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Speaker 1: Now let's start the show. Welcome to a special year

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Speaker 1: in edition of Club Scheche. Since launching this podcast in September,

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Speaker 1: This episode is featured the best segments of those discussions

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Speaker 1: from Isaiah Thomas's reaction to MJ's comment in the Last

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Club Shasha in twenty twenty. I

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Speaker 1: moments of the year. See you in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: All my life and running all my life, sacrifice, hustle

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Speaker 1: I've been grinding in all my life, all my life

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty got off to a terrible start because

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Speaker 1: we we got some news on a Sunday, the last

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Speaker 1: tragically lost his life in a helicopter accident. Where were

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Speaker 1: I don't see it, I don't believe it, and it

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Speaker 1: when I was like, oh, my God, like that that

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Speaker 1: I was stuck because you just think about what he

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Speaker 1: it was really the perfect storm. Oh it was a

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Speaker 1: And it was kind of like I just remember running

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Speaker 1: no way, Oh my god, dang, this dude is killing.

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Speaker 1: So the horn goes the horn goes off, and you

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Speaker 1: I knew, I knew what he had his last two

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Speaker 1: This loan just haven't seen it. Did you watch the

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Speaker 1: Last Dance? Yeah? I watched it. I watched it. I

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Speaker 1: watched it with great fascination, and I watched it with

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Speaker 1: great disappointment because you heard a lot of the guys

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Speaker 1: chime in and say, well, Isaiah did it to himself,

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Speaker 1: and nobody wanted to play with Isaillah. But I've heard

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Speaker 1: so many of these other players say, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to be the best of friends. If the common goal

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Speaker 1: is about winning, well, the common goal was about winning

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Speaker 1: the gold medal. Well, if the common goal is about

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Speaker 1: winning the gold medal, who cared? If you're best friend

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Speaker 1: with Isaiah? Hey, you know what I agree? With you.

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Speaker 1: I'm just using what Isaiah, I'm just using what they say.

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00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: They say you do not have to be best friends

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Speaker 1: with a teammate. You don't have to go out to dinner.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to go to the movies. We ain't

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Speaker 1: got to bring out wives and kids together. All we're

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Speaker 1: trying to do is win a title. So you mean

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Speaker 1: to tell me, even though you might not have liked Isaiah,

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00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: you couldn't set that aside to win a gold medal.

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Speaker 1: So now it matters if you get along, whereas before

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Speaker 1: you're telling me as long when you win a championship.

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Speaker 1: Because it's hard for me to leave. I know, I

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Speaker 1: played the team sport. Everybody on a fifty three three

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Speaker 1: man roster ain't friends and they ain't friendly. So this

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Speaker 1: notion that you need to be best of friends, hold on, y'all.

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00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: Ain't look like y'all all hanging out. Oh you know,

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Speaker 1: we're going over seeds and so everybody's out every night together.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're gonna have your wife and kids. Y'all

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Speaker 1: probably would have been touring Barcelona and doing your thing

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Speaker 1: just like everybody else was doing their thing. I don't

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Speaker 1: that's that's one of the problems that I have because

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Speaker 1: I followed the game for a long long time, Isailla

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Speaker 1: and I say, I don't care what y'all tell me.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah was one of the twelve best players in the

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Speaker 1: NBA at the time. Well, he the all time assists leader,

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Speaker 1: I said. John Stockton wasn't at that time either. He

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Speaker 1: became that I'm talking about at that moment when they're

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Speaker 1: making that selection. Isaiah Thomas was one of the best

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Speaker 1: players and you can himss me otherwise. His resume say so.

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Speaker 1: But they let personal feelings get involved in this odes. Well,

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Speaker 1: after watching Last Dance and just you know, and we

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Speaker 1: won't dance around it here, don't dance around they do it,

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Speaker 1: it seems like there was only one person that had

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Speaker 1: a problem with it, right, and that was Jordan. Now

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Speaker 1: I didn't at that time. I didn't realize and even

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Speaker 1: even until I watched the Last Dance, I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that he felt the way he felt about me, because again,

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Speaker 1: Shannon and I I had never had no no you know,

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Speaker 1: dad words with him or anything like that. We played,

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Speaker 1: you know, his team one and my team won. We

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Speaker 1: went home, they went on again. We didn't have to

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Speaker 1: enter that and as you can see what I saw.

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Speaker 1: But I saw in terms of the Chicago Bulls. You

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Speaker 1: know all night life wasn't as good as we were.

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Speaker 1: You know, we wouldn't you know that that's not how

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Speaker 1: we we we and I got down, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: so most of and when I look at that dream team,

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Speaker 1: right I had I mean, we we we knew each other.

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Speaker 1: But the only person that I really knew on the

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Speaker 1: dream team was Magic and a personal relationship because again,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was in school, you know, I was,

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Speaker 1: I was married, I was doing my thing. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't. I wasn't hanging out like trying

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Speaker 1: to be friends and all that stuff. So there's nothing

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Speaker 1: so and so you believe you believe, I mean after

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Speaker 1: watching that that the one guy that had a problem

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Speaker 1: with you was the reason that you weren't on the team.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going by what he said. It's Charlotte Wilder

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Speaker 1: here to tell you about my new podcast with Mark

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Speaker 1: Titus called The People's Sports Podcast. It comes out every Thursday,

494
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: and Mark and I take one of the big stories

495
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: of the week and then we go off on tangents

496
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: you never saw coming. This might mean that we start

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00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: talking about the Dodgers winning the World Series and end

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00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: up wondering if Nick's fans deserve happiness, or begin with

