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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer,

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Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. Hello, I have never worshiped Satan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to your knowledge? Right. Also, you're missing out. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: Doul Brown. I'm Ben Bollen. What's your position on Satan? Ben?

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Speaker 1: Which one? There's ha Satan? Uh, there's also the idea

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Speaker 1: of the light Bringer. I feel like the concept of

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Speaker 1: Satan from the comic has many aspects, the idea of

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Speaker 1: the anti q oh, the Antichrist is the son of Satan. Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We did an episode years and years ago about the

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Speaker 1: nature and origins of Satan for stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know, and we got a lot We still

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Speaker 1: have the YouTube video out. We had a lot of

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Speaker 1: discourse on that one, because Noel, the devil is on

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Speaker 1: people's minds.

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Speaker 2: Well, the devil is in the details, Ben, that's what

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Speaker 2: they say. Whatever happened to just good old American as

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Speaker 2: apple pie Satan? When did it have to get all complicated?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What happened to the guy who just went down

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Speaker 1: to Georgia? And lost a violin contest.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is funny that you should say that, Ben,

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Speaker 2: we are talking about making a deal with the devil

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Speaker 2: for violin shop, but not the Charlie Daniels band version.

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Speaker 2: Turns out there's a historical president for that tune.

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Speaker 1: Oh what a setup, nol. Yeah, we are if we

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Speaker 1: wanted to do something a little bit halloween ish, a

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Speaker 1: bit HALLOWEENI. You can Seweeni a couple of Weeni's little HALLOWEENI.

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Speaker 1: Here we have all become enamored with the story of

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Speaker 1: a celebrity violinist. A lot of people not in the

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Speaker 1: music world may not have heard of this guy, but

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Speaker 1: in his day, Nicolo Paganini was a real life bad

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Speaker 1: boy rock star, right like you have a past with

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Speaker 1: the violin I like phrasing it that way.

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Speaker 2: Why yes, Ben, Back when I was a small German boy,

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Speaker 2: I too made a deal with the devil at a

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Speaker 2: crossroads at midnight to attain my violin prowess. Much like

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Speaker 2: Nicolo Paganini, though my deal was a little bit second rate.

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Speaker 2: I could not shred nearly as well as the man.

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Speaker 2: He's considered by many. By most who know of him

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Speaker 2: to be a musical genius. He was also like basically

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Speaker 2: a rock star guy, you know rock the long kind

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Speaker 2: of unkempt locks and the un button do you know,

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Speaker 2: silk shirt showing nip. You know, he was a virtuoso

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Speaker 2: and some people believe that all of these powers combined

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Speaker 2: could result from nothing less than a pact with Satan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to get to how that rumor started.

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Speaker 1: But before we do, we've got to dive into his

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Speaker 1: origin story. You'll see why we consider this ridiculous history.

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Speaker 1: We're also gonna call our buddy Nikki the Devil's Violinist.

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Speaker 1: Occasionally no offense to violinist or devils. But this guy

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Speaker 1: is born. It's October twenty seventh, seventeen eighty two in Genoa, Italy,

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Speaker 1: not the most stable time for Italy in general. He's

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Speaker 1: part of a big family, that's right.

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Speaker 2: He was the third of six children. Be isn't that

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Speaker 2: like the literal middle child. Maybe that's where he got

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Speaker 2: the chip on his shoulder to devil worship rie. We're kidding,

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Speaker 2: by the way, these are rumors we're gonna play into

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's fun. We like to have fun here on Ridiculous History.

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Speaker 2: Third of six children born to Antonio and Teresa nee

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Speaker 2: Bocardo Paganini. M.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, so you know how today we call

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Speaker 1: people helicopter parents if they're always sort of living vicariously

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Speaker 1: through their kids and taking them to a million different

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Speaker 1: extra curriculars. You know, like, look, that can be really

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Speaker 1: difficult for the kids, but every so often, you know,

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Speaker 1: it results in a tiger woods And that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what happened with Paganeti because his mom had decided from

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Speaker 1: be a famous violtist. His father was also really gifted musician.

