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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt, my name is

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. How's how's everybody feeling

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Speaker 1: back for another week? I'm feeling awesome. Can I tell

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Speaker 1: you a quick story? Please? Okay? So my son is

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Speaker 1: aware of Star Wars. We haven't watched any of the

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Speaker 1: and he knows what a lightsaber is, and he's real

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Speaker 1: hyped about lightsabers. So does he say it? He says

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Speaker 1: this sound. He goes, who. Well, So I realized that

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Speaker 1: my wife and I had an old stash of glow sticks,

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Speaker 1: because you know, everybody's just got some glow sticks hanging

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Speaker 1: your twenties, Ruth bro cool. Okay, so I realized that

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Speaker 1: and he gets to and he pretends that he's Yoda,

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Speaker 1: always Yoda, and we have lightsaber battles with glow sticks

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Speaker 1: now almost nightly. You think it's because Yoda is like

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Speaker 1: gotta be it. That's gotta be a mind control powers.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a selling point. Yeah. And he does forced

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Speaker 1: Where is that in the lexicon? Though? Forced tornadoes? That?

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Speaker 1: Did he make that up? Or is that canon? Pretty

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Speaker 1: sure the next episode is going to have a forced tornado. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean you heard it here first. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: well we look forward to seeing this franchise development. Thanks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's Star Wars things going places. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you doing, Noll? How's it? How's how's it going? I'm

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Speaker 1: uh the end game. The end of the end game,

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Speaker 1: did I haven't okay, no, no, no discussion, then no, no,

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Speaker 1: I kind of want discussion. Well, I mean, this isn't

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Speaker 1: It's it's a but it's a really really expensive victory lap,

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Speaker 1: and and and and it has some very satisfying conclusions.

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Speaker 1: It has a few things that are kind of like WTF.

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Speaker 1: And it has a few things that are kind of

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Speaker 1: But all in all, what a what a feat, What

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Speaker 1: right to give all those characters their due and no

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Speaker 1: one's expecting that wolverine cameo like that is wild. Is

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Speaker 1: and a ghost man? Well, isn't it the same thing?

419
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: But the ghost get is trapped and caught behind right

420
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: they cannot Maybe I like that behind that, okay? And

421
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: also but having that name Magdalen, I mean, come on,

422
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: we all know that might be referring to right old

423
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: Mary Mary Magdalen. M it's the plot thickens. But that's

424
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: not the only thing. Just spoiler alert. People disagree with

425
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: this author. In another book called Anson's gold Fellow named

426
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: George Edmund says that we have to remember George Anson

427
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: was a naval man. He was an admiral, and George

428
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Edmond argues that Anson created this cipher to hide the

429
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: latitude and longitude of an island where he had buried

430
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: or discovered a huge Spanish treasure. Oh, it's a treasure map,

431
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: of course it is. M yeah, and that he mounted

432
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: his secret expedition in the eighteenth century to recover this treasure,

433
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: which was located, but due to unforeseen circumstances, left where

434
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: it was found. Man, do you think it's in that one?

435
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: That one giant whole, you know, the one I'm talking

436
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: about oak Island film Man, do you think they're really

437
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: finding stuff at oak Island or do you think that

438
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: the production team is slipping the whole feathers and room.

439
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know, I don't know. I

440
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: had heard that, but I don't have a ton of experience.

441
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: I've never been there, So it would certainly make for

442
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: a good TV to have things discovered, That's all I

443
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: would say. Good point, good point. So the idea here

444
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: is that letters in code were sent back to Lord

445
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: Anson by the expedition leader, and that these validate and

446
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: include part of the cipher, and that this proves what

447
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: the cipher is for. So George Edmund isn't necessarily saying

448
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: that the cipher is solved, but he's saying that's the

449
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: right direction to look into. And then we have a

450
00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 1: returning school of thought from a previous episode. The authors

451
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: of a book called The Holy Blood and the Holy

452
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Grail speculated that the painter you had mentioned earlier, nol

453
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: U Poussin, was a member of what's called the Priory

454
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: of Psion with an s yeah, and were we interviewed

455
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: uh the the daughter of one of the authors. What

456
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: was her last name, I believe, Yeah, that was a

457
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: great interview. Uh, fascinating story. Um. But the and the

458
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: whole idea here, right, is that perhaps the Shepherds of

459
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Arcadia they are in this monument, are actually pointing to

460
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: something very specific, not necessarily anything to do with the tomb,

461
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: but where to find the Holy Grail, don't don't do.