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Speaker 1: lebronze greatness and end up drafting our ultimate Beer League

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Speaker 1: Softball team made up of old athletes. Whatever. It is

501
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: the only rule of the shows that it has to

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00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: be fun and funny because these days we can all

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00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: use as many laughs as we can get. So check

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00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: it out wherever you get your podcasts and come down

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00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: weird sports rabbit holes with us. We can't wait to

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00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: have you. Why do you think that George Floyd murder

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Speaker 1: hit us so different because they're with Eric Garner. There

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00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: was Philando cast Deal, there was Alton Sterling, there was

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Speaker 1: Walter Scott, and there was sand Bland. There was camiraor Rights,

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Speaker 1: there was trade Bard Martin. There've been so many. Why

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Speaker 1: did this resonate so much, not only in the black

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Speaker 1: community but seemed to grip America? Well, you know, we

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Speaker 1: as a people never accepted slavery correct, We never went

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Speaker 1: for that. You know, I don't care what they tell you.

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Speaker 1: That was never cool with us, and we wasn't never

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Speaker 1: down with it. We tolerated it, we lived under it,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't accept it. No, we had to, you know,

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Speaker 1: to survive. And so when when one one of us

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Speaker 1: would get out of hand, they would pull everybody around

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Speaker 1: to watch the discipline take place. And we've seen that

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Speaker 1: in movies countless of times. Correct, this was a replayer

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Speaker 1: that seeing this man begging for us life, even to

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Speaker 1: his mama, and so to have a man on top

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Speaker 1: of him with his hand in his pocket looking right

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Speaker 1: at the camera, let us all know that our life

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Speaker 1: means nothing and that's unacceptable in twenty twenty. It was

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Speaker 1: unacceptable back then, but we couldn't do nothing about it.

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Speaker 1: Now we can do something about it, and we're not

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Speaker 1: going for it. And you know, I always said the

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Speaker 1: country has got to change, or we will change it.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening right now. We're in the process

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Speaker 1: of changing it and it's gonna happen. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: that's why now is the time. Why is it so

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Speaker 1: hard for those outside of our communities to hear our cries,

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Speaker 1: to see us as human not less? Then why is

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Speaker 1: it so hard for people to accept that there's something

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00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: raw in America and we won't change it. Why is

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Speaker 1: it so hard for them to see that well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not happening to them. You know, usually people are

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Speaker 1: really concerned about their own situation, their own family. It's

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Speaker 1: not easy for the average wide American today. So he

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Speaker 1: maybe feels or she maybe feels like, hey, this is

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Speaker 1: part of it, you know, this is part of the

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Speaker 1: struggle of pull yourself up by your bootstraps. But if

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Speaker 1: they realize we've never even had a pair of boots

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Speaker 1: to pull ourselves up by, so speak as a as

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Speaker 1: a community, and even when we tried to prosper, it

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00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: will stumped out in uh, you know, in different places

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Speaker 1: across the country like Tulsa, and you know, and would roads,

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00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: would other communities that we know about and hear about,

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00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: and the ones that we haven't heard about. So you know,

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00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: our progress is sabotaged in a lot of ways. It's

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Speaker 1: a systematically fixed where you know, that's why they're so

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Speaker 1: surprised when one of us get through and get ahead

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00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: and and don't count me and you we we we

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Speaker 1: go through the path that's at least resistance, which is

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Speaker 1: entertainment in sports, right, you know, we gotta look at

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Speaker 1: you know, how many people you know are not Ice

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00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: Cube and Shannon Sharp and how can they get through? So,

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Speaker 1: you know, just to end that, I just think it's

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00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: people just look at their own situations and if it's

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00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: not happening to them, it's hard for them to understand.

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Speaker 1: What role does the athlete play? And I can in

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Speaker 1: any athlete that's willing to use their platform and speak up,

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00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: but that's not what they signed up for. Guys that

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Speaker 1: went into civil service, the guys that went into to

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Speaker 1: be a politician, the Chuck Schumer's, the Nassy Pelosis, the

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Grail, Marco Rubio, Kim Scott, that's what you signed

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Speaker 1: up for. But it seems to me it's always been

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Speaker 1: the athlete that's normally been at the forefront of these movements,

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Speaker 1: especially ours African American people. I mean, other athletes have

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Speaker 1: been credible and on the front lines, but for black people,

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Speaker 1: it's because when we didn't have black politicians, we had

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Speaker 1: black musicians, and we had black athletes. Before we had

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Speaker 1: William Dawson or Adam Clayton Powell, we had Duke Gallington

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Speaker 1: and Lewis Armstrong right Bay Colt Baby and so we

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00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: were those athletes, right, we had Joe Lewis, We didn't

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Speaker 1: know United States senator in the Senate when Joe Lewis

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Speaker 1: was righting Jackie Robinson was playing. But but Jackie Robinson

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Speaker 1: was a senator and Joe Louis was an ambassador and

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Speaker 1: a congress person, if you will, for our interests for

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Speaker 1: the black community. So they were our mouthpieces. They were

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Speaker 1: our vocal, articulate spokespeople to try to defend us, to

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Speaker 1: try to stand up and speak for us. So when

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Speaker 1: Sam Cooker or Aretha Franklin or you know, Ray Charles

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Speaker 1: came along even as we were gaining a burgeoning political power,

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Speaker 1: they were the voice pieces because white people admired them,

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Speaker 1: and they were able to seize the authority to articulate

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Speaker 1: our viewpoints and represent our interests because white people loved

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Speaker 1: and admired them. So that's why we've turned to them.

