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Speaker 1: the Bengals have been actively engaged in trade discussions surrounding

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson for weeks. According to teams, they've reached out

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Speaker 1: to Cincinnati only seeking draft capital in return. They're also

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Speaker 1: targeting defensive players and a potential deal. Last season, Hendrickson

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Speaker 1: ranked first and sac first and pressure sixth in pressure

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Speaker 1: rates thirty and havn't played second and tackle for losses

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Speaker 1: the last two season. Off the field, hendricks a defense.

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Speaker 1: With him off the field, OHO, your thirty second pressure

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Speaker 1: rate thirty cis thirty second and success rate thirty second

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Speaker 1: in passer rating. When he's on the field, your top

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Speaker 1: twelve in pressure rates top twelve and success rate top

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Speaker 1: twelve and passer rating. I don't understand this. This is

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Speaker 1: what I don't understand. You knew you weren't gonna play him.

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Speaker 1: They knew that, O yo. But what they thought he

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Speaker 1: was gonna do what he did last year. Oh he'll

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Speaker 1: come in. He told you he wasn't. Just like Chase said,

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Speaker 1: if y'all pull that bull jive y'all did last year,

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Speaker 1: I'm not coming in. He said he wasn't coming y'all

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Speaker 1: knew y'all wouldn't say. I don't understand, oyo, why would

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Speaker 1: you not move him before the draft and get somebody

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Speaker 1: get a draft pick?

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Speaker 2: I listen, I have no idea. I thought maybe I'm thinking,

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe Mike Brown, Katie Troy Duke understanding that Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson loves not just the team, but loves the game

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Speaker 2: of football, and maybe he would fold at some point

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Speaker 2: and come back. And obviously he's one that understands the business.

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Speaker 2: And you got to hit while the fire, Yes, you

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Speaker 2: got to hit while the stove is hot.

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Speaker 3: And this is his time. This is his time to

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Speaker 3: hit based on.

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Speaker 2: What he's done, not just last year, but the previous

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Speaker 2: year as well. But then you also look at from

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Speaker 2: their viewpoint for help. You had seventeen sacks last year,

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Speaker 2: but our defense was horrible.

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Speaker 1: But you paid your quarterback and you two wide.

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Speaker 3: Receivers, but our offense was phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: So remember, make sure I hear this right, This is

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Speaker 1: what Trey Ringo said. He said, let's recap, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: have a generational Hall of Fame quarterback. They paid their

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Speaker 1: two top targets. Despite all this, they missed the playoffs

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Speaker 1: last season because their defense was terrible. So how do

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Speaker 1: they fix that by listening to trade offers for the

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Speaker 1: best defensive player, unsigned defensive end Trey Hendrickson. This is

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Speaker 1: how management fails it's players. Kyle Brandt said, if the

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Speaker 1: Bengals trade trade Hendrickson, it will just be the second

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Speaker 1: time in the modern era that a player has led

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Speaker 1: the NFL's in sack and to be traded the following season.

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Speaker 1: The only other time that happened, Kansas City traded Hall

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Speaker 1: Allen was first Team All Pro three times with the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the reports are saying that they are listening,

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Speaker 2: they're listening to trade offers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they listened to trade off.

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Speaker 1: Oh Joe, but you knew you weren't gonna pay him.

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Speaker 1: He would have made it abundantly clear. You got so whatever,

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Speaker 1: y'all worked behind things. He's like, okay, he came back. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe if I get close there, they see me there, Ay,

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Speaker 1: we can engage again. They were unwilling. He's not gonna

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Speaker 1: take what you're gonna offer him. Seventeen and a half

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Speaker 1: sacks and back to back years. They're not very many

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two has put together seventeen and a

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how you think you got, oh Joe,

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Speaker 1: if you couldn't, if you couldn't stop anybody with him,

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Speaker 1: who the hell you stopping without him? We saw last

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Speaker 1: year Chase had the triple crown, burnt led the league

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Speaker 1: in what passing yards and passing touchdowns? And you missed

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Speaker 1: the playoffs because your defense was atrocious. And what do

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Speaker 1: you do? Clearly, the guy that's leads years ahead of

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Speaker 1: everybody on your defense, it's not even close. And remember,

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Speaker 1: oh Joe, you you released Pratt, your linebacker.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to deal as well, right, went to the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead on Joe.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Chad, let me listen. Yeah, it's the

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Speaker 2: see it. Is we were very bad defensively last year

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Speaker 2: with you, why.

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Speaker 1: You just got worse?

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Speaker 2: What was Samar Stewart def for us this year? He's

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Speaker 1: Many rookies have ever had seventeen sacks in the season.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's gonna get seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I'm just saying, the way the business works, paying

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Speaker 2: what who knows a minimal salary, minimal gallery and could

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Speaker 2: come in and contribute. He might not get seventeen sacks,

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Speaker 1: The most sacks Arabi rookie is Javon Curse in nineteen

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Speaker 3: And I listen, no dishes. I'm not gonna be dishases.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know if he's freaked, we'll we'll have

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Speaker 1: to see. But Freak was special. I played Againt Freak.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was a real deal. He was a

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Speaker 2: real deal. I'm excited, though, I mean I'm excited. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't think whatever

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Speaker 2: And I said it. I said it, and I could

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Speaker 2: say it again. I don't know what we're gonna do defensively,

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Speaker 2: but we have to improve from last year. We don't

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Speaker 2: need you to be the best defense in the world.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to be the best. I just need

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Speaker 2: to wait, let me, let me, let me finish. I

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Speaker 2: need to be somewhere in the middle of the pack

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Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen, be able to make be able to make

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Speaker 3: I don't need you to be number one. I don't

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Speaker 3: need to be number two. I don't need you to

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Speaker 2: I just need to meet us halfway, meet the offense

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Speaker 2: halfway fifteen sixteen seventeen, somewhere around there, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: If you had a Passer ten, if you had a Stingley,

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Speaker 1: if you had a Sauce gardener, you had a Ramsey,

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Speaker 1: if you had one of those top guys, I can

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Speaker 1: say okay o, Jo, you can hold up a little

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Speaker 1: long to get a guyther but y'all don't have that.