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Speaker 1: He was trying to be a salesman of boat supplies,

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Speaker 1: but wow, yeah he wasn't good as like ropes and

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Speaker 1: stuff and sales like voting pa finalia yeka. But he

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Speaker 1: he unfortunately was not successful with that. He was more

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Speaker 1: successful supporting his family and his six kids by playing

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Speaker 1: music on the mandolin and also sulling mandolin. So that's

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Speaker 1: to sell mandolins. Right, You show up somewhere, you get

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Speaker 1: you can also buy a mandolin. I love the gentle

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Speaker 2: Nothing more cliche le Italian in a music cue than

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Speaker 2: You know it's funny though, Ben, I mean, you may

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Speaker 2: tuned exactly the same as a violin. That's where the

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Speaker 2: olin park comes from, except it has dual strings. The

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Speaker 1: Parent situation growing up.

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Speaker 2: Though it was my father who stood over me assiduously

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Speaker 2: as I practiced violin and would give me a good

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Speaker 2: swat with a bow if I messed up. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: part true, It is very true. It was not the

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Speaker 2: best relationship. Made me resent the violin, but I eventually

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Speaker 2: other things that I enjoyed very much.

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Speaker 1: Like guitar, playing in bands and all of that.

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Speaker 2: So I've forgiven my papa for this transgression, and not

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Speaker 2: to be apologist, but he came to it in his

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Speaker 1: And I today I learned I knew about the tuning,

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Speaker 1: but I did not know about the etymology of mandolin

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Speaker 1: Paganini is training on the mandolin first, and he's doing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for the public. He's already pretty good by then.

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Speaker 2: with the famous violinist and teacher Alessandro Rola, But when

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Speaker 1: That's that's how swatsy with a boat too, That's how

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Speaker 1: the story goes. There is a perspective that we're putting

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Speaker 1: that he definitely went to all three of those teachers.

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Speaker 1: There's no kind of about it. He's a source of legend.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of times you'll hear stories about his

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Speaker 1: they'll say, oh, he's too good, and he was too

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Speaker 1: In March of seventeen ninety six, Genoa is massively destabilized

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Speaker 1: And there was a silver lining here. This is really

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Speaker 1: Paganini picked up a guitar. At some point he became

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Speaker 2: other set of skills, you know, definitely a string instrument

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Speaker 1: Nikki builds a reputation with every single concert he does.

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Speaker 2: Because, like I said of the aforementioned shredding, the guy

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Speaker 2: I mean, I bet you he at some point did

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Speaker 2: Domania RAN's list was similarly a big, showy, flashy performer

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Speaker 1: Often considered the first analog to the rock Star and

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Speaker 2: Very much so, and also the very delightfully schlocky sixties

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Speaker 2: Paganini is in the running for another proto rock star.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah. In eighteen hundred, he and his

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Speaker 1: boding paraphernalia. You can probably hear me rolling my eyes,

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Speaker 1: and that's just because he had to make a living.

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Speaker 1: No one knew what was going to happen to Paganini

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Speaker 1: at this point. He's like seventeen years old. He's already

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Speaker 1: making waves. But you know, sometimes the brightest stars burned briefest,

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Speaker 1: this amazing musical force. In eighteen oh one, he's eighteen

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Speaker 2: Just means you're the best. You know people how they

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Speaker 2: sh shredder the conductor's hand at the very beginning. You

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Speaker 1: Do you know who I love in any orchestra? Or

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Speaker 1: I totally see this. Yeah. Somebody said lightning struck the

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Speaker 2: Lifestyle, it definitely is a thing, and this guy lived

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00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: it many sexual partners. Amid all of those partners was

431
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: at least one who was considered kind of the love

432
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: of his life type figure, a singer named Antonio Bianci,

433
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: who he met in Milan in eighteen thirteen. They would

434
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: do concerts together throughout Italy and had a son together.

435
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: Named Achili Tiro Alessandro born on July twenty third, eighteen

436
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: twenty five in Palermo, baptized at Saint Bartolomeo's And they

437
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: actually never officially legalized their partnership.

