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Speaker 1: a number, but this is important to us. We're on

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford's side. We're in this together. And I think

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Speaker 1: a huge part of these OTAs now because when I

429
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Speaker 1: had John Schneider on the pod a couple weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't heard that, check that out. He was like,

431
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Speaker 1: I think he told me this before the podcast started,

432
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Speaker 1: is that they were going to cancel the last practice

433
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Speaker 1: of voluntary mini camp. He's like, we're only going to

434
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Speaker 1: have the for Tuesday and Wednesday. These OTAs in mini

435
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Speaker 1: camps are basically a glorified cardio workout. It's why it's

436
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Speaker 1: so embarrassing some of these guys that skip these, that

437
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Speaker 1: have kickers of one hundred, two hundred, five hundred thousand

438
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Speaker 1: dollars workout bonuses. Like, Guys, I understand you're making ten, fifteen,

439
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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars, but in no other line of work,

440
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Speaker 1: regardless how much you're making, would you just give away

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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars to do something that you would

442
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Speaker 1: be doing anyway. You're literally just at home working out,

443
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Speaker 1: you might as well just go there and work out

444
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Speaker 1: for a couple weeks and then bounce. This is really

445
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Speaker 1: really easy. So these guys take everyone to Hawaii, take

446
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Speaker 1: their families and it's a bonding experiment. I'm seeing clips

447
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Speaker 1: with them playing golf and there is a lot of

448
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Speaker 1: positive momentum for the the Los Angeles Rams coming into

449
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Speaker 1: the season. And the thing that has kind of slowed

450
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Speaker 1: them down the last couple years they started slow. If

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Speaker 1: they could start fast and they could stay healthy, you

452
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Speaker 1: know Jared Verse and Fist, the two guys they took

453
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Speaker 1: out of Florida State. Obviously, if Stafford can play at

454
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Speaker 1: a high level, you bring DeVante, which I would expect

455
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Speaker 1: to have a big year. I think the Rams are

456
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Speaker 1: a team. I mean they went to toe with the Eagles

457
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Speaker 1: last year. Why because their physical style works. Matt Stafford

458
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Speaker 1: is a quarterback that, when he's playing at a high level,

459
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Speaker 1: can play up against anyone in the league. It's Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: it's Josh, that's Lamar Like. He can go toe to

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Speaker 1: toe with those guys on an individual game basis. Maybe

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Speaker 1: not over the course of seventeen games. But I think

463
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Speaker 1: you're just looking at more of a modern day football team,

464
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Speaker 1: and that is kind of players friendly I was flipping

465
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Speaker 1: around YouTube yesterday hanging out the hotel, and I watched

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Speaker 1: this talk between Peyton Eli and Bryce and Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that's always struck me, and I've mentioned

468
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Speaker 1: this forever when I used to go to games a lot,

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Speaker 1: is that these quarterbacks in the Peyton and Eli era,

470
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Speaker 1: they're enormous. Palin and Eli, Tom Brady, these guys are

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, these guys, Philip Rivers. These guys are massive,

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. You're talking six four and a half to

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Speaker 1: six six, all of them were two hundred and thirty

474
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Speaker 1: to two hundred and forty pounds. None of them could run,

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Speaker 1: but they were just massive Broethlisberger fucking horses. And now

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Speaker 1: you see them next to Bryce who's five ten a

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Speaker 1: buck ninety and Caleb, who is bigger than Bryce but

478
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Speaker 1: still relative to that era of quarterbacks, not that big,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, and they were trying to

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Speaker 1: give them advice, and you know, Peyton's talked about he's

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Speaker 1: he's very positive when it comes to quarterbacks, like he's

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Speaker 1: not a guy that's gonna be overly critical and shit

483
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Speaker 1: on guys, which I would like, but that's not really

484
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Speaker 1: going to be his style is The record for interceptions

485
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Speaker 1: in year one was Peyton Manning through twenty eight, and

486
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Speaker 1: he mentioned in this talk he threw ten in his

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Speaker 1: first three games. The ball's hard and playing quarterbacks hard,

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Speaker 1: and I don't give a shit how hyped up you are,

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Speaker 1: what your accolades were coming out of college. If you're

490
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Speaker 1: going number one, even if there's a trade, like with

491
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Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, you're typically going to a bad team. You're

492
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Speaker 1: not usually going to an Andy Reid, a Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: a Bill Belichick led operation. So you go into a

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Speaker 1: franchise that typically the coaching is unstable and the pressure

495
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Speaker 1: is a Mets and nowadays with social media, the intensity

496
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Speaker 1: of it is speaks for itself. But Bryce Shung was

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Speaker 1: really humbled, and looking at it, I had forgotten, you

498
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Speaker 1: know what a big time barely lost in high school

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Speaker 1: and in college. By his first year starting they were.

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Speaker 1: They beat Georgia in the SEC Championship, and if it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been for a couple of injuries, he might

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Speaker 1: have been a national championship all our national champion. All

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Speaker 1: the guy had done is win, you know, Caleb. It's

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Speaker 1: weird because his team his senior year sucked and they

505
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Speaker 1: haven't been good the last two years, but his last

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Speaker 1: year at USC they were not good. But he didn't

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Speaker 1: get any of the blame. The coach got all the blame,

508
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Speaker 1: the program got all the blame, the state of USC

509
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Speaker 1: football got the blame, the recruiting got the blame. It

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Speaker 1: was not put on him. And in fairness, like in

511
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Speaker 1: some of their games even than that they won. I

512
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Speaker 1: remember they beat Arizona in an overtime game when he

513
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Speaker 1: was at USC. Shit, the only reason they were in

514
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Speaker 1: that game was him. But sometimes when that happens, like,

515
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Speaker 1: there's not my fault, and then all everyone's talking about

516
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Speaker 1: is he's gonna go number one. He's gonna go number one.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna go number one. He's gonna go number one.

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Speaker 1: And he did. And honestly, looking back, Ryan Poles didn't

519
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Speaker 1: really even I mean didn't even bring another quarterback during

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Speaker 1: that time. So you have to think Bryce Young was

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Speaker 1: as has as any young quarterback I can remember, and

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Speaker 1: handled it as good as you possibly can. He was

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Speaker 1: benched after a couple of games and came back and

524
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Speaker 1: I would say resurrected his career got to a point

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Speaker 1: where it's like he can be a legitimate starter in

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Speaker 1: the league now for a minimum a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: Like he's getting a little runway now. He has proven

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Speaker 1: that over the course of the second half of the season.

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Speaker 1: And Caleb, it never got that bad, though there were

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Speaker 1: some conversations last year that people internally were like, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's go to Tyson. That was kind of crazy. And

532
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Speaker 1: coach gets fired, everyone gets embarrassed, the franchisees and shambles.

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Speaker 1: But you have to wonder sometimes humility, and it's easy

534
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Speaker 1: to be like you's got to humble yourself sometimes when

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Speaker 1: you're young and everyone's giving you a reach around and

536
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Speaker 1: everyone's calling you the greatest thing since slice spread. Sometimes

537
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Speaker 1: it's hard. Sometimes you just got to get in the

538
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Speaker 1: arena of whatever you're doing and just suck at it

539
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Speaker 1: to realize, like this is hard because every old quarterback

540
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Speaker 1: and this what Peyton and Eli were telling him, like

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Speaker 1: this game is so hard. You prepare, you work so hard.

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Speaker 1: And I think Eli said this that you know, it

543
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Speaker 1: never gets easy. It gets easier because of your experiences,

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Speaker 1: because of what you've seen, but it never gets easy.

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Speaker 1: And I think for these guys, especially when you're a

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Speaker 1: big time athlete like Caleb Williams. You're used to running

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Speaker 1: away from guys being able to make plays. Being when

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Speaker 1: you make the throws on the run everything you can

549
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Speaker 1: be lining it into an area that another guy can't

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Speaker 1: make a play well. In the NFL, that guy might

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Speaker 1: be Marlin Humphrey. That guy might be jy R. Alexander.

