1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Tommy de Dario, the brilliant Jamie Campbell Bower is my 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: guest today and wow, he has got to be one 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: of the coolest dudes that I've gotten the chance to 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: chat with. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: And I mean that now. 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: You most likely know Jamie from playing the highly talked 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: about villain Henry aka Vekna in Stranger Things, where he 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: delivers a performance that, man, it's gonna forever be talked 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: about because he is so scary and so damn good. 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: But aside from Stranger Things, he has a very long 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: list of credits to his name, from captivating audiences as 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: Anthony in Tim Burton's two thousand and seven Gothic musical 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Extravaganza Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street, to 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: co starring in The Mortal Instruments City of Bones. Oh, 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: and then there's the fan favorite Fantastic Feasts and so 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: many more memorable TV and film performances. I will be 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: here for two days if I keep going on. But 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: his talent it also extends into the music world, where 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: most recently he released his single titled Home the lyrics 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: you need to listen carefully to them. They are so 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: powerful and so vibrant. You can see everything he is 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: singing come to life as you are listening. And he 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: also announced his hard rock project Blood Magic to critical 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: acclaim no surprise there with his single death Slash Rebirth. 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: Oh and because he's not busy enough, he has a 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: new movie called Her Eyes in dropping June twenty eighth, 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: So let's add that to the mix of everything he 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: has going on. 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: This man he can do it all. 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: And not only that, he's such an introspective, thought provoking, 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: grounded person. 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: I really enjoy. 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Talking with him today about his artistry and his outlooks 35 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: on life and so much more. A guest like Jamie 36 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: is thrilling for me because he brings so much truth 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: to the discussion, and I think through sharing our truths 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: is when we can all really connect and feel less 39 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: alone in the world. So let's see if today we 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: can get Jamie to say something that he has never 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: said before. Jamie Campbell Bauer, how you doing, my friend? 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: I'm good. Thank you so much for having me. How 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: are you? 44 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 2: I am fantastic. I'm so happy you're here. 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I know you have a lot going on here in 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: the middle of filming the final season of Stranger Things. 47 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: I believe you were like on set six hours ago, 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: twelve hours ago, and here you are, so thank you 49 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: for being here. 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: Oh you're so welcome. Yeah no, I was. I was. 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: I was doing things that I can't talk about, but 52 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: yeah I was. I was on set and it's all 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: very exciting. 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: Is that weird for you to just like jump into 55 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: regular life like you are today, Like you were just 56 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: playing a villain, you know, six hours ago in this 57 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: monster and here you are just kicking it with me. 58 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: Is that weird for you? 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: Yes, I'll be honest with you, it can be. It 60 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: can be quite strange with that. It's always interesting when 61 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: you're in the middle of filming something you don't want 62 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: to be saying too much. 63 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it's yes, yeah, yeah, I can imagine. 64 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: I can imagine you're like, wait a minute, I am 65 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: me today, Okay, good to know. 66 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, finding me again, finding me again within 67 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: that space is always interesting. I think. I think I 68 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: suppose as an actor, there's always that part of you 69 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: that always wants to bring your own personal experience to 70 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: the work that you're doing, grounding it in truth. But 71 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 3: then there's also a part of me that always is 72 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 3: looking for the truth within the character as well. So 73 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: you know, blending those two worlds is always an interesting thing, 74 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: and I think subconsciously you're always picking up on things 75 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: as you go through the experience, you know, and as 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: you know, and as I've said, you know, I do 77 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: like to involve myself quite heavily in the work that 78 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: I do, so yesterday thankfully wasn't too much of a 79 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: heavy day. Otherwise we may not be here today, but 80 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: we are, unknowing. 81 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: Well, It's very nice to see you and Jamie form 82 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: because I have a feeling you'll be scaring us plenty 83 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: in the new season, so I'm glad you're here, as. 84 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: He fingers cross, fingers crossed. 85 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: Well man, we have a lot to cover today, and 86 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: I want to start with Home, your brand new single. 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: Admittedly I didn't know a lot about your musical career. 88 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: I knew you as Jamie the actor, and I started 89 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: hearing some things last year and I'm like, oh my god, 90 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: this guy can fucking sing like it blew me away. 91 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: And the power of your writing is what, really, you know, 92 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: struck me the most. So when you released Home, you 93 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: put out that you were delighted, but you were also 94 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: terrified to release it. 95 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: Why I think for me and the process that I 96 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: go through now with my music is you know, I'm 97 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: always trying to be honest, you know, with the presentation 98 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: of myself. And also I think as I've ventured further 99 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: into I mean, I'm even getting far talking about this now, 100 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: but as I ventured further into writing more country style music, 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: there is always that part of me that feels imposter syndrome. 102 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: I think I've always felt that I've always had a 103 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: little bit of imposter syndrome, both in music and in 104 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: acting too. I know it's the thing that I love 105 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: the most in the world, but there's always that part 106 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: of me that, you know, that looks at people who 107 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: have come before me and their greatness and gone, oh 108 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: my God, like I'll never be as good as you, 109 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: which is a very British thing. It's a sort of 110 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: self effacing in to that. But I do find that 111 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: with that fear, and if I'm feeling that fear, it's 112 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: generally a good thing. It's generally me It generally means 113 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: that what I'm doing is honest, and there's a vulnerability 114 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: to it, which I really. 