Speaker 1: Hi all, we have some exciting news to share. EBC
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Speaker 1: people involved, you will hear from people who have never
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Speaker 2: Stacy has pulled herself out of a complete nightmare. I
Speaker 2: can't even imagine finding this out. If it would have
Speaker 2: been my son, my husband wouldn't be here, it would
Speaker 2: have been no trial too. Pear on myself.
Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, Season three, Episode eight,
Speaker 1: No More More Secrets. In nineteen thirty one, the citizens
Speaker 1: of Writing, Pennsylvania were upset because their courthouse, originally built
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty, was going to be demolished. It was
Speaker 1: to be replaced by a new, more modern building, a
Speaker 1: huge granite and limestone structure with tall vertical windows. The
Speaker 1: budget for the new courthouse was two million dollars, which
Speaker 1: is about forty three million in today's money. The building
Speaker 1: would be nineteen stories high in both sixteen courtrooms. It
Speaker 1: was completed in nineteen thirty two, and nearly one hundred
Speaker 1: years later, that same brooks Coning Courthouse stands today. This
Speaker 1: is where Justin Rutherford would face the final chapter of
Speaker 1: justice on Tuesday, February sixth, twenty twenty four. He would
Speaker 1: be called to account for criminal solicitation to commit murder
Speaker 1: in the degree it was time to pay for the
Speaker 1: plot to kill Tyler. In the vastness of the courtroom,
Speaker 1: Justin looked small. He was dwarfed by the space and
Speaker 1: by the judge looking down on him from the bench above.
Speaker 1: It was a stark contrasted Justin's last appearance in court.
Speaker 1: There were no reporters and no crowds, just rows and
Speaker 1: rows of empty benches. There were only four spectators. The
Speaker 1: prosecutor had irrefutable evidence for her case, a jail house
Speaker 1: informant had assisted law enforcement, and Justin was caught on
Speaker 1: tape explaining the best time and method to kill Tyler.
Speaker 1: It's what one might call a slam dunk. The prosecutor
Speaker 1: had been hoping to reach a plea agreement, but it
Speaker 1: appeared that Justin wanted to go to trial based on
Speaker 1: the letters he had sent from jail and the absurd
Speaker 1: speeches he had given during his sentence sing. I can
Speaker 1: imagine the fantasy. He'd like a defense at need to
Speaker 1: stand up like he's in a TV show and enumerate
Speaker 1: Justin's many wonderful qualities. He's a great dad, a good provider,
Speaker 1: loved by his patients, and the judge would say, this
Speaker 1: is a misunderstood man and a doctor. No less, this
Speaker 1: is a miscarriage of justice. Maybe this time someone would
Speaker 1: get it. He wanted a trial, he wanted someone to
Speaker 1: say the words not guilty.
Speaker 3: So a few.
Speaker 1: Days before the trial, it was looking like he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to make a plead deal until he did.
Speaker 3: I still had to show up just in case at
Speaker 3: the last minute he would have threw a Hail Mary
Speaker 3: and said, no, I'm not signing this. I want a trial.
Speaker 3: The district attorney said that we would have went directly
Speaker 3: into one. So to my knowledge, all of the witnesses
Speaker 3: were there. The guy that was the informant, I think
Speaker 3: he was there.
Speaker 1: Based on the transcripts we've re enacted some of the
Speaker 1: court proceedings from the hearing.
Speaker 4: Your honor, we are here in the matter of commonwealth
Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania versus Justin Rutherford Docket seven sixty six. We
Speaker 4: were listed for jury trial for today. However, the defendant
Speaker 4: has completed paperwork for a guilty plea today.
Speaker 1: Stacy MICHAELA and a victim advocate sat behind the prosecutor's
Speaker 1: table in Courtroom five A. A familiar person sat behind Justin.
Speaker 3: It was just Nanny. She was the only one that
Speaker 3: went to the first case on his behalf to That's
Speaker 3: just kind of how she is. I mean, when it
Speaker 3: comes to him, there's really nothing that she won't do
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 1: Justin sat in the far corner of the courtroom as
Speaker 1: prosecutor Meg McCallum laid out the details of the case.
Speaker 4: Between October two of twenty twenty two and January sevente
Speaker 4: teenth of twenty twenty three, the defendant did solicit an
Speaker 4: inmate who was also in prison at the Burkes County
Speaker 4: Jail System, who was going to be released from prison
Speaker 4: prior to the defendant being sentenced. He asked him to
Speaker 4: kill Tyler, a male juvenile who is the victim. At
Speaker 4: Dockett three seven five to two of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: where the defendant did plead guilty and was sentenced for
Speaker 4: rape of a child in other related offenses. The defendant
Speaker 4: did have discussions with the inmate, describing Tyler and his family,
Speaker 4: schedules and when it would be best.
