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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two and

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Speaker 1: fifty one, and today on the show, we are recapping

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Speaker 1: my two thousand eighteen Michigan rut hunts and then we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Michael Hunt, Sucker and Skyler Worsake of Hartland

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Speaker 1: bow Hunter to chat through their rut success and lessons learned.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Onyx and today to we kind of

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Speaker 1: have like a two part podcast because we have our

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Speaker 1: usual intro that me and Dan like to do, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna be a longer intro than

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Speaker 1: usual because we got a lot to share. Um, we

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Speaker 1: haven't talked about my hunts at all for the past

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Speaker 1: time there and catch up a little bit with some

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Speaker 1: stuff going on with Dan. But then we also do

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Speaker 1: have guests on the show too, So Part one is

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Speaker 1: Dan and Mark bs Extended version. Part two, we are

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Speaker 1: joined by Michael Hunt, Sucker and Skyler Worzig from Heartland

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Speaker 1: bow Hunter, and we're gonna talk about their recent rut

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Speaker 1: hunting success, a couple amazing hunts they had, and kind

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Speaker 1: of use those two stories to dive into their rut

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Speaker 1: hunting tactics, some of the things they've learned, some of

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Speaker 1: the things they recommend that we try as well as

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Speaker 1: we continue on through the month of November and uh

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Speaker 1: and the second half of the white tail ruts. So

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Speaker 1: that is what we have in store. Um but Dan,

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Speaker 1: part one, Part one is you and me. And the

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Speaker 1: first thing I gotta know is are you still kind

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Speaker 1: of soaking and basking in the glory of having filled

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Speaker 1: Riowa tag? Are you on that high still? Are you

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Speaker 1: back down to earth? Um? Well, it's kind of funny,

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Speaker 1: right because tonight I got brought back down to earth

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Speaker 1: hard right I was and here. So if you're the

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Speaker 1: kind of person who hates uh hear the stories of

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Speaker 1: my my life and my kids, you might as well

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Speaker 1: just like fast forward a little bit. I was sitting

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Speaker 1: he can't get he can't get out. He's like eighteen

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Speaker 1: any buddy out there who has kids whose kids have

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Speaker 1: pooped to the bathtub, you know, like you know that

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Speaker 1: it sucks cleaning up poop out of a bathroom because

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Speaker 1: because there's two ways to do it right. One there's

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Speaker 1: I just go raw dog, pick it up, throwing the toilet,

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Speaker 1: it's coming, Bud, It's coming. That's crazy, But I tell you,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though. Man Uh, I've been staring,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily at the rack itself, but I've been staring

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Speaker 1: and I'm just visualizing what he's gonna look like. That

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Speaker 1: to look up at that and and remember that moment. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So where is it's gonna be in your office? Or

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Speaker 1: be your man case? No way, dude, I got the

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Speaker 1: What have you been doing right? Nothing? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it was like two thousand and fifteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me and him found a matching set in a cornfield

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Speaker 1: year old. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's so. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: I love shed hunting. Yeah, I'm right there with it.

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Speaker 1: I was already. I can't remember what I was doing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I shot my dear. I shot my deer

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Speaker 1: So I love watching the rut unfold. And it's just

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. This is why you need to start hunting

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Speaker 1: definitely want to start hearing the story about your your rut.

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Speaker 1: But Okay, So there's been reports, you know how I

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Speaker 1: personally had any of that on my farms that I hunt,

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Speaker 1: like I've I've never gone out and found a ton

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Speaker 1: But let's hear about you, because I know that you're

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Speaker 1: two days out of the last twenty four I've been hunting,

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Speaker 1: I I don't know, man, there have been some front

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Speaker 1: very exciting moments with a very frustrating moments. So I

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Speaker 1: plan had been to start hunting on Halloween for Holy Field.

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Speaker 1: So get back from Nebraska. Decided to start hunting a

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Speaker 1: Didn't see much Young Bucker two. Um, there's these two

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Speaker 1: bucks that I have been talking about in the past, Um, Survivor.

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Speaker 1: He's this deer that I thought was a three year

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Speaker 1: And then there's this other buck um who I've started

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Speaker 1: Uh So, coming in you know this time frame, I'm

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Speaker 1: me think about this. I've had them like right on

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Speaker 1: But other than those two deer and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: So I was coming into this rut thinking, man, if

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Speaker 1: There might not be a single deer I'm interested in hunting.

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Speaker 1: So I go to these meetings in Montana, and as

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Speaker 1: Halloween November one, a shooter buck shows up. I finally

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Speaker 1: I know. This is a buck that in two thousand sixteen,

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Speaker 1: He was a three and a half year old, nice

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Speaker 1: ten pointer. In the following spring, I found his shed.

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Speaker 1: This was that year I was looking for holy fields,

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Speaker 1: in spring of seventeen. And then in last December, this

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Speaker 1: One day in late December, ME and further are hunting

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Speaker 1: So then this spring I went over to that property

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Speaker 1: scoured at trying to find this deer's antlers couldn't find

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Speaker 1: I saw him once during the London season last year once,

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Speaker 1: But now here he is on October thirty one. In

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Speaker 1: November one, my wife decided to call this buck Frankenstein

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Speaker 1: I'm calling Frank. Call him Frank, Big Frank for short,

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Speaker 1: give his full name. Uh So, Halloween he's seen, November one,

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Speaker 1: I get home at like, God, what time is it,

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Speaker 1: Still don't have pictures of Holy Field those segings of

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Speaker 1: so don't ever count them out until you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: November three, I'm hunting back in one of the main

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Speaker 1: So long story this is, I'm watching follow the dough.

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Speaker 1: Definitely the only time I've seen him mature buck like

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Speaker 1: that dough transitions back through here, maybe if she'll stop

429
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: in the food plot in her way back to the

430
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: bedding cover. So with the wind direction I had, I

431
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: had to take a really big, long roundabout way around

432
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: the whole north side of the property and sneaking from behind,

433
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: crossed the creek and then to get up into this

434
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: bail blind. And while crossing the creek, it was it

435
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: been raining in the past. I don't know if if

436
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: when was this. I guess this is November four or something.

437
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: Been raining a lot in the days before. So the

438
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: creek was really high. I wore hip hip waiters in

439
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: and it still went over my boot. It kind of

440
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: slipped and it filled my boot so soaked my socks

441
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: and leg. Before the hunt, so I get into the

442
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: bail blund. Yeah, it wasn't a good start getting the

443
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: bail blund. I'm wet. I just take off my ak,

444
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: I take off my boot. It's a disaster. But I

445
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: still feel like he might be up in the sticket.

446
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: If he's up in the stick, and he might come by.

447
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: And I was really excited about that. So I can't

448
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: remember half an hour hour after daylight something like that. Um,

449
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: I see this dough in the tall brushy thicket stuff

450
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: working our way back towards the cover, back towards me,

451
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: and I'm just watching behind or watching behind or watching behind,

452
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: and then bam, there he is. They're back in there again.

453
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: So they start coming down. But I see that they

454
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: instead of coming back on the north side, which is

455
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: where I was, now, they they're coming back on the

456
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: south side, which is where I was the night before. Now,

457
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: the wind that I had is what made me think

458
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: I should go to the north side and stead of

459
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: sitting in the sand spot I was act So I

460
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: kept having to make these adjustments because of the changing

461
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: wind directions. I wanted to be in this little area

462
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: but just make sure I wasn't gonna get winded. So unfortunately,

463
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: he switched sides on me. And while this is happening,

464
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm watching the dough and watching the He's maybe a

465
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards way now, just they're taking their sweet time,

466
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of just slowly. She's kind of feeding on maple

467
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: leaves and stuff. He's just standing behind her, occasionally rubbing

468
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: on a tree and stuff. Um. At this point, I'm

469
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: going to share a story, Dan, that that you will

470
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: never hear Marjuri share. You will never hear John Eberhart

471
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: share a story like this. You will never hear Don

472
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: Kisski or Steve Ronnella or anyone respectable in the hunting world.

473
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: They will not share this story. I'm gonna I'm gonna

474
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: share this story because I know that people need laughter

475
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: in their lives, and I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna

476
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: ask you all to reserve judgment. Don't don't judge me.

477
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: Fast forward if you want to, if you want to

478
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: continue thinking of me as a respectable adult. Um, because

479
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: what happened in the next moment is the most catastrophic

480
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: moment of my entire hunting career. Dan, Okay, I'm watching

481
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: this big mature buck following a dole kind of slowly

482
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: making their way towards me, but not quite. And I

483
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: have the most devastating rumbling stomach, like bad, and are

484
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: you in the You're in the blind. I'm in the blind. Okay, good,

485
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: I'm in the blind. And I have a bad situation

486
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: coming together. And I know this, and I'm thinking like, Okay,

487
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: hold together, you are not gonna have an emergency while

488
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: this buck is coming towards you. Hold together, Hold together,

489
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: Hold together. And my body keeps telling me Mark, this

490
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: is happening, This is happening, this is happening. And I

491
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: keep on trying to think. I'm like, I mean, this

492
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: is full blown, like contorting my body in any way

493
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I possibly can to try to maintain control of what's happening.

494
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: But eventually I realized I have lost control of the situation.

495
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: This is an hour never moment you. This is fight

496
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: or flight, adrenalinism pumping. Every part of my body is

497
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: on edge. I'm trying to figure out how do I

498
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: handle this situation without scaring away this deer that's walking

499
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: near you. So, in a moment of pure panic and sheer,

500
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I found my hands off. I dug

501
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: a hole in the bottom of the blind with my

502
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: hands while tearing off my jacket. I ripped off my

503
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: bibs so fast that I broke the buckle of the bibbs,

504
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: and I was in a backwards crab position over a

505
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: hole inside of my bail behind while watching the mature

506
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: buck out the window and dealing with my situation in

507
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: what I now call the poop blind. Yes, yes, I'm glad.

508
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did that. I know because I would

509
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: have got mad at you if you went outside and

510
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: spooked the deer. Oh no, I would have done the

511
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: exact same thing, Mark, So no hate, no judgment. But yeah, man,

512
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: you got you can't spook the deer. I mean, I'm

513
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: notorious for sky dumping, so it's not like I'm gonna

514
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: like judge a guy who poops in in his own blind. Yeah. Man,

515
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: we're now, We're now two peas in a pod. That's right.

516
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: So I took care of my business. I buried that stuff,

517
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: put my chair back over top of it. I'm hunting again.

518
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: So you have to cut a sleeve off the shirt?

519
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, fortunately have. I always keep TP in my

520
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: backpack just in case the situation like this arises. But

521
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: I was down. I wasn't down one bib buckle because

522
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: of it. Um. And then I'm just thinking, oh my gosh,

523
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: I sure hope nothing comes down winto me, because even

524
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: though it's buried, you know, I just didn't know what

525
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: the situation was going to be. And like, did I

526
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: just burn out this blind for the rest of the season.

527
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: I just didn't know. And I'm texted. I text my

528
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: buddies afterwards, and they're just dying. And but I kept

529
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: eyes on the buck. I kept eyes on the buck

530
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: the whole time. He didn't spook, he didn't hear anything,

531
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: and didn't smell anything. Um. I kept all the movement

532
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: below the windows. So it was really about as stealthy

533
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: and as on point with white Tail best practices as

534
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: you can get when you have to make an emergency

535
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: in the blind movement. UM. So I handled that situation.

536
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: But unfortunately the dough led him away from me, kind

537
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: of went near the trio's hunting in the night before,

538
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: so that gave me a hernia um seeing him go

539
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: so close to where I was at again. Um, but

540
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: passes passes through heads into the east. And now I'm like, Okay,

541
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave the poop blind because I don't necessarily

542
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: like the idea of being in that any longer than

543
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: I have to be, and he went. They transitioned into

544
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: the bedding on the south side. So I now have

545
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: this wind direction that does allow me to hunt the

546
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: bail blind, which I hunt in the morning, or could

547
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: go to the tree which is in the middle of

548
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: the system, which allows shots to the north and the south.

549
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: So my thought process was, all right, I'm gonna I'm

550
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna leave the poop blind. I'm gonna move to the

551
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: middle tree stand for the evening because that gives me

552
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: shots to the north and south. And based off where

553
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: this dough took him, there's a chance, here's a I

554
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: thought a better chance that he might be on the

555
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: south side of the bedding versus the north um. So

556
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: I'd like to have the options there and the wind

557
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: would allow it. So move to that stand, gets set up,

558
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I see some does some young bucks, blah blah. The

559
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: evening progresses, it gets towards last light. I still hadn't

560
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: seen Frank or the dough yet. But last light I

561
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: see this dough pop out right along the creek, and

562
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: right behind the dough is Frank and they go walking

563
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: right by the stupid poop blind, and I can't shoot him.

564
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: He goes on the north side of the poop blind

565
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: this time goes directly down wind of the poop blind

566
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: and never flinches, never stops, never bothered by it at all.

567
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: So I thought to myself, Man, I I keep my

568
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: scent control program even in effect when going number two

569
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: in the blind. So it's proud of myself for that, um.

570
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: But that was frustrating to see him walk right by

571
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: where I was hunting the morning before that morning, So

572
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: I now I had seen him the night before, I

573
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: saw him the morning, and I saw him in that evening.

574
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: So I looked back then that that night, I get

575
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: back to the house, I'm thinking through what am I

576
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna tomorrow? What's the wind doing? What do I do?

577
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: And I kept on thinking about every almost every morning

578
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: though past like five days. He had been sighted in

579
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: this thicket up at the front. He'd had a dough.