462
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: And then there's this whole other thing where as part

463
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: of the promotion of the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail,

464
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: they had these experts or there I guess their form

465
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: early codebreakers, right, who came through and they tried to

466
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: to figure out what the heck this thing is um,

467
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: and they specifically we're looking at this connection here with

468
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: the priority of Scion, connection with the shepherd's pointing to

469
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: the Holy Grail, and get a little more on that.

470
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: So it's Sheila and Oliver Lawn to the people involved here.

471
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: They proposed that the letters actually encode a specific phrase,

472
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: a phrase Jesus H DEFFI d e f y Yeah,

473
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: where the H supposedly stands for Christos um and this

474
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: is a Greek word meaning Messiah, and the references to

475
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: a Jesus bloodline or uh, the bloodline of Jesus H. Christ.

476
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't, I honestly don't know what that comes from

477
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: Jesus H. Christ. What what is that? Do we know?

478
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Somebody somebody call us right right? Uh? Yeah, it's it's

479
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: this idea, you right, that that Jesus Christ, the historical

480
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, did actually have children or issue as they

481
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: would be called. And you know, this is very Dan Brown.

482
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: Dan Brown leans very heavily on this in one of

483
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: his books, at least in The Da Vinci Code. And

484
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: the idea is that this bloodline was secreted away and

485
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: we'll read about it being secreted away in different parts

486
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: of the world, often France. Um. So that that idea

487
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: is really interesting because these code breakers, Sheila Lawn and

488
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: Oliver Lawn are no joke. They are the legit, true blue,

489
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: real deal. They were working on Enigma in World War Two.

490
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: So they're not just They're not just some couple who

491
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: happened by, you know what I mean. They're breaking Nazi

492
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: codes and then they I think that that's what happened, right,

493
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: or that they think that that's what the meaning could be. Right,

494
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: And she La Lawn said that she believes it may

495
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: also be kind of a love letter of some steel. Well,

496
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: the other thing you have to remember here is that

497
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: they're having ideas, uh put out there for them to

498
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: look for in a way, you know, with the way

499
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: it was shaped, with the promotion for the Holy Blood

500
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: and the Holy Grail, and for what it could mean.

501
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: You just, um, just keep that in mind. You're the

502
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: little skeptic part of the back of your mind that

503
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: they're being led a little bit. So already this is

504
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: this is getting weird, right. We've got we've got someone

505
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: saying it's the one of the key clues to the

506
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: secret story of Jesus Christ. We've got someone else saying

507
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: it's buried treasure. And we've got someone else saying that

508
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: Anson was in love drafts with someone and needed for

509
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: some reason to keep their identity a secret. Yeah. So

510
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: how does this shake out in the modern day? Yeah,

511
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: most of the modern theories approached this for um sort

512
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: of across stick kind of perspective or like, you know,

513
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: think about any kind of word patterned patterned word art,

514
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: I guess where various letters line up, almost like a

515
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: crossword puzzle. But when across the specific form of this meaning,

516
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: they interpret each letter um as the initial letter of

517
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: a larger word, so like M A T T for example,

518
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: not to pick on you, like make uh, make Alice

519
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: take tile at all or whatever absolutely, so sort of

520
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: like a mnemonic device of like the way to remember

521
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: something or it's They're also very popular in like presentations

522
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: are kind of like self help, touchy feeling kind of

523
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, office power points, you know about things like

524
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: synergy and you know thing you know S would stand

525
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: for super cool and e with Anyway, it's not good.

526
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: I love that I've fall into making up those. They're

527
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: fun when you make them absurd on purpose, but like

528
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: as an actual motivational device, it's sort of Elicits an

529
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: instant i rol because it's sort of like cliche, right,

530
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Right, But it's it's just

531
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: a flad mental exercise. It is tough to take it

532
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: seriously though. Well it's also tough to do it well.

