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Speaker 1: We are charting the course of America's cultural comeback, generally

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Speaker 1: I am actually in Miami. We're recording this in the past,

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Speaker 1: talk about what the one last Point segment is. In

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Speaker 1: on Real America's Voice, watch and enjoy, and we will

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Speaker 1: see you Monday. God bless America. We bought a new car,

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Speaker 1: and while I'm very excited about the car itself, I

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Speaker 1: hated the entire process of it. This is one last point,

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Speaker 1: you know, how when you buy a car. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that everybody has bought a car at some point.

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Speaker 1: New York, where, like I am Carlist, I'm entirely green,

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Speaker 1: you at home have bought a car. My wife and

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Speaker 1: I bought a new car the other day. And when

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Speaker 1: But the process of buying a car, as many of

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Speaker 1: We we make the joke of I currently driving a

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Speaker 1: My wife is not a run the credit card built up.

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Speaker 1: though that's what you're gonna get if you're buying a

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Speaker 1: like I like, I know the gambit, I know the game.

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Speaker 1: And that's and that's for some reason just accepted in

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Speaker 3: we were talking about yesterday's episode, Yes, and you had

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Speaker 3: I think my first comment to you was, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, no, it really is because I know and I

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Speaker 2: But you know, hearing this, I can relate. I bought

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Speaker 3: It's currently a two thousand and nine Kia Sportage that

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Speaker 3: I bought new back in two thousand and nine, and

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Speaker 3: that was my first new car, and I remember having

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Speaker 3: I did have cash in hand, it wasn't mine. I

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Speaker 3: But the price of the car changes based on how

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Speaker 3: very frustrating that you couldn't just see the price, pay

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Speaker 3: the price and get the thing. But yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 3: just the scam of it all. It's it's very I

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Speaker 3: mean I say scam. It's not really like an illegal scam,

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Speaker 3: although it seems ethically nebulous, but.

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Speaker 1: It's but it's able to be perpetrated in a society

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Speaker 1: a little bit and turns out not really. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to bury the lead here. Yeah, it turns out

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Speaker 1: not exactly something that you're definitely born with. There were

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Speaker 1: two different studies that came up, one from the Journal

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Speaker 1: of Consumer Research, which obviously they would want to know

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Speaker 1: whether or not frugality is a learned trait or it's

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Speaker 1: innate and you're born with. It turns out the hereditability

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Speaker 1: heritability maybe that's how you pronounce that, is estimated between

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Speaker 1: twenty and thirty percent, with the conclusion being that it's

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Speaker 1: actually mostly environmental causes that make somebody either frugal or not.

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Speaker 1: There was another study in twenty eleven. That first one

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Speaker 1: was in nineteen ninety nine that effectively did the same

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Speaker 1: type of thing and found that it's about twenty five

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Speaker 1: percent heritability, and then also another thirty to forty percent

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Speaker 1: tacked on with upbringing and family environment, and then the

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Speaker 1: rest is like unique experience. What builds a frugal person,

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Speaker 1: what builds a person that is a savor as opposed

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Speaker 1: to somebody that just spends their money willy nilly. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: it is about twenty five percent. About a quarter of

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Speaker 1: you is inherited through genes or genetics, whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to call it, that impacts your decision making as far

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Speaker 1: as at least in this particular case, frugality and financial experiences.

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Speaker 1: But I thought that was actually a good thing in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, because to me, a quarter of you being

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Speaker 1: born frugal, which I think I probably have to have

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Speaker 1: had that quarter like that, that's all that space is

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Speaker 1: taken up. But that also said to me, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: then seventy five percent of it is learned, Like seventy

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Speaker 1: five can be taught. People can be taught in this

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Speaker 1: particular case, you know, frugality and how to manage money

462
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Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff. But also just like politics. Right,

463
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Speaker 1: if if what you inherit in the way that you

464
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Speaker 1: think about things is biologically only about twenty five percent,

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Speaker 1: and that recognizes is kind of like a soft science

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Speaker 1: and people are kind of guessing at this. But if

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Speaker 1: that's the case and that's what the research has come

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Speaker 1: to the conclusion of, then to me, that says, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the personality then can be taught

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Speaker 1: specific things that are good or bad. Right, you can

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Speaker 1: go down either path, and ideally, obviously you teach somebody

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Speaker 1: how to do the good portion of that, which is

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Speaker 1: save financially, which is to be frugal, which is you

