1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hi. This is new due to the virus. I'm recording 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: from home, so you may notice a difference in audio 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: quality on this episode of News World. The US federal 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: government and prosecutors have ramped up scrutiny into the Chinese 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: government's influenced buying an espionage operations on American campuses. From 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen, one hundred and fifteen colleges 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: have gotten monetary gifts and contracts from sources in mainland China, 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: totally nine hundred million dollars over the course of six 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: and a half years. Many of the Chinese contributions were 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: listed as coming from anonymous donors, a practice experts say 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: is an easy tactic that allows the Chinese to penetrate 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: the US education system. The issue Chinese investment in US 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: universities and the lack of transparency is alarming. How is 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: the US Congress taking action? And please to welcome my 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: guest Congressman Guy a Russian baler. He was sworn into 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: office on January third, twenty nineteen, to represent Pennsylvania's fourteenth 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: and rassionalist. He serves on the House Judiciary Committee and 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: the China Task Force. He has become a leading voice 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: in Congress on China. Congressman Guy, a Russian Baler introduced 20 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: the End Chinese Communist Citizenship Act legislation, which would prevent 21 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: members of the Chinese Communist Party from obtaining green cards. 22 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: China accounts for one third of the one point one 23 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: million foreign students according to data compiled recently by the 24 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Institute of their National Education. Guys really focused on this. 25 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifteen collegists have gotten monetary gifts and 26 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: contracts from sources of mainland China totally nine hundred million 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: dollars over the course of six and a half years. 28 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: You can see how potentially a big a deal this is. Guy, 29 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: let me ask you first, what kind of your attention 30 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: to this issue? Thanks for having me on. I really 31 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: appreciate it. You know what really got my attention of 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: China was just sitting through so many of these briefings. 33 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: Not only am I on the China Task Force, and 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm also on Foreign Affairs, and I was alarmed sitting 35 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: through these briefings hearing how the Chinese have really started 36 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: to manipulate the individuals at our colleges, in our universities, 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: how they've engaged in corporate espionage to transfer intellectual property 38 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: and advancements back to the mainland in China. And then 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: compound that with the fact that last year I was 40 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: fortunate I got to travel to not only mainly in China, 41 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: but Hong Kong and Taiwan, and I started to see 42 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: how aggressive China is, how they started to move on 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: Hong Kong, how they want to threaten Taiwan, and frankly, 44 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: how their ultimate goal is to replace the United States 45 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: and to become the dominant power in the world. As 46 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: you looked at it, and you really began to focus 47 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: in on the universities and the colleges and the way 48 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: the Chinese have penetrated American higher education. Did that strike 49 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: you as a really significant point of entry for us 50 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: beginning to try to get a grip on the Chinese 51 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: and their effort to steal intellectual property and to shape 52 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: influence inside the US. Well, yes, absolutely, I think that 53 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: the Chinese they're trying to do numerous things at once. 54 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: First and foremost, they're trying to take our advances in 55 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: everything from pharmaceuticals, artificial intelligence to quantum mechanics. They're trying 56 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: to take our advancement and send them back to mainland China. 57 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: They're also financially just ripping off the United States taxpayer. 58 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: And how they do that is this the DoD or 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: the NIH. Some federal institution will give these colleges and 60 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: universities grands or contracts to study a particular area. The 61 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: Chinese will then come in through their Thousand Talents program 62 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: and they'll start paying the students, the college professors, you 63 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: name it, and they will then take our advances that 64 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: we are funding as American taxpayers, and they'll send that 65 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: money back to China. So they're financially ripping us off, 66 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: and they're stealing all our games, so we cannot keep 67 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: on the cutting edge and the new there's an ideological 68 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: component of this. The Chinese are giving glance. They're engaging 69 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: in contracts, they're sending billions of dollars to these universities, 70 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: and they're controlling not only the research, they're also winning 71 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: the ideological war. So it's very hard for a college 72 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: or university to speak out against China or even have 73 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: anti Chinese viewpoints express in the classroom when these colleges 74 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: and universities are to a large extent financially dependent on 75 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the Chinese. Can you give us some lea examples of 76 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: a kind of influence shaping un city and yes. So 77 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: let's just look at the pandemic that came from China. 78 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: We know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was engaged 79 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: in researching biological weapons and mass destruction. We know that 80 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: the Chinese are preventing colleges and universities from studying how 81 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: that virus spread, and they're actually controlling what we can do. 82 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 1: They're also encouraging these they're called confucious classrooms, and that's 83 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: where Chinese propaganda is spread in our colleges and universities. 