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Speaker 1: Y'all best defensive player hands down, and it wasn't even close.

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Speaker 1: It's Trey Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Hm.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Jo, you guys goed thirty eight and lose forty

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Speaker 1: one thirty eight. Oh Joe, you guys go thirty five

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Speaker 1: off the field. Yeah. With that being said, I don't

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Speaker 1: he will have to be curse Micah, Aaron Donald lt.

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Speaker 1: You gonna have to have those kind of seasons on Joe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You listen, you've been around again, You've been around the

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Speaker 2: game for a long time. We've seen situations like this

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Speaker 2: happened occur on many other teams. They don't feel he's

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Speaker 2: worth the price tag that he's asking for. They've already

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Speaker 2: paid te They've already played Chase, they played Joe. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just he's the odd man out.

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Speaker 2: He's an odd man out and now they're listening to

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Speaker 2: trade offers and.

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Speaker 1: Unlet's say, well maybe if you trade him, well, you

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Speaker 1: can't trade it for Michaeh because you can't pay Michaeh.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say who you're gonna trade Who can

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Speaker 1: you trade him for? Because if you trade him just

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Speaker 1: for a draft pick, you don't get nothing to help

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Speaker 1: you this year, and you need help this year.

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Speaker 3: Time out. Rewind that we're rying them right back.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: You just got me excited. You just got me excited.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much money is left over.

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Speaker 1: None.

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Speaker 2: I don't know any it can manipulate the cap and

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Speaker 2: make it happen. Is there any way in this scenario

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Speaker 2: we can get Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have three guys making over forty million on

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Speaker 3: Hey, I like the I like the way that sound.

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Speaker 1: You want to pay Trey Henderson. You want to pay

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Speaker 1: Trey Henderson thirty million, but you're gonna give Michael Parsons

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Speaker 1: forty three forty four million?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and ask your question? Hold of Trey Henderson asked,

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Speaker 2: hold of trade thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Thirty?

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Speaker 3: Hold is Michael Parsons twenty five?

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Speaker 1: It came out early, so you might be twenty six

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Speaker 1: twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Now ask me that question again. Would they pay him

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Speaker 2: forty three? No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't they would Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can ask right now, I can call, I can

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Speaker 1: Right paying They're not there. First of all, they're not

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Speaker 1: paying a fifty five million dollar quarterback, a forty three

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Speaker 1: forty five million dollar defensive player, a forty one million

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Speaker 1: They're not having that. They're not paying that. Hold on,

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Speaker 1: they just ought. Yo, y'all just started spending money two

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Speaker 1: years ago with Borrow. Think about all the great players

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Speaker 1: that you guys have had that have left.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna call somebody upstairs.

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Speaker 3: It is hypothetical.

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Speaker 2: I want to I'm gonna see what they say.

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Speaker 3: Damn I like that. That's that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: DJ Chris Jenkins. I don't know, Ocho, y'all might be

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Speaker 1: with y'all might be in the same situation again, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I have a question. Would it be rude if

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Speaker 2: I called Zach and asked that?

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Speaker 3: That's rude?

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Speaker 1: On you ask whatever you want to ask.

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Speaker 2: Him that's not that's not offensive, right, It's just just

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Speaker 2: a regular question, regular question for what.

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Speaker 3: As Zach Taylor? If if I, if I, if I,

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Speaker 3: if I call him ask? Is that rude?

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Speaker 1: You can ask him whatever you want to. Oho, we'll

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Speaker 1: sit right here and watch. Wait. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the chat believe you call it him, but oh sure,

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Speaker 1: we'll hold on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm texting. Look can you see that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I said, I said, coach, are you up?

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure you up? I don't want

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Speaker 2: to call. It's twelve o'clock. They play tomorrow, so I

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Speaker 2: don't know. It's twelve nineteen. They playing in DC.

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Speaker 3: What's what's what's the time difference in DC?

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Speaker 1: H Dallas is on Central time, DC is on Eastern time.

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Speaker 3: So, oh, it's twelve nineteen. I called Eb. You know

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Speaker 3: EB right know? Every ball.

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Speaker 2: M no, no, but every ball played with with the

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Speaker 2: bangles when you was playing with with with David, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: No, uh no, oh, you're running back.

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Speaker 3: I think every I think every ball might have been

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Speaker 1: Oh Joe. Jerry Jones continues to believe all the all

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Speaker 2: Listen, man, everybody in the chat. I use I use

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Speaker 3: Frank Lucas in American Gangster.

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Speaker 2: He had Blue Magic, best product out there in the business,

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Speaker 3: Cut it up?

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Speaker 2: You don't need to cut it up and any smaller

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys will always be talked about, whether you come

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Speaker 2: I don't listen. I don't He's not in the business

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Speaker 3: You got to start on a helmet.

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Speaker 2: Is gonna look like? Come on, man, it don't got

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, you know that's you look Jerry, But

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys I think I just read today the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: Hey, the man is in the bsiness of making money.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I don't have a problem with that. We

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Speaker 2: Hey, actions speaks loud in their words. Yeah, actions show otherwise.