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Speaker 1: know how to conduct yourself on a financial platform. But

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Speaker 1: I guess also then a political and lifestyle platform, that

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Speaker 1: to me is good news. I think the more of

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Speaker 1: you that is able to be taught and guided in

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Speaker 1: the proper direction. Now, obviously, assuming that proper direction guidance exists,

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Speaker 1: the better because I don't know, if you were to

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Speaker 1: tell me like ninety percent of the human personalities already

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Speaker 1: like set in stone at birth, that's kind of concerning, honestly,

482
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Speaker 1: And there's really nothing you can do to move the needle.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that there's this much leeway space again

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Speaker 1: allegedly seventy five percent of the person in this particular

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Speaker 1: example is you know, learned and taught and molded by

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Speaker 1: experiences and family environment and all that sort of stuff

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Speaker 1: that to me says there's a lot of ability to

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Speaker 1: move the needle one way or the other. And to

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Speaker 1: me that that's that's good news. Producer Glenn, I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: do you think I honestly got think that? Well, if

491
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Speaker 1: I look back at my family, my grandparents were super frugal.

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Speaker 1: I had, I had two sets of grandparents like everyone does.

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Speaker 1: I've got the immigrant grandparents who immigrant grandparents are as

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Speaker 1: frugal as frugality gets right, Like there are no find

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Speaker 1: an immigrant grandparent doesn't from where, like if they're from

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Speaker 1: the Samoa like my grandparents, or like Eastern Europe or Africa,

497
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Speaker 1: anywhere that you come from. If you come into this country.

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Speaker 1: You are the penny pinchiest person in the history of

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Speaker 1: the world. I remember my grandma Glenn. I don't this this? Uh, Well,

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Speaker 1: in some cultures, in Polynesian culture, you do a money dance, right,

501
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Speaker 1: you do a siva at a wedding, you know, you

502
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Speaker 1: dance and people throw money at you. I remember my

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Speaker 1: grandma at one of my cousin's birthday parties, was on

504
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Speaker 1: the floor picking up dollar bills that weren't hers. But

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Speaker 1: she was like, well, there's money on the ground. Anyways.

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Speaker 1: All that's me said, is I two sets of grandparents.

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Speaker 1: My my mom's parents too, were also very very very

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Speaker 1: very frugal and spent their money in things that like

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Speaker 1: made sense to purchase, not necessarily were uh they were

510
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Speaker 1: there were necessities, not necessarily you know, frivolous purchases. Anyways, producer,

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Speaker 1: long winded way of asking, where do you fall on

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Speaker 1: that spectrum of uh, saving money and having a financial plan,

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Speaker 1: Like where do you feel like, oh, I was born

514
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Speaker 1: with this, or I have a brother or sister who

515
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Speaker 1: was not born with this, and it shows where where's

516
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Speaker 1: that for you?

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Speaker 3: Let me just take this opportunity to ask for an

518
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Speaker 3: advance on my paycheck.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm totally kidding. I'm totally kidding.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I think, uh, I mean, I'm one of three brothers,

521
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Speaker 3: no sisters, and I'm the oldest of the three, so

522
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking in terms of my family growing up, and

523
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Speaker 3: the youngest of the three was easily the most frugal,

524
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Speaker 3: much like much like our father who was is or

525
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Speaker 3: he's retired now, he's still alive, but he's he may

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Speaker 3: be watching this on YouTube at some point in the

527
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Speaker 3: near futures.

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Speaker 2: So he'll let me know.

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Speaker 3: But he was pretty frugild as an accountant and just

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Speaker 3: generally his personality.

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Speaker 2: It was frugal.

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Speaker 3: The youngest brother learned that. The middle and me, the oldest,

533
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Speaker 3: we learned it later. I didn't start off super frugal.

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Speaker 3: As soon as I got a job, I had spending money.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have saving money, and I think, I.

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Speaker 2: Want to say, around my mid twenties.

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Speaker 3: I think I was twenty six or so when I

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Speaker 3: first started like saving for retirement, and immediately like it

539
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Speaker 3: was it was the moment when you realize, oh shoot,

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Speaker 3: so that that gets invested and grows.

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Speaker 2: Like all these years, I better start now, Oh shoot.

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Speaker 3: Then you realize should have started like you know, when

543
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Speaker 3: I started working, but you know, say le'll be it's

544
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Speaker 3: gone right. You can only do with what you've got now,

545
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Speaker 3: So I figured out, and I transition for more of

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Speaker 3: a guy who liked to spend all his money on

547
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Speaker 3: things that he wanted in the moment to someone who.