438
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: Let's just say they had an entanglement a situationships. They

439
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't do that.

440
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: Situationship came to an end April of eighteen twenty eight

441
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: in Vienna. And then for a little bit of context

442
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: around this part of the world or this part of Italy.

443
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: If anyone's seen the second season of The White Lotus,

444
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: the HBO series about the you know, the resort and

445
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: all of the crimey wymy shenanigans that ensue.

446
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: They go to Palermo.

447
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it is an island like off of

448
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: the coast of I can't remember exactly.

449
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: Maybe it is Milan.

450
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: I think it is where the actual resort is, but

451
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: the Palermo part is where the is where they go

452
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: for the kind of finale, the big climax.

453
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Palermo is the capital of Sicily and Vienna. Austria

454
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: is so not too far away. But when things don't

455
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: work out for them, they're in Austria. That's where it ends.

456
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: If we're jumping around in time a little bit here,

457
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: as is our right, as is our want. Paganini becomes

458
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: a violinist earlier in eighteen oh five for the how

459
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: would you say this, Bacciochi court, Sure, yeah, maybe put

460
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: a little more stank on it, but Ciocchi, all right,

461
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy in Taco Bell

462
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: asked for a case Sudi.

463
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: Do that in honor of my father. He did it

464
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: all the time. I've carried on that legacy of cringe.

465
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: So this guy is he's a court violinist. He's still gambling.

466
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: You know.

467
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: It's the early eighteen hundreds. He is giving private lessons

468
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: to the husband of Alisa Bonaparte, who is Napoleon's sister,

469
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: and her husband is named Felice. And while Paganini is

470
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: teaching this guy to play violin for a decade, by

471
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: the way, he's also sleeping with Alisa.

472
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: What a cat rest scallion, scally wag, yeah, lout rake yeah.

473
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: And he he has to hit the road jack at

474
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: a as a result, the heat's getting too much, so

475
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: he returns to touring. Like you said, Genoah, he's popular

476
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: with local audiences, but he's not super well known to

477
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: the rest of Europe until his first big break in

478
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: eighteen thirteen concert in Milan. This is where he gets

479
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: a huge following. This is where rumors start spreading about

480
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: his spellbinding powers and is packed with the forces of evil,

481
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: by the way, rumors that he never publicly rejected.

482
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It would make sense, you know,

483
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: if he was not a feared for his you know, safety,

484
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: why not lean into it. It's a it's a point

485
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: of interest. I would certainly want to want to get

486
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: in on this particular satanic panic.

487
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, And that's just what it was, right,

488
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: perhaps not as dangerous as the Inquisition, right, if it

489
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: was just a it was a naughty boy who is edgy,

490
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: who is Alice Cooper esque original Edge Lord. Yeah yeah.

491
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: And he leaned into it because he composed what is

492
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: often described just a fiendishly difficult set of variations called

493
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: the Witches l'astrega. Yeah, yeah, just so, and he rocked out.

494
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: This gave him the attention of other prominent, perhaps more

495
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: conservative musicians across Europe. Yeah.

496
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: The thing that was neat and sort of unique about

497
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: Paganini was that he didn't you sheet music because he

498
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: memorized all of his stuff, which gave him the freedom

499
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: to do all of those stage theatrics that we were

500
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: talking about, like you know, swaying quite literally rocking the

501
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: f out, and he started to attract the attention of

502
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: other prominent, yet more conservative musicians across Europe who maybe

503
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: looked a bit of skance.

504
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: At his shenaniganry.

505
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: One of his early encounters with Charles Philippe Lafonte and

506
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: Lewis Spohrer birthed a very intense rivalry.

507
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Yes, which continued for quite some time. He was friends

508
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: with other musics, but not friends with all of them.

509
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: He was old, but like his vibe. Yeah yeah, not

510
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: everything is for everyone. You know. One guy who did

511
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: like him was the Pope. I guess that's a flex.

512
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: In eighteen twenty seven, Pope Leo twelve gave Paganini the

513
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Order of the Golden Spur, which was a big deal

514
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: in the day. We must not have heard the devil rooms.

