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Speaker 1: Welcome to New World Podcasts on the iHeart podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I think that we may be surprised by how things

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Speaker 1: develop over the next couple months. My sense is that

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Speaker 1: the logjam in Congress is beginning to break. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: shock me. You know, all these folks, four hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty five House members, one hundred senators, they put their

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Speaker 1: name on the line, They campaign in some cases for

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Speaker 1: two years or more. They raise and spend a ton

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Speaker 1: of money, They endure nasty attacks from their opponents, they

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Speaker 1: endure nasty attacks from the news media, and finally they

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Speaker 1: get to Congress. They don't want to spend the rest

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Speaker 1: of their life doing nothing. That wasn't why they ran.

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Speaker 1: They ran because whether they're liberal or conservative, whether they're

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Speaker 1: And I think as we've watched the gridlock and the

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Speaker 1: nastiness and government shut downs and all the different examples

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Speaker 1: of dysfunction, I think gradually a lot of the members

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Speaker 1: in both parties, and in both the House and the

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Speaker 1: Senate are growing tired of not getting something done. To

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Speaker 1: see sort of glimmerings you see various members on a

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Speaker 1: bipartisan basis talking about issues, talking about new legislation, developing

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Speaker 1: some ability to get in a room and listen to

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Speaker 1: each other. You see some of it happening and trying

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Speaker 1: to solve the current dilemma in the Senate, where there

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Speaker 1: are now apparently real conversations underway between Democrats and Republicans

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Speaker 1: on what to do about getting TSA paid and the

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Speaker 1: Coastguard paid, and breaking out of this very long shutdown

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Speaker 1: as it affected the Department of Homeland Security. You're seeing

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Speaker 1: other ideas begin to emerge where people are looking around

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Speaker 1: and saying, wait a second, everybody back home once is done,

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Speaker 1: why can't we find some way to work together. So

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be at all surprised this summer to see

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Speaker 1: a whole range of legislation come pouring through, not all

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Speaker 1: of it gigantic, not all of it historic, but building

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Speaker 1: blocks steps in the right direction, improvements. And I think

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Speaker 1: that the mood in the Congress now is that voting

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Speaker 1: yes rather than voting no would be really nice to do. Now.

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Speaker 1: I've lived through this myself, after all, in the twenty

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Speaker 1: years I was in Congress, we were in the minority

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Speaker 1: for sixteen. During the period I was in the minority,

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Speaker 1: we had eight years of Reagan, two years of Jimmy Carter,

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Speaker 1: four years of George H. W. Bush, and then two

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Speaker 1: years of Bill Clinton. So we had both Democrats and Republicans,

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Speaker 1: and we had to try to find some way to

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Speaker 1: work together to be in a position to get something done,

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Speaker 1: and we passed a lot of things. The Americans with

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Speaker 1: Disabilities Act, for example, was a bipartisan effort that came

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Speaker 1: to do something to micate better for people with disabilities.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that it's possible that you go

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Speaker 1: through periods where people just really do have a deep

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Speaker 1: sense of let's instead of finding things to disagree, what

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Speaker 1: if we got up in the morning to find things

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Speaker 1: that we can agree on. We used to teach our

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Speaker 1: members to learn how to say yes if rather than no,

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Speaker 1: because just to get them in a rhythm of being positive.

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Speaker 1: So if somebody had an idea, your job was to

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Speaker 1: say yes, we could do that if, rather than say no,

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Speaker 1: we can't do that. Because the difference psychologically was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's happened a lot of

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Speaker 1: members have now been there long enough that they're sort

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Speaker 1: of talking to each other again. You know, we went

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Speaker 1: through a period when I was there when members routinely

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Speaker 1: you'd put half Republican, half Democrat. They'd fly around together.

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Speaker 1: They'd talk to each other, they get to know each other.

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Speaker 1: When I was speaker, we did events at Hershey Park,

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Speaker 1: we did events at the National Zoo, just trying to

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Speaker 1: get families together to talk to each other, to learn something.