115 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: Value well, and you're not letting that said imposter syndrome 116 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: paralyze you. You're still doing the work you want to do, 117 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: which I think is really cool because a lot of 118 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: people would say. 119 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: Ooh, yeah, that one. I'm out, I'm not doing it. Yeah. 120 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: I think that's part of my nature. That has always 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: been part of my nature. There's that rebel inside of 122 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: me that whilst I feel the fear, and as I've 123 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: grown older and become more comfortable in my skin, being 124 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 3: able to understand my own fear and recognize that, you know, 125 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 3: fear is false evidence appearing real. That's a phrase that 126 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: I've learned, and to push through it and to go 127 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: no matter what. And we're in such an interesting time 128 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: with like releasing music or releasing art in any form, 129 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: you know that now I do tend to kind of 130 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: create and go, Okay, let's put this out next week. 131 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: Let's just go for it, you know, regardless, I'm an 132 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: independent artist. I don't have to answer to a record label, 133 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: and so I do have the freedom within that because 134 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: the more I sit on things, the more I think 135 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: about them, and the more the fear will build and 136 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: I'll go no, no, no, no, Like I'm running away. 137 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: This isn't happening. That courage for me has to be 138 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: has to be instant, and it has to be Yeah, 139 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: there's an instinctuality with it. I think that I now 140 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: go with. So, yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. It's 141 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: really sweet thing to say. 142 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 143 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's really cool that you push through 144 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: and you created the song. You're stepping into the genre 145 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: and home is such an interesting concept. I mean for me, 146 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: I could really relate to it because I've always had 147 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: a very difficult relationship with you know, home and where 148 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: my home is and where I belong and where I 149 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: don't belong in all of it from a young boy 150 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: to now. I think a lot of people can relate 151 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: to that idea. And the lyrics, like I said earlier, 152 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: are so powerful. So you tell me, as the artist, 153 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: what is the meaning behind the song for you? 154 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: This song? I think for me, you know, I'm a transplant. 155 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: I live in America now, and I think as I've 156 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: grown older, I've understood my desire for a level of 157 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: security within my life. You know, I'm an artist. I create. 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: I've been living out of a bag basically since I 159 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: was about a eighteen You know, traveling around and to 160 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: have somewhere that I can go back to that is mine, 161 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: and yes, okay, it is there is There is certainly 162 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: a sort of a materialistic idea behind that, you know, 163 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 3: that to have something that belongs to me, that feels 164 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: safe to me, and in the same breath, that sense 165 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: of security and that sense of belonging and that sense 166 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: of feeling warm like you did when you were a kid, 167 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: maybe when one was much younger before before the world 168 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: came crashing in on them, is something that I can 169 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: also relate to. And I wrote it with my friend 170 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: Ryan Nissi, who is an amazing songwriter, and I've loved 171 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: his work for years and years and years. And you know, 172 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: I don't always I haven't always loved writing with other people. 173 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. You know, I was I was 174 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: in a group. I was in a band where we 175 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,119 Speaker 3: kind a major record deal for which you know, incredibly grateful, 176 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, there were lots of voices 177 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: in the room and you go into these writing sessions 178 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: with all these people, and all of a sudden, the 179 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: intention is, well, let's make a hit, you know, and 180 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: it's like, well, hold on, that's not what I want 181 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: to be doing. I want to be exploring the depths 182 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: of myself. So to venture out into a co writing 183 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 3: session again with somebody that I love was just just 184 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: a total blessing. And so Ryan and I were talking 185 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: about this idea of home and talking about whether it 186 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: pertains to a place, a person or yourself, you know, 187 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: and within that, I think the song tries to cover 188 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: as much of that as possible. Whilst it's describing. Ryan 189 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: likes to refer to his own music in the same 190 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: way that Nick ca reppos to his music is kind 191 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: of sad, bastard music, which I really appreciate, Like I'm 192 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: obsessed with that. But you know, it starts, it starts 193 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 3: with this idea of of being tied to an individual 194 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 3: when the seas are rough, when when the winds blow, 195 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: you know, can we support each other and can we 196 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 3: find ourselves that place of belonging And then at the end, 197 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: you know, the ship sinks, but they're still together. So 198 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: that sense of belonging was a togetherness which is always 199 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: interesting and it's it's a fascinating thing for me because 200 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 3: I never want to particularly in my you know, in 201 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,239 Speaker 3: my sort of adulthood, you know, to be like codependent, 202 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: you know, I like, you know, like you're my everything. 203 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: But there is a sense of when you work hard 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: at something with somebody and you create a life, and 205 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: you create a space, and you create a warmth and 206 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: you create a home, there is just that sense of, yeah, 207 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: we're doing this, you know, and this is beautiful and 208 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: I can really, I can really relate to that. So yeah, 209 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 3: it's sort of it's tied in with a lot of things. 