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Speaker 1: That guy might be Ed Reed or Troy Paulamler who

553
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Speaker 1: Fred Warner who's covering your tight end? Or ro Quand

554
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Speaker 1: Smith or you name it. All these guys on all

555
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Speaker 1: the good teams can play, and all the coordinators in

556
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Speaker 1: your division on defense are good. So being humbled sometimes

557
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: in life is forced upon you when you're young. Usually

558
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: as you get older, it's pretty easy at different times

559
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: in your life to humble yourself, to take a deep breath,

560
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Speaker 1: to you know, look in the mirror. Sometimes you know

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Speaker 1: because we have perspective, been around a little bit longer.

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Speaker 1: But when you're younger and you don't really know what,

563
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Speaker 1: you don't really know. Sometimes it's fortunate it happened to Bryce,

564
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: it happened to Caleb, and you really get two options.

565
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Speaker 1: Now for Caleb, he got Ben Johnson, who This is

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Speaker 1: what's weird about this situation. And I've said this before,

567
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Speaker 1: is the pressure coming into this year? I've seen in

568
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Speaker 1: other spots and this is what happened to Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: Like the pressure was not on Shane Stiken. We've seen

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Speaker 1: Shane Sdyken. People think he's a good coach. We saw

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Speaker 1: him win games with Gardner Minshew. We saw him turn

572
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts into a high level starting quarterback. Like people

573
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Speaker 1: think Shane Stikeen knows what he's doing. It's an Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson issue. It's like when Trey Lance was thrown in

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Speaker 1: there after a while, It's like, this is not on

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. This guy can't play. I know Ben Johnson

577
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Speaker 1: can call plays. We've seen it now for years. I

578
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Speaker 1: know they had a talented offense. But his play calling,

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Speaker 1: his trickeration, his feel for it. We talk about this

580
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Speaker 1: all the time. Certain people have instincts, right, Certain people

581
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Speaker 1: are just instinctive about what they do. People it's with business.

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Speaker 1: Some people, it's with you know, Colin and just his

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Speaker 1: ability to hold a conversation and keep you engaged. Why

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Speaker 1: he's great at doing what he's doing for a living.

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Speaker 1: We see it with coaches. Some coaches. If you just

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Speaker 1: got me ten quarterback coaches in the NFL, and you

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Speaker 1: gave me a whiteboard and a sharpie, and I just said,

588
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: let's talk football, all ten of them, and I'll give

589
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Speaker 1: each of them fifteen minutes, they would all blow you away.

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00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: It would be insane. They could all get to the

591
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: levels of football where your job would be on the floor.

592
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Speaker 1: It's like, is this guy speaking Chinese? But if I

593
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Speaker 1: gave them all the same team, same weapons, same aligned,

594
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Speaker 1: same quarterback, and we played two games, each of them

595
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Speaker 1: got two games, there would be a couple of coaches

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Speaker 1: that would be dramatically better than the other at calling plays,

597
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Speaker 1: cause it is there's a feel, there's an instinct to it.

598
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Speaker 1: McVeigh has it, Kyle has it, Andy Reid's had it forever.

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00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: It's defensive coaches too, you know. And some guys aren't

600
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Speaker 1: that good at it, Like Jim Harbaugh, it's not really

601
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Speaker 1: his thing. Don't even know if he would know how

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Speaker 1: to do it. It doesn't matter. It's not what he's trying

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Speaker 1: to do. But so many of these Kevin O'Connell like,

604
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Speaker 1: they have a feel for calling plays. And you see

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Speaker 1: some coordinators that immediately get overwhelmed. And sometimes it's their

606
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Speaker 1: personnel's not great, but it's like, yeah, Luke getz, he's

607
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Speaker 1: just not good at this job. He's just not that

608
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Speaker 1: good at this job. Could he be better if he

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Speaker 1: had Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelse. He

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Speaker 1: probably would, But I think something's missing here. And I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes when it comes to a guy getting their

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Speaker 1: first job. I know, Ben Johnson can call plays, and

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Speaker 1: we saw it with Sean McVay, like the guy can

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Speaker 1: call if his quarterback could just kind of settle down,

615
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Speaker 1: and he did. And Jared Goff was awesome early on,

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Speaker 1: and that to me is the key. And this is

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Speaker 1: what Peyton and Eli talked about. CJ Stroud was up

618
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Speaker 1: there as well. I texted a buddy on the Texans

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Speaker 1: I said, God, this guy's CJ is an impressive guy.

620
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Speaker 1: He's just an impressive guy. I know he had a

621
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Speaker 1: rough season and the offensive line wasn't that good, but

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Speaker 1: when you watch him sit there with Peyton Eli and

623
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Speaker 1: you watch him talk football and leadership, you go, yeah,

624
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Speaker 1: I kind of get it. I would keep buying stocking

625
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Speaker 1: this guy. I believe might have been a year early

626
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: on my Texans bet but they're not going away. But

627
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: I think if you're Kleb, you need to learn from

628
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Speaker 1: these guys, like just get rid of the ball. Just

629
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Speaker 1: dump the ball. You can't not everyone Steph Curry and

630
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: shooting fadeaway threes. You can't always run around and try

631
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Speaker 1: to throw de pumps. And the way Jared Goff got

632
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Speaker 1: his career back on track with Ben was just getting

633
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Speaker 1: rid of the ball quick, just getting the ball out

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Speaker 1: of your hands. This is the NFL. It's a space game,

635
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Speaker 1: and a team like the Bears, just like a lot

636
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Speaker 1: of teams in the NFL, have a lot of really

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Speaker 1: good offensive skill guys. The skill top to bottom in

638
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: the on offense in the NFL has probably never been better.

639
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: There are more running backs who can catch the ball.

640
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: You know, Historically for every Ledanian, Tomlinson and Marshall Falk,

641
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: there were a lot of running backs who weren't that

642
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: great at pass catching, so you usually had third down

643
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: backs at Fox they I saw Shady. Shady was kind

644
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: of unique. He catched the ball and he could run

645
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: the ball. There were a lot of guys that struggled

646
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: catching the ball, So if you were in third and seven,

647
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: you'd yank that guy out of the game. Go around

648
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: the league right. Now, Look how many starting running backs

649
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: are excellent in the passing right? I mean, if we

650
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: consider Saquon Barkley's hands to be kind of meh, shows

651
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: you how I mean awesome. The standard is currently in

652
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: the NFL in terms of catching the ball. It's I

653
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: would say that's the quote unquote weakness of his game.

654
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Not that he has bad hands, but they're not I

655
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't say Alvin Kamara or Christian McCaffrey or something. But

656
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: my point is that is a huge element for these

657
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: young guys is to learn like it's not all on me,

658
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: because before in college a high school, it's always been

659
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: on them. Like in the pros, it is a team game.

660
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: It eventually comes all on you as you get older,

661
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: as you become, you know, a better player, But like,

662
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: make the right decision, just keep the play going forward.

663
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean a huge part of progress is just continuing

664
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: to take a step right in whatever we're doing. It's

665
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: like you never want to take step steps backwards. And

666
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I think young quarterbacks they kind of get caught up

667
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: sometimes in trying to make these crazy plays because that's

668
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: what they've done most of their career in the NFL.

669
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: You will get humbled, and you will get destroyed, and

670
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: you will get embarrassed. And in some of these cases

671
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: it can ruin your confidence and derail a career. In others,

672
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: it makes you way stronger and you come back better

673
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: and you're an awesome player. So I think the Bears

674
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna be one of the better stories in the

675
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Speaker 1: NFL coming up in twenty twenty five. Okay, let's do

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Speaker 1: a little middle Cough mail bag at John Middlecoff. At

677
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing those dms questions here

678
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Speaker 1: on the show. Just fire into my dms. This was

679
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do last week, but my

680
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: voice was just given out. So I think I've battled

681
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: back enough. We will answer your questions here. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with Brandon, short and simple. In your opinion, what is

683
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: the most devastating moment in sports history? What is the

684
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: worst decision you've ever seen as a Seahawks fan. I

685
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: think you know what my answer is be I would

686
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: say devastating moment in sports history the Malcolm Butler game

687
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl. I mean, you were part of it.

