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My buddy John Middle Talk, 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: part of the Volume three and Out podcast, is joining 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: us this week. Jane mackins, I think he's doing a 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: volleyball tournament in Scottsdale, down in your home. 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I'll switch spots. Yeah for warm. 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: It's a little warm. So I want to be mister buzzkill. 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: I know, I stay off the phone right like, but 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm probably getting crush today because I just think we 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: have to be honest, and I do think Oklahoma City 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 1: is become another one of these teams where I'm kind 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: of left watching it thinking, yeah, yeah, I guess they're 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: the champ. It's roster construction it's defense, it's depth, and 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: I just got when Halliburton got hurt last night, it 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: just was a gut punch. I felt so bad for him, 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: I felt bad for me as a consumer. Just wasn't 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: that interesting. So we do it every Monday. Where Colin 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: was right, where Colin was wrong, and here we. 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: Go where Colin was right. 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: I said last week, five things I trust will happen 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: in Game seven, and they mostly did. Oklahoma City's defense 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: was great, Rick Carlisle's coaching, I mean they let it 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: half SGA got to the free throw line. And Okc's 33 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: bench was very good. Young benches usually are at home, 34 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: so I think this game Game seven. I don't know 35 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: who would have won without Halliburton's injury, but I thought 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: it was a fairly predictable sequence of events that would 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: occur regardless. 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: Of the winner. 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: Where Colin was raw. I don't trust young playoff teams. 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: In fact, the Bubble is the only time in my 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: adult life where young teams flourished, and I had my 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: questions about Okay, see, yeah, they'll be great in the 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: regular season, and they ended up being a very mediocre 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: road playoff team, but they remained healthy. They were good 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: at home. They won the games they had to against 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: Indie and Denver, and so I didn't know if this 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: team was gonna win. I kept being told Colin, they're 48 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: gonna mow through the West. Well they didn't mow through 49 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Indiana and they didn't mow through Denver. But I'll take 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: a wrong where Colin was right Kevin Durant to the Rockets. 51 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: To me, this was the obvious fit. You know, Houston 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: didn't have to give up a second first round pick, 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: and now Phoenix is sort of ball centric, guard heavy. 54 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know what it looks like for Phoenix, 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: but I do think he works here, and the Suns 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: were three and seventeen when he didn't play. He's a 57 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: get a bucket guy. He's agreeable, he can catch and 58 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: shoot it. He's got length going to give you about 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: sixty sixty five games, but because of the construct of 60 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: the Rockets roster, that's. 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: Going to be okay. So I like the move for. 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: KD where Colin was raw Team USA. How about this 63 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: plus seven point differential? Number one in the Gold Cup 64 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: so far surprising because I think without Holissic and Weston McKinney, 65 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: they lack creativity in the midfield, but the highest scoring 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: team right now in the Gold Cup. What's interesting is 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: we don't know what we're doing in goal, which is 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: usually our strength as a country. They were distracted and 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of, to be honest. 70 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: Reeling before the Gold Cup. 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: So I am surprised as the competition ratcheted up that 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: they've scored and been. 73 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: This competent where Colin was right well. 74 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Multiple sources in an ESPN story reported around the NBA 75 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: the Lakers selling to Mark Walter was going to help 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: the Lakers become what I've been preaching for five years, 77 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: a big time sports brand. They're very mom and pop. 78 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: They're very Cincinnati Bengals with a much better brand, very small, insular. 79 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: They need a fresh set of eyes and perspective. I 80 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: think this was needed, and the ESPN article last week 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: had multiple sources saying they've needed to graduate to the 82 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: next level the billionaire club for several years. 83 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: Where Colin was raw well. 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Shador Sanders immaturity and bad judgment. I'm selling my stock. 85 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: It's not the end of the world, and nobody's saying 86 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: it is. But when you're a fifth round marginal prospect 87 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: at quarterback, the maturity position you can't get caught speeding 88 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: twice in a week going over ninety miles an hour. 89 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: You just lack the judgment and self awareness for a 90 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: position fair or not that demands an adult and great 91 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: decision making. At twenty four years old, he's a good 92 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: quarterback prospect special He's not great. He didn't have a 93 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: huge arm. He doesn't move like Josh Allener, Lamar Jackson 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: or Kyler Murray. In the end, I overvalued him, overlooked 95 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: some of his maturity stumbles, and now here we are 96 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: where Colin was right. Dodgers Padres. We've been on this 97 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: since last year in the playoffs. This is the best 98 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: rivalry in sports. Maybe it is an unbelievable rivalry. They 99 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: met last week. We had ejections, drama, suspensions. They were 100 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: throwing at each other, the managers were bumping walk off 101 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: home runs. This is everything a rivalry should be. There's 102 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: a proximity geographically. Machado, the former Dodger, is now a Padre. 