 265 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: it's on the quarterback to get you over the top. 266 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks frustration stems from the fact that 267 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: since they've really entrusted the team to Russell Wilson and 268 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: paid him to big money. They haven't been back to 269 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, they haven't been to a title game, 270 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: they haven't won at the highest level. Um, what is 271 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: the goal? The goal has don't win at all, and 272 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: they certainly haven't done that since Russell Wilson has become 273 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the ultimate playmaker for them. Yeah, it's a really interesting story. 274 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: Something to keep an eye on. Man. One thing we 275 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: do know if Russell Wilson does stay in Seattle, he's 276 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: got some good wide receivers to throw the ball to 277 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: when you look at Lockett obviously with DK Metcalf, now 278 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: it's time for be prepared. Presented by Castro Edge. Well. 279 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Football season did not go the way Duke and their 280 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: head coach, David Cutcliffe would have liked. But you will 281 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: not find a more respected coach in all of football. Obviously. 282 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: You know he coached Peyton Manning, he coached Eli Manning, 283 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: he coached Daniel Jones. He's one of the brightest minds 284 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: in the sport. And we had a chance to catch 285 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: up with coach Cutcliffe about one of the more intriguing 286 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: prospects and quite simply the best prospect in the upcoming draft. 287 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, excited to welcome to the show. One 288 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: of the most respected men in the sport of football, 289 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: regardless of level it is a Duke head coach David 290 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Cutcliffe joining us and coach, it's it's great to see 291 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: you again. We appreciate your time. I guess since the 292 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: last time we had a chance to visit down there 293 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: at Daniel Jones UH Pro Day, a lot's changed, including 294 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: Eli Manning's retirements. So before you know we get into 295 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: talking about some of these quarterbacks and some guys you've 296 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: got coming out of Duke this year, my question is simply, 297 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: did did Eli ever change your phone a different language 298 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: like he's done to so many other people? Absolutely? Um, 299 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, think about this. I have had Elien Peyton 300 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: at the same time during their pro careers, and they 301 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: come in plan and that is I can't even mention 302 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: the things on air. The phone language was easy, the 303 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: rest of it got complicated. Coach, you're just coming out 304 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: of really what is an unprecedented time and college football 305 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: with the pandemic and all of the social unrest. What 306 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: was it like coaching your team doing I guess a 307 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: very tumultuous preseason and season. We we had an exceptionally 308 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: difficult circumstance here because our guys weren't allowed back to campus. 309 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: We had a hundred and forty days in a row 310 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: without a organized workout. So um, probably, without question, the 311 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: most difficult thing our freshman came in. I mean literally, 312 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: you lie. Eighteenth was our first opportunity to work and 313 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: we were opening with Notre Dame, and I think just 314 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: the entirety of the stress, the entirety of the injuries 315 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: because we really weren't quite ready to start as we 316 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: normally would be. As far as strength and conditioning, the 317 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: most difficult thing I've ever done in forty six years 318 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: of coaching. Yeah, that's saying something there, coach. Is there 319 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: is there anything that you took out of this year 320 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: from a positive standpoint in terms of, you know, maybe 321 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: some of the technology that that was incorporated this year 322 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: or any other practices that were introduced this year that 323 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: you can carry forward. Yeah, there's no question that a 324 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: lot of us, particular guys like me have been in 325 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: a long time. We think it's all cookie cutter practice 326 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: schedules and this is how you get a team ready 327 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: and your twenty nine opportunities. Well, what we had to adjust. 328 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: We learned a lot. Uh, we learned a lot as 329 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: the season went along, even the things you know, a 330 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: lot of people won't to do overs. And I tell 331 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: our coaches and players all the times what I love 332 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: about football, there is no such thing. You use those 333 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: opportunities when things. I made some bad decisions, but I 334 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: know now why I made them, and I won't make 335 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: them again. Um. So there are so many parts of this. 336 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: And then I think the reality of relationships have always 337 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: been there, but this, this pandemic um and the circumstances 338 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: surrounding it, made player coach relationships more important than ever. 339 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: And I don't ever want to see that change. And uh, 340 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: we really had a chance to spend a lot of 341 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: time around each other and get really close, you know, coach, 342 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: And thinking about that, because recruiting is the lifeline to 343 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: building a successful program, how do you deal with the 344 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: recruiting changes because you weren't able to get as much 345 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: face to FaceTime when it comes to bringing in new 346 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: guys into your program. And that's a continuation. The class 347 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: that we just signed, we had seen them in person 348 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: song um, but by the time we hit March, those 349 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: guys never got to have an official visit. They never 350 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: had their parents come with them to campus and spend 351 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: time with us together. Uh it's really awkward. And then 352 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: now with the class of two, we've had no in 353 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: person evaluations. And as much as you want to try 354 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: to study tape, the opportunity to see a player between plays, 355 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: to see a player on the sideline, to learn a 356 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: little bit more about their character and their competitiveness, it's 357 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: very difficult. In a program like ours. We depend upon 358 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: all of those other traits, not just talent, and that's 359 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: been the most difficult thing for us. It's only well, 360 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: we've used technology. I tell people all the time, I 361 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: fly zoom airlines everywhere. I'm the living rooms all over 362 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: the country now. Uh so we're gonna utilize that moving forward, 363 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: but we're better when we're pershing to person and face 364 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: to face. And I do miss that, and I really 365 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: missed the evaluation time. Coach. I want to touch on 366 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: that because we're doing the same thing from the evaluation stuff, 367 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: trying to get ready to figure these guys out as 368 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: they go towards the NFL Draft. We did it as scouts, 369 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: we kind of do it on the media side. And 370 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: I can't remember I won't. I won't out the quarterback, 371 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: but I, as you can imagine, always want to see 372 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: those quarterbacks live. And there was a quarterback ended up 373 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: going in the first round. I went to his bowl game. 374 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: I didn't wear any NFL stuff, and I went down 375 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: there as close to the fence as I could, down 376 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: there by the field, and I just tried to mirror 377 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: him and fall him around on the sideline. And he 378 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: didn't have particularly great game, and if something would go bad, 379 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: he would come off the sideline. He would be by himself. 380 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: He was interacting with with his coaches, teammates, lineman, and 381 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: just this seemed like a loner. It rubbed me the 382 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: wrong way and kind of led me to, you know, 383 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: to kind of ding him in the evaluation process. Have 384 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: there been instances like that for you when you get 385 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: out to see these kids where no matter what you 386 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: might see on the on the game tape, that something 387 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: could you know, turn you either up or down on 388 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: a guy. Absolutely for years and years and years, and 389 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: that is the best measure. And I've always when when 390 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: when we're hiring young coaches, when you go to evaluate someone, 391 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: evaluate him, I want a sheet that talks about everything 392 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: they did Um. You can see it as often on 393 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: the sideline as you can in person. It's great to 394 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: evaluate the quarterback in person, just to see the ball 395 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: spend and look at their hand speed. It's different than 396 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: what it is on tape. But that's just a small 397 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: part of the story. Um. People ask me all the time, 398 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: what what are one of the things that the quarterback 399 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: has to be? And he's got to be a person 400 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: that makes everyone around them him better. And that's an 401 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: all the time job. Uh. You know, I've been reading 402 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: where all these bucks are making these comments about Brady, 403 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, after the super Bowl, and every one of 404 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: them are talking about circumstances that had nothing to do 405 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: with being on even the practice field. It was either 406 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: locker room or talks or just his way of doing things. 407 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: And when you miss that, it's easy to miss on 408 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: at any position. Offensive lineman d Lyman included, you know, 409 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: watching a secondary guy the same thing. I want to 410 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: see what he looks like after he gets beat. Um. 411 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: If he's defeated there, then I don't want him, and 412 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: I've turned him down. I'm not I don't like dirt kickers, 413 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: and I don't like hanging head hangers and the dirt 414 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: kickers at kid in baseball that can't throw a strike, 415 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: and every time he gets the ball back, he kicks 416 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: them out, you know, like it's the mount's called. So 417 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: you gotta look for those things. You know, coaches in 418 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: because you're talking about quarterbacks and I'm fascinated by quarterbacks. 419 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: And are you of the belief that your quarterback needs 420 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: to be a gym rat, that he needs to be 421 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: one of the hardest, if not the hardest workers on 422 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: the team. And why would that be important? Well, I 423 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: think it's an absolute Um. That's part of being a 424 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: guy that makes everyone around you better. Um. When they 425 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: know you're in early and you stay late, Uh, they're 426 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna respect you more, but they're gonna listen 427 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: to you much much more intently. Uh, you're gonna when 428 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: you gain that respect. I've head quarterbacks, young quarterbacks say well, 429 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, nobody has any confidence in't he And I said, well, 430 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: that's not handed. That's earned. And that's a big part 431 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: of that. And that work ethic has separated many. It 432 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: is never gonna make there a lot of talented people, 433 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: and that's not gonna make somebody a goat. Um. It's 434 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: gonna be all the other intangibles that go with it. 435 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: I love when I start and people talking about you know, 436 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: armed strength and this, and you know that's way overrated 437 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: when a guy is not prepared, UM and knowing how 438 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: to use his arm and when to use touch and 439 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: there's so much. Just one of my passions. And you 440 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: know you mentioned Daniel Jones early. You know he got 441 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: missed by a whole lot of folks in high school. 