688
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: It's hard to top that. I was thinking last night

689
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: watching Tyree Saliverton. I was on a treadmill here at

690
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: the hotel, trying to get a good little sweat on,

691
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: and my jaw hit the floor because when he starts

692
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: banking on the floor and then they show the replay

693
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: and you see that kind of explosion, you tear an achilles.

694
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: And the Malcolm Butler thing that ended the Super Bowl,

695
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: so that it's hard to top that. Like if you

696
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: had torn your achilles with five minutes left of a

697
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: tai game and you have twenty ten and ten, it

698
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: would have been worse. But it looked like the Pacers

699
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: could win that game, and their star player tears his achilles.

700
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: It was crazy that the game was even close. So

701
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,959
Speaker 1: that was so There's been some injuries, you know, Drake

702
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: Greenlop popped his achilles, But when you just think about

703
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: devastating games, I don't think anything tops the Malcolm Butler situation.

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00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: If you wanted to slow bleed twenty eight to three,

705
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty tough. That'll be hard to overcome twenty

706
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: eight to three second half against the Dynasty because it's

707
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: part of who you're playing, right, So when Malcolm Butler

708
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: picks you off, you're gonna go back to back Super

709
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Speaker 1: Bowls against Belichick and Brady. What makes Eli and Tom

710
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: Coughlin so legendary is they beat those two guys like

711
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: they were the team that took down the undefeated Pats.

712
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: So part of it to who you beat. Mike Grabel recently

713
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: said these next five weeks are the most important of

714
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Speaker 1: the offseason, and it had me thinking how many players

715
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: that are put in the work before training camp or

716
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: else they might get the acts. How many of these

717
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: players rest on their laurels in vacation verst how many

718
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: are working with quarterback gurus in working with their teammates

719
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: during this period. It's a good question. I I think

720
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: if you've been in the league a little bit, you

721
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: realize how much is on the line, and you realize

722
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: you have perspective of how lucrative this is. So you

723
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: would have to be a moron not to have something

724
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: pretty set up over the course of the next five

725
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: or six weeks or however many weeks you're off to

726
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: keep your body because you're pretty dialed in right season ends,

727
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: take a little break, and then you most guys come back,

728
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: start training at the facility and are in really good

729
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: shape by last week. Well, you don't want to lose that.

730
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: You want to maintain that. Now everyone's a little bit different,

731
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: but I think most veteran guys, like if you just

732
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: went around the league, Like if I just it's Monday

733
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: to day, I'm recording this. If I just picked a

734
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: player at every position, right, Sauce Gardner, Rokewan Smith, George Kittle,

735
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, you just name it every position. I'd be

736
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: stunned if they all didn't work out today and work

737
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: out hard, right, And I think you kind of listen,

738
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: you gotta cut times where you can kind of get

739
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: after it. Fourth of July weekend maybe if you're married, vacation.

740
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: But these guys, they're not dumb. I mean, how many

741
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: professions pay a ten to twenty thirty million dollars And

742
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: once you know the thing. In the NFL, unlike the NBA,

743
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: you see a lot of guys careers end immediately. And

744
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, some of these guys I

745
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: just listed, weren't all top five ten picks. So if

746
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Speaker 1: I'm a fourth rounder and I go on to be

747
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: a multimillionaire, I watch first rounders guys I was drafted

748
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: in the class with out of the league. I watch

749
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: these guys at home that they don't work in football anymore.

750
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: Where I think guys can get humbled is the youth.

751
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: So if I'm a rookie, you know, I've always had

752
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: when I play at Alabama, when I play at Texas,

753
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: when I play at Ohio State, when I play at Michigan,

754
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't really leave campus all summer maybe for a week.

755
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: And now it's it's on me. So luckily it's like

756
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: trust me. I know with my metabolism. When you're young,

757
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: you know you can get away with it, but veterans can't.

758
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: But I also think veterans know. I know you're not

759
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: high on Shador. How does an unbiased observer not see

760
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: all the major red flags when he comes with Colin

761
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: is usually against just a backwards hat at the podium,

762
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: But think Shador is mature even though he's an arrogant,

763
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: not trying to pin you in Colin against each other.

764
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: But was wondering what you thought, Well, I talked about

765
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: is speeding last week that I in my overall take

766
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: was these cars in twenty twenty five go a lot

767
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: faster than they ever have and going ninety one hundred

768
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: miles an hour is a much smoother ride than it

769
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: would have been if you got caught in nineteen ninety

770
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Speaker 1: seven going one hundred and five miles an hour in

771
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: a Ford Explorer, Like you knew you were hauling ass.

772
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: If you're doing one hundred miles an hour in a

773
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: turbo charged ram truck, you might not even be paying attention. Now,

774
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Speaker 1: when I gave my take on that last week, I

775
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: didn't realize he had been pulled over multiple times and

776
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: was in trouble for the unpaid tickets. Now, I would

777
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: also be a hypocrite. I used to get parking tickets

778
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: in college and never pay him. It's like an f

779
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: you to the system. But they would just go to

780
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: my parents' house and my dad wanted to kill me.

781
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes when you're young, you can be

782
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: just naive and not pay attention. But once you get

783
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: pulled over and you're the quarterback, I think you should

784
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: be pretty dialed and like, yeah, maybe I knew need

785
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: to slow it down. That's where it's like my original

786
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: take was just thinking that he had been pulled over once,

787
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: he'd been pulled over twice. Not ideal, And it also

788
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: shows you like he's a fifth round pick. This isn't

789
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: a story for most guys, like if Will Howard gets

790
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: pulled over or people talking about it, you know, this

791
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: guy's lightning rods. Probably he's a polarizing He's just a

792
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: he's a headline. It's kind of like whether he's good

793
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: or bad. Like Bronnie anything Bronnie James did. It's like

794
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: Bronnie James had a taco frontpagespn dot com. It's kind

795
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: of gonna be Shadoor. Chador is not gonna be covered

796
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: like most fifth rounders. Chador is gonna be covered like

797
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: he was a top ten pick, especially once training camp starts.

798
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: In an NFL scouting department, are there certain people that

799
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: specialize in specific positions? For example, are there a small

800
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: group of guys that focus solely on scouting White House

801
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: and others that have more knowledge about the offensive and

802
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Speaker 1: defensive lines. Follow up question, what position group did you

803
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: feel you did the best? No, Like, if you are

804
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, the college scouting director, or you do the

805
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: SEC or the Big ten, you evaluate every player in

806
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: your region. So if you're the college scouting director, you

807
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: know during the season you're writing up all the top

808
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: four or five round guys and you get to the

809
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: later guys as the off season goes. If I have

810
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: like I'm in LA right now, like the year that

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Speaker 1: I did the West Coast, I had basically the Pac twelve,

812
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: the Mountain, West Colorado, and El Paso. I think any player,

813
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: any position that was draft eligible and draft double was

814
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: my responsibility. So even if you know scouting certain positions

815
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: or players is more difficult than others, you have to

816
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: learn to do it all now. When there are individuals

817
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: like I think how he has used Jason kelce before.

818
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: He would just give Jason Kelcey some offensive lineman right,

819
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: and he would let him focus and give his two

820
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: cents on what he thinks of the offensive lineman class.

821
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: There are individual situations like that, but any pure like

822
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: legitimate executive or scout is typically entrusted with doing his

823
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: entire area whoever's given to him. So it's not you

824
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Speaker 1: don't specialize in a position. I would say this, when

825
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: you work in certain organizations, you become better at evaluating

826
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: certain positions. Like in my experience, I worked at Fresno State.

