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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkoitz. Coming to you hear

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Speaker 1: from our studios at lambeau Field and unfortunately Wes. This

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Speaker 1: is our season ending episode of Packers Unscripted because the

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Speaker 1: Packers fell to the forty nine Ers in the NFC

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Speaker 1: Divisional Playoffs Saturday night out in Santa Claara. The final

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Speaker 1: score was twenty four to twenty one, and the long

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Speaker 1: and the short of it is missed opportunities early, missed

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Speaker 1: opportunities late, and the forty nine Ers were able to,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, quite frankly escape with a home playoff

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Speaker 1: victory that sent the Packers back to Green Bay and

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Speaker 1: thinking about twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the word I've been using all week is survival.

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Speaker 2: I thought that San Francisco forty nine Ers survived. They

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Speaker 2: didn't play particularly well. This is a team that I

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Speaker 2: think you've already heard people talk on the West Coast

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Speaker 2: is going to have to play better now in the

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Speaker 2: NFC Championship to get past Detroit. But for the Green

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Speaker 2: Bay Packers' circumstances. I think they had a lot to

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Speaker 2: do with that. I thought defensively, green Bay set the

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Speaker 2: tone early. I thought offensively, they were able to push

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Speaker 2: the ball downfield, were not able to capitalize on red

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Speaker 2: zone opportunities in the first half, and then obviously we're

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Speaker 2: not able to turn over the football defensively when brock

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Speaker 2: Purty gave him a couple opportunities. Conversely, looking at San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: very opportunistic in the second half was strange because for

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Speaker 2: three quarters it was sort of the struggle between the

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Speaker 2: two teams. The third quarter for whatever reason, turned into

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Speaker 2: a shootout.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But then.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly the third quarter the teams are both teams were

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Speaker 1: just going up and down the field like crazy, and

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Speaker 1: you have Keishaw Nixon's long return and the fumble and

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Speaker 1: the Packers recovered it. Sort of got chaotic, yeah, for

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Speaker 1: a little while. Then in the fourth quarter things settled down.

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Speaker 1: But the Packers had, as much as they had missed

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Speaker 1: on those opportunities offensively earlier in the game, they had

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Speaker 1: multiple opportunities with the lead, with the ball in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter, chances to extend that lead, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: get it done. And ultimately that bit them because the

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers were able to put together the one

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Speaker 1: final drive they needed to take the ultimate to take

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Speaker 1: the ultimate lead at the end of the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I've sort of been saying since the

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Speaker 2: game was the forty nine Ers kind of did what

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Speaker 2: to the Packers what the Packers had been doing to teams,

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Speaker 2: which is finding a lead late and then being able

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Speaker 2: going move in the chains. Green Bay actually did pretty

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Speaker 2: well in early down situations, but brock Purdy gave him credit.

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Speaker 2: Give the Niners receivers credit. When it came to third

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Speaker 2: and long, third and nine to third and tens, they

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Speaker 2: brock Purdy showed up. And when you play a team

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Speaker 2: that's that good and that talented Michael, you have to

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Speaker 2: capitalize on your opportunities. When you don't, you find yourself

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Speaker 2: in the position the Packers are today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing I think. I think when you

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Speaker 1: look back at this game, the Packers had, the Packers

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Speaker 1: had opportunities to put even more pressure on the forty

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Speaker 1: here or there. You know, they were right in it.

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Speaker 1: When the Packers had the lead, both in the first

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Speaker 1: love to see what maybe would have transpired if the

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Speaker 1: ending would have transpired differently, if Andras Carlson makes the

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Speaker 1: You know, for me, and I think I think I

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Speaker 1: for messing processing the loss. You're kind of caught in

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Speaker 1: other side, when you talk about being in between things,

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Speaker 1: the other side of it is what the future holds

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Speaker 1: for this team. I mean, the biggest question that needed

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Speaker 1: have a franchise quarterback? And I don't know when the

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Speaker 1: January show saying unequivocally the Packers have that answer, Like

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Speaker 1: you know, after one season, but the Packers unequivocally have

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Speaker 1: that answer, they have their franchise quarterback, That's what needed

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Speaker 1: but be excited for what the future holds, even though

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Speaker 1: this particular moment and this opportunity getting away is still

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Speaker 2: Oh it burns because of that reason that the team

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Speaker 2: did play that well down the stretch, Jordan Love did

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Speaker 2: actually mesh with these offensive weapons as well as he

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Speaker 2: and people will point to the stats, and rightfully so

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Speaker 2: that's where you know, the rubber.

