1 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Hello. 2 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night, and 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: welcome to a bite sized episode of X ray Vision, 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: the podcast where we dive deep it's your favorite shows, movies, comics, 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: and pop culture. 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're stepping into that space X Men 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 3: ship air. 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: Lock to talk the Marvels. 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 3: It took us too long break, but it's good and 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 3: I'm glad everyone else is realizing it's good and we're 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: excited to talk about this good movie. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: So next up the Marvels. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: We meet in the opening of this film, Darben, the 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: Kreese new very very militant leader, as she discovers a 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: quantum band on some desolate planet somewhere. The band, which 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: of course we have seen before in the Disney Plus 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: television program Mis. 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: Marvel An, a very good program. 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: Another very wonderful program, allows Darman to open connection points 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: portals in space time, and she plans to use these 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: openings to revitalize the Cree home world, which has been 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: all kinds of fucked up ever since Carol made the 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: manifestly unwise, probably criminal decision to carry out a decapitation 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: attack on the Cree government, killing off the Supreme Intelligence 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: causing a wide Cree civil war and just devastating ecological, political, 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: and economic collapse across the Cree systems. It's bad. 27 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: It's bad and also like maybe genocidal to the point 28 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: of the Gamin. 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: Bad choice. You need to pay for your crimes. I'm sorry. 30 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: I really think you should have at least checked in 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: with somebody. Conversation one one one question Marina, see what 32 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: she thought? You know, I just think it's it was. 33 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: It was a bad move. Dar Ben's portals destabilize the 34 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: the ancient interspace. We'll call it the Highway network, but 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: there's the the connection of interspace portals that allows fast 36 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: travel throughout the universe. Nick Fury now in charge of 37 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: the Saber Space Station. That's where he's been, as we saw, 38 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: just hide and just chilling out as we saw in 39 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: the in the in the bad sadly the. 40 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: Bad secret vasion. It was bad, secret vasion, painful. 41 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: Asks our friend Monica Rambo and also our friend Carol 42 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: Danvers to check this out. What's going on hijinkson Sue 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: and Monica, Carol and our good friend Kamala Khan. Yes, 44 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: home in Jersey City after the events of Miss Marvel 45 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: discover that using their respective powers causes them to switch 46 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 2: places wherever they are in space. This was actually really 47 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: fun and I enjoyed this. 48 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: They did. 49 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: They enjoyed just fun job. 50 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: And also this adds like so many fun chances to 51 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: do incredible action sequences. Yes, we get such good action 52 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: sequences with this. It's a nice fun kind of call 53 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: back to the Rick Jones storyline that we talked about 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: that was kind of like this the Marvel plot line. 55 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: So there's there's a lot of fun to be had here, 56 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: and I just those three are so joyous together. And 57 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: I had some issues with the first Captain Marvel movie. 58 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily love Carol's characterization, but I think here 59 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: this is like how doctor Strange was reimagined post to 60 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: Scott Derekson movie. Like this is a huge change. It's 61 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: a Thor Ragnarok kind of change where we get to 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: see Caro having fun, She's on the space station, she's 63 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: with her cats. Like it's just a delightful expansion of 64 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: the character that allows he to have a little bit. 65 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: Of fun despite the quantum intertwining of our three heroes 66 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 2: that causes, you know, unexpected and chaotic effects. They do 67 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: manage to fight off a Cree strikeforce sent to New 68 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: Jersey to the Khan family home to obtain Kamala's Bengal, 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: the other quantum band that Darban is so so dedicated 70 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: to finding. Darben opens a portal above Tarnack's home to 71 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: a population of Scroll refugees in order to steal their wonderful, 72 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: clean mountain air for the Cree home world. Our trio 73 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: of heroes managed to evacuate most, but certainly not all, 74 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: of the population, and Kamala is heartbroken that they could 75 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: not accomplish that. Carol has to tell her, listen, save 76 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: what you can save who you can save, and but 77 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: she does save for later that this is all her fault. 