Speaker 1: To kill Tyler and methods to kill Tyler.
Speaker 4: The defendant provided Tyler's address and a diagram of the
Speaker 4: home where he lived with his mother and his other siblings.
Speaker 4: The defendant indicated to the inmate that after the murder
Speaker 4: was completed, that he should flee to Europe and that
Speaker 4: he and the defendant would meet up with each other
Speaker 4: after the defendant was released from prison after his sexual
Speaker 4: assault case was dismissed, and that the defendant would then
Speaker 4: provide the inn mate with money from a secret bank account.
Speaker 1: Tyler did not attend this hearing. He had a job
Speaker 1: and didn't want to return to Pennsylvania and give Justin
Speaker 1: the satisfaction of seeing him again. Stacy was permitted to
Speaker 1: make a victim impact statement. She spoke directly to Justin.
Speaker 1: She let him know how strong her family was and
Speaker 1: that his crimes didn't break them. He appeared unmoved and vacant.
Speaker 1: He looked right through her. Then the judge asked if
Speaker 1: there was anything the defendant wanted to say there would
Speaker 1: be none of the wild statements from the last hearing.
Speaker 1: This time, Justin's lawyer spoke for him.
Speaker 5: Yes, Judge, good morning. Mister Rutherford has written a lot.
Speaker 5: I'm going to try to read some verbatim and summarize some.
Speaker 5: His last sentencing kind of went off the rails a
Speaker 5: little bit, and I want to try to focus on
Speaker 5: the sentencing as much as I can.
Speaker 3: This new lawyer was a little bit more sensible considering
Speaker 3: the first case and knew that what he wrote up
Speaker 3: probably was really screwed up because Justin didn't read it.
Speaker 5: He is amongst probably the more educated defendants you'll find.
Speaker 5: He was a physician, your honor, and a lot of
Speaker 5: these are not excuses, more mitigation that I'm about to present,
Speaker 5: and not to excuse his behavior, but mister Rutherford was
Speaker 5: quite mentally ill in jail. The insanity defense is not possibility.
Speaker 5: Given the clandestine nature and some of the code and
Speaker 5: some of those things. This could have very well been
Speaker 5: a guilty but mentally ill sentence. However, with the current sentence.
Speaker 1: It's not appropriate.
Speaker 5: He was on and off medications, and he you know,
Speaker 5: did in his letter. And I'll try to read it verbatim.
Speaker 5: He does accept responsibility for his actions.
Speaker 3: His lawyer had the paper in front of him, and
Speaker 3: he kind of would skim over it and be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're not saying that.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: Justin's attorney then pulled out a letter Justin had written
Speaker 1: for Stacy.
Speaker 5: I read the letter, Judge. I believe it's appropriate. It
Speaker 5: puts simply what a rocky road. I'm sorry to have
Speaker 5: put you through this stress. I've allowed myself to be
Speaker 5: a product of my environment. You know that's not the
Speaker 5: real me, the man who was never violent at home.
Speaker 5: It's no excuse. I'm just trying to do what's right
Speaker 5: and what's honest. I know I made mistakes, lots of them,
Speaker 5: but I hope you will release that grudge you hold
Speaker 5: against me. I still pray for you every night. I'll
Speaker 5: never stop, take care, wish you the best.
Speaker 1: Justin said those words again, I was never violent at home.
Speaker 1: Several months in prison had done nothing to enlighten him
Speaker 1: to the fact that rape is violence. The idea that
Speaker 1: he was praying for Stacy revealed the arrogance he still possessed.
Speaker 3: He always has something to say, He always wants to
Speaker 3: make excuses for his behavior versus taking responsibility for what
Speaker 3: he did to Tyler.
Speaker 1: But legally he had taken responsibility and that's what the
Speaker 1: prosecutor wanted. It would limit his ability to appeal or
Speaker 1: change his mind.
Speaker 4: Your Honor, the Commonwealth made this offer of five to
Speaker 4: ten years concurrent based on the length of the sentence
Speaker 4: that the defendant received at Dockett three seven five two.
Speaker 1: Of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: I believe that the defendant has now taken responsibility for this.