548
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Speaker 2: Clearly still buys plenty of books.

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Speaker 3: Which I love, but I also do make a priority

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Speaker 3: of saving and hopefully for the right things. And now

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Speaker 3: that I'm also married, that helps too, because it's not

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Speaker 3: just me affected by my good or bad decisions.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like circumstance, though, like circumstance will push people into frugality.

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Speaker 1: And again this is a this is a subset of

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Speaker 1: a broader understanding of like how human personalities and characteristics

556
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Speaker 1: are developed. I guess, but I don't know. I was

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Speaker 1: surprised it seems like this slow of a number, which

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Speaker 1: because at a certain point, right if if so much

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Speaker 1: of the way that you make decisions is hereditary driven,

560
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Speaker 1: then there's a certain point where it becomes difficult to

561
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Speaker 1: blame somebody for bad decisions, right, Like it becomes difficult

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Speaker 1: to you know, again, if ninety percent of you and

563
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Speaker 1: the ninety percent of people were like well, this is

564
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Speaker 1: just this is just they're born with this and they

565
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Speaker 1: have massive amounts of credit card debt. Like at a certain

566
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Speaker 1: point you got to go ah, like shucks, like they

567
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Speaker 1: didn't have any choice. But considering the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it seems like such a small number or something that

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Speaker 1: you're born with. And yeah, environmental factors factor in.

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Speaker 3: This is this cultural I think we talked about this

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Speaker 3: last time. There's cultural yeah factors as well. So like

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Speaker 3: if you grew up around people who just took out debt,

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Speaker 3: chances are you're likely to do what you've seen other

574
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Speaker 3: people do. Around people that invested their savings, like you know, religiously,

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Speaker 3: chances are you'll probably be more apt to invest what

576
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Speaker 3: you earn and instead of spending it or just true but.

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Speaker 1: But but also too like culture is a choice, right,

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Speaker 1: like you can you you and we, fortunately enough have

579
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Speaker 1: inherited the culture of the West. But at the same

580
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Speaker 1: time it is our choice to participate in that culture.

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Speaker 1: I am much more likely to have sympathy for and

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Speaker 1: help somebody who is you know, born to an entirely

583
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Speaker 1: you know, a big disadvantage, right, Like if there's some

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Speaker 1: physical limitters, uh, some mental limitters one hundred percent am

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Speaker 1: willing to help people out on that. I'm not easily

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Speaker 1: willing to help somebody out who made a choice that

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Speaker 1: makes it more difficult for them to help themselves. In

588
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Speaker 1: other words, like if you've got a big face tattoo

589
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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, shoot, I can't find a job, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much sympathy I have for you

591
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Speaker 1: because of that choice. But again, if you know you're

592
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Speaker 1: you know, physically deformed in some way, shape or form

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Speaker 1: that doesn't allow you to participate in the workforce, I

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Speaker 1: much would rather help those people through our church community

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Speaker 1: as opposed to the government. But I'm willing to help you,

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Speaker 1: right And so like, to me, this says, hey, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of room for personal choices and personal growth,

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Speaker 1: not coming from a hereditary element, but coming from you know,

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Speaker 1: the culture that you exist in, unique experiences that happen

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Speaker 1: to you. But those things definitely shape you, which says

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Speaker 1: to me, Okay, in a lot of ways, there are

602
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Speaker 1: decisions that people make that either put them on a

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Speaker 1: good or bad trajectory. Yeah, and honestly it's really none

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Speaker 1: of my business, but I don't I don't particularly have

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Speaker 1: a ton of sympathy for people who make decisions now

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Speaker 1: again that there's obviously a much bigger conversation of redemp there. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm totally a fan of that, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you can acknowledge that you've made some poor decisions

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Speaker 1: in this case financially, but you know, other life decisions,

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Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent willing to help people who

611
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Speaker 1: are on the pathway to redemption. But for people, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially in our political system, they're like, well, you know,

613
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Speaker 1: this debt just happened to them because of the way

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Speaker 1: that they are like not not really buying that argument really.

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Speaker 3: Now, I like the data that you provided, I mean

616
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Speaker 3: kind of it's it's it's from a soft science, so it's.