210 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: And that's one of the things I love about Ryan's 211 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: writing is I am very much quite a linear storyteller 212 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: in my writing, you know, I like a beginning and 213 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: an end and it sort of follows one part, whereas 214 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: with Ryan's writing, each line has so much in it. 215 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: And that was one of the things I loved working 216 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: on the song with him the most, you know, was 217 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 3: what can we pepper in the next line, you know, 218 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: and then how do we tie that to what's come 219 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: before to be able to tell a story. It's really 220 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: really cool. So yeah, that's kind of what we were 221 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: going for. 222 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: I think the storytelling of it is what really struck me. 223 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: A lot of music today to me is I mean 224 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: not to like knock other genres or artists, but there's 225 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: no story, and it's like one bead or one word 226 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: twenty five times. And I like the story and I 227 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: really appreciate that with your writing, and as you said, 228 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: you stepped into this country arena which was new for you, right, 229 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: So is that something you want to continue exploring. Has 230 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: that been fun to dabble in? 231 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's something I've always wanted to explore. Somebody a 232 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: few months back reminded me of something that I'd written 233 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: around twenty thirteen around this time on social media, where 234 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: I just said all I want to be is a 235 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 3: country music. 236 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: Stuff no way. 237 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's true. You know when I started the 238 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: group that I was mentioning earlier, you know, whilst I 239 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: was writing that first record, I was also writing a 240 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: lot of country music and I never felt I never 241 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: felt like I was in a space to kind of 242 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: put that out And going back to what we were 243 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: saying about storytelling, I think for me, that's what country 244 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: music does so great folk music to gospel music, sad 245 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: bustard music like Nick Cave, you know, they tell these 246 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: really beautiful stories. One of the things that I think 247 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: for me as an artist going into that genre is 248 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 3: like I really appreciate so much of like what that means, 249 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: you know, Like I have an old truck from nineteen 250 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: seventy two that I do love to death. But am 251 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: I going to ride about my old truck. Probably not. 252 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to try and explore things in a little 253 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: in a different way. So yeah, it's definitely something that 254 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to do and something that I 255 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: hold great reverence for. And I think that America in 256 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: general has such a beautiful history of music, you know, 257 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: coming from England and predominantly putting out music that is 258 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: rock and roll. You know, I come to America and 259 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 3: I get to go to places like Memphis and meet 260 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: artists that you know, have been doing this for so 261 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: long and soak up so much of that. 262 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: You know. 263 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: I was down there. It's down in Memphis, just pre Christmas, 264 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: hanging out with this guy called Matt who started a 265 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: studio called Southern Grooves, and he used to be an 266 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: engineer at Sun Studios. And we ended up going to 267 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: Royal Studios, which is where Al Green recorded, and we 268 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: walk into the studio and boom, Mitchell is in there, 269 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden we hear this organ and 270 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: we walk into the room and there are these like 271 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: old guys in the room, and of course you always 272 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: pay respect to your elders anyway, but something about walking 273 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: into this space was like, all right, I need to 274 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: show a little bit more respect if this feels kind 275 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: of amazing. Of course they're playing music. I really understand 276 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: what a session is like. Anyway. Matt turns to me 277 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: and he's like, you know who those guys are, and 278 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: I was like, no, I honestly, I have no idea. 279 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: He's like, that's the high rhythm section. And they tracked 280 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: on Al Green's records back in the day. Then they're 281 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: still making music now. There's still some of the house 282 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: band for artists to come in. So that it was 283 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: just like a huge blessing and what a gift, you know. 284 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, I try to soak up as much of 285 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: that as I can and just really immerse myself in 286 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: that world. And you know, going back to gospel, you know, 287 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: finding old gospel records, it's very difficult to find, you know, 288 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: recorded gospel music because so much of it was just 289 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: it just happened in a church and it's kind of 290 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: passed down through generations and you know, you can still 291 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: kind of hear it now and what people are doing, 292 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: but to find the old stuff is really really difficult, 293 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: and I managed to stumble across. There was a group 294 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: called the Staples Singers, who later on became more sort 295 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: of funk music, but they started as a as a 296 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: gospel group. And I found a recording of theirs called 297 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: the Freedom Highway, which was recorded in the sixties, and 298 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: it's all like live in a church, and you know, 299 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: it doesn't sound great, but by God, it's got a 300 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: lot of soul to it. And you can't replicate that, 301 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: you can't, but you can certainly soak that up, and 302 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: you can certainly be like, all right, how do I 303 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: put as much of my own vibe into this as 304 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: these people are putting into whatever it is that's coming 305 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: out of their mouths or out of their instruments. Now, So, yeah, 306 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with it. I hold, as I say, great 307 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: reverence for it and great respect for it too. And 308 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: I grew up. I grew up. I was born in 309 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: London and we left there when I was eight, and 310 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: so we moved to the countryside. And so you know, 311 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: I do understand the idea of kind of simplicity, which 312 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: I think is what a lot of people are looking 313 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: for nowadays. You know, we're seeing we're seeing a great 314 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: sort of turn towards kind of country music, which is fantastic, 315 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: you know, kind of Post doing his thing in that world, 316 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: which is just amazing to see and people sort of 317 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 3: paying more attention to it. But I think ultimately it 318 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: comes down to this idea of simplicity. It comes down 319 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: to this idea of I don't want to sound crazy, 320 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: but like, has the sort of capitalist system failed us here? 321 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: You know, are we looking for something that's more real? 322 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: Are we looking for our connection to nature? To grass? 