78 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: She's holding on to that little tidbit right now. 79 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: She needs to be coming clean about that, because I 80 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: feel like I love this movie. I thought it was 81 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: so much fun, But I do feel like Carol doesn't 82 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: necessarily get held up for crimes in the way she 83 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 3: probably should have it. 84 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: I completely agree. Carol is particularly heartbroken because she helped 85 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: found this colony on tarn X, though kind of stiffing 86 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: the Skrull on her promise to actually find them a 87 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: real homeworld. Anyway, our heroes realize Darbin went to Tarnas 88 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: in order to punish Carol personally for her crimes against 89 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: the Creed. It's not just she's picking planets that have 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: resources that the cree need. She's picking planets that Carol likes, 91 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: has connections to, has connections to the people's there, because 92 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: she specifically wants to hurt Carol. Meanwhile, Monica needs a 93 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: code name, and the trio itself needs a name, despite 94 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: the fact that only Kamala agrees that they are a team. 95 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: In general, there is a lot of fun to be 96 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: had in if you love Easter Eggs, they have a 97 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: lot of fun with Kamala basically just choosing all the 98 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: different names, and Monica kind of shoots down a lot 99 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: of the cannon comic names. 100 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: It's really fun. 101 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: I mean, especially like Monica and Kamala together are just 102 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: so great, Like I really hope we see more of them. 103 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the the hero worship between Kamala and Carol, 104 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: and then also like the unexpected chemistry between Monica and Kall. 105 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 2: It's really fun. Okay, so we got clean air. Great 106 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: shouts to Tarnack's We're done. Now, what do you need 107 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: we need clean water. That rings a bell for Carol, 108 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: who just so happens, woman of many secrets, to be 109 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: secretly married to Prince Johan, the leader of Aladna, a 110 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: planet almost one hundred percent covered by wonderful, fresh, sparkling 111 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: water where everyone communicates via song and dance. Lovely to visit. 112 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: Alada Disney see Disney Dance Princess sequence. 113 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: It's so good. 114 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: So we get a big fight on Alattna with our 115 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: trio and Prince John's forces battling the creed. Dar manages 116 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: to open the portal to suck out the water, and 117 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: unfortunately our heroes can't do much about it. They jump 118 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: away from Alatna with dar Ben right on their six. Carol, 119 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: now desperate because she could not save her husband's planetlit 120 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: it's a political marriage, but still that Alatna. We never 121 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: go back there, but I would expect that it's devastated. 122 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: Now admits that her ill considered attack on the Supreme 123 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: Intelligence is the reason this is happening, and this is 124 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: all her fault. And because of this conversation, they realize, Okay, 125 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: water down, air down, need that sunlight next. That can 126 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: only mean the beautiful, sweet, juicy Earth sun just sitting 127 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: there in the middle of the solar systems. I got 128 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: shining mango beautiful. We need that sunlight, says Darban. Meanwhile, 129 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: things on Saber are deteriorating because of the destabilization of 130 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: the portals, and the space station is coming apart at 131 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: the seams, which is bad because we like Fury kind of, 132 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: But also Kama's family is also on the space station, 133 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: and that's a big deal. Fury manages to evacuate everyone 134 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: on the space despite them only having one escape pod, 135 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: by having the entire populated. It's great. This is one 136 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,359 Speaker 2: of the great great secrets horror. 137 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: Sequences in all of Marvel. 138 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: He basically has all the crew eaten by fluckins and 139 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: then puts all the fluckins into one escapeboard okay, an 140 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: escapeboard of cats. 141 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: But the way they shoot it is just people. 142 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 3: Running away, screaming from these aliens, trying not to get 143 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: eaten by cute cats with giant tongues. So ten out 144 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: of ten fantastic sequence. I think that's up there with 145 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: one of the best sequences in the MCU. 146 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's all set to memory reprise, Yes, the 147 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: cat iconic song from Cats. The musical bab uh just 148 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: an incredible an incredible sequence. The Marvels confront Darben on 149 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: her ship. We get a big fight. Darben ends up 150 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: impaled by a piece of the deck and the Marvels 151 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: try to talk her out of this mission of destruction. 152 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: Monica makes an offer. Okay, what about this, Darbin. I 153 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: understand that this is weird to be making a deal 154 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: right now while you're impaled, But what if Carol uses 155 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: her powers to restart the Kree Sun? Would that do it? 156 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: And Carol kind of like makes this kind of pulls 157 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: on the heartstrings a little bit like, let's you know, 158 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: peace and enough and I'm so sorry about everything that happened, 159 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: and it seems like it's a done deal. She frees Darben, 160 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: who immediately goes back on the perceived deal, steals the 161 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: other band off of Kamala, and then flies out to 162 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: fire up both bands and do this big sun stealing 163 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: portal thing. But then she disintegrates because it's just too 164 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: much power. She doesn't know how to use it. 165 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: Rip Dolben, Rip Darben. 