Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night, and
Speaker 2: welcome to a bite sized episode of X ray Vision,
Speaker 2: the podcast where we dive deep it's your favorite shows, movies, comics,
Speaker 2: and pop culture.
Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're stepping into that space X Men
Speaker 3: ship air.
Speaker 1: Lock to talk the Marvels.
Speaker 3: It took us too long break, but it's good and
Speaker 3: I'm glad everyone else is realizing it's good and we're
Speaker 3: excited to talk about this good movie.
Speaker 1: So next up the Marvels.
Speaker 2: We meet in the opening of this film, Darben, the
Speaker 2: Kreese new very very militant leader, as she discovers a
Speaker 2: quantum band on some desolate planet somewhere. The band, which
Speaker 2: of course we have seen before in the Disney Plus
Speaker 2: television program Mis.
Speaker 1: Marvel An, a very good program.
Speaker 2: Another very wonderful program, allows Darman to open connection points
Speaker 2: portals in space time, and she plans to use these
Speaker 2: openings to revitalize the Cree home world, which has been
Speaker 2: all kinds of fucked up ever since Carol made the
Speaker 2: manifestly unwise, probably criminal decision to carry out a decapitation
Speaker 2: attack on the Cree government, killing off the Supreme Intelligence
Speaker 2: causing a wide Cree civil war and just devastating ecological, political,
Speaker 2: and economic collapse across the Cree systems. It's bad.
Speaker 3: It's bad and also like maybe genocidal to the point
Speaker 3: of the Gamin.
Speaker 1: Bad choice. You need to pay for your crimes. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I really think you should have at least checked in
Speaker 2: with somebody. Conversation one one one question Marina, see what
Speaker 2: she thought? You know, I just think it's it was.
Speaker 2: It was a bad move. Dar Ben's portals destabilize the
Speaker 2: the ancient interspace. We'll call it the Highway network, but
Speaker 2: there's the the connection of interspace portals that allows fast
Speaker 2: travel throughout the universe. Nick Fury now in charge of
Speaker 2: the Saber Space Station. That's where he's been, as we saw,
Speaker 2: just hide and just chilling out as we saw in
Speaker 2: the in the in the bad sadly the.
Speaker 1: Bad secret vasion. It was bad, secret vasion, painful.
Speaker 2: Asks our friend Monica Rambo and also our friend Carol
Speaker 2: Danvers to check this out. What's going on hijinkson Sue
Speaker 2: and Monica, Carol and our good friend Kamala Khan. Yes,
Speaker 2: home in Jersey City after the events of Miss Marvel
Speaker 2: discover that using their respective powers causes them to switch
Speaker 2: places wherever they are in space. This was actually really
Speaker 2: fun and I enjoyed this.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: They enjoyed just fun job.
Speaker 3: And also this adds like so many fun chances to
Speaker 3: do incredible action sequences. Yes, we get such good action
Speaker 3: sequences with this. It's a nice fun kind of call
Speaker 3: back to the Rick Jones storyline that we talked about
Speaker 3: that was kind of like this the Marvel plot line.
Speaker 3: So there's there's a lot of fun to be had here,
Speaker 3: and I just those three are so joyous together. And
Speaker 3: I had some issues with the first Captain Marvel movie.
Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily love Carol's characterization, but I think here
Speaker 3: this is like how doctor Strange was reimagined post to
Speaker 3: Scott Derekson movie. Like this is a huge change. It's
Speaker 3: a Thor Ragnarok kind of change where we get to
Speaker 3: see Caro having fun, She's on the space station, she's
Speaker 3: with her cats. Like it's just a delightful expansion of
Speaker 3: the character that allows he to have a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of fun despite the quantum intertwining of our three heroes
Speaker 2: that causes, you know, unexpected and chaotic effects. They do
Speaker 2: manage to fight off a Cree strikeforce sent to New
Speaker 2: Jersey to the Khan family home to obtain Kamala's Bengal,
Speaker 2: the other quantum band that Darban is so so dedicated
Speaker 2: to finding. Darben opens a portal above Tarnack's home to
Speaker 2: a population of Scroll refugees in order to steal their wonderful,
Speaker 2: clean mountain air for the Cree home world. Our trio
Speaker 2: of heroes managed to evacuate most, but certainly not all,
Speaker 2: of the population, and Kamala is heartbroken that they could
Speaker 2: not accomplish that. Carol has to tell her, listen, save
Speaker 2: what you can save who you can save, and but
Speaker 2: she does save for later that this is all her fault.