323 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: You know, people say, go, oh, I didn't touch some grass. Yeah, 324 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: any more grass than when you're out in the countryside, right, 325 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of where we're seeing this 326 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: this go to and that's something that I can certainly 327 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: relate to. And I think that comes with age as well. 328 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: I think, you know, this idea of I don't know, 329 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: life was much simpler back when I was a kid, 330 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: and you know, I heard my parents say it. I 331 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 3: don't believe them, or but you know, now I'm older 332 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, maybe there was this level of 333 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: kind of protection in this little bubble in the English 334 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: country I had, which which is a beautiful thing. It's 335 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: a beautiful thing, and I hope everybody finds that for themselves. 336 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: I hope everybody finds themselves that that place of safety. 337 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: I guess, well, I think we're all craving that nostalgia 338 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: and like you said, simpler times, and I like that 339 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: this song, you know, makes you kind of feel like 340 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: you want that and you crave that, and that it's 341 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: okay to to feel like you need that right whatever 342 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: that idea of home is to you. So it's really cool, 343 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: and I look forward to seeing more from you in 344 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: the genre because if this single is any little taste 345 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: of what's to come, I think some good shit is coming. 346 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: Man. So that's exciting. That's very exciting. 347 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: That's very sweet. Thank you so much. I'm just out 348 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 3: there doing my thing and hoping that if one person 349 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 3: connects to it, you know, that's. 350 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: Enough for me. Jamie. 351 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: When you're acting, you're obviously playing a character and you're 352 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: reciting someone else's words, and it's a very different mode 353 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: of art, I'll say, than writing your own music and 354 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: bearing your soul and being vulnerable in that sense is 355 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: it hard for you to open up as you did. 356 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: You have to get used to that or was that 357 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: always kind of easy and that's why you began songwriting? 358 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: Oh wow, there's been a journey within that, for sure. 359 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: I think the first record that I made with the 360 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: band that I often talk about came out of getting 361 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: so know and coming to terms with myself and coming 362 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: to terms with unprocessed anger or fear, and that was 363 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: a very cathartic and freeing time. As that progressed, found 364 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: myself getting lost. You know, I found myself getting lost 365 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 3: in that and I've been open about that before in 366 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: other interviews where I just kind of felt like I'd 367 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: lost the DNA, like the projects had lost the DNA, 368 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 3: like I wasn't as connected to myself as I needed 369 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: to be. There were times within that project after the 370 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 3: first record, for sure, where I certainly felt that. You know, 371 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: we went and we moved into this house in the 372 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 3: middle of nowhere in England, and I always wanted to 373 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: do this thing that, you know, where the Rolling Stones 374 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: went and lived in frontce and made a record, and 375 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 3: I was like, I want to do that. So we 376 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: went and we lived in this place and there were 377 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: certainly times in that experience where I felt like, yeah, 378 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: I hit it again. But then there were where I 379 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: just didn't feel like that, and I felt like I'd 380 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 3: lost myself. So when that project ended and I was 381 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: able to write stuff that was coming from my heart 382 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: or take the stuff that had come from my heart 383 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: during that time and present it, they felt like there 384 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: was this newfound sense of freedom. You know, that really 385 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 3: really was this new found sense of freedom. And you know, look, 386 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 3: I am and I can be a very private person, 387 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 3: you know. I think it's just part of who I am. 388 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: And I've been in this industry for long enough now, 389 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: you know to kind of be sometimes be cautious. But 390 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: with my music, I'm sat alone and I'm sat in 391 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: my house and I'm not thinking about the listener. I'm 392 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: not thinking about it being a radio hit. You know. 393 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to write from the heart, and I 394 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: have demos of songs that are not from that space. 395 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: But then I do get to that point sometimes where 396 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's it, I've hit it, I've got it. 397 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: Then it's coming out and I you know, I was 398 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: working on a mix with a friend of mine recently, 399 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: and I think this idea of like a visceral reaction 400 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 3: when you're creating art is really important. Does it make 401 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: you jump around when you're making it? Does it make 402 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 3: you cry when you're making it? Well, if it's doing 403 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 3: something to you, then you're telling the truth. 404 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: Right. 405 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: The worst thing is when I step away from something 406 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: and I was like, I felt nothing, well, just completely 407 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: disassociated on my own life. So is it hard sometimes? 