166 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: I disagree with your actions, but I get the anger, 167 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: and I think it's justified. We should also. 168 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: Mention that Carol is so hated that they call her the. 169 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 3: Annihilate, like she is seen as like a genocidal villain. 170 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: So dar Been, I feel like, is more of a 171 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: resistance fight everything, even if methods are. 172 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: Not great, and I just completely I feel like, Monica, 173 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: could you not have come up with this plan earlier? 174 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: And like stop the wall? I feel like, I feel like, 175 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: come on, yeah. 176 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: Just come on, guys, just fix the sun already. And that, 177 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: by the way, doesn't even solve the water and air 178 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 2: problem anyway, So Darban is out. This explosion also disentangles 179 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: the Marvels, not officially their name, but we're gonna call. 180 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: Them, Yeah, we love that name Kamala. 181 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: Then they come up with a plan. Kamala uses both 182 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: bands and Carol using her powers herself. They fire just 183 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: huge blasts of energy at Monica, who absorbs them and 184 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: then goes over to the portals to close them using 185 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: this energy, But she has to really remain in the 186 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: aperture of the portal for the whole She can't just 187 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: like pop out Tony Stark in Marvels the Avenger style, 188 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: and so she ends up closed behind the portal wall 189 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: in another dimension. But Earth is saved Tarnack's sorry about it. 190 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 2: Sorry bro, Sorry bros. We can't figure it out in time. 191 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: But Earth is fine. 192 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: Look, let's we're gonna talk about this because one of 193 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: the most hilarious. 194 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: Like not necessarily a plot hole, but like a plot question. 195 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, when did they sell this like inter dimensional portal 196 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: network that we just never heard about until this movie? 197 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: I feel like to learn more about that? 198 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I want to. 199 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: Anyway, that's fine. That's the only planet that mattens in 200 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: the MCU. No one cares about the fallout. That's never 201 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: gonna come back and bite us. 202 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure planets are going to be people. 203 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: Of are are just fine with their newly dried out 204 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: shell of a planet. Anyway. In the six one six 205 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: h Kamala goes home to Earth and because the Marvels 206 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: never really again came together official, Kamala is like, I 207 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: need a team. I'm gonna start looking for other young 208 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: heroes on the come up to start a team. First up, 209 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: our good friend Kate Bishop Yes on the Hawkeye series, wonderful, 210 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: can't wait for this. 211 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: Fantastic we're talking about young Avengers. Baby, we know that's 212 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 3: where it's going to get it going get it going. 213 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: We've been waiting. Carol. 214 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: Then, as recompense, partial recompense for her crimes against the Creed, 215 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: she flies into the file, flies into the Krea sun 216 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: to fire it back up and it works Elsewhere in 217 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: another dimension, do do. Monica meets a variant of her mom, 218 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: Maria in the guise of the superhero Binerya, and she's 219 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: hanging out with Hank McCoy of the X Men, who 220 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: deduces the problem of alternate dimensions. Don don, let's talk 221 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: about this film. 222 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: Come on, isn't she great? I just love her so much. 223 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: We're so blessed to have her in the MCU. She 224 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 3: is like a breath of fresh air that we need. 225 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: She's that ultimate kind of in character for people like 226 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: us who love this. 227 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: Stuff, meta character. 228 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: She's a meta in character who's not an avatar in 229 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: any way, Like she gets to be her own person. 230 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: But we can all kind of laugh and be like, well, 231 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: that would be us, Like we would be the ones 232 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: with the bootleg the boot like Kamala Carroll ties. Actually, 233 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: let's talk about that, because you raised the good question 234 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: when we were doing pre question. 235 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: Do heroes like Carol who have merch profit off their name, 236 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: image and likeness. Who owns that ip? In the Marvel verse. 237 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: It's important, I. 238 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: Think because also we know that there's like, uh, you know, 239 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: Avengers musicals. We know that there's bootleg Marvels merch thanks 240 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: to the Avanngers incredible marvels. 