1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Rees and I'm Lauren Vocalbaum, and today we're 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: talking about the Cuban sandwich. Yes, I'm so excited. I'm 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: so excited, so hungry, oh yeah, yeah right now. Yeah, 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: I did just eat lunch, so I'm managing to not 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: be starving despite this was a very craving, heavy research 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, section yeah, I it was bad. One of 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: the hazards of the job, Lauren. One of the hazards 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: of the job. It is. And so you know, I 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: just want y'all know that, like we feel you when 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: you write it and you're like, you're like, I love 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: your show, but stop making me hungry. I can't stop. 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: Won't stop. That's just what it does. That's just how 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: it is. As I say, it is what it is. 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: Thank you do your listener, Amanda for the suggestion, because yes, 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: this is one of my very favorite sandwiches. Although Laura 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: and I were discussing beforehand, small town rural Georgia girl, 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: I I've only had probably five in my life for 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: what Yeah, And so when we were talking, we're going 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: to talk about a very uh infamous rivalry city rivalry here, 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: And I can't tell you for sure which version I've 22 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: had if either of those who knows, I just know 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: pickles and mustard were involved in a lot of salty 24 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: meat and buttery bread. Yeah, well those are all things 25 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: that should be on there, yes, in either version or 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: any version I suppose. Um, I grew up close enough 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: to Miami that there were there there were a lot 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: of Cuban immigrants in the area. I grew up in 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale or suburb of Fort Lauderdale called Coral Springs, 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: and um, and so yeah, we were very lucky to 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: have of just amazing Cabano food everywhere. And so when 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: you're like I've had it like five times, I'm like 33 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: five times a day, Like what I've like, what, Like, 34 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Um, I've had countless um 35 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: Cuban sandwiches and uh yeah one of my one of 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: my favorites as well. And uh gosh, yeah, like I 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: think I remember the first time that I ever had 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: when it was I moved to Florida when I was 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: in maybe fourth grade, and uh and yeah, like the 40 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: first time that I went to someone's birthday party, there 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: was a big platter of Cuban sandwiches, and I was like, 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: what is this magic? See I remember the first time 43 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: I had Cuban sandwich. I was we might not have 44 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: even been in the Buckhead office in Atlanta. We might 45 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: have been at our current office. Uh I, it was 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: sort of like you were saying when he went to 47 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: is h part the first time I went to Atlanta 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: from a small town. I made this list of all 49 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: these foods I want to try, and I still have it, 50 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: and sometimes I look at it and I get nostalgic 51 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: of like, oh but it was on there, and I 52 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: would just like work my way. But I didn't have 53 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: car in Atlanta. This is not a good city if 54 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: you don't have a car. So certain things just took 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: me like years to mark off that list. But do 56 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: you even sandwich is one of them? And I do 57 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: feel like, again, this could have just been me moving 58 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: from somewhere small to a city. I do feel like 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: there was a surge of popularity right around the time 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: I moved in the Cuban sandwich or maybe I was 61 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: just becoming aware of them for the first time. Hard 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: to say, hard to say, yeah, But I suppose this 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: brings us to our question. Yes, the Cuban sandwich. What 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: is it? Well, the Cuban sandwich, sometimes called the cubano, 65 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: is a type of sandwich that it can be made 66 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: in a number of ways. Um, but the perhaps traditional 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: makeup is um ham roast pork, salami, Swiss cheese, sliced pickles, 68 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: and yellow mustard um stacked up on a long, soft, 69 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: slightly crusty loaf of white wheat bread. That's a that's 70 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: then pressed flat on a griddle and heated until the 71 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: bread is toasty and the cheese is melty and everything 72 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: is warmed up, just resulting in this absolute ummmy bomb um. 73 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: And and the bread is um. It should be crunchy 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: on the outside and soft on the inside. And the 75 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: different pork products lends this depth of textures and flavors. 76 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: You get this bright twang from the mustard and the pickles, 77 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: a crunch from the pickles. Oh, it is such comfort food. 78 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely Like every time I have one, I know I 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: love them, And every time I have one, I'm like, 80 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: this is even better than I remember. How is this possible? 