1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: Me Around the NFL Podcast, Bridges All, Chaszoms, Welcome back 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: name is Dan Hanzas and I am joined by room Feld. 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: We're the heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Gregg ros All. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: What is up boys? Hey? Dan? All back together a 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: go for it? Yeah, go for it, go for it. 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: It's so great to be back. Little break clear. My 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: head was gotta get out of that l a smog, 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: get to the beautiful Jersey shore. It was nice. But 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: I come back and I'm ready to roll right right 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: into the podcast studio basically first thing in the morning. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I love it. Dan made it very clear during his 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: vacation that he did not want to spend as much 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: as a minute with any of us. Uh. There was 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: a one point a tech sent and he just shut 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: that down and said, no unsubscribed, no more communication, see 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: you back at work. Well now I know because Greg 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: got upset with all of his privately in a very 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: serious manner on his vacation when he's reached out to 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, for various management things. Yeah. When when I 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: when someone wanted me to help with their expenses while 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: I was on vacation. Yes, I got annoyed and then um, 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: and then you know, I was all of a sudden 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: wrapped into some podcast discussion and I'm like on the beach, 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: reading my book, enjoying myself, and I was like, first 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: I tried to unsubscribe. You can pull yourself out of 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: the conversation. I still got in the text. So then 28 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: I had to make I had to say, guys, we 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: did follow directions, though you'll know I was not involved 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: in any of that. I was feeling your pain. I'm 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: not going to tell other people what to do, but 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: I just stayed quiet. Pain. Good mention of pain, Greg 33 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: because a little later today Dan Hansis who is me, 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: wrote the Pain rak So on vacation, you learned how 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: to talk in the third person, next level dev operation. UM. 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: The Pain rankings wrap up today with the number one 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: UH team, who Mark is familiar with, so we'll talk 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: about that a little later. Nice show, Nice show. We're 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: also going to get into a nice right up by you, guys. 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: I read every single around the NFL piece and listen 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: to all the podcasts, so while you're too busy for text, 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: exactly the biggest mysteries heading into camp we wrote about that, 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it. I'll throw some mysteries out 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: and uh, but before any of that, we're gonna, you know, 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: of course, do some news. Unto Before we do that, 46 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say hi to TV. How are you doing, buddy? 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys? Dan? Glad to have you back. 48 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: Really yeah, I mean, this is basically the first show 49 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: of the season. We've all been taking vacations for a 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: month and now it's like we're ready the camp starting 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: next week. This is the first one and just I'm 52 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: just curious. I didn't it wasn't like plugged in too much. 53 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: But what contest the DJ win to get on our podcast? 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: That can never happen again? Greg organized that hashtag never again. 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Let's do some news. TD podcasts are great radios boring. Alright, gentlemen, 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: let's start with the Minnesota Vikings. Adrian Peterson of course, 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: uh with the team. After missing last year for obvious 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: situations that we've talked about endlessly. Now the two sides 59 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: are in a good place. The team announced Tuesday that 60 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: Peterson and the Vikings have quote mutually agreed to restructure 61 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: the restructure of the final three years of Peterson's contract. 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: Uh The deal is worth forty four million over three years, 63 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: according to the NFL media insider Ian Rappaport, Greg your takeaway, 64 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: My takeaway is that leverage is all about talent, and 65 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL there's a sliding scale, and if you 66 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: have enough talent, you can almost do whatever you need 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: you want to do off the field, you can get 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: suspended and it's not gonna hurt you because he's an 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: all time great player. In the end, he was gone 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: all of last year and he got more money out 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: of the Minnesota Vikings. And I have no problem with 72 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: that either. I'm not I'm not arguing that point. He's 73 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: worth the money. But it's interesting. If he was a 74 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: backup player, he would have been cut immediately. Instead he 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: gets a raise. That's how it works. I mean, I didn't. 76 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: I never got this idea that all the nerve of 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: him for asking for more morning after last year he 78 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: sat out. He didn't ask to sit out last year. 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: He was made to sit out, and but people thought 80 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: it was crazy when he was asking for more guaranteed money. 81 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: When that first came up, people are, Oh, no, he's 82 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: gonna get cut or he's gonna get traded or what. 83 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: And Ian stuck to that reporting way back in in March, 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: say no, he's gonna get more money out of them 85 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: in the end, and that's what he got. When One 86 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: reason that the New York Jets made Dan's pain rankings 87 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: because when they have a makeup deal, it's with Mark 88 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: Sanchez after they've courted Patton Manning and they hand out 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: way too much money to a subpar player. The Vikings 90 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: they paid the best running back in football. This works 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: for everyone. This is an example of cooler heads prevailing. 92 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson could have ended up somewhere else. The Vikings 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: would have opened up their new stadium without their greatest 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: player ever, and instead everybody worked out. Everything had happened 95 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: last year was unpleasant, but now everything is in the 96 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: rear view and he's he can go back to being 97 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: the best running back in the world. I think the 98 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: stadium thing was big because you're selling season tickets. They 99 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: think they have a good team this year. Obviously he's 100 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: on the team. You don't want to go into next 101 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: year without Peterson. They're not even giving him more money, 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: they're just guaranteeing, essentially that he will be on the 103 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: team next year over under game. Here we go eighteen 104 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: hundred yards, Mark Sessler over Greg. I'll go just thunder 105 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns, eight hundred Russian yards. By the way, push 106 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: twelve he will have over. You love the push over? Yeah, 107 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: I think a big year sixteen seventeen hundred. They've gotten 108 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: more of an air game now. I think it's gonna 109 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: be a balanced offense. I like Teddy Bridge runter a lot, 110 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: but if you're not running that offense through a p 111 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: you're over things. By the way, Under could be seventeen 112 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety yards. That's not a bad season. Well yeah, 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: when you're you're taking the game and destroying it. There 114 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: by saying that I do I do worry. There's a 115 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of team of around the 116 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: NFL buzz with the Vikings, and I do really want 117 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: them to be good. I want to route for them. 118 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: But everyone's gonna be picking them as a two man 119 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: race right now, the Cardinals and Vikings. But the good 120 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: thing about these races, I'll he's some surprises moving on. 121 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: So Adrian Peterson is staying in Minnesota for the foreseeable future. 