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Speaker 1: Even after we've gotten political representation, we still depend upon

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Speaker 1: conscientious you know, entertainers and athletes who articulate our noble

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Speaker 1: ideals and aspirations. Do you know what I know is

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Speaker 1: that if a black man or woman becomes successful and

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Speaker 1: they speak about speak out against inequality or racial and

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Speaker 1: social injustice and things of systemic racism, they like you

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: made it. Why are you complaining? But with whites our

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00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: counterparts try to help their community, they never say, well,

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Speaker 1: why are you complaining? If Jeff Bezos were to give

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Speaker 1: two billion dollars to help causes for his community, nobody

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00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: would say a word. But if Lebron James speaks out,

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Speaker 1: shut up and dribble, stick the basketball, stick the sports.

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Speaker 1: Why do you care trade places? What is that about?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's about white supremacists, about white privilege, is

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Speaker 1: about failing to understand why complicity, it's about refusing to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge the double standard. And it's again it's failing to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge that those athletes had to speak up and out

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Speaker 1: in the past in order for any interests of black

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Speaker 1: people to be expressed or articulated. And so, yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: be grateful. Why is Michelle Obama man? This country gave

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Speaker 1: you the ability to make a living. He gave you

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Speaker 1: one too. It gave you ability to steal my stuff.

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Speaker 1: It gave you ability to loot and rob and be

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Speaker 1: you know, thieves of black opportunity and upward mobility. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right. They never asked them that question. If they

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Speaker 1: help their neighborhoods, oh they're being looked. Despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're rich, they're reaching back, despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: they have tremendous money, they're speaking out. Look, when Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump was speaking up and speaking out, nobody said he's

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Speaker 1: a billionaire, why is he talking about the working class

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Speaker 1: white people? They said, thank god, we finally got somebody

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Speaker 1: speaking for us. So a white billionaire who really, in truth,

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Speaker 1: doesn't give a darn a flying flip about poor white

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Speaker 1: people is seen as their hero. But Lebron James can't

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Speaker 1: even speak up for his people and be seen as

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Speaker 1: a person who identifies with his people. That's the double

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Speaker 1: standard that continues to prevail in this country. So you

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Speaker 1: believe the athlete is really important in this movement for

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Speaker 1: equality and injustice, and you should. Lebrons has his a

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Speaker 1: referendum that he's trying to register people to get to

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Speaker 1: vote and get people to vote and understand your vote

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Speaker 1: is that your boat matter? Because for the longest time,

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Speaker 1: Doc I was one of those my boat doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It does matter because when you get five, six, seven

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Speaker 1: million people saying my boat matters, well, that's just not

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Speaker 1: one vote vote, that's five or six million people voting,

637
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: and it does matter. It does matter. Big time, and

638
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: God bless you. I'm glad you change your mind. That's

639
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: that's the kind of great man you are. You can

640
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: admit that you were wrong Sky for that vote. People

641
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: ship blood for that vote. People got hit in the

642
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: face for that vote. John Lewis got beat down for

643
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: that vote. So yeah, let's let's be real here. Who

644
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: are the three guys probably in the conversation for the goat,

645
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Kobe, Lebron, Right, I know who your goat is, yep.

646
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: But when you when you put social conscience on the platform,

647
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: when you put out spokenness like that, and I love

648
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Kobe, that's my COVID. You know my feeling about

649
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: code COVID your guy like this, If you're gonna put

650
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: it all together, Lebron had been the goat. Lebron the

651
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: stallion head, a horse, he depended the cow, the dog,

652
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: he a farm, I mean dog. It ain't even no

653
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: comparison for what that man has done. And so you know,

654
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: the comparison to anybody when standing up against him is

655
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: to me feeble. And so I mean, Jabbar was great,

656
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Jim Brown was great, but to have that peak Performers

657
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: thirty five years old, seventeen years in the league, still

658
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: playing like you five years in, still an incredible shape,

659
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: Still should be the MVP. I don't care what nobody says,

660
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: Still playing the greatest, incredible and you love black people

661
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: without apology or excuse bruh. There's nobody near you, and

662
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: so I think we need him. When Lebron sat down

663
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: and said this, I don't know. Black people are scared,

664
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: Black women, black men, black kids. He said, we're terrified.

665
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: We don't know if that guy got up on the

666
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: right side of the bed, at the wrong side of

667
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: the bed at that cop. We don't know, if that

668
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: cop had a horrible argument, was his kid and went

669
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: out the house steaming, he said, or if the cop

670
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: basically said this is the day I'm going in one

671
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: of their lives. He said, this is this is how

672
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: it feels now. Lebron ain't got no access to these people.

673
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: He don't know. This point is this is what it

674
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: feels like to us when the greatest athlete on the globe,

675
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: right along with Serena, When the greatest athlete on the

676
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: globe says that and identifies what Black people saying, we're

677
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: terrified and scared. Do you know what that does to

678
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: articulate our meaning. A politic can't say it that way.

679
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't care who, I don't care what polticism you are.

680
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: That Lebron James when he got no office, anybody put

681
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: him in office. I'm gonna flip your argument. Ain't nobody.

682
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: He ain't went to the polls. The polls were in

683
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: the people who love him because of what he did,

684
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: the affirmation of him as an extraordinary figure. It's even

685
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: purer right. He didn't have to run no campaign. He

686
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: showed up and did what he did, and he's won

687
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: the hearts of the masses. That's remarkable. So yeah, when

688
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: you when Joe Lewis was fighting Max Schmelling in the

689
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: ring in the forties, late thirties, early forties, he's fighting fascism.