84 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: They also have this tremendous influence financially on our colleges universities. 85 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: We're talking about six to seven billion dollars and that's 86 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: just what we think is going unreported in money going 87 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: to these colleges and universities. One third of all the 88 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: foreign students coming to the United States are Chinese, and 89 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: they're paying one tuition to these colleges universities. So not 90 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: only are the colleges universities getting these millions, really billions 91 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: of dollars from the Chinese, they're also reliant on the 92 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: tuition payments from the Chinese students. So they've got their 93 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: talents in these colleges and universities, and they're exploiting them 94 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: and controlling them. Not only the advances they're making, they're also, 95 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: from an ideological point of view, controlling what's being taught 96 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: and what's being researched in these universities. I get the 97 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: impression that the Chinese monitor or universities probably better than 98 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: we do, without a doubt. They do the Chinese habit concept, 99 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: where it's military civilian fusion, and that's roughly what it 100 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: translates to. What that means is this, if you're a 101 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: civilian in China, you're really an asset of the Chinese military. 102 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: So when they send these students to the United States, 103 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: those students are obligated to report back to China or 104 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: sometimes they'll have handlers that are in the United States, 105 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: but they're reporting back to this Chinese Communist Party what's 106 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: being taught in these universities, and if one of their 107 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: fellow students steps out of line that's being taught in 108 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: the Chinese can put significant pressure on the family that's 109 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: back home. The parents are used as leverage really to 110 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: control these students. So we know that that's going on. 111 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: Let's just look at Quahwe for example, we know that 112 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: Huawei's sending millions of dollars to these colleges and universities. 113 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: If we allow these colleges and universities and we adopt 114 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: Huawei for our upgrades and technology, they can then use 115 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Huawei as a backdoor to just overtly spy on these 116 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: college universities and frankly all Americans for that matter, well, 117 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: always a good example speak coming the worldwide dominant figure 118 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: in five G largely because the US has been so 119 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: slow and responding to it. Here's a system which is 120 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: going to give the Chinese communist access to information gathering 121 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: on a gigantic scale. And if they end up being 122 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: embedded in many of our most advanced universities, and I 123 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: know for example that both cal Tech and MIT are 124 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: among the places that Huawei has focused on. Those are 125 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: hotbeds of very advanced research that allow the Chinese to 126 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: steal our ideas, develop them without having to pay the 127 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: research costs, and in some cases actually field them faster 128 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: than we do. So what they want to do with 129 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: Huawei is they want to use that five G network 130 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: is a way to backdoor spy on the United States 131 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: and frankly members of the world. And the Chinese ultimate 132 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: goal is to become what Saudi Arabia is to oil. 133 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: They want to be that data and we in the 134 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: West sometimes forget that data is a new frontier and 135 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: if we control the information in data that's traveling through 136 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: five G and elsewhere, that's a big deal. So if 137 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: the Chinese want to take this dominant position again like 138 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia had taken the position when it came to oil, 139 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: that's going to be a big problem because data can 140 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: be viewed as a resource and they can use that 141 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: resource not only to spile on us, but think about it. 142 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: If they have a backdoor way to control our data systems, 143 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: they can freeze data, they can manipulate it. It's a problem. 144 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: The Chinese are overtly trying to control the college and 145 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: universities through Huawei, and Huawei itself has given over twenty 146 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: million dollars to some fifteen or twenty colleges and universities 147 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: just in recent years, and that includes some of the 148 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: big universities that we're talking Berkeley, MT. Princeton, Cornell, and 149 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: these universities aren't always reporting that. So, for example, Yale 150 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: is stilled to report roughly three hundred and fifty million 151 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: dollars just in the last few years, So there might 152 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: be even more money that's coming from Huawei and the 153 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party into our colleges and universities news. So, 154 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: in addition to the research side, how concern to you 155 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: about these Confucian institutes and how do they actually work. 156 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: We're trying to look more at exactly how the Confucist 157 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: rooms work, but we think that they're using these rooms 158 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: to spread Chinese Communist propaganda, and that could be everything 159 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: from an ideological point of view to the downplaying of 160 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: events such as Tenemn Square. It's an ideological front and 161 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: what I view as a cold war on China. But 162 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: they're definitely moving to control the narrative that's being taught 163 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: in our classrooms and at the very least use those 164 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: rooms as an outlet to spread the propaganda. Do you 165 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: hear from these universities they have quote safe spaces. I 166 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: hate to refer to it as a safe space for 167 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party members that are your studying, but 168 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: it's certainly a place for them to go use these 169 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: rooms to get out information from the Chinese Party to 170 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,239 Speaker 1: distribute to American students and other students. At these institutions, 171 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: you have both this undergraduate kind of focus on what 172 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: the conversations allowed to be, and then you have a 173 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: graduate and post duct focus on finding very advanced research 174 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: to steal. I've talked both with the Department of Education 175 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: and the Department of Justice, and in both cases, I 176 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: was surprised to learn that many of these universities do 177 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: everything they can not to provide the information. Have you 178 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: had the same experience. I've had two different kinds of 179 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: experiences news. In talking to some of my university they 180 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: tell me that they don't have the resources and they 181 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: don't have the coordination with the FBI to really go 182 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: after which students have been co opted by the CCP 183 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: or have been sent here from that at PLA to 184 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: actually spy. That's one thing I'm hearing from our universities. 185 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: The other that I'm hearing is the universities don't want 186 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: to give up this information. They fought a Freedom of 187 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: Information Act requests to turn over some of the information. 188 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: But luckily the Trump administration that's forward leaning on this. 189 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of faith in Secretary Divos, and 190 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: she has started to look into this and get more information. 191 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: But one thing that I want to do, and I've 192 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: started to look at legislation new I want to see 193 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,239 Speaker 1: if we can have increased fines and penalties for professors 194 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: that fail to disclose that they're getting paid by the 195 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party. I also want to look at members 196 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: of the college's administrative staff and see what we can 197 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: do if they fail to report, because not only is 198 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: it problematic that they're working handy globs sometimes with the CCP, 199 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: getting paid by them and then sending our research back 200 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: to being in China, but just their failure to report 201 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: is enough. We don't know the true extent and the problem, 202 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: and they're breaking the laws that were written in the 203 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. I've got a bill that would stop Chinese 204 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: Communist Parties members from getting Green cards in the United States. 205 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: We need to get this bill done because we can't 206 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: allow members of the CCP to get green cards and 207 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: to become citizens of the United States because once they 208 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: gain access, they will then embed themselves in not only 209 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: are universities, but in our companies, engineering companies, tech companies, 210 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies, medical research facilities and send all that information 211 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: back to China. So we've got to be really hawkish 212 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: on that, and I'm looking forward to getting that bill. Path. 213 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: One of the reason the one to have you on 214 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: this podcast is they're just showing these terrific leadership in 215 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: taking on this issue, and I'm doing it to constructive 216 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: in a positive way and coming up with the legislative solution. 217 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: To the people who hear the podcast should call their 218 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: remember the House and urge them to co sponsor your 219 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: bill and help move your bill. In addition, what strikes me, 220 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: I'll use these apple which is going to come up 221 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: in the campaign of the University of Pennsylvania because Joe 222 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: Biden has a center there. And between twenty fourteen and 223 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen they reported fifty three contracts from China eighty 224 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: one monetary gifts. The total is seventy seven million, nine 225 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen thousand dollars from China. Now, the university 226 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily want to report all this to the American government, 227 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: but you know, the Chinese government knows it. In fact, 228 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: as all this stuff is tracked by the Chinese, they 229 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: know exactly who they're giving money to. They know why 230 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: they're giving them the money. The only people who don't 231 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: know is the American government. I am personally really incensed 232 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: that these universities think that they're somehow beyond patriotism and 233 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: that they can take money from the Chinese dictatorship not 234 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: reported and feel good about it. It just trits me 235 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: that it's totally crazy. And I'm not just picking on 236 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: the universe of Pennsylvania, but this is true in place 237 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: after place after place for funding to the University of 238 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania has risen more than threefold since the opening of 239 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: the penn Biden Center. Apparently, that jumped from thirty one 240 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: million dollars in twenty sixteen in foreign funding and University 241 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania to over one hundred million last year. That's 242 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: a lot of money to one university. So why is 243 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: it this sudden explosion of money for University of Pennsylvania 244 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: coming out of China. That's why what Secretary of Boss 245 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: announced that the Part of Education back in February twelfth, 246 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: that they're going to dig into these things and start 247 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: making these schools report accurately and frankly simply obey the law. 248 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: I think what you're doing is so important because you 249 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: and the task force you're on are beginning to pull 250 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: together the information that can really educate the American people. 