122 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin not going anywhere. He agrees with the Steelers 123 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: on a contract extension. Of course, Tomlin has been the 124 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: head coach there since two thousand and seven, a ton 125 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: of success, including eighty two and forty six record in 126 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: the regular season and a winning record five and four 127 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: in playoff games. Uh and a super Bowl there right, 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: Bussy looks cool. If you're watching us on NFL now 129 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: you can see just you know, he cuts a striking 130 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: figure with the sunglass and he's just a guy you 131 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: want to play for. So a t NFL podcast history here. 132 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: The first Matt money Smith drop we ever had was 133 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: I'll follow Mike the a t NFL podcast will follow 134 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin anywhere. He's the cool coach. He's like cool dad, 135 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: but NFL coaches where you can tell all the guys, 136 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: all the guys on the team kind of look up 137 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: to him, and he's probably a fun guy to hang 138 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: out with the bar. Uh. And he does the He 139 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: does cool stuff, even on the sideline, even the Thanksgiving 140 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: thing with a stick in his leg out. I like 141 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: my coach getting a little saucy and it's you know, 142 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: we talked last show that, oh it would Tomlin be 143 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: in trouble if they had a season where they went 144 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: off the rails, and they have had some up and 145 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: down seasons with Tomlin. But the Steelers talk about not panicking. 146 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: They've had three coaches since sixty nine. The Browns have 147 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: had seven since. Steelers stick with their coaches and they 148 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: let those teams break it down. Steelers good, Brown's bad. 149 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying solid teams that stick with the plan 150 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: and those that blow up the operation over No. I 151 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: mean this is a very significant extension. Two eighteen. That's 152 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: four more NFL seasons by that point, He'll I've been 153 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: with the Steelers for thirteen years. By that point, Ben 154 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is you would think on the edge of retirement 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: if he's not off the team. But I mean, who knows. 156 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: It's only four years, but a lot, a lot's gonna 157 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: change it. He's had the highest winning percentage in franchise history, 158 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 1: which is Bill Kauer and Chuck Noll, and the fifth 159 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: highest winning percentage since he's been hired in the NFL. 160 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: Are you Greg rosenthought Liberty to discuss why you thought 161 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: he was in trouble last episode. I've had a few 162 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 1: people reach out on Twitter to say, why did Greg 163 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: think he was? I didn't think he was in trouble. 164 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: There's been reporting behind the scenes that Tomlin at one 165 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: point had a sort of a come to Jesus meeting 166 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: with the ownership that they wanted certain things to be 167 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: straightened out, and that included some of the stuff with 168 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: the team and discipline, and that included something that was 169 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: a little more personal or off the field. And I 170 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: think that message was heard. I believe it was either 171 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: a off season ago or two. And I think this 172 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: this speaks louder than any reports, just shows they're not 173 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: concerned at West. Give me the a f C North 174 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: Power rankings for head coaches. I think Tomlin and John 175 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: Harball are kind of neck and neck at the top. Right, 176 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: That's that's that's clear, right, John Harball is great. I'd 177 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: put Tomlin over here about just because, and then I 178 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: think it's kind of little Mike Patton, and then Marvin 179 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: Lewis I'd agree with that. I mean, I have to 180 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: go on, well, I've seen him the way he prepares 181 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: his team for the play else and I've seen his 182 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: in game challenges. So is it Andy Dalton's fault Marvin Lewis. 183 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Lewis has a longer history of mediocrity than than Andy Dalton. 184 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: That's said, Marvin Lewis has done things with the Bengals 185 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: and no one else possibly speaking of the pain writing 186 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Solomon Wilcots I talked talked to about the Bengals said 187 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis raised the Titanic is the way he put it. 188 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm competitive team that I'm probably underselling what Marvin Lewis 189 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: has done on the personnel side of things. It's a 190 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: good division of coaches. If you if you went through 191 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: all the divisions, I don't know if you could come 192 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: up with a better one than than Petton and Lewis 193 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: being the two worst ones right now. I agree with that. 194 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: Moving on, the Arizona Cardinals could probably use a tight end, 195 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: and is Chris Cooley an option? The former Redskins tight 196 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: end who really has been out of the picture as 197 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: a pro player since two thousand twelve. He's thirty three 198 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: years old, had some nice years in Washington for a while, 199 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: but he's looking to uh get back and uh, you know, 200 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: turn to get his career back on track. He says 201 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: he feels bleeping awesome and uh there's a chance that 202 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: he might sign with a team. According to a recent report. 203 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: Your thoughts, Chris Wesley, I think I can't think of 204 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: a precedent for this where it's worked out. It's been 205 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: five years since he's been an impact player in the NFL, 206 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: and the last time we saw him he couldn't run. 207 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: So I can't think of a guy who came back 208 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: at tight end or any other skill position after essentially 209 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: a half decade away and was an effective player, and 210 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: he's coming. Tight End isn't like wide receiver where you 211 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: can be good until your thirty seven or thirty eight. 212 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez and Shannon Sharp are the exceptions. Tight Ends 213 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: tend to decline a lot earlier than other Cardinals aren't 214 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: a great landing spot for any so called pass catching 215 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: tight end under Arians. It's not a position that's used 216 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: a lot in that offense. But coolly his argument was 217 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: initially that he didn't want to play for anyone other 218 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: than the Redskins, and I think he's getting that. You know, 219 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: it would be fun to get back and be with camaraderie. 220 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: That was more about that. He said I could be 221 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: any team's third tight end. He's not trying to come 222 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: in and recreate position. I think he just wants another 223 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: shot to be back on the team. Right snaps a 224 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: game for a good team. I think that would be 225 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: the max. It still seems wacky to me, just I'm 226 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: not breaking any new. It's just a few weeks ago. 227 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: He has been in the mix for media jobs, for 228 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: national media jobs, where that's you know, he's under consideration 229 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: for some of those things. And now it seems to 230 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: me like he was just kind of throwing this out there. 231 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: I feel great, I'm ready to play again. Now it's like, 232 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: oh wait, people are taking this series like, I don't 233 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: know if he's really the Cardinals are interested. Why haven't 234 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: they signed him? Well, they just that they are interested 235 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: in signed him. But you're right, they had Jimmy and 236 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: Gresham in the house too. Does any would anyone dare 237 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: take me on a sandwich when I say that he's 238 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: not going to be on a roster in week one? 239 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Oh that there's I don't think there's any way he's 240 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: going to be on a roster ya. And then it 241 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: makes you think, why are we talking about this gentleman? Well, 242 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: because it's Chris Cooley. Fun guys, but he was over 243 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: nice little life. He's made a few million dollars and 244 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: Mary Reader did he divorced the here? I mean, that's 245 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: why he's looking to get back into the NFL. Bill 246 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: Parcels was lord back into the league for similar reasons. 