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Speaker 3: Meets the road.

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Speaker 2: Four thousand yards passing, thirty plus touchdowns thrown, getting a

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Speaker 2: back to what happened in April, and I still had

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Speaker 2: that image in my mind. I don't know if it

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Speaker 2: the social media videos or the guys walking in for

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Speaker 2: the first day of the off season program and Jordan

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Speaker 2: came in, cool, calm and collected, having been annointed to

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Speaker 2: things are going. Aaron Rodgers would be getting traded to

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Speaker 2: And he never backed down from it. He welcomed it.

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Speaker 2: He was the guy pulling guys together during the summer,

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Speaker 2: getting them together in California, being able to get that

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Speaker 2: the Monday dinners, the sitting down and breaking down film

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Speaker 2: He passed every on and off the field test you

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Speaker 2: reason why I feel confident calling him a franchise guy.

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Speaker 2: It's not that he's just talented. It's not that he

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Speaker 3: Of the season.

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Speaker 2: It's everything he did in the window of the past

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Speaker 2: nine months to earn the right to be the QB

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Speaker 2: one here. And why is that important for the Green

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Speaker 2: Bay Packers, Because, Michael, if you look at all the

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Speaker 2: all of the wasted equity that goes with that, the

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Speaker 2: wasted draft picks, the numerous draft picks you're spending high

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Speaker 3: Of doing it.

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Speaker 2: And I think that was probably the most gratifying thing

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Speaker 2: for me was watching Jordan Love stay true to it,

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Speaker 2: understand what was asked of him for three years, being patient,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I don't want this to come off the

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Speaker 1: wrong way in terms of talking about Jordan Love, but

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Speaker 1: when you look at when you look at what happened

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Speaker 1: There may be nothing better than the new franchise quarterback

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Speaker 1: being motivated by that by that mistake. At the end,

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Speaker 1: the entire offseason leading into next year. Jordan Love isn't

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Speaker 2: The best quote that came out of the season, and

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Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur reiterated it after the game, but it was

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Speaker 2: in the lead up to this game, him talking about

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Speaker 2: how Jordan has learned from every experience this week, Yes,

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Speaker 2: this year, good and bad. It's the only thing this

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Speaker 2: guy didn't have. He didn't have the reps. He didn't

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Speaker 2: eight straight games, eighteen touchdowns, one interception. The reason why

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Speaker 2: There was special teams involved with that, right, But this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as much as Matt Lafleur said on Monday, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Packers side of things, it shouldn't have come down

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Speaker 1: to that final drive. Packers shouldn't have been in that

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Speaker 2: But what's exciting about it if you can separate yourself

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Speaker 1: culture to power through it and get yourself through to

439
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Speaker 1: the other side. I think that's in place here and

440
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Speaker 1: I think that's something that that's another real bright spot

441
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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four.

442
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Speaker 2: And we'll have to see exactly how this roster shapes up,

443
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Speaker 2: which veterans will be back. Obviously there's a lot of

444
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Speaker 2: business that has to get taken care of between now

445
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: and the beginning of the off season program. But I

446
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: think it says a lot about Aaron Jones and Preston

447
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 2: Smith for Sean Gary Kenny Clark, guys that maybe weren't

448
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Speaker 2: the most vocal in the past. I shouldn't say that

449
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 2: about Preston. I think he's pretty much been vocal since

450
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Speaker 2: he's been here, but guys that maybe felt that they

451
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: need to take a step up with their vocal leadership.

452
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Speaker 2: It had to be more of guys stepping in front

453
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Speaker 2: of the room. There wasn't a Mercedes Lewis there this

454
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Speaker 2: season that was breaking down the huddle right or talking

455
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Speaker 2: to the team after games. You don't have someone like

456
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers who's been there and done that and seen

457
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Speaker 2: it all. You had to have guys step into that void.