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Speaker 3: That's it. And then if he's Okay with that, then

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he says the president to the coaches, he says

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Speaker 3: The way he conducts himself when it comes to business.

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Speaker 3: But it is what it is. The Cowvi's America scene.

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Speaker 1: of power. Yeah, y'all don't have the level of players, Dammit.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta realize Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking

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Speaker 4: Damn that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you. The Cowboys brand is so strong.

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Speaker 1: You ain't gotta say nothing nothing. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, outlets, analysts, punts, podcasts, people on the street.

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Speaker 1: Jerry talking to himself talk talking. Man, I forgot what

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Speaker 3: So mhm, you heard what you're heard with Denzel Washington said.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I believe too. I believe you can do two things

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Speaker 1: I believe you can make money and still win.

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Speaker 2: I'm still the most profitable franchise. Yeah, would that much

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Speaker 1: Field, Well, the Cowboys. The Cowboys America's team when they

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Speaker 1: I'll appeal it to the commissioner or someone he appointed.

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Speaker 3: But this is this is the thing.

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Speaker 2: an independent, independent body, independent body, a separate entity away

435
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: from the NFL, do you know who still.

436
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: Controls the power?

437
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: Do you know how they're going to be swede still

438
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: where justice is still not going to be due even

439
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 2: though it's a different entity. Do you do you understand

440
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: that understanding understanding the power structure that you're going up against,

441
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: the chances of winning are slim to none, whether it

442
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: comes from the commissioner himself or whether it's a different

443
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: governing body.

444
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: I do believe I have a bet. Let me ask

445
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: you a question. If I get a speeding ticket, do

446
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: you think I got a better chance of going to

447
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: the court or going to the Chief of police and

448
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: having him hear it? Because think about what happens when

449
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: when when police officers do something wrong, it's few and

450
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: far between that their own department I am Internal Affairs,

451
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: or the governing body that represents the police, the union

452
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: discipline them. Yes, you're right, there's a greater chance that

453
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: the court. And now you look, but the court system

454
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: has said, you know, hey, who that any threat, be

455
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: it real or perceived, Let that sink in real or perceived.

456
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: Yes, you have to understand.

457
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: And you know, well, for those that don't understand, maybe

458
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: on the outside looking in, even with this ruling now

459
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: being able to be or go to.

460
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Speaker 1: Court, they they're gonna appel it now.

461
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: Even if they appeal it. You understand the animal and

462
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: the power structure that you're going up against the machine.

463
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Speaker 2: Have a question, Hu, Yes, in the history, in the

464
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: history of law in general, how many times have the people,

465
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Speaker 2: even those that have been discriminated against, even those who

466
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: serve right and deserve justice, how many times have the

467
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: machine laws?

468
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen often, but you can't get deterred. That's

469
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: imagine if God and the King would have gotten disturbed, deterred,

470
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: or all those people that marched in the fifties and

471
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: the sixties hadn't gotten heard rolls aparts, if he had said,

472
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: you know what, ain't nothing gonna change, So let me

473
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: just go ahead and give them my seat up. You

474
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: know what.

475
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm glad. I'm glad you just said that. Right, I'm

476
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: glad you just said that.

477
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: So everything we've been through in the fifties, right, the sixties,

478
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: all those that sacrifice, yes, we had won that sacrificed

479
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: even recently, brother Kaepernick, Yes, take your knee, Yes, standing

480
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: for something. Yes, I have a question for you. Yes,

481
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: has anything changed since then?

482
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Speaker 1: In the NFL?

483
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: No?

484
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: No, no, not not the NFL in general. Es with

485
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: everyone you just named with fifty sixties, seventies, eighties. Yespening

486
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: has anything changed, yet.

487
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it. Oh Jo. It seems like

488
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: if we take a step forward, we take a couple

489
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Speaker 1: of steps back.

490
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: Okay, but.

491
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Speaker 1: If you talk to me, think about your grandparents, then

492
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: your parents within that same situation, and you said, ain't

493
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: nothing changed, So your minds with just stay in the

494
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Speaker 1: same liberty city, do what they did and not try

495
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: my damn despite to improve the situation. Now where would

496
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: we be?

497
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: We we try our damnage to improve the situations, right,

498
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: that's what you can do. Talk to Wait, let me

499
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: stay with me real quick. Now, there was a time

500
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: in the fifties in the sixties where they were able

501
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: to wear their hoods. Huh, yes, daylight, in broad daylight,

502
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: because it was accepted. So now they've gone away from

503
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: that part. So the hoods are gone. Yes, Now they

504
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: wear roads. Now they hold apples, now that they have

505
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: suits and ties on. Now they have positions of power

506
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: to where Okay, it seems like things that change or

507
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: things may be different, but it really hasn't because now

508
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: they're just in positions of power and controlling everything, and

509
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: that's what they do, and that's that's what the system

510
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: is to me. It's all about understanding the system.

511
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: And being able to fight it. Being able to fight.

512
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: And understanding that I'm going to do all I can

513
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: to try and improve the situations around me.

514
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: It makes some type of impact.

515
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: But the way the ecosystem is built in general, the

516
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: way it's structured, it's built for you never to win.

517
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: But they were they would never allow us to ever

518
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: get in position to be able to make that change.

519
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: And the ones who do that look like us that

520
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: happen to get them and wear the suit ties too.

521
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: You got to play by their rules.

522
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: But see what you did. You see what you're saying.

523
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: But when we get a chance to get in that position,

524
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: do we lift someone up or do we kick the ladder?