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Speaker 1: Long before I was there, when Bob Michael was the

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Speaker 1: Republican leader from Illinois and Danny Rostenkowski was the chairman

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Speaker 1: of the Ways and Means Committee, they would drive back

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Speaker 1: something done. Now, my sense is we're beginning a little

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Speaker 1: bit to drift back towards that that doesn't mean it's

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Speaker 1: true of everybody. You're going to have some conservatives who

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Speaker 1: my optimistic view about where we are coming up. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the Stop Insider Trading Act proposed

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Speaker 1: by Congress and Brian's Style, Chairman of the Committee on

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Speaker 1: House Administration. I am really pleased to welcome my guests.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Brian's Style. He has represented Wisconsin's first congressional district

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Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen, and since twenty twenty three, he has

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Speaker 1: served as the Chairman of the Committee on House Administration.

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Speaker 1: In January, Chairman Style introduced the Stop Insider Trading Act,

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Speaker 1: which will prohibit members of Congress, their spouses and dependent

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Speaker 1: children from purchasing publicly traded stock. Congresson Style will welcome

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Speaker 1: and thank you for joining.

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Speaker 2: Me on newts world speak, your Engrish, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the polling, eighty six percent of

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Speaker 1: Americans say members of Congress should not be trading individual stocks.

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Speaker 1: That's Democrats, Republicans, Independents all agreeing on something that almost

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Speaker 1: never happens. What do you think is behind this level

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Speaker 1: of frustration.

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Speaker 3: I think it's popular because it's such common sense that

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Speaker 3: members of Congress should not be day trading, true eading

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Speaker 3: individual shares of stock, even to prevent the appearance of

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Speaker 3: an impropriety. And so we all know members of Congress

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Speaker 3: that come to Washington have some level of inside information.

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Speaker 3: Insider trading is already illegal but difficult to prove. And

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Speaker 3: so my solution is, let's just stop members of Congress

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Speaker 3: process of regaining the American trust. And I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of Americans are suspicious for a whole host of reasons.

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Speaker 3: And the easy answer here is, let's just wholesale stop

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Speaker 1: You're clearly on the American people side. There was a

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three survey by the University of Maryland School

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Speaker 1: of Public Policy which said that eighty six percent of

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Speaker 1: Americans support banning members of Congress from trading individual stocks.

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Speaker 1: That included eighty eight percent of Democrats, eighty seven percent

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Speaker 1: think when you had that size consensus, it ought to

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Speaker 3: Things that should be easy in Washington are often things

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Speaker 3: that are not easy in Washington. Although with this, I

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Speaker 3: think we're really building the momentum that's ultimately going to

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Speaker 3: be needed. President Trump called this out in his State

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Speaker 3: of the Union by name, saying, we need to pass

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Speaker 3: this specific piece of legislation. We have growing bipartisan support

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Speaker 3: in the House, and we have a commitment from the

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Speaker 3: make sure that we're balancing two things, one regaining the

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Speaker 3: that individuals that come from successful business backgrounds are still

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Speaker 3: able to come and serve in Congress. We're benefited by

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Speaker 3: having an array of people that come and serve with

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Speaker 3: continue to build support for this legislation. We're seeing growing

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Speaker 3: support in the United States Senate Senator Pete Ricketts introduced

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Speaker 3: this recently in a growing number of sen are joining

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Speaker 3: to make one of the most transformative changes in the

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Speaker 3: As you noted in some of the polling are unquestionably

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Speaker 3: suspicious as to what's going on, and the easy answer

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Speaker 3: is just to ban it outright.