81 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: So good? On a side of Medoro's? Oh my heck um? Okay, anyway, 82 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: that's that's a subject for another day. To the sandwich. Um, 83 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: people get very particular about the exact ingredients, very particular. 84 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: Um that the ham should be a sweet and salty 85 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: honeyed ham. The roast pork is marinated in a Cuban 86 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: style pork mojo, which is which is a type of 87 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: sauce made from fresh garlic paste, o regano, cumin, and 88 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: salt and pepper, all bound together with olive oil and 89 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: the juice of sour oranges. Um, ideally sour oranges. They're 90 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: sometimes hard to find in the US, and so I've 91 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: seen them like a combination of orange juice and lime 92 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: juice used, but sour orange is the best. It's really 93 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: like bright and garlic, spicy and herbal. So good. Um. 94 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: Some people smoke the pork roast as well. Uh. The 95 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: salami should be Genoa style, which is a type of 96 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: salt cured pork sausage seasoned with garlic and pepper and 97 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: wine and allowed to dry and ferment until it firms 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: up into like a mildly spicy product that's still tender 99 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: with that and has this really distinct tang from fermenting bacteria. Food. Wow. 100 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Another surprise, yep, yep, it's it's everywhere it's The bread 101 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: involved should be Cuban bread, um, which is a type 102 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: of wheat flour bread made in these long baguettes with 103 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: them with some lard or shortening in the dough that 104 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: makes it really flaky and tender. And the crust is 105 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: so thin and crisp, like a almost like a cracker 106 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: and um. Depending on where it's made, it might be 107 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: a flattish and kind of squared off at the ends, 108 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: or rounder with bald dens. Uh. Different people disagree about 109 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: some of the other details as well. Um. Some say 110 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: that sour dill pickles are the only way to go, 111 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: only sliced long ways and sliced super thin. I have 112 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: had it with other types of pickles, though, oh yep, 113 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: well blasphemous. I love the specificity. You know, sliced long 114 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: ways is important, Okay, okay, Um. I've had it with 115 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: American cheese instead of Swiss. Oh oh dear. Some folks 116 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: don't include the salami, and that is in fact the 117 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: way that I had it growing up in Fort Lauderdale. 118 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know that that was a thing the people 119 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: felt very strongly about. Now I really want to try 120 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: one with salami. Who um, The way that you slice 121 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: the roast pork can vary, like you can do like thicker, 122 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: chewy slices versus pulled chunks versus like paper thin, melty slices, 123 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: which is my preference. Um. Some people add a spread 124 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 1: of mayo or spread of butter. The way you stack 125 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: the ingredients matters. I do not even want to talk 126 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: about whether the mustard goes on both sides of the bread. 127 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't have time today. Well, you're gonna have to 128 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: share that with me later. Now I'm just gonna be 129 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: wondering what does Lauren think about the mustard on the bread? 130 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: I'd be thinking about the mustard on the bread? Oh man, 131 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: what if I embarrass myself in front of someone? I 132 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: don't want that. I don't think you want that for me. 133 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: There's there's opinions. Um, some people, some people use a 134 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: panini press with ridges. Some people don't press the sandwich 135 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: at all. Uh. You can serve it room temperature, and 136 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: you can serve it with lettuce and tomato. I am 137 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: only reporting the facts. I like this. I like this, 138 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: like touch of horror and judgment that's happening. Do you 139 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: talk about serving a cubano room temperature? With lettuce and tomato, 140 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you talking about. That's no 141 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: longer a cubano. That's a different sandwich. Leave my cubano alone, 142 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Let us away from me. You come near me with 143 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: a fannini brustless weear Okay, you know you know it's 144 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: it's it's fine. It's fine. I eat eat food the 145 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: way that you like to eat it. Your choices are valid. Um, 146 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: it's you look physically pained to say it, but I 147 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: do believe you believe it, and I will say, like, 148 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: in every article I read, people have strong opinions about food, 149 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: you all, and we always encounter that when we researched. 