533
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: And that's the joke too, right, is a lot of

534
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: times they end up people run out of ideas and

535
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: they just kind of become either redundant or just absurd.

536
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: If you're ever in a knife fight, remember to stop

537
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: that stands for stab to other people there you go,

538
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: very very good, very very helpful. Um. But yeah, so

539
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: in nineteen one, um more charred bishop or more card

540
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go with the hard c. H speculated

541
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: that the letters might be an initialism for the Latin

542
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: phrase optimate oxaurus optima sororis va deus amontissi mouse. I

543
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: want to sing this in like a choir ways soro

544
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: sees v dues montisi mouse vo vi veritui boo. That great,

545
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: But the big question is what does that mean for

546
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: those of us who don't speak Latin. Best of wives,

547
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: best of sisters, A most devoted widower dedicates parentheses this

548
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: to your virtues. Oh that's nice. See now that's really

549
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: really nice. So that's that's specifically about George Anson, right,

550
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: And that would mean, if this is correct, that those

551
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: eight letters are actually just a coded dedication to his

552
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: wife after she passed away, which is interesting because why

553
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: would you have to put that in code? Well, it's

554
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: I think it's less of in code and more of

555
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: fitting it on the monument perhaps, right, And this would

556
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: be my opinion. His his spouse, by the way, Lady

557
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Yorke, daughter of Philip York first Earl of Hardwick.

558
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: They did not have any children. But I could see

559
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: that if it's just um, a person who spouse died

560
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: and had the means to give some kind of dedication

561
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: to her that only maybe even had meaning to him.

562
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: Uh maybe, okay, maybe it's maybe it's a private thing. Yeah,

563
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: I just like it. To me, Alan's surface, it seems

564
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: it seems very strange and a little bit chuckleworthy that

565
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: this guy would say, all right, I really love my

566
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: wife and I think all these wonderful nice things about her,

567
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: but no one can know. Well, yeah, well, guys, I

568
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: love my wife. Everyone keep it a secret. The other

569
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone. Just the other thing that you could

570
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: say here, just before we move on, is that maybe

571
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: it was a backhanded thing or like a cruel joke

572
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: in uh in her memory because maybe she wasn't devoted,

573
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: Why she wasn't the best of wives and sisters and

574
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: devoted uh at tongue in the cheek. This is before

575
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: that forward slash s yeah stand ford sarcasm and what

576
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: I need to be I need to use that. But see,

577
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: but that way, only he knows that he's being a

578
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: dick to his wife. Oh good, good, This is this terrible?

579
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case. Other people don't think

580
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: it is. Though. There's a guy named Steve regend Ball

581
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: who interprets the letters as standing for a new Latin

582
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: translation of the following phrase vanity, Oh vanities saith the

583
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: preacher all his vanity oh Ecclesiastes Ecclesiastes twelve eight. Uh.

584
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: He speculates that this this phrase, orator omnia sunt vanitas

585
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: vanitas vanitatum, would I feel like I just cast a spell?

586
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: He thinks it may be the source of an earlier

587
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: inscription on Nia vanitas, which might have been carved on

588
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: an alcove at the estate by one of Thomas Anson's pals,

589
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: George Littleton. Interesting, then keep an eye on that, maybe

590
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: though that might and that maybe again the one this

591
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: is one of the ones that, um, yeah, I guess

592
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I just don't I need to know more about that,

593
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: because I vanity of vanity is saith the preacher all

594
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: is vanity, all is vanity. All worldly things and actions

595
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: are vanity. It's just like carving a giant monument for anything. Yeah. Well, yeah,

596
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, this reminds me of It reminds me of

597
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones. That whole idea of like give a

598
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: little thought to what's important, you know what I mean.

599
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: It's sort of like but at least the Georgia guidestones

600
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: intent was to be understood, right, you know, it's not

601
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: really very cool if you have like a message for

602
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: the world and no one can understand it, or if

603
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: they're just wildly speculating about what it means. That's a

604
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: good point. So it maybe a personal thing, you know

605
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: what I mean of personal significance. The ants and brothers,

606
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: if they are indeed the people who inscribed this. Uh.

