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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt. It's a Wednesday here, game week, and

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Speaker 2: you're breaking news. Nick Posa has signed a contract with

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Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine Ers. Now how much that

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Speaker 2: means he plays on Sunday, you know, remains to be seen,

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Speaker 2: but he will at least be in uniform.

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Speaker 3: I would think, Yeah, this happened fifteen minutes ago. I mean,

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Speaker 3: so this was breaking news and my phone blew up

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Speaker 3: as soon as I got out of the car walking

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Speaker 3: in here. So he has signed a five year, one

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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy million extension, one hundred and twenty two

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Speaker 3: point five guaranteed. So that's by far, by a wide margin,

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Speaker 3: the highest paid defensive player street. I'm sure Chris Jones

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Speaker 3: is doing cartwheels about it. Donald used to have a

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Speaker 3: contract well above anybody else well and and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Wats guaranteed money and his deal was eighty million. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that was the most.

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Speaker 3: Friend, This is one twenty three point five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the most defensive player.

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Speaker 3: So it was at the time. Huh okay, So what

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Speaker 3: this means? Who knows? I mean, he's gonna play. There's

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Speaker 3: no question about that. He's a phenomenal, phenomenal player. I

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Speaker 3: really think there are four edge rushers on the planet

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Speaker 3: right now, TJ, Nick Bosa, Micah Parsons, and Miles Garrett

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Speaker 3: that are truly elite. And I don't use that word.

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Speaker 3: You know, roughly all their numbers with and without Bosa

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Speaker 3: on the field are stark, stark contrast, much like TJ

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Speaker 3: that you've seen around here. He'll come off the right side,

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Speaker 3: he'll come off the left side. He's good versus the run,

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Speaker 3: he's tenacious, he's, you know, a total package player. So

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Speaker 3: will you play seventy percent of snaps? Fifty percent snaps

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Speaker 3: thirty percent? I have no idea, but he's gonna play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would at least expect him to be on

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Speaker 2: the field on second and third and longs kind of minimations,

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Speaker 2: and the key is to stay out of those.

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Speaker 3: M h. Whether whether he starts a game in first

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Speaker 3: and ten, who knows, my hunches he probably will. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna get a practice in maybe today, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what when it actually happened.

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Speaker 2: Probably not. I wouldn't think today. I mean, you come in,

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Speaker 2: you got to get this contract signed and all that

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It's it is still right now one

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Speaker 2: o'clock on the West Coast, but typically you're in the

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Speaker 2: middle of practice by now, right especially, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think this kind of gets lot so if you're a

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Speaker 2: West Coast team. And I don't know this for a fact,

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Speaker 2: but I would think since it's a one o'clock game,

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers want to have the you know,

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Speaker 2: some practices earlier in the morning, just to take you

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Speaker 2: guys on that kind of time schedule.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would make sense. Get your body clock ready

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Speaker 3: to perform at one. But he's gonna practice tomorrow, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Of course. He's gonna travel with the team. And he's

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Speaker 3: a great, great player, and I think he's the most

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Speaker 3: important Niner, including McCaffrey, Williams, Warner, any of the quarterbacks. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: he's a force. He'll come off the Uh. Tim Bens

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Speaker 3: and I were talking about it because we're gonna do

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Speaker 3: a show tonight and he was asking me, you know

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Speaker 3: what percentage is he right the end versus left the end,

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Speaker 3: and it's about fifty to fifty. And I'm not exactly

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Speaker 3: sure how they determine, you know, do they just find

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Speaker 3: a weak link. Do they move him around based on strength?

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly why they move him the way

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Speaker 3: they do, but he's equally effective on both sides.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know that keeps teams from

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Speaker 2: centering in on him. You know, you see it with TJ.

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Speaker 2: Want when he comes off that that right side of

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Speaker 2: the line, there's always more attension there. No, of course,

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Speaker 2: of course, you know, so the Steelers do move him

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Speaker 2: around a little bit, stack him and do things of

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Speaker 2: that nature. But no, Bosha is a good player, and

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Speaker 2: well they've i mean they're five and ten when he

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Speaker 2: hasn't played out in his career. So you know, there's

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Speaker 2: that It's not going to be as hot on Sunday

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Speaker 2: has been hot like ninety five today, supposed to be

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Speaker 3: So who that favors? But yeah, I mean I expect

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Speaker 3: them to be in perfectly good shape both I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: But I just don't know, can you string eight ten

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Speaker 3: difficult thing. This haven't done it well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was a seventy four percent player last year,

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Speaker 2: seventy four percent of the snaps.

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Speaker 3: So even when he's one hundred percent, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's when he's one hundred percent. So you know, I

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Speaker 2: would expect something like fifty to sixty percent of the

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Speaker 3: I would assume. I would assume. And if they need

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Speaker 3: them down it's a super close game, it'll probably be

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Speaker 3: in there more. If it's not, who knows, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but great news for the Niners. I'm frankly

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Speaker 3: not that shocked. I mean, yesterday we were talking and

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Speaker 3: it didn't it didn't ring a bell with me as

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Speaker 3: much until you mentioned it. But when when the Steelers

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Speaker 3: were in the exact same shoes with what he signed

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Speaker 3: Friday before a Sunday game, Like the guys do this now? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, I don't think Jones is going to

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Speaker 3: sign between now and Thursday night. But you know, these

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Speaker 3: guys can get in there and get acclimated pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: The elite dudes, Yeah, I mean, they're just different animals

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Speaker 2: and so uh, you know, I kind of expected this

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Speaker 2: at some point to happen, because you know, all the

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Speaker 2: talks they were close. Again, it's just a matter of

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Speaker 2: how many snaps he's capable of playing. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers have been planning for this all along. It's

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Speaker 2: not like this is going to be surprised for them.