Speaker 4: It alleviated the necessity of a trial, which we all
Speaker 4: know is often burdensome to everyone, and Miss Rutherford had
Speaker 4: indicated to me through are multiple discussions that she was
Speaker 4: okay with that. And so we are asking that Your
Speaker 4: honor go by the agreed upon sentence to bring closure
Speaker 4: to this family. And because he's serving a sentence of
Speaker 4: twenty six years ten months at his minimum, he would
Speaker 4: not even be eligible for parole on his underlying sexual
Speaker 4: assault charges until he is close to.
Speaker 1: Sixty five to ten concurrent time, meant he would get
Speaker 1: no additional prison time. The judge didn't have to agree
Speaker 1: to the plea deal, and he let everyone in the
Speaker 1: courtroom know the only reason he did was because of
Speaker 1: the length of Justin's sentence for rape and voyeurism convictions.
Speaker 1: The whole process took half an hour. When it had finished,
Speaker 1: Stacey asked to meet the informant, Justin Selmate, who had
Speaker 1: come forward to report Justin's plan to kill Tyler.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to thank him for essentially saving my
Speaker 3: child's life. Had it not been for him coming forward,
Speaker 3: this would have never been possible. What his crimes were
Speaker 3: is irrelevant to me. What was relevant was that he
Speaker 3: saved my child's life.
Speaker 1: The prosecutor declined to make that introduction, but she did
Speaker 1: promise to convey Stacy's gratitude to the informant. It would
Speaker 1: have to be enough, and with that, after three years,
Speaker 1: it was all over. They were finally really done with
Speaker 1: Justin with the legal proceedings in the rear view mirror,
Speaker 1: Stacy and Tyler are holding their community close, and it
Speaker 1: might surprise you some of those closest to them today
Speaker 1: are members of Justin's family. In previous series, I've seen
Speaker 1: examples where blood relations take sides, but that has not
Speaker 1: happened here. They support Stacy and accept that it's Justin
Speaker 1: who caused all the damage. Here's Justin's and Nancy.
Speaker 7: It is extremely hard to accept that the little baby,
Speaker 7: the little boy I knew, did something like that to
Speaker 7: another little boy. I just I couldn't understand it, and
Speaker 7: I still can't understand it.
Speaker 1: Another relative, who wishes to remain anonymous, we'll call her Susan,
Speaker 1: recalls finding out what happened.
Speaker 2: I actually threw up because I'm like, what is he
Speaker 2: doing now? To mention the first day, but I don't
Speaker 2: understand how he came to that point. You're born innocent.
Speaker 2: How in the world do you get so wired up
Speaker 2: where you want to kill somebody and playing it out?
Speaker 2: He's so arroganting. He wants to actually see me for
Speaker 2: two hours straight to explain everything he thinks. I'm an idiot.
Speaker 2: I walk in there, He's going to look at me
Speaker 2: in ass and tell me why.
Speaker 1: I wondered if Nancy thought about seeing Justin and what
Speaker 1: you would want to see to him, I.
Speaker 7: Would ask him why. Tyler's a great kid. And I
Speaker 7: don't understand why he did that to that little boy.
Speaker 7: What was done to him was wrong. I owe to
Speaker 7: us Justin on what planet he thought that was even
Speaker 7: remotely right? And then to hook up camera, well, what
Speaker 7: was he thinking. I know in his mind he's justifying this.
Speaker 7: I was in love, he was my boyfriend. But you
Speaker 7: and I know that is just plain ass wrong.
Speaker 1: Susan Russell's with going to see Justin in prison.
Speaker 2: He can't expect he's going to turn me on his side.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine Tyler lion all these years and then
Speaker 2: you want to kill him.
Speaker 6: Two.
Speaker 2: No, I want to see him because I want to
Speaker 2: say goodbye before something happens to him.
Speaker 1: Both women have very strong feelings about justice.
Speaker 2: Stacy has pulled herself out of a complete nightmare. I
Speaker 2: can't even imagine finding this out. If it had been
Speaker 2: my son, my husband wouldn't be here, it wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been no trial. I'd have took care of him myself.
Speaker 1: Justin's aunt, Nancy admires Stacey's restraint.
Speaker 7: Stacy's a stronger person than me. I'd attacked him, yet,
Speaker 7: when I found out what he did to my child,
Speaker 7: it would have.
Speaker 8: Been all over.
Speaker 7: I'd have probably been the one in jail.
Speaker 1: Susan loves Tyler and has been looking for signs that
Speaker 1: he's okay.