827
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: We had a bunch of NFL wide receivers and an

828
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: NFL running back NFL quarterbacks and NFL offensive lignment. See,

829
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: I felt really good about offense, and then I went

830
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: to the Eagles. You know Michael Vick, Brent Selick, Shady McCoy,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Macklin, DeShawn Jackson, Jason Levant, like Jason Peters, Jason Kelcey.

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00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: You just you kind of see what high you know

833
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: defensive guys. I wasn't didn't work for the Steelers or

834
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Speaker 1: the Ravens. So you it gives you old you just

835
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Speaker 1: if you work for the Ravens, You're probably gonna get

836
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: pretty goodt evaluating defense. If you work for Andy Reid,

837
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna get pretty good evaluate offense. You know, if

838
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: you it depends who you know. People that work for

839
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: Sabing forever, like they were good at evaluating offense or defense,

840
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: and then as time change, they got good at offense too.

841
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: But you kind of have to figure it out. I mean,

842
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel best about anyone think in the secondary.

843
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: I think dB in general safety and corner is difficult.

844
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: But I would say the thing I know the least

845
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: of when it comes to the sport of football, would

846
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: just be feeling, especially now that I'm out of it,

847
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm not dialed in like this could bang out

848
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: every coverage like a coach. When you're in it, you're

849
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: a little more in tune to that stuff. And it

850
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: does matter because when you're evaluating someone, you can't be like,

851
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: well he's he's not a great man demand guy. It's like,

852
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: well he's not even being asked to do that, So

853
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: you got You kind of gotta know some defense to

854
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: truly evaluate the dB position. That's where at linebacker and

855
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: defensive line, there's so much stuff at the point of

856
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: attack that even if you don't know all the defensive responsibilities,

857
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: you can evaluate a pass rusher or a linebacker you know,

858
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: pretty easily without knowing the playbook. I'm a big Patriot

859
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: fan and have a lot of belief in Drake May.

860
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: When do you think Vrabel and May will be able

861
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: to compete with Buffalo in the division and make a

862
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: run at the playoffs? Also, being Scottsdale in the early July,

863
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: was wondering the best areas to visit. It's a good question.

864
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: This is all it's hot. I'll tell you this, bring

865
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: your swim shorts, it's going to be warm. I think

866
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: you guys can make the playoffs. This year. I think

867
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: you make the playoffs this year. I still I understand

868
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: against a lot of hype, but there'd be a lot

869
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: of pressure on Drake May. It's a big difference between

870
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: just losing these games, playing game zono matter in games

871
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that do matter. But clearly a lot of people in

872
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: the league are high on him. The coach took the

873
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: job because he's high on him. You know, I think

874
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Josh is perfectly suited to be a coordinator, clearly, And

875
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: I just think your schedule sucks. I also think your

876
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: division sucks. I think Miami's and shambles. I think that

877
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: place is a taking time bomb. I really do. If

878
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: you were saying Colin said something to Day on the

879
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: show that he's got New York, the New York Giants

880
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: would be have the number one pick. I think Miami

881
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: to have a shot. I would take the New York

882
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Giants roster over Miami Dolphins roster and a heartbeat, especially

883
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: because they're gonna trade Jalen Ramsey and who the hell

884
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: knows what happens with Tyrek Hill. If Tyreek Hill a

885
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: little older now not as fast, what if his career,

886
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had a Hall of Fame level whatever

887
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: ten plus years, like what if it's just over now?

888
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: He's never quite the same, So I think that really

889
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: benefits you. Guys. Your division sucks, so I would say,

890
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: next week or excuse me, next year, I'm picking you

891
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I've listened to your interviews with Schneider

892
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: and spy Tech. Would love to hear more of these

893
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: GMS interviews me too. Trust me, I emailed and texted

894
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and they were the two that

895
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: said yes. As I've listened to their advice and takeaways

896
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: from all the great leaders they worked in and got

897
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: me thinking about a mail back question for you. What

898
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: are some of the best lessons you learned from all

899
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: the incredible people you've worked with, people like Pat Hill,

900
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Howie Coward, keep crushing it. That's a great question.

901
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: I would say the number one thing I learned from

902
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: Pat Hill, I've never been around a human being that

903
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: took more ownership in his program. And you know, as

904
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: a college football coach, like he doesn't own the buildings,

905
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't own any of it, right, He's just an

906
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: employee of the State of California. And you would have

907
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: thought Fresno State was owned by Pat Hill every day.

908
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: He'd like make sure the doors were locked at night.

909
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: He just took so much pride in the program, so

910
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: much ownership, and I never forgot that as I've gotten older,

911
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I think as you get older and

912
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: you know you stuff is yours, whether it's like you

913
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: own to home or you know this podcast as mine,

914
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: or things that I'm associated with, I just try to

915
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: take great ownership because I look back and how much

916
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: success he had. I think he was one of the first,

917
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: if not the first, non power five millionaire coach, and

918
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: just think how much pride in ownership he took in everything.

919
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: And I would say Coach Hill, like Coach Reid, they

920
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: just they just had this gravitational pull and I got

921
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: very lucky, like they were associated with each other, they

922
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: had known each other forever that there were just two

923
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: guys that you meet him and you're like, these type

924
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: guys you want to be like in terms of the

925
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: way they treat other people and how much respect that

926
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: the people working for them have for them. It doesn't

927
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: mean they agree with everything they do, but leadership and listen,

928
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm it's something I'm fascinated by and obviously working in

929
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: the football world forever and you know, covering sports and

930
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: football and watching them from afar. Something we talk about

931
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: a lot, especially with quarterbacks, but some this we talked

932
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: about instincts with play callers, like some guys have it

933
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: or not. I think it's kind of like that with

934
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: leadership and coaches, and Pat Hill and Andy Reid just

935
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: have it like whatever that is, Like they were just

936
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: natural at the head of the table being the boss

937
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: and that's not something you can teach. And obviously Andy

938
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: just just incredible human being. I mean just I think

939
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: him and coach, he'll both have this. Just be nice

940
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: to people. Just treat people well. Some people are gonna disagree,

941
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have especially in a public job like this,

942
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna have some your moments. But just treat people well.

943
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: One thing with Howie he was relentless. I mean he

944
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: still is. I know people that still work for him.

945
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Just a relentless pursuit of just like the grind, how

946
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: do we get better? What do we do? Are we

947
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: every single rock? Are we looking under? What can we

948
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: make a move to get? Is this guy better than

949
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: what we got? And there's a balance as you get

950
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: an established team like they have now, But because you

951
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: can't just you know, cut everybody. When you know some guy,

952
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 1: it's just it gets a little more complicated. But he's

953
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: just a relentless pursuer of the business, you know. And

954
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: his ability to interact with from agents to media to

955
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: other gms, I would say second to none. He's obviously

956
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: really smart. But I would say when I think Howie

957
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: and being around Howie and still when I see him

958
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: at a combine or whatever day, just aggression. You know,

959
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: Hungry dogs eat first. That's what's something we used to

960
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: say at Fresil State. But it's true, you know, and

961
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: that motherfucker is hungry. And he's got a couple of

962
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. He makes a bunch of money. He's been

963
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: to another Super Bowl. Like, he's pretty accomplished. Most people

964
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: consider him, if not the best, one of the best

965
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: gyms in the league. You know, if he broke up

966
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: with the Eagles tomorrow, ten teams would hire him. And

967
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: he works like it's his first year on the job.

968
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: He's just kind of a I don't know, he's just grinder.

969
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: The thing I'd say about Colin is, you know, think

970
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: about it, he's I don't know, sixty years old. He's

971
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: got to the top of the mountaintop in his profession.