Speaker 2: She's holding on to that little tidbit right now.
Speaker 3: She needs to be coming clean about that, because I
Speaker 3: feel like I love this movie. I thought it was
Speaker 3: so much fun, But I do feel like Carol doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily get held up for crimes in the way she
Speaker 3: probably should have it.
Speaker 2: I completely agree. Carol is particularly heartbroken because she helped
Speaker 2: found this colony on tarn X, though kind of stiffing
Speaker 2: the Skrull on her promise to actually find them a
Speaker 2: real homeworld. Anyway, our heroes realize Darbin went to Tarnas
Speaker 2: in order to punish Carol personally for her crimes against
Speaker 2: the Creed. It's not just she's picking planets that have
Speaker 2: resources that the cree need. She's picking planets that Carol likes,
Speaker 2: has connections to, has connections to the people's there, because
Speaker 2: she specifically wants to hurt Carol. Meanwhile, Monica needs a
Speaker 2: code name, and the trio itself needs a name, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that only Kamala agrees that they are a team.
Speaker 3: In general, there is a lot of fun to be
Speaker 3: had in if you love Easter Eggs, they have a
Speaker 3: lot of fun with Kamala basically just choosing all the
Speaker 3: different names, and Monica kind of shoots down a lot
Speaker 3: of the cannon comic names.
Speaker 1: It's really fun.
Speaker 3: I mean, especially like Monica and Kamala together are just
Speaker 3: so great, Like I really hope we see more of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the the hero worship between Kamala and Carol,
Speaker 2: and then also like the unexpected chemistry between Monica and Kall.
Speaker 2: It's really fun. Okay, so we got clean air. Great
Speaker 2: shouts to Tarnack's We're done. Now, what do you need
Speaker 2: we need clean water. That rings a bell for Carol,
Speaker 2: who just so happens, woman of many secrets, to be
Speaker 2: secretly married to Prince Johan, the leader of Aladna, a
Speaker 2: planet almost one hundred percent covered by wonderful, fresh, sparkling
Speaker 2: water where everyone communicates via song and dance. Lovely to visit.
Speaker 3: Alada Disney see Disney Dance Princess sequence.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: So we get a big fight on Alattna with our
Speaker 2: trio and Prince John's forces battling the creed. Dar manages
Speaker 2: to open the portal to suck out the water, and
Speaker 2: unfortunately our heroes can't do much about it. They jump
Speaker 2: away from Alatna with dar Ben right on their six. Carol,
Speaker 2: now desperate because she could not save her husband's planetlit
Speaker 2: it's a political marriage, but still that Alatna. We never
Speaker 2: go back there, but I would expect that it's devastated.
Speaker 2: Now admits that her ill considered attack on the Supreme
Speaker 2: Intelligence is the reason this is happening, and this is
Speaker 2: all her fault. And because of this conversation, they realize, Okay,
Speaker 2: water down, air down, need that sunlight next. That can
Speaker 2: only mean the beautiful, sweet, juicy Earth sun just sitting
Speaker 2: there in the middle of the solar systems. I got
Speaker 2: shining mango beautiful. We need that sunlight, says Darban. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: things on Saber are deteriorating because of the destabilization of
Speaker 2: the portals, and the space station is coming apart at
Speaker 2: the seams, which is bad because we like Fury kind of,
Speaker 2: But also Kama's family is also on the space station,
Speaker 2: and that's a big deal. Fury manages to evacuate everyone
Speaker 2: on the space despite them only having one escape pod,
Speaker 2: by having the entire populated. It's great. This is one
Speaker 2: of the great great secrets horror.