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Speaker 2: I mean they you know, they practiced today and they

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Speaker 2: it's not like it's, oh, hey, now we got to

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Speaker 2: get ready for Nick Bosa. No, they planned on this happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I hope everyone listening is not like,

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Speaker 3: oh shucks, I thought we were going to get away

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Speaker 3: with one. I mean that was slim chances. You know,

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Speaker 3: And and like you said, the Steelers have been preparing

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Speaker 3: all along as if Nick Bosa, the defensive player of

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Speaker 3: the Year, is going to be there. And we'll see

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Speaker 3: how much. But I would think in a big manner,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter what tackle he lines up over,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna help that guy. I mean yes, I mean repeatedly,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a chip block with a running back. If

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Speaker 3: you're going to put Washington on that side a high

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Speaker 3: five percentage of the time, who knows friar and mouth

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Speaker 3: helping just rolling protection that way, but he has to

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Speaker 2: And this is a situation where the fact that the

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Speaker 2: guys are excellent in blitz pick up and helping out

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Speaker 2: on those kind of things. Yeah, I mean it really

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Speaker 2: helps in a lot of ways. But there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff that you can do to slow down these

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Speaker 2: great pass rushers, especially when it's just one guy. Now

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Speaker 2: they get you Von Hargrave as well. But yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: so really it's kind of two guys, but they didn't

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Speaker 2: and a half sacks. Their next closest guy had five.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yeah, I mean it's a huge discrepancy. Like

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Speaker 3: them in the Browns are that way too. I mean

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Speaker 3: Garrett had like sixteen and a half, the next like three. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like wow, and both those teams are trying to rectify that.

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Speaker 3: You go spend huge money on Hargrave. Brown's made a

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Speaker 3: lot of d line moves as well. Then you don't

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Speaker 3: it's great to have the what the boasts of the Garrett,

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Speaker 3: and I think the Niners do now. I mean, Steeler

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Speaker 3: fans might not remember Hargrave as a pass rusher, but

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Speaker 3: he's a force coming up the middle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I'm sure they do because he had two

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Speaker 2: sacks against the Steelers last year for the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, true, he was quite effective in that. That's one

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Speaker 2: of the narratives that kind of bothers me that people

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Speaker 2: are like, you know, Steelers should have kept Hargrave. They

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Speaker 2: couldn't afford to keep Hargreave. They get thirteen million dollars

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Speaker 2: a year from the from the Eagles. Like at that point,

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Speaker 2: you were paying Cam Hayward big money, which was well deserved,

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Speaker 2: and you were paying stuff onto two big money, which

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Speaker 2: was well deserved. Like you couldn't have three guys on

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Speaker 2: your defensive line accounting for fifty million dollars plus on

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Speaker 2: your salary cap. It just couldn't. You couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: I will say when that happened, I knew it was

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Speaker 3: going to happen. I mean, I like it was. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't even a conversation when Hargrave was hitting the market

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Speaker 3: that he could retain with the Steelers and even signed

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Speaker 3: for a little more than I expected because he was

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Speaker 3: coveted and he's an up and coming player. But I

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Speaker 3: do think that was one of the ones that I

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Speaker 2: Oh, you would have loved to have kept him. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's no there's no offens or butts about it. That's

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Speaker 2: what happens in free agency. Sometimes you can't necessarily keep

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Speaker 2: all the guys that you want. No. Of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers wanted Cam Sutton and I was about to

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Speaker 2: bring up too, Yeah, but the player has to want

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Speaker 2: to come back as well, and that's all part of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, And there there are things are human beings, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there are things going on in their lives that you know,

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Speaker 2: predicate or you know, to a different city trump you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is you're offering, you could offer the same

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Speaker 2: money or even more, and it has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with about the organization. But they got things going on

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Speaker 2: in their lives that they want and they have to take.

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Speaker 3: Care of hometowns whatever all that, that kind.

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Speaker 2: Of stuff comes into play, and so I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that happened with Javon hart Grave, but the Steelers just

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Speaker 2: couldn't afford at that time to pay Yvon Hargrave the

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Speaker 2: kind of money no he got.

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Speaker 3: And maybe what you said was one hundred percent right

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Speaker 3: about to it. And hey, we're both being big money

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Speaker 3: guys at the time, and you know, how much do

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Speaker 3: you want to spend in one room. But the way

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Speaker 3: that the team is structured now, they could be a

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Speaker 3: lot more competitive to keep a guy like that in

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Speaker 3: the future, you know. And that's on a knock on Ben.

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Speaker 3: That's the beauty of having Ben, you know, is having

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Speaker 3: a huge quarterback contract. It just handcuffs in a lot

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Speaker 3: of ways. And these teams like the Bengals and Bills

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Speaker 3: and Ravens are going to soon find that out. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're just paying their quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the salary cap is the salary cap,

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Speaker 2: and you know when you're paying your quarterback, which the

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Speaker 2: Eagles weren't really doing at that point. So it wentz

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Speaker 2: on his rookie deal, and you know, it's just how

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Speaker 2: it goes. I mean, you can't keep.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, no, no, you can't keep everybody, so it.

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Speaker 2: Becomes a bit of a cat. You know, you'd love

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Speaker 2: And it should be a lot of fun. Actually, the

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Speaker 3: I missed that this morning.

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Speaker 2: And this is by Derek Claws and he.

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Speaker 2: So he has starting off Josh Dobbs at thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Be much as I love Josh Dobbs, he is a

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Speaker 3: I think that's why he's there.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, Dobbs has only been there a couple of weeks,

432
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 2: but he'll be able to at least he at least

433
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 2: know that offense. The question is are that are the

434
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 2: skill position players good enough?