241 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: Much so that means there must be legit merch. 242 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: There is a there is a trademark, right because you 243 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: would not be what you would You would just be 244 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: able to do boom. 245 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be a problem. So like, okay, so 246 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: is this like a Marvel comics esque. 247 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: Situation where when you join the Avengers, they own, like 248 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: Stark Industry owns your likeness? 249 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: Right? Sadly I believe that's the case. 250 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: I think Stocking really really sadly believe that that is 251 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: I do. 252 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: And I think Stark Industries has like a merchandising department 253 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: and that's why you're getting like Hawkeye dolls and Carol 254 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: Danvers T shirts. And it would be very interesting to 255 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: see that explored in a future episode of something or other, 256 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: because I doubt it will be in a movie, but. 257 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: The people want to know who's making the millions. 258 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: I think what happened is when the Avengers started up 259 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: and when all the versions of the teams were put 260 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: together under the under the banner of the Avengers, Tony 261 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: Stark handed people like a five hundred page contract and 262 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: in the contry tract is ownership of the IP and 263 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: the IP derived from the Avengers activities is the sole 264 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: property of Stark Industry. Now here's the question. Does Carol 265 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: and the other heroes act? Do they get a royalty 266 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: off of merch sold containing their name image like this 267 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: that's all? 268 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Is it like a work for hire gig? 269 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: Where like Tony is just getting all this money and 270 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: it's going into the Avengers Initiative bank accounts. 271 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to know more. 272 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that's how he's funding. 273 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: You know, he's a billionaire, but maybe that's how he's 274 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: like he's like, you want to get a new suit upgrade, 275 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: Well you need a T shirt, Give me that T 276 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: shot money. 277 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: That's how the Avengers is kind of like self. It's 278 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: sustaining in that way. 279 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,119 Speaker 3: Don't ask pepper pots get pepper pots on the podcast. 280 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Quinja, you know, gas for the Quinn Jet. 281 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: All the arrows quo ar, Yeah, I mean Clinton has 282 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: too many arrows. 283 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: We all know that, Like those. 284 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: That's like millions of dollars a year. Like, I, yeah, 285 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: this is an important question. This is exactly the kind 286 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 3: of question that nobody at Marvel wants answer because it's 287 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: completely ridiculous, but it's very important to us. 288 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: I think it's actually important world world building question. I 289 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: need to know more. 290 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: I need to know more. 291 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, let's talk about the action sequences are so good, 292 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: Like I think the stunt coordinators Joe McClaren, who did 293 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: Doctor Strange to an. 294 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: Overlord, which I love that movie. 295 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: And it is like so there's so much fun and 296 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: personality in these fight sequences. They tell us so much 297 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: about the characters. We get to see this yeh, quantum 298 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: entanglement mega fight between Saber Kamala Khan's house and wherever 299 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: Carol is maybe her own ship, and we yet to 300 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: see that Kamala has like really no idea how to 301 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: use her powers compared to Monica, who's just learning to 302 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: use them, compared to Carol, who's an old hand at 303 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: this point, and there's just so much fun to be had. 304 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: I think that's one of the big reasons why. You know, 305 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: another thing we kind of talked about in the pre 306 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 3: production stage of this episode is the movie didn't make 307 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: a lot of money, right, It came in that phase 308 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: of oh superha fatigue blah blah. 309 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: Blah, but now it's some dizzy, dominating narrative. That was 310 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: the dominating narrative of it. 311 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: But as we kind of said, it's a it's a 312 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 3: flawed narrative. It's not a holistic narrative in any way. 313 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: And once this hit Disney Plus, the conversation about this 314 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: movie changed, and suddenly every single person who watched this 315 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: movie on Disney Plus went, wait, why didn't I go 316 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: and see this at the cinema? 317 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: It was so good? 318 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 3: Like why did I miss out seeing this on the 319 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: big screen? And I think a big part of that 320 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: is those incredible fight sequences and the balance between comedy 321 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: and action, which feels a lot more akin to that 322 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: first phase of the MCU. 323 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: And to your point, what also felt a kin to 324 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: that first phase was were you watching Monica and Kamala 325 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: take their first steps in learning how to use their powers. 