Speaker 2: Our last meeting, our last dinner, we have the kids,
Speaker 2: me and him, talked and he literally he got up
Speaker 2: and gave me a hug, and I said, this is
Speaker 2: the first time I've seen you smile. So he's going
Speaker 2: to help somebody. Somebody is scared to death, is going
Speaker 2: to hear this. He's not gonna be scared anymore. And
Speaker 2: he's still think it's okay or she to go get
Speaker 2: some help.
Speaker 1: She is particularly concerned for Stacy's youngest daughter, Justin's biological child.
Speaker 2: I'm morally worried about her now in the future because
Speaker 2: that's her dad. You're going to have dad and daughter dances,
Speaker 2: You're going to have school with them bringing their dads.
Speaker 2: That's going to torment her because someone's going to always
Speaker 2: ask where's your dad? And that's going to really be
Speaker 2: harder as she gets older.
Speaker 1: But she knows Stacy is on top of all of it.
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of Stacy. She's just going to have
Speaker 2: a long road.
Speaker 1: When I visited Stacy and Tyler in West Virginia, I
Speaker 1: noticed how long it would take to travel a mile.
Speaker 1: The terrain was so different from what I normally see.
Speaker 1: My air and BnB was just a mile and a
Speaker 1: half away, yet it still took twenty five minutes to
Speaker 1: reach Stacy's home. There were winding roads and out of
Speaker 1: the way passes I had to drive through in the
Speaker 1: other direction, and I realized it was such a good
Speaker 1: metaphor for living with betrayal and the aftermath. Rebuilding is
Speaker 1: a process. It takes you in different directions. It's not linear.
Speaker 1: For Stacey and Tyler, it's been three years and they've
Speaker 1: made a lot of progress, but sometimes it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like you've traveled very far at all. It's a reminder
Speaker 1: that when you're climbing a mountain of grief, it just
Speaker 1: takes time. What grounds you is taking stock of what's
Speaker 1: around you or in front of you. During those drives,
Speaker 1: winding up and down across the mountain range, we would
Speaker 1: drive in and out of rainstorms. I would look far
Speaker 1: out to see light beaming onto the vast pastures in
Speaker 1: the valley, and I thought of Stacy, Tyler and their family,
Speaker 1: the love they have, the closeness they share, their laughter
Speaker 1: and sense of humor. It's unique, beautiful and rare. It
Speaker 1: radiates like the light shine down on the valley Hope
Speaker 1: while navigating a mountain in a storm. I knew when
Speaker 1: we wrapped up this story that it wasn't finished. They
Speaker 1: aren't finished, but they are going to be, okay. I
Speaker 1: wanted to sit down with each of them to reflect
Speaker 1: on the experience of putting their story out there. What
Speaker 1: was your main purpose for doing this?
Speaker 9: Just to help people and hopefully reach some man out
Speaker 9: there that felt like I did and felt alone and
Speaker 9: let him know he's not. Actually At the start, I mean,
Speaker 9: I was definitely a little nervous to talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I think it'll always be hard to talk about somewhat,
Speaker 9: but it also feels relieving, like you're breaking out of chains.
Speaker 1: Even Tyler's friends are seeing him differently in.
Speaker 9: A good way, you know, the stigma around boys and
Speaker 9: how nothing serious. Like I have this one friend who
Speaker 9: when we're hanging out, he's always saying something stupid doing
Speaker 9: I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: Goofball?
Speaker 9: Yeah, there we go, goofball. He was like, you know,
Speaker 9: we joke around with each other. But listening to that
Speaker 9: was crazy because I didn't understand, like really how it
Speaker 9: was so Like I've had a few friends come to
Speaker 9: me and just really open up to me about like
Speaker 9: how appreciative they were that I did that.
Speaker 1: Tyler is grateful for the betrayal community.
Speaker 9: Thank you for listening. Thank everyone for listening if they
Speaker 9: made it this far, because I hope if they made
Speaker 9: it this far, that means they liked it, you know.
Speaker 9: And I'm glad they stuck to the end because I've
Speaker 9: even had some relatives tell me it was kind of
Speaker 9: hard to listen to and they had to stop it.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I appreciate the people that wanted to hear
Speaker 9: my story out and just listen. No one can ever
Speaker 9: find out my secret, because it's not a secret.
Speaker 2: Stacey.
Speaker 1: When we first started, and when you were thinking about
Speaker 1: why you would want to do this project, what were
Speaker 1: the reasons, like? Why did you want to do this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: It was really hard for me to find people to
Speaker 3: relate to, so I felt very much alone. And when
Speaker 3: I heard the first two seasons, it made me feel
Speaker 3: not so alone, and I wanted to be that for
Speaker 3: someone else. I also wanted Tyler to heal through this too.