103 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: The Padres are young and cocky, the Dodgers are winners 104 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: and more established. All the great things that make a 105 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: great sports rivalry. And that's a baseball series in June 106 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: that had the feeling of a playoff. 107 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: Series we set up last year. 108 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: This not the Yankees in Red Sox, is must watch television. 109 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: Where Colin was right. 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: I've talked about that. Caitlyn Clark isn't part of the moment. 111 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: She is the moment. 112 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: Last week, Sophie Cunningham, who's been in the WNBA seven years, 113 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: sold her jerseys out in a day and the three 114 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand IG followers by just fouling somebody 115 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: hard in support of Caitlin Clark. Sophie Cunningham's been around 116 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: seven years, nobody paid much attention. Suddenly you can't keep 117 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: her jerseys on the rack because she's just defending Caitlyn Clark. 118 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: That is the definition of a transformative basketball player. Caitlyn 119 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: Clark is not part of it. She is the moment. 120 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: It is a Taylor Swift tour. I don't care who 121 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: plays before and after. I don't care about anybody else 122 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: on the label. It's all about Caitlin Clark. 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 124 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: in newon Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 125 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app HI. This is Jay. 126 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: I'm the producer of the Pauli and Toni Fusco Show. 127 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: Usually in these promos they asked you to listen to 128 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 4: the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen 129 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who 130 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: have the dumbest takes on sportsmagicable. Don't listen to the 131 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: show so it can get cancel. 132 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 5: What the hell are you doing our studio get him, Paula, 133 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 5: Ignore that fool. Listen to the Paul and Tony Fusco 134 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 5: Show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 135 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: He's still moving, so. 136 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: A lot of things going on. Rick Patino will join 137 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: us tomorrow. I am told it is a very good draft. 138 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: Last year was very international. You know my take on this, 139 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: I think going forward, college basketball players will mostly dominate 140 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: the draft, where it's been very internationally driven many times. 141 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: And my theory is is that then not that it's 142 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: saved college basketball, but it has made college basketball much better. 143 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: NIL. 144 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Now American colleges are able to go buy the best 145 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: European players at eighteen, and like there's been stories that 146 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: they may consider shuddering the Spanish league because American colleges 147 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: now with the NIL are buying up their best players, 148 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: so they come over here and play. They get excellent coaching. Also, 149 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: the G League, which I've always thought is nonsense. It 150 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: was like trying to hurt college basketball and marginalize it. 151 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Very few G League players Amen Thompson is one of 152 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: the few G League guys I really really love. Most 153 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: of them never kind of define their games. These finals 154 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: were all about guys that went to college for at 155 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: least two years. SGA is an exception, Chet Holmgren was 156 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: an exception, but it was a lot of two and 157 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: three year players. So I think college basketball is being empowered. 158 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: And Rick Patino, we'll talk about the draft. It is 159 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: Rutger guys, and it's Arizona guys, and it's Duke guys, 160 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: and I think that helps the NBA. That's what makes 161 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: college football in the NFL so great. As the marriage 162 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: is that you're rooting four against Baker Mayfield, but you 163 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: know who he is. You're viscerally connected to Baker Mayfield 164 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: or Caleb Williams. You may not like Lincoln Riley, but 165 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: you were interested in Kayleb Williams because of Lincoln Riley 166 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: and these college guys. There's just you know, they're either 167 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: not they're going international, they're going G league, they're gonna 168 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: play college basketball. You're going to see him at least 169 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: one year in March. But like a Zach Edy, Purdue 170 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: can pony up some money and he can stay another year. 171 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: And I was interested to watch Zach Edy last year 172 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: in college basketball. If Purdue was on, I was watching. 173 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: So I think this is going to empower college basketball. 