247 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: Signed that prenup guys. Bill parcel was lord back because 248 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: he was still good at what he did. Well, that's 249 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: part and parcel of it. That's not in its entirety. Well, 250 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: any team where the school you will not be on 251 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast anytime soon. Any team where 252 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: it hurts you when John Carlson retires, you know you 253 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: got a problem at that position. It's not a good thing. 254 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: Moving on the two little items for the Tennessee Titans. 255 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: First of all, wide receiver Justin Hunter released from jail 256 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: in Virginia Beach, Virginia on a thousand secured bond Tuesday 257 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: after being arrested on an assault charge Monday. Uh. He 258 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: has a preliminary hearing date for September three, and he's 259 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: charged with polonious assault for allegedly stabbing, cutting, and wounding 260 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: a victim with militia's intent. What are you doing? Justin 261 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Hunter was just on our ten maker A players in 262 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: the a f C list before this came well, by 263 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: the way it was on our making the leap list 264 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: last year. Another argument for that summertime, I argued vehemently 265 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: against him being on making the West knew he was 266 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: going straight. Well. The weird thing, actually, I think was 267 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: the the weapon was his fists. I don't that's how 268 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: he catches passes too. I think it was he bleddied 269 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: the guy with his fist. That's the alleged. The allegations. 270 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: The reporting in Tennessee is that they're gonna let the 271 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: process play out. He's gonna show up the training camp 272 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: and practice. I mean, they're kind of used to this. 273 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: This is there. They almost have a role for this. 274 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: It's like a history. You know, first you signed Kenny Britt, Okay, 275 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: he's that guy. Then let's replace him with Justin Hunter. 276 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: He's that guy. And now they just signed Dorio Greenbeckham, 277 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: which is really kind of in the same sort of 278 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot of talent, a lot of questions off the field. 279 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: Mold they bring one in every couple of years. It 280 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: doesn't work out. When one scout on you saw this 281 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: on Twitter that compared Justin Hunter from certain physical traits 282 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: overall game to Calvin Johnson and said that I'm not 283 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: saying that I'm not there has said similar things. There's 284 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: been Randy Moss comparisons. But those guys can catch right, 285 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: and also they care about the game. I mean, this 286 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: guy number one, you're in a heat seeking position battle 287 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: with Doryla greenback and for the same position, and this 288 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: is what you do with your summer. My problem with 289 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: Justin Hunter was if there was a defender within three 290 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: feet of him, there's no chance he's catching it, especially 291 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: not now after this didn't take contact. But apparently better 292 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: summer vacation. Dan hanss Justin Hunter no time in the 293 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: slammer for me. Mark, you could finally arrest by the way, 294 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: because Marcus Mariotte is signed his rookie deal the number 295 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: two overall pick uh, you know that nasty offset language 296 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: that had tripped up the two sides. I guess that's 297 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: taken care of, so they're presumed starting quarterback will be 298 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: at CAB. This is one was one where I guess 299 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: I get that all teams off front offices have ways 300 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: that they things they want to stick to in terms 301 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: of how they signed their players, and they don't want 302 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: to be controlled by the rookie. But how about show 303 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: a little faith in the guy you drafted number two. Overall, 304 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: offset language basically says, right, if we cut you, we 305 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: don't have to pay you as much money if you 306 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: sign with another team. How much faith are you showing 307 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: in Marcus Mariota when that's what the thorny issue is, 308 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: he's the last guy to sign. Ridiculous. Well, when you 309 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: draft guys like Jake Locker and Vince Young, you get 310 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: a little you get a little scared. It is a 311 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: ridiculous topic though the off it's like I put it 312 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter something if if you were ranking like the 313 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: dumbest offseason types of storylines, like just most pointless. Offset 314 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: language is like the last thing fans want to hear. 315 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: But my pet peeve is is reporters who write for 316 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: other reporters and offset last. We don't do that. But 317 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: there are people who, oh, you know what, this topic 318 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: is really interesting to other reporters. Fans don't care about 319 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: off and they don't understand, and they know that every 320 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: rookie signs before training camp since the collective Bargaining agree 321 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: best thing that ever came out of that. Stories don't 322 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: where Achilles Smith's west. These guys get the camp and 323 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: they start. The Bengals will have more Achille Smiths in 324 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: their future moving forward. R G three West, speaking of quarterbacks, Uh, 325 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: you and I were very bullish last summer that he 326 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: had a big comeback season ahead of them. It did 327 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: not happen. And now there was a report ESPNS Mike 328 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: Sandoz spoke with a undisclosed offensive coordinator who said this 329 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: about r G three and his chances of coming back. 330 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: Uh quote, there is no coming back he has done. 331 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: The reason is the injury slowed his legs and his 332 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: ego will not allow him to hit rock bottom and 333 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: actually grind his way back up the right way. Now, West, 334 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: I was gonna say whether unless this offensive coordinator coached 335 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: RG three, that's some unfair bs to be thrown at 336 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: the guy, isn't it. Well, I think I'm not comfortable 337 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: with a guy who who's not close to r G 338 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: three talking about his ego. But from my point of view, 339 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: I've soured on him because the guy cares more about 340 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: hashtags and football. Why does everything have to be movement 341 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: or a hashtag? Go get your nose in the playbook 342 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: and stop that. You're basically have the same point as 343 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: I did. If I'm being honest. My instinct is to 344 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: say this guy cares more about his social media presence. Well, 345 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: he did purposely lower his presence on social media this offseason. 346 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: His daughter a hashtag, his daughter's name has something he 347 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: put it on Twitter or something this is my daughter hashtag. 348 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: It's worth noting that the piece that Mike Sando did 349 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: wasn't just about r G three. He went and pulled 350 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: a ton of front office people and coaches and ranked 351 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and r G three's ranking. It is reflective 352 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: of what the overall feedback is. That was the heat 353 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: seeking quote he got, but there wasn't a lot of 354 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: nice stuff said about RG three as a place. Well, 355 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: it's crazy, though, that now we've changed that much that 356 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: there was a legitimate debate two years ago between luck 357 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: and and r G three. We have changed so much 358 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: that it would ultimately surprise everyone. If r G three 359 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: is respectable he plays as well as Andy Dalton this season, 360 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: people will be like, Wow, that's a nice little comeback season. 