326 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: There's a there's a wonderful like level up feel where 327 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: throughout these set piece action sequences, you see Monica and 328 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: Kamala get a little better, a little better, a little 329 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: better each time at using their power, figuring out the synergy, 330 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: like how to use their power together, all three of them, Yeah, 331 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: and to enhance each other. That's really cool. And that 332 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: made the you know, the entanglement thing could have been 333 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 2: really annoying really fast. 334 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 335 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: I just felt like I'm not getting to feel my heroes. 336 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: Like we're putting this artificial uh ceiling on how powerful 337 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: our heroes could be in order to drive the plot, 338 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: but feel like that it's not like, yes, there was 339 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: this thing that was making it difficult for them, but 340 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: also they were very creative in figuring out how to 341 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: use it and how to how to work around it 342 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: and when to when to actually use their powers in 343 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: a way that would trigger the entanglement, that wouldn't become 344 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: important to do that, And I thought that was really cool. 345 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: It really worked, It really worked. 346 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: And also I think that Nia da Costa, who's the 347 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: director of this, director of Candy Man, just a great, 348 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: great director. I think she did a really fantastic job. 349 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: You know, post ant Man three, Quantumnia, everyone kind of 350 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: had that fear of it looking like that murky purple 351 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: overcged kind of space, and actually what we ended up 352 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: getting had so much fun practical setwork, whether it was 353 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: on Saber, whether it was on these different planets. 354 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: The use of the different planets. 355 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: And getting to visit different places gave it so many 356 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: different flavors. And I understand that making one of these 357 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: movies is never easy, and there was a lot of 358 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: conversation about reshoots and all that kind of stuff that 359 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: always happens with these big movies. 360 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: But I felt like the movie that we got Nia just. 361 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: Did such a good job bringing it all together and 362 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: making it feel like a really fun, quick, great adventure. 363 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: Like I can imagine for a lot of people this 364 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: could be their first MCU movie and they would just 365 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: get really really into it, and then they can go 366 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: back and discover everything else. 367 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: Part of what was so joyful was the extended musical 368 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: numbers like Alattna. Of course, the song and Dance and 369 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: Alatna that first of all brings out an entirely different 370 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: dimension to Carol's character and Breeze performance like a wonderful 371 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 2: Like you know, Carol is a hard ass character, both 372 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: in the comics and these movies. Yeah, she's very all 373 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: business and still tell me to smile, don't tell me, Yeah, 374 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: and I will do it myself. Yeah, you know, and 375 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: you could kind of extrapolate that all the way out 376 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: to again her her unwise to kill the Supreme Intelligence. 377 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: But this brought another aspect to her. While indeed it 378 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: was a political marriage important for the kind of stability 379 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: of internal Ladna politics, the way she carries out her 380 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: role is so delightful and it's also worthy. 381 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: Sands with Prince Ye. Yeah, like there's no way, it's 382 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 3: like beautiful, there's a love. 383 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: I was a big fan. But let's talk about Aladdina 384 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: because you look, so what's up with the Latin? Is 385 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: it just dry? Now? It was one hundred percent? 386 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: More? 387 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: Where's that gone? 388 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 2: Like? 389 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: Is it now twenty percent? Is it completely dried out? 390 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: Like? 391 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: What's going on? What's occurring? 392 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: I am I am very I'll just say that I'm 393 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: hopeful that in the way that Carol flew into the 394 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: Krea Sun in order to restart it, that she will 395 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: also say, well, also, okay, a Lotna, we've got to 396 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: do something for a Lotna. We got to figure out 397 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: the water situation. I'm hopeful that we will see the 398 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: heroes double back and do something for because what I 399 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: don't want to see happen is we just forget about them, 400 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: and that will one hundred come back on them. Like 401 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: the people of Aladna, who are wonderful, warm, generous, very 402 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: happy and contented in what appears by all accounts to 403 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: be like some sort of space utopia, I think they 404 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: will be very furious at what has happened to their planet, 405 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: and it will be a bad thing for our heroes. 