408 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 3: I think sometimes, like you know, digging around in grief 409 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 3: or digging around in pain can always be difficult to be. 410 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 3: It's uncomfortable. That's part of my journey is coming to 411 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: terms with those parts of myself knowing that there needs 412 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 3: to be space for all of it. You know, there 413 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: just has to be space for all of it. 414 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 415 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the part of the beauty of 416 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: your artistry. It's you dig around, you write about and 417 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: sing about the things that truly matter to you so 418 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: that you do feel something, because the hope is you 419 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: want other people to feel something. And that's what I 420 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: felt listening to this song, you know, And like I said, 421 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: I gravitate towards people that have something real to say. 422 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: That's why I started the show. 423 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, also cover red carpets and 424 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: junkets where you get three minutes with somebody five minutes 425 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: if you're lucky and you can't have a real conversation, 426 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, and to me, there's nothing better than being 427 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: able to really have those forms of connection. And for that, 428 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: I think it makes your music really compelling to listen to. 429 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: So Home is out now for everybody wondering how they 430 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: can listen, you can download it. It's fantastic to definitely 431 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: take a listen to it. Jamie, your instrument, It's one 432 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: of the most interesting voices that I have heard in 433 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: both your acting and your singing, and I think to 434 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: have that combination is not something you see often. You know, 435 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: even obviously playing vecna, what you do with your voice 436 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: and how you get there and just seemingly seem to 437 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: whip that on up. It's like wait, how And then 438 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: you hear you on your music and it's totally different. 439 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: Do you ever get like a sore or horse throat 440 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: when you're playing that role of ecna? 441 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: Like, are you ever like guys, I need a minute? 442 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 3: No. I found out through process of failure. I found 443 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: out kind of how I could do it, And a 444 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: lot of it is just about relaxing. It's just about 445 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 3: trying to be as relaxed as possible. Same thing with singing. 446 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: To the moment I tense up. The moment I start 447 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 3: to worry is the moment it all goes wrong and 448 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: everything just goes like that, and no air is getting through, 449 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: nothings vibrating how it needs to. So no, I don't 450 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: get horse and sm asked to an sm as to shout, 451 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: and I, yeah, I recently had that experience for like 452 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: I had to scream, and then I had to come 453 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: in and not scream. And I woke up in the 454 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: morning being like I've got PTSD from like being out 455 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 3: like touring a band where I'm like shouting every night 456 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: and you've got another show to play, like, oh my god, 457 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: I got and everything just starts to like close up. 458 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 3: So I had to really just like reground myself and 459 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 3: resenter myself. But but no, you know, I don't don't 460 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 3: I don't get horse too often. And I've said this before. 461 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's an interesting thing I think that 462 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 3: happens with our voices in general, which is when we 463 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 3: are to to be relaxed, we do get this deeper 464 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: tmbre we get a deeper, a deeper resonance, and that's 465 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: why we're attracted to certain thingers. You know, Oh, we 466 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: get a different tombre, a different resonance, I should say, 467 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: because not all things, you know, go deeper. Some times 468 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 3: it's just air or something coming through. And yeah, you know, 469 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 3: I said, I remember. I remember day one of season 470 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: four playing Beckner Denise, who's who's our p R? You know, 471 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 3: She was like, wow, you know your voice is so different, 472 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, it's because I'm telling the truth. 473 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: And I was like in full Veckner and just like 474 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: looked at her saying this, and and I was like, 475 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: oh my god, like what, sorry, I'm so sorry. Sorry, 476 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: I don't forgive me. He took over. So yeah, yeah, 477 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't get wars, but I do. It's 478 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: it's it's also an interesting indicator of when it's good 479 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: for me as well. Just the air falls dead silent 480 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 3: on set sometimes when I'm doing it and it just 481 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: feels it's otherworldly. It's otherworldly. That's that's the only way 482 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: I can describe it. It doesn't come from me, it 483 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: really really doesn't. And it's that's the same thing with music. 484 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: You know, when something is real, it's it's coming from 485 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 3: it's coming from a place of total unknowing. 486 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know it seems like that. And I 487 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: mean nobody, nobody taught you how to do that voice, right, 488 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: like you just kind of developed it, which is why 489 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: it seemingly came from nowhere. 490 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: Correct. 491 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've listened to a lot 492 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: of Tom Waits in my time, but yeah, it kind 493 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: of came from nowhere. I mean I started and I 494 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: did it. You know, I know, Matt and Ross are 495 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: very they have a lot of reference, and Freddy Krueger 496 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: is an iconic character, but Freddy's very There's a lot 497 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: of energy going on behind Freddie all the time. You know, 498 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: he's always on the chase and he's always moving quite quickly. 499 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: And then and I was sort of trying to emulate 500 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: this thing and I couldn't quite get it. And then 501 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: I was like, I need to go back to hell 502 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: raised So I need to go back to Doug Bradley. 503 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: And I went back in there and I was like, ah, 504 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 3: this is it, this is it for me. There is 505 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: a there is a level of just what's the WORSD 506 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 3: But it's considered choice. There's just considered choice within it. 507 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 3: And I really was like that for me, that's hitting 508 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: a place that feels real to me for sure. So yeah, 509 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: it just took time and the pandemic, you know, thankfully, 510 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 3: by the grace of God, you know, I was given 511 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: the blessing of a pandemic to work through whatever I 512 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: needed to work through to figure out how to do it. 513 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: Do people just stop you all the time and say 514 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: can you give me the voice? Like, is that a 515 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: regular occurrence for you? 516 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, absolutely, And it's funny. I'm always I'm so 517 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: protective of it. I'm so so protective of it. And 518 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: that's because for me, there's a I don't know, there's 519 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: a sort of sacred nature to it that I don't 520 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 3: want to that I don't want to monopolize or bastards, 521 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 3: you know, I really don't. I just I wanted it 522 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: to be in its place on the screen and then 523 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: it's done and that's it, and that's where it lives. 