525
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: And says I'm up on the top of the roof now,

526
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: so I'm good, I'm up here. I don't want nobody

527
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: to look like you joined me up here.

528
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: They say with one more time, though, listen to what

529
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: I said. When they do allow you and put you

530
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: in positions of power, you have to play their game

531
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Speaker 2: by their rules.

532
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: That's why they're even letting you get in that position

533
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: to begin with.

534
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's correct, but you have to look at it oo.

535
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Think about a system that's been in place for as

536
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: long as it's had. You think you're going to dismantle

537
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: a system that's been into place for one hundred years

538
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: in thirty years, you're not.

539
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: I know, I know one thing, that system that's been

540
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: in place for how long it's been in.

541
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: If they allow you.

542
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: To be in that position of power, you better play

543
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: by their rules, and there's an understanding that you have

544
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: to do that in order to be there.

545
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: But I mean that this is this is a great topic.

546
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not wanting to really talk about policy

547
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but I can go.

548
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: I can go now.

549
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: But I love I love the fact this is nah

550
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: because they said because if you go back and look

551
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: at the ruling, he said, the judge like, ain't no

552
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: chance that this is fair under no circumstance. Even if

553
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: he weren't to appoint someone, it's still him. So you like,

554
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: an arbitrator that he appointed is going to rule against

555
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: the man that appointed it. Right, you're right, make it

556
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: makes sense.

557
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: Now you're right again.

558
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: We go back. I got this feeding ticket, and I'm

559
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: going to the I go to the chief of police. Okay, well,

560
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: guess what the chief is not gonna hear We're gonna

561
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: give it to the corporal. He'll hear it. Hm, he's

562
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: still no, no, no, no, no. It needs to be a

563
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: separate body. That's why the police they do what they do,

564
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: and then guess what your job is done. We go

565
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: into court. Yeah, and now we have a whole different

566
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: body with twelve men and women that's gonna determine it, right, Yeah,

567
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: because if it was left up to the police, they

568
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: would have one hundred percent. Yeah, one hundred percent.

569
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely.

570
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: But just I'm in this case what happened with brother

571
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: brother flore Is and other culture that look like US

572
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: minorities for that matter. I love that they're standing on

573
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: Bennison General and they're gonna get in court, but I

574
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: also do understand the other dynamic of it and understanding

575
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 2: who you're fighting against.

576
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, they got a lot of money. They can

577
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: throw a lot of Look.

578
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: The funny thing about it is the thing about it

579
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: is not even about the money. It's the power in

580
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're

581
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: not at faull because that fight that they're fighting about,

582
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: it's still going on today with opportunities not being given

583
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: to certain individuals that look a certain way.

584
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: Nothing has changed.

585
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: Also when it comes to the quarterback position, that's still

586
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: prevalent in today's game as well.

587
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

588
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to dive deep in and go into

589
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: it and going in depth. But there's so many different

590
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: layers I can peel back, right that I choose not

591
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: to do. But listen, only a blind man, Only a

592
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: blind man when not understand what I'm talking about.

593
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Choose not to understand what you're talking about.

594
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: Those that can see and don't know and gonna and

595
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: are gonna play maybe naive, yeah, and dumb to the

596
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: situation when the facts are clear as day that you

597
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: can see, Come on nine, let's not do that.

598
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: But uh, hey, the man gets to have his day

599
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: in court and we'll see what happens and then you know,

600
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: you go from there. But I can assure you they're

601
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: going to appeal this. That's a battle of Supreme Court

602
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: has ruled in favor of former Head Raiders head coach

603
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: John Ruden in his appeal against the NFL. Ruden will

604
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: get discovery and a day in court. A legend that

605
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked his email

606
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: leading to his firing.

607
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, hey, now that's that's another one that's

608
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: going to be interesting. That's another one that's going to

609
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: be interesting.

610
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Well, you can't you can't appeal. And now they might

611
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: appeal this to the Supreme Court. Right, they might supreme

612
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: because the batt of Supreme Court say naw, no, no, no,

613
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: he gets discord, he gets discossed because, oh Joe, you

614
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: gotta realize it's seventy million dollars at stake. He had

615
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: a ten year, one hundred million dollars deal they fired.

616
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's guaranteed.

617
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: Though.

618
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: You know when coaches get.

619
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Speaker 1: Caught they didn't pay him because they cars. He got

620
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: fired for cars.

621
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: So they're probable cause and getting fired and that that's

622
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: like a player getting in trouble. Condact, get him into

623
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: the team. We can take that money back. Okay, I

624
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: didn't know that part. Yes, I didn't know that part.

625
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So would I be surprised if if if

626
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: they went all the way to the Supreme Court. Absolutely

627
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: would not. The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right

628
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: because remember, you take one, then everybody else feel like

629
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: we got in vulnerable. We got it. We we can,

630
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: we can jump on will get all it takes. Look

631
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: how big the giraffe feels. All it take is for

632
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: one lion. Yeah, the weigh him.

633
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: Down and then then come to rest everybody else.

634
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: That's how they get the unless they kept it. Catch

635
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: it napping. Every once in a while they'll catch it nap.

636
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Catch one napping. He don't let it to getting too

637
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: late to day and he's still rested and they catch him.

638
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: But for the most part, one of those big males

639
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: jep on his back. Yeah, it's a that's four hundred

640
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: pounds and he's like, hey, he can't support that, and

641
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: here it comes. But look the NFL, they've made it

642
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: a buried upon the leclear in the appellate court against

643
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: Brian flor Is. They're gonna appeal. I can see them

644
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.