435
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 3: Oh and allowed them to compete? Yeah, I mean he's frankly,

436
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 3: probably what he's there for is to be the next

437
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 3: quarterbacks mentor.

438
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's perfect for that.

440
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: At thirty one, they have Sam Howe. Interestingly enough, those

441
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: two teams play on Sunday.

442
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 3: Maybe Washington's a big favorite in Washington, but there's I

443
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 3: guess Howl has to be thirty one. I mean we

444
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 3: only saw one career stars one game. Yeah, I mean

445
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 3: the preseason is fine. I think he might be okay,

446
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 3: but he has one.

447
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 2: Game at thirty is Baker Mayfield?

448
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 3: That's fair? Yeah, I think that's fair.

449
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 2: At twenty nine, as Anthony Richardson, should Mayfield at this

450
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: point be behind the rookies?

451
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was about to say that with

452
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 3: how Like, where do you put Richardson, young and Stroud

453
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 3: if you're gonna put Howe?

454
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Speaker 2: Although I mean how is a fast round pick.

455
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of it's just based on talent,

456
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 3: and he's also watched these guys in the preseason. But

457
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 3: Mayfield is what he is, you know, Like, I don't

458
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 3: know that he's gonna have this geno smith Lake resurgence

459
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: or anything. I think he is what he is and

460
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 3: that's basically a backup to me.

461
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So twenty nine is Richardson twenty eight is DeShawn Watson.

462
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: How about that?

463
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 3: How about that?

464
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 2: How about that?

465
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: That's that's I said.

466
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where he belonged to. That's what he

467
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: looked like last year.

468
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: That's what he put on tape. Yeah, that's exactly put

469
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 3: on tape. And that's exactly what Clawson does is he writes,

470
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 3: you know, this is the percentage of hits routes he made.

471
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 3: These are you know all his strengths of weakness was

472
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: really breaks it down tape viewer and it's tapeless, terrible.

473
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 2: Here's what he said. It's been three years since Deshaun

474
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: Watson played good football. In his return to action last season,

475
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 2: Watson looked like a shell of his former self. The

476
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 2: confidence in dynamic playmaking ability that once made him a

477
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: star we're all gone. Also, Watson's erratic ball placement was

478
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: among the worst in the league. It would be hard

479
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Speaker 2: for Watson to be as bad or worse than he

480
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty two, but I'm not betting on

481
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: him being much better until he proves it. Ball placement's

482
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: a big thing.

483
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: Huge, huge, I mean, he was ever a pinpoint act.

484
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 2: That was never his thing. When he came in.

485
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I give him credit for putting having the Stones

486
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: to put the Shan Watson behind Bryce Young Bryce Young. Yeah, yeah,

487
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 3: Stroud and the c J.

488
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Speaker 2: Stroud's at twenty six, like, if that's the way the

489
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 2: season works out in Stroud will get fired. And it's yeah,

490
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: the Houston Texans maybe made the best trade of all time.

491
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: By trading the Browns pick instead of Theirs.

492
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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's crazy.

493
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Speaker 3: I mean I don't know where I put Stroud and

494
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Speaker 3: Young to be honest, Yeah, I mean I would put

495
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Speaker 3: him right next to each other like he.

496
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Speaker 2: Did at twenty five. Is brock Purty read that.

497
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Speaker 3: One because I read his when I when I mentioned

498
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: the reception perception stuff. It's a good two sheets of

499
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 3: and he was really hard on Party. Yeah, I mean

500
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 3: that would not all of them come out yet.

501
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: But he says, so long as Kyle Shanahan is calling

502
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: plays in the forty nine ers quartet of all pro

503
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: caliber skilled players are healthy, it would be impossible for

504
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: Brock Party not to put up numbers in this offense.

505
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to get there with Perty as

506
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: an individual, though I know the same way I feel

507
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, Party's dash of playmaking outside the pocket

508
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: is a welcome edition compared to Garoppolo's static play playing style. Still,

509
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: Purty isn't more or less dynamic of a pocket passer

510
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: than previous forty nine Ers quarterbacks. Perty still is a

511
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: long way to go as pre snap commander and passer

512
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: outside the numbers. For now, Perty feels like a passenger

513
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: in a loaded offense. This is exactly what we've been saying.

514
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: Force him to throw the ball outside the numbers.

515
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, he's not a stiff. I mean he

516
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 3: will make plays, he'll improv, but that doesn't always go

517
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: well either, and he got away with a lot of those.

518
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: He really is. That's a great right up, right up?

519
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: I mean I think he's a passenger on a really

520
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 3: great train.

521
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: At twenty four is Desmond Ritter?

522
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: I am far from either the woods on him too.

523
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: If you here, if you'd listen to the national analyst, though,

524
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: there is nobody that would say, oh, the Falcons should

525
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 2: trade or the forty nine ers, I should say, should

526
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: trade Rock Party for Desmond Ritter.

527
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: Oh right, right, I see what you're saying. Right, I

528
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 3: think I'd rather ridder and I still.

529
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: The train on Brock. Party to me is, I'm not

530
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: going to say it's unfounded. Again, he did good things.

531
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 3: Last year, did he did? But if you bring the people.

532
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: Saying he was better than Kenny Pickett or out of

533
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: their minds.

534
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: Right, No, I don't think it's even close.

535
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: If Pickett had played in that forty nine ers offense

536
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: last year, and not even just that offense, but with

537
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: those weapons last year, given Christian McCaffrey, and you know, yeah,

538
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: it's great and the league's number one defense.