Speaker 1: Sequences in all of Marvel.
Speaker 3: He basically has all the crew eaten by fluckins and
Speaker 3: then puts all the fluckins into one escapeboard okay, an
Speaker 3: escapeboard of cats.
Speaker 1: But the way they shoot it is just people.
Speaker 3: Running away, screaming from these aliens, trying not to get
Speaker 3: eaten by cute cats with giant tongues. So ten out
Speaker 3: of ten fantastic sequence. I think that's up there with
Speaker 3: one of the best sequences in the MCU.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's all set to memory reprise, Yes, the
Speaker 2: cat iconic song from Cats. The musical bab uh just
Speaker 2: an incredible an incredible sequence. The Marvels confront Darben on
Speaker 2: her ship. We get a big fight. Darben ends up
Speaker 2: impaled by a piece of the deck and the Marvels
Speaker 2: try to talk her out of this mission of destruction.
Speaker 2: Monica makes an offer. Okay, what about this, Darbin. I
Speaker 2: understand that this is weird to be making a deal
Speaker 2: right now while you're impaled, But what if Carol uses
Speaker 2: her powers to restart the Kree Sun? Would that do it?
Speaker 2: And Carol kind of like makes this kind of pulls
Speaker 2: on the heartstrings a little bit like, let's you know,
Speaker 2: peace and enough and I'm so sorry about everything that happened,
Speaker 2: and it seems like it's a done deal. She frees Darben,
Speaker 2: who immediately goes back on the perceived deal, steals the
Speaker 2: other band off of Kamala, and then flies out to
Speaker 2: fire up both bands and do this big sun stealing
Speaker 2: portal thing. But then she disintegrates because it's just too
Speaker 2: much power. She doesn't know how to use it.
Speaker 1: Rip Dolben, Rip Darben.
Speaker 2: I disagree with your actions, but I get the anger,
Speaker 2: and I think it's justified. We should also.
Speaker 1: Mention that Carol is so hated that they call her the.
Speaker 3: Annihilate, like she is seen as like a genocidal villain.
Speaker 3: So dar Been, I feel like, is more of a
Speaker 3: resistance fight everything, even if methods are.
Speaker 1: Not great, and I just completely I feel like, Monica,
Speaker 1: could you not have come up with this plan earlier?
Speaker 1: And like stop the wall? I feel like, I feel like,
Speaker 1: come on, yeah.
Speaker 2: Just come on, guys, just fix the sun already. And that,
Speaker 2: by the way, doesn't even solve the water and air
Speaker 2: problem anyway, So Darban is out. This explosion also disentangles
Speaker 2: the Marvels, not officially their name, but we're gonna call.
Speaker 1: Them, Yeah, we love that name Kamala.
Speaker 2: Then they come up with a plan. Kamala uses both
Speaker 2: bands and Carol using her powers herself. They fire just
Speaker 2: huge blasts of energy at Monica, who absorbs them and
Speaker 2: then goes over to the portals to close them using
Speaker 2: this energy, But she has to really remain in the
Speaker 2: aperture of the portal for the whole She can't just
Speaker 2: like pop out Tony Stark in Marvels the Avenger style,
Speaker 2: and so she ends up closed behind the portal wall
Speaker 2: in another dimension. But Earth is saved Tarnack's sorry about it.
Speaker 2: Sorry bro, Sorry bros. We can't figure it out in time.
Speaker 2: But Earth is fine.
Speaker 3: Look, let's we're gonna talk about this because one of
Speaker 3: the most hilarious.
Speaker 1: Like not necessarily a plot hole, but like a plot question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when did they sell this like inter dimensional portal
Speaker 3: network that we just never heard about until this movie?
Speaker 2: I feel like to learn more about that?
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's fine. That's the only planet that mattens in
Speaker 3: the MCU. No one cares about the fallout. That's never
Speaker 3: gonna come back and bite us.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure planets are going to be people.