361 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: Why did you say it's it's weird that we've changed 362 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: that much. It's Weird's the r G r G three's 363 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: change that I agree. When they were showing some clips 364 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: here if you're watching us on video, and I just 365 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: wanted to scream out, get rid of the ball RG 366 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: three because this was a guy that won with his 367 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: feet and now he's having to change who he is entirely. 368 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: Is he committed to doing that? Yeah? For the record, 369 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: this guy is not the only one with that criticism. 370 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: There's another personnel director who said the same thing about humility. 371 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: Mike Shannon has come out and said injuries are not 372 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: the problem with r G three. He's got to capitulate 373 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: the coaching, and Steve Young and Trent Dilford have had 374 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: similar opinions. You must camp the way you've done things. 375 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: R G three isn't working, and you can't beat linebackers 376 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: to the edge anymore. You've got to learn to play 377 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: from the pocket. We're Subway spokesman RG three or Jared. 378 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to Jared all along. I 379 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: was gonna say, hell, hath no fury like a West scorned, 380 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: but you just like compared, compare the I'm just saying, 381 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Subways in a fix. They've got to start to think. 382 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: I think Justin Tux wrong about r G three, but 383 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: I had no idea I was gonna be wrong to 384 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: the point where the guy forgot how to play quarter. 385 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: I just wanna point out, though we've seen careers, and 386 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: we've seen the NFL go up and down and surprise 387 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: us year after year after year, and I and I 388 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: have to think the types of candidates that we like 389 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: to come back, our guys that are young and have 390 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: shown the ability at some point to be great players 391 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL. So there has to be some possibility 392 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: that he's not done. Has to be alright, alright, guys, yeah, 393 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: shut it down. We've got a lot of time to 394 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: talk about RG three. You don't have to go all 395 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: show about it, you know, And we're just doing what 396 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: we're rest you know. All right, here we go, we go, 397 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: let's move on. That's what's happening in the news. A 398 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: lot of time to talk about RG three, but not 399 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: as much time to talk about this because this is 400 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: there's an exploration data on this topic NFL's biggest mysteries 401 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: heading into camp. Uh. You know, listen, you guys wrote 402 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: a great job on this piece. By the way, West 403 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: out of nowhere came up with this topic. H him, 404 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: high octane content, came up with a great idea. We 405 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: were sitting around twiddling our thumbs. Bang, this thing took off. 406 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: Metrics wise, sit blow well less. Since you I don't 407 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: know if that's true. You are the man who came 408 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: up with this brilliant idea. Why don't we start it 409 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: with you? What to use the biggest mystery as we 410 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: head towards trading camp, which is right around the corner now. 411 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: But the reason why this idea popped in my head 412 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: is because I've mentioned it several times on the podcast already. 413 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning's body, specifically his arm, is the biggest question mark, 414 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: and to me, it's the biggest mystery because his body 415 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: is the most important of all the mysteries to his 416 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: team's success. If he if he's not the first half 417 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: of two thousand fourteen Peyton Manning, the Broncos Super Bowl 418 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: window is closed. If he plays like he did in 419 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: December and January, they they might have to rebuild. It's 420 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: one of those mysteries. We'll have to wait until the season, 421 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: and we might't even have to wait until week ten 422 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: of the season. They have to wait until Jane where 423 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: because quarterbacks bodies at age thirty nine tended to deteriorate 424 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: over the course of the season. I think you can 425 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: win in the NFL without an arm though I don't. 426 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: I don't mean you're gonna be the best quarterback if 427 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: you're Manning. If you're Manning and you have a great 428 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: team around you, a good running game, a great defense, 429 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: Like he could be the tenth best quarterback in the 430 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: league and be very limited and they could win the 431 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I think from one angle, like the Gary 432 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: Kubi I don't hire is a good hire. If you 433 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: want to shift some of the focus off your quarterback, 434 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: he can win other ways. That's what I like about. 435 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: With the run game and what they can do there, 436 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to. It can't be all Manning like 437 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: it was two seasons. And I guess my point it's 438 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: like overall effectiveness. Can Peyton Manning be as good as 439 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: Eli Manning was a couple of times? Like we sure? 440 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: In terms of over the course of a season? Sure? 441 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: Why not? Speaking of Eli Manning, I visited a buddy 442 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: in Jersey during my vacation. Happens to live right around 443 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: the block from Eli. Told the story of he was 444 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: cruising down the street checking out the house because he 445 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: had heard at you know, around the neighborhood that he 446 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: lived there. And he pulls up and there's Eli standing 447 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: there with his daughter like staring right up my buddy, 448 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: and he said it was really embarrassing and he didn't 449 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: know what to do. So I just drove away very concerning. Yeah, 450 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: nice house. Did he waver No, it was just like 451 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: they made eye contact, and then my buddy, who's a 452 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: huge Giants fan, just squirmed and drove away. Well, it's 453 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: a bit of a stalk or a shot move. It 454 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: didn't turn out on. He didn't mean to be face 455 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: to face. He just wanted to see the house, That's 456 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. I could see Mark doing that. Oh yeah, cool, 457 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: thank you for pointing me out of the four of us, 458 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and went driving by the Pattons. You know, I could 459 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: definitely see Mark checking out. All right, Mark, speaking of you, 460 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: what is your big mystery? I had to go Sam 461 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: Bradford because I understand that there's a you know, there's 462 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: a void all off season long where we need to 463 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: take a guy like Sam Bradford w hasn't played a 464 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: meaningful snap since October two thirteen, and project him as 465 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: some sort of all star, high flying quarterback for an 466 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: Eagles team just because Chip Kelly's coach, it is a 467 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: good fit. But I went back and I was right 468 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: trying to think, oh yeah, give me an example of 469 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: one time when Sam Bradford willed that Rams team to 470 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: victory where you thought, you know what, hey, this guy's 471 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: got a little bit of that Brett Farven him. And 472 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: you know what I came up with was a tie 473 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: with the Niners. Only game I could remember when he's 474 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: a rookie and he kept them in the mix a 475 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: long time ago. But now he is reunited as he 476 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: was with a rookie with Pat Shermer. West, Well, that's 477 