539
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and against easy schedule in the league, right, Yeah,

540
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: I mean it has a ton to do with it,

541
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. Just a very quarterback friendly

542
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: system that not everyone can pull off because you also

543
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: have the great players with the great system. I'm not

544
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: killing Party. He did do really good things. They seem

545
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: to think he's the answer. I've said several times in

546
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: a lot of outlets, I think Sam Darnold will be

547
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: the quarterback there at some point this year. And maybe

548
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 3: that's injury because those guys get hurt a lot in

549
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: this situation, in this system as well. But I think

550
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: Party is a very average player.

551
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we'll see, Maybe he'll prove us wrong,

552
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I don't think so. At twenty

553
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: three after a Desmond Ritterer. At twenty fourd twenty three

554
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: is Jimmy Garoppolo.

555
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: He benefited a lot from that system as well. Yeah,

556
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: he did okay with New England here and there, and

557
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: he's probably a better passer in terms of accuracy and

558
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: touch and things like that than Party, but he's not

559
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: a playmaker.

560
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: At twenty two, justin Fields.

561
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: Good Closton's an old school do the quarterback stuff, yeah,

562
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, and Fields doesn't. Yet he fields misses a

563
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: lot of layups still, which is that's the part that's all.

564
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 2: Struggling, because I think he's a better passer than that.

565
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: It sure looks like it, but the fact that he

566
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: misses some of the easy ones a little disheartening.

567
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: At twenty one is Kenny Pickett.

568
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: I wrote, I read his write up on him. He

569
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: was quite favorable about him, and that was just off

570
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: last year's tape. I heard some interview with him since

571
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: saying all the in pickets right up, there's some concerns.

572
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 3: But Derek I heard since then say, boy that the

573
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: things I was worried about look a lot better in

574
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: the preseasons. Yeah, you know what I mean.

575
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: So that's a big thing. And Pickett talked about that today,

576
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: is like, you know, a lot of the stuff we

577
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: worked on in the offseason worked in the pre like

578
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: we did it in the preseason. So that was the

579
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: one good thing that you take out of the preseason.

580
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Throwing to the middle of the field, things of that nature.

581
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: Those happened in the preseason. That was the knock on him.

582
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: From where he needed work. Yeah, and they addressed it.

583
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: What are you write up about Kenny.

584
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: As a rookie? Kenny Pickett proved that he belongs in

585
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: this league. The question now is what he's seen so much.

586
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 3: Just right there? Yeah, that first sentence is what they

587
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: want Bryce Young to his first sentence to be next year,

588
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: the first pick in the draft. Yeah, just looked like

589
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 3: you belong.

590
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: In his first season, Pickett did his best work either

591
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: in the quick game or way late in the down

592
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: as a scrambler.

593
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 3: That's very true.

594
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: Pickett's next step is feeling in everything in between. Last season,

595
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Pickett's eyes and footwork were all over the place as

596
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: soon as he moved off of first read, severely hindering

597
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: his ability to throw to the intermediate area. Pickett can

598
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: jump up this list if he becomes more of a

599
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: consistent and complete drop back passer.

600
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: Which is what they've been working on. So he looks

601
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: better at so far right.

602
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. At twenty is Jordan Love.

603
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: Okay. I think I've said it here that of the

604
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: young quarterbacks, Love and Picket are the two I'm most

605
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: confident or gonna make it.

606
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: And you weren't a Love guy, No, I really was not.

607
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: He made a lot of the same mistakes over and

608
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: over in college. I think hanging out with Aaron Rodgers

609
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 3: for all the time is good for you, you know.

610
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nineteen is Derek Carr.

611
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: I was pretty low on it.

612
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: It's pretty low on him.

613
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: I read that right up. And he was really rough

614
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: on Car for not standing in and taking hits or

615
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: you know, doing and everything he possibly could and as

616
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 3: a playmaker.

617
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen is Daniel Jones.

618
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: Okay. I kind of think that's as good as gonna

619
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: get with him. Though.

620
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: Seventeen is Tua.

621
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: It's not. It's a much better version of party. Yeah,

622
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He does the same things too,

623
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: but if you can make him hold the ball a

624
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: little bit, drive out out, deep outs, things like that.

625
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: That's not really his bag either.

626
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: Sixteen is Jared Goff, Okay, he had a good year.

627
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: Fifteen is Mac Jones. Kind of surprise he's that high

628
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: on Mac Jones.

629
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I don't think he's put that right

630
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: up out yet.

631
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: It's here.

632
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious what they say about it. I mean

633
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: the in depth one.

634
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty two season was kind of a throwaway

635
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: year from Mac Jones and the Patriots offense. Sure, no

636
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: second year quarterback would play well with Matt Patricia and

637
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: Joe Judge calling the offense, not even mentioning how ill

638
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: prepared Patricia's offensive line was each week. Bill O'Brien should

639
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: get things back to normal, as we saw on better

640
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: display in Jones' rookie season. He is still a pre

641
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: snapped genius, and his touch as a passer is Philip

642
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: River esque. Jones isn't physically gifted enough to rise to

643
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: start him, but he's better more. He's a better, more

644
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: stable quarterback than last season's stats suggests. Now, I would

645
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: agree with that's well written. He can't be worse than

646
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: he was last year if you.

647
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: Throw last year out and what numbers he like fourteen fifteen.

648
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: If he was fifteen for you after his rookie year,

649
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: maybe he should still be fifteen for you.

650
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: The problem that mac Jones has they don't have any

651
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Speaker 2: offensive weapons.

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Speaker 3: Well that's yeah, I mean that's not his fault either.

653
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: I think the frog mac Jones has is his statue

654
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Speaker 3: asque Yeah, and he's not games.

655
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Speaker 2: Well, the weapons aren't great, and he's not an elevator.

656
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: He's not an elevator.

657
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: No, he's not gonna he's not gonna lift a bad

658
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: group of you know, eligibles up. That's just not going

659
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: to happen.

