1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's Friday night and it's 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: time for a Crime Stories Friday Night special. And boy 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: is a special. It's the Big Dollhouse for the so 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: called cool mom after she throws parties and coerces miners 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: as young as thirteen years old to drink, get drunk 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: and perform sex acts. What's cool about that? Well, she 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: is looking at substantial jail time and she'll have time 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: to think about what she's done. I'm Nancy Grace. This 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: with us. 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: This defendant took advantage of children, manipulated children, her children emotionally, mentally, physically, 12 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: and did that for her own perverse reasons. And today 13 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: there's justice for what she had done. 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: In the last days, a jury brings down the hammer 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: on the so called cool mom, Shannon O'Connor, finding her 16 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: guilty of forty seven crimes, and she is facing decades 17 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: behind bars. 18 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: The charges included child endangerment, annoying and molesting a child, 19 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: dissuading witnesses from testifying, and facilitating the forcible sexual assault 20 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: from one child on another child. 21 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: That's right. Shannon O'Connor, the mom charged with hosting booze 22 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: soaked parties for teens as young as thirteen at her 23 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: mansion in Los Gato's, orchestrating sex between the youth now 24 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: looking at decade behind bars. What the hey? This woman 25 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: has a beautiful mansion, a gorgeous family everything. Why this? 26 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: I can't help but think about the movie Main Girls 27 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: with Landsay Loham and the cool mom would just let 28 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: the girls do whatever they want to. She has a 29 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: little made herself and played into drugs and alcohol and sex. Well, 30 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: art imitates life. Take a listen to our friends at NBC. 31 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: The first complaint about Shannon O'Connor to Los Gatto's High 32 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: School came from a parent in December twenty twenty. According 33 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: to internal school emails obtained exclusively by the Investigative Unit, 34 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: Shannon Bruga or O'Connor buys alcohol for teenagers. My daughter 35 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: overdosed on edibles then entering. Principal Paul Robinson responded the 36 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: same day, we will follow up on this and inform 37 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: the police. Two months later, February seventeen, a different parent 38 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: sent an assistant principal a detailed, multi page email saying 39 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: she had just filed a police report. Alleging criminal contact 40 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: by O'Connor with her child and at least five other 41 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: fourteen year old girls, as well as at least one 42 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: Fisher middle school student. 43 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: A middle school student, fourteen year old girls going to 44 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: sex and booze stoked parties, and criminal contact by the 45 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: cool mom with a girl student aged fourteen? What in 46 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: the hey with me at all Star panel to makes 47 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now? But first I 48 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: want to go to Drew Penner, investigative reporter with the 49 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: Losgatta newspaper. Drew, thank you for being with us. Who 50 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: is this quote? Cool mom? Doesn't sound cool to me, 51 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: it sounds criminal. Does she have a child? 52 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. This is Shannon O'Connor. And she has 53 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: other names that she's gone by in the past, Shannon brew, Chennon, Amarol. 54 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: But she is a local woman here from the Los 55 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: Gatos area and that's in Silicon Valley, and she gained 56 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: a reputation over the months for being, as you said, 57 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 4: someone that would have parties and someone who would invite 58 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 4: folks over to her house that were younger than maybe 59 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: you would invite over to your host And that's putting 60 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 4: it lightly. 61 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: And she does have children. She's got two teen sons, 62 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: thirteen and fifteen. And you know to doctor Angie Arnold, 63 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You 64 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: can find her at Angelo Arnold MD dot com. You 65 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: heard what Drew Panter just told us that everybody in 66 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: the neighborhood knew rumor gossip. They knew what was going on, 67 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: but did anybody stop it, not until things got even 68 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: more out of hand. In addition to what Drew Pinner 69 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: told us, Angie, how many times have I told the children, 70 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: starting at a very young age, about drugs and alcohol 71 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: all the time? What it does to you? Cases I've 72 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: seen in court specifically, I remember when I was a 73 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: brand new assistant district attorney. I was taking a guilty 74 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: plea of this beautiful woman and she was taking a 75 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: plea duy HV habitual violator, And I looked around for 76 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: her family. There was no family, but I knew she 77 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: was married with three children. Alcohol cost her her stockbroker's 78 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: license that she worked so hard for, had worked her 79 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: way up the ladder in that business. She had a 80 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: horrible car crash when drunk. Her husband divorced her and 81 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: he got custody of three children because of alcohol. And 82 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: I remember she just stood there in court just like 83 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: she was numb, Like she didn't even cry. You know, 84 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: like when you take the dog to the vet and 85 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: they have to get a shot and they sit on 86 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: the table. They know something bad it's about to happen, 87 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: but they just sit there stoically. That's what she looked like. 88 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: Alcohol And this is a mom with teens throwing this 89 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: kind of party, not just alcohol, but drugs and sex. 90 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 5: So Niki would why would no one have said anything? 