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: not what has me expected. Pat Sherman. The worst I 478 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: felt yesterday was when poor Mark Ortega, one of our editors, 479 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: came over to question Mark and I about our kind 480 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: of not being high on Sam Bradford, and he walked 481 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: away basically with his tail between his legs because I 482 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: told him that Sam Bradford basically had devolved to the 483 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: point where he was checking down on every single pass 484 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: with the Rams. Sam Bradford at his best has never 485 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: been that great. Like if you go back to your 486 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: point and look at his most effective games, if you 487 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: really drive down. I remember when I studied him for 488 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: one longer piece that it was these games where the 489 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: Rams just rolled and he would be like eighteen for 490 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: twenty one and they won by thirty five points and 491 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: the game was over early. There's not a lot of 492 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: games where it's like, we gotta put it in Sam 493 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: Bradford's hands, make a comeback, or it's a shootout with 494 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: the Ram and let's not bury the lead, like come 495 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: give me the the other question to quarter a quarterback 496 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: to come out two major knee surgeries, it's ever been 497 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: productive after that? I can't think of one. I don't 498 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: There might have been one, but too back to back 499 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: a main how many quarterbacks have ever had back to 500 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: back ace heel tires. That's why they haven't come back. 501 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: It's just not a it's not a great club to 502 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: be in. It's not Wow, this is what you're shooting 503 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: your pro career. That doesn't worry me nearly as much 504 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: as his game tape worries me. I think guys can 505 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: come back from injury. I'm surprised. Ian reported this week 506 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: NFL media insider Ian Rappaport that that Bradford is comfortable 507 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: going into the final year of his contract. He doesn't 508 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: want to sign a long term deal now. He wants 509 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: to let it right. And I'm thinking, why is it? 510 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: Why are the Eagles offering him a long term contract 511 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: right now? Like, doesn't that seem crazy? Here's why I 512 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: think it's gonna work because he had devolved. He got 513 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: hit so much early in his career that he was 514 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: looking to throw the ball as soon as he got 515 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: back there. And I think that that play action that 516 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly runs and that's gonna be great for him. 517 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna give him huge windows to throw too. It's 518 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: gonna take the pass run heat off of him, and 519 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna have the best year of his He still 520 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: needs to be able to move, though, and I haven't 521 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: We haven't seen that, And we don't know how much 522 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: we'll play in the preseason. Well, I mean, Nick Foles 523 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: isn't the most mobile guy in the world. Wrap that's 524 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: what we call him now, mystery rap sheet. Occasionally in 525 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: a lot of different things you can do. I'm gonna 526 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: piggyback off something that Kevin Patra wrote our Chicago Correspondent 527 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: with a sick body. The whole thing is a it's 528 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: a great package but he wrote about Jadavid Clowney, of course, 529 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 1: the number one overall pick last year, struck down by 530 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: micro fracture surgery in the in the off season after 531 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: playing just four games. Now, this could be trophy and 532 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, very off season e but the team physicians 533 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: said he looks spectacular, and uh, if if that's true, 534 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and if that's true, look out, because let's look at 535 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: that division. You know, everybody's excited about the Colts. I 536 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: get that they'll probably win eleven games, not not a 537 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: lot of great teams. Otherwise, if Watton Clowney come together, 538 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: and we've been talking about this for two years almost, uh, 539 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: and they score enough points, this team is gonna be 540 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: in the playoff hunt. I would not be surprised at 541 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: all if they are. We talked about the best pass 542 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: rushing tandems in the NFL on one of our recent podcasts. 543 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: I forgot your Devin Clowney existed. But it's because he 544 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: hasn't done anything. If he's healthy, that they could be 545 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: the best pass rushing due in the NFL. Yeah, we 546 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: said J. J. Watt and anyone, and if that anyone 547 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: is Clowney. This guy when he came into the league 548 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: was being talked about. It was like an evolutionary Lawrence Taylor. 549 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: This guy was hyped up more than guys have been 550 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: in decades. Ridiculous that was Perhaps it is, But let's 551 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: just say, like Greg said, he comes back and he's 552 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: eighty percent of the player he was, and that's still 553 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: good enough to be a guy. It's like a twelve 554 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: fifteen sack guy with J. J. Watt, who is one 555 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: of the best players ever. That's pretty scared. I still 556 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: think we need to see post surgery and post multiple 557 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: health issues what he is because anyone it is, but 558 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: eighty percent of anyone is not going to work in 559 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: the NFL A lot of times. On top of it, though, 560 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: his numbers has a chance to be inflated over the 561 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: years because you're you've got what commanding so much attention. 562 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: There were a couple of plays with Clowney last year 563 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: where you watched and you just said, oh, like, this 564 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: guy has got it. At the same time, when he 565 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: was hampered with injuries, he graded negatively in three or 566 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: four games in the past. He barely played, I mean, 567 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: and those oh my plays were just him playing twenty 568 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: five snaps the game in the preseason and for three 569 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: of those snaps, which which is a lot out of 570 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: twenty five. He just did something where he looked like 571 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: he could throw any of those players across the screen, 572 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: and you usually you know, see that in the NFL, 573 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: I haven't. Is that a skill across the screen. It's 574 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: like a video game move? Is that one of the 575 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: categories in Pro Football Focus a special stats called the 576 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: clown tire throw. It's like caber tossing, I think with clowney. 577 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: It's just our expectations have been lowered so much, and 578 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: rightfully so. But that's why this is Kevin patro he 579 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: the amazing body, great great mystery because he could be amazing. Well, 580 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: the mystery is why you always talk about Kevin Patrick's bodies. 581 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: It's almost not that great. It's revealing quite a bit. 582 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: It's great, it's fine. He looks like like a taller 583 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: Greg's I mean, that's that's you know, that's a little 584 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: too far. That's weird. Greg. Let's move on you a 585 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a buzz kill compatro film up on here. 586 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: When we're talking so much Pat like Instagram pictures of 587 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Patrick and just kind of let's work on that for 588 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: the future. Tv uh. Greg you want to talk a 589 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: little suspension? Guys, why is that? Why is that a downer? 590 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's sad when guys can't play. It's it's 591 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: part of the world we live in, and all we 592 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: all I hear about when I show up to work 593 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: every day is oh, is the Brady news happening today? 