406 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: They'll be doing an a dance number. 407 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: Yes, they'll be coming with like a more gothic like 408 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: furious revenge. So I mean, look, Carol, she just flew 409 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: into the sun cash, maybe she can like do some 410 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: like Captain Marvel fracking. 411 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: She can just fly down into the. 412 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: Movie. 413 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and then she can just let the 414 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: water back up from the depths of a ladina. I 415 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: believe she could do it. She flew into the sun. 416 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 3: She's basically the most overpowered character we've ever seen, So. 417 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: She can she can fly into the she can fly 418 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: into the depths of a ladiner and allow. 419 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: The beautiful springs that potentially bloom under there to come 420 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 3: to the top of the service. Come on, Carol, and 421 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: then work out the clean air one next. Come on, 422 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 3: this is on you. 423 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: Post credits, we get a vision of an X Men 424 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: in the MCU your thoughts about what this could possibly mean. 425 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: So if you listen to joompod Mia and Jason did 426 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: x then episode talk about X Men two thousand, So 427 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: sorry if you've already heard us vaguely talk about this, 428 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: But generally my feeling is, and I think this actually 429 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: aligns with what we are seeing in the Fantastic X 430 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: Men ninety seven animated series also on the Not So 431 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 3: Beligued Disney Plus. And I believe that what we're essentially 432 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: seeing here is a version of the X Men that 433 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: is heavily based on this cosmic space law. So I 434 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: think this is a she R X Men. This is 435 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: an X Men where the X Men are in space, 436 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: they are exploring space. That fits in with binary which 437 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: we'll get into a little bit later. And the fact 438 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: that we have a Hank McCoy played by you know, Frasier. 439 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: We don't have the young Hank McCoy, j we have 440 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: the Fraser Hank McCoy, So we're in a situation where 441 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 3: I think this is I think that doing a Shia Milandra, 442 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 3: this kind of alien space exploration side of the team 443 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense because it's never fully been explored. 444 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: It was kind of half explored in Dark Phoenix, but 445 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 3: they did darb Adr over the top, so it wasn't 446 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 3: the Landra. And the interesting thing is this is lining 447 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 3: up potentially with what we're seeing in X Men ninety 448 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: seven because we've seen glimpses of Lelandra in the opening 449 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 3: credits spoiler alert, cover your ears. 450 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: That might be where Charles is probably in that. 451 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: So we could be seeing them use the X Men 452 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: ninety seven series as a way of seeding more of 453 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: a general knowledge of this era and then having us 454 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: explore it in live action, as it would be a 455 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 3: relatively unique take. So I think this is going to matter. 456 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 3: It could lead to all of that. The question is 457 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: are they going to stick with this? I think this 458 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: is a very cool direction, So I hope that they 459 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: are going to stick with them. 460 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned binary, So let's do Who's Who. Every 461 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: show we close the show with a variety of fast 462 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: moving segments. Today it's Who's Who, in which we talk 463 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 2: about some of our favorite weird characters from are given universes. 464 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: Not a weird character at all, really, it's a weird 465 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: episode in a character's evolution. I would say in this episode, Rosie, oh, 466 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: I ask you, I implore you, tell us about Binary, 467 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: Maria Rambo's code name in the post credits scene, who 468 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: is Binary? 469 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: Well, this is a very interesting and complex story. So 470 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: first of all, let's start by saying in the comics, 471 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: Carol is binary rather than Maria Monica's mother. Right, So 472 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: that's the start. We'll get to why I think that's 473 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 3: a cool choice a little bit later. So binary appears 474 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: in Uncanny X Men one sixty four legendary important part 475 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: of the story, and that is a new name for Carol. 476 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: Carrol's already existed at this point since Marvel Superos thirteen, 477 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 3: And basically what we learn. 478 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Here is that. 479 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: Carol has gained these unbelievable new powers. In the words 480 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: of Chris Claremont, a freak accident combined the best genetic 481 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: elements of a human and the ancient starfaring race of 482 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 3: the Cree. But that did not make Binary. For that 483 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: to happen, Carol had to lose her powers to Rogue, 484 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: which is very interesting because we're kind of seeing a 485 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 3: version of Rogue that has gained some of Carol's powers. 