515
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? You know, I wonder

516
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: about that one too. Honestly, maybe that was a maybe

517
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: he just got co signs from both sides of the aisle.

518
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: I guess, so you know, it's better to have him

519
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: in our corner, right, for when the infernal line comes

520
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: down and starts taking names, his fame begins to truly

521
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: spread across Europe. He goes on like a proper rockstar

522
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: concert tour that began in Vienna in eighteen twenty eight,

523
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: stopped in every single major European city in Germany, Poland Bohemia,

524
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: running until February of eighteen thirty.

525
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: One, when he played in Strasberg. Yeah, and then he

526
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: moves on with more tours around Paris and Britain. He

527
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: gets pretty much unanimous critical acclaim because he's just good. Yes, Yeah,

528
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: he's a badass. He's a bad mamma jammer. As long

529
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: as he could, as long as he could get on stage.

530
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: He was no stranger to chronic illness. We're going to

531
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: dive into that in a second, but we know that

532
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: being a relatively sickly child and sickly adult and also

533
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: frequently touring probably had an effect on his health. And

534
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: then it didn't help that he also got syphilis as

535
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: early as eighteen twenty two. The treatment he was given

536
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: for syphilis was mercury and opium, which are, by the way, yeah,

537
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: not things you should take even if you don't have syphilis.

538
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean opium, you know, okay that you probably

539
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: have a good old time with that, But mercury, they

540
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: kind of went on to figure out that that stuff

541
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: made you crazy. And if I'm not mistaken, soda syphilis, yeah,

542
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: given enough time to metastasize. By the way, Ben, it

543
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: always occurs to me when we're talking about people like this,

544
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: whether they be great performers or speakers or whatever, and

545
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: the thought that crosses my mind is are there recordings?

546
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: And the good news is kind of yes, you know,

547
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: we haven't really pushed this home, but be kind of

548
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: leaning more on his performance skills so that he was

549
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: a composer. Yes, he wrote all his music. He wrote,

550
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: He wrote original music, which required the level and skill

551
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: that he had, and so there would be you know,

552
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: some people wouldn't be able to pull this stuff off.

553
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: You can find wax cylinder recordings in the British Library,

554
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: thought to be one of Paganini's only pupils. Actually I

555
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: think his only pupil Camillo Sivori, and then include his

556
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: Witch's Dance and Savori, who also composed in the style

557
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: of Paganini.

558
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: The second violin can share you.

559
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: I am not seeing if there are any actual pugany

560
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: because I guess he couldn't really do recordings until early

561
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, and we lost him just before the technology

562
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: I think came into it.

563
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: You know what, Let's play just briefly so everybody can

564
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: hear it. Let's play a little bit of a Paganini composition. Yes,

565
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: so here's a snippet of the Witch's dance. The violinist

566
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: shakes the hand, yeah, all right, the conductor's warming up,

567
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: all right, he's doing his own weird hand thing. So

568
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: there's multiple people played. You got to wait for our guy,

569
00:34:53,800 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: the first violin to hop in. Here he comes. Oh yeah,

570
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: So in like the seventeen eighteen hundreds, this would be

571
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: like Harry and Jimmy hendrixh one hundred percent listening to

572
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: those runs.

573
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: I mean he also kind of created some unique stylistic

574
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: touches of his own that we'll get to in a minute.

575
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: But those are called like those really fast runs, glissando

576
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: kind of things. It's very, very difficult, and if anyone

577
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: has ever had a sibling or maybe themselves tried to

578
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: take up the violin, it sounds horrible unless you're really

579
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: really good.

580
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because unlike unlike your favorite guitar, the violin

581
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: doesn't have frets.

582
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: You gotta man, it's a very small fingerboard, you know,

583
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: and you know when you first start. I started playing

584
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: Suzuki violin, which also leans heavily into memorization, which I

585
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: thought was interesting. It tapes little little pieces of tape

586
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: on the on the fret, on the front board, on

587
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: the fingerboard, so that you know where the main notes are.