150 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: But for this one, I feel like it was in 151 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: every article I read. Yeah, people came out strong with 152 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: don't you dare even talk to me? You've had three 153 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: more than three pickles? You're out here? Uh yeah, It's 154 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: it's something I and I found myself. It's so funny 155 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: because I I didn't know that I had such strong 156 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: opinions until I started reading all of these things and 157 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: and and seeing and like reading all these different recipes 158 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: and um, the photographs the people included with these recipes, 159 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: like some of them like I just looked. I looked 160 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: at the sandwich and it looked delicious. Okay, but like 161 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: I was like, that's not a Cuban something primordial with 162 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: the borrows. Yeah. My like lizard brain like reared up 163 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: and was like, no, okay, okay, I'll be with the 164 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: Cubans in front of you, with the Cuban sandwiches. Gosh, 165 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: but any anyway, Um, alright, alright, okay, what about the nutrition? Um? Well, 166 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: it depends on exactly how you make it, clearly, but 167 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: you know this, this tends to be a pretty calorie 168 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: dense food because of because of the facts that the 169 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: ingredients contain. Um. It's usually pretty high in salt content. Um. 170 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: But also how in protein. Um. It will fill you 171 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: up and it will keep you going. Um. As always, 172 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: I recommend eating vegetables when you can. Um. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 173 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: we don't have too many numbers for you. We have 174 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: two number related facts. Uh yeah, there's there. There is 175 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: a Cuban Sandwich Food and Art festival every year in 176 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: Ybor City, which is um near Tampa. It features international 177 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: entries into their sandwich competition. The sandwich competition, by the way, 178 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: is called a SmackDown and it includes categories for historic, 179 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: non traditional, traditional, slash World's Best, and there's a popular 180 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: vote as well. Oh that sounds like a delicious competition, right, 181 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: But then I bet it gets pretty intense in there. 182 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure. I'm I'm not positive that I would 183 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: want to figure out which sandwiches go in the non 184 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: traditional and the traditional category exactly exactly. And then I mean, 185 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: as we're about to get into the historic section, it 186 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: could be a little intentious as well. So well, if 187 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: anyone's ever been let us know. Yeah, yes, absolutely, Um, 188 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not they're they're not sure as of right 189 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: now whether the festival is being held this year. It 190 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: was supposed to go off in May. Um, but uh, 191 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: right now it's rescheduled for November, I think November eight. 192 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: But um, but but well, we'll see, we'll see how 193 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: the world's doing. We'll see. Yeah. Um, I will say 194 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: there were this episode in a lot of ways reminded 195 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: me of about the muffle Lett episode we did. So 196 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: there were numbers on like how many pieces of slices 197 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: of bread in one city or one place makes for 198 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: these and it's a lot well in Miami and Tampa. Yeah, 199 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: but okay, I learned that some subways in Miami have 200 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: Cuban sandwiches and pot belly too, I think, which blew 201 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: my mind. Blew my mind. This is like when I 202 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: went to Australia the first time and there was avocado, 203 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: which back then you couldn't get that, at least to 204 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: the summer. Yeah. So that wow. Yeah, I had to 205 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: fight to get my first first keeping sandwich subways. I 206 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: can't speak for quality. I won't make a stand on that. 207 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: I I don't. I've never had one of those, Um 208 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: from a subway. I can't. I can't tell you. I 209 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: can't tell you what it's like. Mm hmm. I have 210 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: my thoughts, my suspicions, but I you know, I'm I'm 211 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: open minded in many areas. It's not all, but many. 212 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: But Okay, we've been hinting at this, this history behind 213 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: the sandwich for a while. Yeah, um, and we will 214 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: get into that as soon as we get back from 215 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our sponsor, and 216 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsors, Yes, thank you, so yes. 217 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: This episode is a tale of two cities, Miami and Tampa, 218 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: who both fiercely, fiercely like claim to the Cuban sandwich. However, 219 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: the sandwich, or at least the precursor to it, is 220 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: from Cuba. It's from Cuba. Yes, So I'm just gonna 221 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: say it. Oh, Okay, don't Lauren. I hope this doesn't 222 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: change of friendship. I'm fine, just trying to report the 223 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: facts as an unbiased outsider. I don't know it would 224 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: make sense that the Cuban sandwich is somehow from Cuba. 225 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: It does. Indeed, so the Cuban sandwich are the beginnings 226 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: of it probably dates back five hundred years. Historians think 227 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: it the invention of the Taino tribe on Cuba before 228 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: the arrival of Europeans. The Chino tribe was one of 229 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: these three cultures that lived on Cuba. Tampa food chemists 230 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Jorge astar Kisa believes that the tribe used a cracker 231 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: like bread product made from yucca to sandwich either fish 232 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: or some type of bird into this early Cuban sandwich. 