1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hi all, we have some exciting news to share. EBC 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: News Studios has turned Ashley's story from Betrayal Season two 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: into a docu series. You will get to meet the 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: people involved, you will hear from people who have never 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: spoken before, and you get to see where the story 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: took place. We are so proud and excited to share 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: it with you all. You can start streaming it on 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Hulu on July thirtieth. 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: Stacy has pulled herself out of a complete nightmare. I 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: can't even imagine finding this out. If it would have 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: been my son, my husband wouldn't be here, it would 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: have been no trial too. Pear on myself. 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, Season three, Episode eight, 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: No More More Secrets. In nineteen thirty one, the citizens 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: of Writing, Pennsylvania were upset because their courthouse, originally built 16 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty, was going to be demolished. It was 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: to be replaced by a new, more modern building, a 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: huge granite and limestone structure with tall vertical windows. The 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: budget for the new courthouse was two million dollars, which 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: is about forty three million in today's money. The building 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: would be nineteen stories high in both sixteen courtrooms. It 22 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: was completed in nineteen thirty two, and nearly one hundred 23 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: years later, that same brooks Coning Courthouse stands today. This 24 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: is where Justin Rutherford would face the final chapter of 25 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: justice on Tuesday, February sixth, twenty twenty four. He would 26 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: be called to account for criminal solicitation to commit murder 27 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: in the degree it was time to pay for the 28 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: plot to kill Tyler. In the vastness of the courtroom, 29 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Justin looked small. He was dwarfed by the space and 30 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: by the judge looking down on him from the bench above. 31 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: It was a stark contrasted Justin's last appearance in court. 32 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: There were no reporters and no crowds, just rows and 33 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: rows of empty benches. There were only four spectators. The 34 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: prosecutor had irrefutable evidence for her case, a jail house 35 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: informant had assisted law enforcement, and Justin was caught on 36 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: tape explaining the best time and method to kill Tyler. 37 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: It's what one might call a slam dunk. The prosecutor 38 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: had been hoping to reach a plea agreement, but it 39 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: appeared that Justin wanted to go to trial based on 40 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: the letters he had sent from jail and the absurd 41 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: speeches he had given during his sentence sing. I can 42 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: imagine the fantasy. He'd like a defense at need to 43 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: stand up like he's in a TV show and enumerate 44 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: Justin's many wonderful qualities. He's a great dad, a good provider, 45 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: loved by his patients, and the judge would say, this 46 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: is a misunderstood man and a doctor. No less, this 47 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: is a miscarriage of justice. Maybe this time someone would 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: get it. He wanted a trial, he wanted someone to 49 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: say the words not guilty. 50 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: So a few. 51 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: Days before the trial, it was looking like he wasn't 52 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: going to make a plead deal until he did. 53 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: I still had to show up just in case at 54 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: the last minute he would have threw a Hail Mary 55 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: and said, no, I'm not signing this. I want a trial. 56 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: The district attorney said that we would have went directly 57 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: into one. So to my knowledge, all of the witnesses 58 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: were there. The guy that was the informant, I think 59 00:03:59,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: he was there. 60 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: Based on the transcripts we've re enacted some of the 61 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: court proceedings from the hearing. 62 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: Your honor, we are here in the matter of commonwealth 63 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania versus Justin Rutherford Docket seven sixty six. We 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: were listed for jury trial for today. However, the defendant 65 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: has completed paperwork for a guilty plea today. 66 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: Stacy MICHAELA and a victim advocate sat behind the prosecutor's 67 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: table in Courtroom five A. A familiar person sat behind Justin. 68 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: It was just Nanny. She was the only one that 69 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: went to the first case on his behalf to That's 70 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: just kind of how she is. I mean, when it 71 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: comes to him, there's really nothing that she won't do 72 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: for him. 73 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: Justin sat in the far corner of the courtroom as 74 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: prosecutor Meg McCallum laid out the details of the case. 75 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: Between October two of twenty twenty two and January sevente 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: teenth of twenty twenty three, the defendant did solicit an 77 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 4: inmate who was also in prison at the Burkes County 78 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: Jail System, who was going to be released from prison 79 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 4: prior to the defendant being sentenced. He asked him to 80 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 4: kill Tyler, a male juvenile who is the victim. At 81 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: Dockett three seven five to two of twenty twenty one, 82 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 4: where the defendant did plead guilty and was sentenced for 83 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: rape of a child in other related offenses. The defendant 84 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: did have discussions with the inmate, describing Tyler and his family, 85 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: schedules and when it would be best. 86 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: To kill Tyler and methods to kill Tyler. 