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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the OTP. I'm Amy Wells,

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Speaker 1: joined once again by the draft duo Dave McGinnis. Coach

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Speaker 1: Mack is here, Hey, Coach Hi Amy Wells, and Rhet

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Speaker 1: Brian is also here. Hello Raett, Hi Amy, Coach Mac.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back on the ODP. Hello Ratt. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Always look forward to being with you guys talking draft.

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Speaker 1: It's so good to see you guys and your respective

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Speaker 1: backgrounds on this zoom call. Truly such great insight into

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Speaker 1: your lives. I like it, Technology Gurus. Amy. Now, as

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Speaker 1: we're getting closer to the draft, we have more position

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Speaker 1: groups to dive into, and today, guys, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about running backs and I want to start out

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Speaker 1: with a very simple question. And Coach Mac, I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you, do you think a running back is going

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Speaker 1: to go in the first round of the twenty twenty Draft.

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Speaker 1: To me, there are three running backs that have first

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Speaker 1: round ability, whether they go in the first round or not,

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Speaker 1: because of the abundance of other types of positions that

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Speaker 1: I think are higher ranked than the running backs are.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to give you three names that it

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Speaker 1: would not shock me if one of them went in

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Speaker 1: the first round. The first one is DeAndre Swift from Georgia. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think this is definitely a first round talent. JK.

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Speaker 1: Dobbins from Ohio State has done enough to display first

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Speaker 1: round talent. And then in my horizontal rankings where my

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor out of Wisconsin. Those three names amy to me.

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Speaker 1: If somebody were just going to say, who do you

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Speaker 1: think has the talent in the running back position to

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Speaker 1: warrant top thirty two pick, those three would be my names.

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Speaker 1: The number one being I think will go is DeAndre Swift.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't disagree with that at all. If there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a back taken in the first round, it

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Speaker 1: will be George's DeAndre Swift. But coach Mac is a

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Speaker 1: thousand percent right those other two backs, Taylor from Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: and JK. Dobbins from Ohio State. Certain Leak would have

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Speaker 1: a first round grade in this but as he mentioned,

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Speaker 1: because the move to get quarterbacks, pass rushers, tackles, which

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Speaker 1: you're good in this draft, and certainly the rich wide

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Speaker 1: receiver draft that this is, it bumps likely a running

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Speaker 1: back out of the first round. So there'll be a

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the second round with those names

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Speaker 1: and a few others. Now, Mac, what are the merits

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Speaker 1: of drafting a running back in some of the later rounds,

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Speaker 1: because we seem to see that a lot as a

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Speaker 1: draft unfolds, running backs seem to fall back into some

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Speaker 1: of those round two, round three, round four areas. Running

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Speaker 1: Back amy is a position of the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: and this has historically been true that can contribute immediately

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Speaker 1: when they come in because the requisite steals that make

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Speaker 1: you a top running back in the cuble A, regardless

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Speaker 1: of what division you are playing in the ncable A,

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Speaker 1: those traits transfer to the running game in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League, and so you're able to get guys, particularly

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Speaker 1: in those middle rounds, that can contribute. Some of the

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Speaker 1: better backs in the league, that have had better histories

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Speaker 1: the way through to free agents that have had really

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Speaker 1: more quickly to immediate help, in my opinion, than any

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Speaker 1: other position on the football feed. Now, Mac, I want

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Speaker 1: has signed his franchise tag. What type of back could

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Speaker 1: you why. The one thing that separates himself from Zeke

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Speaker 1: But if he can sharpen up his skills at that

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Speaker 1: a guy that could be a potentially good fit for

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. What is it about him that you

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Speaker 1: similar skill sets to him? Well, I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: what I always like to do. It's like we're in

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Speaker 1: a draft meeting. When we're doing this, you're the general

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Speaker 1: on John Taylor. I start off with he's got outstanding

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Speaker 1: can change direction. Now, look, this guy's had a lot

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Speaker 1: which he is. His weaknesses. I think his labal quickness

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Speaker 1: He's got that. I think he will still be a

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Speaker 1: Here's what I like about DeAndre Swift. You can do

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Speaker 1: because as we all know, Orgia has always done it

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Speaker 1: Swift has played against athletes like he's going to play

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League, especially defensively, from the Southeastern Conference.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift has competed against these people, right, who are

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Speaker 1: some of the guys that we could see come off

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Speaker 1: to Derrick Henry and the Titans offense, he's a really

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Speaker 1: These guys are going to be there in these in

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Speaker 1: with his potential. That's Michael Warren of Cincinnati. This is

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Speaker 1: I got plenty of names. Amy. To me, it's really

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Speaker 1: There are running backs because most college football teams, Aimy

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Speaker 1: some of these chips fall. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Amy, always a pleasure. Thank you GM, Amy,

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Speaker 1: Thank you head coach Dave McGinnis, Forrett Brian, for Dave

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Speaker 1: McGinnis and his notebook full of names. I'm Amy Wells

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Speaker 1: and this has been the OTC