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Speaker 1: Is the Ricketts Bill, also called Stop Inside Trading.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's the full companion bill to this legislation that

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Speaker 3: we started in the House a handful of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: He's been a great partner in the Senate, and I

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Speaker 3: the line. And that momentum really picked up when President

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Speaker 3: Trump in his State of the Union said he wants

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Speaker 1: Although I spent twenty years in Congress, I was really

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Speaker 1: surprised to read that almost one out of every five

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Speaker 1: lawmakers trade stocks connected to the committee they serve on

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Speaker 1: to be such a insult to the average American, even

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Speaker 1: if it's technically legal, the idea that you're serving on

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Speaker 1: doing in this sense is looking right at a major

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Speaker 3: In twenty twelve, Congress passed the Stock Act, and that

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Speaker 3: legislation was a step forward and brought additional transparency is

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Speaker 3: to the types of investments that members of Congress own,

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Speaker 3: But what it didn't do was actually prevent members of

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Speaker 3: transparency that was passed in twenty twelve was obviously a

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Speaker 3: the Stop Insider Trading Act, closes that gap and does

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Speaker 3: a financial perspective, And so let's clean the whole thing up.

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Speaker 3: Let's tell the American people members of Congress aren't trading

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Speaker 3: stocks in their own personal interest. If an individual wants

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Speaker 3: to trade stocks, there's a place for that.

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Speaker 2: It's called Wall Street.

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Speaker 3: If you want to come to Washington, that's where you

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Speaker 3: come to serve the American people. And our bill truly

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Speaker 3: bifurcates those two things so that we prevent the suspicion

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Speaker 3: that the American people have is to what's going.

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Speaker 2: Up in Washington.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are frustrated with how

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Speaker 1: Well, I noticed that the reform law they passed in

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, known as the Stock Act, at one level

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Speaker 1: is almost silly. It provides for a two hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: fine if you're a serious investor and you just made

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Speaker 1: some kind of deal off of insider knowledge, A two

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars fine is irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're exactly right, and the irony of that is

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Speaker 3: it's uniquely irrelevant for large trades. So if an individual

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Speaker 3: is trading fifty dollars of stock and there was a

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Speaker 3: two hundred dollars penalty, now that's reasonably significant. But of course,

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Speaker 3: if an individual trade fifty million dollars of stock, a

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Speaker 3: two hundred dollars penalty is functionally irrelevant. And so what

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Speaker 3: we did in our legislation is we looked at that

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Speaker 3: put forward a fine of two thousand dollars or ten

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Speaker 3: with some real and substantive teeth. So even if an

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Speaker 2: This is really building up momentum.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, we're going to discuss how the Same America

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Speaker 3: And the importance of putting this on the floor of

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Speaker 1: What you're doing, I think is important, but you're also

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Speaker 1: doing something else which is really meddling, and which I

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Speaker 3: Then, well, I think the entire spending process in Washington

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Speaker 3: while countless American workers are required to show up to

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Speaker 3: And if I think in my legislation passed, we moved

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Speaker 3: Administration is ready for floor action. The Senate is moving

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Speaker 3: through Senator Kennedy's legislation on this. If we pass this

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Speaker 3: all right, let's get everybody in the room, let's sit down,

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Speaker 3: And the American people are sick and tired of watching

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Speaker 3: And I think this is a really important step in

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Speaker 1: I do think people have this sense of profound unfairness

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Speaker 1: They're not getting paid, but the people whose failure to

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Speaker 1: in that sense, in recent years, as we've gotten into

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Speaker 1: as the others. I have to say, Brian, you come

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Speaker 3: I think there is a Wisconsin tradition of making sure

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Speaker 3: I think there is a broad frustration across the country

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Speaker 3: And there is a tradition from my home state of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: In this regard. I gained the chairmanship and the Committee

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Speaker 3: of House Administration, which sets up legislation in this avenue.

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Speaker 3: It gives me the opportunity to come in on election integrity,

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Speaker 3: where we have jurisdiction on withholding member pay. I'm preventing

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Speaker 3: members from trading stock and coming in and putting real

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Speaker 3: teeth into the institution. Sometimes that doesn't make me the

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Speaker 3: most popular person in Washington. DC, and I'm just fine

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Speaker 3: with that. I'm more excited at friends in Wisconsin than

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Speaker 3: to be cleaned up. There's real substance of problems with

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Speaker 1: You know, in a lot of ways, you remind me

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Speaker 1: It has that same Wisconsin focus on good government and

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Speaker 1: I suspect when you have lunch or breakfast, must have

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Speaker 2: We absolutely do.