87 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: The defendant provided Tyler's address and a diagram of the 88 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: home where he lived with his mother and his other siblings. 89 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 4: The defendant indicated to the inmate that after the murder 90 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 4: was completed, that he should flee to Europe and that 91 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: he and the defendant would meet up with each other 92 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 4: after the defendant was released from prison after his sexual 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 4: assault case was dismissed, and that the defendant would then 94 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 4: provide the inn mate with money from a secret bank account. 95 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: Tyler did not attend this hearing. He had a job 96 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: and didn't want to return to Pennsylvania and give Justin 97 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: the satisfaction of seeing him again. Stacy was permitted to 98 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 1: make a victim impact statement. She spoke directly to Justin. 99 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: She let him know how strong her family was and 100 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: that his crimes didn't break them. He appeared unmoved and vacant. 101 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: He looked right through her. Then the judge asked if 102 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: there was anything the defendant wanted to say there would 103 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: be none of the wild statements from the last hearing. 104 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: This time, Justin's lawyer spoke for him. 105 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 5: Yes, Judge, good morning. Mister Rutherford has written a lot. 106 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 5: I'm going to try to read some verbatim and summarize some. 107 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 5: His last sentencing kind of went off the rails a 108 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 5: little bit, and I want to try to focus on 109 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 5: the sentencing as much as I can. 110 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: This new lawyer was a little bit more sensible considering 111 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: the first case and knew that what he wrote up 112 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: probably was really screwed up because Justin didn't read it. 113 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 5: He is amongst probably the more educated defendants you'll find. 114 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 5: He was a physician, your honor, and a lot of 115 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 5: these are not excuses, more mitigation that I'm about to present, 116 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 5: and not to excuse his behavior, but mister Rutherford was 117 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 5: quite mentally ill in jail. The insanity defense is not possibility. 118 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 5: Given the clandestine nature and some of the code and 119 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 5: some of those things. This could have very well been 120 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 5: a guilty but mentally ill sentence. However, with the current sentence. 121 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: It's not appropriate. 122 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 5: He was on and off medications, and he you know, 123 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 5: did in his letter. And I'll try to read it verbatim. 124 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 5: He does accept responsibility for his actions. 125 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: His lawyer had the paper in front of him, and 126 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: he kind of would skim over it and be like, yeah, 127 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: we're not saying that. 128 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 6: No. 129 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Justin's attorney then pulled out a letter Justin had written 130 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: for Stacy. 131 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 5: I read the letter, Judge. I believe it's appropriate. It 132 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 5: puts simply what a rocky road. I'm sorry to have 133 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 5: put you through this stress. I've allowed myself to be 134 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 5: a product of my environment. You know that's not the 135 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 5: real me, the man who was never violent at home. 136 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 5: It's no excuse. I'm just trying to do what's right 137 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 5: and what's honest. I know I made mistakes, lots of them, 138 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 5: but I hope you will release that grudge you hold 139 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 5: against me. I still pray for you every night. I'll 140 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 5: never stop, take care, wish you the best. 141 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: Justin said those words again, I was never violent at home. 142 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: Several months in prison had done nothing to enlighten him 143 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: to the fact that rape is violence. The idea that 144 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: he was praying for Stacy revealed the arrogance he still possessed. 145 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: He always has something to say, He always wants to 146 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: make excuses for his behavior versus taking responsibility for what 147 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: he did to Tyler. 148 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: But legally he had taken responsibility and that's what the 149 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: prosecutor wanted. It would limit his ability to appeal or 150 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: change his mind. 151 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 4: Your Honor, the Commonwealth made this offer of five to 152 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: ten years concurrent based on the length of the sentence 153 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 4: that the defendant received at Dockett three seven five two. 154 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: Of twenty twenty one. 155 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: I believe that the defendant has now taken responsibility for this. 156 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: It alleviated the necessity of a trial, which we all 157 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 4: know is often burdensome to everyone, and Miss Rutherford had 158 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 4: indicated to me through are multiple discussions that she was 159 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: okay with that. And so we are asking that Your 160 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 4: honor go by the agreed upon sentence to bring closure 161 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 4: to this family. And because he's serving a sentence of 162 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: twenty six years ten months at his minimum, he would 163 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 4: not even be eligible for parole on his underlying sexual 164 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 4: assault charges until he is close to. 165 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: Sixty five to ten concurrent time, meant he would get 166 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: no additional prison time. The judge didn't have to agree 167 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: to the plea deal, and he let everyone in the 168 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: courtroom know the only reason he did was because of 169 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: the length of Justin's sentence for rape and voyeurism convictions. 