458
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: There wasn't any permanent captains this season. The Green Bay

459
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: didn't even do it in the playoffs. But what happened

460
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Speaker 2: was I thought you saw individuals stepping up in their

461
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: own phase of the game and taking the bowl by

462
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Speaker 2: the horns. And by doing that, it's what is allowed

463
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: now guys like Romeo Dobbs and some of these younger

464
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Speaker 2: players on this roster to understand, you know what I

465
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Speaker 2: can be those people too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask you a couple of big

467
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Speaker 1: picture questions here and then we'll move on to just

468
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Speaker 1: looking at you know, where things stand with the rest

469
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Speaker 1: of the playoffs here moving forward. Since this is our

470
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Speaker 1: last show for a while, I would expect we'll be

471
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Speaker 1: back for those wondering, we'll be back at some point

472
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Speaker 1: before the draft, but this will be our last show

473
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Speaker 1: for a while, and actually our last show physically in

474
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Speaker 1: this studio because we're also moving within the building to

475
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Speaker 1: another location. I think the g behind us is maybe

476
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Speaker 1: coming along.

477
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Speaker 2: No, actually, no, I have my dad's truck outside. I'm

478
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Speaker 2: taking that home.

479
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Speaker 1: Oh you're taking that home.

480
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Speaker 3: Let's go on, all right?

481
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Speaker 1: All right, well, maybe maybe we'll start doing the show

482
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Speaker 1: in your garage. Then we'll stick.

483
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Speaker 2: We'll stick that as soon as we're done shooting. We're

484
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Speaker 2: just gonna start breaking this thing down ourselves. Right.

485
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Speaker 1: Well, here a couple of big, big picture questions for

486
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Speaker 1: you Wes. Aside from the quarterback situation and everything the

487
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: Packers learned there and how that has been established moving forward,

488
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Speaker 1: what was your most pleasant surprise from what you saw

489
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Speaker 1: from this team and its development, whether it be a player,

490
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Speaker 1: a position, or whatever the case. What was your most

491
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Speaker 1: pleasant surprise for twenty twenty Aaron Jones.

492
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Speaker 2: You can talk about being the youngest team in the

493
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Speaker 2: National Football League and the youngest team to win a

494
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Speaker 2: playoff game and all these different things, and it was impressive,

495
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Speaker 2: But when you go back and look at how scary

496
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: that situation got after the Chargers game and not sure

497
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Speaker 2: if you're going to get Aaron Jones back again, and

498
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Speaker 2: seeing how emotional he was to be able to be

499
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Speaker 2: in a position where this guy at twenty nine years old,

500
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: at a position where everybody's just waiting. They're just just plea.

501
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Speaker 2: You know, teams in the NFL, the way they look

502
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: at running backs in this league, they aren't given the

503
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Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt on the back.

504
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Speaker 3: Half of their career.

505
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Speaker 1: That's very true.

506
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Speaker 2: Not saying Green baying that, I'm just saying, look at

507
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: every running back in the National Football League, right unless,

508
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, your name is Raheem Moster for some reason.

509
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: But the fact is is that with five games to

510
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: go in the season, as it turned out, with the

511
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: two playoff games, Aaron Jones was as good as he's

512
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: ever been, and he was as important as he's ever been.

513
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: He had the most rushing yards in the NFL during

514
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Speaker 2: the divisional round of the playoffs. This guy cannot be

515
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: judged by his position, He cannot be judged by his age.

516
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Speaker 2: He is one of the most important players on this team.

517
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Speaker 2: And Michael, when you asked me what my biggest surprise was,

518
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: it was that we went through this roller coaster this

519
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: year where you and I were saying all summer long,

520
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: he is going to be the catalyst for Jordan love.

521
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Speaker 2: He is going to be his best friend. This guy

522
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: is going to be able to help this offense transition

523
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: to his news phase. He did it against Chicago, but

524
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Speaker 2: they largely missed him for the next two.

525
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Speaker 3: Months, at least on a consistent basis.

526
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Speaker 2: But you know what, Michael, when the time came for

527
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: the playoffs, when the time came for this team to rally,

528
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 2: he was right there, and I thought it made all

529
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Speaker 2: the difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his hundred play yards against San Francisco, first one

531
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Speaker 1: hundred yard rusher against the forty nine ers in like

532
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Speaker 1: fifty game fifty something like that. And I actually look

533
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: this up as well, first Packers running actually only the

534
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Speaker 1: second running back in Packers' history to have one hundred

535
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Speaker 1: plus rushing yards in back to back playoff games in

536
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Speaker 1: the same postseason. The only other one to do it

537
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Speaker 1: was Dorsey Levens back in nineteen ninety seven when the

538
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: Packers went to the Super Bowl. So what you said

539
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: about Aaron Jones, I agree with everything one hundred percent.