690
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: He's fighting Nazism, not Nazism, I'm sorry, not just another

691
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: white guy who's from Germany. It's two different systems, democracy

692
00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: versus Nazism on display there. These black athletes have been

693
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: representative not only of their people, but of their nation

694
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: in a way that the nation didn't deserve. Because when

695
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: we went to fight in foreign wars and came back

696
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: in our uniforms, they launched us. They killed us, they

697
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: murdered us. So yeah, Lebron, James Carmelo, Anthony, Chris Paul,

698
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: all of the WNBA. My got a Candice Parker, Diana Ross.

699
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: When you think about all of them, as great as

700
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: the men have been, I mean, Lebron will stand out

701
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: above anybody, but right under him Maya Moore and all

702
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: those great black athletes in the w NBA. They've been

703
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: ahead of his game. They got gunshot wounds where Blake

704
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: was shot in the exact space in his name on

705
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: the front of their They weighed beyond what the guys

706
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: collectively are doing. But I'm loving what the guys are

707
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: doing as well. So yes, to answer your question, we

708
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: still need them out this. I don't know if you've

709
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: ever done this, but if I said, okay, name the

710
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: five greatest baseball players of all time, any era pictures included, Okay,

711
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: you know what, let's leave pictures out. I don't really cut.

712
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: All they do is that do give me your five

713
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: best baby, the five greatest baseball players hayk Karen William Mays,

714
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson, Ricky Henderson, and one guy, Bob Gibson. As

715
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: a picture that's a very I mean, I can William

716
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: made I understand, Hank got you. I'm surprised you said

717
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: Ricky the all time runs leader. He would he look,

718
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: he was different. I bet I heard a story about

719
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: Ricky and it makes me loud because I could just

720
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: imagine it had I've been there to actually witness some

721
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: of the things that I've heard, and I just I

722
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: just I'm crying laughing. Yeah, my dad played with him

723
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: for a few years. So yeah, some of those stories

724
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: are true. You got Jackie Robinson. But what he did,

725
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: yes number one, you know, rightfully, So I mean, if

726
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't for him, you know. Uh. And what's funny is,

727
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: out of all the pictures in my house, he's the

728
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: one that's prominently displayed in my office right because of

729
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: what he did and what he means that so many

730
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: people of color and I think people you know and

731
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: not so much. I mean what he did for us

732
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: as people, black people, but he allowed to let other

733
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: countries come here and play this game. And I know

734
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: it's different in bad football because you don't see very

735
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: many Europeans and American US right for us, you know, uh,

736
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, we got guys from South Africa. You know Japan,

737
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: you know Korea. You know Nick guys, you got Cubans,

738
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: got South Korea. But without him, who knows? And and

739
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: my thing is, if he didn't do it, when would

740
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: be the next Jackie Robinson? Right? You know it may

741
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: have been after my dad might have played, so I

742
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: may have not got the opportunity and he had. You

743
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: had to have the right temperament because the things that

744
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: were said, the things that were done, you had to write.

745
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: Everybody couldn't be everybody couldn't be Jackie Robinson. Now, no, no,

746
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I say that all the time. I'm like, I don't

747
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: know if I could be him. I saying you had

748
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: to him a lot, right, But I got a chance

749
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: to to to sit there and talk to Rachel and

750
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: Sharon and you know, uh, And that's why part of

751
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, my shoe collections does have a Jackie Robinson

752
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: shoe right because of what he does. And I got

753
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: one coming out next year. I can't show it to you,

754
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: but I got one coming out. Well, well I just

755
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: I'll just wait on hopefully i'll get the sneaker. Yeah yeah,

756
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: oh no, it's a sneaker version. Okay, Well, because I

757
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: don't play no more I can't be out here. My

758
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: wife ain't gonna let me go on this towel on

759
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: my spikes. Okay, See you say you can't transport, you

760
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: can't put Lebron back in the eighties. You can't bring

761
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: joined to the two thousands. Okay, give me all time

762
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: starting five, then any era, all time starting all time

763
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: starting five. You know you got Mike, you got Johnson,

764
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: you got Shaquille, uh who else? Oh, you gotta have it.

765
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: You gotta have a shooter. So I gotta put Oscar

766
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Oscar Robinson out there, and then you got Lebron. So

767
00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: you're going Jordan Magic shot Lebron Oscar Robinson. Yes, I

768
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: ain't the bass starting five, I'm starting fighting. Boys all

769
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: can do their thing, and you got a seven foot

770
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: that can run with your most powerful in the NBA

771
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: everm Okay, I want you to career. I want lebar boss.

772
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: If he's good at building things and creating things, he's

773
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: the great entrepreneur. Okay. I won't give you some some characteristics,

774
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: and I want you to build a perfect the perfect

775
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: basketball NBA player. So if I say like shooting, I'm

776
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna say you say stealth. So okay, Passing magic handles. Oh,

777
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: that's that's AI athleticism, lebron mentality. Shoot, sure, you know

778
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: who that is that's got to enjoy them, strength check, clutchiness,

779
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: Michael speA speed. I'm going with Cherson. I wasn't got

780
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: two of those things and there so so shooting, so shooting.

781
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: If Steph hands down, we not even look down Steph.