170 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: The whole process took half an hour. When it had finished, 171 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: Stacey asked to meet the informant, Justin Selmate, who had 172 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: come forward to report Justin's plan to kill Tyler. 173 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: I just wanted to thank him for essentially saving my 174 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: child's life. Had it not been for him coming forward, 175 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 3: this would have never been possible. What his crimes were 176 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: is irrelevant to me. What was relevant was that he 177 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: saved my child's life. 178 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: The prosecutor declined to make that introduction, but she did 179 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: promise to convey Stacy's gratitude to the informant. It would 180 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: have to be enough, and with that, after three years, 181 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: it was all over. They were finally really done with 182 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: Justin with the legal proceedings in the rear view mirror, 183 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: Stacy and Tyler are holding their community close, and it 184 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: might surprise you some of those closest to them today 185 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: are members of Justin's family. In previous series, I've seen 186 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: examples where blood relations take sides, but that has not 187 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: happened here. They support Stacy and accept that it's Justin 188 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: who caused all the damage. Here's Justin's and Nancy. 189 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 7: It is extremely hard to accept that the little baby, 190 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 7: the little boy I knew, did something like that to 191 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 7: another little boy. I just I couldn't understand it, and 192 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 7: I still can't understand it. 193 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Another relative, who wishes to remain anonymous, we'll call her Susan, 194 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: recalls finding out what happened. 195 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: I actually threw up because I'm like, what is he 196 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: doing now? To mention the first day, but I don't 197 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: understand how he came to that point. You're born innocent. 198 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: How in the world do you get so wired up 199 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: where you want to kill somebody and playing it out? 200 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: He's so arroganting. He wants to actually see me for 201 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: two hours straight to explain everything he thinks. I'm an idiot. 202 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: I walk in there, He's going to look at me 203 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: in ass and tell me why. 204 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: I wondered if Nancy thought about seeing Justin and what 205 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: you would want to see to him, I. 206 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 7: Would ask him why. Tyler's a great kid. And I 207 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 7: don't understand why he did that to that little boy. 208 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 7: What was done to him was wrong. I owe to 209 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 7: us Justin on what planet he thought that was even 210 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 7: remotely right? And then to hook up camera, well, what 211 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 7: was he thinking. I know in his mind he's justifying this. 212 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 7: I was in love, he was my boyfriend. But you 213 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 7: and I know that is just plain ass wrong. 214 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: Susan Russell's with going to see Justin in prison. 215 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: He can't expect he's going to turn me on his side. 216 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 2: I can't imagine Tyler lion all these years and then 217 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: you want to kill him. 218 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 6: Two. 219 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 2: No, I want to see him because I want to 220 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: say goodbye before something happens to him. 221 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: Both women have very strong feelings about justice. 222 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: Stacy has pulled herself out of a complete nightmare. I 223 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: can't even imagine finding this out. If it had been 224 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: my son, my husband wouldn't be here, it wouldn't have 225 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: been no trial. I'd have took care of him myself. 226 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: Justin's aunt, Nancy admires Stacey's restraint. 227 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 7: Stacy's a stronger person than me. I'd attacked him, yet, 228 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 7: when I found out what he did to my child, 229 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 7: it would have. 230 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 8: Been all over. 231 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 7: I'd have probably been the one in jail. 232 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Susan loves Tyler and has been looking for signs that 233 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: he's okay. 234 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: Our last meeting, our last dinner, we have the kids, 235 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: me and him, talked and he literally he got up 236 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: and gave me a hug, and I said, this is 237 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: the first time I've seen you smile. So he's going 238 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: to help somebody. Somebody is scared to death, is going 239 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: to hear this. He's not gonna be scared anymore. And 240 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: he's still think it's okay or she to go get 241 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: some help. 242 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: She is particularly concerned for Stacy's youngest daughter, Justin's biological child. 