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Speaker 2: Hard to say.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to tell specifically, but I mean broad strokes,

619
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Speaker 3: these are all learnable things. It's not something that you are,

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Speaker 3: you know, faded to experience throughout your life. If you

621
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Speaker 3: look and you say, wow, I'm I'm making poor financial

622
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Speaker 3: decisions and you see someone who shows you a better

623
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Speaker 3: way you can learn the better way, you can change

624
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Speaker 3: your trajectory. You can do the hy REFI and get

625
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Speaker 3: yourself fixed up right, Yeah, and you're off to the races.

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Speaker 2: You know, plenty of people go from.

627
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Speaker 3: Rags to riches and vice versa because they started off

628
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Speaker 3: one way and at some point change.

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Speaker 2: Their trajectory rather for better or worse.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I like that that's the case, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I was bound to spend money the

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Speaker 3: way I did when I got my first job at eighteen, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't think we'd have ever met, because I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have been shooting super high to do anything.

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Speaker 1: You know. Well, the one I guess the thing that

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Speaker 1: I often forget Glenn, and I think will just end

637
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Speaker 1: on this, but I had forgotten about white privilege. That's

638
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Speaker 1: actually the only way that you can gain any sort

639
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Speaker 1: of momentum in life. It's by for some reason people

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Speaker 1: believe your skin color. So there's that. Maybe maybe that

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Speaker 1: will be the next die tribe that leads in to

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Speaker 1: the following One last point that you will see on Monday.

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Speaker 1: I remember, we only do these Monday through Thursday. One

644
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Speaker 1: last point, but you watch the Real Show on Real

645
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: America's Voice Monday through Friday. Get a whole extra day there.

646
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Speaker 1: But producer, Glenn, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: We will.

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Speaker 1: This has been one last point. So much grace has

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Speaker 1: been given to the Trump administration, says absolutely no one.

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Speaker 1: This is one last point. It's really interesting the perspectives

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Speaker 1: people have in the differences of how it is that

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Speaker 1: they are treated. There's a video we're gonna play here

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Speaker 1: of Michelle Obama talking to I think it's Good Morning America,

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Speaker 1: which she's talking about, you know, the struggles that she

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Speaker 1: and or husband had to endure in the White House

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Speaker 1: as opposed to to what is this different for you guys,

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Speaker 1: And it's not for everybody else. Everybody else had this,

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Speaker 1: you know, this fantastic grace period from the media, you know,

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Speaker 1: except for you know, conservatives, or except for you know, Trump,

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Speaker 1: or except for you know, anybody else. Bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: she says something that is so ubiquitously untrue that it

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Speaker 1: kind of makes you think, oh my gosh. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you actually believe this, Michelle, I could see why you

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Speaker 1: think the country is the way that it is not.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a there's a certain element of you're

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Speaker 1: only able to dream up fascinations or or inconsistencies with

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Speaker 1: reality if you believe something like this. I'll stop talking

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Speaker 1: about and just play it really quick. This is Michelle

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Speaker 1: Obama on Good Morning America. Watch this.

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Speaker 5: You said, we were all too aware that as a

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Speaker 5: first black couple, we couldn't afford any misstep. Foreman, I

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Speaker 5: was under a particularly when it hot.

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Speaker 1: Sorry I muted the wrong one to cough. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna play it from this part again.

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Speaker 5: We were all too aware that as a first black couple,

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Speaker 5: we couldn't afford any missteps. Yeah, and you also say,

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Speaker 5: as a black woman, I was under a particularly white

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Speaker 5: hot Glaire, did you feel.

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Speaker 4: That for sure you can't afford to get anything wrong

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Speaker 4: because you didn't get the at least until the country

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Speaker 4: came to know us. We didn't get the grace that

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Speaker 4: I think some other families have gotten.

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Speaker 1: What in the hell is she talking about? Like, honest

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Speaker 1: to god? So okay, uh, yes, the the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: has received tons of grace from the DC establishments, the

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Speaker 1: political elites, the media, the mainstream media. They they've received

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Speaker 1: so much greats that the Amas did not get because

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Speaker 1: they're black, which by the way, is totally untrue. Right,

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Speaker 1: Like we're being sarcastic and sydirical. Would we say that

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration has gotten any grace or any leeway

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Speaker 1: from all of the power players in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: To assume that would make you crazy, and then on

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Speaker 1: top of that, to inaccurately diagnose what's happening, but then

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Speaker 1: to say because it's because we're black, blows my mind.