782
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: Would you think, uh, Steph revolutionized the game? No, I

783
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say revolutionized games and got a lot of

784
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: guys shooting from far distance and stuff like that, but

785
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: nobody was shooting like he was with the consistency the

786
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: logo three. It's not even about the consistency, because it's

787
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: consistency is there. They're only showing the ones he really

788
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: make U for Mark Jackson to give him the leeway

789
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: to shoot anywhere that's allowed him. My boys were shooting

790
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: further than them, easy and layouts, you know, But who

791
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: allows you to do that? You know, if you're doing

792
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: that in these games and what people were saying, oh, oh,

793
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: the boys are shooting all over the play, Yeah, we

794
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: was doing that. When they used to ask us about

795
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: the Chino Hills team, Man, you guys remind us of

796
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: the don't stay warrior, I say, I don't know how

797
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: we play. We're scoring one hundred and twenty and damn

798
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: min thirty seven minutes. They got forty eight minutes and

799
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: getting one twinty. Give me forty eight minutes, we're going

800
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: two hundred. You've always been a Laker fan. Give me

801
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: your give me your top five Lakers. So because you

802
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: go back to showtime Lakers, so you saw some of

803
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: the great obviously, you know Wilt and Elgin and Jaredy

804
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, but you can add them. Give me your

805
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: top five Lakers of all time in order, not just

806
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: just name five. I need the top five in order. Okay,

807
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna go number five. We're gonna go with I'm

808
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: going shack. Okay, shack at five, Shack at five, as

809
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: folk will distill. Okay, who gang quick playing? We're big

810
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: right now? We really were real big. Then at the three,

811
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: watch this Kareem ab dudes, Oh no, no, you didn't

812
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: know you he didn't putting the cap to the three.

813
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: I got he met the three. And at the two,

814
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: oh this is it? Draw role the number two. The

815
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: number two Laker of all time is Kobe Shelley Bean Bryant. Okay, okay,

816
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: it only leads one slot. Baby, the magic may Baby.

817
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: That's why I got on my game from I grew

818
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: up playing like Magic, passing the ball, looking out, like

819
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: being unselfish player. Like watching Magic in the eighties made

820
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: you want to get the ball to the best player

821
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: on the team, and made you want to run up

822
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: and down the floor. It made you want to like

823
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: be a real flow general and you know, run a team.

824
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So to me, he went

825
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: to the most championships. He had the hardest role to

826
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: get you the championship. And I always say this. I

827
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: watched him win a national championship at Michigan State Harry Burd.

828
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: The next year he came to the Lakers. Kareem broke

829
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: his ankle. We gets doctor Jay. This is when Doctor

830
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: Jay was the whole thing. Doctor j Dale Dawkers, Carl

831
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: will Jones, Bobbie Jones, Jones, Marie's Cheeks, Andrew Tony. They

832
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: were loaded Magic. Hold on, Kareem, don't trip. We have

833
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: three games to two in Philly. If we lose, it's

834
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna be three three. We're probably gonna lose games seven.

835
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play seven Watch out, dude. Second quarter, I'm

836
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: gonna play forward who Third quarter, I'm gonna play the

837
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: two guard. Fourth quarter, I'm gonna run the point and

838
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: run these punks up out of there so we can

839
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: get this championship and get on back home to the

840
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: cat Wow. At twenty years old, he would, Yeah, doctors,

841
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 1: you good, But until you win a championship at twenty

842
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: years old on the come out, you ain't magic. Nah.

843
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot here this lady,

844
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: give me your mount rushed more boxers. It doesn't have

845
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: to be all heavyweights. It doesn't have to be middleways.

846
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: This is that. Give me your mind rush bore, you

847
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: get Paul boxes rowing, you get four four. I'm pulling

848
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: me out of it. Okay, and I'll say myself because

849
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: I the top of me, I'll be the top of

850
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: my rispond, so I'm gonna take me out of there. Okay,

851
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: Mommy at the top. Okay, I'm gonna put I'd probably

852
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: put Showy Robinson the second. Okay, I'm probably put seven

853
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: doors sent third, Okay, I'm probably and I'm probably gonna

854
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: stop that because after that I can take Lena Duran

855
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: shot Bears, Hagler, I go at kind of way after that,

856
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: but I'm top three, that's my top three. I take

857
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: in them after that, but them my top three. What

858
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: would you say is the golden era of boxing? The seventies?

859
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: Why and seventies read ourselves to go to era boxes

860
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: because everybody in the headway division, if they were still around.

861
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: You probably take the top ten in the seventies and

862
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: in certain each one of them in today's time, and

863
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: each one would be heavy chap right now to day

864
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: still because that's how doable, that's how rugged, that's how

865
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: will gifted in boxing. Most of those guys. Was everybody

866
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: in the top ten back in that time was heavweight,

867
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: champion quality or character type of fighters. So you're looking

868
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: at our league, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, pick

869
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: which want to pick? Pick? I mean one of the

870
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: great fighters of all times that people need to go

871
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: look at. And I said to it, I watched a

872
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: few fights we will watch look like I watched herns

873
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: On all the time. I watched Linda Man a lot.

874
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: I watch Hagger Hearns, I watch Hagger Lennard. But one

875
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: of the best, some of the best fight, because that's

876
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: some of them. But the list goes on and on.

877
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: But to really get a good appreciation of boxing, I

878
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: appreciation some boxing, you always have to go back and

879
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: watch George Foreman versus run Lyle, one of the best

880
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: heavyweight fights ever then one of him with fights that

881
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: also touched me a lot as an older kid as

882
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: I was growing up in Boston. I became a Larry

883
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: Holmes fan after watching Larry Holmes for Keen North because

884
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: I know how hard at the time kid Nordon gave

885
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: Alie every time we've seen it, every time for Larry

886
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: Holmes come, for Larry Holmes to come and deal with

887
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: that same thing and overcome, it was really exceptional to me,

888
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: and it made me become a Larry Holmes fan. Larry

889
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: Home was shooting that job. Larry Holmes didn't use. That

890
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: job was arranged by he was using the d So

891
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. If I were to say, okay, mo,

892
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: give me your your top five good classic movies of

893
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: all time, whether you've been in them or not, your

894
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: top five top five Okay, all right, so I'm a

895
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: little biased with Boys in the Hood, but okay, I'll

896
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: go back to I don't know. You may be too young,

897
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: too young for this, but Cooley High, I remember COOLi High.