174 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: The drafts going forward are going to be more It's 175 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: not that they're going to be more domestic, but there's 176 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: gonna be higher quality, more mature players like Cooper Flag 177 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: that can help you immediately. And I think Cooper Flag 178 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: with that great back front line for Dallas, I think 179 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: he comes in averages eighteen a game. 180 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: They're a playoff team. 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: I think Dallas of healthy will be the second best 182 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: team in the West next year. 183 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: It'll go. 184 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: You know, OKC Houston in Dallas could be very good. 185 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: John, you're looking at me, You ready to go? 186 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: I'm ready. 187 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just a gab fest over here. 188 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: So we're gonna do AF seed today, We're gonna do 189 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: NF seed tomorrow. 190 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 3: These are our surprises. 191 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: These would be surprising moves and big headlines if they 192 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: happen all start. I think Kansas City is a wild 193 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: card team. And Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers now they 194 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: have their running back situation and offensive tackles set upgrade 195 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: at receiver. Last year, the only thing they were missing 196 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: was juice. Offensively, their defense finish almost near the top 197 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: of the league. It went from last to near first 198 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: in one year. They built the culture last year. But 199 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: free agency and a draft, and you know, you know 200 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Harbaugh is good at the draft. I think they're going 201 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: to be one of the better teams in the league. 202 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I think they're an eleven twelve win team. And the 203 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: Chiefs come into the season, which would concern me with 204 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: offensive line issues. So I like the Chargers to win 205 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: the division. 206 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: You're gonna think I'm nuts. 207 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 6: Daniel Jones leads the Colts to the playoffs. This race 208 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 6: is over. He's gonna be the starting quarterback. You would 209 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 6: have said two years ago. Baker Mayfield leads Tampa to 210 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 6: the playoffs, no chance. Last year, Sam Darnold leads the 211 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 6: Minnesota Vikings the fourteen wins. 212 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: No chance? 213 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 6: What does he get an Indy an offensive coach who 214 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 6: created the start of Jalen Hurts's career. Yes, a great 215 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 6: running game, a lot like a couple of years ago 216 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 6: when he had a healthy sake one Barkley Jonathan Taylor 217 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 6: almost had fifteen hundred yards last year. The division stinks. 218 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 6: The Jags haven't been good ever, obviously, the Houston Texans 219 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 6: a lot of moving a lot of moving parts, a 220 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 6: lot of question marks with. 221 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: The offense, and the Titans no death. 222 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 6: So when you just look at the division, you look 223 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 6: at recent high picks who've resurrected their career. The Colts 224 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 6: have pretty good players and just a couple of years ago, 225 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 6: Lou Amaruno. They're a new defensive coordinator, one of the 226 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 6: best defensive coordinators in the league. 227 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: Did he just get dumb overnight? No, the Bengals let 228 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: all their players go. 229 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 6: So I think the Colts Daniel Jones a little like 230 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 6: Alex Smith when Jim Harbaugh got to the Niners. They're 231 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 6: not gonna ask him to do some They're not looking 232 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 6: for forty touchdowns here, throw me twenty. 233 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: Interesting Mike Tomlin and the Steelers after eighteen years when 234 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: a losing record will have one. First of all, I 235 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: think Baltimore, now they've upgraded their secondary, may have the 236 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: second best roster to Philadelphia in the sport. I think 237 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow maybe the best quarterback on any Sunday in 238 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: the sport. Aaron Rodgers the quarterback, well, he was five 239 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: and twelve last year. He didn't do well with the 240 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: defensive culture in New York. There's less dysfunction in Pittsburgh, 241 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: but not necessarily on the offensive side. They lost their 242 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: leading rusher, their left tackle, their leading receiver. 243 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: I like DK Metcalf, but he can me Booty too. 244 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: I just think the reality is they spend too much 245 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: money on defense not enough on offense. 246 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 3: The TJ. 247 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Watt contract extension will be hovering over their head. I 248 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be a six win team, 249 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: but I think eight is probably the number. Mike Tomlin 250 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: finally losing record. 251 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: Zach Taylor seems like a good guy, but I think 252 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 6: this will be his last season in Cincinnati. 253 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: The Bengals will have a new coach twenty twenty six. 254 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 6: This team feels like an NBA team, star players everywhere, 255 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 6: high price. 256 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: Something's missing. 