607
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: The N s A also got involved, so did U S. Intelligence.

608
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: And there a guy named Keith Massey. In modern times

609
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: you'll read some press about him claiming to have solved

610
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: the letters. He interprets them as an initialism for the

611
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Latin phrase or omnes sequant vmum vitam I pray that

612
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: all may follow the way to true life. Is this

613
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: biblical again? Yeah? Yeah? Johnny four sixteen, John John, Yeah,

614
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: that's really good reference to that verse. Reading John four

615
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: sixteen read I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.

616
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: He goes some via at veritas et vita, and that's

617
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: the one that Stone called Steve Austin had printed on

618
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: the back of his sleeveless leather jacket was three sixteen.

619
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: That's the one that's the go to as a child.

620
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: I never understood at that. Oh, I have way too

621
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: many of those rattling around in my brain that I

622
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: could probably I'm not even going to wrest trivia, just

623
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: versus and wrestler trivia. They kind of I thought the

624
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: Undertaker was the coolest, but that's very un brand for me,

625
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: staying man, three sixteen is just for God's so love

626
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, I didn't realize that. That's a very

627
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: nice message that stone Cold has on his That's very

628
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: counter to his tuble stone cold image. You know, so

629
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Speaker 1: love the world that he made me. And then what

630
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Speaker 1: does he do? He does the stunner stunner. It reminds

631
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: me of like jewels and pulp fiction doing that Biblical verse,

632
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: only that one gets scary though, that one gets I

633
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: will strike down upon the and all that. You don't

634
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: think anyway, but which wasn't an actual Bible verse? Kidding, no, what, no,

635
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: really this whole time, man, Sorry, it's an interpretation. Let's

636
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: put it that way. Maybe it's just vanity. Maybe all

637
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: is vanity, but these are just some of the most

638
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: popular concepts. Now it's time to ask whether any of

639
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: this checks out. And we'll do just that after a

640
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back, And Matt, you

641
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: direcked my childhood. That Tarantino line isn't from the Bible.

642
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: It's a much more elaborated version. The real verse is

643
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: actually just and I will execute great vengeance upon them

644
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: with furious rebukes, and they shall know I am the

645
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Lord when I shall lay my vengeance upon them. So obviously,

646
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: well that there's so many different ones, but vulgate versions

647
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I like the word rebuke. Let's bring rebuke back.

648
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: I want to rebuke some stuff. Isn't that as when

649
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: you like call someone out you take them to task.

650
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a rebuttal, but it's a little stronger.

651
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: It's a little it's like it implies shaming of some

652
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: sort of finger wagging, right, criticizing someone, So it's it's

653
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: not quite rejecting. It's kind of admonishing, but in a

654
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: very strong way, kind of like how contempt is worse

655
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: than just like it's a really good white instant for

656
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: a pretty low manecoust just so you know you have

657
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: made so many people's day. It was just that sentence.

658
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I understand the references MTG magic together. Yes, yes, anytime,

659
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: every anytime you say something that I don't understand, I

660
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: should always assume that it's magic. Even when you say MTG,

661
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: I have to make Madison Square gardens, We're making it acrostic,

662
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: move them giblets. I don't know. I'm working live here,

663
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: but literally all of my vocabulary comes from middle school magic.

664
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: The gathering play. We should get together and play play

665
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: magic at some point, all of us. Yeah, everyone, like,

666
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: even even you the listener. Yeah, yeah, come hang out,

667
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: let's play. Let's do it. Let's do it. We'll sneak

668
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: everyone in. I think it's more fun if we feel

669
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: like it's a heist. We'll do an MTG meet up

670
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: MTG conspiracy meet up sounds epic, and meet the group

671
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: MTG or the gang or the guys. Now, but it's

672
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: not in a across stick and an acronym aren't the

673
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: same thing, right, I mean, they're sort of they're they're

674
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: kind of no, because it doesn't the down word has

675
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: to be a word in and of itself. Right. So MTG,

676
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: even if it's spelled MTG and Magic the Gathering, it's

677
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: not in across because MTG is meaningless without that representing something. Yeah,

678
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: an acronym would be the abbreviation made out of the

679
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: first letters of the words. So our MTG thing is

680
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: an acronym. But an across stick would be uh, some

681
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of poem or form of writing like you described,

682
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: where the first letter or syllable or word of each

683
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: line or spells out a word. So we've got to

684
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: ask yourselves, does any of this stuff check out? Not?