243 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: I'm morally worried about her now in the future because 244 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: that's her dad. You're going to have dad and daughter dances, 245 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: You're going to have school with them bringing their dads. 246 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: That's going to torment her because someone's going to always 247 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: ask where's your dad? And that's going to really be 248 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: harder as she gets older. 249 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: But she knows Stacy is on top of all of it. 250 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: I'm really proud of Stacy. She's just going to have 251 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: a long road. 252 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: When I visited Stacy and Tyler in West Virginia, I 253 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: noticed how long it would take to travel a mile. 254 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: The terrain was so different from what I normally see. 255 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: My air and BnB was just a mile and a 256 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: half away, yet it still took twenty five minutes to 257 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: reach Stacy's home. There were winding roads and out of 258 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: the way passes I had to drive through in the 259 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: other direction, and I realized it was such a good 260 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: metaphor for living with betrayal and the aftermath. Rebuilding is 261 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: a process. It takes you in different directions. It's not linear. 262 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: For Stacey and Tyler, it's been three years and they've 263 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: made a lot of progress, but sometimes it doesn't feel 264 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: like you've traveled very far at all. It's a reminder 265 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: that when you're climbing a mountain of grief, it just 266 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: takes time. What grounds you is taking stock of what's 267 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: around you or in front of you. During those drives, 268 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: winding up and down across the mountain range, we would 269 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: drive in and out of rainstorms. I would look far 270 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: out to see light beaming onto the vast pastures in 271 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: the valley, and I thought of Stacy, Tyler and their family, 272 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: the love they have, the closeness they share, their laughter 273 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: and sense of humor. It's unique, beautiful and rare. It 274 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: radiates like the light shine down on the valley Hope 275 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: while navigating a mountain in a storm. I knew when 276 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: we wrapped up this story that it wasn't finished. They 277 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: aren't finished, but they are going to be, okay. I 278 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: wanted to sit down with each of them to reflect 279 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: on the experience of putting their story out there. What 280 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: was your main purpose for doing this? 281 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 9: Just to help people and hopefully reach some man out 282 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 9: there that felt like I did and felt alone and 283 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 9: let him know he's not. Actually At the start, I mean, 284 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 9: I was definitely a little nervous to talk about it. Yeah, 285 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 9: I think it'll always be hard to talk about somewhat, 286 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 9: but it also feels relieving, like you're breaking out of chains. 287 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: Even Tyler's friends are seeing him differently in. 288 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 9: A good way, you know, the stigma around boys and 289 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 9: how nothing serious. Like I have this one friend who 290 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 9: when we're hanging out, he's always saying something stupid doing 291 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 9: I'm stupid. 292 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: Goofball? 293 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, there we go, goofball. He was like, you know, 294 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 9: we joke around with each other. But listening to that 295 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 9: was crazy because I didn't understand, like really how it 296 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 9: was so Like I've had a few friends come to 297 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 9: me and just really open up to me about like 298 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 9: how appreciative they were that I did that. 299 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: Tyler is grateful for the betrayal community. 300 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 9: Thank you for listening. Thank everyone for listening if they 301 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 9: made it this far, because I hope if they made 302 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 9: it this far, that means they liked it, you know. 303 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 9: And I'm glad they stuck to the end because I've 304 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 9: even had some relatives tell me it was kind of 305 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 9: hard to listen to and they had to stop it. 306 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 9: So yeah, I appreciate the people that wanted to hear 307 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 9: my story out and just listen. No one can ever 308 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 9: find out my secret, because it's not a secret. 309 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: Stacey. 310 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: When we first started, and when you were thinking about 311 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: why you would want to do this project, what were 312 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: the reasons, like? Why did you want to do this? 313 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: You know? 314 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: It was really hard for me to find people to 315 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: relate to, so I felt very much alone. And when 316 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: I heard the first two seasons, it made me feel 317 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: not so alone, and I wanted to be that for 318 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 3: someone else. I also wanted Tyler to heal through this too. 319 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 3: I knew that there would be a lot of healing 320 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: in talking about this for our family, and there absolutely 321 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: has been. I've seen such a huge change in our 322 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: interaction with each other and how we've handled things, and 323 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: I