233 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: When the Spanish arrived on the island, they brought pigs 234 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: with them, and not long after that, the indigenous people 235 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: were introduced to things like ham and pork, and those 236 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: meats found their way into the sandwich and the bread 237 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: was swapped out for something more joey, more Bready. The 238 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: Cuban tobacco industry spread to Florida in the mid nineteenth century, 239 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: first arriving at Key West and then on up to Tampa. 240 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: And Tampa is a growing port city with the right 241 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: climate for tobacco and a fancy new railroad, so it's 242 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: kind of ideal for this, this whole jump for for 243 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: the tobacco story. And from eighteen eighty to eighteen ninety, 244 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: the population of Tampa went from about seven hundred to 245 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: five thousand mm hmm. Thousands of folks of Cuban, Italian 246 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: and Spanish descent settled in Ibor City, which yes, is 247 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: a neighborhood founded by Cuban cigar manufacturers. Yeah. These immigrants 248 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: in Key West and then Tampa were the first major 249 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: populations of Cubans in America. UM, mostly working class people 250 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: fleeing the struggle for independence in Cuba. Um and Ebor 251 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: City was named for the cigar factory owner um One 252 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: Vincente Martinez Ibor who um who moved his operation to 253 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: the Tampa area after a fire destroyed his original factory 254 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: in Key West. And Ibor City was once known as 255 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: the cigar capital of the world at its peak, producing 256 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: more than Havana, and most of the people that lived 257 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: there worked in these factories and needed a lunch that 258 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: was quick and convenient and inexpensive like a sandwich. Ahaps mayhaps. 259 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: And this is where it takes a turn. This is 260 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: our big twist in the Cuban sandwich episode. So the 261 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: Cubans who immigrated to Florida brought their Cuban sandwich with them, 262 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: where it was influenced by the Spanish and Italian cuisine 263 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: in the area, which explains the salami for instance. Yeah, 264 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: one of the original bakers of Cuban bread and Ebor 265 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: was a sicilian um when Francisco for Litha, who opened 266 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: this bakery there called Lahoven Francesca In. The bakery would 267 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: close in the nineteen seventies, but it ran for that 268 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: entire time and now houses the Ebor City Museum. Yeah. Um, 269 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: So at this time, to set the sandwich apart from 270 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: the new Florida take on it, Cubans living in Florida 271 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: started calling it the Cuban sandwich. You wouldn't need to 272 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: call it that Cuba because it was just sandwich or 273 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: or by some accounts, English speakers started calling it the 274 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Cuban sandwich because they mostly sell Cubans eating it, while 275 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: Spanish speakers called it mixed oh because of the assortment 276 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: of meats on sandwich mixed beats. Speaking of at the time, 277 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: the sandwich probably came with ham, pork, turkey, Genoa salami, 278 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: pickle slices perhaps three which I love so much, um, mustard, 279 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: Swiss cheese, served on a long white bread loaf. According 280 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: to the menu at Columbia restaurant, a Ibor City institution, 281 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: the sandwich, which they called quote a Tampa Treasure, began 282 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: as a lunch for cigar workers in the eight nineties. 283 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: It's been on their menu since they opened in nineteen 284 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: o five. They come up. This restaurant comes up pretty 285 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: much every article I read about the Cuban sandwich, and 286 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: the menu continues quote the sandwiches under which changes as 287 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: immigrants from different countries came to Ebor City. The Spanish 288 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: brought the fine ham, the Sicilians at the Genoa salami, 289 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: the Cubans the Moho marinated rose pork, the Germans and Jews, 290 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: the Swiss cheese, pickle and mustard, which is the lovely story. However, 291 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: some food stories point out that this maybe the stuff 292 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: of sandwich legend rather than actual history. Um, there's not 293 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: any real proof to anything they said. I mean it 294 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: makes sense in some ways, but there's nothing like concrete 295 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: to back it up. And you know, certainly pickles were 296 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: probably around. I know. One of food to stories was like, 297 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, you can't really say figules were probably there. 