898
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: Julia I was a classic. Okay, you know what I

899
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: have to say. One of my favorites, uh was Dead Presidents,

900
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, yes, yeah, they put it down with Dead Presidents. Uh.

901
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: Man love New Jack. I love New Jack City, right uh?

902
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: And then of course you know Friday was is always

903
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: gonna be up there. Yes, so I would have to

904
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: is that four or five? How many? Is that? That's fine?

905
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: That's fine, Okay, yeah, that's fine. It's hard. It's hard

906
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: because you leave, you leave House Party out. Yeah, I

907
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: go back, I go back to pelitentiary. All right, right,

908
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: that's right, right right. It is hard, you know, And

909
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: I think I think the thing is that I think

910
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: it's the thing that that most affects people, like like

911
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: when I look back, you know, and and and Coolly High.

912
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: I really felt the motion, just as watching that movie,

913
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, House Party, I mean, Friday was funny. I

914
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: love House Party too, you know dance, but you know,

915
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: I really I really enjoyed thinking back Dead President Lorenz

916
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: takes a friend of back performance and Alan and the

917
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: Hughes brothers, I mean they put together a really good piece.

918
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: And Chris Tucker in that movie was you know, he

919
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: had a dramatic side to that movie. So there are

920
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of nice elements in that movie.

921
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 1: Cold You. Uh, you get criticized because you know every

922
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: time if you have an opinion and if it doesn't

923
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: coincide with some other people's opinion, they say you're a hater.

924
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: You had a rank and you said Brady was the

925
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: sixth most difficult quarterback in NFL history to defend. Do

926
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: you still agree with your ranking and why do you

927
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: say he was the sixth most difficult quarterback to defend? Well,

928
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't think you can rank across

929
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: generations anyway, So I said, I'm not gonna do that,

930
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna go by statistics or whatever. I'm

931
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna go by who was toughest on me. So now

932
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: I gotta start. I'm never putting Tom Brady ahead of

933
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. So the best thing can best two. He

934
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: was my guy, could ever get us too? Okay? Who did?

935
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: Who gave me? Real problem? John Elway? You could do

936
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: everything right, have the perfect defense. He's gonna move around

937
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: and make something happen and kill you, and he killed

938
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: me enough to say he was difficult. Steve Young was

939
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: the same way. Those mobile quarterbacks. So that's who I

940
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: put ahead of Tom, Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Steve Young,

941
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: guys guys who could move. Not to say Tom wasn't great.

942
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: He is great, but that extra dimension meant something to me.

943
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 1: So that's that's why I would only put him at six.

944
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: Just my opinion. Now, we look at and you've mentioned

945
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: the evolution of the mobile quarterback. Not only look these quarterbacks,

946
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: we say mobile coach. They're not looking to run the football.

947
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: They're looking to steal. Throw the football, and they can

948
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: throw it on the move. They could throw it wrong foot,

949
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: they could throw it rolling left, they can throw it

950
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: rolling right. You look at the Sean, you look at

951
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, you look at Aaron Rodgers, you look at

952
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I just saw Josh Allen last night and

953
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: he's playing unbelievable. When you look at these quarterbacks, what's

954
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: been the biggest transformation. Why are these quarterbacks coming in

955
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: and being able to play so well so early. I

956
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: think a coach is adapting rather than taking that rookie

957
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: quarterback and saying you got to learn all this stuff,

958
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: and you gotta learn how to be a pocket pass

959
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: and you've got to learn this and learn that. They're saying, no,

960
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: let me take what this young man does and build

961
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: on it. So I've got the RPOs in, I've got

962
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: bootlegs in for them, and that's stuff that you never

963
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: saw before. And so now it's Russell, Wilson and Deshaun creating.

964
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: And instead of the coach saying no, no, no, don't

965
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: do that, the coach is saying, you know what, this

966
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: helps us, and we'll put scramble drills in. And when

967
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: Russell does this receiver as you do that, we'll put

968
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: bootlegs in. Josh Allen, We're gonna let you go. And

969
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: I think coaches have come out of their shell and

970
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: let these guys be who they are. Coach, are you

971
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: surprised Patrick Mahomes is this good? I mean I thought

972
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: I saw him. I saw him throw for over seven

973
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: hundred yards against Oklahoma, but everybody throws for a bunch

974
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: of yards in the Big twelve? Are you surprised he's

975
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: he's on the c He has a chance to be

976
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: all time generational, transcendent great, not just good. He can

977
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: be great, great, great, Yeah I am. And what amazes

978
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: me about him is that twenty five years old, his

979
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: UH concept in his processing information and his control of

980
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: the game, very few mistakes, very few interceptions, very few

981
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: bad checks. So add the great arm skills and all

982
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: of that, but the mental capacity that he has at

983
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: twenty five that has amazed me. And you look at

984
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: the weapon and for Andy, and look, you think about it.

985
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: They went to the playoff, they won the division, they

986
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: went to the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, and he

987
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: moves up seventeen spots to take Patrick Mahomes when he

988
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: had a quarterback that went to the playoffs. But I

989
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: think Andy envision in order I got Tyreek a guy

990
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: that can take the top off. We've never seen anything

991
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: like this, Fiz Bob Hayes. I got a guy in

992
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. In order for me to maximize that, I

993
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: need a guy that can throw the ball over the top. Yep, yep.