524 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: And Okay, do I sometimes send my partner voice notes 525 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: if I'm sat on the toilet, you know she's in 526 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: the other room. Yeah, of course I do. I mean, 527 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 3: i'd be lying if I said that I didn't do that, 528 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 3: but you know that's in the privacy of my own home, 529 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: and you know, bless her, you know, she has to 530 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 3: sit and deal with me whilst I'm kind of working 531 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: on projects like that, you know, so I am walking 532 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 3: around the house kind of growling. So yeah, they do, 533 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: they do ask me, they do ask me, and it's 534 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: always such a blessing and I think, you know, that's 535 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 3: the other thing about this show is like just to 536 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 3: be able to be a small part of creating something 537 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 3: that means so much to so many people. Again, it's 538 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: not something that you focus on much sho doing it, 539 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: but when you come out the other side of it, 540 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: it's quite intense and it's quite shocking. It's quite shocking. 541 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: You never there's still a level of separation for me 542 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: within that, there's still like this. I was listening to 543 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: your episode on with Gosh I can't remember his name, 544 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: a singer from Matchbox twenty, and he was saying, you 545 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: know how it finds it difficult to accept, thank you 546 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 3: very much. Can relate to that, again being English, but 547 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'm just using that as a sort 548 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 3: of defense mechanism, But there's this level of separation you 549 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: know that happens within that and I'm so grateful. But 550 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: it is weird. Sometimes it's odd. It can be really odd, 551 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 3: it can be really really odd. I'm just doing what 552 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: I do and hoping that actually what I'm doing is 553 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: serving the story or serving the idea that someone else 554 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: has had. Okay, yes, I'm bringing my own ideas to it, 555 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: but I didn't write this show. I'm not behind the camera. 556 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to do the best thing that I 557 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: can do. And to see that land with people is yeah, 558 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: it's amazing, confusing, amazing, a blessing. 559 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, because you're just showing up and doing 560 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: your job and it will forever go down as one 561 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: of the most epic villain performances in the history of 562 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: television and film, and it's been time and time written about. 563 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: And you're like, well, I'm just showing up for work 564 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: and that's nice, but you're doing your job. But soak 565 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: it in. I mean, you know, I know it's all right, 566 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: as you said, you're British, but you know, enjoy the 567 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: feeling of what it means to so many people out there, 568 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: because it does, and to have people always asking you 569 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: to do the voice like clearly it resonates and you know, 570 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: sorry to disappoint you're not going on cameo anytime soon 571 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: and doing the voice for people's birthdays. But they all 572 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: love it, they all want it, and it means a 573 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: lot for fear of the Secret Service coming in here 574 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: any second and throwing me on the floor and tasing me. 575 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to reluctantly and carefully ask is there anything 576 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: you can tease for this final season? 577 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 3: I think I can go with the party line, which 578 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: is you know and actually kind of also how I 579 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: feel as well. If you thought last season was nuts, 580 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: this season is just out of control wild, Like it 581 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: is bonkers. It really really is. It's bigger. It's just 582 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 3: for me. It's just completely insane. It's completely insane. And 583 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: I feel like with last year it was easy for 584 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: me to kind of track this. Yeah, I'm like what, 585 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 3: like hold on, wait what and like going through things 586 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 3: in the night, and the process for this year has gotten. 587 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: I'm looking at my my my board that I can't 588 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: show you, but the process for this year is just 589 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: it's wild, it really is. And I was saying to 590 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: somebody the other day, you know, really, the only character 591 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 3: that I've ever gone back and redone or kind of 592 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: rediscovered was in Twilight, you know, and it was a 593 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 3: very small role, and you know, I was playing a 594 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: moody vampire. It's like you're like, it's it's you know, 595 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: it's it's you're it's just there. It's on the table 596 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: and you're like, yeah, got it. Can absolutely go and 597 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: grab that, you know, whenever in whatever world, in whatever 598 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 3: sort of however long it's been since the last film, 599 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: whatever it may be, And with this one, you know, 600 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 3: it's just continually building. And I think that it's been 601 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: really interesting as well. To have the play on in London, 602 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 3: which I went to go and see, which you know, 603 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: goes back to Henry before we met him in season four, 604 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: and to have a lot of the questions or a 605 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: lot of the thoughts that i'd had about that character 606 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 3: kind of answered by watching the play and also discover 607 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: more was really interesting for me, really really interesting. And 608 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: so yeah, it's just kind of building and building and 609 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: building and building and building and continually growing. So yeah, 610 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: it's not I'm growing, it's growing. It looks amazing. We've 611 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: got some incredible people going on and just the level 612 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 3: of detail, the level of detail it was one thing 613 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 3: about this show I think, even from season four that 614 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 3: really got to me in a good way, and this 615 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: year is no exception to that. In fact, i'd say 616 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 3: this year is ultimately even more. There's even more level 617 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 3: of detail going in, which from an artist's standpoint, just 618 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: makes you go, oh awesome, Like you look around the 619 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: room and you're like, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, great, got it 620 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: all fantastic? 