645
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota.

646
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: Sota, Okay, he absolutely lives. Oh Joe cam Hayward is

647
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: open to setting out regular season games in search of

648
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: a raise. Cam Hayward, who is the twenty second highest

649
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: paid DT, said he's looking to be value. It's hard

650
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: for me. After the year, I had to really justify

651
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: playing at that number I'm playing at. Hayward said the

652
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: team asked him to take a pay cut last summer,

653
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: they ironed out a reworked deal instead that runs through

654
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Hayward responded by bouncing back from an

655
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: injury Mar twenty twenty three season to finish with eight sacks,

656
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: seventy one tackles eleven pass defense as the Steelers went

657
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: ten and seven and reached the playoffs for the fourth

658
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: time in five years.

659
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: Hey listen, Cam, Hayward said, I can't play a fifteen

660
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: million now. Those that are on the outside watching fans,

661
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: NFL fans, oh, the first thing is to say, oh,

662
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: my goodness, you can't play on fifteen million dollars. They

663
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: don't see it from that perspective of actually being an athlete,

664
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: being an All Pro player, and being a d tackle

665
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: that I'm not sure when it comes to the tackles

666
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: where he's ranked when the company tackles in the NFL

667
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: right now as far as where he should be stated

668
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: that next Lawrence one of the betters, the Ed Oliver's

669
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: one of the better, and.

670
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: He's different because he's a five technique because they are

671
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: three four defense. So he's not he's not like in

672
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: your typical like a Warren Sam. He's not like what

673
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: like Aaron Donald, what Aaron Donald was in the forty three,

674
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: He's a three for He's more of a JJ Watt.

675
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: He's a five technique, right, And so don't I don't

676
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: want to. I'm gonna try to keep it simple. But

677
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: if you notice, they got two lives, they got a

678
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: nose tackle, they got two ends, and they got two linebackers,

679
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: so they got four linebackers, Sam and the wheel, a

680
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: mic and a plug, and they got three dollars alignment.

681
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: He's what we call a five technique. He's a defensive end.

682
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: But he played a five technique, not the three technique

683
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: or what we call the under tackle that Joe Green

684
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: made famous, and the Warren Sat, the Johnny Ramdas and

685
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: those the Aaron Donalds, those type of guys. He's a

686
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: five tech. And so with that being said, but the

687
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: Steelers saying, hold on, bro, we just redid your contract

688
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: last year.

689
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: Last year. Yeah, but they asked him to take a

690
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: pay cut. They asked him to take a pay cut.

691
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm assuming because of his injury and his play might

692
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: have been down. So is it warranted that he gets

693
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: a raise at the making.

694
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: One year deal? I agree with you, Ojo. Look yeah,

695
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm just from a Steelers perspective. Okay, Joe, you come

696
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: in there, You're like, hey, bro, I want to ay man,

697
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: I need such and such. Well, you know, o Joe,

698
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: you didn't have the best year. Now, okay, so what

699
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, uh, how about this. We're gonna tell you,

700
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do this. We're gonna give you.

701
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: We'll give you twenty nine We'll give you twenty nine

702
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: million for the next two years. Well that's the risk

703
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: that you run because what he didn't expect was for

704
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: the defensive market to explode like it has. So now

705
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: what looked like a really good deal is like chicken

706
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: feed to him. So now you get Miles Garrett, you

707
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: got his teammate making forty one million, Miles Garrett making

708
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: forty you got a Nick Bosa, you got Max Crosby,

709
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: you got the nail hunter, you got Michael Parsons, you

710
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: got all these guys. And he's like, hold.

711
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: On, yeah, you can't. He can't compare. He can't compare.

712
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Himself because he played.

713
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: He has to compare himself to the D tackles that

714
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: played a five technique.

715
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: You look at even the D tackles. Christian Wilkins was

716
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: making twenty five twenty four million. Look at Dexter lawd

717
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: give me, give me the top five highest pat the

718
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: D tackles.

719
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

720
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm curios because I'm not jeff Jeffrey Simmons got to

721
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: be up there too.

722
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: Over the Yeah, Simmons large. Christian Wilkins was making twenty

723
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: four and a half million. You get picked up.

724
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm trying. I'm trying to think who else D tackles.

725
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: D tackles Oh v by via Ved gotta be top

726
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: five paid as well.

727
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: But him being at twenty two that that's that's that's tough.

728
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: That's you's singing to me. Yeah, I agree to ojo

729
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: is that you know you're looking at guy, I mean

730
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: at defensive players. You got like, okay, D tackles. Okay,

731
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: where the D tackles market, the D tackle market is

732
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: in the mid twenties. He's like, bro, I'm at fourteen

733
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: and a half fifteen.

734
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: So what would make it happen? What would make them happy.

735
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: You think maybe eighteen because.

736
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Jones, Chris Jones is the highest paid at thirty one

737
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: seven fifty matter Beach Jwains from The Bravens twenty four

738
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: and a half, Ola McNeil from Troy twenty four, twot fifty,

739
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: Derreck Brown Carolina twenty four, Quinny Williams twenty four, Simons

740
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: Jeffery Simmons. I don't know why I call it, keep

741
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: humming Simmons simmons Is twenty three five, The far As

742
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: Buckner Coats twenty three, de Ron Payne Washington twenty two five,

743
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence twenty one eight seven five, Kenny Clark twenty one.

744
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: I got I got something for you right here.

745
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: Yea. I'm gonna tell you how the Rooney is thinking.

746
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what Tomin is thinking. Hold is

747
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward.