580
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: And now it's been like five days since he was

581
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: first seen, and he'd been in this area like four

582
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: of the last five days. And I didn't think he'd

583
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: be with the same dough, but he kept on being

584
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: in this one spot in the morning. So I thought

585
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: I need to try to get tighter to that spot.

586
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna operate off the assumption that he's

587
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: back in there again. And if he's back in there again,

588
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: three out of the four times he was there, he

589
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: transitioned back to the member. This thin little strip of timber.

590
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: He transitioned back through that like he did that morning.

591
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I just described, so I sorry, I'm gonna do a

592
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: hanging hunt. I'm gonna get in there like an hour

593
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: and a half before daylight, hang a new set tight

594
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: to the thicket. But because of the wind, again, I

595
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: couldn't go straight to it from the road because that

596
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: would walk right past where I think he is with

597
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: the dough. So I went to the far south side

598
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: of the property, went way down the road to a

599
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: different access point of this property, way in the south,

600
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: walked the far southern border now in a big circle

601
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: to circle around down wind and out, and about came

602
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: in from behind, snuck in from the back side. Now

603
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: slipped in there, hung a new set, got into my saddle,

604
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, man, I'm I'm in it. I'm in

605
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: this area. If he's here, he's gonna come by me

606
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: with her. If he's at the dough. So first light arrives,

607
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited. I feel like I'm in the right spot.

608
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: And I look up in like seventy five yards away,

609
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: there's a tree just getting shook, and here is this

610
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: son of a gun buck in there again, and he

611
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: starts walking right towards him. He's like eighty yards and

612
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: he's a seventy five yards, he's a seventy yards, and

613
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy smokes, this is I actually did it.

614
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull off this running guns set more, you know,

615
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: in the dark, got set up in this spot. I

616
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: thought I could get aggressive and moving tight to the thicket.

617
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: Here he is coming right in my way on a string.

618
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: He's ripped. He stopped, starts ripping up another tree. Grass

619
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: is like flinging up into his antlers and over on

620
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: his back. He's like trailing all these long grass strands

621
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: through his antlers and his ears and stuff. Was really cool.

622
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing my bow. I'm kind of swung into position,

623
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: waiting for him, and then just you know, as he's

624
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of entering that next I don't know, I don't

625
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: know how this is for you, but I feel like

626
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: when you see a deer at like, you know, yards,

627
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: like he's close, but he's kind of out there. But

628
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: then you get within like sixty and then all of

629
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, like he's in the zone. So I felt

630
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: like he was hearts really going. So he's just about

631
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: to enter the zone and I'm right about to like

632
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: this is happening mode, And then this dang doll pops

633
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: out of thicket next to him and goes running off

634
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: to the north, and he turns and he follows her

635
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: off that way, and I had to watch this dough

636
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: and that stupid buck go walking right by the poop

637
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: blind again at five yards, he stands in front of

638
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: that blind, munching on brassicas, and she's there and they

639
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: go back and forth, back and forth, and several times

640
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: she angles like she's gonna come my way, and I

641
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: get excited again, and she goes back the other way

642
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: and and it's gone, and he does it again, and

643
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: then he goes back and it's very stressful, high intensity, um,

644
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: but frustrating because eventually she takes him back into the

645
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: cover and they disappear, and and that was it for

646
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: that morning. Um. So that was November five or six.

647
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember which day it was, and I hunt

648
00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: that night, Um, don't see them. And now this is

649
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: where my memory is getting fuzzy. Basically, that is my

650
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: last encounter with him as I'd seen him four days

651
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: in a row or three days in a row, back

652
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth, back and forth, had the

653
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: poop blind. Here he is again, goes by the bail

654
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: blind twice. I'm not there. Then I hunt the bail

655
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: blind and he doesn't show up, and then I have

656
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: to leave, which is really painful for me. But I

657
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: had to leave because I had this meat eater hunt

658
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: that um, you know, I couldn't get out of. So

659
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: I kind of happened to me like this meat eat

660
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: or thing is actually causing you more harm than good

661
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: at this point, at least for the hunt for this buck.

662
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: Kind of timing for everything was really bad. Um, but

663
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: after looking at cameras, maybe it wasn't so bad. But

664
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: the long story that is that I was hunting with

665
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Steve on this new West Michigan property that I permission

666
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: and I've talked about. Um, Steve was coming down with

667
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: the crew when we're gonna film it for the show,

668
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: So I had to that. So we go to this property.

669
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: I I the main thing I'll share from that whole.

670
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: That was like five or six days we were hunting there,

671
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: and it was relatively slow for a lot of the hunt. Um,

672
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: things just didn't go the way I wanted. There was

673
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: more activity, and I thought there was gonna be you know,

674
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: we had we had Steven a cameraman in one spot,

675
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: we had me and a cameraman in another spot. Uh,

676
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: Janice was hunting in another spot. And then they had

677
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: a fourth guy who was filming b roll from another spot.

678
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: So it was just like people all over the place.

679
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: And that was kind of hard for me, being a

680
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: guy that really likes to keep impact low and I'm

681
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: seeing like four spots getting blown up every morning, every

682
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: evening for five six days, and in my head, I'm

683
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: just thinking, oh gosh, this is a disaster. UM. So

684
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: it just it did not panning out. Me and Steve

685
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: neither one of us killed a deer. UM. We each

686
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: did have one close call with a nice buck. He

687
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: had a really big one UM come into ten yards,

688
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: but he couldn't get a shot because of um some

689
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: tree limbs. And then I had um an encounter the

690
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: heck of an encounter. We were sitting all day. It

691
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: was about twelve thirty, and um, we've been seeing some

692
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: bucks chasing dose and stuff that morning, so I was

693
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about it. Was We're deep in this

694
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: timber along this ridge system. There's kind of a bench

695
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: that connected to big ridges and bedding, and I assumed

696
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: it would be bucks cruising this ridge system. And twelve

697
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: thirty I see a buck cruising, pull up my binos.

698
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that might be that might be a

699
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: good one. Like we hadn't seen a single mature buck yet,

700
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like thinking, like that looks better than everything

701
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: we've seen so far. And he comes over the next

702
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: rise and I look at him again. I'm like, oh, man, yeah,

703
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: that's a shooter. So I'm like telling my caram like,

704
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm shooting this buck. And he starts coming in on

705
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: a string. So I'm excited. Do you remember the picture

706
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: that I shared earlier this year of that one buck

707
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: with a huge brow time really just one one big one, yeah,

708
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: one side, really really tall, a twelve inch brow t r. Yeah,

709
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: that's this buck. He's the biggest buck that out on camera.

710
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: And here he is coming right in. Now I need

711
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: to rewind the clock thirty minutes or so, because it

712
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: was a really cold morning and I had brought an

713
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: extra vest with me in my backpack in case I

714
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: got cold. So around noon, I was like, all right,

715
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: I'm cold. I need this extra vest on. But it's

716
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: not an outer layer, it's like an iter layer. So

717
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: I had to take off my harness. I had to

718
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: take off my outer jacket. I take off my release,

719
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: and I put on my vest and I put all

720
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: that stuff again. No, Now this buck's coming in thirty

721
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: mins layer the bucks coming in. He's approaching, he's approaching.

722
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: He pops over the rise and now he's in the zone.

723
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: He's like forty yards and I'm like, okay, this has happening.

724
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: He's coming right in. This is the moment where I

725
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: grabbed my bow, and at this point I usually clip on, right,

726
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: you clip on your bow and get ready. So I

727
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: go to clip on and I can't. I reached from

728
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: my release on my hand and there's no release. I

729
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: don't have my release on. When I had changed all

730
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: my gear, I put my release in my pocket while

731
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I was putting on the jackets, and then I never

732
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: put back on. Now I've got this giant deer at

733
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: forty yards walking right into me, and I don't have

734
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: a release, so I panic, and the editor, the TV

735
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: editor is going to have a fun line edit out

736
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: because in this moment, I say, uh, I don't even

737
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: know if I whispered. I think I almost like said it.

738
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I beeped up. I just said it, like,

739
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: oh I beeped up. And so I've scrambled trying find release.

740
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: I find out my pocket, I grab it and I

741
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: don't even know how it did this. I must have

742
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: been holding onto the ball with my left hand and

743
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: like somehow, like I don't even know how I did it,

744
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, but somehow, I'm trying

745
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: to get this release onto my right hand and I

746
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: cannot get it on, like I can't get the strap

747
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: through the buck I'm like starting to shake because I'm

748
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: so like it was. It wasn't freaking out about the

749
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: buck it was like this buck's gonna walk right through

750
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I can't get a shot

751
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: because I can't get my release on. So I'm freaking out.

752
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I can't get the buckle through the belt or the

753
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: strap through the buckle, and I just remember thinking Okay, Mark,

754
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: slow it down, like, just focus on, just like I can't.

755
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe to you why this

756
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: is so tough. But it was really difficult in the

757
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: moment to get this release on. But I got it on,

758
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: and I was so worried that when I looked up

759
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: that buck would be gone. But I looked up and

760
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: there he is at twenty yards broadside, right there, but

761
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: branches all over the place, like not a single hole anywhere,

762
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: like nowhere I could thread it through. And he's he's there.

763
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: He's huge. I mean, this is the best Michigan buck

764
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: this if I would if I were to have killed

765
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: this buck, he would be my biggest Michigan buck by far. Okay, Um,

766
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: you know, he's definitely mature, five and a half years old,

767
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: probably pushing like one fifty, which is a mega giant

768
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: in Michigan. And he's right there twenty yards. I've never

769
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: been that close to a Michigan buck that big, and

770
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 1: there's nowhere I can get a shot. But ten yards

771
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: ahead of him, I see an opening. So I positioned myself, Alright, fine,

772
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: this is great. I'm ready. I'm clipped on. He's just

773
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: gotta go ten more yards and he starts walking that way.

774
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm about to drawback, and then he hits a wall

775
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: of scent. Wind had shifted back just a little angle,

776
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: and he hit that thing like he ran into a

777
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: concrete wall. And he just spun around and bounced off

778
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: and that was it. And then I like melted down

779
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: after that. I was like shaking like a leaf that

780
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: at that point. So here's the question I have for you.

781
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: Did you have any shot at him before he was

782
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: broadside at twenty yards let's say, if you did have

783
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: your release on. Yeah, that was the big question. And

784
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: so after the encounter I looked and looked on like

785
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: could I have shot if I had my release and

786
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: I was prepared, could I have shot him? And there

787
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: was zero opportunities, not a single place I could have

788
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: shot him until he got past the wind um. Unfortunately,

789
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: this that this is the one spot, like this is

790
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: the down wind side of the stand, that it was

791
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: the one spot we don't want dear to go. And

792
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: so we you know, hadn't cleared anything there in retrospect,

793
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: should have had something, but everything was in a rush.

794
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: Nothing had been cleared that we had shots everwhere else,

795
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: but not to that spot, and so I felt better

796
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: about the scenario because of that. If if he had

797
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: if I could have had shots and I missed on

798
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: those shots because of the release, I would have wanted

799
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: to jump out of the tree. UM. So I felt

800
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: a little bit better about that. The only thing that

801
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: maybe I would have done different if I had had

802
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: my release on and I wasn't scrambling for five or

803
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: ten seconds to do that. Maybe what I could have

804
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: done is if I've been thinking about it and in

805
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: the moment, maybe I would have thought, oh, wow, he's

806
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: approaching where our down one side is I need to

807
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: try to turn him. Maybe I could have done a

808
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: light grunt pointing the other direction and maybe could have

809
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: convinced him to change his angle of travel a little bit,

810
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: maybe and pulled him in the other way. UM. I

811
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that would have worked or not, But

812
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: that's the only other thing I guess I could have

813
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: done differently if I hadn't had the release debacle. Um.

814
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: But more than likely probably would have just continued on

815
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: the path he wanted to be on and they would

816
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: have still winted us UM. But that was that was

817
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: the closest call I've had with the buck like that

818
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: in Michigan. So to have it be right there after,

819
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: you know, at that point, I've been like ten or

820
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: eleven days straight of hunting and all these close calls

821
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: of Frank and so afterwards I was shaken, and all

822
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: it was like adrenaline. I kept like I was just

823
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: like I kept saying, gosh, dang it for suwhere I

824
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: kept like gosh, dang it, Gosh dang it, And the

825
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: cameraman must have thought I sounded a complete idiot. And

826
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: then he looks at me. He's like, he's like, are

827
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you shaking because of the cold or what's going on?

828
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, man, do you realize that just happened,

829
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Like that's my one opportunity of the year. I'm not

830
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: going to have another opportunity dear like that this year.

831
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: And it's gone. And it was there and gone. It

832
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: was so close, like to have that deer at twenty

833
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: yards and not be able to get a shop. Oh

834
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: and and that was basically it. You know. I had

835
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: a few more days to hunt, saw some young bucks,

836
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: um nothing came together, went back to the home property

837
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: to play place closer to where I live. I have

838
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: been hunting the past few days, no more signs of

839
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Frank Um, no sightings. Yeah, and now the Orange Army

840
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: comes out, right, the Orange Army came out today. Uh yeah,

841
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: And I haunted today. I usually don't hunt here during

842
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: guns season, but I did just because it's hoping maybe

843
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: this deer you know, might be around. Still didn't see him,

844
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of gun shots. Every gun shot I heard,

845
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking my head, Oh no, he's dead. He's dead.

846
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: That was it. Um, But you just don't know. So

847
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: um Man, it's been fourteen or fifteen days straight. I'm tired. Um,

848
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: I got brownie. The Brownie points, amazingly are still in effect. Like,

849
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: my wife has been total champ. She's she's gotten to

850
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: a new level this here. Man, I don't even understand.