594 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: It's like this anvil hanging over the what's going on 595 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: my expense report? Get that tired network? Everyone forgot about 596 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: a couple of suspensions hanging out there. Levy on Bell, Oh, 597 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: by the way, the best running back in the league 598 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: last season, he was supposedly suspension. It was never announced 599 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: by the league. The report is that he's facing a 600 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: three game suspension. Ian Rappaport reported the appeal was this week. Finally. 601 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what the delay was, but I want 602 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: to find out when is he gonna play. It's a 603 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: big question. It's a big question for fantasy owners too. 604 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: Isn't that that's maybe your number one pick if he's 605 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 1: playing all season? Well, I would take Adrian Peterson number one. 606 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: But a lot of smart people are saying take Levy 607 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: on Bell even with the suspension. If you tell me, 608 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: I would take Peterson number one. But if you told 609 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: me Bell isn't suspended at all, which would be or 610 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: even maybe one game, then I think Bell is the top. 611 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable and I would take them no matter it's 612 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: suspension or not because it's a long fantasy season. But secondly, 613 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: real football, like the Steelers in the Baltimore playoff game 614 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: were absolutely a shell of what they were offensively with 615 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: all the weapons they have. If you have to take 616 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: Levion Bell out of the lineup, that is week preseason, 617 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: week five, that opener, no Brady and no Levan Bell. 618 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: One of the craziest things that happened in the NFL 619 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: last season was the Steelers signing bent Tad off the 620 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: street and starting him in a playoff game. Well, well 621 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: that's they had no depth for a team that usually 622 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: plans Well, they had nothing on that rosters. But it's 623 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: like the Packers quarterbacks. Is de Angelo Williams in two 624 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen, who they signed in free agency, necessarily 625 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: gonna be that much better of an option. I don't. 626 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: It's an open that's a mystery to me too. They 627 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: had their last year. It's better than Ben Tate, who's 628 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: washed out of multiple locker rooms. Yes, plots of reference. 629 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: I I am combining my mysteries. By the way, there's 630 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: a couple other ones. You guys, remember there was a fella, 631 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: to use the damage parlance. There a fellow by the 632 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: name of Daryl Washington. He was once thought of as 633 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: maybe the among the most dynamic inside linebackers in all 634 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: of football, a huge difference making players. Suspended four games 635 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, suspended all of last season. He's 636 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: still suspended. His suspension is indefinite. Where is Darrell Washington? 637 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 1: He could be a big factor for a good car. 638 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: You have really gone next level, Angela Landsbury, honest here, Uh, 639 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: they got what Sean Weatherspoon, Kevin mintor you thought Washington 640 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: would be back? You don't see guys outside of Justin 641 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: Blackman vanished for years on end. Well, part of the 642 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: problem is he was suspended for a year at least, 643 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: and it was indefinite, but it was a minimum year, 644 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: and that was actually before he had an assault arrest. 645 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're tacking that on now 646 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: to it seems sensible to tack it on, or is 647 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: he gonna come back and then you tack it on. 648 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: Who knows? Is it. Can you do anything bad you 649 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: want during that? Yeah, don't know. I think it, get 650 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: it gets tacked on. Here's the move, here's the move. 651 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: If you are an NFL player and you're an indefinite suspension, 652 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: don't do something else. Sure, stay out of the headlines. Please. 653 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: Guess everyone's just gonna go like, oh, forget you. We're 654 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: going to forget about you, and everybody else will too. 655 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: This is a big story. I like this. This guy 656 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: was their best defensive player two years ago and the 657 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: fastest linebacker in football. He was getting as an inside linebacker. 658 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: If he comes back in November and Cardinals are vying 659 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: for the playoffs, that could be a huge shot in 660 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: the arm. And that's probably their best case scenario. And 661 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it'll happen and they'll be on the 662 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: old team of around the NFL. You know, I like 663 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: those guys with a little bit of trouble. I'm feeling 664 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I just realized what a huge missed opportunity. 665 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: Did not include the unsolved mysteries theme. Well, we tried 666 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: to get part of Robert's stack at the top of 667 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: the piece. Well, if we had a forward thinking producer, 668 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: you could have just own it in there for us 669 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: without a Stephen telling us, well, you have a very 670 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: busy produce of said forward thinking it's too busy to complain. 671 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: Being busy really is not usually excuse in the work 672 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: world for you know, not performing. But you know T 673 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: and TV stayed longer than six minutes. Yeah, you know 674 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: TD is busy when he stays the whole show and 675 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: he hasn't even given us any TV reviews yet. I 676 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: really missed this fall is still terrible, by the way. Alright, 677 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: moving on, alright, So the Pain rankings they concluded on 678 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Thursday with the reveal that, yes, Mark the Cleveland Browns, 679 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: in my estimation that's just one man's list, are the 680 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: most pain franchise, just both from the organization and the 681 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: fans standpoint. In the history of the NFL, this is 682 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: more leaning in West get into it. My list has 683 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: been more leaning post Murger or Super Bowl era. Uh, 684 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: to be more specific, and uh from that standpoint, I 685 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: don't think anybody touches the Browns. But here's the we'll start, 686 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: but here's the full list. Here we go. The Kansas 687 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: City Chiefs are at seven West, your Bengals are at six. 688 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: The Bengals, the Vikings at five, the Lines at four, 689 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: the Bills at three, uh, the Jets at two, which 690 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: I call a lot of heat for on Twitter, and 691 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: the Browns of course at one. So uh, yes, those 692 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: are the pain ranking. I want to hear just some 693 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: general before we kind of get into NFL dot com 694 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: slash pain rankings. My first vanity r L and that is, yes, 695 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me. 696 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: I want to get some overall thoughts from you after 697 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: doing this exercise, before we kind of died into the 698 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: specific teams. Well, I learned a lot. I did a 699 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: lot of research on these teams, and some of them, 700 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: like writing about the Jets, I didn't necessarily have to 701 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: do a lot of research, but there were still, you know, 702 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: digging around reading old stories and stuff for some of 703 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: these teams, and West's team the Bengals is a great example. Uh. 704 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: You learn more about what was going on behind the scenes, 705 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: and you know some not Some losses are iconic and 706 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: everyone knows about it no or what team you root for, 707 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: but other if you dig through these other teams, you'll 708 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: find losses like wow, that why is this not talked about? 709 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: As much, and you have that for all of these teams. 