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Speaker 1: I honest, God, don't know where to go with this,

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Speaker 1: because it's so outside of the realm of reality that

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Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult to even you know, make any

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Speaker 1: arguments against it, right, Like, the basis of it is untrue,

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Speaker 1: and then the diagnosis of the untrue thing is also ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: which leaves you in a spot of going like do

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Speaker 1: we even take this seriously? Like is this even a

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Speaker 1: thing that we like pretend like, oh yeah, well, let's

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Speaker 1: look at this from a serious and you know, political

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Speaker 1: and media scope. Let's look at this as a real

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Speaker 1: complaint and a real concern. I don't know that there

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Speaker 1: has been a president in the history of this country

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Speaker 1: that has gotten more leniency, more grace, especially early on,

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Speaker 1: than Barack Obama. I don't know that there has been

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Speaker 1: a president that has been able to skate by and

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Speaker 1: avoid the criticisms of the mainstream media like Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: had and continues to have. Remember, Barack Obama win campaigning

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Speaker 1: for Kamala Harris. This last cycle reiterated many of the

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Speaker 1: lies that have been debunked thoroughly over the last ten years,

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Speaker 1: specifically the good people on both sides thing. Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: himself said that he knows it's not true. We know

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Speaker 1: it's not true. Everybody with half an inclination to dive

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Speaker 1: into something at a minimal level knows that it's not true.

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Speaker 2: And yet he still said it and suffered.

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Speaker 1: Zero political consequences for it. So what world, Michelle? Was

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Speaker 1: there some lack of grace period that you didn't get

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Speaker 1: because of the melanin continent content in your skin that

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Speaker 1: other presidents have gotten? When was the Trump grace period?

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Speaker 1: I must have missed that. I must have must have

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Speaker 1: completely surpassed my recognition of it because I must have

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Speaker 1: been asleep. I don't know. Maybe I was the thirty

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Speaker 1: second grace period that the Trump administration got. Was if

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Speaker 1: there was any, it was about that long. I probably was,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, asleep. Actually, that's probably not true. I

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Speaker 1: was probably eating pizza because of the time change during

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Speaker 1: the inauguration, which is the only timeframe that that thirty

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Speaker 1: seconds could have happened. I probably was getting pizza because

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Speaker 1: I was on you know, the West coast. It was

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Speaker 1: nine pm, but it was midnight on the East coast.

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Speaker 1: And so during that thirty second grace period that the

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Speaker 1: media gave the president, I probably was at a late

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Speaker 1: night pizza place. That's why I missed it. Bottom line

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Speaker 1: here is the grace period that is afforded to others

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Speaker 1: was apparently not afforded to the Obamas, which is the

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Speaker 1: opposite of true, and the opposite of true. Happened because

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Speaker 1: of course they were black, which not to go in

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Speaker 1: on this. Do you think and I'm genuinely curious email

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Speaker 1: the show TBT at TPUSA dot com. Producer Glenn has

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Speaker 1: some thoughts one second Clinton or comment on on on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Barack Obama got more votes or

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Speaker 1: less votes because he he was black? I would I

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Speaker 1: would be I would stake my entire net worth on

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Speaker 1: the fact that he got more votes. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton got more votes because she was a woman

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Speaker 1: or less? All of the things that libs complained about constantly,

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, are the opposite of what they actually are.

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton got more votes because she was a woman.

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Speaker 1: She lost because she's a terrible candidate, but she did

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Speaker 1: better than she would have had she been a man.

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama gotten more votes because he was black, not

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Speaker 1: because of He didn't get less votes because he claims

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Speaker 1: all the country was racist, which is just factually untrue.

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Speaker 1: And race relations got worse under Obama. But we don't

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Speaker 1: need to go into that whole thing. But the bottom

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Speaker 1: line here is Barack Obama got more votes because he

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Speaker 1: was black. Hillary Clinton got more votes because she was

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Speaker 1: a woman. And yet continually there's a claim of, wow,

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Speaker 1: we didn't get the same grace period that other presidents get. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: let me know when that grace period starts for the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration or if I missed it entirely. Glenn, your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about the grace period comment, and I

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Speaker 3: had just finished Eric Trump's book Under Siege, and he

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Speaker 3: mentions in the book that there was about seventeen minutes

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Speaker 3: I think he said, It's like seventeen or nineteen minutes,

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Speaker 3: a very small number of minutes after Trump was inaugurated

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Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, before the first mainstream media I forget

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Speaker 3: the outlet, they had posted an article about now's the

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Speaker 3: time to start impeachment. He was president for twenty damn minutes,

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Speaker 3: and they had already written this article and they posted

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Speaker 3: it on inauguration day, Like, what kind of grace period

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Speaker 3: was that? Because you know, they didn't write it within

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Speaker 3: those it was already planned out.