621 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: Thank you? Are you almost done filming or do you 622 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: have a lot more to go through this summer? 623 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 3: We've got a bit more to go through. We've done 624 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: a lot of filming, but we do have a lot 625 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 3: more to go, and so we're going to be kind 626 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: of locked down for some time. 627 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: That means a lots of good stuff is coming. And 628 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: because you're not busy enough, you have another project coming 629 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: out at the end of June called Horizon. 630 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: You are, I. 631 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: Guess, kind of sticking to the country theme, or at 632 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: least the Western theme. Tell me about this movie and 633 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: your role and what we can expect. 634 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 3: Where do I even begin with this? Thank you so much, 635 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: by the way for bringing it up. I got a call. 636 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 3: It was the summer the show came out, and I 637 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: got a call about the movie and I got sent 638 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 3: the script and I read it and I was just overjoyed, 639 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 3: Like it immediately immediately made me terrified. It immediately made 640 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 3: me excited, and I was just like, I've got to 641 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 3: go for this, like regardless, I've just got to go 642 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 3: for this. And I did the zoom thing. I did 643 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: the zoom audition, which is always strange because you know, 644 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: there's this we're not I'm not sat in the same 645 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 3: room as somebody. There's this level of the sort of 646 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: level of focus and interaction that you have to get 647 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 3: with somebody through that is just tenfold really, And then 648 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 3: it must have been a few weeks later, I get 649 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 3: a call being like, Okay, Kevin wants to have a 650 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: zoom with you. Kevin zoomed with me and told me 651 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: I'd gotten the gig, and. 652 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: Kevin Carstner, by the way, for everybody listening, sorry. 653 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 3: Yes, Kevin, mister Carstner, and I just it just felt unreal. 654 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 3: It just felt so unreal. And cut to a few 655 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: months later, you know, I'm out in Utah in the 656 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: Lasal Mountain range, and I've got one more thing to 657 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 3: say on this before I before I talk about the 658 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: character and the film in general. On a personal level. 659 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 3: When season four finished, when we finished filming, we rented 660 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 3: a camper van, a decked out van from this great 661 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: company out in Denver, and we drove into the mountains 662 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: to a place called Crested but Beautiful, camped out there 663 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 3: for a few nights, and then we drove out into 664 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 3: Utah and we camped at this campground. And I'm not 665 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 3: going to say the name of the campground because I 666 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: want to keep it seer, but that campground ended up 667 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 3: being base camp for Horizon. So going back there, having 668 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 3: built and created these incredible memories of this landscape that 669 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 3: is just otherworldly. I mean it looks like Mars, Like 670 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 3: it just looks like Mars. This place, it's unbelievable. Was thrilling. 671 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: It was thrilling to go back there, and it felt 672 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: it felt like home again talking about this idea of home, 673 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: it just felt like home. And so I was so excited. So, 674 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 3: you know, filmed a bit down there, filmed a bit 675 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 3: up in the Lasal Mountain range and just had the 676 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 3: best time. And the film is amazing. I've been fortunate 677 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 3: enough to see it now. And you know, all those 678 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 3: old Western films. They're incredible. They're so beautiful. The storytelling 679 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:13,479 Speaker 3: is amazing, but we're in a totally different technological era now, 680 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: so able to capture that landscape and these stories with 681 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 3: the way that things look on screen. I saw ten 682 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 3: minutes of the film whilst I was When I had finished, 683 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 3: I got invited up to mister Cossoner's base camp. He 684 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 3: was like staying up there half the time, which was amazing, 685 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 3: Like in the mountains. I was like, oh, dude, you're 686 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 3: doing it. I love this. I got invited up to 687 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 3: the trailer to watch it ten minutes, says Real. I 688 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 3: burst into tears. I just fully wept in this trailer, 689 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: and it just looks incredible. I'm born in nineteen eighty eight, 690 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 3: so on a personal level, in a selfish way, which 691 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 3: is okay. You know, Kevin Costner, the actor and the director, 692 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 3: is a huge part of my childhood, the massive part 693 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 3: of my childhood. So to be stood there opposite him, 694 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 3: having him both direct and act with me, I felt 695 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 3: like a kid in a candy store, like this is 696 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 3: all my wildest dreams come true in one moment, in 697 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 3: one moment. It's amazing. The story is amazing, He's amazing. 698 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 3: The character that I play is just the meanest, baddest motherfucker. 699 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 3: It's again, you know, I said, I spoke to my 700 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 3: dad and I said to some other people I knowed 701 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 3: some text messages after watching it and just being like 702 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 3: this is a bad dude, Like this is a bad, 703 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 3: bad man. And I had so much fun with it. 704 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 3: But again, you know, talk about impasses, they injury my god. 705 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 3: You know, I'm born in England, not a cowboy or 706 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 3: you know, we used to play that when we were kids, 707 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 3: but like, you know, it's not me to be up 708 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 3: in the mountain playing that. You're like, by god, I 709 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 3: hope nobody sees through my bullshit right now. I'm giving 710 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 3: this everything I've got, and I'm really grateful because you know, 711 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 3: on a again sort of on a personal level, and 712 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 3: you know, without without without tooting my own horn, so 713 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 3: happy that it that it translates. You know, the last 714 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: thing I would want with that, that would be for 715 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 3: that to not translate. When the project like this means 716 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 3: so much to me, means so much to Kevin, means 717 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 3: so much to all the other actors involved, and I 718 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 3: just wanted to give this everything that I had. Yeah, 719 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 3: I loved it, absolutely loved it so much fun. 720 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: First of all, I would be hard pressed to find 721 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: a role that you can't do. It seems like everything 722 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: thrown your way you can kind of tackle and conquer. 