442 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: And thank goodness, is high school coach sent me senior 443 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: tape the difference in him. I had seen him as 444 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: a sophomore and kind of had written him off. But 445 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: as a senior, he did every little thing right. UM. 446 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: And I immediately called his head high school coach and said, 447 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: don't send that tape to anybody else, please, we want 448 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: him big time. Coach. I'm curious, you know, haven't spent 449 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: so much time around Peyton and Eli and not only 450 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: the success, but to sustain success. I mean that that 451 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: to me is more rare. We see guys do it 452 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: for a year here or there, but to sustain success, 453 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: what would you attribute that to? I think that the 454 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: guys that are long term ors in that league, UM, 455 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: and this is another evaluation for me. I want to 456 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: know how much they love football. If you start playing 457 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: the game for money, money will not love you buy 458 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: and that's a bad relationship and it usually ends in 459 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: erect and we've seen that, and I don't know why 460 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: people don't figure that out much more quickly. The guys 461 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: that have a love for the game are doing it 462 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: for the right reasons. It's not just winning. It's a 463 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: respect for the game. Knowing the more you put into it, 464 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: the more effort that goes into what you're doing day 465 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: after day starts becoming who you are. And so in 466 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: year fourteen and fifteen, for the guys that I've coached, UM, 467 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: I see it an increased intensity, an increased expectation of 468 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: everyone around them. And that's not gonna happen at that 469 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: stage because the money is you know, is done. Um 470 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: But I see a lot of young players that I 471 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: want to display the fact that they've got money more 472 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: than they want to display the fact that they're incredibly 473 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: in love with football and have this amazing work ethic 474 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: and h I found that interesting. Through the years. You know, coach, 475 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: You've been a lot of around a lot of great 476 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and it seems like we're having an evolution at 477 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: the position, that we're seeing more athletic playmakers at the 478 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: position than just your status pocket passer. When you're looking 479 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: at quarterbacks, how much does the athleticism factor into the 480 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: evaluation process. Well, it's becoming more and more important to 481 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: me personally. First of all, it fits what we have 482 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: to do to be successful here. That's part of an euation. 483 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, and I had far 484 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: too much time to sit at home and watch football 485 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: when you don't play in a bowl game, and I 486 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: was miserable. So I watched it closely, and then I 487 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: was able to watch the playoffs, which I thoroughly enjoyed. 488 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: It's an interesting study to see how many first downs 489 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: are made on third down off of scrambles, scramble runs 490 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: and scramble throws. And that has become quite evident at 491 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: every level. I felt like I told our staff all season, 492 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: that's a bigger deal. And and one of the things 493 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: that occurs with an athletic quarterback. The most difficult thing 494 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: to practice isn't tackling, it's sacking a quarterback. That's something 495 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: that in college we don't get a preseason game. You 496 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: never do until a game. You're not gonna hit your 497 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks or have your quarterbacks hit in a scribble working 498 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: on ways right now to find ways to finish socks um. 499 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: As long as people are average at that and don't 500 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: have the quality of athlete to finish a pass rush 501 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: and finish the sack um, then those quarterbacks become more 502 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: and more important important. And when you get out of 503 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: that pocket and I'm I'm watching you know, uh Mahomes 504 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: and Kelsey and these guys that I mean, they know 505 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: what to expect each other. And I think it's become 506 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: an extreme weapon in the NFL. Lamar Jackson when we 507 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: played him at Louisville, I didn't want him to go anywhere. 508 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: I wanted him to stay in the pocket. And uh, 509 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: it's a very difficult thing to do. What we tried 510 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: to do to Lamar Jackson was actually we just shortened 511 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: the game. I tried to burn every second on offense 512 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: and do everything I could to make uh them mad. 513 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: So when they substituted, I would wait the last second 514 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: and Subody Lineman because we had no answer for that 515 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: type of athletic quarterback. And you know what, I don't 516 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: see many NFL teams have an answer for him either 517 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: they don't, coach, they have not had an answer for 518 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: him through it through his young NFL career. You mentioned 519 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: the ability to finish as a sack artist, and that's 520 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: something I want to talk about one of your guys 521 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: here and Chris Rump. Obviously the genes are good. We 522 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: know about his dad, Um, but when you when you 523 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: recruiting him, when you're developing him, I know he's still 524 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: lean coach, Um, but how did you know you had 525 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: somebody with a natural fill in that ability to finish. 