748
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: Cam Cam came in and in twenty eleven, so he

749
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: at least thirty six at the bare minimum.

750
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: They they're not they're not They're not doing it.

751
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 4: They're not doing it.

752
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: I did everybody, you everybody you just named. Are they

753
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: even thirty yet?

754
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: Jones is.

755
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: Jones is the best Jones that Chris Jones is the

756
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: best best d tackling in the NFL.

757
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: You know Chris thirty one, but I don't think Matta

758
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: beek Way, I don't think McNeil, Quinny. I don't think

759
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: Quentenny is is quenty thirty. He might be.

760
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: Thirty six.

761
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Come on now, Queen Williams twenty seven.

762
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: Damn listen, Quinn. You remember Quinn Williams with you on

763
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: on Draft Night? Yeah, sneeze and he said he blessed himself. Hey,

764
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: but thirty six, I mean listen.

765
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: And I see O Joe, it's gonna be hard for

766
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: them to put put him in that situation. And because

767
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, fifteen, can you give me the twenty?

768
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: Okay, what twenty?

769
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: Ooh?

770
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: Oh? Maybe you know what we can do. We can

771
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: give something to signing bonus.

772
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: We'll take some of the money on the back end

773
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: and bring it on the front end and put it

774
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: into a signing bonus.

775
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: So done, But guess what that does. Take That takes

776
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: off next year's cap. That takes money off next year

777
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: by sally, And now that fifteen is ten. Yeah.

778
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm just trying to find out way.

779
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: I know it's going to be very difficult, but knowing

780
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: him and him saying he's gonna stand his ground and

781
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: not play. That's gonna be tough because now you're going

782
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: into a season where you're trying to compete in the division.

783
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: You have Aaron Rodgers, and the defense.

784
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Is stacked with all the people that you just added

785
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: your identity. Now I'm not calling you a goddamn still Curtain,

786
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: but with the t with the players you have on paper,

787
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: you should be very good and be able to weekend

788
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: and week out, especially in AFC North and against other

789
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: teams that you do play agree and you are an

790
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: intricate part of that defense. Is the captain that matters more.

791
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: You're one of the captains of the defense.

792
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: Damn man. That's that's tough. That's tough for the Steelers.

793
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, remember the other night we talked about Dalvin

794
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Cook and I say his value somewhere between eleven and thirteen.

795
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: Hey, I say, I say, I said thirteen to five.

796
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: So where do you call that?

797
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: What? James Cook? James Cook twelve twelve, four years forty eight.

798
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: I said, the max they'll probably be is four years

799
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: fifty two. But I can see you know, eleven, eleven

800
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: to thirteen, he's gonna follow us somewhere eleven thirteen, I

801
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: say not. He got not the fifteen. He ain't breaking

802
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: up bred.

803
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 3: Right, listen, got he got thirty.

804
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: He's gonna be all right. See that thirty every dollar,

805
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: so he's gonna be alright.

806
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: But hey, he's like, nah, y'all not going to get me,

807
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: y'allen to give me something in to play on this contract?

808
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: H CAMPB. Cam Ward believes he has a top five

809
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: receiver corps in the NFL. Right now, Oh Joe, do

810
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: you believe that the Titans have a top five receiving corps? Uh?

811
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Top five Eagles.

812
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Let's let's go through.

813
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: Bucks Bucks Uh Lions.

814
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: One of the packers in there, Lions packers.

815
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: Vikes, I said, when Terry mclauren comes back, him and Debo,

816
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: even though they haven't played together, we know what they

817
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: can do.

818
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: They've they've shown enough over the years.

819
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: What about the Rams, I mean, we're pooking the cop

820
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: in DeVonta.

821
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Rams, pok pooking the Core and DeVonta Adams. Obviously we

822
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: know what dolphins, oh, Tyrek and water?

823
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: What about the Bears?

824
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

825
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: Dj Burden you know he he oh? Hold on, we

826
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: know a title lock you could do we know that

827
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: Calvin Calvin really is that?

828
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: Boy?

829
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: Does they doude? They have a top five receiving corp.

830
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say top five, That's all I want to hear. Yeah,

831
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: hey they have. They have a very very good receiving

832
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: Calvin really though p.

833
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: F F has them at the third worst receiving corp.

834
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: For real bait.

835
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: Listen, look Browns based on Browns, then the Patriots, and

836
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: then they got the Titans.

837
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: I see, Oh that's tough.

838
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: I just know they wasn't five.

839
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you gotta believe it ain't not top five.

840
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: But you have to say that you're for You have

841
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: to have to feel that way about sometimes.

842
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: You got a lot to him, O Joe, A lot

843
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: to him?

844
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: Hey whoa how did we even mention Ceedee Lamb and

845
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 4: George Pickens.

846
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 3: Man?

847
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: We didn't, but you did, So there you got.

848
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 3: You gotta feel that way though.

849
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. If you don't believe that about your team,

850
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: who will, right? And who's the.

851
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: Number three over there in Tennessee?

852
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: Now, now you got me thinking, Tyler Calvin, Really, who's

853
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: the number three?

854
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Chad?

855
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: Who's the number three? Somebody tell me who's the number

856
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: three and.

857
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: Uh number three to the number third. Wivet Van Jefferson.

858
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Van Salad. Van was with the Ring.

859
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Yes, with Pittsburgh. Where was you last year?

860
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? I said, since he first, I said, since I thought.

861
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: He was a Pittsburg last year old Joe. Yeah, Cam

862
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: your look, I appreciate you pumping up your squad, but

863
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: y'all not top five. I'm not even sure y'all top

864
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: ten when we when we really get down to and

865
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: we start naming, naming receiving cords.