257 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 6: I mean, their star defensive player, which you kind of need, 258 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 6: a pass rusher nowhere to be found. The guy they 259 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 6: drafted to replace him, showed up said I'm out. 260 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: I mean classic Bengals. Joe Burrow. 261 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 6: We saw him throw a bunch of touchdowns last year, 262 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 6: have an incredible offensive season, they still couldn't make the playoffs. 263 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 6: Division's hard. We're all gonna pick the Ravens. The conference 264 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 6: is really hard. How good the AFC West is now? 265 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 6: The Patriots are going to be much better. We think 266 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 6: that the AFC South would be a little more competitive. 267 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 6: I just think this Bengals thing, you could see it 268 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 6: coming from a mile away. And the other thing when 269 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 6: you have Joe Burrow and you have Jamar Chase, some 270 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 6: of these guys in their contract, think how desirable that 271 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 6: job would be for some of these coaches. And I 272 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 6: just think that Zach Taylor again seems like a nice guy. 273 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 6: They always start slow and they do a lot of 274 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 6: negative momentum. 275 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: I feel like coming into the season for the Vegles. 276 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: And my final one Dolphins blowout Mike McDaniel and the GM. 277 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: They went from number two scoring offense to twenty two 278 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: last year inexplicably bad offensive line and no backup to Tua. 279 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: If you have two as a quarterback, the two. 280 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: Things you have to have are a good old line 281 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: and a capable backup they have neither. They overpaid for 282 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Now they're looking, you know, Tyreek Hill. A 283 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: lot of splashy moves. I don't feel like there's a 284 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: lot of steak. It's a lot of sizzle. The best 285 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: teams in this league none of them have bad old lines. 286 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: They just lost Armstead just retired. So I don't like 287 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: their direction. I think McDaniels this is a team that's 288 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: run through coaches. Scott Greer. Don't know him, but I 289 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: haven't loved the moves. I think both Greer, Chris Greer. 290 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: I think Chris Greer and Mike McDaniel are gone after eight. 291 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: Remember New England now is really good, potentially really good. 292 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: Buffalo is winning the division, third place against both the 293 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: GM and the coach removed. 294 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 6: Speaking of the Patriots, I think they make the playoffs. 295 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 6: I mean, is there a bigger coaching upgrade? I mean 296 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 6: Pete Carroll and Mike Frable, But Mike Frabel's got more 297 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 6: to work with. 298 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: Like you said, the defense stinks. 299 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 6: And the other thing is they got an offensive coordinator 300 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 6: to go with Drake mate. Josh McDaniels not a great 301 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 6: head coach. Excellent offensive coordinator. Patriots schedule not very difficult. 302 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 6: I like the Patriots to be playing some games in 303 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 6: January like old. 304 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: Times, you know. So here we go. 305 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I got the Chargers winning the AFC West. The Steelers 306 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: will have a losing record, probably eight and nine. The 307 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: Dolphins start over, total reboot, and then John. I don't 308 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones leading the Colt to the playoffs. He 309 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: made the playoffs in. 310 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 6: New York, I know, and way more talent on this roster. Again, 311 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 6: they're just looking nine to ten wins. I'm not talking 312 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 6: twelve thirteen. Could he save Chris Ballard and change Sikeins 313 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 6: career owners you passed away recently. 314 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: Obviously the girls are now in charge. 315 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: I've said that, you know, I think I've said this. 316 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: You've heard me say this. I like everything about the coy. 317 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: When Andrew Luck retired, they get Wentz. It was pretty good, 318 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: and then they get Philip Rivers for a year it 319 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: was actually excellent, but they felt like the late owner 320 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: had a strong opinion on the quarterback situation. 321 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: And Andrew Luck. 322 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Leaving really illustrates how hard it is to find a quarterback. 323 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: Because their old line's good, they get a pass rush. 324 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: They've got nice receivers, they have a star backfield. They 325 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: have maybe the first or second mess guard in the 326 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: league in Quittin. Now they have really good pieces. But 327 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: when Andrew Luck retired, they did a remarkable job. 328 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: Wentz into Philip Rivers. They're just trying. 329 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: It's a life preserver offensive situation and Daniel Jones may 330 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: be it. We're not talking thirteen wins, but playoffs in 331 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: that division, maybe nine for sure. 332 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: Nick right around the corner. 333 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,119 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 334 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: and nooneas they're non am Pacific. 335 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: So yesterday we did the AA John's a former NFL 336 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: scout and if you've heard our podcast at the Volume 337 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: on Sunday nights and Monday morning, we like to chop 338 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: it up and talk a lot of NFL. So yesterday 339 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: we did our three things that would be surprises to 340 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people. 