972
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: He made it like he accomplished it. And he's still

973
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: like create the volume, still doing podcasts on top of like,

974
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: like all I do is the podcast, and I've got

975
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: very lucky. Some people asking me, like you're able to

976
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: create a living. Well, yeah, I mean I'm doing our

977
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: podcast as well. But that's my life. I dedicate everything

978
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: I have to it. You know, the show that he

979
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: does for Fox is obviously a big vehicle for the

980
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: distribution of the podcast that I benefit from the notoriety

981
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: of him and in the brand. But he doesn't have

982
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff. I mean he was mentioned

983
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: in someone he was going to dinner with tonight. I mean,

984
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: he's just always in the pursuit. He's got a little

985
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: howie to him. You know what's next? What are we

986
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: doing next? And that's a really good quality to have

987
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: because it'd be easy and I never fault anyone once

988
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: you make it financially, once you get a little older,

989
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm good, I'm cool. I did it. And

990
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: that is not how he's wired. I actually see some

991
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: similarities with I mean, they're completely different. I would say

992
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: personalities and obviously they do different things. But him and

993
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: how he are just one hundred miles an hour, go

994
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: go go and intense, and it works. On a serious note,

995
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: since it's I can tell you're based on listening to

996
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: your pods, I've had a couple of people say you're based.

997
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: I had to google. That shows you how out of

998
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: the loop I am with some of these new terms.

999
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meant. I guess to my knowledge,

1000
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: looking it up means like unapologetic about your opinions or something.

1001
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm thirty three and I lost my father in twenty

1002
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: twenty two unexpectedly. He's my best friend. Rock always knew

1003
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: what to say, when to say it, and to ease

1004
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: my mind. The only reason I got into football and

1005
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: eventually loved the Bills was because of him. The last

1006
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: time I ever saw was the thirteen second game. That

1007
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: was devastating enough. That was bad. My question is this,

1008
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: If you feel comfortable, do you mind explaining your situation

1009
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: in what you went through in detail you want to share.

1010
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: I can tell that you have a good amount of

1011
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: guys in their twenties or listening to their pod. All

1012
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: our situations are different, However, based on the questions you

1013
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: receive that aren't football related, I can tell you value

1014
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: and look up to have to say you are relatable, authentic,

1015
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I guess are you just asking me

1016
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: to share my situation of losing my father. I remember

1017
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: hearing this a long time ago, in the way it

1018
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: does ring try. I think Scott Van Pelt's I heard

1019
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: say it is that you never truly become a man

1020
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: till your dad passes away, And it is true. It's

1021
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: it's not easy. I lost most of my grandparents relatively young,

1022
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: so you know some people I had friends that hadn't

1023
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: lost any family members really up until they got to

1024
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: like their mid to late thirties, even grandparents, so you

1025
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: see death early on. But it's a lot different when

1026
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: you lose a parent, especially a father. My dad Mina

1027
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: was pretty old school like. There was no like hugging

1028
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: and kissing in my family. I know some people. I'm

1029
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: sure I'll do that with my children. So it was

1030
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: not much talking about feelings in the sense of, hey,

1031
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: how am I trying to explain this? Turns out he

1032
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: was sick for a while and I didn't know. Now

1033
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: I knew because he was off. He just was sounded

1034
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: like a different person. He was losing a bunch of weight,

1035
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: but it's not like he announced like I have cancer. No,

1036
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble, because I don't even think he knew

1037
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: he might have, might not have. And then he started

1038
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: getting really sick and I got a call trying to

1039
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: remember one night something happened and he was in the hospital.

1040
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: Thinking it was like, you know, maybe a check up,

1041
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: old guy. My dad had me a little later in life,

1042
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: like I think he was forty two, so this is

1043
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: like in his mid seventies and moms like, you should

1044
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: probably come to the hospital. And I went to the

1045
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: hospital and it turns out that cancer had spread all

1046
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: over his body and he was basically on life support.

1047
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: And it was like, man, now, I would say, the

1048
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: year lead up to his death, he had shown it

1049
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: had just he had just deteriorated. It just didn't quite

1050
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: feel like the same guy. And there are people my

1051
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: brother was working with him at the time, and it

1052
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: was just it was just different. He just wasn't the same. Uh,

1053
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: you know. I used to talk to him once I

1054
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: left to college. I mean forever, I said, every day,

1055
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: but I talked to him a lot. He'd call me

1056
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: all the time. He just I wouldn't hear fromhim. And

1057
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he didn't have the energy,

1058
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: he just wasn't all there. Maybe he knew inside. I

1059
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: don't know if he gave through up the white flag.

1060
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, he came from a generation they weren't huge

1061
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: on like doctors because it was like showing weakness. But yeah,

1062
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say beside you go there.

1063
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: You know, he had been in poor health. But it's

1064
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: different when you show up at the hospital and they say, yeah,

1065
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: he's on life support and you've heard that term. They're like, wait,

1066
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: what does that mean. They're like, yeah, if we pulled

1067
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: the plug right now, he could not live on his own.

1068
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: Like what. And then my mom, like me and my

1069
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: brother were there. This is probably twenty eighteen, so Jeff's

1070
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight I'm thirty three. My Mom's like, well, I

1071
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: can't do it. Someone's got to do it. He's not.

1072
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's alive, but he's not really alive. So

1073
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: it happened fast. It happened fast, but it didn't really

1074
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: like I had to kind of like a year realizing

1075
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: like something's just way off. So I don't know if

1076
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: I could mentally get wrap around that, like this is

1077
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: he's just getting old, he's getting a little sick. He

1078
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: doesn't quite realize. Yeah, I don't know. It was it

1079
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: was tough, and then it's just over. So it's just

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00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: I think any piece of advice I would give to

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00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: someone who has their parents around, whether they're fifty, sixty, seventy,

1082
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: however old they are, however old you are, once you

1083
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: get to a certain age and that relationship no longer

1084
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: is like you know, you're living under their roof, and

1085
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: you know it's more of just it's almost you become

1086
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: a peer, like you share your lives together with them.

1087
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: And what's weird is they get older. Sometimes you help

1088
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: them out as they helped you out. Most of your

1089
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: life is really just value the time that you have

1090
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: with your family because it's gonna come, but you have

1091
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 1: no clue when that date is. And if you're thirty

1092
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: years old and your parents are sixty and sixty two,

1093
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: you might have twenty more great, awesome years and that

1094
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna see your children. It's gonna be sweet. And

1095
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: something unexpected could happen. Someone gets sick, someone getting an

1096
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: accident and it could end tomorrow. So anytime you get

1097
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: a chance, because once it's over, there's no god. I

1098
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: wish I could do this again with my dad. I mean,

1099
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: I remember watching. I remember watching during Christmas break. Jimmy

1100
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: Garoppolo had just been traded the Niners and they were

1101
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: playing the Jacks and Jimmy lit them up. I remember

1102
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: my dad wasn't quite even the same thing. I think

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00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: he lived another what would have been a couple more

1104
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: months after that, but I remember being on the couch

1105
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: and my parents' house sucks. Huge Knight of fan, born

1106
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: and raised in the Bay Any interesting takes on Shanahan

1107
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: obviously his top five offensive head coach in the NFL. However,

1108
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: I can't help but feel like play calling has been

1109
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: very scripted in the lack of ability in game ten adjustments.

1110
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: Because of this, the margin for error can be slim,

1111
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: as in everything in the game plan goes right, they'll

1112
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: win If ten to twenty percent of his plays don't

1113
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: work as expected, they end up in a close game

1114
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: against a team that they should destroy or lose to

1115
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: a good team they could easily beat. Will they get

1116
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: back to the NFC championship for him? This year. I

1117
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: do think we hear this a lot about coaches. I

1118
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: was watching on the plane right before the plane was

1119
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: taken off, and I was like scrolling around YouTube. I

1120
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: saw this clip of Spags talking to Kelsey Brothers and

1121
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: he was talking about all of his years around Andy,

1122
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: just about how different the offense is now from when

1123
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: he showed up with the Philadelphia Eagles in nineteen ninety

1124
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: nine he was on the original staff to what they

1125
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: do now in practice, how different the concepts are. And

1126
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: Andy's always willing to adapt. You know, Andy Reid got

1127
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: his start in the NFL with home grewn West Coast offense,

1128
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: and he's changed his offense over the years to different stuff. Now,

1129
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: Kyle's offense is never going to dramatically change. Like coach

1130
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: reads is always going to be around the past. Kyle's

1131
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: is always going to be I would say, predicated on

1132
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: the run. But you do have to look back and

1133
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: adapt and say how can we change things? And Jay

1134
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Gruden said to me this last year is he thinks

1135
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: a pure drop back passing game sucks because Kyle doesn't

1136
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: want to drop back pass game. Like it's twenty twenty

1137
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: five in the NFL. I'm sorry, guys, you gotta drop

1138
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: back and pass. You're paying a quarterback now fifty million

1139
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: dollars a year who can throw the ball. Let's let's

1140
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: let's expand a little bit, and it's it's on him.