685
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: Not our not our plans to invite everyone to play

686
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: Magic the Gathering with us, uh and have Matt roundly

687
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: kick kick the snot out of all of us. I

688
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: would go easy, very good at that game. You are lying.

689
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: You're one of my favorite people, but I can tell

690
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: when you're lying. Oh no, Matt, Matt is really really

691
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: good at this. So I'm not talking about that stuff,

692
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: but talking about this concept. Uh. The one that I

693
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: think really stuck out to us and to a lot

694
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: of us listening now is the idea of this priory

695
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: of psion. I think this is definitely where the mystery

696
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: heightens right, yeah, yeah, this is this is a wild one.

697
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: So this is a fringe I guess secret society. Maybe

698
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: a fraternal order is a good way to describe it.

699
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: It was founded, you know, the official stories it was

700
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: founded and then dissolved in ninetifty six by a guy

701
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: named Pierre Plantart as part of a hoax. But people

702
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: who buy into the idea think it dates back much

703
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: much further, you know, back to of course the time

704
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: of the living historical Jesus Christ. This was considered, uh,

705
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: this was not taken very well or very seriously by

706
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the Academy with a capital A.

707
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: But the the concept existed for a long time, some

708
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: people saying it was a hoax, and some people taking

709
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: it very seriously, and some people even claiming to be

710
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: members of the Priory of Zion. And then boom, it

711
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: went mainstream when Dan Brown leveraged this concept for the

712
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: basis of the Da Vinci Code, which is um I

713
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: I still think a solid, solid film, and I enjoyed

714
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: the book. I would say I have not read the book,

715
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: but the film I was happier than a lot of

716
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: the critics about it. You enjoyed it, did you see

717
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: the subsequent film The Angels and Demons and Infernos, and

718
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: I did not see it. Was there a third one

719
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: that was an inferno? Inferno was the third one? Angels

720
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: and Demons is the second? Is that correct? Well? Did

721
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: this do well? I mean they made three of them.

722
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: They must have done relatively sure. Yeah, they had to

723
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: coast off the blockbuster status expensive. Oh yeah, okay, so

724
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: Paul just off Mike or in our ears and at

725
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: last you will never hear the voice of Paul because

726
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: if you did, it would melt your insides. It was

727
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: much like hearing the voice of the archangel Gabriel or

728
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: something like. Um. But yeah, he says, Inferno was apparently

729
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: quite bad. I haven't seen any of them. But the

730
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: reason I asked did they do well? Is because I

731
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: just don't really have much of a memory of them existing.

732
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: I just remember the lure of you guys are great

733
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: at French. I'm not even gonna try it. Uh yeah, yes,

734
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: so this also this book, by the way, the da

735
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Vinci Code. Just to be fair, we should say that

736
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: he did receive criticism from other authors and people familiar

737
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: with the theory, because you know, the authors of Holy

738
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: Blood and Holy Grail felt to a large degree that

739
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: he drives their work and that he was essentially using

740
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: their research to sell a novel. So that that's the moment, though,

741
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: that is the moment where this stuff hit the zeitgeist.