526 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: You saw it on film. And let's go back to 527 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: the love of the game. His dad loves the game, 528 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: his mom loves the game. Chris loves the game, played 529 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: it with passion. I tell him, you know, I messed 530 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: with him sometimes. I used to tell him, you can 531 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: turn to twenty into one eight at heartbeat. That means 532 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: you get through a crack. I mean, it's crazy how 533 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: he gets on the edges. He would tell him not 534 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: to twenty. I'm too thirty. Okay, sorry, Uh, you know, 535 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: but he's got a great lower body, he's got amazing athletics. 536 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: Is m with his hands. Um, you haven't seen the 537 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: best with age and strength, which it comes natural. He's 538 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a great pass rusher in in that league. 539 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: And if you looked at really the outcome even in 540 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the ability of the pass rush for 541 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: the Bucks change that game as much as anything else. 542 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: And so I think Chris Rump is what people are 543 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: looking for. He's long, he can stand up and play 544 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: outside linebiker. He can actually play inside line biker. He's 545 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: a great blitcher in that regard. He's got a unique 546 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: savvy for the game. Uh, he can time cadence very 547 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: well from a linebacker position. You know, He's just he's 548 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: just really sharp. And so it's gonna be fun to 549 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: watch Chris progress as a professional football player. You know, 550 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Coach has an old scout. One of the things that 551 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: we would always do when we had a chance to 552 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: talk to the head coaches asked him and I'm ask you, coach, 553 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: who is the guy that the NFL is missing on 554 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: in this class? Who's the guy that you expected. I'll 555 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: come back and for you to say, Coach, why don't 556 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: you tell me this guy is gonna be a pretty 557 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: good player at the next level. We've got seven guys 558 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: that are gonna go through uh the the pro day, um, 559 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: and I don't really want to make any of them 560 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: angry by picking one. I think we we have sleepers throughout. 561 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: But I will say this, if you'll take a look 562 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: at Nolan Gray, and some people are starting to figure 563 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: it out. Um, when I look at a tight end, 564 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: I want to know if he has the ability to 565 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: be an option route runner and defeat man coverage. The 566 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: matchups are gonna favor him. He's got incredible short space quickness, 567 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: He's got a brilliant mind and a savvy for the game. 568 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: He played quarterback much like Travis Kelsey. I had Travis 569 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Kelsey and Camp as a quarterback. He certainly wasn't a quarterback, 570 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: but he was dang sure a great athlete and competitor. 571 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: And we see what's happened. But Noah in zone coverage 572 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: is gonna ion sold spots. He's gonna set safety's up 573 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: and linebackers up. And I just think he's far better 574 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: than people realize, and he's going to be a productive 575 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: part of anybody's offense. And so Michael Carter is another 576 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: guy that may be on the lower end of the 577 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: spectrum by some That guy can play anything. I mean, 578 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: he can play nicol, he can play safety, he can 579 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: play corner. He is a tremendous competitor and he finds 580 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: a way to win, and that's what you want the secondary. 581 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: So he may be those guys also coach. That's that's helpful. 582 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to all seven of these guys. I've 583 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: got rump done. Um, I like create the tight end. 584 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch the rest of your guys here 585 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: as we get towards the draft. I do want to 586 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: ask you about somebody that you had a chance to 587 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: coach against. I know somebody that you had on campus 588 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: as well, you've known for it for a long time, 589 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: and that's Trevor Lawrence. Um, we all assume he's going 590 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: to be the first pick here to the Jacksonville Jaguars. 591 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: But what your first exposure to him and what was 592 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: your takeaway? Well, I mean, first of all, he's bigger 593 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: than you think he is. Uh, he is faster than 594 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: you think he is. Okay, I know his high school coach, well, 595 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: he was well coached and trained in high school. But 596 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: the things that his high school coach said about him 597 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: as a person as a teammate, I think he's displayed 598 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: at Clemson that he's a great teammate, which is extremely important. 