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Speaker 1: In today's classic episode, we're looking at the way money

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Speaker 1: don't want you to now, Pillow, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I am Ben, and that

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, today we are recording our very first

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Speaker 1: on Twitter or whatever that kind of thing. How many

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Speaker 1: of those people are real human beings to that person? Right?

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Speaker 1: And now let's again, let's make sure that will we

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Speaker 1: close out here. We don't talk in just stark and

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Speaker 1: black and white terms good and bad, because it may

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Speaker 1: be that the poor exhibit more empathy because they generally

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Speaker 1: rely on a community. There's an interdependence. It takes a village. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Is it beneficial for someone with less money to elicit

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Speaker 1: the aid or at least the compassion of another human

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Speaker 1: being and other people because they need it? Right? And

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Speaker 1: does wealth afford you the luxury to of self consideration

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Speaker 1: and self awareness? There? You know, we have these kind

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Speaker 1: of debates put so often in um emotionally manipulative terms

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Speaker 1: like oh, greed is good and people are out to

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Speaker 1: get you, or you know, the wealthy don't care. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think either of those are completely true. But

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Speaker 1: enough about my opinion. Let us know what you think. Yeah,

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