540
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Speaker 1: For me, what I would consider my most pleasant surprise

541
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Speaker 1: is where the Packers got to at the tight end

542
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Speaker 1: position this year. Because you and I have sat here,

543
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: whether we're talking pre draft, post draft, you know, OTA's

544
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: training camp, we've talked about how the transition at the

545
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: tight end position from the college level to the NFL

546
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: level is significant. There there are so many more responsibilities

547
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Speaker 1: that are placed on guys in terms of, you know,

548
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Speaker 1: the duties at the line of scrimmage when they line up,

549
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, split out, the pass protection, the run game,

550
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: the route adjustments. Everything. There is a it's a tremendous

551
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Speaker 1: learning learning curve at the tight end position. And Brian

552
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: Gudokunz took a chance because he went into this season

553
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: with three rookie tight ends in Luke Musgrave, Tucker Craft

554
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Speaker 1: and Ben Simms claimed off waivers at the end of

555
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Speaker 1: training camp, and the only veteran tight end in the

556
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: room was a guy who really hadn't been in every

557
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: down player, Josiah Daguara. Important guy and important piece, but

558
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: a role player, yep, throughout the course of his time

559
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: here in Green Bay. And even with the time that

560
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Speaker 1: Musgrave miss due to injury. You know what we saw,

561
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Speaker 1: what we saw from his development. You know, early on,

562
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, guys are running the wrong routes and you

563
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: see two guys in the same spot and whatever, and

564
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: you look at Tucker Craft coming from a school like

565
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: South Dakota State and you know, struggling at times early

566
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Speaker 1: on with his blocking, and then by mid season and

567
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: on you're watching the game film going, Tucker Craft is

568
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: blocking some of the best pass rushers in this one

569
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Speaker 1: on one and protecting Jordan Love based on certain schemes

570
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: and certain calls. Where where the Packers got to in

571
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Speaker 1: one year with these with these rookie tight ends, where

572
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: you expect there to be a much you know, steeper

573
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: learning curve and a longer transition. I think that sets

574
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Speaker 1: up tremendously well for this offense because we know how

575
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Speaker 1: much Matt Lafleur loves to use tight ends in different

576
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: ways within his system and within his scheme. And I

577
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: was really impressed with what the young tight ends did.

578
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you saw tons of twenty one personnel, uh

579
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: in that game, I should say twelve personal excuse me,

580
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: dyslikes it in that game, you know, with the amount

581
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: of tight ends that they end up having incorporated in

582
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Speaker 2: that I was most impressed with those guys in terms

583
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Speaker 2: of the When Brian Gudikun's draft players, right, it's one

584
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: thing to be like, oh, these are their measurables or

585
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: these are their statistics. Then you go and find someone

586
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: like Tucker Craft, and it's always interesting to me and

587
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: fascinating to me when you can project out the way

588
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: the guy's going to develop. They saw shades of what

589
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: could make him special at South Dakota State, and it

590
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: took time. I think he played maybe three offensive snaps

591
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: in the opener, but the way his blocking came around

592
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: his yards after catch. You know, he talked all off

593
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: season about how, you know, I was a yak machine

594
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: in college. That's kind of my game and that actually

595
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: manifested and developed. And then you have a guy like

596
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave who unfortunately suffers just a gruesome, god awful

597
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: injury that he misses a month with but then finds

598
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: his way back, and you could see how this guy

599
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: at six foot six can be a real vertical threat

600
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: against opposing defenses. It's an exciting time, man, I thought,

601
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: and it's really the entire tight end position. Sam Laporter

602
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: was just incredible for Detroit this year. Dalton Kincaid had

603
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: some good snaps for Buffalo, but I was the guy

604
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: that was always saying, yeah, that's the position that takes

605
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: the longest to develop. You gotta be patient with it.

606
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: And now you're seeing these guys, you're seeing Trey McBride

607
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: that the position is almost kind of shifting where guys

608
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: are starting to make instant impacts again. And you saw

609
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: the statistics, Michael. First time the Packers had three rookies

610
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: have a tight end have a touchdown.