1141
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: I think he's I admire a lot what Kyle stands for.

1142
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: Wants to shove the ball down your throat in the

1143
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: in the run game. He values defense, he values defensive lineman,

1144
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: but for some weird reason, he doesn't really value offensive lineman.

1145
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: He's admitted it. They will take skill guys over offensive lineman. Now,

1146
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: if you give him Trent Williams will take Trent Williams.

1147
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: Most guys aren't Trent Williams. We should be taking guards

1148
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: and centers and in backup tackles multiple times every draft games.

1149
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: One loss in the trenches. Just take Owen d lineman.

1150
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: If anything, Kyle should be able to create skill guys,

1151
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: but he actually views it the other way. I can

1152
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: create offensive lineman. So that would be my one philosophical

1153
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: difference with the guy is his the way he looks

1154
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: at offensive lineman. It's like, I do think that what

1155
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: his dad was able to do back in the nineties,

1156
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: the league's a lot different good teams back then might

1157
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: have had like two good defensive linemen. There are some

1158
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: teams now all four defensive linemen can pass rush. So

1159
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: if you have some shitty ass guard, he's gonna get smoked.

1160
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: I'd say NFC championship is seems a little bold, but

1161
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: I do think that they could make the playoffs. Schedules

1162
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: might have the easiest schedule in the league. I think

1163
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: statistically they do. And it's one of those that like

1164
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: because you know, some people always push back, like don't

1165
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: try to overreact to schedule in the summer. True, because

1166
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: you could have the Ravens on the schedule, and if

1167
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson rolled his ankle the game before and he

1168
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: misses it, a lot different game. Niners ain't playing the Ravens.

1169
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: Nwiers are playing a lot of the Jags and the

1170
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: Titans and the Colts in the Saints. If all things

1171
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 1: were ranked even sixteenth ranked offense, defense, head coach, middle

1172
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: of the pack for everything, and you had to choose

1173
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback for the season with the goal to

1174
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, who are your top eight choices?

1175
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: I would go Mahomes, I would go Josh Allen, and

1176
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: I would go Lamar Jackson would be my easy first

1177
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: three decisions. You know, people say that I'm I don't

1178
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: mention Burrow enough. I would take Burrow fourth out of

1179
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: that group. I think Burrow's awesome, But I think in

1180
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: these type scenarios, I would take a little bit more

1181
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: mobile guys. I would go Herbert five. I would go

1182
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, Stafford's a little older. Now. The one thing

1183
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts gives me is the running element. But who

1184
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: is coach is kind of matters. That's the thing with

1185
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: certain quarterbacks, Like what they do kind of matters. Like

1186
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: you couldn't if I put Jalen Hurts with Kyle Shanahan,

1187
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: it would not work. I mean, it just it's not

1188
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna work. So I think, what scheme you're running matters? Now?

1189
01:01:53,840 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: Could that coach play it? Stafford's a little older, cjut,

1190
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm still high on rough little year. If the offensive

1191
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: line is not great, can be humbled quick. I think

1192
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels have to be a pretty hot pick right now.

1193
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: You know, golf, if the if the offensive line sucks,

1194
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: like he's in trouble because he can't fucking move, you know,

1195
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: the GoF and the you know what, Kirk Cousins was

1196
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: four or five years ago. You give them bad offensive line,

1197
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: they're sitting duck. They just they can't move. So I

1198
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: just think what I think is great about the league

1199
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: right now is once you get past so I go Mahomes,

1200
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: Josh Lamar Burrow, Herbert Jayden, I'll go see j my

1201
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: guy party. Who am I missing? I'm in Los Angeles?

1202
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: Stafford Baker Baker. If Justin Fields doesn't work out for

1203
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: the Jets, what do you think is next for him?

1204
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: Career backup, gadget quarterback, new position, exit the NFL to

1205
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: be accommodator. It's a good question. I would imagine if

1206
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: this year goes really bad, he won't be the quarterback

1207
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: for the Jets next year, and then it's just he's

1208
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a backup. Which he played it perfectly right.

1209
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: He like was a starter, made a bunch of money

1210
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: because he was a top fifteen pick. Then he went

1211
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: to the Steelers got benched. But people are like, should

1212
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: he have been benched? And it was such a weird

1213
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: situation that some team is so desperate and they wanted

1214
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: to get rid of Aaron Rodgers so bad. They're like, here,

1215
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: here's forty million dollars thirty of a guaranteed. You're like,

1216
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: what what are we doing here? So now you got Rogers,

1217
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: or excuse me, now you got Fields of the Jets.

1218
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a disaster. It's not gonna work. I

1219
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: promise you this, It is not gonna work. I like

1220
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: Justin Fields seems like a great fucking guy, honestly wired,

1221
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: like a backup in terms of clearly a high character guy,

1222
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: team first guy. I just don't think he's good enough

1223
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: to be a starting quarterback, and I don't think the

1224
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: Jets first time head coach. I think it's gonna be weird,

1225
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: but good for him to get some money. A big fan,

1226
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: You've been a big inspiration for me. Two part question.

1227
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: You've talked about quite a bit on how you didn't

1228
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: think about not being married for so many years and

1229
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: didn't care. I'm now thirty and pretty much all my

1230
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: friends are married except for me. Have a really good

1231
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: career and a good life friend group, but feel like

1232
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm an outlier because I'm the only single one left.

1233
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: Any advice there? Football related question? What's the floor ceiling

1234
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: for the Steelers? Any hope Rogers goes Montana? Chiefs Mode?

1235
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: And leads us to the AFC Championship Game. I would

1236
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: say one thing that helped me, if I'm being completely

1237
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: honest about my late twenties even early mid thirties, I

1238
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy social. I just I was working a lot.

1239
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: My life balance was skewing, like pretty out of whack.

1240
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: So I wasn't around it that often of just being

1241
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: around my friends and their wives and their girlfriends and

1242
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: feeling out of the loop that much, I guess, so

1243
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: it's also easy for me to be like I didn't care.

1244
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't inundated with it on a weekly basis. I

1245
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: was around it enough where it's like, yeah, I would

1246
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: like that. But I also I was dead set on

1247
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do something that I don't want to

1248
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: do just because a bunch of other people do it.

1249
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: I was never gonna do that. I didn't do that.

1250
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: So I think you just got to realize, like, what

1251
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Just get married? To get married.

1252
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: You're thirty. That means you're really really young, got a

1253
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: good career going, you got good people around your life.

1254
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: You sometimes just got a I'm not the most religious guy,

1255
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: but just feel like everything's gonna work out because there

1256
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: are things in your life that are out of your

1257
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: control and you look back. I mean, if I would

1258
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: have said ten years ago what my life would be,

1259
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have believed it. So

1260
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: you just don't know how it's gonna work, and you

1261
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,959
Speaker 1: just I don't really know the dating scene in terms

1262
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: of like Internet dating DMS. However you're meeting people. I

1263
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: would just say actively date actively, try to meet people,

1264
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: be in the right head space. And I'm also a

1265
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: believer as you attract what you want. So when you

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01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: are really serious and like want to, you know, get

1267
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: into a serious relationship, you'll attract it. If you know

1268
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: successful men, if you're doing well in life, you're gonna

1269
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: be okay like you age well, I'll promise you that.