723 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 1: And you know, I'd be shocked if there's an accent 724 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: or voice work you couldn't do. So I'm not surprised 725 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: that the Western, you know, Twain is authentic for your character, 726 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: and the world loves a Western. I mean, Yellowstone is 727 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: so popular and the resurgence of the genre is so 728 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: major right now. I know everybody's really excited. So it 729 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: comes out June twenty eighth. Go watch it in theaters. 730 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: Get the epic taste of the West on the big screen. 731 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: It's so fun. Jamie Man, I could talk to you 732 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: for like four more hours, but in the interest of 733 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 1: letting you have your day off, I'm going to wrap 734 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: up this conversation with the title that comes from a 735 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: question I ask all of my guests at the end 736 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: of each episode, and that question is, what is one 737 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: thing that you have never said before. I know you've 738 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: done tons of interviews, You're a private person. You put 739 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: out what you want, but is there anything that you 740 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: would want to share today. That's something you really haven't 741 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: mentioned before. 742 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 3: There's so much, I mean, there is so much. And 743 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 3: as I've been kind of thinking about this, I've written 744 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 3: so many things down, so many things down. You know. 745 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 3: I started with the silly thing, you know, which is 746 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 3: which I'll brush over quickly, which is that, in my 747 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 3: personal opinion, pineapple does not belong on pizza. 748 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 2: But I agree more. 749 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 3: But you know, on a more vulnerable and honest level, 750 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 3: I think it's taken me and we started off by 751 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 3: saying this, and I'll venture into some beautiful things within this. 752 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 3: You know, It's taken me a long time to understand 753 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 3: that life is varied, that it is sometimes tragic, that 754 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 3: it is sometimes painful, but it can also be very 755 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 3: very beautiful. And holding space for all of that is 756 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 3: is something that in my journey I ran from for 757 00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 3: a long time. I ran from feeling sad or lost 758 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 3: or whatever the things may be. And now, with the 759 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 3: knowledge and the blessings that I've had from other people, 760 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 3: I feel comfortable enough to be able to hold space 761 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 3: for all of that. And I think that one of 762 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 3: the things that I've always been very passionate about handing 763 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 3: over and it fills me with fear. Is that for 764 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 3: anybody going through any level of personal difficulty, particularly surrounding 765 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 3: something like sobriety, there is a whole world waiting for you. 766 00:42:54,040 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 3: And I need people more than people need me, and 767 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 3: sometimes sometimes sometimes and it is it's a journey. And 768 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 3: and for all the hardships that you face, or for 769 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 3: all the hardships that I face on a daily basis, 770 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 3: we will do in our own personal way. There is 771 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 3: just so much beauty to be had. There really really is. 772 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 3: So you know, I didn't grow up. I didn't grow 773 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 3: up with a lot of sober role models. I didn't, Okay, 774 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 3: was I looking for what? Was I looking for others 775 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 3: that people that confirmation bias per SAE. It was I 776 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 3: looking at rock stars? Yeah, of course, of course I was. 777 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 3: And we do we glamorize that as a society. We 778 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 3: do it. We glamorize the idea of rock and roll. Cool. 779 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 3: Rock and roll is great, don't get me wrong, fantastic hedonism, wonderful, 780 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 3: go for it. But we should also be glamorizing the 781 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 3: other side of the coin as well. And that's something 782 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 3: that I really want to do. Is I really want 783 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 3: to just be out there being like Hey, look, I'm 784 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 3: not putting myself on a pedestal. Fuck no, I am 785 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 3: not a fucking god. I get shit wrong all the time. 786 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,919 Speaker 3: I do not have all the answers, and that's why 787 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 3: I need other people as well. I need other people 788 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 3: to check me. I need to hear other people's stories. 789 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 3: And I hope that as we grow as a society, 790 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 3: we can encourage that conversation more because it's vital. It's vital. 791 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I've got. 792 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. 793 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: Man, When people like you open up and put out 794 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: those messages and you know, share something based on real 795 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: past experience, it means so much more to so many. 796 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: It's not coming from a place of nowhere. It's coming 797 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 1: from your life. And I think that glamorizing this part 798 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: of your life, where you are today is so important 799 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: and I think that's really cool. So thank you, Thank 800 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: you for sharing that today. 801 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 3: Welcome, You're welcome. Thank you for having me, thank you 802 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 3: for receiving it. I appreciate it. 803 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 2: Of course, of course, Jamie. 804 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: So everybody, you can go stream home, you can watch 805 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: the new movie coming out Horizon June twenty eighth, you 806 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: can stay up to date on all things, stranger things. 807 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: I know there's like blogs and accounts online trying to 808 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: snap pictures and get more information as the season rolls out. 809 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: But don't be trying to snap spoilers, y'all. Like, let's 810 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: let the season come out in peace, but follow all. 811 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 2: Of Jamie's stuff. He's up to so many good things. 812 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: Jamie, like I said, I could have kept this conversation 813 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: going forever. I'm gonna let you go enjoy the rest 814 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: of your day off or I'm sure you're prepping for 815 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: tomorrow's scene work. But thank you for hanging out. I 816 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: truly truly enjoy talking to you. 817 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 3: I appreciate it me too. Thank you. 818 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario. 819 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,280 Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Piglisi at iHeartRadio 820 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. 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