851
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't deserve it. Um. She like when I got

852
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: back from Nebraska, was gone for like six or seven

853
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: days in Nebraska, you know, on that hunt. And when

854
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: I came home, she went and bought a bunch of

855
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: groceries for my rut hunts, like for my all day

856
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: sits and everything. So she had like all my like

857
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: rut hunting snack and stuff I'll prepared for me. Um.

858
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: She made a bunch of like frozen breakfast burritos, so

859
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: that each morning I could wake up and pop one

860
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: of those in the in the microwave and have a

861
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: nice breakfast each morning for our head out for the

862
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: all day sit. Um. You know she's she's constantly keeping

863
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: tabs on like she's able. You know, she drives by

864
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: and see some of the properties that can hunt, just

865
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of checking them out, seeing if there's a deer

866
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: out in the field. Let me know what's happening. Um.

867
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: She Today she went there's this website called Michigan buck

868
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: Pool UM. It's basically a Facebook page where they share

869
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: like everyone's buck pictures from Michigan and UM. Today I

870
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: went to a local buck pool, UM, and like a

871
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: meat market here, there are a bunch of people show up.

872
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't they don't do buck poles and I would

873
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: do that. No. So for those who don't know, it's

874
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: a thing that I think it's like in the Upper

875
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Great Lakes region. This is a thing where people like

876
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: gas stations or butcher shops or um. Even at your

877
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: deer camp and stuff, you have like a buck pool

878
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: where you ever, but he brings their bucks and you

879
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: hang them up and then you see them and people

880
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: mill around and talk about them, and there's big buck

881
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: contests and different things like that. So there's a local

882
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: um butcher shop here that does us has a great

883
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: big buck pole deal, and so I went there tonight

884
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: and we're there scolpting it out, trying to see if

885
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: Frank had been shot by someone else. We didn't see him.

886
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: And as I'm driving home, my wife calls me. She says,

887
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: I looked all through Michigan buck Poole, looked at all

888
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: the pictures. I don't see Frank on there, like she

889
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: was scouring to see if Frank got killed by someone

890
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: else on Facebook. I mean, um, she's really Uh, she's

891
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: one of the kind. I got lucky. So I got

892
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: back from my rutcation and my wife left town. Joke.

893
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: She was just she was done with it. Yep, She's like, okay,

894
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm out of here and went went it's all one

895
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: of her friends in a different town, and uh came

896
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: back refreshed. That's good. I'm glad she's back on on

897
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: even ground and everything's everything's good in the Johnson household,

898
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 1: right right, as good as it could be can be,

899
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: because it can be. Yeah. At least you get a

900
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: short roccation. Yeah, well, I mean kind of you know,

901
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: it's a good and it's bad all at the same time. Yeah, well,

902
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: it is what it is. Is what it is, man,

903
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: and that's and that's kind of the story of my

904
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: Michigan season too, Man, it is what it is. I

905
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of feel like my opportunities are waning. There's always

906
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: a chance for late season buck, but this, Frank, Dear,

907
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he lives on the property

908
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: can hunt. So I think that he was in the

909
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: area for that spell. Chasing does and locked Onto does,

910
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: and he's probably back to wherever his home turf is

911
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: again and I might not see him again. I'm holding

912
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: out a little bit of hope. You know. He spent

913
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: more time than I would have expected, so who knows.

914
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll swing back through during late season again, like

915
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: he has been there once a year the last two years,

916
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: So maybe he'll hang out a little bit late season

917
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: and I'll have a chance. But if not, if not,

918
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: there's no bucks for me to hunt at all on

919
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: that property at least um, So I'll probably earned a

920
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: dope patrol soon and hopefully get back to the West

921
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: Michigan property a little bit because there are bucks to

922
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: hunt there. Um, and that's going to be kind of

923
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: the story of my season. It was it kind of

924
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: put all my eggs for the Rut into Michigan, into

925
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: the Michigan basket. I usually don't do that, right, I

926
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: usually go to Ohio or iiO or something, and um,

927
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: this is the first year and like ten years I

928
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: think that I just hunted Michigan during the rut and

929
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: um didn't come together. But I did have close calls

930
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: with two with two mature bucks, which is which is

931
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: pretty good for this state. So I can't complain too much.

932
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: I've been kind of bumming about it. I've been kind

933
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: of hard on myself because it was like, felt so

934
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: close and it didn't happen. Um, And now you know,

935
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: I'd say it probably won't happen now the gun seasons here.

936
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to trying to focus on the silver

937
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: line that I had some really really cool counters that

938
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: most people probably don't have, so UM, trying to trying

939
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: to stay positive. It is what it is. Yeah, So

940
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: that's it. That's my long Michigan story. Um, And that's

941
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: our part one of this episode. I suppose unless you

942
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: have anything else you want to add. Nope, it's uh.

943
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: I can hear my kids starting to fall apart in

944
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: the other room, so that's my sign anyway, all right,

945
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: good good timing. Then then that we're gonna we're gonna

946
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: hit pause for part one. We're gonna then shift to

947
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: part two with Mike and Skyler from Hartland bow Hunter

948
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about their rud hunts after this

949
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: quick break. And we want to thank our partners now

950
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: at White Tailed Properties for the support of this podcast.

951
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: And I want to give a quick plug for one

952
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: of their recent videos over on the White Tailed Properties

953
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, and this is a quick one they did

954
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: about how to score a buck. And you know, this

955
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: is something we've talked about a lot in the past,

956
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: me and Dan on the podcast that sometimes the scores

957
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: of deer's antlers gets overblown. We we spend too much

958
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: time and attention on it, um, glorifying the antlers too

959
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: much above everything else. And and that's something I think

960
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,479
Speaker 1: we don't want to do, right, There's so much more

961
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: to a deer than his antlers. But I do think

962
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: as long as it's something you're not you know, at

963
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: least for me personally. I'm not gonna say what you

964
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: should do, but for me personally, as long as I'm

965
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: not focusing too much on it, it still can be

966
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: kind of a fun thing to see, just to help

967
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: you kind of get perspective about how this deer might

968
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: match up to others. You know, how to quantify, you know,

969
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: how unique or interesting or or or or special these

970
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: antlers might be. YadA, YadA, YadA. I'd like to score

971
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 1: on my bucks sometimes just for me to see. And

972
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: that's why this video is helpful if you want to

973
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: score your deer and see how they actually do measure up.

974
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: This video very quickly and easily walks you through how

975
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: to do that. So it's over on the white Tail

976
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: Properties YouTube channel. The title is simply how to score

977
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: a buck and they do a very nice job of

978
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: explaining it and easy to follow fashion, so check that

979
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: one out. UM. Like I said, antlers score is definitely

980
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: not everything, but it can be a fun little of

981
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,479
Speaker 1: the pie that you even take a look at, and

982
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: um helps kind of flesh out the story of your

983
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: dear So check that on and if you want to

984
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: learn more about white Tail Properties, you can also visit

985
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: white Tail Properties dot com. All right, and here on

986
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: the line with me, I've got Mike Hunn Sucker and

987
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: Skylar worst Sake from Heartland bow Hunter. Guys, thanks for

988
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: hopping on the podcast with me. Thanks, thanks for having us. Yeah, yeah,

989
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I wanted to get you guys on here. Mike,

990
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: it's been a couple of years since you've been on

991
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: the show, and I don't think Skyler, we've ever been

992
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: able to pull you on, so so I'm glad to

993
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: do it finally. And um, I know that you guys

994
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: have had some exciting hunts here recently. I've been seeing

995
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: what's happened on Instagram. I kind of wanted to get

996
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: the full store and that, and I thought since it

997
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: happened here during the rut, we might have a good

998
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: excuse to to dive into the house and the what's

999
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: and the wives and use those stories you guys have

1000
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: to share as far as your rut success here recently.

1001
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I wanted to go with

1002
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: chat today. But but before that, I want to throw

1003
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: kind of a high level theory or observation that I'm

1004
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: getting from a lot of people right now, and I

1005
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: want to see if you guys are seeing the same thing.

1006
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: I've heard from a lot of folks that the last

1007
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: week or so, when we're typically thinking that the ruts

1008
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: gonna be popping, that it's gonna be really great. A

1009
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: lot of people I've been chatting with and getting messages

1010
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: from have been saying that has been one of the

1011
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: slowest rutting peak of typical rutting activity that they can remember,

1012
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: and that instead of it being so great right now,

1013
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: they were seeing the best running activity in late October.

1014
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: Is that something you guys have seen or have you

1015
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: had the lights out rutting and chasing and seeking that

1016
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: you expect over the last seven to ten days or so.

1017
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I think it's been pretty pretty good overall. Um.

1018
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because you always have people saying, oh, yeah,

1019
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: like oh it's on or oh it's lockdown, or you know,

1020
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: day to day changes, and um, honestly, for for you know,

1021
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: for me personally, I feel like it's you know, did

1022
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: you pick the right spot? Are you in you in

1023
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 1: the right spot at the right time, like you know, yeah,

1024
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: one day, yeah, you might have a buck lockdown on

1025
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: the door, or they might be you know, locked down,

1026
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: but like you know, you go to a different farm

1027
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: the next day, different area and see some completely different.

1028
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: So I think it all depends on obviously the area,

1029
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: the region that you're hunting in, or even even farm

1030
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: the farm. So um. I always I always laugh when

1031
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: people like, oh, yeah it's lockdown, like it's lockdown across

1032
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: the country. Every buck's lockdown the door, like you know,

1033
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: I think it just really depends on on on where

1034
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: you're at and and uh, there you're hunting. Yeah, that's

1035
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: that's very true, Skyler. Have you see anything different? Yeah,

1036
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more than what Mike just said there.

1037
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: Like for me personally this year, it's been super slow,

1038
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: like abnormally slow. That's just my personal observation. But I've

1039
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: had people that have been right in them, you know,

1040
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: and it's chaos and it's buck after buck chasing dough

1041
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: and doing loops and round to all kinds of stuff.

1042
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: But but for me, what I saw personally, it was

1043
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: it was real slow. But I know better. I mean

1044
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: it could be one ridge over and and one hillside

1045
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: over and not be in them, and that's where they're at,

1046
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: one property over, one farm over, just like Mike just said,

1047
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: so you know you're in them or you're not. That's

1048
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: kind of what I feel about it. Yeah. Now, now

1049
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: I know you just said Mike that. Of course you

1050
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: can't say it's one phase happening right now where we're

1051
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: at and it's gonna be the same thing everywhere else.

1052
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: But if you had to kind of this is the

1053
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: typical time frame that most people think that we're entering

1054
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: quote unquote lockdown. Do you feel like are you seeing

1055
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: anything like that where you're at yet? Are you are

1056
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: you seeing Bucks locked on? Does is it starting to

1057
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: slow down? Let people typically think of at that time period? Um? Yeah,

1058
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think so. I'm sure you know,

1059
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: we're near in kind of the peak of the rut

1060
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: and I'm actually out in like northwest Kansas right now,

1061
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: which is an area that, um, not super high density

1062
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: but really open. Until you get a lot, you can

1063
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: really see a lot and you get to see a

1064
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: lot of what's going on. Um, you know between the

1065
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: several groups of people that we have in camp, Um,

1066
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean people are seeing Bucks, Um, several are lockdown

1067
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: with those But like I saw big mature buck tonight

1068
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: um kind of by himself and all by himself and

1069
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: he didn't have a dough and um, he wasn't able

1070
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: to get him get him in bow range. But um,

1071
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: you know we're seeing a little bit of everything. So uh,

1072
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: it's it's so situational and so you know, you know,

1073
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: farm to farm and just just you never know. But um,

1074
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: you know Sean, like Sean's been hunting and uh, past

1075
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: couple of days and he's been hunting this specific area.

1076
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: It's like tight to a betting area and he's having

1077
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: a crazy intense right action, like he's rut on the

1078
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: edge of the betting area. They're they're moving all day.

1079
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean they're not you know, they're not hardly slowing

1080
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: down at all. But if you know, if you're off

1081
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: that betting areaf you're hunting you know, further away by

1082
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: food sources or um just further away from the core

1083
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, core areas, and you're not gonna see an

1084
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: expert that kind of redactivity. So um, but yeah, I

1085
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: mean I think, you know, yeah, it's definitely the time

1086
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: when than when most of the bucks you know that

1087
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: most of those are in heat and they they tend

1088
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: to get with them. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

1089
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: I think more of them going to be locked down

1090
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: right now this time you're just like you said Martha

1091
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: started off with, but there's no way all of them

1092
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: are locked down, and so you better still be out

1093
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: there trying if you can. But but certainly that's probably

1094
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: why it is a little slower right now because of that.