486 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 3: In X Men ninety seven, without them getting that side. 487 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: The ability to fly and the super strength that Rogue 488 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: has that's not her natural power. That's the result of 489 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: her contact with Carol, and she siphoned off some of 490 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: Carol's powers and those powers stuck for reasons kind of unexplained. 491 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we learn is basically that the Brood 492 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: kidnapped the X Men, including Carol, because this is when 493 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: she was hanging around with them a lot, and they 494 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: experimented on her and her modified genes thanks to the 495 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: Cree experimentations, reacted to the Brood's meddling, and in the 496 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: depths of space, created the hero known as Binary. Now 497 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 3: that's kind of the on page story, but there was 498 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: an off page story that kind of shaped it as well, 499 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: which was that Chris Clermont wanted to give Carol Danvers 500 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: aka and Miss Marvel a kind of new heroic story 501 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: because her representation on the page had often leaned into 502 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: like misogyny objectification. Yes, and there was a story decisions 503 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: with real bad decisions. Well, yeah, there was a storyline 504 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: in Avengers where Carol discovers she's pregnant and the baby 505 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: is growing a lot faster Twilight Renezme style. You know. 506 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: Three days late, three issues later, Carol gives birth, but 507 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: she loses all of her agency and control over her body, 508 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: and it turns out that the Sun that she has 509 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: given birth to is actually a man who raped her 510 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: to get her pregnant and forced her to give birth 511 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: so that he could be reborn. 512 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: So lots of bad stuff. 513 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: Basically that led to Claremont then going, well, I'm going 514 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: to include Carol and the X Men and give her 515 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: a new story. I'm going to fix this, and he 516 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: loved Miss Marvel. He actually loved the character. But he 517 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: was like, I want Binary to be given this. I 518 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: want her to be given this whole new role as 519 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 3: this kind of superstar space hero who can do anything, 520 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: who's super overpowered. 521 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: So that's who Binary is. Now. 522 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: What's really cool about them making Maria Binary here is 523 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: in the first Captain Marvel movie. One of the critiques 524 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 3: that some of us had was it ignored the fact 525 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 3: and actually kind of took from the storyline of the 526 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: first female Captain Marvel in the comics, which was Monica Rambo, 527 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 3: who gained her powers in a very similar way to 528 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: the way that Carol Danvers gained her powers in the 529 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: first Captain Marvel movie and Stephanie Williams, a great comic 530 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: book writer and cultural critic, did a really good thread 531 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 3: about this, and we were kind of it was one 532 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: of those things that fans were kind of bummed about. 533 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: It felt like it ignored the great storyline and the 534 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: fact that was quite a radical moment to have, like 535 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: a black woman as your first female Captain Marvel. So 536 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: giving Maria this part of Carol's storyline is actually a 537 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: really cool way to recognize that and to expand her role, 538 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: especially because she could have easily have just got the 539 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: powers that Carol did. And this is kind of we 540 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: would assume an alternate world where in that scenario where 541 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: they were both, you know, in flight school, it was 542 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 3: Maria who got. 543 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: The powers rather than Carol. 544 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: So it's really cool binary as a super rad, incredibly 545 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: powerful space character who would lean very heavily into that 546 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: realm that we're talking about of that kind of sher 547 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: space Starjammas Corsair kind of X Men, And I really 548 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: hope we get to see that binary going forward, because 549 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 3: I think that this is an interesting and good way 550 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: for the X Men to to work in the MCU, 551 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: And I think this is a really cool reimagining of 552 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: the character because you don't need our Carol Danvers to 553 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: be binary anymore, because she is Captain Marvel and she's fantastic. 554 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 3: But let's let binary have this other world. There is 555 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: this really fun old universe reimagining that also kind of 556 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: gets to be a little bit of a correction of 557 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: a not a mistake, but a choice that the first Captain. 558 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: Marvel movie made. So yeah, that's binary. She's great. 559 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode. See you next time. 560 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, see you next time, guys. 561 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jesus Gets and Rosie 562 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive 563 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer 564 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: is a Boo Zafar. 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