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Speaker 2: There was never a plan for any kind of grace.

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Speaker 2: And you are completely correct.

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Speaker 3: Obama got so much grace and probably more so than

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Speaker 3: any president in my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Well, the one thing, one thing that we know for

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Speaker 1: sure is true, that seventeen minute window in which there

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Speaker 1: was a grace period for President Trump before they started

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Speaker 1: calling for impeachments would have been only you know, fourteen

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Speaker 1: minutes if he were black.

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Speaker 2: So, of course, of course, because.

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Speaker 1: Of because of racism, yes, exactly, Glenn, thank you, you're

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Speaker 1: catching on. Thank you for uh, you know, glombing onto

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Speaker 1: the message here.

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Speaker 3: It's uh, you know, and it's it's tough as obviously

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Speaker 3: a white man. You know, I can't understand the experience

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Speaker 3: of anyone other than white men because.

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Speaker 2: Racism, right, because of racism, yes, no, but back.

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Speaker 3: In reality, I think it's it's uh, it's very sad

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Speaker 3: to see Michelle talk like this, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: if she actually believes it, Like, yeah, I think part

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Speaker 3: of me, my brain, says she doesn't believe this, but

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Speaker 3: she thinks a lot of the audience believes it. So

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Speaker 3: she's maybe playing into that idea, which is totally racist.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 2: But what if she does, Like how sad is that

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Speaker 2: to limit yourself by that?

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Speaker 1: That is the actual problem. Like if they actually believe it,

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Speaker 1: that's when you have a like uh oh, like we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to do something about this, because holy cow,

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Speaker 1: this is this is where things go off the rails fast.

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Speaker 1: Because when Steven people like not to give any no

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Speaker 1: pun intended not to give any grace to people who

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Speaker 1: say things that they don't believe. Uh, but you actually

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Speaker 1: believe it, That's that's worse. And that's been a running

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Speaker 1: theme on this show, like are they stupid or do

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Speaker 1: they actually believe this thing that they are saying? But

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Speaker 1: fascinating We I guess we'll never know. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as far as right now, I guess the only the

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Speaker 1: only option is to take her out her work. Maybe

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Speaker 1: she does in fact believe it, and maybe we are

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Speaker 1: in fact doomed if more and more people start believing this. Producer, Glenn,

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Speaker 1: I will see you at the next privilege meeting. As

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Speaker 1: you are white, and I have been called white adjacent

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Speaker 1: because I believe in conservative values. By in the Internet

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Speaker 1: does not accept that. The is are you bringing the

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Speaker 1: chips and I'm bringing this alsa or what?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: How does the privilege meeting work that's coming up here?

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Speaker 3: It's proportionate to your privilege. So I'll be bringing more chips.

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Speaker 3: You'd just bring a few.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic This has been one last point. Thanks for tuning again,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Turning Point Tonight. We're together. We've been

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Speaker 1: charting the course of America's cultural comeback. As you can see,

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Speaker 1: you're still on the road currently in jackson actually currently

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Speaker 1: probably in Miami, but was filming this in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: I hope that you've.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed some of our kind of one last points. It's

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Speaker 1: a little bit different than the show, but we kind

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Speaker 1: of just you know, talk about things that are interesting

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Speaker 1: and producer Glen ways in and you know, anything can happen.

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Speaker 1: But you can only find those usually at our Turning

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Speaker 1: Point Tonight YouTube channel, so go subscribe there. Monica Page

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Speaker 1: did a fantastic report on the Supreme Court taking up

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Speaker 1: President Trump's tariffs, which I would love to play for

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Speaker 1: you now, because it's a very important thing, and whatever

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court decides is going to be very very interesting,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to do it sooner than later.

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Speaker 2: So check this out.

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Speaker 1: From turning points, White House correspondent Monica Page.

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Speaker 6: We're here outside the Supreme Court where oral arguments begin

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Speaker 6: in the case involving the legality of President Trump's tariffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Looking for leverage. I'm looking for fairness.