Speaker 2: Of are are just fine with their newly dried out
Speaker 2: shell of a planet. Anyway. In the six one six
Speaker 2: h Kamala goes home to Earth and because the Marvels
Speaker 2: never really again came together official, Kamala is like, I
Speaker 2: need a team. I'm gonna start looking for other young
Speaker 2: heroes on the come up to start a team. First up,
Speaker 2: our good friend Kate Bishop Yes on the Hawkeye series, wonderful,
Speaker 2: can't wait for this.
Speaker 3: Fantastic we're talking about young Avengers. Baby, we know that's
Speaker 3: where it's going to get it going get it going.
Speaker 3: We've been waiting. Carol.
Speaker 2: Then, as recompense, partial recompense for her crimes against the Creed,
Speaker 2: she flies into the file, flies into the Krea sun
Speaker 2: to fire it back up and it works Elsewhere in
Speaker 2: another dimension, do do. Monica meets a variant of her mom,
Speaker 2: Maria in the guise of the superhero Binerya, and she's
Speaker 2: hanging out with Hank McCoy of the X Men, who
Speaker 2: deduces the problem of alternate dimensions. Don don, let's talk
Speaker 2: about this film.
Speaker 1: Come on, isn't she great? I just love her so much.
Speaker 3: We're so blessed to have her in the MCU. She
Speaker 3: is like a breath of fresh air that we need.
Speaker 3: She's that ultimate kind of in character for people like
Speaker 3: us who love this.
Speaker 2: Stuff, meta character.
Speaker 3: She's a meta in character who's not an avatar in
Speaker 3: any way, Like she gets to be her own person.
Speaker 3: But we can all kind of laugh and be like, well,
Speaker 3: that would be us, Like we would be the ones
Speaker 3: with the bootleg the boot like Kamala Carroll ties. Actually,
Speaker 3: let's talk about that, because you raised the good question
Speaker 3: when we were doing pre question.
Speaker 2: Do heroes like Carol who have merch profit off their name,
Speaker 2: image and likeness. Who owns that ip? In the Marvel verse.
Speaker 2: It's important, I.
Speaker 3: Think because also we know that there's like, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Avengers musicals. We know that there's bootleg Marvels merch thanks
Speaker 3: to the Avanngers incredible marvels.
Speaker 1: Much so that means there must be legit merch.
Speaker 2: There is a there is a trademark, right because you
Speaker 2: would not be what you would You would just be
Speaker 2: able to do boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be a problem. So like, okay, so
Speaker 1: is this like a Marvel comics esque.
Speaker 3: Situation where when you join the Avengers, they own, like
Speaker 3: Stark Industry owns your likeness?
Speaker 1: Right? Sadly I believe that's the case.
Speaker 2: I think Stocking really really sadly believe that that is
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: And I think Stark Industries has like a merchandising department
Speaker 3: and that's why you're getting like Hawkeye dolls and Carol
Speaker 3: Danvers T shirts. And it would be very interesting to
Speaker 3: see that explored in a future episode of something or other,
Speaker 3: because I doubt it will be in a movie, but.
Speaker 1: The people want to know who's making the millions.
Speaker 2: I think what happened is when the Avengers started up
Speaker 2: and when all the versions of the teams were put
Speaker 2: together under the under the banner of the Avengers, Tony
Speaker 2: Stark handed people like a five hundred page contract and
Speaker 2: in the contry tract is ownership of the IP and
Speaker 2: the IP derived from the Avengers activities is the sole
Speaker 2: property of Stark Industry. Now here's the question. Does Carol
Speaker 2: and the other heroes act? Do they get a royalty
Speaker 2: off of merch sold containing their name image like this
Speaker 2: that's all?
Speaker 1: Is it like a work for hire gig?
Speaker 3: Where like Tony is just getting all this money and
Speaker 3: it's going into the Avengers Initiative bank accounts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to know more.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how he's funding.
Speaker 3: You know, he's a billionaire, but maybe that's how he's
Speaker 3: like he's like, you want to get a new suit upgrade,
Speaker 3: Well you need a T shirt, Give me that T
Speaker 3: shot money.