251 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: Do you want to talk to us learn about how 252 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: you see the past force evolving? Yes, nude, I would 253 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: love to. And let me just say this, I think 254 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: that our focus for the last twenty years has been 255 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. I was a freshman in college 256 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: when nine to eleven happened, and clearly that changed my 257 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: worldview and it made me focus just as it did 258 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: most people on the Middle East for security. During that 259 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: twenty year period, though, we lost sight of what was 260 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: happening in Asia. And what we've seen in Asia is 261 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: a growing and adversarial China. And now I strongly believe 262 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: that our next challenge is going to come between the 263 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: West led by the United States in China, and you 264 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: can see China getting more aggressive. Just this week, they 265 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: killed twenty Indian soldiers along the border between China and India. 266 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: And this wasn't some friendly fire incident. Some reports that 267 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: they beat these soldiers with baths that had nails in them. 268 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: We know they've taken moves in the Spratley Islands. We 269 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: know that they're trying to block our access to the 270 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: South China Sea. They're trying to erode our relationships with 271 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: our allies in the East, Japan, Vietnam, Singapore, Australia. They're 272 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: trying to undermine those relationships, and they've become increasingly hostile 273 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: in Hong Kong. They started to crush the Hong Kong 274 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: Freedom Fighters. They've ram through legislation that takes over the 275 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: security of Hong Kong, despite the tree they signed with 276 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: Great Britain. So we know China is getting more aggressive. 277 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: They're already an adversary, but we're certainly going to be 278 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: in conflict with them, at least in an economic and 279 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: diplomatic sense. What the Chinese Passports is designed to do 280 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: is it's designed to look at this emerging threat in 281 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: this problem and come up with legislative solutions for that problem. Now, 282 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: I commend the Republican leader Kevin McCarthy for having the 283 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: foresight to put this together early on this year. He 284 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: tried to work with Nancy Pelosi and get this to 285 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: be a bipartist in committee. That thought was we'd have 286 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: four or five Republicans, four or five Democrats, Chairman Angle 287 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: and ranking Member McCall would lead the task Force, and 288 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi sat on her hands, she did not move forward. 289 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: So Leader McCarthy, to his credit, said, we're gonna stan 290 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 1: this committee up. We're gonna have fifteen Republicans. It's going 291 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: to be led by Ranking Member McCall and we're gonna 292 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: take the leadership. But our ultimate goal is this, we 293 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: want to have a group of Republicans that are committed 294 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: to addressing the issues with China. We've got five different pillars, 295 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: everything from how to combat them in education, to military 296 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: threats to ideological threats, and we're going to come up 297 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: with solutions, and we're going to come up with legislation, 298 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: and then we're going to introduce that legislation, and if 299 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: we can't get it passed this year with Speaker Pelosi, 300 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: we're certainly going to get it passed in twenty twenty 301 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: one when we have Speaker Kevin McCarthy. I couldn't agree more. 302 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: This is a little bit like the period in nineteen 303 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: forty five and nineteen fifty where we had to come 304 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: to groups with the nature of the Soviet Union and 305 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: the fact that it wasn't going to be the ally 306 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: we had hoped it would be, and it wasn't going 307 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: to keep its words. We're faced with a very aggressive 308 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist dictatorship, and I want to ask you about that, 309 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: because you were going through a list which I agree 310 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: with entirely, about different manifestations of their aggressiveness. Why do 311 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: you think under Zisian Thing, who's the General secretary of 312 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party, why do you think they have 313 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: become so substantially more aggressive than they were ten years ago. 314 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: There's so many reasons, but what it comes down to 315 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: is this. And forgive me if I get a little 316 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: ideological here, but they're controlled by ideology. We have President 317 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: ge I actually would like to call him dictator because 318 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: he's made himself president for life. He's now the most 319 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: powerful leader China has seen since arguably now. And Gene 320 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: is more Communist than the Chinese Communist Party. He is 321 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: a true believer. He's an ideo lot and what he 322 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: wants