341 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't want to go two over the top. 342 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: I bought all of yours because I think Daniel Jones 343 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: and the Colts could win the division. I don't think 344 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: they could win the AFC West. I think they could win. 345 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: The AFC South. So here we go. 346 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: Here are the surprise moves number one. This is the 347 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: least surprising of any I've done in the last two days. 348 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: Brian Schottenneimer is a one and done. Jerry will know 349 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: by Thanksgiving he made a huge mistake. Forget the fact 350 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: that Philadelphia and Washington will probably both blow them out 351 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: in Division twice. We've got a lot of one and 352 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: done's happening now. David Cully, Steve Wilkes, Urban Meyer, Nathaniel Hackett, 353 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce, Jared Mayo. People liked Antonio Pierce. I mean 354 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: he was the Raiders, played a lot of people tough, 355 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: including the Chiefs. One and one happens all the time now, 356 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: and as the NF there was about a three year 357 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: window to make Hay in the NFC where it was 358 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: kind of soft. As John's pointed out, the coaching and 359 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: the NFC are no longer solved. And I think Dallas 360 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: is going to be humiliated on a lot of Sundays. 361 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: That's my first surprise. 362 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 6: You know, I'm gonna go with the Packers win the North. 363 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 6: I think a lot of people in Minnesota, Detroit, Minnesota 364 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 6: new quarterback right Detroit, two new coordinators. We don't know 365 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 6: if Ben Johnson can coach. The Packers went one in 366 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 6: five last year in the division. They won eleven games. 367 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 6: Their quarterback also got hurt Week one, which kind of 368 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 6: ended them off. 369 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: And they have one of the best. 370 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 6: Offensive coordinators in the league who's their head coach in Lafloor. 371 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 6: Their defense last year, getting halfway from Boston College, was 372 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 6: a top five unit in the league. So and they 373 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 6: got a lot of young players. I think the Packers 374 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 6: are going to be a force to be reckoned with. 375 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 6: I wouldn't be stunned if they were the number one 376 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 6: overall seed. 377 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: Well, here's what's interesting about that pick. I had this 378 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of inner conversation. I was thinking about this the 379 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: other day. My problem with Green Bay is every team 380 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: in the league I like has at least three elite players. 381 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 3: Who's their best player? 382 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: It's a group mutant, it is a team. I mean, 383 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: but I loved their operation, Kellan. 384 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: It is but I you know, they don't get free agents, 385 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: so they can't solve holes. So if they have a hole, 386 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: they have to get it in the draft. Like I 387 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: like their wide receivers. They saw it as a weakness 388 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: and attacked it in the first round. Like I thought, 389 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: Jay r Alexander two years ago was their best player. 390 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: I don't know who he is right now. 391 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 6: I'll say this about the Packers a lot like the Ravens. 392 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 6: They draft and develop as well as any team that 393 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 6: they do, and their offensive line is always excellent. So 394 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 6: to me, Jordan Love obviously they need him to play 395 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 6: at a higher level, but I just trust the infrastructure there. 396 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Okay, you're not gonna like this. Number two is Niners 397 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: missed the playoffs. So first of all, they lost Dre 398 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: Greenlaw who Funga and Deebo Samuel. They didn't really want to. 399 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: Those are good players. The players they have now on 400 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: offense get injured. They have a sub five hundred record, 401 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: Kyle does without Christian McCaffrey. 402 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: How many games do you get? 403 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: They're a sprain knee on Trent Williams at left tackle 404 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: from having a bad offensive line again, McCaffrey coming off 405 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: an injured season. They were six and eleven last year. 406 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: I think Seattle's got an excellent roster, That Rams defense 407 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: only getting better, and I think the Arizona guy can coach. 408 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how great they are, but they're gonna 409 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: upset including the Rams. They're gonna get some upsets next year. 410 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: Brandon Aiyuk is still recovering, Ricky Pearsol Juwan Jennings are ones. 411 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: I think the schedule helps them, but they are a 412 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: key offensive injury Christian or Trent Williams or Kittle from 413 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: being a different team. 414 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna like this Colin. The 415 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 6: forty nine ers are making the playoffs. You just talked 416 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 6: about it. Coaching, right, They have one of the best 417 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 6: coach in the league. 