611
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Speaker 3: Three rookie tight.

612
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Speaker 2: Ends have a touchdown in the same season, right, and

613
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: first time I believe that happened in NFL history. There's

614
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: going to be markers like that that are you're going

615
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: to see probably more and more in the good news

616
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: for green Bay now they solve their tight end future.

617
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys, this is what you're going to

618
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: build around for years to come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. It's there's no doubt about it. Another

620
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Speaker 1: big picture question I have for you and Justin our producer.

621
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Speaker 1: We're going to go a little bit long.

622
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Speaker 3: Today because yeah, sorry, Justin. I hope you didn't need

623
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Speaker 3: to get.

624
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: To lunch hanging there with us, Justin, so we're going

625
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Speaker 1: to make the most of this. My other big picture

626
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: picture question for you, what is your and I hope

627
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: I can phrased this properly, what is your biggest hope

628
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: for where or how this team improves moving forward into

629
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. What are you looking at?

630
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 2: You know, I think defensively is probably where it's going

631
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: to start. For me. There's going to be regardless of

632
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: how they're going to shape things and the decisions they

633
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: have to make in the months ahead. But that group

634
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: had such astronomical expectations this year, and we all wrote

635
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: about it. I wrote about it, and then you sometimes

636
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: forget they're still Again, going back to what Matt Lafleur said,

637
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: just because something ends a certain way doesn't.

638
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: Mean it begins the next way.

639
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, for as good as things ended last year for

640
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: the Defense, it took time for them to find their

641
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: groove again, And honestly, it took almost thirteen weeks until

642
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: they started to sort of really hold things down and

643
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: shut things down. That side of the ball is going

644
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: to be very interesting to see how everything works itself out.

645
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: It sounds like the Jyr Alexander situation is in a

646
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: much better spot. Matt laflor mentioned again on Monday, the

647
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: communication is much improved. They feel like they're going to

648
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: be in a good position to continue that relationship for

649
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: years to come. You saw how important jaw was in

650
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: those last three games after he came back. How he

651
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: toughed it out through the ankle injury to be out

652
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: there for his team. But a lot of the unrestricted

653
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: free agents, and that's for the Packers have are on

654
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: that side of the ball. You know, Darnell Savage, Rudy Ford,

655
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: Jonathan Owens are all going to be going into free agency.

656
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: Keishawn Nixon again is going to be coming up. They

657
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: have some big decisions to make there in the secondary.

658
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: Seeing where things are at again with Eric Stokes. So

659
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 2: I look for the defense to sort of galvanize and

660
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: crystallize and develop around the way they played down the

661
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: final stretch. Yeah, because I'm not saying you have to

662
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: always hang your hat on the defense, but there's gonna

663
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: be times reader and to need them to help set

664
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: the pace with you. And I thought that was one

665
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: area where Greenbaya at times really did sort of struggle.

666
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna pair it a word that

667
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur used, but it's also one that I have

668
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, in Insider Inbox, on this show,

669
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: other platforms with regard to the defense. And I know

670
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: it's a buzzword, but the word is consistency, and I

671
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: know that there is There is no such things as

672
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: full consistency, as we like to joke about. Because this

673
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: is the NFL, You're gonna have bad days at the office.

674
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Like I get that. You know, you can't just say,

675
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, you have to build a defense that's gonna

676
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: hold everybody to you know, eighteen points or less or whatever.

677
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. But the issue with this defense,

678
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: in my opinion, over the past two seasons, has been

679
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: not just that it's been up and down, but that,

680
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, the swings have been wildly up and then

681
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: wildly down to where you just don't really know what

682
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna get. I mean, for this for this defense

683
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: to play like it did in the victories over the

684
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Lions and the Chiefs that got the Packers kind of

685
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: back in the hunt and back in the picture. To

686
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: then follow that up with the three games against the Giants,

687
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and the Panthers defensively before then you can

688
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: turn it back around again and get things going back

689
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: the other direction. It's like I said, it's one thing

690
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: to have a bad day at the office, but you

691
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: can't have this level of inconsistency where when things start

692
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: to go wrong, it goes wrong for three weeks.

693
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 3: You know.

