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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. Wilson

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Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about Sir Humphrey Davy

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Speaker 1: all week. I would say, usually when we are talking

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Speaker 1: about a poet whose poems are in the public domain,

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Speaker 1: I will try to find a poem and we will

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Speaker 1: have one in the episode. We have even done this

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Speaker 1: with such people as Natalie Clifford Barney, who, in my

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Speaker 1: personal opinion, I did not find her poetry to be great,

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Speaker 1: but I did feel like it was. I mean, in

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Speaker 1: French it's probably a lot better, but what she wrote

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Speaker 1: in English I found to be like kind of it

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Speaker 1: did not move me in the way that poetry generally does,

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Speaker 1: but I felt like it was, you know, indicative of her,

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Speaker 1: her life, and I still wanted to read some of it.

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Speaker 1: We did not read any Humphrey Davy poems because while

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Speaker 1: there are lots and lots of them that have been

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Speaker 1: unearthed by this whole project to transcribe all of his journals,

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Speaker 1: I did not go to confirm, like what the copyright

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Speaker 1: status on any of that is generally stuff that is

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Speaker 1: that old is not protected by copyright anymore. But when

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Speaker 1: you get into something that is like somebody's journal that

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Speaker 1: has been newly transcribed, sometimes the organization that is doing

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Speaker 1: that transcription has some kind of rights over it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. But the other answer is the poems of

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Speaker 1: his that I did find, they were all very long,

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Speaker 1: even one that was printed as a fragment of a poem.

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Speaker 1: That fragment still went on for pages. And I couldn't

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Speaker 1: and listen to. I personally just found it very ponderous,

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying this as a person whose college degree

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Speaker 1: was partially devoted to poetry. Well, I mean he wrote

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Speaker 1: him while he was high, So like I, this is

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Speaker 1: no surprise whatsoever to me. Yeah, some of them while

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Speaker 1: he was high, and some of them while he was

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Speaker 1: why we don't have any Humphry Davy bombs. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: borderline wonder if we were to exhum Humphrey Davy do

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Speaker 1: a little testing how much B twelve depletion, we would

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Speaker 1: find that had maybe caused some brain damage. That is

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Speaker 1: one of the things that can happen with excessive nitrous oxide. Yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: brain and nerve damage from B twelve depletion. Yeah, with

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Speaker 1: chronic use. And it sounds like he got pretty cavalier

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Speaker 1: about with his bag of g and enormous amounts of it.

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Speaker 1: And that's really like a lot of the places where

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Speaker 1: nitrous oxide is like illegal for recreational use today, That's

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Speaker 1: like one of the things that has been cited is

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Speaker 1: that like when it's not illegal, a lot of times

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Speaker 1: it is fairly easily available. I don't want to get

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Speaker 1: into the ways that people can extract it from things

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Speaker 1: that are not meant to be consumed. It's like a

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Speaker 1: whole other thing. But because it is sometimes readily available

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Speaker 1: in places that it is not regulated, it's possible for

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Speaker 1: people to inhale large amounts of it and inhale large

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Speaker 1: yourself the way that Davy dearly did at some points. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because if you read about nitrous oxide use,

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Speaker 1: it may not be chemically addictive, but that doesn't account

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Speaker 1: It also makes me think about Kubla Khan. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: can also be attributed certainly to other things. But it

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Speaker 1: did make me think about Kubla Khan in a different way,

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Speaker 1: knowing that he too was playing in the nitrous oxide pond. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm free, David. Yeah. My thing with Roget's reaction, m right,

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Speaker 1: a lot in relation to like everything that can alter

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Speaker 1: let's let's keep doing more experiments. Guys. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: that I love every time we mentioned Mary Shelley's Frankenstein

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Speaker 1: but many other works of literature and history, that is

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, there is another Frankenstein movie coming

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Speaker 1: one thing. Another sort of side note that jumped out

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Speaker 1: mean to be clear, so no one thinks Tracy was being,

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Speaker 1: just saying, like we were all hyper conscious of everything,

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Speaker 1: War classic episode will be out about how people did

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