Speaker 2: That's how the Avengers is kind of like self. It's
Speaker 2: sustaining in that way.
Speaker 3: Don't ask pepper pots get pepper pots on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Quinja, you know, gas for the Quinn Jet.
Speaker 2: All the arrows quo ar, Yeah, I mean Clinton has
Speaker 2: too many arrows.
Speaker 1: We all know that, Like those.
Speaker 3: That's like millions of dollars a year. Like, I, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is an important question. This is exactly the kind
Speaker 3: of question that nobody at Marvel wants answer because it's
Speaker 3: completely ridiculous, but it's very important to us.
Speaker 2: I think it's actually important world world building question. I
Speaker 2: need to know more.
Speaker 1: I need to know more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, let's talk about the action sequences are so good,
Speaker 3: Like I think the stunt coordinators Joe McClaren, who did
Speaker 3: Doctor Strange to an.
Speaker 1: Overlord, which I love that movie.
Speaker 3: And it is like so there's so much fun and
Speaker 3: personality in these fight sequences. They tell us so much
Speaker 3: about the characters. We get to see this yeh, quantum
Speaker 3: entanglement mega fight between Saber Kamala Khan's house and wherever
Speaker 3: Carol is maybe her own ship, and we yet to
Speaker 3: see that Kamala has like really no idea how to
Speaker 3: use her powers compared to Monica, who's just learning to
Speaker 3: use them, compared to Carol, who's an old hand at
Speaker 3: this point, and there's just so much fun to be had.
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the big reasons why. You know,
Speaker 3: another thing we kind of talked about in the pre
Speaker 3: production stage of this episode is the movie didn't make
Speaker 3: a lot of money, right, It came in that phase
Speaker 3: of oh superha fatigue blah blah.
Speaker 1: Blah, but now it's some dizzy, dominating narrative. That was
Speaker 1: the dominating narrative of it.
Speaker 3: But as we kind of said, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: flawed narrative. It's not a holistic narrative in any way.
Speaker 3: And once this hit Disney Plus, the conversation about this
Speaker 3: movie changed, and suddenly every single person who watched this
Speaker 3: movie on Disney Plus went, wait, why didn't I go
Speaker 3: and see this at the cinema?
Speaker 1: It was so good?
Speaker 3: Like why did I miss out seeing this on the
Speaker 3: big screen? And I think a big part of that
Speaker 3: is those incredible fight sequences and the balance between comedy
Speaker 3: and action, which feels a lot more akin to that
Speaker 3: first phase of the MCU.
Speaker 2: And to your point, what also felt a kin to
Speaker 2: that first phase was were you watching Monica and Kamala
Speaker 2: take their first steps in learning how to use their powers.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a wonderful like level up feel where
Speaker 2: throughout these set piece action sequences, you see Monica and
Speaker 2: Kamala get a little better, a little better, a little
Speaker 2: better each time at using their power, figuring out the synergy,
Speaker 2: like how to use their power together, all three of them, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and to enhance each other. That's really cool. And that
Speaker 2: made the you know, the entanglement thing could have been
Speaker 2: really annoying really fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just felt like I'm not getting to feel my heroes.
Speaker 2: Like we're putting this artificial uh ceiling on how powerful
Speaker 2: our heroes could be in order to drive the plot,
Speaker 2: but feel like that it's not like, yes, there was
Speaker 2: this thing that was making it difficult for them, but
Speaker 2: also they were very creative in figuring out how to
Speaker 2: use it and how to how to work around it
Speaker 2: and when to when to actually use their powers in
Speaker 2: a way that would trigger the entanglement, that wouldn't become
Speaker 2: important to do that, And I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 1: It really worked, It really worked.
Speaker 3: And also I think that Nia da Costa, who's the
Speaker 3: director of this, director of Candy Man, just a great,
Speaker 3: great director. I think she did a really fantastic job.