994
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: They saw something special. I don't know why they saw

995
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: it and everybody else didn't, but they saw something special

996
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: in Patrick Mahomes and to put him in the lineup

997
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: to make that switch from a playoff quarterback that takes

998
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guts, and they did it, and they

999
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: knew they were going to the next level. And then

1000
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: to put stuff in for him fifty five yard corner routes,

1001
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, things that we haven't seen before. You'd get

1002
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: you people would think you're crazy for actually just putting

1003
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: that play in. No Patrick can do it. We're gonna

1004
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: take advantage of what he can do. I think it's

1005
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: been amazing when I tell people how we lived in

1006
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: the thousand Squirrelists end up block home. Hey, Liby, wish

1007
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: you would stop telling that story to hes Bug gets

1008
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: very upset when we tell the story about the thousand

1009
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: Squirrelists end the block home with north indoor plumbing, attending

1010
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: roof that you could actually lay on your back and

1011
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: you could see the sky from the bed. Is correct,

1012
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: and I told the story in my Hall of Fame speech.

1013
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: But growing up in that environment, what because when I

1014
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: also spa You know, when we tell when I tell

1015
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: people I never spent the night at a friend's house,

1016
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: I rest night at a family member's house, and people

1017
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: can't believe that. Correct, And that the first time I

1018
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: stayed away from home, I went to four age camping

1019
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: that at Cherokee I think it was. Yeah, I think then, God,

1020
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: I was a senior, it was a rock eagle, rocky

1021
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: rock eagle. Yea. But I couldn't remember the Cherokee tribe.

1022
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember what it was because it was so

1023
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: long ago. But yeah, the thing is is when you

1024
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: grow up that way and that's the only way, you know,

1025
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 1: you don't have anything to compare it too. Because yeah,

1026
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: we saw our friends every day at school and some

1027
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: at church, but you had nothing to compare it too.

1028
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: So guess what it was our norm and our norm

1029
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: was you know what, God, I wish the roof didn't leak.

1030
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: You know, I wish we didn't have to get up,

1031
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, Monday through Sunday and you know, herd hogs

1032
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: or pick tobacco or grind feed or you know, I

1033
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: wish we didn't. But that's what we knew. And you know,

1034
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: you and I used to talk all the time about

1035
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: the only thing we wanted to do was play football,

1036
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: and we knew we were going to never get the

1037
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: chance to play football because we were always working. So

1038
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: when you know that's all you know, there is no

1039
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it better, because you're gonna make it better.

1040
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: How all you know is farming. So that was all

1041
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: we knew. Did you think when we will work in

1042
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: the hours? And I always use the term can't they

1043
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: can't and people like what the fact they can't? Mean?

1044
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: Can you explain the people that's gonna be watching this?

1045
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: What can't can't you see what you're working from the

1046
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: time you can't see when you get up until you

1047
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: can't see at night, it's it's dark to dark, and

1048
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: it's it. The job is never done. It's just you

1049
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: got to go home and get some sleep. It's not

1050
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: like you know, it's a nine to five or I

1051
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: finished my work, I'm gonna get off early. We never

1052
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: got off early. There was no such things. You know what,

1053
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: we're finished picking this tobacco, and you know what we're

1054
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna take the rest of the day off.

1055
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: Now that that never happened. So but like I said,

1056
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's easy in hindsight to go back and

1057
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: say how tough we had it, And it's easy in

1058
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: hindsight to try and make our upbringing so much different

1059
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: from everyone else by going you know, living in a

1060
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: house that didn't have running water, rain, you know, looking

1061
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: at the stuff we can lay in bed and watch

1062
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: the sun rise, that kind of stuff. You know what

1063
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: it did. It didn't make us stronger, It just made us.

1064
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: We were like, if it was to be, we were

1065
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to do. And we were always like that

1066
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: from our playing days. Is hey, we were great teammates.

1067
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to think, but if there's an opportunity to

1068
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: make a play, coach, put it on me, because I

1069
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: can accept these success but I can also accept the

1070
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: failure if it doesn't go our way. And I think

1071
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: that's strictly because of how we were brought up. And

1072
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: I say this to people, and I used to say

1073
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: it to young people when I spoke more all the time.

1074
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: It ain't by accident that two guys from Glenville, Georgia

1075
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: not only graduating from college but made it to the NFL.

1076
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: That ain't by accident. But it's not by design either.

1077
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that you know, and I

1078
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: tell people you learn a lot about guys. If you

1079
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: tell me how they were raised and tell me what

1080
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: their experiences are, I could tell you who they are

1081
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: and how we were raised. We had similar experiences from

1082
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: the time we left Glennville until the time you got

1083
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: into television. Our lives were pretty much mirror images of

1084
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: each other, even though we're you know, we were three

1085
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: years apart in age, but we're two years apart in athletics.

1086
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: So give the people a little backdrop of kind of

1087
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: some of the jobs you and I had. Well, we

1088
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: had a family. Remember it was our grandmother, grandfather, me,

1089
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: you and our sister, not to mention our aunt Jane,

1090
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: our aunt Shermandine, our aunt Gladys and sometimes are at

1091
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: Marionelle living in that thousand foot center, the black House too.

1092
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't like there was a lot of room, but

1093
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: our jobs as Dietrich, our nephew was there. So guess what.

1094
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we had chores and we could finish

1095
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: our chores. We definitely had to go to school in church.