588
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: But once you start getting more advanced, you start to

589
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: shift your hand around and like shift up and up

590
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: and up, and sometimes do things called like double stops,

591
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: where you'll play two strings at a time and make

592
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: these like little kind of mini chords and.

593
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: All on this tiny piece of physical real estate. It's

594
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: funny the memorization, which I do believe is impressive, just

595
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: the muscle memory of it. It reminds me of when

596
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: I ask my accomplished trombonist friends to show me without

597
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: the trombone what a note looks like, and they have

598
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: it down and it looks really cool when they just

599
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: stretch their arm to a certain degree and say this

600
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: is this and this, uh so shout out to trombodis

601
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't think you get enough love, and you're an

602
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: important part of the crew. How did Paganini get so good? Well,

603
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: going back to that small fingerboard conversation, he was a

604
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: very very flexible guy. He was basically gumby on stage,

605
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: and later historians and researchers would wonder whether this came

606
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: from something called Eller's don Lois syndrome or possibly more fans,

607
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: which people speculate Abraham Lincoln might have had as well

608
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: because of the word.

609
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: Jefford Cox from the bands Deer Hunter has been very

610
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: open about his mar Fans syndrome. He's a very tall

611
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: and lanky fellow and it has actual health consequences with

612
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: it does result in sort of a very tall and

613
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: skinny frame.

614
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And whether you have Mark fans or Eller's down

615
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: los we have a lot of speculation that this condition

616
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: may have been part of how he was able to

617
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: go at the violin with such phenomenal speed and not

618
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: always have to change his position. His fingers were just

619
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: super flexible, which meant that he could hit these huge

620
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: stretches and these runs with relative ease.

621
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not gonna dox anybody, but we do

622
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: have a close friend both of you. You and I'm

623
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: mutual who has dollars dan Low's And it is not

624
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: some sort of debilitating I guess there maybe are our

625
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: stages of it, but what it typically results in is

626
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: just a very stretchy and flexible skin.

627
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a gumby situation. And bro, if

628
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: you're listening, you know, we're saying that out of affection.

629
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: And I love when that guy explains it to people.

630
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: It's always like he's got his presentation down, pat, you

631
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean with the super flexible stuff. Also

632
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: it helps fight wrinkles, right right, Yeah.

633
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the friend that I'm talking about has a perpetually youthful.

634
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Glow and also youthful fun vibe. I love that guy,

635
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: all right. So Paganini widely employs the special effects of

636
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: the violin world. He's got a high speed left hand pisocado.

637
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: He barely touches the strings to make some ghosty sounds,

638
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: and the pisocados where the upper fingers of the left

639
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: hand plucked the string while the lower ones hold down

640
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: the notes.

641
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: Sort of pitsicado in general is just plucking the violin,

642
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: but he's doing a form of pitsicato. That's like even

643
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: more advanced, I think is borderline of his own design.

644
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: So what he would do is he would be plucking

645
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Speaker 2: with his left hand, which is the hand you typically

646
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Speaker 2: push down the strings on the left hand. Yeah, and

647
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: then he could also be he sort of like a

648
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: hammer on on a guitar, where you pull up on

649
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: the string and it makes a plucking sound. But he

650
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: would combine that with hitting it with the bow in between,

651
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: and then aven plucking.

652
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: With the right hand.

653
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: And there are some really really fancy, showy violin pieces

654
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: that incorporate that technique and the ghostly harmonics that you

655
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: were describing. There's a really beautiful piece was when I

656
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: was at my kind of advanced dist in violin called

657
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: the Chardash. It's a very famous you've heard heard.

658
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: Anyway.

659
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: There's a whole part in it that uses these double

660
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: harmonics where you have to so gently touch your pinky

661
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: at an exact fifth interval and just touch it of

662
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: the finger you're putting down the string, and it creates

663
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: this really kind of ghostly harmonic sound. They're called artificial harmonics. Yeah,

664
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: and I'm a nerd.

665
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: And he also had a lot of these double stops

666
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: two notes played simultaneously every way you can imagine a

667
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: bow touching a violin and producing a sound. He did it.