Speaker 3: You know, post ant Man three, Quantumnia, everyone kind of
Speaker 3: had that fear of it looking like that murky purple
Speaker 3: overcged kind of space, and actually what we ended up
Speaker 3: getting had so much fun practical setwork, whether it was
Speaker 3: on Saber, whether it was on these different planets.
Speaker 1: The use of the different planets.
Speaker 3: And getting to visit different places gave it so many
Speaker 3: different flavors. And I understand that making one of these
Speaker 3: movies is never easy, and there was a lot of
Speaker 3: conversation about reshoots and all that kind of stuff that
Speaker 3: always happens with these big movies.
Speaker 1: But I felt like the movie that we got Nia just.
Speaker 3: Did such a good job bringing it all together and
Speaker 3: making it feel like a really fun, quick, great adventure.
Speaker 3: Like I can imagine for a lot of people this
Speaker 3: could be their first MCU movie and they would just
Speaker 3: get really really into it, and then they can go
Speaker 3: back and discover everything else.
Speaker 2: Part of what was so joyful was the extended musical
Speaker 2: numbers like Alattna. Of course, the song and Dance and
Speaker 2: Alatna that first of all brings out an entirely different
Speaker 2: dimension to Carol's character and Breeze performance like a wonderful
Speaker 2: Like you know, Carol is a hard ass character, both
Speaker 2: in the comics and these movies. Yeah, she's very all
Speaker 2: business and still tell me to smile, don't tell me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I will do it myself. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: you could kind of extrapolate that all the way out
Speaker 2: to again her her unwise to kill the Supreme Intelligence.
Speaker 2: But this brought another aspect to her. While indeed it
Speaker 2: was a political marriage important for the kind of stability
Speaker 2: of internal Ladna politics, the way she carries out her
Speaker 2: role is so delightful and it's also worthy.
Speaker 3: Sands with Prince Ye. Yeah, like there's no way, it's
Speaker 3: like beautiful, there's a love.
Speaker 1: I was a big fan. But let's talk about Aladdina
Speaker 1: because you look, so what's up with the Latin? Is
Speaker 1: it just dry? Now? It was one hundred percent?
Speaker 3: More?
Speaker 1: Where's that gone?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it now twenty percent? Is it completely dried out?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What's going on? What's occurring?
Speaker 2: I am I am very I'll just say that I'm
Speaker 2: hopeful that in the way that Carol flew into the
Speaker 2: Krea Sun in order to restart it, that she will
Speaker 2: also say, well, also, okay, a Lotna, we've got to
Speaker 2: do something for a Lotna. We got to figure out
Speaker 2: the water situation. I'm hopeful that we will see the
Speaker 2: heroes double back and do something for because what I
Speaker 2: don't want to see happen is we just forget about them,
Speaker 2: and that will one hundred come back on them. Like
Speaker 2: the people of Aladna, who are wonderful, warm, generous, very
Speaker 2: happy and contented in what appears by all accounts to
Speaker 2: be like some sort of space utopia, I think they
Speaker 2: will be very furious at what has happened to their planet,
Speaker 2: and it will be a bad thing for our heroes.
Speaker 1: They'll be doing an a dance number.
Speaker 3: Yes, they'll be coming with like a more gothic like
Speaker 3: furious revenge. So I mean, look, Carol, she just flew
Speaker 3: into the sun cash, maybe she can like do some
Speaker 3: like Captain Marvel fracking.
Speaker 1: She can just fly down into the.
Speaker 2: Movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and then she can just let the
Speaker 1: water back up from the depths of a ladina. I
Speaker 1: believe she could do it. She flew into the sun.
Speaker 3: She's basically the most overpowered character we've ever seen, So.
Speaker 1: She can she can fly into the she can fly
Speaker 1: into the depths of a ladiner and allow.
Speaker 3: The beautiful springs that potentially bloom under there to come
Speaker 3: to the top of the service. Come on, Carol, and
Speaker 3: then work out the clean air one next. Come on,
Speaker 3: this is on you.
Speaker 2: Post credits, we get a vision of an X Men
Speaker 2: in the MCU your thoughts about what this could possibly mean.