Speaker 3: I knew that there would be a lot of healing
Speaker 3: in talking about this for our family, and there absolutely
Speaker 3: has been. I've seen such a huge change in our
Speaker 3: interaction with each other and how we've handled things, and
Speaker 3: I wanted that for someone else.
Speaker 1: I have watched you and your family since we've started
Speaker 1: working together, and I definitely acknowledge this need and want
Speaker 1: from you to feel seen. And I think so much
Speaker 1: of your connection to Justin is this was a person
Speaker 1: it felt like he saw you. He felt very seen
Speaker 1: in that relationship, and the grieving of not having that
Speaker 1: has been really difficult for you. But the one thing
Speaker 1: that I just want you to have is I want
Speaker 1: you to be able to see yourself as an incredible
Speaker 1: person the way that I see you. I left Boston
Speaker 1: being like, who wants already made family. I do like
Speaker 1: I want to be part of Stacy's family. So we
Speaker 1: reached out to people who wrote in and they have
Speaker 1: some messages for us. Okay, I haven't heard these, so
Speaker 1: both of us are listening to this for the first time.
Speaker 10: My name is Anna. I was driving and just kind
Speaker 10: of going through the episodes and my fiance happened to
Speaker 10: be in the car with me, and Tyler was talking
Speaker 10: about how he ended up coming for how he.
Speaker 3: Really really didn't want to do it.
Speaker 10: And then he ended up deciding to be that voice,
Speaker 10: and my fiance he made a comment like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 10: this happens a lot more than people think. Later, I
Speaker 10: couldn't get it out of my mind that comment he
Speaker 10: had made.
Speaker 1: And so we were getting ready for bed.
Speaker 10: And I asked him about it. I was like, have
Speaker 10: you ever experienced something like that? He was really really quiet,
Speaker 10: and he goes, yeah, like when I was seven, an
Speaker 10: older cousin was at the house and some sexual abuse transpired.
Speaker 10: Sometimes something happens and it reminds you and it all
Speaker 10: comes rushing back. And he said that that was kind
Speaker 10: of a moment that he had after hearing Tyler tell
Speaker 10: his story. It was extremely extremely emotional. I mean, I
Speaker 10: feel horrible that this person I love so much had
Speaker 10: to go through this, But I know he said that
Speaker 10: talking about it after all this time was like a
Speaker 10: huge burden off of him.
Speaker 2: It just made me.
Speaker 10: Grateful that he ultimately told me about it. I'm glad
Speaker 10: that I know this about him and that it's something
Speaker 10: that we can now speak about openly. You guys, sharing
Speaker 10: your story truly is life changing. Something as simple as
Speaker 10: riding in the car and just listening to it to
Speaker 10: pass the time, you never know what kind of conversations
Speaker 10: it can spark. I just commend you so much for
Speaker 10: your strength, and I cannot say thank you enough.
Speaker 1: After the break, a male listener shares how Tyler's story
Speaker 1: has helped him to confront his own past. I'm with
Speaker 1: Stacy and Tyler for our final episode of Betrayal season three,
Speaker 1: and we're hearing some feedback from listeners. Okay, so here's
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 8: My name is Stroud and I am from the Houston,
Speaker 8: Texas area. It wasn't until I got married, started having
Speaker 8: some issues, got addicted to pornography and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: I finally went to talked to a therapist and finally
Speaker 8: realized as a child that I was assaulted. Going back
Speaker 8: to when Tyler first opened up about what happened took
Speaker 8: me back to when I first had discovered what the
Speaker 8: root of the problem was. It's uncanny how your memory
Speaker 8: just unlocks. You hear stories and you wonder, how can
Speaker 8: that be true, But when you hear it and then
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, you're reliving it. Wow, that happened
Speaker 8: to me. Wow, he said that exact same thing. And
Speaker 8: then my wife and I were sitting there one evening
Speaker 8: and my daughter, who was just finished for junior year
Speaker 8: of high school, comes in crying, and that's what she
Speaker 8: told us, that she had been assaulted. Buying my father.
Speaker 8: I worshiped that man. You know the rage I had
Speaker 8: finding out that it happened to her. The anger came back.
Speaker 8: I said, I know exactly what you're going through and
Speaker 8: she said how? And I told her what happened to me.