668
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: You know. He basically he knew all the super moves,

669
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: and he had been called by multiple people faultless, beyond imagination,

670
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: utterly unique and gifted beyond, you know, beyond mortal KeNH

671
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: Because he was such a successful virtuoso, it became a

672
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: coup of your own if you were in the audience.

673
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: And he cultivated this is what we're talking about earlier,

674
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: his appearance. He cultivated a purposely edgy appearance. He wanted

675
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: to look like a fan of the film The Crow.

676
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: He was pale, he was gaunt, he had eternally messy

677
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: black hair, he was wore a long frock coat. And

678
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: because he had an earlier botched operation on his jaw, Yeah,

679
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: he had a weird He always had a kind of

680
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: weird expression. So he looked like a spooky guy.

681
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: He did look like a bit of a ghoul, didn't he. Yes,

682
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: just a spooky season you know what. I also bet Ben,

683
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm picturing a bit of a smell. Oh, come on, man, it.

684
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Was don't know why. I just I picture a bit

685
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: of a of a tour bus smell. In this era,

686
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: it was already smelling everything stink, you know what I mean?

687
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: I think that was Oh gosh. We were talking with

688
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: Bahamas about that a while a while ago. Yes, Aj Bahamas,

689
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: Jacob's one of our smartest friends. Remember when we talked

690
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: to Moe Raka and he was just talking about mostly

691
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: said the same thing.

692
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: He was talking about the seventies in New York City recently,

693
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: the seventies everyone smelled like Bo on the subway.

694
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: It's very, very true. This is a different time for Bo.

695
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking our boy Agannini was a bit

696
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: of a stinker.

697
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate to profile. I don't know why, but

698
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: he's got the look. He does have the look, the unkempt.

699
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I bet that Frock coat. Bet it didn't get laundered

700
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: too frequently. Yeah, how many Frock coats did he have?

701
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: That's all?

702
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: Did he even have a closet? At this point, he

703
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: seemed like he was a bit of a transient.

704
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Well, in eighteen thirty six, he goes back to Paris

705
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: to set up a casino and the casino fail. That

706
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: goes well, right now, okay, yeah, it fails terribly cartoonishly.

707
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: Dare I say ridiculously. It left him in financial dire straits.

708
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Not the band.

709
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: You don't have no microwave of it. You know that

710
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: song drops a slur very casually. I did not realize

711
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: it until very recently when I was I was trying

712
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: to show my kid in the video because it was

713
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: that classic early MTV computery video. And then the second verse,

714
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: I mean to be fair, it is sort of playing

715
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: a character who would use that word five.

716
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: But it's not good. It does not age well, no, no, no.

717
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: And then we've got what's the name of that? Is

718
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: it money for nothing? Money for nothing? Is it chicks

719
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: for free? Or checks for free? I think it's money

720
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: for nothing and chicks for free, chicks for free? Okay,

721
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: let us know, let us let us know. Dire straits.

722
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: They're still kicking around, and because the casino is ruined,

723
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: he has to auction off a bunch of his personal effects.

724
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: So if he had multiple frock coats, he doesn't anymore.

725
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: He has to auction off his musical instruments to make

726
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: good on his losses. He leaves Paris for Marseille in

727
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty eight during Christmas. Then he travels to Nice

728
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: in the entire time, his medical condition is getting worse

729
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: and worse and worse. It's eighteen forty. The local bishop

730
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: sends Paganini a priest to perform the last rites, and

731
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: Paganini is pissed off. He pretty much says, come on, guys,

732
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm not dead yet. Why are you here? And he

733
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: turns the priest away because he says, you know, I'm

734
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: not gonna die yet. That's the official explanation. But for

735
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: people who believe the rumor that he was the Devil's violinist,

736
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: they thought he had already sworn allegiance to infernal powers

737
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: and as such could not take last rites in the church. Anyway,

738
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: it looks like the bishop who sent the priest was

739
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: onto something, because Paganini dies a week later, May eighteen forty,