1095
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: But we gotta keep trying if you can. Do you guys,

1096
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: do anything different during quote unquote or if again, we

1097
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: can't just say this is lockdown, but mid November when

1098
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of peak of breeding, more bucks are gonna

1099
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: be locked than aren't. Um, Do you change at all

1100
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: what you're doing from a hunting perspective any different than

1101
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: what you might have been doing seven days ago or

1102
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: tend to go ten days ago when we're kind of

1103
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: assuming that most of the bucks are cruising around chasing

1104
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: trying to find that first though, Are you sitting anywhere

1105
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: different or thinking through anything different? Skyler? Uh? For me,

1106
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: not any different. I try to focus on the just

1107
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: the rut funnels, you know, where they got to get

1108
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: around a certain terrain to get by your stand or

1109
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: kind of on the edge of a betting area that's

1110
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: real thick or even maybe even right in it and

1111
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: kind of kind of dive in there and get pretty

1112
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 1: aggressive because I think Bucks potentially could have been locked down,

1113
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: you know with the first dose, even just a couple

1114
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. So um, not really changing anything this

1115
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: week versus last week. I'm still try trying to focus

1116
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: on those those betting areas and those thick areas where

1117
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: they're going to push them into or be cruising through

1118
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: some funnels to get for me to be So, yeah, Mike,

1119
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: same thing for you, or do you have anything different

1120
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: twists you throw on there? Well? Yeah, I mean I

1121
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: think I think you know, when when the Bucks do

1122
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: get locked down, you know, there's stick contact to these

1123
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: areas and they're not letting the doe leave. And so

1124
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: I think being closer to you know, some of the

1125
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: some of the better betting areas or even like this

1126
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: time of year can be it's really weird with with

1127
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: some areas we hunt that have like higher deer numbers.

1128
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: It's crazy to where you'll see these big Bucks isolate

1129
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: these dose. They'll literally get them away and these really

1130
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: weird spots try to get them far far away from

1131
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: all the other deer because they're tired of fighting off

1132
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: little bucks and try tired of getting harass and and

1133
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep her you know, to themselves until

1134
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: they'll run them up into these weirdest little areas and

1135
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: so um, you know, it's the time of year when

1136
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: you can kind of key on some some non traditional

1137
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: areas where um you know that maybe off like in

1138
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: Kansas where we're at now, it's it's it's really open

1139
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: train and like a lot of the deer just run

1140
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: the creeks in the in the in the river system

1141
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: and then the draws. But there's little fingers that come

1142
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: off fee of these draws, and like this time of year,

1143
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: it's when those bucks will get that dough and they'll

1144
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: get her far away as possible from the creek and

1145
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: from the river system just to keep her out of

1146
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: the out of the high traffic areas. And so um,

1147
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: if we're seeing some of that, will definitely like move

1148
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: in a hand some sets um you know, closer to

1149
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: that area. So yeah, that's seen. And thing actually just recently,

1150
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: earlier this month, I had a buck that was locked

1151
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: on a dough and he was taking her up until

1152
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: this little tiny finger timmer that led out towards the

1153
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: road kind of and then there were some tall kind

1154
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: of CRP type native grasses, and there's there's never buck

1155
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: activity there typically. Um. But for four days in a row,

1156
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: I think every morning he was in there with a

1157
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: dough and moving in and out of there in the evenings,

1158
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: and so I just kept on Kenana. Every day I

1159
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,479
Speaker 1: was all right, I'm gonna assume he's back in there again,

1160
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: and every day he just about was. Um. So that

1161
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: as if you if you see that kind of activity,

1162
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: it does make a lot of sense to to assume

1163
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some consistency and try to get tight

1164
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: to it. It. It didn't worry out for me, but

1165
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: almost did. Um. But speaking of speaking of going in

1166
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: tight though to to like betting areas and things like that, Mike, Um,

1167
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: I just know a tiny bit about your hunt that

1168
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: came together for you. I don't know, it's about a

1169
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: week he goo maybe in Missouri, and I know I

1170
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: had to do a little bit with you making a

1171
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: move tight to some cover. So I kind of want

1172
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: to hear the story of this buck that you call

1173
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: bovis right, he's at six and a half year old,

1174
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: ZERI is that right? Yeah? Yeah, I come to find

1175
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: out six and a half year old. It's kind of funny.

1176
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: We um we thought maybe this is all estimation, of course,

1177
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, we had we had estimated him

1178
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: to be five and a half, um, you know, based

1179
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: on the cheff hand photos in the history we had

1180
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: with him. And then once I got to dig it

1181
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: into like old photos from the first year that we

1182
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: had our our property, I end up finding some photos

1183
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: of him from when he was uh look what we

1184
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: thought was too So we we uh we kind of

1185
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: underestimated his age and actually passed him up last year,

1186
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: the five and a half year old. So but he

1187
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: did get a little bit bigger. But um, yeah, I

1188
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: mean I Sean and I were having a discussion talking

1189
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: about how, you know, with Missouri, with you know, with

1190
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: with the rival season being right in the middle of

1191
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: of the rut, and this year was a little bit earlier.

1192
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: I think it was the twelve. It was last Saturday

1193
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: when I've opened, and um, you know, we always try

1194
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: to be cautious on how we hunt and how we

1195
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: approach things, and um, you know, we don't want to

1196
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: blow deer out, we don't want to run them off,

1197
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, off our property. And having the shot with

1198
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: a gun and so you know, we're always pretty cautious,

1199
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: but I felt like, you know, I'm talking to Sean,

1200
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I feel like we are a little

1201
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: bit too cautious, Like we need some a little more

1202
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: aggressive you know sets that that are sets that we're

1203
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: only gonna hunt, you know, once twice, three times a year,

1204
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: maybe this time of year. And uh so, you know,

1205
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: we we kind of started like keying in on on

1206
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: looking at the on the maps and kind of finding where,

1207
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, areas where we thought would be would be

1208
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: good and based on prior like ship hunting one and

1209
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and um, you know, we've been we

1210
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: we've been seeing this deer for for years. We kind

1211
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: of knew his core area, and uh so I I

1212
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of I basically hung a new set specifically for

1213
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: for this deer or one other deer there's too too.

1214
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: You know, mature deer are kind of in this area.

1215
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: And it's a timber you know timber set, and it's

1216
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: in tight on the betting area and it's it's it's

1217
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: a big draw that the bucks just kind of cruise

1218
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: and they check all these little these little coves in

1219
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: this in this draw, and um, I basically just wanted

1220
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: to get somewhere where we were, you know, in tight

1221
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: close to a betting area, that we had pretty good

1222
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: visibility and that we could actually you know, call to

1223
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: the year. Like where we put the stand. It wasn't

1224
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: a stand that like, yeah, we have deer walk by

1225
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: and bow range, but it's it's we're off the edge

1226
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: a little bit to where we could really observe it

1227
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: and if we see the buck to call to him

1228
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: and and make the move. So that's what we kind

1229
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 1: of did, and um, and that panned out. It worked

1230
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: worked like a charm, I guess. So so rewind a

1231
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: little bit for me though you you saw this buck

1232
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: for four years or five years wherever was what kind

1233
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: of encounters were you having him in these past years?

1234
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: Were paying attention to them early on or was it

1235
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: kind of a deer that maybe last year or the

1236
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: year before year kind of like oh wow, this is

1237
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: a funky, cool buck. You know, tell me a little

1238
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: bit more about the history that led up to this

1239
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: and if you know any that helped you get the

1240
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: kind of final pieces together now yeah, oh yeah, it's um,

1241
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: it's amazing that that the way that we start logging

1242
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: our trail camp photos and keeping track of all our

1243
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: photos like and Skyler can touch on this too with

1244
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: his buck here and in a little bit. But it's

1245
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: amazing to see the patterns year after year and and

1246
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: and in the areas that they spend time in October

1247
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: versus the area they spend time in in November and um. Yeah,

1248
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: So we have been watching this bucket for years and

1249
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: had several encounters with them, actually this year in particular. Um,

1250
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: we had a couple of encounters with him early season

1251
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: on a clover plot in October. UM, and then a

1252
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: few days before I shot him, Shawn's dad had a

1253
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: close call with him, Um, just off that clover plot.

1254
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: He was coming to the uh this this corn mode

1255
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: corn plot that check you know, check for dose. And

1256
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: so we had a lot of encounters with them, we

1257
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, over the years and kind of put the

1258
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: pieces of the pubble together, and it's it's interesting to see,

1259
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, what cameras he's on year after year and

1260
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: what camera heat cameras he isn't on, and you can

1261
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: really quickly narrowed down his his core area and uh,

1262
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: he was you know, had a fairly small core area.

1263
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean I would say, you know, three hundred acres

1264
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: ish um, and so you know, we we we knew

1265
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: that he was using that area, fruining that area, and

1266
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: during the rut, you know, that's we have a lot

1267
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: of those, a lot of high deer density, and so

1268
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: they don't really have to leave and and chase and

1269
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: run around too much to to find those. So we

1270
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: need he'd be in that in that area pretty tight.

1271
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: How how are you hunting differently before the rut? You

1272
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: you mentioned you're pretty conservatives. Is it mostly field edge,

1273
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: food plot, food source type of things? And then right

1274
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: about in the last you know, ten twelve days or so,

1275
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: you start diving to the cover. Is that typically how

1276
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: you approach things or do you have a different way

1277
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: to go about them? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I would say, yeah,

1278
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: September October, we're hunting, you know, mainly evenings hunting. You know,

1279
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: food plots, field edges. I'm not really getting under the

1280
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: timber much. It's just it's tough, you know, our on

1281
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: our on our particular property. You know a lot of

1282
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: oak trees, a lot of acorns and so um. You know,

1283
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: if they're just scattered, they're they're not really concentrated and

1284
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: it's tough to hunt in the morning without blowing deer out,

1285
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: and so um, we we would like to be conservative,

1286
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: and they get they get pretty regular, you know, in

1287
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: the evenings on the food sources and so um, that's

1288
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: typically what we're doing until you know, mid three week

1289
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: of October UM, and then we'll start hunting some mornings

1290
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: in Noptember um and and getting a little little more aggressive.

1291
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 1: So so in this situation, you said, Um, you had

1292
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: Shawn's dad had a close call a couple of days beforehand,

1293
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: you decide that you want to sneak in here is tighter. No,

1294
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: did I remember Did they remember this right that you

1295
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: hung a new set like just before the day you

1296
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: hunted it, or was this back in the summer when

1297
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: you hung that set specifically for this year? Then no, no, yeah,

1298
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: we hung Yeah, we hung the set the day before

1299
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: I kill him. Um. So we went in midday and

1300
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: on the set it was it was I knew it

1301
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: was gonna be ah all right, anticipated at being in

1302
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: more of a morning set. Um, but we decided we're

1303
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: gonna hang it and just hunted that evening, leave all

1304
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: our stuff in the tree and come back in the morning.

1305
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the right wind, you know, both times,

1306
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: and um, you know, wanted to be pretty stealthy in

1307
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: the morning and as you know, for you know, just

1308
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: the filming side of things. I mean, we got a

1309
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: lot of crap in the tree takes every set up

1310
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 1: and cloud and and so uh it's there's nothing better

1311
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: than literally leaving everything the three like my I left

1312
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: my bow in the tree. Everything. They're like in the morning,

1313
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: climb right up and it's like I was like, oh,

1314
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: I remember what this is. Like. This was like when

1315
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: I first started hunting, Like you just climb up with

1316
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: your bow on your back and you're ready to go.

1317
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: H But yeah, so we hung the stand. We hunted

1318
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: that evening and actually had a pretty slow set, which

1319
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: I kind of expected. H it was a little bit warmer,

1320
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: and um, you know we saw a few deer you

1321
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: know later in the evening and then in the buck

1322
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: chasing a dough. But um, that next morning, uh it

1323
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: cool off quite a bit and um was perfect. Really

1324
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: we got in there. We we did bump. You know,

1325
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: I was afraid of bumping deer because it's a more

1326
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: aggressive stand. Like I said, you gotta eat it. A

1327
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: little bit of walk several hundred yards kind of through Withtember,

1328
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: and it's loud, you know, all oak leaves are all

1329
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: over the ground, and uh so I was like, yeah,

1330
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna bump deer, like you gotta just

1331
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: expect that and and and be okay with that. And

1332
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to be okay with that ever,

1333
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: but uh you know, we we we we pushed in.

1334
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: We bumped one or two deer maybe on the way in,

1335
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: and got climbed in and had deer on us, you know,

1336
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: right away. First light had a little fun come by,

1337
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: and then actually it was probably a little bit of

1338
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: a lull, probably thirty forty five minutes, which is what

1339
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: I was hoping. I was hoping the deer weren't gonna

1340
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: be in there very much, you know, until later in

1341
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: the morning, and later in the morning here like commonly

1342
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: start kind of filtering through. And we had a had

1343
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: a pretty steady morning from about you know, probably an

1344
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: hour after our thirty minutes after sunrise until until I

1345
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: shot him, which was actually like I believe so so

1346
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: the situation you just describe there, that loud waking I

1347
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: just had this morning myself, I was heading into a

1348
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: stand and it was it was like fourteen degrees this morning.

1349
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: Everything was frozen and crunchy and there was no wind.

1350
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: As I got I walked across into the timber and

1351
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: it's like that first step in there, I was like,

1352
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: oh God, like this is going to be a disaster.

1353
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: And so I'm always faced with this dilemma in that

1354
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: situation where I'm thinking of my head. Do I just

1355
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: so slowly creep along and try to minimize the sound

1356
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: and make and just take forever to get to my

1357
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: stand and try to be a little more quiet even

1358
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: though it's not that quiet, or do you say, screw it,

1359
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make noise. I might as well just get

1360
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: to the stand as quickly as possible and get in

1361
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: it so that the length of time and making noise

1362
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: is shorter. Yeah, So I never know what to do.

1363
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: I bounced in between the two. It seems like, what

1364
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: do you do? Do you think that either one of

1365
01:08:52,040 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: those is better? Get it over? That morning getting Yeah, yeah,

1366
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: the morning that the morning I shot Bob, Joel and

1367
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: I were like creeping. We just creeped in. I was like, yeah,

1368
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of loud, but I was like, what kind

1369
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: of sound? Like raccoons or whatever, and like the year

1370
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: like ran off in blue and I was like, come on,

1371
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: and I was like it was up pointing. I was like,

1372
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: you didn't sell us. We could have just been raccoons.