660
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Speaker 3: Maybe Kenny improv the more times when he shouldn't have

661
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: last year, but he can't. Yeah, you know what I mean.

662
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: Fourteen as Russell Wilson.

663
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Speaker 3: Probably the same arguments. Yeah, that dysfunction drags down on

664
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Speaker 3: a quality player.

665
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Speaker 2: But he hasn't been good in a few years.

666
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Speaker 3: No, I didn't think he was great at the end ofacy.

667
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: I have a career. Either thirteen is Kirk Cousins.

668
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Speaker 3: He's always twelve, or thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Twelve is Ryan Tannehill.

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Speaker 3: Huh. And I say it's funny because his right up

671
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: came out today. I haven't ready yet. I will tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious what he says about him because a lot

673
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Speaker 3: of the quarterback people, Chris Sims the old school quarterback

674
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: dudes think he's a throwback quarterbacks quarterback, you know what

675
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Speaker 3: I mean. Like he'll sit there, he'll take hits, he's tough,

676
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: he knows go with football and never gets credit for it.

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Speaker 2: That's stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: Brian tanniels older than people think he's thirty five now.

680
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Speaker 2: When guys get the injured lucker last yeah, when guys

681
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: get tired of getting hit like that, quarterbacks, it falls

682
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: off quickly like they could. Yeah, and especially behind a

683
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Speaker 2: really bad offensive line.

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Speaker 3: It could be a brutal year for him. And they

685
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Speaker 3: drafted a guy in the day two the last two years.

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Speaker 2: Eleven is Gino Smith had the heck.

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Speaker 3: Of a year. I did read his right up and

688
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Speaker 3: really stressed his immense accuracy last year. Yeah, I mean,

689
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: any metric you look at, he was the most accurate

690
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Speaker 3: quarterback in the league at all levels.

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Speaker 2: Ten is Jalen Hurts.

692
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Speaker 3: I think that's where he belongs. Like people kill me

693
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Speaker 3: for saying I like Dak more than Hurts, or I

694
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Speaker 3: like Lamar more than Hurts, or I'm trying to think

695
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Speaker 3: who else. But he's got a pretty easy life too.

696
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: He's come a long way, but the best line in

697
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: the league. Three elite receivers, and he's gotten so much

698
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: better than I thought. But I can't put him in

699
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: like the mahomes Borough.

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Speaker 2: Nine is Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 3: That's probably another one, kind of a projection point, a

702
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: little bit of a lifetime achievement award him and Russell

703
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: Wilson and Mac Jones. You kind of have to throw

704
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: last year out, which might be the beginning of the

705
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Speaker 3: end though, you know.

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Speaker 2: Eight is Dak Prescott, Okay. Seven Aaron Rodgers.

707
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Speaker 3: He had a bad year. He had a bad year.

708
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: He could go back to two.

709
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: He's one that again hit that that point in his career.

710
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Speaker 2: I don't want to get hit.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Get anyone, right, Trevor Lawrence.

713
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and climbing.

714
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Speaker 2: Five Joe Burrow, Okay, I don't.

715
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Speaker 3: Think Burrow is quite the playmaker that a couple of

716
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Speaker 3: the others are above.

717
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Speaker 2: The four is Justin Herbert.

718
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could win the MVP this year.

719
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Three is Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

721
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Speaker 2: Two Josh Allen. One is Patrick mahomes So if we're

722
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Speaker 2: looking at this, and we think that Kenny Pickett can

723
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Speaker 2: take a jump from twenty one.

724
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Speaker 3: I think he get passed the mac Jones neighborhood.

725
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you're looking at Jordan Love ahead of him.

726
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: You're looking at Derek Carr ahead of him. You're looking

727
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: at Daniel Jones ahead of him.

728
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Speaker 3: Get ahead of those guys. I mean, Love is a

729
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: little different because Love to climb with him. Those other

730
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Speaker 3: guys you mentioned, I don't think are major speed bumps

731
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Speaker 3: to get over.

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Speaker 2: Two is going to have a bunch of numbers if

733
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Speaker 2: he stays healthy, because he's got great wide receivers, so

734
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Speaker 2: he might not get them like people nationally might like. Well,

735
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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett's better than Tua because Tua had four thousand

736
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Speaker 2: passing yards and five touchdowns throwing to guys that I

737
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: would have three thousand yards and thirty touchdowns throwing too.

738
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Speaker 3: The one thing that two is so perfect for that system, though,

739
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: is his timing and rhythm. I'm not says I know,

740
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: but that that his best thing is the thing they

741
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: want most out of them, You know what I mean.

742
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: It's a good fit for it, It really is. Yeah,

743
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: Jared Goff, I mean, yeah, I think he's plateaued, Yeah.

744
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: Can he be better than Mac Jones? Well, we had

745
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: that discussion just a couple of minutes ago. He's a

746
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: much better I think he's a more athletic version of Macre. Athletic.

747
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like night and day Russell Wilson Jones

748
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: better right now of playing in structure. Yeah, if the

749
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Speaker 3: structure doesn't crumble around you like a tornado hit.

750
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Speaker 2: It, I think he can be better than a fading

751
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. You know, Kirk Cousins is thirty five, right,

752
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: you know these guys, If he could play at the

753
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: Cousins level this year, that would be great.

754
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Speaker 3: That'd be great.

755
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: That's a nice.

756
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Speaker 3: Big step forward. Cousins is a good football player.

757
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: I mean Ryan Tannehill, twelve, Geno Smith. I think he

758
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: can get into that neighborhood.

759
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: Tannehill and Gino will be there a year for right now,

760
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: you know maybe, But and somebody that we're not talking

761
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: about will be Jordan Love Wilby or Bryce Young or

762
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: somebody will be you know ten after a crazy year

763
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 3: we didn't see coming.