298 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: And also of note, Miami was still pretty new city 299 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: in nineteen o five when Columbia opened up. I was 300 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: trying to stir up anything. I'm just uh, yeah, Miami 301 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: was only incorporated in eight six UM, whereupon it only 302 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: had like three d residents UM. And it would not 303 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: have a large population of Cuban immigrants until the nineteen 304 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: sixties UM when many were fleeing the revolution. So right, 305 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: so just just saying that, just saying it right there. Yeah, 306 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: I'll just leave that there. There's a popular legend that 307 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: says that the sandwich was actually the result of a contest, 308 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: and I love how many episodes we have where contests 309 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: are involved amongst ebor cities. Cigar factory owners they offered 310 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: a reward to the chef that could come up with 311 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: something that could fill their workers up and keep them 312 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: going as you say, Lauren, uh and not make them sleepy, 313 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: which also fun. Also no record of that high the 314 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: so sure. Yeah. Then in nineteen fifteen, a Spanish immigrant 315 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: by the name of One More opened a bakery and 316 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: ebore called La Primera, and they specialized in Cuban style 317 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: baked goods, including Cuban bread. And they scored their bread, 318 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, like gave it the cut along the top 319 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: so that some steam can can escape during baking, so 320 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: that the bread will rise more evenly. They did that 321 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: by placing this the thin sharp strip of palmetto leaf 322 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: lengthwise along the loaf before baking. Um and the offshoot, 323 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: Lasagunda Akery still makes it to this day, still owned 324 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: by the same family. They're one of the one of 325 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: the Cuban bakeries that like, certainly if you have had 326 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: a Cuban sandwich in Tampa, possibly if you've had one anywhere. Yeah, 327 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: there's a decent chance that they baked that bread. Yeah, 328 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: I think that was the place I was thinking of 329 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: when I mentioned how I reminded me of the muffle 330 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: Ata and those stats of how much bread that they 331 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: sit out every day. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, that came 332 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: up in the there was a SmackDown between two like 333 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: MPR writers, one from Tampa, one from Miami, and one 334 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: of them, the one from Tampa bought that up. It's 335 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: like probably in Miami you were having yeah this bread. Yeah, 336 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: it was so good. Um So. Ibor City took a 337 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: hit during the Great Depression when cigarettes became a cheaper 338 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: tobacco alternative, and then during the nineteen fifties again as 339 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: more and more automobiles took the street. The streets in 340 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: that neighborhood were largely too narrow for cars. Um So, 341 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it unfortunately ended up getting destroyed, but 342 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four it was designated a National Landmark. 343 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: The first Miami style Cuban sandwich might have been served 344 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: that same year in nineteen seventy four at a restaurant 345 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: called the Latin American Cafeteria in Miami. In twelve, Tampa 346 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: put forth an official resolution to name the sandwich. The 347 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: quote historic Tampa Cuban Sandwich. Oh yeah, bald move rolls 348 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: right off the tongue. Um. And it came with a 349 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: very specific recipe for what it entails like, It's like 350 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: ten steps uh ingredients methods. I loved it. The order 351 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: in which you stack everything, that these three pickles no more, 352 00:22:53,080 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: no less imper picualty. There's I could come up with 353 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: that later. Yeah, yeah, and it's really fun. I love 354 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: recipes that read like you're reading a science experiment or something. 355 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: I loved it, But anyway, Miami didn't. They were not 356 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: having it. In response to the resolution, the mayor of 357 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: that city, Thomas Regulado, said, the Cuban sandwich came in 358 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: our raft from Cuba and asar Kisa, which is a chef, 359 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: the chef we mentioned earlier. When asked about this, he said, 360 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: to call Miami the originator of the Cuban sandwich is 361 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: the biggest lie ever. It has absolutely no roots. There 362 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: were no Cubans in Miami at the time. It was 363 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: all swamp lands. Yeah, the biggest lie ever ever period 364 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: that it. It might be one of the biggest sandwich 365 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: lies ever. I'm not coming out. I'm not saying, I'm 366 00:23:52,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: just saying, if it were true, un get so much angry. Um. 367 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Food storians say that do to the large Cuban population 368 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: in Miami, many of them arriving after the Cuban Revolution. 369 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: Like you said that the sandwich went mainstream because of that, 370 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: so it might not have originated there, but Miami certainly 371 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: propelled it to stardom. And there are a lot of sassy, angry, 372 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: outraged news pieces, um that came out of both of 373 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: these cities from all of this. Oh yeah, yeah, and 374 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: it can it continues. Um. One of one of my 375 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: favorite pieces that I read was back in twenty nineteen, 376 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: the New York Times Crossword Sunday cross Words specifically had 377 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: had a clue that read a city famous for its 378 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: Cuban sandwiches, and it was five letters long and the 379 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: answer was not Miami. Oh cross retrol. Wow. I can't imagine, 380 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: like I go, you know, I wake up in the morning, 381 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: having my cup of coffee, trying to relax, Yeah, and 382 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: then getting trolled by the dying crossword, by the New 383 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: York Time Crossword. I'm sure they got a lot uh. Um. 384 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and I'd say that, I'd say that 385 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: right right around when, um, when Tampa tried to pass 386 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: that resolution. Uh, it really started rising to start them 387 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways. The Cuban sandwich had 388 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: a starring role in Jon Favreau's film Chef Um. And 389 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: there's this really cute scene of John like Amo, like 390 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: like making the roast pork, like making them all home 391 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: and making the pork. And it's like it's like inappropriately sexy. 392 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm like John, like was Emma'll get out of here. Um. 393 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: But yeah. And then in a group of students from 394 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: the University of Miami made a documentary about the sandwich 395 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: called a Mixed Ocubano The Origin of the Cuban Sandwich. Yeah. 396 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: People are determined to like claim to the sandwich in 397 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: a very specific way. And it just makes me laugh, 398 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: um because we can relate. Oh sure, yeah, and there 399 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, like like the Sunday or um, what are 400 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: some of the other ones. Yeah, like just hey, it's 401 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: it's cool. It's cool to be passionate about stuff. It's 402 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: cool to have, you know, local pride. Yeah. I feel 403 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: that Cuban sandwich in your heart. Yeah. Oh man, oh 404 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: I definitely have a Cuban sandwich in my heart or 405 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: at least my arteries. I don't know either way. I 406 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: want one right now, so much? Oh so much. Okay, 407 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: that's fine though, um yeah, yeah, and uh you know 408 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: I also um uh being from the from the east 409 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: coast of Florida, South Florida, Um, I didn't really get 410 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: over to Tampa ebor area until I was in college. 411 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: I went to University of Florida up in UM up 412 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: in Gainesville, Uh, and I had some friends from the 413 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Tampa St. Pete area. But um so I've I've hung 414 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: out in ebor Um, but I've never had a Cuban 415 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: sandwich there, which I'm now shocked about. I'm like, because 416 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm pretty sure I don't. I'm like, did 417 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: I eat there or did we just go to clubs? 418 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm not positive? Yeah, yeah, But now I'm like, oh, man, 419 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: I need to go. I need to go, and I 420 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: need to have some of this Cuban sandwich that has 421 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: salami on it and and I will accept it however 422 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: they make it, and I'm sure it will be delicious. Oh, 423 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure about that. Would you say that? Would you think, 424 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: like in Atlanta, which version would I be getting? The 425 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Miami style? So the Miami one is perhaps like more mainstream, 426 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: like I think it's probably more ubiquitous. Yeah, okay, well 427 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: then I'll have to seek it out as well to 428 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: a taste test. Yeah. And if any listeners know the 429 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: answer to these Cuban sandwich questions or have Cuban Sandwich 430 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: opinions are from these cities. Oh please send them their away, 431 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: Oh my yeah, yeah, or I don't know, like if 432 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: you also have like memories of guaboween and like you know, 433 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: if you are also a golf of a certain age 434 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: um and uh you know hung out in ebor um. 435 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know right right, and let us 436 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: let us know how all that went. The Golf of 437 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: a certain age needs to be a book or something. 438 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw that out there. But yeah, we 439 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: always love hearing from you speaking up. We have some 440 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: listener mail, we do, but first we got one more 441 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor. And we're back. 442 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, and we're back with 443 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: sack Down Sandwich City. SmackDown. Uh, Chloe wrote, I recently 444 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: listened to your episode on box Bag Wine and I 445 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: was surprised that good and wasn't given an honorable mention. 446 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: Goon is the name effectually given to box cast wine 447 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: in Australia, with Golden Oaks fruity Alexia being a prominent brand, 448 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: even as a phrase that goes with it food Alexia 449 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: makes you sexia love it? Um, but onto the main 450 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: point of this email. You briefly touched on gage related 451 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: to cast wine in your podcast and going a Fortune 452 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: was missing, Yes, sweet a. In Australia, this is a 453 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: game commonly played at eighteenth birthdays and New Year's Eve parties. 