1373
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: Like you're not blowing it us no way, But yeah,

1374
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. It was the same thing

1375
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: this morning here in Kansa's like dead calm. It was

1376
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: literally I said the brand and I go, yeah, I go, uh,

1377
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: if there's any deer in the vicinity, like they're gone.

1378
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna get in the stand and hope

1379
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: that bucks come cruising. Like it's it seems it seems

1380
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: it's so contradictory to what we normally do. But it's

1381
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: is that time of year where it's like you gotta,

1382
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta try stuff and you gotta do

1383
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: it and you gotta get into the right spots. So

1384
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, you just you kind of

1385
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: risk it and hope, I hope you don't bump the

1386
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: right deer. Yeah yeah, I feel like I feel you.

1387
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: After today, I might be moving to the just get

1388
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: in there and get over it. Because it was just

1389
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: so painfully slow. And then I still spo deer, and

1390
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: it just felt like it was a waste of time. Um,

1391
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: I might be in your boat, Skyler. I think I

1392
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: like that idea. That's the right call for sure. Um

1393
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: give me anxiety every every step, like I just get

1394
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm so anxious. I'm like, this is so loud. I

1395
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: hate it. And then you hear that bounding away or

1396
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: a dear blow, and just like your soul starts to

1397
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: slowly crumble away. It's the worst feeling in the world.

1398
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, maybe it was a high pitch.

1399
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: It was a high pitch blow. It must in the door.

1400
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: Or you hear like a really deep blow and you're like,

1401
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: oh great, it was a big buck. That was That

1402
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: was the only buck around here. A good hunt. Whole

1403
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: hunts ruined. What am I doing walking in there? Anyways? Now, yeah,

1404
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,879
Speaker 1: I know that feeling too well, the unknown, the unknown

1405
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: killed you. But you know it's full of the deals

1406
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: you'll never know. So yeah, So this this set you

1407
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: were and you said it was a draw, that there

1408
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: was a lot of dear bedded in. Can you describe though,

1409
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 1: like how you actually placed the stand within the draw,

1410
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: like where you up high on the ridge or right

1411
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: down near the bottom or and how is the wind

1412
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: and all that I'm kind of curious about, like the

1413
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: real details of that set up. Um. Yeah, so it

1414
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: was it was up top like uh basically where it

1415
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: was an old logging road that ran down the top

1416
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: of this ridge and went all the way down to

1417
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: where the basically of the ridge ran out. And um,

1418
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: the ridge basically shot straight northwest, so we hung it

1419
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: for a northwest wind, north wind, west wind, you know,

1420
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: any any northwest wind, and uh, it kind of the

1421
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: draw ran out, and so we're kind of overlooking the

1422
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: main draw and like it's it's it's a big deep

1423
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: cut into like the deer. It's like you got these

1424
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: little fingers and coves and like the deer, I've seen

1425
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: them to do it, you know, over and over and over,

1426
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: and all the trails you can just see when you

1427
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: shut hunt and uh you see all that. They they

1428
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: they kind of just circle the down one side of

1429
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: all these these draws and they kind of just basically run,

1430
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, run these these little coves, and so, um,

1431
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to be up high to where you know

1432
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: we kind of see, you know, be at a pretty

1433
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: good vantage point. Um. But also be entied enough to

1434
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: where you know, we'd be able to to get a

1435
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: shot off or call and have the deer deer come

1436
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: to us. So, um, we were up high, like we

1437
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: were kind of the tree was kind of off the

1438
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: ridge and so the set is probably really really high

1439
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: set because of the ridge is a little bit above us.

1440
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: But um, but it's a really good vantage point and um,

1441
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: and kind of see what's going on all across there.

1442
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: And so then did you end up seeing the buck

1443
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: and calling him in or were you doing blind calling

1444
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: and then he came into that? How did that all work? So, yeah,

1445
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: we have too much deer. I actually like we're above

1446
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: this huge like off to our north or our right side,

1447
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: there's this huge bowl um that drops off below the tree.

1448
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: And so it's a big, big, thick kind of you

1449
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: know the area where it's kind of overgrown. We've done

1450
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: some timber stand improvement and then we've done a lot

1451
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: of prescribed fires in the area, so a lot of

1452
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: under undergrowth and thick and you know, the deer better

1453
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: than quite a bit. And I had seen some deer

1454
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: back that way and I was I was giving Joel trouble.

1455
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you know I spot a deer

1456
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: a couple of times back. I'm like, hey, that's your

1457
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: side of the tree. You gotta keep an eye over there, man.

1458
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: And uh, I look back and there's like this one.

1459
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: I just one like lane where I could see for

1460
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: like a hunt a couple of hundred, like a hundred

1461
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: and twenty yards hunt, thirty yards probably, And I see

1462
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: a glimpse of a deer go through there. I threw

1463
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: my bonos up on him, and I see it's a

1464
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: good buck. I have no idea what buck it is,

1465
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: or it's the you know, I'm sure buck whatever. I

1466
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 1: just saw the solid buck and he just vanishes, and

1467
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, look, look, look, and don't ever get

1468
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: another shot at him. Like well, I'm gonna call could

1469
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: be straight up wind of us. I was like, I'm

1470
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: gonna come, gonna do some grunning and and see. So

1471
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: I grunt ground a few times, and I'm scanning, scanning, scanning,

1472
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: looking over the area, looking over the area, and nothing.

1473
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: I was like, dag it, man, I was like, I

1474
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: know that deer, like I know it was a good deer.

1475
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what which one it was. And so

1476
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little some quick rattle. So I've

1477
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: other antlers and like not real hard or aggressive, but

1478
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: like because you know, he the deal wasn't very far.

1479
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: So I just you know, rattled lightly and um, you know,

1480
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: not too long by thirty seconds and then set the

1481
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: antler down, and glass and glass and local looks and

1482
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: is expecting him to come and nothing, and so I look,

1483
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: dang man. I was like, I don't know, I don't

1484
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: know what to do. That was whatever, and just sitting

1485
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: there and it's probably I would say like probably two

1486
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 1: minutes went by, maybe and uh, maybe three minutes, and

1487
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I looked down below us in

1488
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: this bowl, and it's kind of funny because we're so high.

1489
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: We're like up and this bowl drops way down, so

1490
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: it's like we're probably like fifty six above this deer.

1491
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: And I looked down and there he is. He's like

1492
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 1: forty five yards but just way down low, and he's coming.

1493
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: He's just coming, and he's just like not like not

1494
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: like when you rattle in a bucket's mad and hot

1495
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: and like coming in like charging, but he's just like

1496
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: zig zagging through all this brush and coming. And I

1497
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: put my bottles on him. I instantly recognized you know

1498
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: who it was. He just as heavy and as the

1499
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: flyer off as you do. And and uh he's kind

1500
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: of exact him through this brush, like not on a

1501
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: trail at all. If I come and right to our treat.

1502
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: And so I knew he had he was coming to

1503
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: the call. And uh, so I turned around, got my boat,

1504
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, and everything I'm and I'm he's coming on

1505
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: the back side of the tree. And so I'm like, man,

1506
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: we hung this set. It was it was a hanging

1507
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: hunt kind of deal. You know. We didn't want to

1508
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: trim too much. It wanna be too loud, and so

1509
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: we didn't trim a ton on the backside down when

1510
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: of course, and uh, here he comes up the hill

1511
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: and and I see this a little a little clearing

1512
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: like forty yards that range and draw back, and he

1513
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,560
Speaker 1: steps into it. And and when he steps into I

1514
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: see there's there's some branches and there no way on

1515
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: my shooting. So but he's still coming up the up

1516
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: the valley and he's getting closer to where our wind

1517
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: is blown. Someone getting got nervous. I had to spin

1518
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: all the way around the tree, and so I let

1519
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: down spin all the way around the tree and he's

1520
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: coming closer. He gets real close to the tree, and uh,

1521
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 1: I draw back again. There's like some branches and treating

1522
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: the way, of course, and so I had to get

1523
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 1: down to kneel down. And so he's like twenty yards

1524
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, not kneeling down, but squatting

1525
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: down twenty yards, you know, on these branches. And I

1526
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: asked Joel. I'm like, Joel, are you on him? And

1527
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm not on him. There's the tree

1528
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 1: in the way, and so I was like, oh gosh.

1529
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: And so like I was like, all right, I look

1530
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: kind of look ahead of the trail where he's walking

1531
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: and he's gonna clear that he's going to clear the

1532
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: brush and about ten more yards or whatever. And he

1533
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: gets about halfway there and he smells the trail where

1534
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: we walked in, and he's like put his nose on

1535
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: some branches, starts like smelling around how they do. And

1536
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no. And then he all of

1537
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: a sudden just looks our way and looks right up

1538
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: at us in the tree, and I'm a full yer

1539
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: all and I'm like, oh man, I was like this

1540
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: is over. Like he was dead dead the right at

1541
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: at like twenty yards and I was like it's done,

1542
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're full draw and you're kind

1543
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: of squatting done too and stuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm

1544
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: squatting at full draw and just like yeah, just like

1545
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: this is this is done and so over, and you know,

1546
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: you just know when it was a big deer, it

1547
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: was an old mature deer, like they just don't they

1548
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: just they just have the six sense about him and

1549
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: whatever reason. He just like looks at us for like

1550
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: twenty seconds and just turns and keeps on walking. I

1551
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: was like, no way, and like he takes about five

1552
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: or six more steps, and at this point we crossed

1553
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: our trail. We walked in and he's like I gotta

1554
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: be like three or four steps from being down win

1555
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: and he finally cleared the branches. I stopped him and

1556
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: joeld on him and I released, and like he stops,

1557
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: I settle in and like he starts to walk in,

1558
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: which I don't see because I'm like honed into the

1559
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: peep and everything, and he takes a step as I

1560
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: as as I'm releasing, which so I hit him a

1561
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: little further back. But it's still this perfect shot high,

1562
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, high double long, and uh, he took off

1563
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: and I knew instantly the blood just started, you know,

1564
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: shooting out. And I knew instantly we we'd got him.

1565
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: But it was just I was a wreck, man. It

1566
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: was just it was it cooled awful bunch that morning.

1567
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: I was underdressed because it was like super Wendy. So

1568
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: I was just like I lost that. I was shaking

1569
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: so bad, and and just the adrenaline rush and all

1570
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: that you kind of hitting me, hitting me at once,

1571
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: but and if getting drawn back like its stakes to

1572
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: face stare down like it was just a u. I

1573
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: was like literally fall out the tree, shaking up heads.

1574
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty cool. Oh man, it sounds like

1575
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: that would take a year off my life. Yeah. Yeah,

1576
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: that's why I got gray hair, gray hair my beard now. Man. Yeah.

1577
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: That's uh, just about everything that could possibly happen in

1578
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: like a close encounter like that that makes it stressful,

1579
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: all happen in one for you. That's that's insane. Um. Yeah,

1580
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you you get you only get

1581
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 1: so many chances, you know, And like I was talking

1582
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 1: to to Joel, literally I think like right before this

1583
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: thought was like, you know, like the the difference between

1584
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: having like and a great year, like your best year

1585
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: ever and a bad year is literally capitalizing on the opportunities.

1586
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, you only get we hunt you know, we

1587
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: get to hunt a ton. You know, we're really fortunately

1588
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: get out, you know, more than more than most people.

1589
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: But like at the end of the day, you only

1590
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: get a handful of opportunities. And so you know, if

1591
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: you miss you know, two of those four opportunities, that's

1592
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 1: the difference between you know, a great year and in

1593
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: a slower year. And so, um, I just I just

1594
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: saw that opportunity like slipping between my fingertips. Whenever he

1595
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: like stared us down, I was like, no, it's over,

1596
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, but luckily it worked out the

1597
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: right place right time, Like I said, it's nice when

1598
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: it does all come together. Um, back to your calling

1599
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: and you're rattling there. Um, you said you kind of

1600
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: rattled for thirty seconds maybe a short rattling sequence. Is

1601
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: that your typical rattling or what does your like usual

1602
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: rattling or calling kind of deal usually work or look

1603
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: at during the run? Um, yeah, I mean that that

1604
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: particular time I rattled pretty short and concisually that he

1605
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: was close. I didn't want to be caught moving. That's fine,

1606
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: that's fine. Number one worst fear is like being caught

1607
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 1: like rattling. Um, but like you don't normally I'll rattle

1608
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: for a little while longer, um, and I like to

1609
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: I usually like to rattle and then stop for a

1610
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,839
Speaker 1: little bit and listen, you know, for a few seconds,

1611
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: and then rattles some more. Kind of deal because like

1612
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: if you know you have a deer coming in and

1613
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: charging in on you, Um, you don't want to be

1614
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: caught moving. So UM. I love I love calling. I

1615
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 1: love rattle. I love being a in in a you know,

1616
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: a position to where you can see dear and observe

1617
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: their behavior and call to him. Like that's the best obviously. Um,

1618
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: when you can you can kind of judge their their

1619
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: body language and the base you're calling off that. But um,

1620
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's it's been you know, rattling.