wanted that for someone else. 324 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: I have watched you and your family since we've started 325 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: working together, and I definitely acknowledge this need and want 326 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: from you to feel seen. And I think so much 327 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: of your connection to Justin is this was a person 328 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: it felt like he saw you. He felt very seen 329 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: in that relationship, and the grieving of not having that 330 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: has been really difficult for you. But the one thing 331 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: that I just want you to have is I want 332 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: you to be able to see yourself as an incredible 333 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: person the way that I see you. I left Boston 334 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: being like, who wants already made family. I do like 335 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: I want to be part of Stacy's family. So we 336 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: reached out to people who wrote in and they have 337 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: some messages for us. Okay, I haven't heard these, so 338 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: both of us are listening to this for the first time. 339 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 10: My name is Anna. I was driving and just kind 340 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 10: of going through the episodes and my fiance happened to 341 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 10: be in the car with me, and Tyler was talking 342 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 10: about how he ended up coming for how he. 343 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: Really really didn't want to do it. 344 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 10: And then he ended up deciding to be that voice, 345 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 10: and my fiance he made a comment like, you know, yeah, 346 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 10: this happens a lot more than people think. Later, I 347 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 10: couldn't get it out of my mind that comment he 348 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 10: had made. 349 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: And so we were getting ready for bed. 350 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 10: And I asked him about it. I was like, have 351 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 10: you ever experienced something like that? He was really really quiet, 352 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 10: and he goes, yeah, like when I was seven, an 353 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 10: older cousin was at the house and some sexual abuse transpired. 354 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 10: Sometimes something happens and it reminds you and it all 355 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 10: comes rushing back. And he said that that was kind 356 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 10: of a moment that he had after hearing Tyler tell 357 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 10: his story. It was extremely extremely emotional. I mean, I 358 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 10: feel horrible that this person I love so much had 359 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 10: to go through this, But I know he said that 360 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 10: talking about it after all this time was like a 361 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 10: huge burden off of him. 362 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: It just made me. 363 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 10: Grateful that he ultimately told me about it. I'm glad 364 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 10: that I know this about him and that it's something 365 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 10: that we can now speak about openly. You guys, sharing 366 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 10: your story truly is life changing. Something as simple as 367 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 10: riding in the car and just listening to it to 368 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 10: pass the time, you never know what kind of conversations 369 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 10: it can spark. I just commend you so much for 370 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 10: your strength, and I cannot say thank you enough. 371 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: After the break, a male listener shares how Tyler's story 372 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: has helped him to confront his own past. I'm with 373 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: Stacy and Tyler for our final episode of Betrayal season three, 374 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: and we're hearing some feedback from listeners. Okay, so here's 375 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: another one. 376 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 8: My name is Stroud and I am from the Houston, 377 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 8: Texas area. It wasn't until I got married, started having 378 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 8: some issues, got addicted to pornography and stuff like that. 379 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 8: I finally went to talked to a therapist and finally 380 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 8: realized as a child that I was assaulted. Going back 381 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 8: to when Tyler first opened up about what happened took 382 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 8: me back to when I first had discovered what the 383 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 8: root of the problem was. It's uncanny how your memory 384 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 8: just unlocks. You hear stories and you wonder, how can 385 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 8: that be true, But when you hear it and then 386 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 8: all of a sudden, you're reliving it. Wow, that happened 387 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 8: to me. Wow, he said that exact same thing. And 388 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 8: then my wife and I were sitting there one evening 389 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 8: and my daughter, who was just finished for junior year 390 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 8: of high school, comes in crying, and that's what she 391 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 8: told us, that she had been assaulted. Buying my father. 392 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 8: I worshiped that man. You know the rage I had 393 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 8: finding out that it happened to her. The anger came back. 394 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 8: I said, I know exactly what you're going through and 395 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 8: she said how? And I told her what happened to me. 396 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 8: Tyler spoke to him in court talking about how stonefaced 397 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 8: he was. He decided to speak on the fly without 398 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 8: havingything written down. That's kind of how I felt when 399 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 8: they sentenced my dad. I'm not going to speak because 400 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 8: I'm afraid I'm gonna jump over the wall and attack them. 401 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 8: I said, no, I need to say something. I remember saying. 