Speaker 8: Tyler spoke to him in court talking about how stonefaced
Speaker 8: he was. He decided to speak on the fly without
Speaker 8: havingything written down. That's kind of how I felt when
Speaker 8: they sentenced my dad. I'm not going to speak because
Speaker 8: I'm afraid I'm gonna jump over the wall and attack them.
Speaker 8: I said, no, I need to say something. I remember saying.
Speaker 8: You may have thought you broke her. I guarantee you
Speaker 8: she's going to come back stronger and she's ever been.
Speaker 8: You've broken me more than you've broken her, But I'm
Speaker 8: not going to let you win. Tell Tyler, I'm proud
Speaker 8: of them. I know it's not easy to come forward.
Speaker 8: It takes a lot of courage to do that and stacy.
Speaker 8: From a parents' perspective, it's not your fault. You know.
Speaker 8: We can blame ourselves and ask ourselves what did we
Speaker 8: do wrong? Where did we go wrong? How could we
Speaker 8: not have known? All we can do is love each other,
Speaker 8: help each other be there for each other. As hard
Speaker 8: as this to listen to, it helps those of us
Speaker 8: who've been through it find more ways to cope and
Speaker 8: let us know that we're not the only ones out there.
Speaker 8: So thank you.
Speaker 9: Unless just brought some tears of joy out or something,
Speaker 9: it's nice to hear more men talking too.
Speaker 3: Especially Tyler has always just wanted to be that for somebody,
Speaker 3: and I feel like this gives him that feeling of
Speaker 3: having a purpose and reaching people. That's been one of
Speaker 3: the most amazing things I think I've seen through this
Speaker 3: is see him realize that what happened to him was
Speaker 3: not his fault and that it does not define him
Speaker 3: or his success or his purpose. And I think it's
Speaker 3: just amazing to see that a man reached out.
Speaker 1: And there was one more.
Speaker 6: My name is Kristen and I am from Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Speaker 6: I basically almost experienced the same thing that Stacy did.
Speaker 6: My ex husband committed a crime as well to my daughter.
Speaker 6: I was two months pregnant when I found out. I
Speaker 6: really struggled with feeling like I should have known and
Speaker 6: how could I not know? But Stacy really talked about
Speaker 6: how she had no idea and there was no signs
Speaker 6: for her as well, and she talked about how well
Speaker 6: her husband was as a father. That is something I
Speaker 6: have often said, how I feel ashamed or guilty that
Speaker 6: I miss what was so great about our relationship, and
Speaker 6: I hate that I feel that way.
Speaker 3: I don't want to.
Speaker 6: Think about it or miss him at all. But it
Speaker 6: made me feel a whole lot better that she feels
Speaker 6: the same way as she understands. It definitely gave me
Speaker 6: some relief that I'm not bad for feeling that way.
Speaker 6: The biggest reason I wanted to reach out because I
Speaker 6: wanted to thank Stacy and Tyler for being brave enough
Speaker 6: to talk about their story. I feel like I've been
Speaker 6: hiding my story and I haven't wanted to talk to
Speaker 6: anybody about it because I feel so ashamed. But after
Speaker 6: hearing their story, I feel a whole lot better, like
Speaker 6: I actually can talk about it. Especially at night it's
Speaker 6: hard to go to sleep and be in my thoughts.
Speaker 6: But my routine now was to constantly just turn on
Speaker 6: the podcast and listen to them, and it was it
Speaker 6: felt like a form of therapy, like I could talk
Speaker 6: to somebody.
Speaker 1: Else and not feel alone.
Speaker 6: So I'm very thankful for them sharing their story. It
Speaker 6: has definitely helped me a lot.
Speaker 3: You can beat yourself up about that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: but I choose to focus on the people out there
Speaker 3: who are going to hear our voices and who are
Speaker 3: going to be set free from things because of Tyler
Speaker 3: and the braveness of sharing your story, because it's it's
Speaker 3: not easy to put yourself out there for the world.
Speaker 3: It feels absolutely amazing to know that there's someone out
Speaker 3: there who doesn't feel so alone anymore, because I know
Speaker 3: that feeling so well.
Speaker 1: Every time I've worked with you know, when I've worked
Speaker 1: with Jen, when I've worked with Ashley, you know, just
Speaker 1: through getting to know them and their family, I've walked
Speaker 1: away with different takeaways of what I love and I
Speaker 1: adore about each individual person. And I just eat really
Speaker 1: great women and really unfortunate circumstances. And for you, I
Speaker 1: just want you to give yourself some grace and I
Speaker 1: want you to love yourself because you are so lovable.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
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