1621
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: It's it's really hit or miss. You know, it's not

1622
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: like turkeys and decoys and you know, just catching them

1623
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: in the right move at the right time, and um,

1624
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: you know it's kind of hit or miss. But but

1625
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's a fun way to do it,

1626
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's the best time of year for it. Yeah,

1627
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: So what about with the grunning and calling? Do you

1628
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: do you usually start with like a light grunt and

1629
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: then get more aggressive or do you like to be

1630
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: aggressive all the time, or what kind of calls do

1631
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: you typically throw at him? I usually don't like blind

1632
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: grunt really, Like I feel like, you know, like a

1633
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: deer has to be pretty close to hear you grunting,

1634
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: and unless he was just like standing still and happened

1635
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: to hear. But so I usually don't you know, brought

1636
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: blunt or all right, grunt blindly. Um. But but yeah,

1637
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's like tonight, I was like

1638
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: the buck that we saw. I had a decoy out

1639
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: tonight and so I saw you got guys got eyes

1640
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: on the buck and saw him, and uh, I was

1641
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, see what he was doing. I

1642
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 1: was kind of observing his behavior see if he seen

1643
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: the decoy yet, and he hadn't, and so I was

1644
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: trying to get an attention until like I'm grunting, grunting,

1645
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,799
Speaker 1: and he's like a hundred fifty yards wouldn't that Wendy

1646
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: like pretty calm and uh, I'm gonna have my my vine.

1647
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: I was up with my right hand and the grunt

1648
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: tabe of my left hand like because I I have

1649
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: to like just see him when I when I do

1650
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: ground and see he hears me. I grounded, grunted, grounded, grounded,

1651
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: and he like didn't hear anything. I like, okay, I'm

1652
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait till he like stops speeding and

1653
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: wrestling around so he doesn't grind and he finally heard me.

1654
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: So I stopped see if he saw the decoy. And

1655
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: so I think the key to a lot of the

1656
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: key to calling a lot of times it's like it's

1657
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: watching the behavior of the deer and seeing how they react. Um,

1658
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: because you don't want to overcall, you know what I mean.

1659
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: It depends obviously what you know areas you're hunting in

1660
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: f the dear pressured him and called to a lot

1661
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: and um and all that, but you have observing the

1662
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: behavior and being able to adapt, I think is the

1663
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: is the key for for calling in the dear. Yeah,

1664
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I feel like for me so

1665
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: many times it's if if you want to see them

1666
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: show sign that they heard it right. You want to

1667
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: know at least they heard the grunt, and then that's

1668
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: like step one. If they know that there's something going on,

1669
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: and then maybe I'll give him like one more chance.

1670
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: And if they don't, if they show a negative reaction

1671
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: and it's not if it's not the reaction I'm looking for,

1672
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: at that point, I usually just cann't. But I do

1673
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 1: find sometimes where you get you get their attention, maybe

1674
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: with a basic grunt and they're looking and they're kind

1675
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: of interested, maybe take a step or two towards you,

1676
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: but then stop and then turn back and maybe make

1677
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: a scrape or just keep standing and look in the

1678
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: other direction. Though that's when I might throw like a

1679
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 1: more aggressive snort weez or something. If it's a mature buck,

1680
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 1: then I think might respond to that. Um. But but yeah,

1681
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: the body language reading that, I mean, that's that's the

1682
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: whole game right there. I think more than more important

1683
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: than the noises you're making is just knowing when to

1684
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: make them and whatnot to. I think, yeah, yeah, and

1685
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: all it all depends. Like I said, it's literally the

1686
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: mood like the buck tonight. You know, I called to him,

1687
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: he heard it, he looked. I felt like he should

1688
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 1: have been able to see the decoy, but he must

1689
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: not have been able to and he just didn't care.

1690
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: I watched him flick his tail looked either way, kind

1691
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: of start feed off, and like in my head, I

1692
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: was like, man like, all right, I'm just I'm done.

1693
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him walk. Uh, this is the this

1694
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: is my first day today, uh where I'm at in Kansas.

1695
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: So like, you know, I don't want to get a

1696
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: grass and I don't want to educate him. I don't

1697
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: want to you know, push it. So I just let

1698
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: him walk and I said, well, you know, we'll make

1699
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: an adjustment moving on him tomorrow when the wind switches

1700
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: and and try something different. So um, you know, all

1701
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: depend on the situation. But I'm trying to think if

1702
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 1: I've ever had a time where I got real desperate

1703
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: and like like called a bunch like more than you

1704
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: probably should have and at work, And I don't think

1705
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: I've had that ever happened. So yeah, I definitely I've

1706
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: definitely had sometimes where I call it too much because

1707
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: I was desperate and had it not worked though, Oh yeah, yeah,

1708
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: that yeah, that's exactly that'sought A few circumstances or that

1709
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: has happened. But it's easy to do that though too,

1710
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: Like you so badly want that buck to come in,

1711
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: like you can see him, he's right there, Like the

1712
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: opportunity feels like it's so close, and you're like, well,

1713
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: maybe just one more we'll do it and he'll be

1714
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: right here and I'll know when dreams will come true.

1715
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 1: But it usually doesn't go that way. Yeah, yeah, you

1716
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: never know. Never, you never know you miss it, you

1717
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: miss it. How the percent of the shots that you

1718
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: don't take mark that that's true? That is true? You

1719
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: so with with that kind of sage wisdom, Like when

1720
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: you're when you're looking back at this hunt for both

1721
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: of vice, is there anything that stood out to you?

1722
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've had any time to reflect

1723
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: on it yet to think through the hunt in all

1724
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: the years even hunting him, But is there anything that

1725
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: stands out like as the moment or as like you know,

1726
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: this thing I did or this decision I made was

1727
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: really like the crux of it that really was the

1728
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 1: key to it all coming together. Is there anything that

1729
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: stands out is like your big aha moment or or

1730
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: something you could point to you like that. Yeah, I

1731
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: mean it was. It was literally just quit being so

1732
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: cautious and and and it's make a move and do it.

1733
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: And um, it's hard. It's hard because, like like I said,

1734
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: we just I just I hate the thought of bumping deer,

1735
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: spooking the deer. I hate the thought of you know,

1736
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: messing stuff up. When we can sit back, you know,

1737
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: hunt smart, play the wind, do everything right and be successful. Um,

1738
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: but during the rut, like it's just it's it's it's

1739
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: there's so much it's out of your control. Like the

1740
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: deer are on a pattern. They're not regularly that you know,

1741
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: they may be in a certain area, but like they

1742
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 1: literally if they don't have a dough they're just cruising,

1743
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: just looking and so like you know, it's it's it's

1744
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: weird because everything it's not with it's not within your

1745
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 1: control like it is early mate season. It's literally there

1746
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: you have to be lucky. Like early late season, you

1747
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: can just be good and understand how deer move and

1748
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: understand what they're doing, and you can kill deer in

1749
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: the rut, it doesn't matter. You have to be lucky.

1750
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: You have to be in the right spot at the

1751
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: right time. And so it's easy for people to get frustrated.

1752
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: And you and I talked about that not too long ago,

1753
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 1: and then just all of us, you know, we were

1754
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: Scott and I were talking about the other day like

1755
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a grind. It's it's the rut grind.

1756
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: Like we're not sleeping much, we're you know, living in

1757
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: a tree, spending time out there. And it's great. You know,

1758
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 1: it's exciting, it's a fun time of year, but it

1759
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: can you can get so frustrating because it's just like, man,

1760
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: like you just you know, you're doing everything you can

1761
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: and you just have to get lucky. So I don't like,

1762
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't like relying on luck. Yeah, but you're happy, yeah,

1763
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: and just putting yourself in a position to get lucky, right,

1764
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: just putting in the time and being in those places

1765
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 1: where it might just happen to work out. And that

1766
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: is the name of the game at this time of year.

1767
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, Skyler, you uh, I don't know if

1768
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: it's luck or not, but whatever you had going for you,

1769
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: something certainly went right for you recently too. Um. Holy shit,

1770
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: that was that is a buck. That was Skylar's. That

1771
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: was Skylar's first in the true Buck siding of November. Right,

1772
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this season, the whole season, maybe it's

1773
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: it's been pretty bad man. So so what was your

1774
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 1: what what was the plan and thought process then? As

1775
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: the rut was kicking off for you? If if you've

1776
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: been struggling that much not seeing mature deer, what were

1777
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: things like leading up to this hunt? Well, yeah, we'd

1778
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: hunted so hard since basically just right there prior to Halloween.

1779
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 1: A few days we had some nice cooler weather and

1780
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: just still never saw any mature bucks on their feet.

1781
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: Love trying to get one early like that, whenever you

1782
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: get to weather, fronts come in and I just didn't

1783
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: see it happen. And then November one rolls around and

1784
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: Clayton and I were playing on hitting it pretty hard

1785
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: between Kansas and Missouri. We tried Kansas first for a

1786
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: few days and it just wasn't happening. We were seeing deer,

1787
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: but never the right one. UM. A couple of three

1788
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: year olds um that we were wanting to pass. Never

1789
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: even had a chance to pass them. They weren't bow

1790
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: range but off in the distance, and even tried some

1791
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: calling and just like you guys touched on they they

1792
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: kind of and interested, and I wasn't going to throw

1793
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 1: the kitchen sink at them anyway because I didn't want

1794
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: to shoot him. But um, we ended up having like

1795
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: a three day window where we want to switch things

1796
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: up headed northern Missouri and drive a few hours and

1797
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: get up there. And we had north winds, which is

1798
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: which are the best winds for the two spots that

1799
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: we have up there, And really was just planning on

1800
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 1: sitting in this one funnel in particular, have this place

1801
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: for about teen years now and have to stand there

1802
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: about seven years now, I think, um, and just know

1803
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: that it's it's just a good rut funnel. There's a

1804
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: north and south ditch. It's super deep, and the deer

1805
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: do not want to cross it like it would it's terrible.

1806
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: They want to go around it. And we're sitting at

1807
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: the top of a ridge, um, and then looking across another.

1808
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: Then down at the bottom is where they kind of

1809
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: crossed and get around it. So it's forty yards down

1810
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: to the bottom and bow range whether or not they

1811
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: just decided to go north and south, but if they

1812
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: crossed it and kind of go east and west movement,

1813
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: then they're coming by the stand pretty close and so UM,

1814
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: we ended up just kind of going off of you

1815
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 1: know where it's the rut. Let's just put our time

1816
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: into this funnel and see what happens. The first morning,

1817
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: we saw one dough in the stand, the same stand

1818
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I end up killing out of just two days later

1819
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: saw one dough. That evening we tried another farm and

1820
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: saw nothing. So we're sitting there and saw one deer.

1821
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: Uh you know, first week in November, and just like

1822
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:39,480
Speaker 1: that's I mean, come on seriously. And so the next day, UM,

1823
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: we sat in the stand I ended up killing in. UM.

1824
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: The morning and the evening we saw some decent rut

1825
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: activities from small box chasing. Does We actually kind of

1826
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: got into some It was felt kind of good and uh.

1827
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: And then that evening we only saw I think one

1828
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: small buck in the dough and so it was kind

1829
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: of slow that evening and we debating about going home

1830
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: because we're kind of have like a Northeast twin and

1831
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: we had a couple of spots down in Kansas. We

1832
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: were just going to drive a couple of hours and

1833
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: possibly hunt in Kansas. UM, just one more day before

1834
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I had to go to family deer camp in Missouri,

1835
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, we're already up here in

1836
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: we're in the tree. It's getting dark because we're gonna

1837
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: leave our stuff in the tree and hunt the next morning.

1838
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,759
Speaker 1: We're trying to make a call, and uh, we're already

1839
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: up here. Let's try one more time tomorrow morning. And

1840
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, we gave it our best shot. So we

1841
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: ended up leaving our stuff in the tree. And then

1842
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,719
Speaker 1: later that night I was going through trail camera photos

1843
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: and I had done this prior UM and I knew

1844
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: based on last year, that every couple of days in

1845
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: November there was a sheer buck in the daylight um

1846
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: sometimes more often than that even and so I was like, man,

1847
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: if we can just get in there, and so this

1848
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: would be our third straight morning in that set, and

1849
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: I would think within that time frame we would see

1850
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: a shooter, maybe not get a shot, but at least

1851
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: see one across the ridge and call or something. And uh,

1852
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: so we go back in the next morning. But I

1853
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: skipped this part. I should mention it. That night I

1854
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: was looking at it UM and I saw pictures of

1855
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 1: this year that the number one buck up there that

1856
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: I had in he was there the morning of November eight,

1857
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: and that would be one year to the day the

1858
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: next morning, and I checked these guys on the HB

1859
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: group text and said, like, I gotta I gotta breakfast

1860
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 1: reservation with have a long tomorrow morning. And so just

1861
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: kind of joking, of course, what they odds. He does

1862
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: it again. And so we get into that same stand

1863
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: and we had some decent movement and saw a couple

1864
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: of small cruisers go bias with the bow range right

1865
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: off the bat. So I'm like feeling good. And then

1866
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: two different groups of those filtered through maybe within thirty

1867
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 1: forty minutes of each other, and then it got pretty

1868
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 1: quiet and went from the deer I'm guessing maybe at

1869
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: least an hour, maybe in an hour and a half.

1870
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I was getting late in the morning. We were talking

1871
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: about going home and how depressed we were going to

1872
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: be because it's November eight. We found an eight days

1873
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: straight and haven't seen the shooter buck, and I said,

1874
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: we gotta go by ten. It's ninety five, and I

1875
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: look up and I catch a flash across the ridge

1876
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: like eye level, like kind of a miracle even saw

1877
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 1: it really just caught my eye and put the buyos

1878
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: up on him. And to see this rack, you know,

1879
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: pick his rack up, and I knew it was him

1880
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 1: right away, and just from that point on I and

1881
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I knew right where he was. He was coming down

1882
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: this trail that was going to come down to the

1883
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: bottom or sides head earlier. So I immediately reached from

1884
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: my bow and a minute or two ended up passing.