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Speaker 3: And the irony is both of us came from a

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Speaker 3: we look at Washington and we look at a lot

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Speaker 3: of legislation, in particular how we spend money. I think

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Speaker 3: almost no one from any ideological perspective would say, Man,

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Speaker 3: this is a well oiled machine that's working well, that's

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Speaker 3: and look at the system and the process that.

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Speaker 2: You're engaged in.

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Speaker 3: In his that part of the problem, and I would

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Speaker 3: say absolutely yes, And some of these reforms go back

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Speaker 3: at that core process. How do we fix the incentive

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Speaker 3: structure to get a better product. In the end, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of in the weeds, but it's also I think

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Speaker 3: really important that we do it. That we reform this

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Speaker 3: system so that the ultimate legislation is being passed, in

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Speaker 3: particular on the spending side or other critical pieces of

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Speaker 1: I think the average politician would be shocked to learn

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Speaker 1: how deep and how bipartisan the support is for profound reforms. Brian,

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to encourage you to keep pushing

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Speaker 1: and keep fighting, keep thinking of more reforms. Hopefully we'll

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Speaker 1: the next wave of billsipsis and I want to encourage

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Speaker 1: everybody to contact their senator and their House member and

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Speaker 1: encourage them to bring up and vote on these bills.

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Speaker 1: They're very important and there are big building blocks or

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Speaker 1: want to thank you both for your leadership and for

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Speaker 1: joining me today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your rich.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm pleased to introduce a new segment to

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Speaker 1: newts World where I answer listeners questions. To ask a question,

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Speaker 1: please email me at newt at gingistre sixty dot com.

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Speaker 1: Logan from Bighamton, New York, home of the Speedy Sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Ask China has been conducting more aggressive movements near Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: Is the United States prepared if China strikes well? The

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Speaker 1: operation in Iran is ongoing well, Logan. I think it'd

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Speaker 1: be fair to say that we would be stretched very thin,

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Speaker 1: but that we would still have enormous capability, and that

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Speaker 1: with the new Japanese Prime Minister having moved very aggressively

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Speaker 1: to shift the Japanese defense system towards containing China, that

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Speaker 1: it would be a very high risk for the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist to try to invade Taiwan, and as you may know,

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Speaker 1: the Director of National Intelligence said publicly the other day,

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Speaker 1: against Taiwan in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: So my guess is for the moment, we can afford

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Speaker 1: to focus on Iran and then see what happens. Adrian

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Speaker 1: from Memorial, Texas asked, mister speaker, I would like your

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Speaker 1: and how his decisions in Iran compare to previous presidents. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: how will this perception of his foreign policy decision affect

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Speaker 1: the mid term elections. What do you believe the correct

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Speaker 1: messaging strategies? Adrian, Those are two very good questions. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I think the president broke with what had

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Speaker 1: grow stronger, to develop nuclear weapons, to develop missiles. And

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Speaker 1: Trump decided that he'd had enough of it, that in fact,

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Speaker 1: in the long run, that was a road to disaster,

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Speaker 1: clear yet whether or that's going to work. The Iranians

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Speaker 1: have been preparing for this for almost a half century.

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Speaker 1: They're going to do everything they can to push us back.

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Speaker 1: But the President so far has indicated a real willingness

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Speaker 1: actually a coalition being built that would take the Strait

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Speaker 1: of Hormuz and protect it, that would reopen everything for

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Speaker 1: to the collapse of the dictatorship. We'll see how it

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Speaker 1: who literally chants death to America on a regular basis,

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Speaker 1: who's very clearer that they in fact want to destroy us,

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Speaker 1: so defeating the religious dictatorship allowing the Iranian people to

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Speaker 1: he will truly be a historic figure of the first order.

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Speaker 1: It's a big gam but he's working at it, and

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Speaker 1: so far, at least, you have to give him credit

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Speaker 1: that he's done more to change your ran than any

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Speaker 1: president since nineteen seventy nine, when the dictatorship took over.

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