764
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Speaker 2: But to me, I mean Deshaun Watson at twenty eight, twenty.

765
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Speaker 3: Eight, Yeah, that's like taking it personally.

766
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a mean, if you listen to people talk,

767
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: it's a given that Deshaun Watson, Oh, the Steelers have

768
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Speaker 2: the fourth best quarterback in the division. I don't know

769
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: that's a given.

770
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Speaker 3: Not that I'm fighting him, because there's more to Watson's

771
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: character than these other dudes. But the fact that he

772
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Speaker 3: gave Mac Jones, Wilson, Stafford all pass for their performance

773
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: last year and not him. I found a little bit.

774
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Speaker 2: Again, we haven't seen Deshaun Watson. It's been in four years.

775
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: I mean Stafford went Suer Bowl two years Yeah, four years.

776
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's an eternity in the NFL.

777
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Speaker 3: And Mac Jones had a good rookie year two years ago. Yeah,

778
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: I mean he's still a po you know, so I

779
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: get it. Yeah, I mean Denver just gave up a fortune. Well,

780
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: I guess so the Browns for Wilson.

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00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: I just think that. I mean, again, the fact that

782
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: people talk about the Steelers quarterback situation like it is

783
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: clearly the number four quarterback situation in the AFC North uh.

784
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: No, I think there's a lot of like we'll see.

785
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: Burrow's great, Lamar's great. I'm not going to give you

786
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: to Shaun Watson.

787
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Speaker 3: Not after what we've seen in the last eight hundred days, right, right,

788
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 3: that's a long time. Yeah, and his great His last

789
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: year I think it was twenty twenty, he was really

790
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: really good. I mean he was one of the better

791
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Speaker 3: players in the league.

792
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Speaker 2: But the team was really really bad. They won four

793
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 2: games that year. Oh he led the league in passing? Well, yeah,

794
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: because they were behind constant all the time. And that's

795
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: not what you want to Shaun. You don't want Deshaun

796
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: Watson necessarily leading the league in passing.

797
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Speaker 3: Agreed. Agreed, because you do?

798
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Burrow, you do. Yeah. Yeah, it's a different you

799
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: don't it's no right, same thing. Yeah, Like if that's

800
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: what happens, that means you had a bad season.

801
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: Like asking these guys to do like Lamar is such

802
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: a good player. I mean even Alan, do I want

803
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: him leading the league in passing? No, I want Brady

804
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: leading the league in pass Yeah, one of.

805
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: These guys that are gonna throw. That means you had

806
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: to throw the ball fifty times a game, and that's

807
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: not what these gets so much you want these guys doing.

808
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to hand it off in the last

809
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: eight minutes a game and ran the bettist and.

810
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: You've got Nick Chubb, like, you know, if you're winning

811
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: the game, you should be handing the ball to Nick Chubb.

812
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: If the Steelers are winning on Sunday against against the

813
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers, I want Kenny Pickett handing the ball

814
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: to the to the running backs and you.

815
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: Know, nausey bludgeting Mourner over and over and over until

816
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: it gets old. Yeah, going backwards.

817
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: So that's a good list though. I like that.

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00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was well thought out. That was by Derek

820
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Speaker 2: Lawson on the thirty third team. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We're gonna take a break. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lowey. He is Matt Williamson, and

828
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Speaker 2: this is the drive line Steelers Nation Radio. You one

829
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: stop shop for all things Steelers. We've got to show

830
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: gear enough for games all day. We're gearing up for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers to play on Sunday against the San Francisco

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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers and their opener, And I'm Matt Ben

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00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: Solac from The Ringer and.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of his work too. He's a

835
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: real tape nerd as well.

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00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have. He has a piece here on the

837
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: X factors for all thirty two NFL teams, and for

838
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: the Steelers he has that X factor being Patrick Peterson.

839
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I necessarily agree with that.

840
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 3: Again, I saw this article, I haven't clicked on it yet.

841
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: I think Solac does really, really good work, and my

842
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: hunch is just hearing this for the first time, is

843
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: he an old man or is he a big time contributor.

844
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that could be an X factor.

845
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: Well, here's what he says, The Steelers are your favorite

846
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 2: football handles favorite sleeper team. That being him, I would sue,

847
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: but I'm still a bit skeptical. I like the pass rush,

848
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: I like the receiving options, and I like what I

849
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: saw from Kenny Pickett in year one, especially late, but

850
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm very worried about the secondary, which swapped out Cam

851
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: Sutton and Terrell Edmonds for Patrick Peterson. Demonte Kyz, Well,

852
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: that's not that's yeah, you know they also brought in

853
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: Kean O'Neill's and Porter and other Yeah, Peterson is thirty

854
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: three years old and struggled and left in space last

855
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: year last season. Between him, Joey Porter, Junior, Levi Wallace,

856
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: and Shandon Sullivan, the Steelers really don't have a quarterback

857
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: cornerback who I trust in man coverage. But Peterson was

858
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: once that guy, and if he can stave off his agent,

859
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: Cliff for one more season, the Steelers should have enough

860
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: defensive pieces to find a top ten unit. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know a real problem with that.

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00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: Everything that's this is just me spitballing. I'm asking you

863
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: this question. So you bring in Patrick Peterson, you bring

864
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: in some of these other guys in that secondary. Mike, Mike,

865
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: the Steelers play less man this year than they have

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00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: in previous season. See.

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Speaker 3: I was wonder that too, because the whole offseason screamed

868
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: to me, big strong pressman corners and the league is

869
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: going the opposite way. And I kind of thought, man,

870
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: that's a little risky, you know, I mean, that's not

871
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 3: what the league is doing. That's a typical Belichick zig

872
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 3: when they zag type of move. But then I thought

873
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: more and more of Peterson. He's not that guy anymore.