710 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: Uh So that's and then coming up with the order 711 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: was the hardest part because really, and I wrote this 712 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: in the Browns piece that ran today, is that you know, 713 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: the Browns I always knew were one. And I think 714 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a lot of pushback except for 715 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: the crazy people in the common section that that right, 716 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: things like oh, I can't believe the Niners aren't here. 717 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: Did you see the offseason they just had and said, 718 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: wait are you? Are you? You're on drugs. You're a 719 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: drug addict and you need help. Like there are teams 720 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: that should have no business being near this list, but 721 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: people think that because they had a couple of rough years. 722 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: These are teams that I've had decades of struggle, and 723 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: that's what the pain rankings is about. Well, let's talk 724 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: about the elephant in the room. Okay, the New York 725 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: Football Jets. Yes they don't call him that, by the way. No, No, 726 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: just you the number two ranking. You weren't here, but 727 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: your ears might have been buzzing on the beach because 728 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: we're not thinking about this office app we're talking hands 729 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: and were You know, I think there's a there's some 730 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 1: feeling that as a Jets fan, a lot of people 731 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: overrate their own pain as a fan. That's how this 732 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: whole series really came about, is a lot of argument 733 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: who experienced those pains. You might be overrating the Jets 734 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: pain compared to other teams. That the Jets overall have 735 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: had a lot of pretty good seasons. They've gotten close 736 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: sometimes they do have that Super Bowl. I know it's 737 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: a long time ago, but accounts for something, and that 738 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: compared to some of these other teams on the list, 739 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, ranked a little too high. I respectfully disagree. 740 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: I made the list so I can do whatever I want. 741 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: Of course you can. The lists are made to be yes, 742 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: like I was saying, the Browns are number one, you 743 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: really could almost make a case for every team, uh 744 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: that I have here. Okay, whatever, But my point is 745 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: that it is obviously arbitrary. But you know, I think 746 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: that the reason I had the Jets of too is because, yes, 747 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: if you want to count the Super Bowl, which you should, 748 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: go ahead, But I'm also thinking about the pain rings 749 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: not just about how many titles you've won. In my opinions, 750 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: this this has been about, uh, the type of games 751 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: that you've lost, how far you've gone, the heartbreak involved 752 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: with that, Uh, just the just the dearth of championship success. 753 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: And the Jets have had none of it, no trips 754 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl since Joe Namath. And then you 755 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: get in there that there the team that has their 756 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: famous for just just horrible things happening to them them 757 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: make them a laughing stock, whether it's the butt fumble 758 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: or tebow Mania, or drafting Ken O'Brien instead of Dan Marino, 759 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: the fake spike game. Uh. And you know, if you're 760 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: a real big fan of the team, you know any 761 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: testiverity blowing out as Achilles. Uh you know about uh 762 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: the a f C Championship in two thousand and ten 763 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: where they needed to stop in Antonio Brown made the catch. 764 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I'm closer to it because the Jets. 765 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: But I could have wrote five more things about the Jets. 766 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: I could have wrote about, you know, Brett Farve, I 767 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: could have wrote about the C Championship game when they 768 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: had attend nothing wins. Every team could come up with 769 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I would say one, first of all, Dan, 770 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: didn't you should read this whole entire thing from seven 771 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: to one. Great job you can do what you want. 772 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: With the Jets. It's your list. People can argue till 773 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: the sun comes down. They have a more dramatic up 774 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: and down history than some of these other teams. But 775 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: how about the Lions haven't won a title since I 776 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: think Eisenhower was in office. It's been an absolute landscape 777 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: of terrible fandom. But not with the Peaks and Valleys 778 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: May Yeah, and that to me, that to me is 779 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: worse though they the Jets have made the playoffs three 780 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: I think you could probably they made the playoffs triple 781 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: the amount of times just since two thousand than the 782 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: Lions have made it period. In this Super Bowl area, 783 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: They've have they play out, They've made the playoffs twice. 784 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's outrageous in such a long stretch that 785 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: that they have. It's all about the point of view, right, 786 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: It's is it worse to always be bad? Or is 787 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: it worse to be usually bad? And then whenever you're good, 788 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: you're never good enough? He gets smacked down. There's two 789 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: ways to look at So who's too low on this list? West? 790 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I would make the argument they have had 791 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: more pain than any franchise, and the Browns would be 792 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: the only franchise I would accept as being well, let's 793 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: we got into it down thinking and feel awkward. It 794 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: got very awkward. Look Dan, this was a painstaking process. 795 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: You can I printed out all these lists, read him 796 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: last night. You can see the work that Dan put 797 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: into it. If he ever has a portfolio, this belongs 798 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: at the top. And he had at least a dozen 799 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: twists of phrase that I was jealous that I had not. 800 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: The writing is spectacular, that said his idea of pain. 801 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: I want to just like hand him us a lollipop 802 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: and say, pat him on the head and say, oh 803 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: that's cute. Oh, you almost made it to the super Bowl. 804 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: You lost your quarterback. Oh that game was close and 805 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 1: a kicker missed the field. Go give me a break. 806 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: That's not even that painful. Try a twelve year period 807 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,959 Speaker 1: where five seasons started Owen six. Five out of twelve 808 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: years started Owen six. No winning seasons in there. Your 809 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: owner have one full time scout. In the nineteen nineties, 810 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: during the big business era, five of the top six 811 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: positions in the front office are filled by that family. 812 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: There's no light at the end of the tunnel. It's 813 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: never going to change. He keeps lafting guys like David 814 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: Klingler and Achille Smith. He he does stuff like not 815 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: take Mike dick as whole draft and two more first 816 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: round picks in the next in the second round pick 817 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: for Achiey Smith. He does all this and there's never 818 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,439 Speaker 1: ever going to be any change. But you're just gonna 819 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: keep losing forever. Here's the point. You are too close 820 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: to the team, just like I'm too close to the Jets. 821 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: So you see things that mean more to you than 822 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: no franchise in any sport ever went through a twelve 823 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: year period like that. Well that's just twelve years and 824 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: it was bad, but that's that's true pain. That's a 825 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: leave a hole in your heart after the war has done, 826 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: you have to rebuild the whole city. Pain. That's not 827 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: a oh they have, But here's the thing they've They've 828 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: come out of it to uh a different sort of 829 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: pain that that is really closer to the Jets kind 830 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: of pain, which is they are somehow good and yet 831 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: there's still the biggest laughing stock to some people because 832 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: of Andy