694
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: That's where that and I don't know, I don't know

695
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: what Matt Lafluir is going to decide big picture wise

696
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: with how he wants to go forward. I don't know

697
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: if it's I don't know, if it's the style of defense,

698
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: something with the scheme, if it has to do with

699
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: with the leadership, whatever the case might be. He's going

700
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: to make his decisions on that. But Matt Leffleuur, as

701
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: the head coach and the offensive play caller and the

702
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: guy running this thing with Jordan Love and the new

703
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, he's got to have something you can rely

704
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: on on that other side and not get into a

705
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: situation where Baker Mayfield comes into lambeau Field and puts

706
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: up one fifty eight point three, or you go to Carolina,

707
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: the worst team in the league, and they put up

708
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: thirty point on you, and you barely get out of

709
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: there with a victory to keep your playoff hopes alive.

710
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing that as this defense played

711
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: really really well the last four games Minnesota, Chicago, Dallas,

712
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: San Francisco. On balance, the defense played really well, but

713
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: then what was the previous three weeks when for three

714
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: weeks we're waiting for the you know, waiting and wondering

715
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: what's going on with the defense, And that's when you know,

716
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of it feels like this crisis mode as to

717
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: what the future of the defense is going to be.

718
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: The other thing I'll say with regard to consistency, of course,

719
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: is the kicking game. Because Andras Carlson missed too many kicks.

720
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: There's no there's no two ways about that. I don't

721
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: know what the Packers are going to do moving forward.

722
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: I would expect potentially some competition for that job in

723
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, But the lack of consistency in the

724
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: kicking game obviously bit the Packers in a really big moment.

725
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: And you have to you have to get to a

726
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: situation where you can be a little bit more sure

727
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: of yourself as much as we believe will be on

728
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: the line from this team moving forward.

729
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm a big proponent for competition. Matt Lafleur

730
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: talks about it all the time. I always go back

731
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: to what Mason Crosby talked about of twenty thirteen twenty

732
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: twelve did not go well at all, I mean sixty

733
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: one percent whatever it ended up being on.

734
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: His field goals.

735
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: Green Bay doesn't make a major move, they don't sign anybody,

736
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: they don't draft anybody, but they brought in Giorgio Tavacchio,

737
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: and so many times Mason talked about how that competition

738
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: kind of brought out the best in him. Again, it

739
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: sort of allowed him to right himself along with some

740
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: of his own structural and procedural ways that he went

741
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: about his kicking process. But I think that can do

742
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: a world of good. I thought it did a world

743
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: good this offseason with the punting competition. Yes, Green Bay

744
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily need to replace Pat O'Donnell, but they found

745
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: Daniel Wheeland and they felt really good about this guy,

746
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: and I thought, on average was one of the highlights

747
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: of special teams for them this season. In addition to

748
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: what he did as a punter, also as a holder.

749
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: I just thought, again brought a lot of consistency in

750
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: that facet. I think a lot of good can come

751
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: out of that. The one thing I feel pretty good

752
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: about with Anders is that he is not a guy

753
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: that frets. You can tell he kind of has that

754
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: calmness and that composure to him, much like Jordan Love.

755
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: We just got to figure out the process and exactly

756
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: what the hitch has been there, because with some of

757
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: these kicks, you're trying to look for the common denominator,

758
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: the parallel between them, and I really personally wasn't able

759
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: to do that. I'm also not a special teams coach. Yeah,

760
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: but if you can figure that out and allow him

761
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: the latitude that they did this year to try to

762
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: right the ship, so to speak, I think there's a

763
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: lot there too, because with the sixth round pick, you

764
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: are making a heavy investment into a player and you

765
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: want to see the thing through as opposed to what

766
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: the Vikings went through in twenty eighteen.

767
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: With his brother.

768
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, before we go, I want to get

769
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the rest of the playoff picture. At

770
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: this point, we saw Baltimore beat Houston. We saw Kansas

771
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: City win at Buffalo in really another playoff classic and

772
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: yet another heartbreaker for Buffalo Bills fans. Troit wins its

773
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: second playoff game, knocking off the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to

774
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: get that shot out in San Francisco. So Kansas City

775
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: is at Baltimore at the Lions are at the forty

776
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: nine ers. What are your thoughts on what's gonna happen here?