874
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he saw who he is.

875
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: It's not really who this is not twenty nineteen Patrick Peterson.

876
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: And this even goes for the seventh round pick Trice.

877
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought, Wow, they want all these big

878
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: pressman corners and Wallace isn't really a pressman corner either.

879
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: I think they want length and physicality. I don't know

880
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: that they want Manda man all the time.

881
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: You know, tom Brady's retiring. Sure, and Tom Brady was

882
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: the was the I mean, the whole reason the Steelers

883
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: went away from their zone aspects of their defense was

884
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: because of Tom Brady. Sure, you know, oh we can't

885
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: we can't play man you know, we can't play zone

886
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: defense against Brady.

887
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: You'll pick it apart, okay, right right, I mean so

888
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: will Borrow.

889
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: But you're you're not going to play man defense against

890
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: the Bengals though, either the thing is not going to

891
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: say somebody. I think back to Patrick Peterson's initial press

892
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: conference with the Steelers and when he said, if you

893
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: expect me to go out there and run man man

894
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: and man defense against you know, against Jamar Chase for

895
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: fifty snaps, that's not who I am anymore.

896
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: Right, right, I do think that's Porter's best way of using.

897
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: Though, well that's fine, yeah, so you can do that

898
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: in spots. But they were one of the higher man

899
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: coverage teams in the league last year.

900
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: Last year, I think there were six or seven something

901
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: like that.

902
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: I don't know it's going to be that high this year.

903
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: I don't even think if people realize this though, I

904
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 3: don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'm close.

905
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: The league plays man now like thirty three. It's not

906
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: a league, yeah, you know what I mean. So if

907
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: you're at forty two, you're pretty high.

908
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: It might look like man. It might look like man

909
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: defense on your television, But if it's a lot of

910
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: times it's a matchup zone, whether you just got guys dropping,

911
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: Like I think they want to play more zone coverage

912
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: on the back end.

913
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: They very well could. I mean, Peterson's definitely geared that way.

914
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: And the thing about zone size still matters and length,

915
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like I was thinking from a

916
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 3: linebacker's perspective. Fred Warner is a perfect example. He's so long.

917
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: With these Condor arms or Tremaine Edmonds, it's hard to

918
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: throw around those guys, and Porter's a perfect example too.

919
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: We saw many instances of that at camp and as

920
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: well as in the preseason, certainly at Penn State. It's

921
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: hard to drop it in that Macgruden calls the turkey

922
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: hole and cover two when your corner has condor arms,

923
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

924
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: And I also think when you know, when you look

925
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: at all the guys that they added this seat this offseason,

926
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: all the veteran guys, I think it's easier for the

927
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: veteran guys to understand the zone concepts because they've all

928
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: done it.

929
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: They've all done it.

930
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: You know, And so I think that's you know, again,

931
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: you lose at Terrell Edmonds. Trell Edmonds, one of the

932
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: things that he did well was man up on the

933
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: opposing team's tight ends. Tight ends, Well, okay, you know,

934
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: maybe we do you do a little bit more zone stuff,

935
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: you get your pass rush back.

936
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're not.

937
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: You're not running the old you know, zone blitz stuff anymore.

938
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: But you I mean, you could still get there with four,

939
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: but play you know zone behind it and be fine.

940
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: The Steelers don't do a ton of it, but the

941
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: Fangio way, and I'm putting that in quotes is a

942
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: lot of cover four, which is four deep, give or take.

943
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: But they're not like in the front row. I mean

944
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: like with Menka and basically that's a zone that turns

945
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: into man we have man rolls rules. Is the way

946
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 3: they describe it is in my quarter, if Jamar Chase

947
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: comes through, I stick with them. I don't hand them over,

948
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: you know. So some of these lines also blur, but

949
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: you don't see Dion coming to the line of scrimmage

950
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: against Jerry Rice and manning up anymore.

951
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: That in today's NFL. I also think that when the

952
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: league was was trending towards, you know, some of the

953
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: smaller slot receivers and guys like that, there.

954
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: Was so much motion too. It was so much harder

955
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: that you just.

956
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: You just drop into his zone. You don't need the ball.

957
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: Defensive fear of the big play right man coverage lends

958
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: itself to allow it.

959
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: And that was a problem last year for this team.

960
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: Big team, big time, yeah, big time all you know,

961
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: but they allowed a.

962
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: Lot of first half of the season, they allowed a

963
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: lot of big plays. So the way to take that

964
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: away a little bit is a play more zone behind it.

965
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: It's true I mean, that's why the league is doing

966
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: what they're doing, you know, and guys like Mahomes and

967
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: Burrow really had to adjust to all right, we'll just

968
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: death buy a thousand paper cut you you know. I

969
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: mean the older guys, the Brady's and Mannings, will do

970
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: that all day. They're patient, you know. But the young

971
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: pups want to, Ah, that's boring. I gotta start getting

972
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: revved up and want to drive it down down.

973
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: That's if you have a premium pass rush. Okay, have

974
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: that it. We know we're gonna get a holding penalty,

975
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 2: We're gonna get a sack or something's gonna happen here.

976
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: That's gonna that's gonna put you behind the chains. And

977
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: you know, taking a ten or twelve play drive isn't

978
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: gonna work.

979
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 3: So I'm sure our listeners are sick of me bringing

980
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: this up because I can't stress it enough, and I

981
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: bring it full time. D Linemen are so much better

982
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: than oh lineman in the league right now. But receivers

983
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: are so much better than coverment too. That's the next

984
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: biggest discrepancy. So why am I going to man up

985
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: on from a basketball perspective, you know, Like I'm not

986
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: going to try to cover Jordan one on one, I

987
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 3: might as well put.