454 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: Partygoers will each bring a box of wine. We then 455 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: remove the inner bags, known as goon sacks, from the 456 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: boxes and pin them to the hills hoiselotheline. Players stand 457 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: underneath the hills Hoise, which is then spent around. When 458 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: the hills Hoys comes to a stop, each player that 459 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: happens to be below below a goon sack must drink 460 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: a previously designated amount of goon from the sack that's 461 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: landage above their head. I don't know many party games 462 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: more quintessentially aussy than Goon of Fortune. Okay, I love this. 463 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: I love it, and I wanted to read it because 464 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: I know we've read several about it, but I feel 465 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: like each one has slightly different rules. Um, which like 466 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: the specific brand and then this was a designated amount, 467 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: whereas others it was like not a designation. Yeah um yeah, 468 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I've very much enjoyed reading about this. I'm 469 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: still shocked we didn't because clearly it's a big it's 470 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: a big thing. I think I think it was one 471 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: of those you know, search term issues because you know, 472 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: not not knowing the term goon right and generally searching 473 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: box or bagged wine instead of cask wine. Right. Sure, yeah, yeah, 474 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: sometimes you make those Google mistakes. We all know about 475 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: those googles. Oh gosh, oh gosh. Lauren made one this 476 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: very episode when she looked up the subway cuban sandwiched 477 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: in an ad break. I regretted it, y'all. Um, Yeah, 478 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: it's so that minor existential crisis aside, all right, um, 479 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: Amanda wrote, I usually don't have much to contribute when 480 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: it comes to writing in but after hearing your boxed 481 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: wine episode and the throwaway snippet about alternative methods to 482 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: opening wine, I knew my time had come back when 483 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: going traveling and pregaming before parties were a thing. Me 484 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: and some friends were getting ready in our hotel rooms 485 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: in Vegas. One of the girls was kind enough to 486 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: bring a sickeningly sweet muscato for the rest of us 487 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: who preferred not to immediately jump into Jack Daniels and coke. 488 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: The only problem was it wasn't a screw top, and 489 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: none of us had a wine opener. Now, granted, we 490 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: could have most likely gone down to the gift shop 491 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: and bottle wine open area in hindsight, maybe even ask 492 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: the concierge. But I had seen all sorts of nifty 493 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: ways to open a wine bottle without an opener, and 494 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: what better scenario to test them out than right now. 495 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: I tried the shoe trick, banging away at walls and 496 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: floors with the bottom of the bottle to no avail, 497 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: but the chagrin of our neighbors, I tried wrapping it 498 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: in a towel and also hammering it out, surprised to 499 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: no one. Still, no dice um gravity was not working 500 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: for us, and we didn't have a screw to try 501 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: that trick. But we're a bunch of ladies in Vegas, 502 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: and I, being the mom friend, came prepared with tweezers. 503 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: I plunged those poor tweezers straight into the cork and 504 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: tried to wiggle it out, only to have another problem 505 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: on my hands. The cork was falling to pieces everywhere. 506 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: After several agonizing minutes of hacking away at this poor cork, 507 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: completely ruining my tweezers. We got the bottle open with 508 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: a few cork pieces left floating in there and all 509 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: over the bathroom floor. It might not have been the 510 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: quickest or easiest wine cork hack, but it got the 511 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: job done and gave us all a pretty hilarious story 512 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: to look back on. I have been there, um, and 513 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: it's funny. There are a few times I've ever felt 514 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: so I ended up using a brush like a the 515 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: handle of a brush. Okay, And there are a few 516 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: times I've ever felt more like a monkey or some 517 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of creature trying to get into something than that. Uh, 518 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: But I mean I feel Amanda, who also was You're 519 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: the she was the listener that recommended the keeping sandwich, 520 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: So thanks for that. I feel it was pretty ingenious. Tweezers. Tweezers. Yeah, 521 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, Gosh, I don't know what I would 522 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: have done. I would have called the concierge. I definitely 523 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: have done that before. I also once was in Vegas 524 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: and I had a qurkscrew and it broke and instead 525 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: of like all my friends were like, we can just 526 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: go get into when we can call the concierge, But 527 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to fix this, and I 528 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: spent like way too long I did, but like by 529 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: then everybody sort of moved on. I'm still They're like, 530 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: I'll get it. No, I can get it, it can 531 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: still function. I'm man, the toolmaker. I am clever. Yes, 532 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: and no, I see you, I see you know, but 533 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: but but his good job. You got it. Hey, you 534 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: got your wine. 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