Speaker 3: So if you listen to joompod Mia and Jason did
Speaker 3: x then episode talk about X Men two thousand, So
Speaker 3: sorry if you've already heard us vaguely talk about this,
Speaker 3: But generally my feeling is, and I think this actually
Speaker 3: aligns with what we are seeing in the Fantastic X
Speaker 3: Men ninety seven animated series also on the Not So
Speaker 3: Beligued Disney Plus. And I believe that what we're essentially
Speaker 3: seeing here is a version of the X Men that
Speaker 3: is heavily based on this cosmic space law. So I
Speaker 3: think this is a she R X Men. This is
Speaker 3: an X Men where the X Men are in space,
Speaker 3: they are exploring space. That fits in with binary which
Speaker 3: we'll get into a little bit later. And the fact
Speaker 3: that we have a Hank McCoy played by you know, Frasier.
Speaker 3: We don't have the young Hank McCoy, j we have
Speaker 3: the Fraser Hank McCoy, So we're in a situation where
Speaker 3: I think this is I think that doing a Shia Milandra,
Speaker 3: this kind of alien space exploration side of the team
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense because it's never fully been explored.
Speaker 3: It was kind of half explored in Dark Phoenix, but
Speaker 3: they did darb Adr over the top, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: the Landra. And the interesting thing is this is lining
Speaker 3: up potentially with what we're seeing in X Men ninety
Speaker 3: seven because we've seen glimpses of Lelandra in the opening
Speaker 3: credits spoiler alert, cover your ears.
Speaker 1: That might be where Charles is probably in that.
Speaker 3: So we could be seeing them use the X Men
Speaker 3: ninety seven series as a way of seeding more of
Speaker 3: a general knowledge of this era and then having us
Speaker 3: explore it in live action, as it would be a
Speaker 3: relatively unique take. So I think this is going to matter.
Speaker 3: It could lead to all of that. The question is
Speaker 3: are they going to stick with this? I think this
Speaker 3: is a very cool direction, So I hope that they
Speaker 3: are going to stick with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned binary, So let's do Who's Who. Every
Speaker 2: show we close the show with a variety of fast
Speaker 2: moving segments. Today it's Who's Who, in which we talk
Speaker 2: about some of our favorite weird characters from are given universes.
Speaker 2: Not a weird character at all, really, it's a weird
Speaker 2: episode in a character's evolution. I would say in this episode, Rosie, oh,
Speaker 2: I ask you, I implore you, tell us about Binary,
Speaker 2: Maria Rambo's code name in the post credits scene, who
Speaker 2: is Binary?
Speaker 3: Well, this is a very interesting and complex story. So
Speaker 3: first of all, let's start by saying in the comics,
Speaker 3: Carol is binary rather than Maria Monica's mother. Right, So
Speaker 3: that's the start. We'll get to why I think that's
Speaker 3: a cool choice a little bit later. So binary appears
Speaker 3: in Uncanny X Men one sixty four legendary important part
Speaker 3: of the story, and that is a new name for Carol.
Speaker 3: Carrol's already existed at this point since Marvel Superos thirteen,
Speaker 3: And basically what we learn.
Speaker 1: Here is that.
Speaker 3: Carol has gained these unbelievable new powers. In the words
Speaker 3: of Chris Claremont, a freak accident combined the best genetic
Speaker 3: elements of a human and the ancient starfaring race of
Speaker 3: the Cree. But that did not make Binary. For that
Speaker 3: to happen, Carol had to lose her powers to Rogue,
Speaker 3: which is very interesting because we're kind of seeing a
Speaker 3: version of Rogue that has gained some of Carol's powers.
Speaker 3: In X Men ninety seven, without them getting that side.