742
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: And the idea here is that the ants and brothers

743
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: were both members of the Priory of Science, and the

744
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: original painter of the Arcadian Shepherd painting was also a

745
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: member of the Priory of Zion, and that the Holy

746
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: Grail is not really a cup a goblet, you know,

747
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: the um what's the Indiana Jones line? The cup of

748
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: a carpenter yours Indian, My face is melting, he choose,

749
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: he also should have moisturized. Okay, So if it's not

750
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: that cup, then has dastardly powers. What is it? It's

751
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: a symbol, it's a co would phrase. It's describing the

752
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: physical descendants of Jesus Christ. If this were true, if

753
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: this were proven, this would be one of the most

754
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: significant moments in human history. And we found approvable living

755
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: descendant of the historical figure known as Jesus Christ. So

756
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: if that's such an amazing thing, why hide it because

757
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: it would upend everything? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I mean for

758
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: most of the last two thousand years. The idea of

759
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ having children at all was very heretical, and

760
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church worked arduously to control its um, its message,

761
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: and it splinter groups or dissident schools of thought were

762
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: brutally suppressed, murdered wholesale, you know what I mean. Uh, ironically,

763
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: of course, this is exactly what happened to the first Christians,

764
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: the predecessors of the Catholics. New ideas banish the and

765
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: also torture. Well, it's you know, when you think about it,

766
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: they wanted to control a message because they didn't have

767
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: the cost of communication is so high that when people

768
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: are in isolation, you know, like in an island off

769
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: the coast of France or somewhere in North Africa, they

770
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: can begin to make their own saints, for instance. That's

771
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: a huge thing even now, right dude, the more we

772
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: look at it, it seems, in at least in my

773
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: opinion right now, the brutality of the control mechanisms throughout

774
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: history do seem eerily necessary in a lot of ways,

775
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: and that scares me a little bit. It's a real

776
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: politic kind of move. But but this, this is the

777
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: idea So it would make sense then for this to

778
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: be kept a secret because the ideas that the Catholic

779
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Church doesn't want this truth to get out. And we

780
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: know that why While we don't know for sure whether

781
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: this is true or whether it's all you know, speculation,

782
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: bluff and bluster, we do know that the Catholic Church

783
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: has in the past run very, very large and ambitious

784
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: information control campaigns like four centuries. But is this too weird?

785
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: It might be too weird for some of us. There's

786
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: another mundane theory that came from the telegraph. I like

787
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: this one too. This is interesting, way late on it. Well,

788
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: I guess if this is what it is, then it

789
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: makes so many other things hilarious that have happened with

790
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: the n s A getting involved in other high profile

791
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: people trying to solve this thing when an actuality, Perhaps

792
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: it's just some some graffiti left left by people who

793
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: lived in the house or the estate after the money

794
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: was put there. So okay, So this this historian A. J. Morton,

795
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: and he thinks that the inscription is just was put

796
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: there in the ninete century by residents George Adams and

797
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: his wife Mary Vernon Venables last name Vernon Venables. Now

798
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: what were the two bottom letters D and M D

799
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: and M M All right? In my head, I was

800
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: like I was for some reason connecting G or making

801
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: it G N M for a moment they're thinking George

802
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: and Mary. But no, that doesn't make sense. But Vernon Ventables,

803
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: that's two vs. That's at least two of them, and

804
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: there are a lot of those. So Morton, who is

805
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: an expert in graves and monuments, he said that the

806
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: letters can be matched to this couple Adams and Vernon Ventables,

807
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: because they were relations of Thomas Anson, and there doesn't

808
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: appear to be any reference to the curious letters until

809
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: the nineteen century. To Morton, this suggests that they were

810
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: added later. Nothing in Thomas Anson's life fits the letters

811
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: in the inscription, except the family of his nephew, George Adams.

812
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: So the idea is that, regardless of all our speculation

813
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: and these concepts of conspiracy spanning centuries, someone just did

814
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: some graffiti. Which is also it always reminds me of

815
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: that story about the runic inscriptions and the guest Sophia.

816
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: Do we talk about this on air? I don't know

817
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: that we have, maybe as a casual mention so so

818
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: there's this there's this thing in the guest Sofia. The

819
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: used to blow people's minds. It is a runic description

820
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: called the half Dan inscription and was discovered in nineteen

821
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: sixty four. And for a while, people, you know, not

822
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: naturally being prone to reading rooms. For a while people thought, whoa,

823
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: this is amazing. Vikings got all the way down here

824
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: and and the history is hidden and it goes so

825
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: much deeper and found uh when when they translated it,

826
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: when they translated it and they still couldn't read all

827
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: of it, it turned out that it said like half

828
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: Dan carved these rooms. So it's the historical equivalent of

829
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, Paul was here, So a lot of graffiti happens.