740
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: May twenty seventh, eighteen forty. He's just fifty seven years old. Yes,

741
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: he died as he lived fast and loose. Oh that's

742
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: a heck of a way to describe internal hemorrhagy. I

743
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: know exactly, internal hemorrhaging. Indeed, was this a complication from

744
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: his syphilis? It had to be a culmination of multiple things. Yeah,

745
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about genetic conditions syphilis, tuberculosis, whatever

746
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: else he picked up in his adult adventures. It's a

747
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: weird pause. Try for the diplomacy here, folks. Uh, yeah,

748
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: his This is how we know that he had this

749
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: association with the devil. The Catholic Church denied his body

750
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: a Catholic burial in Genoa, but the Popa loved him.

751
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Papa, Papa, where are you in his hour

752
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 2: of need?

753
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Where is burial? Need? Where is job rule? It took uh?

754
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: But the okay like his fans though, are the equivalent

755
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: of barbs? Is that the Nicki minaj fans.

756
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: Or whatever bars in the behive or swifties in Behi Bayhive.

757
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: There's another what do you know what they called chapel

758
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: ron fans. I don't know that was too new. Chaps,

759
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: the Chapsters. Charlie xc x O G fans are angels

760
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: because Charlie's angels.

761
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: You know, I get it. Well, he had this kind

762
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: of fandom. You know, what do they call it? What

763
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: can we give him a name? Then the Ninis I

764
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, Oh, the Pagans, the Pagans followers. There

765
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: we go. I believe the guy didn't think to start

766
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: a cult of Paganini. I I had a little harder guy.

767
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: I think he was a one on one kind of guy.

768
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: I think that's probably true, you know what I mean,

769
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: and probably with people he's trying to sleep with. That's what. Yeah,

770
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: it took anyways, fans the Pagans uh. They spend four

771
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: years lobbying the Catholic Church and appealing to the Pope

772
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: to let this guy's body be transported back to Genoa.

773
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: He goes on a posthumous tour, he's taken to Genoa.

774
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: He's still not buried. He's finally buried in eighteen seventy six,

775
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: so many years after he dies, he is buried in

776
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: a cemetery in Pharma.

777
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: You know, this reminds me of remember when James Brown

778
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: passed away and like he went unburied for months. I

779
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: want to say, he died on Christmas Day of whatever

780
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: year that was, and they kept his body like in

781
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: a freezer or something, or like a refrigerator in his

782
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: own on his own property, I want to say, because

783
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: there were a lot of legal issues his a state

784
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: and all of that, but it was the weirdest thing,

785
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: like they did. There was a whole like what's the

786
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: deal with James Brown's burial very similar.

787
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is only one story of a musician

788
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: rumored to have sold their soul to the devil. We

789
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: know that Paganini's body was finally reinterred in a new

790
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: cemetery still in part in eighteen ninety six. He has

791
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: found peace. We cannot speak to any direct proof of

792
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: supernatural affiliation, but we can say some people genuinely believe

793
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: he had made a deal with the devil because he

794
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: was just that good. So if you want an obscure

795
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: Halloween costume, or if you don't want to dress up,

796
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: just mess up your hair, put on a long coat

797
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: and tell people you're Paganini for Halloween exactly. I mean,

798
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: fun costume.

799
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: There was one thing in the Beetlejuice movie, the New

800
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: Beetlejuice movie, that I thought was kind of cute. I

801
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: had a little ragged on It's okay, it's fine, but

802
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: the young Lydia Dietz's daughter character played by Jenna Ortega,

803
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: dresses up as Marie Currie for Halloween, and like she's

804
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: got like sort of like like bags under her eyes,

805
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: like it's meant to represent like radiation poisoning. I love

806
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: the idea of deep cut historical Halloween cousin. I think

807
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: Paganini would be a good one.

808
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: That's a cool Yeah, it's a cool idea. The more

809
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: I think about more I like it. I love obscure costumes.