Jackson even mentioned we're a laughing stock because 833 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: they know that nobody they can't get past the first 834 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: round what else? Who else has equippal with the list? Well? No, 835 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: And I think we talked about the Jets. I I 836 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: think they're too high from if you really really want 837 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: to measure all the stuff. But the Lions two and 838 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: the Bengals three. The Lions and Bengals would be two 839 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: and three, then I would go Jets. It's not I 840 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: I because I look at a team like the Bills, 841 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: and I see why they're Bills. Fans are passionately saying 842 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: we should be two or even one. But my argument 843 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: would be you you got to the mountaintop and get 844 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: swatted off four times in a row, and that is 845 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: painful having that Sunday every January where you are humiliated 846 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: on national TV. But four for four years, you were 847 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: a dominant, fun team to watch in the NFC. And 848 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: what West just described that period in the Bengals and 849 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: the Browns have had similar periods. You would trade the 850 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: embarrassment in the nonsense of not even competing Sunday to 851 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: Sunday with four years. And that's what I would say. 852 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: That's why I think the Lions should be too ultimately 853 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: because I think they've never had any light and to 854 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: me as a fan, that is worse, and I've I've 855 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: experienced both different sports. Whatever, I I think it's worse 856 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: that they've never had anything good and that there's no light, 857 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: even though it's a different sort of terrible pain to 858 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: lose big games. Uh, Greg, I'll give you the floor 859 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: for this because I know, Yeah, you gave me some 860 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: heat um about what were you gonna say. I was 861 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna see you up for who's not even here deserves 862 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: to be here? Well, I had a big if if 863 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I understand why the Cardinals were left off 864 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: because they've moved around different cities, but if you're just 865 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: talking about the organization, the Cardinals have to be in 866 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: the top five. Yeah, they've got a lot of the same. 867 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: They're the most well be gone franchise in the history 868 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,919 Speaker 1: of the NFL. I think so. And it's tricky because 869 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,399 Speaker 1: it's been in a ton of different cities, Chicago and St. 870 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: Louis and now Arizona. You've got the ownership problem, you've 871 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: got the just dreary, no winning problem, more than maybe 872 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: any team in franchise in in in the NFL, and 873 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: then now even in this later era where they've had 874 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: some better moments, you had you had a pretty tough 875 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, so they would be there, and then I 876 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: think the Chargers got overlooked. No one wants to talk 877 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: about the Charges because they don't have a lot of 878 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: notable fans. But they've had a really tough run. I mean, 879 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: the highlight of their entire run. They had a nice 880 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the seventies, but a lot of tough losses there. 881 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: They've had tough losses with Marty Schottenheimer. They made one 882 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and they got blown out. I mean, they've 883 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: it's been a tough if if it makes you feel better, 884 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have seen me working on any other 885 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: project until Christmas. If this was a top ten, Cardinals 886 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: and Chargers would be in some order, and then I'd 887 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: probably put the Eagles at ten. I wouldn't have the 888 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: Vikings in my top ten. They're the team I think 889 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: is too high. As you said in your piece, they've 890 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: got more Playoff appearances than anybody with the Cowboys and 891 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 1: the Steelers. I mean, they've had nothing but good luck. 892 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: I think, well, I think to me, well, to me 893 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: like the season that their fans got to enjoy. It 894 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: was more fun than the last twenty five years of 895 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: the Bengals to You're a different fan, You're different. I 896 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: think the absence of hope is way more painful than 897 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: anything like like Gary Anderson missing the field. How would 898 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: you know? How would I know? Because I saw Tim 899 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: crum ride break his leg in the Super Bowl. I 900 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: know that kind of pain. It doesn't compare to an 901 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: absence of hope. I think those are different scenarios. But 902 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: I I I see your point for sure. You know 903 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: it's a great series. I mean really well written and 904 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: great idea and executed. But also just even the rankings 905 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: because I think Vikings fans saw this and said, oh, 906 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: you're crazy. They should be higher. Every that was every 907 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,959 Speaker 1: every single every team I wrote. I got heat saying 908 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: they were the Vikings. The Vikings are one of the 909 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: most successful franchises in the past forty years. What are 910 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: they talking about? What's painful? We're grown men who watch 911 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: other higher paid men just prance around in uniforms. Ah, 912 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: how about we go do something with our own that's 913 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: a metaphysical pain that we may never solve. All right, 914 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: that's it. Excellent work, Dan, Oh, thanks, job medication maybe 915 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,439 Speaker 1: could solve that for you. How about a raise or something? 916 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: Greg mak me at the dinner, buy me some booze. 917 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: That would be huge for just you, just just you, Okay, Yeah, 918 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,479 Speaker 1: And he's like, I was thinking team wide, like something 919 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: that would unify us versus completely tearing us the structure 920 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: and the fabric of the team. You say that you've 921 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: won an MVP trophy offense. I'm just saying, what did that? 922 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: Now it's time for Greg to give me a nice 923 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: little pat on the head and say, there you go, buddy, 924 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: here something I wouldn't want to ruin the hair. That's 925 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: the second person in the last ten minutes he wants 926 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: to pat you on the head. I know it's true. Alright, 927 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: So we will be back next week with three shows. Right, 928 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: we're locked in low shows. All right, we'll be We'll 929 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: be back in Dan, you know the deal? What you 930 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: know the deal? You've going for so long? What I 931 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: forgot what we're doing here? Department completely disrupt the flow 932 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: of the show and yeah and podcast alright, alright, last 933 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: time it was flu game for Chris West. This time 934 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: is the double nickel. This is Dan coming back to 935 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: the Guardian. We're in there four or five and putting up, 936 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: putting up a big game. I remember that, so Dan, 937 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 1: thank you very much. And that was against the Knicks, 938 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: of course, and he he won the game on an 939 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: assist to Bill Wennington with a slam. That segment has 940 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: got to go. Mark overlooked again. I just wait, did 941 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: Mark win while I was gone? Future? Mark did not 942 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter though not on the show, low level tweet, 943 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: but I appreciate it quite a bit. It was a 944 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: nice gesture to some degree. It wasn't you. That old 945 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: tension is still here. It's good to see things haven't changed, 946 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: all right. So we'll be back next week with three shows. 947 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Uh, this is Dan Hansas, signy 948 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: huff for the Pressure's on Right now there is the Sizzler, 949 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: the Maleman, the Boss, and TV behind the Glass. Now 950 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: next like