1885
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: After I got my bow, I couldn't find him again,

1886
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: and I started thinking maybe he left and turned around

1887
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: and went the other way or something. But then I

1888
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 1: finally caught a glimpse of him. As soon as he

1889
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: gets down to the bottom, he'd say he's probably fifty

1890
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: or sixty. He's not quite down to the bottom. I

1891
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I get the full draw because I know this is

1892
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: a really big buck, and I'm going to get the

1893
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,520
Speaker 1: first chance to add him, like the first shot opportunity.

1894
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot. I'm I'm comfortable shooting, you know, forty

1895
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: plus if I have to. And so I'm at full drags,

1896
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:01,919
Speaker 1: and and he's coming down to the bottom. He stops

1897
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: before he's down there, maybe fifty, kind of looks around, licks,

1898
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: licks his nose, trying to decide which way he goes,

1899
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: comes five yards closer, does it all again, but this

1900
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: time like if he goes right, I'm kind of in jail,

1901
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: and I'm looking ahead. Some does have gone that way,

1902
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Like if he decides to go that way, I'm gonna

1903
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 1: thread the needle. Um. And then about that time he

1904
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: decided to just pick his head up and he gets

1905
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: down to the bottom. This time he's the wide wide open,

1906
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 1: and he just flipped a switch and starts at a

1907
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: full jog and starts coming up the trail that's gonna

1908
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 1: come ten yards by the stand towards the top of

1909
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: the ridge where we're at, And I ended up stopping

1910
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: at thirteen yards. And uh, at this point it was

1911
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: exactly ninety seconds at full draw, which I think was

1912
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: a blessing in the end, because I wasn't focused on

1913
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 1: his rack at all, just a hundred percent of the

1914
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: shot um and looking back and seeing the video now,

1915
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: it's he's he almost looks fake. It's it's crazy. Yeah.

1916
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,719
Speaker 1: If I hadn't drawn so early, I think I maybe

1917
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: would have lost it, and uh, it might not have

1918
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: ended out so well. But at thirteen yards I got

1919
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: him real good and and ended up seeing him go

1920
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: down in sight, and it was just pretty much madness.

1921
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 1: After that, I knew it was the biggest buck I've

1922
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: ever shot, and so we were celebrating, and I called

1923
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: my papa all right after that, maybe maybe not even

1924
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: a minute two after I shot him. I just he

1925
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: shot a deer years ago when I was a kid

1926
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: in the one sevenies, and I always dreamed of shoot

1927
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: one like that ever since. And uh I dialed the

1928
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: line and got him on there and shared that moment

1929
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: with him. And I'm looking back at Clayton and I've

1930
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: been known to cry one time when I called my

1931
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: dad after I shot a buck, and he is literally

1932
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 1: bawling in the stand behind the camera, and uh, I

1933
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: wish I had a camera on him. I'll never forget it.

1934
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: It it's making me get, you know, super emotional. And

1935
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: so it was a cool moment to share with with

1936
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: my papa Al and then Clayton, you know, getting so

1937
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: worked up over it, and then eventually walking up to him, Uh,

1938
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: I could hardly believe my eyes. He's he is a

1939
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: whopper of an eight poinyer. So yeah, that's crazy. Like

1940
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: it's like we like Scott has had pictures of him,

1941
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 1: had you know, had pictures of them last year and

1942
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 1: this year, like we all knew, you know, you can

1943
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: see in the pictures like it's a big deer, but

1944
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,640
Speaker 1: you never it was weird. He's a weird deer. Like

1945
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: it's like he looks almost cartoon and it's it's like,

1946
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, he looked like he had a you know,

1947
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 1: really nice rack and a tiny body, but in reality

1948
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: he had a big body and a giant rack. Like

1949
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: it's just really proportionate, and like the mass, the time, length,

1950
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: the beams, it's really all proportionate. And so it's like

1951
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: one of those deals where it's just like you you

1952
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: just you can't really appreciate it until you see it

1953
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: kind of in person. Instance. M Lou Yeah, I mean

1954
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,759
Speaker 1: you see like a ten point or eleven or twelve

1955
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: point Boon and Crockett ba can those things have huge

1956
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: frames on them, but then you put those kind of

1957
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: inches on an eight point frame and I just I

1958
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,560
Speaker 1: can't even imagine. I can't even imagine. I mean, just

1959
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: does the frame of this steers dwarf anything else you

1960
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: guys have seen before? Uh? Yeah, yeah. I had a

1961
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,719
Speaker 1: buddy over last night who saw it for the first time,

1962
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: and then we had a fish for I actually with

1963
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: our taxidermists Bruce and and he saw it too, and

1964
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: just he had school plated it for me and we

1965
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: had it there at his house and just eyeball on

1966
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 1: it and just the people that see it for the

1967
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: first time can hardly believe their eyes that it really is.

1968
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: Like I had to use that line before to Mike,

1969
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: just like a cartoon character, like you drew them up

1970
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: and it's like this fake out of this world deer

1971
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: like it's really bizarre. It still hardly feels real, Like

1972
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: he's just a monster frame with this time length and

1973
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 1: mass that carries alway to the end of his times.

1974
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 1: It's and you don't get any credit for that in

1975
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 1: the score, which uh, I've never really cared too much about.

1976
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: But um man, he's he's special. He's one of the

1977
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: kind of once in a lifetime for sure. Yeah, what

1978
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: was what was the score? I missed that. What the

1979
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: growth score was? Um I got a gross score around

1980
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: one three, and then my buddy last got one a

1981
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: D two, so we were within one inch of each other,

1982
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: a little less than an inch when you consider the

1983
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: eighth I haven't had anyone like of officially score, and

1984
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 1: I've been in the talks with the guy about that

1985
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 1: he's going to do that soon, just just a rough

1986
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: score because there's a sixty day drying period. But I

1987
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: think I'm pretty close, especially since my buddy, who's pretty

1988
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: good about it. Uh, we got within an inch of

1989
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: each other, so he he definitely grosses over. I can

1990
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: say that confidently. And then the net scores decently less.

1991
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: He's got a couple of kickers that are really cool

1992
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 1: kickers actually below his brawd times UM that add up

1993
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,520
Speaker 1: to be five inches, which really hurts his net score UM,

1994
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: which is flirting with around one seventy one seventies. And

1995
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: uh but a book, you know, and and that and

1996
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: net booner eight pointers almost unheard of, so um to me,

1997
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: to me, so I can't hardly believe that the same

1998
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, no, Its like I think we're all

1999
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: on the same page, like like we don't nobody really

2000
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: cares that much about the score of a the year,

2001
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: so to speak. But it just kind of helps put

2002
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 1: things into perspective, and like it's unreal, like I mean

2003
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 1: that that's a giant, Like I mean, I don't even

2004
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: know if you looked up like like we we were

2005
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: looking at like eight point record, like the the biggest

2006
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: eight points in the world. And then I think they're

2007
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: all gun kills. I don't even know what the biggest

2008
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: bok kill eight pointer is, so it could be the biggest.

2009
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 1: It could be the biggest Bok point in the in

2010
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: the books. Man. I just I just imagined my my

2011
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: vision of what the tree stay it looked like after

2012
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: that shot was just you and Clinton screaming at the

2013
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 1: top of your lungs back and forth to together do

2014
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 1: when you're here we go thing, here we go, just

2015
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 1: doing that over and over. That's funny. Hey, you know,

2016
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: it's America. It's a miracle that Scott I was in

2017
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: the stand past nine, say that is that right? Yeah? Yeah?

2018
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: I usually get back in front of computer and get

2019
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: work done from home, so yeah, you know, yeah, I

2020
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: was struggle. It was it was our last last sit

2021
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: of the trip. Like we were literally just soon there,

2022
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: like this trip home is gonna be the worst, Like

2023
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 1: eight days and no shooters on this trip in Kansas

2024
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:44,640
Speaker 1: or Missouri and like not even all see either, like it.

2025
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: And we put in the time in October and I

2026
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: kind an out of state trip in North Dakota, like

2027
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 1: come on, what's going on? And then just like that,

2028
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean and we talked about it too in our

2029
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: group text like you can't you can't get too down

2030
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 1: and discourage because it could change in the matter seconds.

2031
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 1: And you know the right though to come by Either

2032
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: you're in in him or you're not. It's chaos or

2033
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: it's not. We just we're hanging our hats on that

2034
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: and just be in the right funnel and putting our

2035
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 1: time in and hoping it would pay off. And he

2036
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 1: he came by all by himself, just just cruising. I

2037
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: never called, I never never did anything, just you know,

2038
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 1: just got lucky and stay a little later than normal.

2039
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Like Mike said, I'm glad that worked out. Um. I

2040
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting though that he was there

2041
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: exactly one year to the day beforehand. Um, exactly that

2042
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: annual that annual pattern. It's something that so many people

2043
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: I talked to now point to is something that they're

2044
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 1: seeing more and more and keying in on that and knowing,

2045
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: like if I got a picture of this buck in

2046
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: this area on November eighth last year, I'm specifically going

2047
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: to be in that area again the seventh, eighth, ninth,

2048
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: somewhere around there, if the conditions are right. Is that

2049
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 1: something you guys have seen in other instances, I've I've

2050
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 1: heard the same thing. Um actually watching the Jury show,

2051
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 1: they've touched on that and stuff. And I started kind

2052
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: of painting a little more attention to it afterwards, and

2053
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: even just this year, like I was like, man, we

2054
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 1: got that north win for three days. Let's go up

2055
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,759
Speaker 1: there and setting those two funnels, like and I remember

2056
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:16,600
Speaker 1: going through the folder. Mike was up there. He was

2057
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: with me in January. We pulled the card last year

2058
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't even hunt the farm last year, like

2059
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 1: I put him up in July. We pulled. We shot

2060
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: a dough in January. Mike and I out there and

2061
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 1: we're looking at the pictures on the drive home, like, um,

2062
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: there was just incredible movement in that area in November,

2063
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: and let's just try it. And sure enough one year

2064
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: to the day this in particular that you know, I

2065
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: would have shot other deer, of course, but he did

2066
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: it again. I'm glad he did. Mike. Have you seen

2067
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: any of those annual patterns? Yeah, absolutely, it's crazy, like, uh,

2068
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 1: probably not as much, like I don't know, like in

2069
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: November and stuff, like it's funny, like we have deer

2070
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 1: that that every year, like will show up on our

2071
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: property like around October or like like like Deptember, like

2072
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 1: they said their raiment kind of deal. They move and

2073
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: almost to the day. Like we had a deer pretty

2074
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: like a really cool deer. Were called flat Top because

2075
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: the first time I ever got pictures of him, it

2076
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: was like the middle of October. He showed up, was

2077
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: I think he was like a three year old maybe,

2078
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: and showed up and had nothing of the main beams,

2079
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: like his G two and three were broke off on

2080
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 1: both sides of an eight wire. The next year showed

2081
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: up and think he was the main frame ten and

2082
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: had like half of his times broke off on the

2083
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 1: left side and all of them on his right side.

2084
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,639
Speaker 1: Like he must have like a calcium deficiency or something.

2085
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: But we called him flat Top because he was just

2086
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: always busted up and and uh we had him every

2087
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 1: year and it was within three or four days that

2088
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 1: he would show up on our property and uh for

2089
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: for three three to four different years. So um, it's

2090
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 1: funny how they just like they just know when the

2091
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: time of year that the you know, the the amount

2092
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 1: of daylight changes and stuff gets shifting around. They just

2093
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: they know and they move around and go to the

2094
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,560
Speaker 1: different areas, and then you have bucks that are you know,

2095
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 1: they're all different personalities. You've got the bucks that are

2096
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 1: like homebodies that are living a tiny core area and

2097
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 1: they don't really leave there all year long, and so

2098
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting to see, um, you know, how

2099
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:16,639
Speaker 1: different deer move and and and then shift around differently

2100
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: during that throughout the year. I'm glad. I'm glad you

2101
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: said that Mike like this buck in particular. I had

2102
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 1: pictures of him last year for the first time in

2103
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: late October, and when you know October, I think October

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Speaker 1: it was like the first time you shoot up this year.

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01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they anywhere, you know, late October, within a

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01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 1: few days of each other. And we've talked about that too,

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Speaker 1: Like we know, I've had numerous Bucks, and I know

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Speaker 1: numerous people who have had the same scenario where the

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Speaker 1: deer shows up within the same week time time frame,

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01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: like basically every year. And so he was already kind

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Speaker 1: of reading the script from last year, which led me

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01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: to believe if we could get a few days in

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01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: the stand, we might see him, you know. So I

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01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to that for sure. Yeah, So

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01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 1: would you point to, well, would you point to this

2116
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:05,440
Speaker 1: whole idea, that this being taking advantage of annual patterns

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01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 1: or something else if you had to, kind of to

2118
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 1: the point that I asked, I asked Mike about his hunt,

2119
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: if you could point to any element of this hunt

2120
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: or this season, or some decision you made or something

2121
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: that was was the most important thing that led to

2122
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: this all coming together for you? What would you point to?