810
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: Not only really backfired once. I don't think we knew

811
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: each other. I dressed as HH Holmes and I looked

812
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: I did it Orange Star No, uh, the serial Killer

813
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: from the Devil with the White City. I was thinking

814
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: of John. Sorry, different different homes. But HH Holmes. Please

815
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: read The Devil in the White City if you haven't,

816
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: It's just a fantastic book. HH Holmes, real monster, kind

817
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: of a deep cut. And here's why I backfired. The

818
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: one person other than my girlfriend at the time who

819
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: recognized was super not chill No was very excited that

820
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: they've met someone dressed as HH Holmes and wanted to

821
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: hang out. What does that say about this person? Not

822
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: not I get you know. First suppressions are the measure

823
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: the within span of a human character. But that lady

824
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: had a creepy vibe.

825
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of creepy vibes and serial killer fandom. Since

826
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: we're wrapping up this episode and Ben, a huge thanks

827
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: to you for putting together this incredible brief on such

828
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 2: an incredibly weird and I guess divisive fellow. I did

829
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: want to make a spooky season film recommendation.

830
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: Let's hear it. It is called.

831
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: Red Rooms, and it is a French Canadian kind of

832
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: procedural horror, you know, serial killer type thing, but it

833
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: is all from the perspective of a super fan of

834
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: this serial killer who is on trial, and it does

835
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: some of the most incredible things with there's I don't

836
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: know if anyone's familiar or it have to be too heavy,

837
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: but the idea of Red Rooms is sort of an

838
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: Internet rumor, kind of like snuff films, the idea that

839
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: on the dark Web there exists these murder films that

840
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: you can bid on or watch cams of or whatever,

841
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: and they are largely thought to be mythical. But in

842
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: the reality of this movie, they are not mythical. And

843
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: this gentleman has perpetrated multiple of these and you experience

844
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: others watching them, but you don't ever see them.

845
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: You just see their reactions and hear the sound.

846
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: And I swear ben it is one of the most

847
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: stunning and haunting horror type films I've ever seen. It's

848
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: up there to me with like a Silence of the

849
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: Lambs type situation. I highly I can't recommend it enough.

850
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: Do check it out, folks. I will do the same

851
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: and let us know your favorite Halloween films and rewatches.

852
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm all, it's always Halloween in America in my opinion,

853
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: so I'm always yeah, so I'm always watching horror films.

854
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: The thanks has always ridiculous histories for tuning in, big,

855
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: big thanks to our super producer, mister Max Williams. I

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Speaker 1: called him the Ookie Boogieman earlier because I was up

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Speaker 1: really late last night and Nightmare Before Christmas came on

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Speaker 1: and I just came on, Ben, you have like cable

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Speaker 1: or something, what do we talk? Well, not to I

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Speaker 1: wrote anybody, you know what I mean, but it popped

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Speaker 1: on and I remember distinctly thinking, well, I can't go

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Speaker 1: to sleep now, I've got to see what happens in

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Speaker 1: this movie that I've watched, you know clearly like thirty times.

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Speaker 2: Well, the four K remaster looks fantastic, stunning, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: very very very cool.

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Speaker 1: A big fan of Night Before Christmas as well.

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Speaker 2: And big fan of you, Ben as well as you

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Speaker 2: superproducer Max as well. As Alex Williams who composed this theme,

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Speaker 2: and huge fans of Christopher Hasiotis and Ease Jeffcoat here

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Speaker 2: in spirit oh.

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Speaker 1: Our buddy Christopher is going to be performing at our

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Speaker 1: local Atlanta Rite Club I Believe on November sixth. It's

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Speaker 1: a good show for a good cause. Check it out

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Speaker 1: if you're in town. We also want to thank, with

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Speaker 1: great reluctance, our pal Jonathan Strickland, who definitely made a

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Speaker 1: deal with the Devil but for podcast Yeah, kind of

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Speaker 1: a similarly bunk deal to the one I'm met for violining.

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Speaker 1: Just kidding, Jonathan, You're great. Yeah, we love you, man

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Speaker 1: jee UIs Ben You got anything else to say? Happy Halloween? Ah, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween. Indeed, we'll see you next time, folks.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.