866
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 4: Oh, Joe, hey, I know one thing. Cavin really is

867
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: that boy.

868
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: But it's more, it's more than to make over to

869
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: make a receiving course, more than one. That's about the

870
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: Supreme Court has ruled in favor of former Head Raiders

871
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: head coach John Gruden in his appeal against the NFL.

872
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: Ruden will get discovery and a day in court. A

873
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: legend that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked

874
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: his email leading to his firing.

875
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: H yeah, and he's hey, now that's that's another one

876
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: that's gonna be interesting.

877
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: That's another one that's going to be interesting.

878
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: Well, you gave you can't appeal. And now they might

879
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: appeal this to the Supreme Court, right, they might supreme

880
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: because the battle Supreme Court say nah, no, no, no,

881
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: he gets discord, he gets discovered because oh Joe, you

882
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: gotta realize it's seventy million dollars at stake. He had

883
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: a ten year, one hundred million dollars deal. They fired.

884
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's guaranteed.

885
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: Though.

886
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: You know when coaches getting.

887
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: They didn't pay him because they cause he got fired for.

888
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: Cars, So they're probable calls and getting fired and that

889
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: that's like a player getting in trouble. Contact, get them

890
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: into the team. We can take that money back. Okay,

891
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know that part. Yes, I didn't know that part.

892
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So would I be surprised if if they

893
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: went all the way to the Supreme Court. Absolutely would not.

894
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right because remember,

895
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: you take one, then everybody else feel like we got invulnerable.

896
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: We got it. We we can we can jump on

897
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: the will gain all it takes. Look how big the

898
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: giraffe feels. All it take is for one lion. Yeah,

899
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: the weigh him down and they are come to rest.

900
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: Everybody else.

901
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: That's how they get the unless they kept it. Catch

902
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: it napping. Every once in a while they'll catch him.

903
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Catch one napping. You done let it to getting too

904
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: late to date and he's still rested and they catch him.

905
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: But for the most part, one of those big males

906
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: jap on his back.

907
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah it's a rap that's.

908
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: Four hundred pounds and he's like, hey, he can't support that,

909
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: and here it comes. But look the NFL, they's made

910
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: it the bury upon the lyclear in the the appellate

911
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: court against Brian Flores. They're gonna appeal. I can see

912
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: them appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.

913
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota Sota.

914
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: He absolutely lives. That'ster another joint practice fight between the

915
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: Ravens and the Commanders. The Ravens issued this statement. Recognizing

916
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: the logistical challenges with our team's previous game schedule on

917
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: different days and the added strain on players heading into

918
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: a short week, the Ravens and Commanders are mutually agreed

919
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: to no longer hold joint practices next week. Instead, we'll

920
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: constant right on preparing for the upcoming preseason matchup. Uh oh, Joe.

921
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn yeah, I like it. I like it. I

922
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: mean it's cool.

923
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: But at at times, uncle, you get tired of going

924
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: against yourself. At times you get you get tired of

925
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: going against yourself. The funny thing about it is the

926
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: joint practices. They're going to be scuffles. There have been

927
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: scuffles in every joint practice every season, back the date

928
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: when I was playing. I'm sure there were scuffles. Oh

929
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: you said you guys didn't have joint practices.

930
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: But we did. We did, Oh you did.

931
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: Oh.

932
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: But if it won't a joint practice, hell, you'd be

933
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: scuffling against each other.

934
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: Get it all out of your system now.

935
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: One thing we haven't seen in a very long time,

936
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: except a few instances, is us as players actually fighting

937
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: in a game.

938
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Now, hell no, that cast your money.

939
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: Here are a few instants they don't play. I remember

940
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: one time I can only count three. I can't remember

941
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: the receiver's name. Chat, you could probably help me out.

942
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: The receiver who got upset at CJ.

943
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 3: CJ.

944
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson, Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, and then like

945
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: when the play was over, got the receiver and then

946
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: I remember Odell and Josh Norman.

947
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: Yes, now that that was, and the most.

948
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: Prevalent and consistent of battles was Mike Evans and Marshaun Lttimore.

949
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: I think Steve Steve Smith got into it with a

950
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: few people back and forth with nothing that really came

951
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: to blows like the ones I just mentioned and I.

952
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: Cannot figure and Jalen Ramsey.

953
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: And Andre Johnson, Yeah, and.

954
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: And Classic A team, Khalid A team you said, a

955
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: key to Lee.

956
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: And Michael Crabtree. Outside of that, I mean that that's it.

957
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: It happens very very, very very very It didn't happen often,

958
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: but it does happen.

959
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: A build up to it. This is something that happened

960
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: over years. It ain't just one game. Here is a

961
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: pattern and it's like, okay, enough is enough because Dre

962
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: told us he's like, man, he had been doing this

963
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: stuff for some years and they just built up and

964
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: it's just that day, like you know what, I'm finna

965
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: put my foot down. Actually I'm fin to put my

966
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: foot in his ass. And so it was a build up.

967
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: But you know, when you enjoyed practice, you got close

968
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: proximity because when you flying, you got flying The BWI

969
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: Baltimore Washington International Airport it's fifty sixty miles, right if

970
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: that so you know the close proximity, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA.

971
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: Everybody say were the toughest, we the baddest, and we

972
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: get it right. I just for me, I didn't have

973
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: that kind of time because I was exerting all my

974
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: energy in practice. I ain't got time to be fighting. Look, hey,

975
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: how we doing this? We're doing it snapped the whistle

976
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: or snapped it after the whistle. I just need to

977
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: know so that way, Hey, I'm clear on how you

978
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: play it, so I can play just like that. And I, hey,

979
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: we're not finna do no shoving or so how we doing?