777
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: Lions protect the football, They absolutely win that game. I

778
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: fully believe it.

779
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: Really I do.

780
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: I think if they if Jared Goff can go in

781
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: there and keep a go sag in that interception's calm,

782
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: I think they win that game against forty nine ers.

783
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: See I'm I'm I'm gonna I'm the opposite here.

784
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: Do you think if he throws an interception they'll win?

785
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: No? What I was what I was gonna say is,

786
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: while I do believe that that the forty nine ers,

787
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: as has been proven this year, they've they've had their

788
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: struggles without Deebo Samuel on offense, and I don't know

789
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: if they're going to have Deebo Samuel for this game.

790
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: But I also feel, because I watched enough of the

791
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: forty nine ers this year, I also feel that maybe

792
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers might have gotten away with their

793
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: like off game in the playoffs, in escaping last week

794
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: and being able to beat the Packers and move on.

795
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: And I think even without Deebo Samuel, I think the

796
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are going to play much much better.

797
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: And I think I'm not counting out the Lions, but

798
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: I think the Lions are going to have a really

799
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: tough time winning that game.

800
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really think San Francisco is a different team

801
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: based on whether or not Samuel is out there. And

802
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: I know Kyle Shanahan put it as fifty to fifty

803
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: of whether or not he'll be able to play through

804
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: that shoulder injury, but they that passing game is different

805
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: when he's not available. Ye, And I'm very interested to

806
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: see which route they take. The thing I like about

807
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: the Lions is I feel like they're kind of like

808
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: a They're like a an NFL plus version of where

809
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: the Packers were at this season. They had to go

810
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: through their own crucibles too, but they passed it, yep,

811
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: and they were able to find their path into the postseason.

812
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: They won that close game against the Rams, they made

813
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: some mistakes against the Bucks, but still were able to

814
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: pull this thing out.

815
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: The Lions might have been the number one seed. Now,

816
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: granted the forty nine ers wouldn't have rested their guys

817
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: in Week eighteen, but the Niners, I mean, the Lions

818
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: might have been the number one seed if they win

819
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: that game in Dallas. Yeah, in what tam right, Now.

820
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: What's wild about that is you're right, they wouldn't have

821
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: rested Purty, but they may have had to rest McCaffrey

822
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: in that game regardless with the calf, So it would

823
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: have been very interesting to see how that would have

824
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: played out. Yeah. But to make my quick point here

825
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: on all of this, whether it's the forty nine ers,

826
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: whether it's the Lions, somebody needs to prove to me

827
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: or the or the Ravens have to have a really

828
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: poor game, that the Baltimore Ravens are not the best

829
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: team in the National Football League. The best team doesn't

830
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: always win the Super Bowl, right right, That's the way

831
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: this thing goes. Sometimes somebody gets hot, it's a best

832
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: of one tournament. That's the end of it. But Baltimore,

833
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 2: the way that d deconstructed Houston, and that's the only

834
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: other game I watched this weekend, the way they deconstructed

835
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: them and just completely defanged everything they were trying to

836
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: do offensively while picking up part their defense. Who Kansas City,

837
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: either Patrick Mahomes gonna have to play extraordinarily well or

838
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Kansas City's going to be in long afternoon.

839
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you that I think Baltimore has proven

840
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: that the Ravens are the best team in the NFL

841
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: this season. And it's it's there. It's their championship chase

842
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: to finish, right that that that's really where this is

843
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: as far as Baltimore is concerned. What I will say

844
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: with regard to the Kansas City Chiefs going into Baltimore

845
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: is for all to talk about, Patrick Mahomes is gonna

846
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: have to finally gonna have to play a road game

847
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, have to go to Buffalo. You know. Now,

848
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: obviously the Chiefs have played in you know, the week before,

849
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: they played in the freezing cold at Arrowheads, So the

850
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: conditions in Buffalo aren't going to be an issue for

851
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. But Mahomes is on the road

852
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. This is not This Kansas City team

853
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: is not the offensive juggernaut that we have seen in

854
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: in you know, past past versions with this Andy Reid

855
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes partnership. But what Patrick Mahomes did going into Buffalo.

856
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: You take out the Neil forty three offensive snaps, twenty

857
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: seven points on the board, twenty one first downs, they

858
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: were only in third down four times in the game.