599 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: Probably the greatest compliment an athlete can get is being 600 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: a great teammate. And so I do think he's humble, 601 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: hard working. Um, you know where he is in his 602 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: progression as a quarterback, I wouldn't know as much about, 603 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: but he does possess the skill level and really again 604 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: going back to having great respect for his high school coach, 605 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: and remember everything he said about ever makes you realize 606 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: that he's got the intangibles as well. You know, coach 607 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: is great to hear you talk about that. One more 608 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: perspective on Trevor being on the opposite sideline. When you 609 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: face a guy like Trevor Lawrence, what do you feel 610 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: like facing a guy like that? What's what's the challenge 611 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: when you face someone who's as talented and dynamic as 612 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: a Trevor Lawrence. Well, I mean we didn't really have 613 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: an answer, to be honest with you. The challenges are 614 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: is that he is big enough and he can be 615 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: pure in that pocket. He can do what the guys 616 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: I've coached before can do, uh, and then he can create. 617 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: So like we played against Johnny Manzel in his last 618 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: game at Texas A and m good arm h. We 619 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: all know the mobility was incredible, but you knew he 620 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna just stay in the pocket and throw it 621 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: the way Trevor can. Trevor can throw out routes on time, 622 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: he can throw digs on time. Um, you know, and 623 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: that that's really to me. What you've got to see 624 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: is and he's certainly the body type you know to 625 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: do that, and I think that's the uniqueness. We didn't 626 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: have an answer. I mean, if you just try to 627 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: keep him in the pocket, rush high, he's going to 628 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: be successful in there. Uh. You can't even not rush 629 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: him and try to jump in bat balls because he's 630 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: a good sized guy. So we struggled again. The best 631 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: thing you can do is limit the number of snaps 632 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: they get somehow someway, that's the best way against those people. Coach, 633 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: you've been generous with your time. I'm not gonna keep 634 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: you much longer. But something we've talked about a lot 635 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: on on our show and kind of falling the trends 636 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: of where the game was headed. We we talked about position, 637 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: was football really on both sides of the line of scrimmage, 638 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: Having guys that can just do so many different things 639 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 1: that we've got a guy in this draft tight end 640 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: out of Florida, Kyle Pitts. So I think he might 641 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: if you're just gonna grade the ex receivers in this draft, 642 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: he might be the you know, second or third best 643 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: white out. But now he's he's six with six pounds. 644 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: To have somebody like that with that type of versatility, 645 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: with where the game is going, Coach, how much how 646 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: much value is there? I'm going to answer it, but 647 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: this way. We were talking about Zion off the air, okay, 648 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: And I would always get asked, where would you play 649 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: Zion if if you had him in football, and you know, 650 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: it would be one of two places and you just 651 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: said it both sides of the ball, it would be 652 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: tight end or some kind of hybrid edge rusher. Um. 653 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: So when you've got a guy like Pitch and I've 654 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: watched for it and I'm friends with Dan Um, I 655 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: don't think you have I mean, it's a matchup nightmare, 656 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: and he can play outside and he's gonna issue issue 657 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: many problems to corners just from a size mitch match 658 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: and mismatch and when you go inside. Um, I mean 659 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: his athleticism. His length is going to create all kinds 660 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: of problems. I'm liking that guy very goal in any 661 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: form or fashion, and whether it's out of a slot, 662 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: whether it's all it's the line of scrimmage because as 663 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: we all know, the vertical passion games changed because he 664 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: can leave their feet to hit him. Used to be 665 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: a dangerous route not so dangerous anymore. And when these 666 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,959 Speaker 1: guys figure that out, they can make a living going 667 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: down the field. Coach has been It's been such a 668 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: treat to sit here and talk with you. I've got 669 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: nine questions that I've got in my head, but we're 670 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: gonna let you scoot today. We we thank you so much. 671 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: We value your time and uh, it's really been great 672 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: to hear from you today. Well that I enjoy you guys, 673 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: and you know, come see us when it was pandemics over, 674 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: I would love to see any time. Take good care. 675 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: That was be prepared presented by Castro Ledge well buck. 676 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: It's been a fun show today. Enjoyed especially getting a 677 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: chance to visit with David Cutcliffe, who when it comes 678 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: to quarterbacks, Uh, he's as respected as there is. And 679 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: man I took a page full of notes just in 680 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: that conversation. Yeah, one of the best in the business. 681 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: What he's been able to do with quarterbacks over his 682 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: time in the college football ranks is remarkable. I think 683 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: he still drops some nuggets that are gold when it 684 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: comes to looking at quarterbacks, evaluating quarterbacks, and developing quarterbacks. Well, 685 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: the NFL offseason is cranking. We've already seen some quarterback movement. 686 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 1: We've got free agency right on the horizon. We're gonna 687 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: see a lot of shake up when that takes place, 688 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: and then that's gonna get us to these pro days, 689 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: which we're gonna have covered for you here on NFL Network. 690 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: So hang with us for those and appreciate you guys 691 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: hanging with us, and we will catch you next time. 692 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: Right here on Move the Sticks presented by Castro Ledge 693 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: Food