418 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 419 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 6: They also added Robert Sola back in the mix TENN 420 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 6: Excel and DC. They were terrible last year in one 421 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 6: score games, especially in the division. They lost a close 422 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 6: game to the Rams, They lost a close game to 423 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 6: the Cardinals. They lost a close game to the Seattle 424 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 6: All in the last final couple of minutes of the 425 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 6: fourth quarter. Christian McCaffrey is helping. Kyle just said it 426 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 6: a couple weeks ago. 427 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: He's full go. Trent Williams healthy. They have been a 428 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: lot like an NBA team. 429 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 6: They've been making these deep runs, deep runs, and they 430 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 6: just ran out of juice last year. It happens well 431 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 6: last year. They've been off since January first, so you 432 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 6: get extra rest. I think brock Perdy is going to 433 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 6: have a big year. I think Kyle has a lot 434 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 6: to prove, and I just think based on the schedule, 435 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 6: I don't think it's inconceivable they get ten to eleven wins. 436 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears will make the playoffs. First of all, 437 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: I think Minnesota's gonna regress. I don't think Detroit will 438 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: be as good because I don't know what the coordinators are. 439 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: And green Bay could be good, but they're not dominating. 440 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: They don't have dominating personnel. First of all, I think 441 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's got a Sean McVay field first thing attacks 442 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: is the offensive line. Sean Payton, first thing he attacks 443 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: offensive line. Andy Reid's done it multiple times. Fixed the 444 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: offensive line. The Bears offensive line was awful. Some of 445 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: that's Caleb absolutely, but young quarterbacks, even Jaden Daniels, it's 446 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. They need a mentor, they need a king, 447 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: a guide iber flus defensive staff. Your passing game coordinator 448 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: becomes your head coach. Jonah Jackson, Drew Dolman, Joe Tooney. 449 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: That's a really good guard center guard combination. I think 450 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: it's a nine to a ten win team. Detroit's good, 451 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: not dominating, because, as Philadelphia showed us, you can get 452 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: to a super Bowl if you lose good coordinators or 453 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: replace him with B and c's. Things get ugly by Thanksgiving. 454 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: I think the Bears make the playoffs. 455 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: Donate it. 456 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: Kyler Murray, he's one of the best athletes we've ever seen. 457 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 6: Is he a good quarterback? I think this will be 458 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 6: his last season on the Cardinals. This GM and head 459 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 6: coach did not draft him. He's never won a playoff game. 460 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 6: I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs this year. 461 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 6: How many years can you go with a high priced 462 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 6: quarterback and not win? Usually those guys get moved. He 463 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 6: still has value. You could put a highlight tape together 464 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 6: just ten twenty plays at Kyler Murray. He's as good 465 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 6: as anyone. 466 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 7: In the league. 467 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: That's right. 468 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 6: But when you watch him over the course of a game, 469 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 6: over the course of a month, he leads leaves. 470 00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 2: A lot he does. 471 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: I think he can always see receivers like two has 472 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: talked about because of size's. 473 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 6: Five to nine, but he can move. He's got a 474 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 6: huge arm. I still think he'd have a market. He's 475 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 6: not a bad player. He's if anything. He's a frustrating 476 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 6: player because the talent's there. He's pretty accurate down the field. 477 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 6: Obviously his speed is pretty special. But can he slice 478 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 6: and dice the good teams when he has to in 479 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 6: the third and fourth quarter, down the stretch of a season. 480 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: I don't see it happening. 481 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 6: So I would expect Kyler Murray in twenty twenty six to. 482 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: Be in a new home. 483 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he will have a market because he's doing his 484 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: athletic prime. So I have Dallas blows out the coaching 485 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: staff after one year. Niners close but missed the playoffs. 486 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: A little too old offensively, there'll be injuries. I think 487 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: the NFC North is very even, but I don't think 488 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: Detroit's coaching is as good. And John has the Packers 489 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: win the division, Niners do make the playoffs, and Kyler 490 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: Murray gets moved. I think in over the course of 491 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: two days, the one that people go WHOA is dan 492 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: Neil Jones makes the playoffs last year C J. Strout 493 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: pulled back. They blamed the offensive coordinator, they blamed injuries 494 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: to receivers. That one, if that's the crazy one, I 495 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: think that's got legs. 496 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 497 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 6: To me, we've seen it in recent you know with 498 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald high picks resurrecting their career and 499 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 6: to me, the Alex Smith coomp He's going to hand 500 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 6: the ball off, They're going to play defense. They're not 501 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 6: looking for forty touchdowns, they just need like twenty two. 502 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: One more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, 503 