to do is he wants to really take Lennon's 323 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: idea to move it forward. He views himself as the 324 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: vanguard of the communist movements. We sometimes in the West 325 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: seem to downplay ideology. The Chinese Communist Party does not. 326 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: It truly believes in the Marxist Leninist thoughts of revolution, 327 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: spreading the movement. But why he is so motivated, Why 328 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: presidentcys so motivated his desk. After Teneman Square, China learned 329 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: a lesson that it takes about twenty years for the 330 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: world to forget about transgression. So it took about twenty 331 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: years to the world to really back off the atrocity 332 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: that was Tannement Squire, just like the world has backed 333 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: off the Free Tibet movement where you saw China coming 334 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: into that horrible atrocities. And that's important for this reason. 335 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 1: Once we hit twenty forty nine, that's going to be 336 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: the one hundredth year anniversary of Maldefeating and Kaishack in 337 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: the Nationale, So it's going to be their one hundredth 338 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: mark of Chinese Communist control Party rolling mainland China. So 339 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: they want to have a big celebration. They want to 340 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: be the world dominant power by that point without any criticism. 341 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: So take that timeframe of twenty years from the Tenement 342 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: Square massacre. They want to have everything wrapped up by 343 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, so that by twenty forty nine they 344 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: can have celebrations that are unblemished by let's say, taking Taiwan, 345 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: let's say, expelling leaguers or controlling wagers in the western 346 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: part of China, exerting influence over Hong Kong and crushing 347 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: the democracy that is Hong Kong, exerting influence in the 348 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: South Pacific by building more artificial islands, taking islands in 349 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: the spratleys, and so forth. So their ideological calendar is accelerating. 350 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I think that between now and the 351 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: next ten years, you're to see an adversarial China, China 352 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: that is much more ideological than it has been in 353 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: the past, and one that is truly committed to serve 354 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: passing the United States and upending the World War two 355 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: order that was established at the Brenton Woods Conference, right 356 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: where you had free markets, a West that was dominated 357 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: by a freedom and free trade and so forth. They 358 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: want to completely push that aside and emerges the dominant 359 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: power and an authoritarian state at the head of the 360 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: world order. And that's what we're dealing with newt I 361 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: apologize for getting ideological, but we've got to get ideological 362 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: if we want to understand the Chinese and President g 363 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: When I wrote Trump versus China last year. As we 364 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: did the research, we were really struck with and this 365 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: was a mistake in Wi Bart and I said so 366 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: in the book, I had really underestimated the depth of 367 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: Dung show things commitment to Leninism and Stalinism, going back 368 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: and that period and looking at his having spent a 369 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: year as a young man at the Lennon University in Moscow, 370 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: looking at the degree to which he and Mao revered Stalin. 371 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: When Kruschak made his famous secret speech denouncing Stalin, they 372 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: were both deeply offended because they regarded Stalin as wonderful 373 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: leader who had done many great things. And I always 374 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: call Jesian Paying the General Secretary. That's his real power base. 375 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: He's General Secretary of the Communist Party. He is the 376 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: chairman of the Military Committee for the People's Liberation Army, 377 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: which is actually the military arm of the Chinese Communist Party. 378 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: It's not the government army's Chinese Communist Party Army. And 379 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: then he is President of China. They always want to 380 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: use the word president because they know that it makes 381 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: him sound normal, but he's not normal by our standards. 382 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: He is an ideological Leninist dedicated to a tolitarian system 383 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: and willing to kill as many people as he has 384 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: to to advance his cause. I want to tell you 385 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: that I think what you're doing has been just tremendously 386 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: important and organizing and speaking out, and I hope you'll 387 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: continue to be very, very active and what you're doing 388 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: in the Congress. I want to thank you for taking 389 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: time out of your business schedule to help educate us. Well, now, 390 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much, And I just want to take 391 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: time to thank you for all you've done for the 392 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: conservative movement. I grew up in the nineteen nineties. I 393 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: was a political junkie even back then, and I can 394 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: tell you that what you did with the Contract of America, 395 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: what you did to really revitalize the conservative movement, it 396 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: was really an inspiration to me as a younger person, 397 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: and I know it's certainly an inspiration to the other 398 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: millennials that are in Congress. So I just want to 399 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: thank you for being at the Helm for so long 400 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: and being a role model for my generation of conservatives. 401 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: So thank you, and all those kind words mean a 402 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: lot coming from you. I appreciate it. 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