1270
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: And I would say the Steelers upside would be like

1271
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: ten to eleven games. If Rogers has a career renaissance, looks young,

1272
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: their defense is awesome, and they can run the ball.

1273
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: I could see them win eleven games in the playoff game.

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: I do think that would be on the table, and

1275
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: I think the floor would be it gets injured. He

1276
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: doesn't play that many games. I think he would have

1277
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: an injury you know you're forty one, you take a

1278
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: big hit, think about we can make fun of, Like

1279
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 1: how bad the Bengals defense was last year. I still

1280
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 1: feel like they hit hard. We know the Ravens hit hard.

1281
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett said he's trying to fucking end his career

1282
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: essentially in a nice way. Buckle up, Buttercup, because people

1283
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: are gonna be coming for you. A year back, you

1284
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: mentioned Arizona and thought it was a really scenic Do

1285
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: you recall the name of the lake. I've been to

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: Arizona once for my bachelor party, to Scottsdale and Sedona,

1287
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: and was a big fan of the desert geography in

1288
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: the mountains in the northern part of the state, along

1289
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: with the lake. Any cities in northern Arizona you would

1290
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: recommend Prescott, Flagstaff. I have not been to Prescott. I

1291
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: have not even been to Sedona yet. Flagstaff is sweet.

1292
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: The lake I went to, I think was Pine Lake.

1293
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: I could be screwing that up. We were just there

1294
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: for a couple of days where he was looking at

1295
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: some future client that ended up not working out. But

1296
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean when I see the lake, I mean it

1297
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: was solid. I wouldn't call it lake Tahoe or anything.

1298
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: Flagstaff's cool. Uh, Sedona, I mean I've everyone that goes

1299
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: there loves it. But yeah, it's it's a unique. It's

1300
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's the mountains and Northern South sale are

1301
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: hard to beat. One of my favorite plays in the world. Uh,

1302
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: when you were in your late teens and early twenties,

1303
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: who was your favorite player in each sport? Major League Baseball,

1304
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 1: NFL and NBA Baseball is easy Berry Bonds NFL early twenties.

1305
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: Probably Peyton Manning. That would have been late teens, you know,

1306
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: late nineties, early two thousands. I love Peyton Manning. NBA.

1307
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't really think I had it. I mean I

1308
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: loved Michael Jordan when I was a kid. I think

1309
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: I really had a favorite NBA player. Then I hated

1310
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: Kobe because I hated the Lakers, and I still do.

1311
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate the Lakers. I respect the brand,

1312
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: I respect how expensive it is, how big their fan

1313
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: base is. I mean they do have like it's a

1314
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: real deal. But I fucking hate them, I really do.

1315
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: I hated Kobe and then he retired and I remember

1316
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: watching all these things. I'm like, I like everything about

1317
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: this guy had a weird relationship because I'm kind of

1318
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: a nomadic NBA guy in the nineties, loved Michael Jordan.

1319
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: Bulls were my team, but I lived close Sacramento and

1320
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: then they got good and I was like, Ah, this

1321
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: team's sweet. But then they couldn't be the Lakers. That's

1322
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: when my Laker hate really started. And then I was

1323
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: around Stephan Clay doing stuff in the Bay and I

1324
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: fell in love with that team. I'm like an NBA player,

1325
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: just a nomad Ai Alan Iverson baby currently watching you

1326
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: on the Herd and this is awesome. Congrats. Can you

1327
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: give us behind the scenes of what it was like.

1328
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: How did Colin ask you? Were you nervous being live?

1329
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: How much prep loved the podcast. I talked about this

1330
01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast that I wasn't nervous.

1331
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not like auditioning. I'm not trying to get a job.

1332
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: So I look at it like, hey, you asked he

1333
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: could ask me to do anything. At this point, what

1334
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: he's done for my life in my career, I would

1335
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: say yes. And two, I'm not going into a situation

1336
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: where I don't. I feel like I when I do

1337
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: a podcast with him. One I've watched a show or

1338
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: listen to a show for decades now, so I kind

1339
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 1: of know the way ticks, I know the way he thinks.

1340
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: I've watched definitely last week the show a little more intently.

1341
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll have it on my office and like the

1342
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: cadence of him and Jason, like today is about I'm

1343
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: sitting in Jason Seed. So I got to know, like

1344
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: when I'm supposed to talk and you have people helping

1345
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: you out, it wasn't that intense because you have a

1346
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: lot of help. You have people to kind of tell

1347
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: you what you're doing. And I've done television, you know,

1348
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: when I first started in the Bay Area, I started

1349
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: doing television in like local TV. So I've had ear

1350
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: pieces in, I've been, you know, in a button up shirt,

1351
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: was a makeup on my head sitting on a studio.

1352
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: So it's not like something I've never done. And then

1353
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: my chemistry or just working with Colin. I mean, think

1354
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: how many shows we've done now the last three or

1355
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: four years. For the volume on Sundays I've done, I

1356
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: can I would imagine one hundred plus podcasts with him,

1357
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: and most of our podcasts fifty minutes to an hour.

1358
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: So I've just done a lot. It wasn't It's the

1359
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: first time I'd ever done that, sat in this seat

1360
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: and done that for the show. But it wasn't that difficult,

1361
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: just because I've done so many things with him. I

1362
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: followed him his entire career. I kind of know his

1363
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: takes and know how to get him to get a

1364
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: little laugh. So I think this is also if I

1365
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: had never done anything and you just sat me there,

1366
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: I would have been sweating bullets. I remember the first

1367
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: time I went on television in the Bay Area, it

1368
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: was very nervous. I can never been on television, not

1369
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: saying I'm great or anything, but I just I wasn't

1370
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: nervous at all. End of the damn A podcaster like

1371
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: this is this is my job, and I love it.

1372
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: I feel very, very fortunate I'm able to do it.

1373
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: In a weird way, there's not as much pressure when

1374
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: you do this right, Like I'm just in a hotel

1375
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: room right now recording this, and this is how I

1376
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: pay my bills. But when you do this every single day,

1377
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: especially me, I'm it's just me in front of the

1378
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: mic most of the time. Every once in a while,

1379
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,560
Speaker 1: we have, you know, John Schneider, John spy take, no

1380
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: big deal. But Joe Klatt hit me back, said he

1381
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: was just super busy, but we'll get him on. I

1382
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: got a couple other guys that I said, they'll come on.

1383
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: But you just get used to doing this, so you

1384
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: just feel pretty comfortable with a mic and looking at

1385
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: yourself and talking. So it's one of those situations where

1386
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: they say this a lot in any line of work.

1387
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: The reps, the reps, the reps, It doesn't matter. The

1388
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: more reps you do it something, the more comfortable you're doing.

1389
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: I saw Keegan Bradley you Love have a Go Low

1390
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: podcast tomorrow. He won the tournament yesterday and he knocked

1391
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: out Tommy Fleetwood on the eighteenth toll and he said,

1392
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: is in the eighteenth toll, he hit a shot. He

1393
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: knocked it like six seven feet and he said, I've

1394
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: hit that exact same shot on the range one hundred

1395
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: thousand times. So when I stepped over the shot, I'm

1396
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: very comfortable doing it. I've done it one hundred thousand times.

1397
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: And when people ask me all the time, like hey,

1398
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: I want to get into podcasting, I want to get

1399
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: into this, you just got to start because even when

1400
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: you're doing it and I've done a lot of podcasts.

1401
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: I had another podcast as well, and I've done this podcast.