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 2: seven days a week. Within the iHeartRadio app, Search Herd 504 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: to listen live or on demand whenever you. 505 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: Like, yesterday there was you know, sometimes you just shouldn't 506 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: bring stuff up. You could be on a date, you 507 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: could be in a business meeting, you could be in 508 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: the back of an uber like, certain things just don't 509 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: bring up into the conversation. There's trigger words, there's things 510 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: that frighten people. So Stan Kronky owns the Rams, great 511 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: owner Josh Kronky also owns the Nuggets. Josh Cronky's is 512 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: he's he's kind of running day to day, the Nuggets president, 513 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: he's running things. So he was talking about, you know, 514 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: this was pre draft and he had this to say. 515 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 7: Frightening for us as an organization going into that second 516 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 7: aprit is not necessarily something that we're scared of. I 517 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 7: think that there are rules around it that we needed 518 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 7: to be very careful of with our injury history. The 519 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 7: wrong person gets injured, and very quickly you're into scenario 520 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 7: where that I never want to have to contemplate. 521 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 2: And that's the trading number fifteen. 522 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: Don't bring that up in front of a microphone, not 523 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: for like nine more years. He's the best player in 524 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: the NBA. That's one of those things. Don't even complict. 525 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: You just gave sports talk radio and Denver four weeks 526 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: of off season chatter Broncos and jo kids just getting traded, like, 527 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: don't say that, And I was saying this. So I 528 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: was talking to the staff yesterday after the show and 529 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: I said, only you'd be amazed how few players are 530 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: completely untradeable. So I have the significant seven cannot trade them. 531 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: Number one is Caitlin Clark. Literally moved merchandise up five 532 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty percent. 533 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: For the league. 534 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: She is not only the face of the WNBA, she's 535 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: the greatest face, the most popular face ever. If Indiana 536 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: moved off her, and I'm not joking here, I think 537 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: the fan base would absolutely revolt. She's turned the fever 538 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: in the league around untradeable. Number two Patrick Mahomes. It's 539 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: not that he's just talented. He's the only guy in 540 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: the last twenty years. You're gonna surpass Brady here like 541 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: the worst serious here, like Brady picked up the greatest 542 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: of all time a long time ago, right like? 543 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: Is he the guy unbelievably marketable? 544 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: Kansas City was swooning an average even with Alex Smith 545 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: and Andy Reid A one and dinner. 546 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 3: Can't trade him. 547 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: Most talented quarterback probably and come from behind quarterback, even 548 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: better than Lway. Second most untradable American athlete and a 549 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: good guy. Number three show Heyo Tani. I'm sorry his 550 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: connection to the Pacific rim. He drives road attendance. He 551 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: is better than Babe. He is the best, most talented 552 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: baseball player in the history of the sport in a 553 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: market that has I think is Dodger Stadium the biggest 554 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: stadium in baseball? It's certainly close. It's like fifty six 555 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand. He makes Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We 556 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: live in an event era. He makes every Dodger game 557 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: an event, completely untradable. 558 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 3: Show Heyo Tani. 559 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: Number four is the world's best basketball player. 560 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: The joker listen. Denver's a football town. 561 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: The fact that they have the best basketball player in 562 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: the world, can't trade him. I mean, best passing big, 563 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: best shooting big, one of the best scoring bigs. Elevates 564 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: your roster and when your coach got fired. He became 565 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: sort of a surrogate coast for the Nuggets. I mean, 566 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: they took Oklahoma City seven, and they had no bench 567 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: outside of Russell Westbrook, so untradable. Number five is Josh Allen. 568 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: I know he doesn't have a ring outside of Josh Allen, 569 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: outside of Patrick Mahomes. Privately, if the Bills called every 570 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: single team in the league and offered him, everybody except 571 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: Kansas City should take him. I don't care. I don't 572 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: care if it's Cincinnati. Girl's been hurt multiple times. He 573 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: is the most physically gifted quarterback in the league's history. 574 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: And I was an l Way Zealot. Nothing like him. 575 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: Six six, two point fifty, all about team jumps over linebackers. 576 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: He's more talented than Mahomes. He is, he's bigger, he's stronger, 577 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: his arms as strong. Number five, Josh Allen. Number six 578 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge is so great that if the 579 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: Dodgers called and said, you want o Tawni for Judge. 580 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: They wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it, and they shouldn't. 581 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 3: He is so unique. 