402 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 8: You may have thought you broke her. I guarantee you 403 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 8: she's going to come back stronger and she's ever been. 404 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 8: You've broken me more than you've broken her, But I'm 405 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 8: not going to let you win. Tell Tyler, I'm proud 406 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 8: of them. I know it's not easy to come forward. 407 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 8: It takes a lot of courage to do that and stacy. 408 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 8: From a parents' perspective, it's not your fault. You know. 409 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 8: We can blame ourselves and ask ourselves what did we 410 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 8: do wrong? Where did we go wrong? How could we 411 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 8: not have known? All we can do is love each other, 412 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 8: help each other be there for each other. As hard 413 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 8: as this to listen to, it helps those of us 414 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 8: who've been through it find more ways to cope and 415 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 8: let us know that we're not the only ones out there. 416 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 8: So thank you. 417 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 9: Unless just brought some tears of joy out or something, 418 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 9: it's nice to hear more men talking too. 419 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: Especially Tyler has always just wanted to be that for somebody, 420 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: and I feel like this gives him that feeling of 421 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: having a purpose and reaching people. That's been one of 422 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 3: the most amazing things I think I've seen through this 423 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: is see him realize that what happened to him was 424 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: not his fault and that it does not define him 425 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: or his success or his purpose. And I think it's 426 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 3: just amazing to see that a man reached out. 427 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: And there was one more. 428 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 6: My name is Kristen and I am from Chattanooga, Tennessee. 429 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 6: I basically almost experienced the same thing that Stacy did. 430 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 6: My ex husband committed a crime as well to my daughter. 431 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 6: I was two months pregnant when I found out. I 432 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 6: really struggled with feeling like I should have known and 433 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 6: how could I not know? But Stacy really talked about 434 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 6: how she had no idea and there was no signs 435 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 6: for her as well, and she talked about how well 436 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 6: her husband was as a father. That is something I 437 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 6: have often said, how I feel ashamed or guilty that 438 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 6: I miss what was so great about our relationship, and 439 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 6: I hate that I feel that way. 440 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 3: I don't want to. 441 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 6: Think about it or miss him at all. But it 442 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 6: made me feel a whole lot better that she feels 443 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 6: the same way as she understands. It definitely gave me 444 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 6: some relief that I'm not bad for feeling that way. 445 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 6: The biggest reason I wanted to reach out because I 446 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 6: wanted to thank Stacy and Tyler for being brave enough 447 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 6: to talk about their story. I feel like I've been 448 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 6: hiding my story and I haven't wanted to talk to 449 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 6: anybody about it because I feel so ashamed. But after 450 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 6: hearing their story, I feel a whole lot better, like 451 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 6: I actually can talk about it. Especially at night it's 452 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 6: hard to go to sleep and be in my thoughts. 453 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 6: But my routine now was to constantly just turn on 454 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 6: the podcast and listen to them, and it was it 455 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 6: felt like a form of therapy, like I could talk 456 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 6: to somebody. 457 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: Else and not feel alone. 458 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 6: So I'm very thankful for them sharing their story. It 459 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 6: has definitely helped me a lot. 460 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: You can beat yourself up about that kind of stuff, 461 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: but I choose to focus on the people out there 462 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: who are going to hear our voices and who are 463 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: going to be set free from things because of Tyler 464 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: and the braveness of sharing your story, because it's it's 465 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: not easy to put yourself out there for the world. 466 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: It feels absolutely amazing to know that there's someone out 467 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 3: there who doesn't feel so alone anymore, because I know 468 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: that feeling so well. 469 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: Every time I've worked with you know, when I've worked 470 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: with Jen, when I've worked with Ashley, you know, just 471 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: through getting to know them and their family, I've walked 472 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: away with different takeaways of what I love and I 473 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: adore about each individual person. And I just eat really 474 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:15,479 Speaker 1: great women and really unfortunate circumstances. And for you, I 475 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: just want you to give yourself some grace and I 476 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: want you to love yourself because you are so lovable. 477 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 5: Thank you. 478 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm proud of all the work you're doing. 479 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: That means a lot. 480 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: If you're a man who has experienced sexual abuse or assault, 481 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: or you know someone who is seeking support, go to 482 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: one in six dot org. That's the number one I 483 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: n number six dot org. Find a path to a happier, 484 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: healthier future. 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