988
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: You do that. You have the Jordan rolls. Every time

989
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: he drives in a basket, everybody, everybody goes on him.

990
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: And he just filed the crap out of him.

991
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: And that might allow me one eighth of a second

992
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: longer for my D line to beat the crap out

993
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: of the O line that I have an advantage on,

994
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: you know, So they go hand in hand.

995
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that. I think people that are

996
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: looking for the Steelers or Patrick Peterson again, he said

997
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: it in his initial press conference. I'm not the guy

998
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: who's going to go out there and run with a

999
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: receiver for fifty plays anymore. And I also think, you know,

1000
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: the way that you create turnovers in the secondary's have

1001
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: eyes on the quarterback.

1002
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: And well the other thing too, is there's so many

1003
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: running quarterbacks right Well, that's the thing, that's that's the

1004
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: biggest thing. We should said to open the segment with that,

1005
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: because all these quarterbacks can run. If I'm turning my

1006
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: back to them, they're going to destroy.

1007
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: You think back to the game a couple of years

1008
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: ago in l A against the Chargers and Justin Herbert

1009
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: just as soon as he saw at the cornerback's back turn,

1010
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: he was taken off. He had one hundred, one hundred

1011
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: rushing yards right around one hundred rush yards in a game,

1012
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: and that's not who he is.

1013
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: And even if he got hit, you know, they were

1014
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: just big long, six foot six strives, slide get up first.

1015
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: Forty yards before anybody even realized it, because you know,

1016
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: you're so afraid of getting beaten over the top that

1017
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: you just get your back turned.

1018
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: And the other thing too, that goes back to the

1019
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: D line advantage. A lot more not a lot more,

1020
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: but a fair amount more turnovers now come off tip balls, right,

1021
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: things like that long you know, linebackers, like we were saying,

1022
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: just getting a fingertip on it, you know, make them

1023
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 3: not take a penalty like you said, not take out hold,

1024
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: not taking a legal man downfield, and have twelve thirteen

1025
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: play drives.

1026
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1027
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Steelers and Chiefs led the league in long, long,

1028
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: double digits play drives. It's a hard way to live

1029
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: for the Steelers to live. It's a hard way even

1030
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: for home and mahomes to live.

1031
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. And you know, again, I think

1032
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: you play in your division quarterbacks. Burrow takes sacks.

1033
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: He takes sacks, and watch Watson takes sacks. Yea.

1034
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: Lamar wants to get out of the pocket and run.

1035
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: So if I'm playing zone behind, if I'm playing you know,

1036
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: good coverage behind that, my four man rush is gonna

1037
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: get there. And the Steelers have a I mean they

1038
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: have defended Lamar Jackson better than anybody extremely well, you know,

1039
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: so I think you know you're built.

1040
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: It is interesting that Burrow and Watson's two of their

1041
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: biggest faults are taking sacks, and it's on. It doesn't

1042
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: matter what other line they put in front, right, you know,

1043
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: that's just who they are. They hold the ball a

1044
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: little longer, and Burrow's case, I think it's just because

1045
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: he doesn't mind geting hitting the teeth. Watson's a little

1046
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: slower to recognize and trust his legs a little bit more.

1047
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I think you know in that regard, it

1048
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: also plays into what you want to do against those two,

1049
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: you know, those.

1050
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 3: Opponents old wall, old wall.

1051
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: You know, I want to force Lamar to hold the football,

1052
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: try to.

1053
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: I went party to hold it. Yeah right, I mean

1054
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: his numbers when pressured or so much worse. Again, to

1055
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: most peoples are, but his are drastic.

1056
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's retired, like you know, the guy that, the

1057
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: guy who was the reason why you started playing more

1058
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: man defense, he's not there anymore.

1059
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 3: And news flash, tom Brady had success against zone two

1060
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: in his career.

1061
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: Basically enough, yeah, basically enough.

1062
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. I always used to love that. Like, boy, Gronkowski

1063
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: kills the Steelers. You know who else? He kills the Bears, Browns, Chiefs, Ravens, right, right, right,

1064
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: pick a team, the Bills, Like boy, the Brown Steelers

1065
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 3: can't stop tom Brady. Nobody stopped him in thirty years.

1066
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: You're right, you know that?

1067
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: Like boy, you know they played that, the Chiefs. And

1068
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: Kelsey has a big game. Boys, Steelers can't defend the

1069
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: tight end, well, yeah they can, but nobody but Kelse.

1070
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Not that one.

1071
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: These guys are the outliers.

1072
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: And then the next week Kelsey has even twenty more yards.

1073
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: And you know it does every week. I mean some

1074
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: of those guys. And that's McCaffrey, folks. McCaffrey's gonna get

1075
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: his on Sunday, well.

1076
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: I think, and that's especially true in this game against

1077
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: a team that's so good would run after the catch.

1078
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: It gets like you want to play zone against these

1079
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 2: guys because you don't want guys running down the field

1080
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: their backs turn. Here comes McCaffrey on the backfield on

1081
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Speaker 2: a wheel route, and he's got forty yards before anybody

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Speaker 2: turns around.

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Speaker 3: I mean a rule of receivers are, when I catch

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Speaker 3: the ball, if I know it's zone, sit down, look around,

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Speaker 3: go If it's man, just keep trucking. Well, there's no

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Speaker 3: Jack Tatums and Donnie Shells out there anymore, but you

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Speaker 3: learn pretty quick not to run through zones.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lallie. You're listening to the drive here

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, it is time for the Fantasy

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Speaker 2: Football Focus. Our first day with actual practice news.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen any of you.

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Speaker 2: Get to roll around the league here and find out

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Speaker 2: to see a couple of injuries, who is in, who

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Speaker 2: was out, all that good stuff. Do that when we

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Speaker 2: return right after this