1402
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: Before we got on the volume, the people didn't listen

1403
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: to maybe people definitely people didn't see. But those reps

1404
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: and putting together a show and talking and just being

1405
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: there by yourself and having to do the content and

1406
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: having to create something semi interesting even if twenty few,

1407
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: whether twenty people are listening, twenty thousand people are listening

1408
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: tow hunred thosand people are listening or today hundreds of

1409
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: thousand people are watching. Like every rep builds you up

1410
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: to a position where you can sit in the seat

1411
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: and just like do it. If I had to talk

1412
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: to Tom Brady tomorrow, right and you just had to

1413
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 1: sit down with Tom Brady for an hour do an interview,

1414
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: would I be a little intimidated, sure, tom Brady never

1415
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: met the guy. But would I be pretty comfortable after

1416
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: a couple questions in yeah, because this is what you do.

1417
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: So I think you get a situation like that, and

1418
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,959
Speaker 1: again I'm just I look at it like I'm doing him.

1419
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: He's doing me a favor by everything he's done for me.

1420
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: So when he asked me to do something, my first

1421
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: answer is yes, I just not even like how much

1422
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: are getting paid? I don't know, but yeah, here's have

1423
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: this guy email me and you need me to buy

1424
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: my plane fly. I would have paid to come here.

1425
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: I would have paid to fly out here and to

1426
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: put myself out of a hotel, just what I feel

1427
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: I owe the guy before he's done for my life. Instead,

1428
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: they're putting me at the front of the bird the god.

1429
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: He's living pretty nice in Delta. I never fly Delta Airlines,

1430
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: but when you do, you're like, oh, that's pretty nice.

1431
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: We'll talk about him. Fugazi Friday, I wrote this down

1432
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: plain why five man. The best wife I've ever had

1433
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: on a plane was JSX because they used Starlink and

1434
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: the Wi Fi was elite. These other planes you talk

1435
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: about a fugazi. Okay, last question, big fan of the Pod,

1436
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your take on the Kevin

1437
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: Durant being traded to the Rockets. You know, it's funny

1438
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: and it's sad. I mean, I mentioned this today with Colin.

1439
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: I grew up twenty twenty five minutes away from Marco Arena,

1440
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: where the Sacramento Kings played, and when I was in

1441
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: junior high high school, they got really good and it

1442
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: became a really big deal. And when you have a

1443
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: team in a smaller town, you know, the Bay Area

1444
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: has obviously the Warriors, but they had the Giants, the A's,

1445
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,560
Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Niners. There's a lot going on. Look

1446
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: at LA. You get some of these markets where there's

1447
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: just so many teams. When you have a place like

1448
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City or Sacramento with their basketball team, it's a really,

1449
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: really big deal. And I remember looking back on the

1450
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: devastation when Sack couldn't get over the hump against the Lakers.

1451
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: It was like it hurt the town and looking back,

1452
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: they never recovered. But I do appreciate smaller markets in

1453
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: these situations. And sometimes it's a smaller market you get

1454
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: lucky like the Warriors, or excuse me, the Warriors are

1455
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 1: not a small market. They used to be a low

1456
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: budget team, but they're not a small market team. They're

1457
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: a big market. I mean, they've turned into like I

1458
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: would say, the Northern Californsian Fournia version of the of

1459
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: the Lakers. But that's Steph Curry. The Lakers brand is

1460
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: bigger than the Warriors brand. But you know what I mean,

1461
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: And the Kings got Chris Webber traded to them in

1462
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: the late nineties when he got caught getting high in

1463
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: a parking lot or something. The Wizards just punted on him.

1464
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: When Tyre's Halliburton tore his achilles in whatever five seven

1465
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: minutes into the game, pattern are a little lucky that

1466
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: he's on their team. The Kings are such a fucking joke.

1467
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: They just traded to him. Terrors Achilles not only doesn't

1468
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: devastate because you can't win the NBA Championship, but that

1469
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: could change the course of his career. That was their

1470
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to potentially win a championship, and now it's like,

1471
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: who knows they ever get back. And you see Oklahoma City, like,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I was kind of bored. They don't

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01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: do much for me, but I do appreciate how cool

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: it is for their city. Yet in Game seven, when

1475
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: they were the day that they were ended up winning

1476
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: the NBA Championship, how ironic was it that it feels

1477
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: like Kevin Durant stole the show because Kevin Durant. It's weird.

1478
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: It is just a bigger deal than the Oklahoma City

1479
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: Thunder and a huge reason he's a big deal is

1480
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: because he became a superstar while he played for the

1481
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder and I went to those games. I

1482
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: went to games one, two, five, and seven in the

1483
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals. The year the Warriors ended up losing

1484
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: to Cleveland in Game seven in the in the NBA Championship,

1485
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: but that was the year that Clay had Game six

1486
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,839
Speaker 1: and the Warriors came back three to one on the Thunder,

1487
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking, like, this Thunder team looks incredible.

1488
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: They are so good, and Kevin and Russell they were

1489
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: just so badass. And for whatever reason he goes to

1490
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: the Warriors. I don't blame him. He didn't want to

1491
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: play with Russell Westbrook anymore. But after that Warrior situation,

1492
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: he's a special player. But it feels like these last

1493
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: five or six years have kind of just been wasted.

1494
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: Obviously had a torn achilles in one of them, but

1495
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and Phoenix. I mean, listen, I've been in the

1496
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: Scottsdale area now for whatever three four years. It's a

1497
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: good sports down because there are a lot of people

1498
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 1: that love sports, they just don't like those sports teams.

1499
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: Most people are like Vikings fans, Bulls fans, Chiefs fans,

1500
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: Niner fans. Everyone I know love sports, they just don't

1501
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: care about really the Phoenix teams. Just I think that

1502
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: brand's kind of dead there, I really do. And he

1503
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: wanted to go there as a cool play, but feels

1504
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: like he's kind of wasted last couple of years and

1505
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 1: now he's going to Houston, who, in theory should be

1506
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: perfectly suited for him. I don't know. He's thirty seven,

1507
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: he gets injured a lot. I'd be stunned if I mean,

1508
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,719
Speaker 1: it just does feel like it's not gonna end. Well,

1509
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of money. I know. He always

1510
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: says I loved Hoop. I loved Hoop. It's like, well,

1511
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: do you really like or do you just like to

1512
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: hoop your way? Because some of your ideas. I think

1513
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: he's got great ideas, like some people like he's he's

1514
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: creatively great once the basketball is in his hands, but

1515
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: like as when he becomes the GM of himself, like

1516
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: where should I play? Who should I play with? What

1517
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: should I do? I think that's where he needs people

1518
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: in his life to be like yeah, you know, it's

1519
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: like the director, like when a guy's like banging out

1520
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: a record, be like, yeah, I think those three songs

1521
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: should not make the album. I'd put those two songs.

1522
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that guy he's because everyone's working for him.

1523
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of people just tell him, Oh yeah, Ike,

1524
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: have a great idea, Oh hell yeah, Kevin. I think

1525
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: they just got into the spot of like couldn't get

1526
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: out of his own way because he could have been

1527
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: a player. The Kyrie Brooklyn thing, I mean that was crazy.

1528
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: Even the Phoenix thing, that was pretty crazy. The Houston thing,

1529
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I had to guess right now,

1530
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: I'll probably like, go the second round next year and

1531
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: be done. Go the second round a couple times, be

1532
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: a highly paid guy, but i'd be if I was

1533
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: a betting man. Right now. Does Kevin Durant win another title?

1534
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: And that's what's crazy about sports. The Patriots did not

1535
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: win a championship when they had Randy Boss and the

1536
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: greatest offense of all time, and then their dynasty restarted

1537
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: when Julian Edelman became their best wide receiver and a

1538
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: bunch of other random guys through out. So it's like

1539
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: the Kevin Durant Russell Westbrook team. If you played a

1540
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: seven game series of that team in their peak against

1541
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: this Thunder team, I think I'd take Kevin Kadi's team,

1542
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: Yet they never won a title and this team, shit,

1543
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: they might. If you're a betman, they probably win like

1544
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: two of the next three. Sports Man, you never know

1545
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: the volume