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01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: I'd say two things. Number One that looking back into

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01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: seeing the movement through a particular area based on your

2125
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 1: cameras and even observations when you hint them there. Um,

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01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 1: I was definitely leaning on that when we made the

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01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 1: trip before even you know, that was one of the

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01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: deciding factors, Like we've got north winds for three days,

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01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: let's go up there and put in the time. And

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01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:44,799
Speaker 1: even though we didn't see but one year the first day,

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01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 1: and then pretty decent of the second day and then

2132
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 1: the third day, it all came together. Um. And then

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01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: the fact that just in general the first eight days

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01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 1: and then even before that in October with some cold fronts,

2135
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: like we just had not seen a shooter and let

2136
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 1: alone in bow range, like just nothing, and so um,

2137
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 1: just trying your best not to get discouraged and just

2138
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: to put in the time when you can, because it's

2139
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 1: it could all change in the matter of seconds. We

2140
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 1: talked about it in our group text. I know I

2141
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:15,759
Speaker 1: already said this, but like, it can all change so quickly.

2142
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of having the right jo in

2143
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 1: your area. And the next thing you know, you've got

2144
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 1: a a parade of bucks. You know, you've got ten

2145
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 1: bucks coming through there in an hour or two time frame,

2146
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:27,759
Speaker 1: like because they caught her scent. And it's just chaos

2147
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden right in front of you. So

2148
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: either you're in them or not. And we were not

2149
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 1: in them for a week straight and then bam, you know,

2150
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 1: a buck of a lifetime shows up. So yeah, yeah,

2151
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I'm always trying to remind

2152
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 1: myself of that too. It's it's more than anything else

2153
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 1: this time of year. I feel it's almost just the

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01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 1: mental side of things. You know, Can you just just

2155
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: mentally tough a out? Yeah, it's it's it's you definitely

2156
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: play play mental games. I mean you just I mean

2157
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: you sit You're sitting in a stand I doll like

2158
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,600
Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours on end, and you

2159
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: get exhausted, you're your mentally physically lost, you're tired. Um.

2160
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 1: You know, contrary to what everybody thinks, none of us

2161
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 1: hunt for a living necessarily. You know, we all still

2162
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 1: have obligations outside of hunting. So um, you know, it's

2163
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: it's just the stress of everything kind of coming down

2164
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: in So it's easy to get down and and and

2165
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: discourage and worn out and um. But literally you look

2166
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 1: over your shoulders one minute and the next minute you

2167
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: look over and here comes a big buck. So you

2168
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: just never know. Yeah, I'm hoping for some of that

2169
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 1: because I've had a tough run and coming market coming buddy. Tomorrow,

2170
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,879
Speaker 1: Tomorrow I'll be my fifteenth day in a row without

2171
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: getting my running buck yet, So hoping it's gonna happen.

2172
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 1: You're even, You're even in the playing field, right, Yes,

2173
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: that's true. Tomorrow I will be extending my range by

2174
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 1: a significant market. So yeah, that's a big difference to there.

2175
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: That will help you. Yeah. Usually I usually I stick

2176
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 1: to the sticking stream, but today or this year, I'm

2177
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: screw it. I need something's gotta hit the Yeah, so

2178
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:16,679
Speaker 1: smart will be interesting. Um, I got one final question.

2179
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I guarantee if you shoot

2180
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,759
Speaker 1: one tomorrow with you gun, you'll be just as pumped

2181
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 1: as you would be if you shot out with the bow. Yeah,

2182
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,280
Speaker 1: I'll be after all the time you put it, I

2183
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 1: will be a happy camper, that's for sure. Um. So

2184
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 1: I got one final question for you guys. You're one

2185
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: best piece of advice for hunting the second half of November,

2186
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of people when they

2187
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,719
Speaker 1: think about the rut, they're thinking just the first couple

2188
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: of weeks, but there is a whole lot going on

2189
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 1: in the second half. Um, some people they'll start to

2190
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 1: fizzle out. They get tired out, worn out, or holidays

2191
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: and different things like that. Um, what would what would

2192
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: your words of encouragement or advice be? Uh? I guess, Mike,

2193
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 1: if you want to kick it off first for these

2194
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, Uh, my piece of advice would

2195
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: be to go to Texas because that's what I'm doing.

2196
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm getting I really, I really am. But uh no, Yeah,

2197
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: it's tough because like, yeah, especially as states like Missouri,

2198
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: Nebraska states to have their gun season in the middle

2199
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 1: of November, and man, it makes it tough. Like you know,

2200
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: the ruts should be really really strong on the on

2201
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 1: the tail end when you know, when there's less does

2202
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: and heat and there's more competition again and uh, in

2203
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: Missouri it's just so subdued because the deer are just

2204
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 1: so pressured, you know, from the gun season and so um,

2205
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 1: it can be difficult. But I've definitely had some good hunts, uh,

2206
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,640
Speaker 1: you know past you know, the middle of November, the

2207
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: third week in November and so um. But like you said,

2208
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it touches on people being

2209
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 1: worn out and you know mentally, and it's hard to

2210
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:01,680
Speaker 1: get get into it. And um, but back to the

2211
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 1: whole the whole rough thing is like you just gotta

2212
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: put in your time and and eventually it's gonna work out.

2213
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: So um, I just you know, you just got to

2214
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,679
Speaker 1: be in the right place at the right time because

2215
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: it's the right buck cruising for a dough or the

2216
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,719
Speaker 1: right buck on a hot dough, and that that happens

2217
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: and the compass should be getting you know, picking back

2218
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 1: up after the after the peak. What would you say, Scotling,

2219
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: I'd say a couple of things. Um, definitely don't overlook that.

2220
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 1: The end of November. I like it just as as much,

2221
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 1: or maybe even better. I think they start to get

2222
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 1: desperate at that time. There's only a few doughs maybe left,

2223
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: and they're walking in the daylight more and more trying

2224
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: to find them. And uh, you know, I'm fortunate to

2225
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 1: be able to hunt Kansas and the gun season hasn't

2226
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 1: started yet, so there's not quite that pressure that Mike

2227
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 1: just touched on in Missouri, and so we get a

2228
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 1: lot of activity in our show cameras and have had

2229
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 1: some good luck in late November. So don't get too

2230
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: discouraged and maybe even save some days right now when

2231
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: it's brutally cold cold out like it is right now.

2232
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 1: We're hunting in the single temp digits in the fields

2233
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: like with the windshield, and it's just it's just brutal

2234
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 1: out there. Like I've questioned our sanity. Um, you know,

2235
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: just just maybe we shouldn't hunt now and try a

2236
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 1: little harder a couple of days next week that we

2237
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,520
Speaker 1: weren't planning on trying that sort of thing. So definitely

2238
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: don't overlook the end of the month. I it's it

2239
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 1: could be really good. And then I actually like hunting

2240
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 1: a little more back on the food plots almost like

2241
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 1: it's early season or late season, like the does tend

2242
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 1: to go there. They're trying to refuel from everything that's

2243
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: gone out with the rut, and uh, they're gonna come

2244
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 1: in there and check the dose out they're eating or

2245
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 1: even fill up themselves from everything that's that's been going on.

2246
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:46,400
Speaker 1: So we've had some good luck over back over cover

2247
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 1: plots or the turnip plants and stuff. So um, that's

2248
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:58,640
Speaker 1: what I would say, Well, you guys have You've revitalized

2249
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 1: me by hearing about out two guys who did get

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01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 1: it done. I feel like I now have like some

2251
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 1: good vibes back on my side, So I appreciate it much.

2252
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 1: It was much needed. I've been pretty warned out. So yeah,

2253
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:16,560
Speaker 1: discut between the two of us, I think we found it.

2254
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 1: Basically every day, I'm November and we've had two opportunities,

2255
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: three opportunities, three opportunities totals, So they just you know,

2256
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 1: they don't. It doesn't happen every day. I just gotta right,

2257
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 1: I wait for the right Now. I'm with my dad

2258
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: in Kansas right now filming him, and it's been a

2259
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: rough couple of days. I mean pretty pretty slow actually,

2260
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,719
Speaker 1: just kind of right back to it. I I's gonna

2261
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 1: attack that. But the guys is like, well, back back

2262
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 1: to the rock grind, you know, same, all same, I'll

2263
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 1: not have any luck. And Sean's like, dude, be quiet,

2264
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 1: you shot a world class buck and I'm like, I know,

2265
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: but so like, uh, I know this feeling all too much.

2266
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, well, I, UM, I want to make

2267
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 1: sure that folks listening know where they can go to

2268
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 1: see some of you guys stuff. Um, what would you

2269
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 1: guys point to as far as where folks can watch

2270
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 1: some of your your episodes, whether it be online or

2271
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 1: on TV. We're uh, we're everywhere man. Uh Facebook, Hartland

2272
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 1: bow Hunter, Instagram, Hartland bow Hunter. Uh, that's where you know.

2273
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 1: We post a lot of this as it happens kind

2274
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:27,760
Speaker 1: of stuff. And um, right now we're filming for kind

2275
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: of Hard to Believe It film for our twelve the

2276
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 1: twelfth season of our show. So the new season will

2277
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 1: be coming out um July of next year, and uh

2278
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 1: so that will be one of all of our stuff

2279
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 1: that we're filming now. We will air on Outdoor channel

2280
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:45,600
Speaker 1: and um, we're releasing right now content on Behind the

2281
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:47,799
Speaker 1: Draw on our YouTube channel, which is our mini series

2282
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 1: just uh, just basically short abbreviated versions of uh of

2283
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 1: the TV episodes or different content though deer hunting stuff

2284
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 1: and big game stuff. So we're releasing those weekly on

2285
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel. So um or we're trying to get

2286
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: it as much much content out there as possible everywhere

2287
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 1: we can. And um, definitely though I think you know,

2288
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: if you want to follow, you know, in the field

2289
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 1: type stuff, um, you know, follow our on our Instagram

2290
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: pages and uh, we're always trying to update that and

2291
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:22,559
Speaker 1: keep keep as much information out there as possible. So yeah,

2292
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 1: what about your Do you share your personal instagrams to

2293
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,600
Speaker 1: the world or is that trick? I feel like you

2294
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 1: love stories? Yeah, so I mean yeah, actually, um, we

2295
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 1: do more stories on our personal pages than we do

2296
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:40,120
Speaker 1: on the on the HP page, um, on Instagram, So

2297
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 1: mind that. Michael Hunsucker, I think, and uh, Scott is

2298
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 1: HB Skillet nicknames Scott got Scotta got involved in the

2299
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 1: Instagram game like a couple of years later than everybody else,

2300
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 1: and so he's like, I gotta come up with a

2301
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 1: really good name. And I don't even know how skill

2302
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 1: it came about, uh, but oh I know, but know

2303
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 1: how Okay, well, let's let's hear it. Oh Joel, remember

2304
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 1: Joel and the group text He had a little something,

2305
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 1: a little a little extra drink or two and he

2306
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 1: couldn't type Skyler. He typed skillet. And that's funny because

2307
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: like my Yeah, so my nickname in our in our

2308
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 1: group texes Moke instead of Mike because yeah, he he

2309
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 1: fat fingered Mike and then said moke one time and

2310
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: then it's stuck. I guess, so that should I'm gonna

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01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 1: change my my Instagram handle that h B Moke. There

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01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 1: you go, get with the get with the times. It's

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01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 1: all about the HP then your nickname. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, Yeah,

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01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: we're all you know, all of our guys you know,

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01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,200
Speaker 1: are on the on Instagram, and yeah, we do a

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01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 1: lot more stories on our on our personal Instagram stuff,

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01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 1: and um, it's cool. It's fun to you know, kind

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01:55:57,320 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 1: of do the behind the scenes type stuff. So yeah,

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01:55:59,560 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 1: I always enjoy getting to see that stuff. So you

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01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 1: guys have been putting out some of the very best

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01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 1: content in the hunting world for a long time now,

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01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:12,120
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's kind of crazy. It's been twelve years, um,

2323
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: and you continue to do it. So I can't I

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01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 1: cannot recommend to anyone listening. I can't recommend enough checking

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01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 1: out what what Mike and Skyler and Sean the whole

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01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 1: crew are doing over HB. You guys are top notch.

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01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 1: So thank you for spending some time with you to night.

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01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah man, good good to get caught up in the

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01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 1: best of luck to you, uh close out the season, buddy.

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01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,080
Speaker 1: Thanks man, I'm gonna do my best. Good luck to

2331
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 1: you guys too. Thank you so much, thanks for having

2332
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 1: so much And that is a rap, but real quick

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01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: before I shut this thing down, and want to let

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01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: everybody know that for the first time in like six months,

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01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 1: we have Wired to Hunt merchandise back and available for sale.

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01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:59,400
Speaker 1: We've got the wired to Hunt uh flex fit hats.

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01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 1: We've got Wired Hunt trucker cats with the Wired Dunt

2338
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 1: logo on the front, kind of a camo front of

2339
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: that hat. We have two different Wired Hunt t shirts

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01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 1: available and you can get these if you go to

2341
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater dot Com go to the shop page,

2342
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 1: and then within that you're see Wired Hunt gear is

2343
01:57:16,680 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 1: going to be there in the apparel section. There's also

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01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 1: a Wired Hunt collection. You can see it all in

2345
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: that spot too. So make sure check out hats and

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01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 1: shirts are available. I had a lot of people asking

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01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 1: questions about where those went. UM took a little bit

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01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 1: of time to get things back up and running since

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01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:33,240
Speaker 1: we made the transition over to the meat Eater, but

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01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 1: it is there now, so heading over to the meat

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01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 1: eater dot com shop. I really appreciate your support. Thanks

2352
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,600
Speaker 1: for wearing that swag, and otherwise, best of luck in

2353
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: the woods. I hope you guys have been having a

2354
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 1: great rut so far, but there's still good stuff to

2355
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,520
Speaker 1: come in the future, so be out there in the

2356
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 1: tree having a good time, shoot straight, and stay wired

2357
01:57:55,600 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 1: to hunt. Atta