1096
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: Those two things were months we were at school. We

1097
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: were at church. But then there was the tobacco picking

1098
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: and you know, planting my grandmother's garden. There's also the

1099
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: moving and the situating of the hogs that we had,

1100
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: grinding of the feed. So when hogs got out, it

1101
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, hey we got we lost the hog.

1102
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: Oh well, we got to go search for it. So

1103
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: we were going through hell in high water, in situations

1104
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: where I am to this day, I am still amazed

1105
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: that none of us ever got bit by a snake,

1106
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: and none of us ever died because of snake by

1107
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: because I can remember our times wrapping our hands around

1108
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: tobacco stocks and there will be eight foot rattlesnake wrapped

1109
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: under sitting under a leaf, or we were walking through

1110
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: swamps in the day of summer and never got bit

1111
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: by moccason. I'm amazed, but we had and not to mention.

1112
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: And I'll talk just about you and I when we

1113
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: were in high school. When I was in high school,

1114
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: you would have been in middle school. We would get

1115
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: up and go to school, go and go to practice,

1116
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: go home, and as soon as we got home from practice,

1117
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: we had to get in Earl Bacon or our uncle

1118
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: James's truck to go catch chickens where we were making

1119
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: a dollar a thousand, and we would. You know, it's

1120
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: hard to because how much were we making you how

1121
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: much money dollar? We were making a dollar a thousand,

1122
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: So for every thousand chickens that were in that house,

1123
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: each individual got paid one dollar. So imagine working from

1124
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: eleven to two catching uh uh, fourteen thousand chickens you

1125
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: made fourteen dollars, or ten thousand chickens, you made ten dollars.

1126
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: And so you get home at three and you had

1127
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: to clean yourself up, try to get as much sleep

1128
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: as you can because seven o'clock and on the way

1129
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: to school was happening the next day. So, and like

1130
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: I said, as tough as it seems or sounds now,

1131
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: wasn't that bad back then, because guess what we we

1132
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: got to be with our friends or our cousins. We

1133
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: were making money, so it was a good deal for us. Well,

1134
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: the school was the easy part. It was the summer

1135
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: when you had to work in tobacco. And then you

1136
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: come home. Remember we would come home. Not only did

1137
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: we play during the lunch break, we would eat play basketball. Granted, like, boy,

1138
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: come in here, y'all would have a heat stroke, and

1139
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on, you've made it too hot to

1140
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: play basketball, But it's not too hot to work in

1141
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: the field. And we were in a long sleeve shirt.

1142
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: We were in a long sleeve shirt and blue jeans

1143
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: in the field. It wasn't like we were dressing cool.

1144
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: We got a long sleeve shirt and blue jeans on

1145
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: dressing in that tobacco field. So yeah, it was those

1146
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: were some definitely different times for us growing up, but

1147
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: I definitely believe it definitely helped shape how we were

1148
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: from the time we left Glenville until the time we

1149
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: got to television about to tell a story about how

1150
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: like we were working tobacco field, and then we would

1151
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: play and then we had to get ready to get

1152
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: on that chicken truck that night. So we were working,

1153
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: and I remember, I remember because you at the time,

1154
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: I was making five bucks a day. You remember, you

1155
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: remember when I told Granny I was making five bucks

1156
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: a day. Lily was ready that hold on, let me

1157
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: see ready that Landing and our Atlanta is our first cousin,

1158
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: and Shannon did was played. What did Granted tell me

1159
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: if he's making five bucks and days too much? She

1160
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: said it was too much money? And I agreed, because

1161
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: all you and Landing were buying were diet coaks and

1162
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: honey buns. Anyway, Oh you okay, let's tell the story.

1163
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: Let's tell the story. Mister Joe who was our boss

1164
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: at the time, Joe Tatum, he just passed recently. He

1165
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: set us up a line of credit at the at

1166
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: the convenience at the convenience store. Yeah, and so we

1167
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: can go in there and get anything we want on credit.

1168
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: Knowing that mister Joe was gonna bring us in there,

1169
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna cash our check and we can pay. So

1170
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: when mister Joe said he was going going to the

1171
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: going to the town, going to the store, what would

1172
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: I always get? I was probably six and seven years on.

1173
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: Three hundred buns, three hundred buns and three coats three,

1174
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: So I'm like, he couldn't get one at one? Joe,

1175
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: bring me three three colds every time he had to go.

1176
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: It was three and three. It was it was three,

1177
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: it was three and three, but three and three. But

1178
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: do you remember also mister Joel, he had he had

1179
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: a farm and he had cattle and cattle eat. Hey,

1180
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: somebody had to bail that. Hey, mister j had a

1181
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: big farm. He had he had watermelons. Uh, we had

1182
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: brought a secondary, he had oprah, he had tomato us.

1183
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: We had to pick up pea cans for the dasher.

1184
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: That's correct. We had a lot of jobs. And the

1185
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: thing was is we would have done even more just

1186
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: to put money in our pockets to lessen the load.

1187
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: On granting. At the time, she was the only breadwinner

1188
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: for the most part in the house or in living right,

1189
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 1: So we would have done anything to buy our own clothes,

1190
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 1: buy our own shoes, by our own basketball or bad basketball,

1191
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: shoot football, shoot tracks you. We would have done just

1192
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: about any and everything. All my life and running all

1193
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: my life. Sacrifice. I hustle Bay to Price, Want a slice?

1194
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: Got the broller, Dice to swa all my life, I've

1195
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: been running all my life, rush all my life, and

1196
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: running all my life. Sacrifice, hustle Bay to Price, wanna slice?

1197
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: Got the brother of Dice to sware all my life.

1198
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: I've been running all my life.