Speaker 2: The ability to fly and the super strength that Rogue
Speaker 2: has that's not her natural power. That's the result of
Speaker 2: her contact with Carol, and she siphoned off some of
Speaker 2: Carol's powers and those powers stuck for reasons kind of unexplained.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we learn is basically that the Brood
Speaker 3: kidnapped the X Men, including Carol, because this is when
Speaker 3: she was hanging around with them a lot, and they
Speaker 3: experimented on her and her modified genes thanks to the
Speaker 3: Cree experimentations, reacted to the Brood's meddling, and in the
Speaker 3: depths of space, created the hero known as Binary. Now
Speaker 3: that's kind of the on page story, but there was
Speaker 3: an off page story that kind of shaped it as well,
Speaker 3: which was that Chris Clermont wanted to give Carol Danvers
Speaker 3: aka and Miss Marvel a kind of new heroic story
Speaker 3: because her representation on the page had often leaned into
Speaker 3: like misogyny objectification. Yes, and there was a story decisions
Speaker 3: with real bad decisions. Well, yeah, there was a storyline
Speaker 3: in Avengers where Carol discovers she's pregnant and the baby
Speaker 3: is growing a lot faster Twilight Renezme style. You know.
Speaker 3: Three days late, three issues later, Carol gives birth, but
Speaker 3: she loses all of her agency and control over her body,
Speaker 3: and it turns out that the Sun that she has
Speaker 3: given birth to is actually a man who raped her
Speaker 3: to get her pregnant and forced her to give birth
Speaker 3: so that he could be reborn.
Speaker 1: So lots of bad stuff.
Speaker 3: Basically that led to Claremont then going, well, I'm going
Speaker 3: to include Carol and the X Men and give her
Speaker 3: a new story. I'm going to fix this, and he
Speaker 3: loved Miss Marvel. He actually loved the character. But he
Speaker 3: was like, I want Binary to be given this. I
Speaker 3: want her to be given this whole new role as
Speaker 3: this kind of superstar space hero who can do anything,
Speaker 3: who's super overpowered.
Speaker 1: So that's who Binary is. Now.
Speaker 3: What's really cool about them making Maria Binary here is
Speaker 3: in the first Captain Marvel movie. One of the critiques
Speaker 3: that some of us had was it ignored the fact
Speaker 3: and actually kind of took from the storyline of the
Speaker 3: first female Captain Marvel in the comics, which was Monica Rambo,
Speaker 3: who gained her powers in a very similar way to
Speaker 3: the way that Carol Danvers gained her powers in the
Speaker 3: first Captain Marvel movie and Stephanie Williams, a great comic
Speaker 3: book writer and cultural critic, did a really good thread
Speaker 3: about this, and we were kind of it was one
Speaker 3: of those things that fans were kind of bummed about.
Speaker 3: It felt like it ignored the great storyline and the
Speaker 3: fact that was quite a radical moment to have, like
Speaker 3: a black woman as your first female Captain Marvel. So
Speaker 3: giving Maria this part of Carol's storyline is actually a
Speaker 3: really cool way to recognize that and to expand her role,
Speaker 3: especially because she could have easily have just got the
Speaker 3: powers that Carol did. And this is kind of we
Speaker 3: would assume an alternate world where in that scenario where
Speaker 3: they were both, you know, in flight school, it was
Speaker 3: Maria who got.
Speaker 1: The powers rather than Carol.
Speaker 3: So it's really cool binary as a super rad, incredibly
Speaker 3: powerful space character who would lean very heavily into that
Speaker 3: realm that we're talking about of that kind of sher
Speaker 3: space Starjammas Corsair kind of X Men, And I really
Speaker 3: hope we get to see that binary going forward, because
Speaker 3: I think that this is an interesting and good way
Speaker 3: for the X Men to to work in the MCU,
Speaker 3: And I think this is a really cool reimagining of
Speaker 3: the character because you don't need our Carol Danvers to
Speaker 3: be binary anymore, because she is Captain Marvel and she's fantastic.
Speaker 3: But let's let binary have this other world. There is
Speaker 3: this really fun old universe reimagining that also kind of
Speaker 3: gets to be a little bit of a correction of
Speaker 3: a not a mistake, but a choice that the first Captain.
Speaker 1: Marvel movie made. So yeah, that's binary. She's great.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode. See you next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see you next time, guys.
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