830
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: This This answer might not satisfy a lot of us,

831
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: but anyway you look at it, the truth is this.

832
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: At this point, no one really agrees on what this

833
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: inscription means. We've outlined some of the main theories, and

834
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: each of these theories have their proponents. Some of us

835
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: listening now probably found one that particularly calls to us.

836
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: And I will say the the theory of a priory

837
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: of scion is a fascinating read. We just don't know

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Speaker 1: if it is connected to this inscription. But residents of

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Speaker 1: Staffordshire encounter new theories continually, like all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're quote here and says we get five or six

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Speaker 1: people a week who believe they have solved a code,

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Speaker 1: so we're a bit wary of them. Now. Christis exhausted,

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Speaker 1: Stratford sheer, Well, it's Lancashire, Lancashire, I've always heard Lancashire. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you want, if the Beatles the Day in the

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Speaker 1: Life of is to be believed, it's uh ten thousand

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Speaker 1: holes in Blackford, Lancashire. Yeah, but they were just trying

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Speaker 1: to make it fit. The song didn't wasn't a rhymestid.

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Speaker 1: So so we would ask you, which do you believe

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Speaker 1: to do? Any of these theories sound particularly convincing to you.

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Speaker 1: Do you have your own theory that you think your

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Speaker 1: fellow listeners should know? Let us know about it. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Oh and

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Speaker 1: here's one for the Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I don't know if the mods are going

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Speaker 1: to get mad at us for opening this door. Nothing

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Speaker 1: worse than a mad mod. Nothing worse than a mad mod.

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Speaker 1: We've got super moods. They're they're real Avengers, team of

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Speaker 1: moderate Uh. But we want to ask you, if you

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Speaker 1: had a chance, what sort of mystery would you like

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Speaker 1: to leave behind for future humans and future civilization, specifically

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Speaker 1: for trolling purposes. Just to make him go. This is

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Speaker 1: so important, but really it just says Alfred wrote this,

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Speaker 1: I would I would want a huge cartoonish sculpture of

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Speaker 1: something very mundane on a mountain because stone would last

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Speaker 1: so long, and I wanted to be towards the top

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Speaker 1: of the mountain, and I would want it to be.

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Speaker 1: When I say mundane, I mean like like a like

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Speaker 1: a bass relief of a taco or burrito and it's

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Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of yards long, and then it's at

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Speaker 1: the bottom. It just says like okay, nice. Uh, yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: that sounds great. I think huge granite carving of a

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Speaker 1: cat and it's like sitting down, but it's also got

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Speaker 1: wings uh, and it's got some jewelry on it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is all carved of course, um, and it's got

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Speaker 1: like the tale of some other creature. Right, So like

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Speaker 1: a chimera looking creature, but make it huge and put

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Speaker 1: it somewhere where everybody who comes after thinks that there

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Speaker 1: was an actual being that looks like that. Nice like

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Speaker 1: the Sphinx. Yeah, I'm describing the Sphinx. You are, but

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Speaker 1: without it took me a second. I was I was

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Speaker 1: so umbord, and it's like, you know what, I bet

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Speaker 1: that's crazy enough to work. And it appears that you

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Speaker 1: are correct by friends, So yes, let us know. You

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Speaker 1: I don't have it ready right now to tell you

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Speaker 1: exist now. It's something Matt Frederick and my heart all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, this is news to me. Did you know

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Speaker 1: about this? Now? What Matt's new Instagram presence? Yeah? Made

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Speaker 1: a new one? Well? Uh, well will you accept my follow?

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Speaker 1: Is it private? It's not private? All right? Well, I

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Speaker 1: guess you have no choice in the matter. Should I

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Speaker 1: private it? Should I privatize? I'm not going to tell

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Speaker 1: you what to do with you. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: to use Instagram? What do I do? Would you put

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Speaker 1: things on there? I don't Know's gotta help me? If

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Speaker 1: you have Instagram advice for our good friend Matt, you

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