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Speaker 1: We want reciprocal as much as possible.

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Speaker 6: The Trump administration faces off against small businesses and a

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Speaker 6: group of states who believe most of the tariffs had

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Speaker 6: put in place are illegal and should be struck down.

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Speaker 6: In implementing the sweeping tariffs on nearly all imported goods

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Speaker 6: from nearly all US trading partners, the president used the

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Speaker 6: nineteen seventy seven International Emergency Economic Powers Act, otherwise known

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Speaker 6: as AIPA. The text of IIPA says the President has

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Speaker 6: the power to quote regulate the importation of foreign property

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Speaker 6: during national emergencies. President Trump first invoked this law back

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Speaker 6: in February to tax goods from China, Mexico, and Canada,

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Speaker 6: arguing drug trafficking from those countries. Specifically constituted an emergency

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Speaker 6: for contexts. The White House previously credited this nineteen seventy

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Speaker 6: seven act for its speed and flexibility, and by declaring

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Speaker 6: this emergency Act under the law, the president can issue

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Speaker 6: immediate orders and bypass longer processes. The Administration deployed it

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Speaker 6: again on April second, ranging from ten percent to fifty

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Speaker 6: percent tariffs on goods from nearly every country in the world.

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Speaker 7: Our country and its taxpayers have been ripped off for

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Speaker 7: more than fifty years, but it is not going to

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Speaker 7: happen anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 6: We've already seen some positives that Trump's tariffs have had

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Speaker 6: on our economy and relationships overseas. For example, Treasury Secretary

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Speaker 6: Scott Besson says, if it wasn't for AIBA, the fentanyl

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Speaker 6: situation involving China would be far worse.

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Speaker 1: It is matter of national security. The Chinese agreed to

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Speaker 1: start working to bring down the precursors for fentanyl.

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Speaker 6: The administration also says that thanks to these tariffs, we

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Speaker 6: will significantly cut the deficit.

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Speaker 7: In fact, this year alone, we are going to cut

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Speaker 7: the deficit by six hundred billion dollars. Namely because of

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Speaker 7: the President's effective use of teriffs.

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Speaker 6: And it could even go as far as giving the

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Speaker 6: American people a rebate.

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Speaker 3: We have so much money coming in, we're thinking about

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Speaker 3: a little rebate.

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Speaker 1: But the big thing we want to do is pay

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Speaker 1: down debt.

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Speaker 2: But with thinking about or rebate.

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Speaker 6: So what happens next? If the court rules the tariffs

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Speaker 6: are illegal, the president's trade strategy may be in trouble.

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Speaker 6: Reports also say the government may have to refund some

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Speaker 6: of the billions of dollars that already collected through these tariffs.

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Speaker 6: But the president has a backup plan.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you the White House is always preparing for

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Speaker 7: Plan B. It would be imprudent of the President's advisors

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Speaker 7: not to prepare for such a situation.

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Speaker 6: Even political reports at the White House is ready to

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Speaker 6: quote fall back on a patchwork of other trade statutes

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Speaker 6: to keep pressure on US trading partners and preserve billions

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Speaker 6: in tariff revenue. President Trump recently weighed in ahead of

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Speaker 6: these oral arguments, raising alarms if he does not win

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Speaker 6: this case.

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Speaker 1: I think our country would be immeasurably hurt.

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Speaker 2: I think our economy.

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Speaker 6: And he also took to truth social expressing just how

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Speaker 6: high the stakes are in this case, calling it quote,

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Speaker 6: life or death for this country. But Press Secretary Caroline

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Speaker 6: Levitt conveyed confidence from the podium.

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Speaker 7: We are one hundred percent confident in the President and

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Speaker 7: his team's legal argument in the merits of the law

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Speaker 7: in this case, and we remain optimistic that the Supreme

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Speaker 7: Court is going to do the right thing.

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Speaker 6: And what House spokesman Push Decai exclusively shares with us

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Speaker 6: here at Frontlines a message of hope, saying, quote, President

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Speaker 6: Trump lawfully exercised the emergency tear off powers granted to

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Speaker 6: the executive branch by Congress, and the administration is confident

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Speaker 6: in its ultimate victory on this matter by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 6: While the White House expresses optimism ahead of the arguments,

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Speaker 6: its ruling will either cement or gut one of the

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Speaker 6: boldest executive trade gambles in history. From the Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: for Front Lines, with turning point, I'm Monica, page