859
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: I mean the offensive efficiency that they put together on

860
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: the road against a hot team, a good team, a

861
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: team had that was playing for everything because they were

862
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: tired of losing to the Chiefs, right, I mean all

863
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: the past results there. I do think Baltimore is the

864
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: best team in football. But man, what I saw on Sunday,

865
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: and I know you told me you didn't watch the game,

866
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: what I saw from the Chiefs going into Buffalo, I

867
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: absolutely cannot count them out. It would As much as

868
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I believe Baltimore is the best team in football, it

869
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: would not shock me in the slightest if Patrick Mahomes

870
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: goes in there.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is he's one of the goats,

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Speaker 2: now right, I mean.

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Speaker 1: He's I mean, if you put it this, if he

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Speaker 1: with what that Chiefs team was up against this year,

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Speaker 1: if he wins the Super Bowl again this year, all

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Speaker 1: the talk is gonna be about is he going to

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Speaker 1: ultimately surpass Tom Brady down the road as the goat

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Speaker 1: with the championships, the rings and all the accolades. Like,

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Speaker 1: if he does it this year with the team that

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs had, you can't do anything but tip.

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Speaker 2: Your cap and the one thing I will say, because

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Speaker 2: I didn't watch the games on Sunday, I had a

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Speaker 2: very important appointment with my son for Guy's Grocery Games.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of miss time with the Sun

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Speaker 2: the last couple of week.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, so I've been there in years past.

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Speaker 2: So the Sun was all about Guy's Grocery Games on

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Speaker 2: Discovery Plus this week, so that was fun. But what

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Speaker 2: I did do though, on Sunday night and on Monday

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Speaker 2: was watching those highlights on Twitter of that game.

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Speaker 3: And you can.

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Speaker 2: Spout off all the stats about Patrick Mahomes and every

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Speaker 2: single one of them is spot on, But watching how

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Speaker 2: that guy navigated the pocket on the All twenty two

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Speaker 2: film on several of those throws, Patrick Mahomes is on

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Speaker 2: a different level. Yeah, And it's gonna be a great

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Speaker 2: test seeing how he matches up with Baltimore's defense and

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Speaker 2: seeing how Steve Spagnola's defense actually tries to contain Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because that's a different challenge, a different.

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Speaker 2: Challenge too, and it's kind of an oil and water

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Speaker 2: proposition because they're going to take chances defensively to try

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Speaker 2: to contain Jackson, and Jackson can really hurt you if

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Speaker 2: you don't have the containment on himself. It'll be a

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Speaker 2: fun weekend of games. I'm excited to see how the

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Speaker 2: final four plays out. Just obviously, as Matt lafore said,

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Speaker 2: you just wish the Packers were also part of the

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Speaker 2: party in the preparation right now for Detroit. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And if there's one thing, even if it might be

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Speaker 1: a little bit painful to hear as a Packers fan,

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Speaker 1: but these are the facts. There are four teams left

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Speaker 1: playing for a championship. The Packers beat two of them

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Speaker 1: this season and back to back weeks, and they took

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Speaker 1: a third one all the way to the wire and

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Speaker 1: probably outplayed them most of the game and just came

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Speaker 1: up short. And those of those four teams that are left,

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Speaker 1: that's how the Packers fared, yep, against those squads. And

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Speaker 1: that's something to maybe just maybe hang your hat on

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Speaker 1: moving forward here. But with that we will call it

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Speaker 1: a wrap.

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Speaker 3: I got to catch a plane on this edition.

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Speaker 1: Of Packers Unscripted. And for the season of Packers Unscripted.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all out there for watching, for listening following along.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. We will be back at some

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Speaker 1: point before the draft. I don't know exactly when that's

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Speaker 1: going to be. It will be in a new room

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Speaker 1: somewhere in this building, or on Zoom or on Zoom,

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Speaker 1: or in Wes's garage with the Big G on us.

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Speaker 1: We will see what happens there. But in all seriousness,

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Speaker 1: thank you for following along. We will continue with all

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Speaker 1: of our off season coverage on Packers dot com. Have

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Speaker 1: it all for you as there so for Wes. I

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Speaker 1: am Mike, Thank you for tuning in everybody, and we

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Speaker 1: will at some point see

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Speaker 3: You next time.