980
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: Are we protecting each other? And throw your ass over

981
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: the pile of what we do? And I just need

982
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: to know because I can do it any kind of way.

983
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you're not the one thing A

984
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: karma's got got a lot better lot. Karma used to

985
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: take years.

986
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes Karma instant, Oh yeah, most definitely.

987
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: Like INMSTACR. You know you just like dang, I don't

988
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: know how I'm gonna get this. I got to go

989
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: to the grocery store. You can already, now you can

990
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: EMSTACR and stuff. I guess, oh yeah, and they'll bring

991
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 1: you exactly what now. Sometimes they bring it to you. Yeah,

992
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: most definitely. But uh so, I guess I guess the

993
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: Ravens and and and and and the uh the commanders

994
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: they had a joint they were having joint practice and

995
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: they've just been fighting.

996
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 3: Huh damn.

997
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

998
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: I saw some footage on Twitter today where it was

999
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: a big scuffle.

1000
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: I'm I'm assuming they use something maybe from last year,

1001
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen any scuffles of recent But I mean,

1002
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: this is smaller than the coaches.

1003
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 3: You know, prepare for the game, prepare for the.

1004
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: Last thing you want to do is get somebody hurt. Hurt.

1005
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, most definitely.

1006
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: Definitely, you get somebody hurt because Dan, somebody get hurt.

1007
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: And if it's a key player, right, oh, ain't gonna

1008
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: be no more practicing at all. So we fight every

1009
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: snap we fight.

1010
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. I like it.

1011
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: You know, Look I get it because a lot of times,

1012
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: because you know, we're doing nine on seven the dbs

1013
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: and wide receivers doing one on one. He who win, y'all?

1014
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: Y'all got him?

1015
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: Right?

1016
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: May healing these foods down here.

1017
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Hey, listen, that's what

1018
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 3: we got from the Titans. The Titans and Falcons. They're

1019
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 3: joint practice.

1020
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: They going at it back and forth because one Tennessee

1021
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 2: player said, Okay, they got us today, but we're gonna

1022
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: get there ass tomorrow exactly.

1023
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: If that's what Mind said.

1024
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it's all about competing.

1025
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: It's all about competing.

1026
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: Those that have already made the team.

1027
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: You want to make sure you look good and be

1028
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 2: able to put on the show in that joint practice

1029
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: and let him know I'm still him whoever it is,

1030
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: and if you're not him, I'm trying to make a

1031
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: name for myself right here until I get to do

1032
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: it on Sundays at one o'clock.

1033
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: If I'm not here, I'm trying to be him. But

1034
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: in the meantime, o Jo, you're talking about we're gonna

1035
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: get the ass back tomorrow. Coach ain't trying to hear that.

1036
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: He gonna curse me out for the next two hours

1037
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: in meeting, right right right, So I got to hear

1038
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: his mouth first of all. I had to hear your mouth.

1039
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: How y'all dealers at on the practice field, and then

1040
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: I gotta go to meetings, gonna get it from Mike.

1041
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it from the O C. I'm gonna

1042
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: get it from my position. Coach. Nah, bro, you're not

1043
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: gonna do that. And now at one point in time,

1044
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: now we might get as a team because I can't

1045
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: control everybody. I'm just one of eleven. But when it

1046
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: comes to my one on one matchup, coach ain't gonna

1047
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: do nothing. Pat me on my back and say good jobs.

1048
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: Huh. I need that. I promise you that I need that.

1049
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: Listen, they coach're gonna be a your coach, You're gonna

1050
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: be needy, gona have foots in your butt, not mine.

1051
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely Listen. They call it a team game.

1052
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: Uh, yes, they call.

1053
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: It a team game. They say it functions well. It

1054
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: functions well when you play as a team. But what's

1055
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: fail to realize is when you break it down, all

1056
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: it is is eleven.

1057
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: Players, eleven individual matchups, eleven individual matchups, and when each

1058
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: one of you win that matchup.

1059
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: It works. Wonders. It works wonders.

1060
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: But the funny thing about it is, sometimes there are

1061
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: weaknesses in that eleven.

1062
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 3: Week to week, there's always a weakness somewhere. Yes, so coaches.

1063
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: That's what coaches come to play. I know what this

1064
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: player does well, I know what he doesn't do well.

1065
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: It's a chess match between coordinators on Sundays.

1066
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: How do I hide the weaknesses and put certain players

1067
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: in position to make plays?

1068
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: Right? But it's even even, and joint practice is scripted

1069
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: because they want to look at certain they want to

1070
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: stick look at certain formations against certain defenses. You want

1071
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: to see certain defenses against certain formations. So everybody's trying

1072
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: to do everybody's favor. Now we don't go okay, eight

1073
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: nine oh seven, a good solid thud, pad on pad,

1074
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: square up. Just tell this met me know, Hey, you

1075
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: going across the middle. Hey, guys gonna put pads on

1076
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: you and they're not gonna take to the ground, but

1077
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: be prepared for a collision.

1078
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, get yourself.

1079
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. Now. If they done told us

1080
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: one thing and all of a sudden you want to

1081
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: be a hero, Okay, don't worry about it. I get

1082
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: you back.

1083
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it changes everything.

1084
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: You damn right, it does because you're not finna get me.

1085
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: And then you go over to you the sidelines and

1086
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: slap head and slap high fives don't worry about it.