582 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: He's a mountain man. He's six six sixty seven. He's 583 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: a great guy. He's by far and away. He's the 584 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: only guy outside of Otawni that a casual baseball fan 585 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: would probably pay to see. He's got a Paul Bunyan 586 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: esque kind of gravitas. Most home runs, He's already a 587 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: record center most home runs in American League history for 588 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: a season, sixty two. 589 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 3: And I'm serious. 590 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: If the Dodgers said we'll give you o Tawni for Judge, 591 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: they wouldn't move off him. He is a beloved player 592 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: and number seven. You're gonna think this is crazy. I 593 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: think it's Jaden Daniels. I think he is our next 594 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: superstar in the NFL. I thought last year was the 595 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: greatest rookie season by far. 596 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: He took over a lap stock. 597 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: For fifteen twenty years of franchise, relevance, maturity, arm movement to. 598 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: The nation's capital. 599 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: There is an argument over the next twenty years they're 600 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: gonna become Kansas City in the NFC that kid was 601 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: bizarrely good as a rookie. You cannot trade him. So 602 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: J Mackham only and seven you're gonna bring up? I 603 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: do think there's a number eight that you're gonna jump on. 604 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put it in there. Who's the first 605 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: one that jumps out. 606 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: To It's not on it? 607 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 8: Okay, So I'll throw a bunch of guys at you. 608 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 8: We got some time here. Let me just start with 609 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 8: the guy who just won the NBA title, right with 610 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 8: the MVP of the league scoring leader finals MVP wanted 611 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 8: to he's in. 612 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: Hallo territory, SGA. I'm just gonna start. 613 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: Do you think he's tradable? 614 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: If the Denver Nuggets called and said, we'll trade you 615 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: nice title, Jo Kicch for SGA, you would be a moron. 616 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: I get eleven and a half, a better passer, a 617 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: mountain man, the only guy in the league. Draymond green 618 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: Is said in his career wave the White Flag, there 619 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: is no way Anthony Davis can't defend him. Draymond can't do. 620 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: SGA had three bad games in the fire. 621 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 8: Fine, I want to lay up good. I would largely agree. 622 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 8: SGA is non on this list. Okay, But if that's 623 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 8: your measure, Jokic, would you do the trade Onondan Yama? 624 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 8: You do that in Hartbe's twenty one or so, fifteen 625 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 8: years of winning? 626 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: Okay, okay. 627 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: Wemby has already missed forty games with the blood clue, 628 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: so what forty some more interesting? That's what people said 629 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: about Chris bosh. Oh he went from an All Star 630 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: to out of the league. Big guys get hurt, blood 631 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: clots for taller players. Do I think Wemby's going to 632 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: be great? Yeah, he's seventy four. Nobody is really supposed 633 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: to be built to be seven to four and play 634 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: the style and pace of the NBA. I think he's 635 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: going to be great. But if I told you he 636 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: had another injury this year, he is seven to four, 637 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: So you say, well, well, well, yo, hitch, you seven feet, 638 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: he's two hundred and seventy five pounds. 639 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. 640 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 8: Caitlin Clark's hurt for the second time in two weeks. 641 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 8: Maybe maybe we had her to the list because. 642 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: There is no history of guards being heard. 643 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: Let's go, Joe Burrow. 644 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: You're telling me that read one more injury and you 645 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: have to draft a quarterback in Cincinnati. 646 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: Are you serious? 647 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 8: Yes, you think the Bengals would actually trade Joe Burrow. 648 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: Second game of the year acl Tel for Joe Burrow. 649 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 3: You are drafting another quarterback. 650 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 8: I got a big list here. Janis He does that injury. 651 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 8: So what other caurter are you gonna play? 652 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and can't hit a free throw late? No, I 653 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: mean does not have a jump shot. And what if 654 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: they can't get out of the first round. Since his 655 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: best teammates left can't get out. 656 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 8: Of the first round, they waited forty years after Jabbar 657 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 8: to win a title. 658 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: Jannis brought it to him. He makes them relevant and 659 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: you can't. 660 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 3: Get out of the first round in the East. 661 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 8: Let me hit you with Lamar Jackson, who's kind of 662 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 8: a divisive player. 663 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: Josh Allen There's lost playoff games, but has played brilliantly. 664 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: The criticism of Lamar is totally fair. He has struggled 665 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: in the postseason. If Buffalo called today and said, hey, Baltimore, 666 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: you want Josh, you make. 667 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: The deal immediately. 668 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: And I love Lamar, you make the deal immediately.