91 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 5: Because look at all of the other people that can 92 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 5: be hurt by not saying anything, starting with the offender. 93 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 5: She needed help? 94 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: Okay, you know why did I ask you a question? 95 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: She does not need help. She needs jail because these 96 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: aren't just wild parties. This is sex, assault, child molesstation, felony, 97 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: child endangerment. So I don't know what you're talking about. 98 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: She needs help, well, she needs an a nice long 99 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: vacation in the pen in the big dollhouse so she 100 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: can think about her actions. 101 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 5: But Nancy, at the very least, if the neighbors knew 102 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 5: what was going on, and they didn't know the extent 103 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 5: to what was going on. 104 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: Oh please, have you ever seen Bewitched? Yes? No, have you? 105 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: And you're familiar with Gladys Kravitz, right, the nosy neighbor 106 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: who knows everything you want to tell me. These neighbors 107 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: didn't know exactly what was happening, hearing teams screaming and 108 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: cavorting in the backyard around the keg. Oh they knew, 109 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: but this is my question. Drew Penner back to Loscota newspaper, Drew, 110 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: I understand that the first complaints were made to the 111 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: school principle and did an assistant principle? Is that correct? 112 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, this. 113 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 4: Has been an interesting case in our town because it's 114 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: sparked off a whole discussion around what we do, you know, 115 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: when people are having parties in their own private home. 116 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: But then it's you know, the the ramifications can spill 117 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: out into the public sphere, including as you mentioned, at 118 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: the high school. And you know, there's stories that we're 119 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 4: hearing and that have come out through the you know, 120 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 4: throughout the various discussions that we've been hearing. Is that basically, 121 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 4: you know, Shan O'Connor had a really good way of 122 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: manipulating the whole situation. Basically, you know, being able to 123 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 4: spin things one way and in fact enlisting the children 124 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: that she was inviting and many say manipulating over to 125 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: her house into kind of going on the forefront and 126 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: helping her spread false stories in order to continue her behavior. 127 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: And you know, that's something that we hear time and 128 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 4: time again, and you know, the extent to which perhaps 129 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: the authorities at the school should have done more. That's 130 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: been a hot button issue, spilled out over into even 131 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 4: the local councils come up indirectly as well. And yeah, 132 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: it's been the talk of the town. 133 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: US A really good point. I'm going to go to Annisinota, 134 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: a child grooming expert, but first let me just swing 135 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: to Sam do'ordulian. He is a renowned attorney, former La 136 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: County prosecutor, and founder of the Dordulian Law Group. You 137 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: can find him at d lawgroup dot com. Sam, thanks 138 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: for being with us, just thinking through what Drew Pinner 139 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: told us from the Lost Gotten. You know, Sam, here's 140 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: the rub, here's the fly in the ointment. So you 141 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: have the parents, they are speaking out to the wrong person. 142 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: They contact the school principal and the assistant principle. So 143 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: do they get the idea they're doing the right thing, 144 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: and how much can a school really control what students 145 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: or quote cool moms are doing off school premises. Sam Drdoulian, Yeah. 146 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 7: Nancy, And actually that's that's a good question. Why didn't 147 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 7: they call the police? And I think it's a lot 148 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 7: to do with who this person is. If this was 149 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 7: a male, if this was a male, if this is 150 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 7: a teacher, if this was a coach, a male coach, 151 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 7: I think people would react differently because she's a woman, 152 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 7: because she's a mom. In particular, I think they're treating 153 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 7: it differently. They're contacting the school instead of contacting the police. 154 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 7: I mean, you brought up the word grooming. This is 155 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 7: the definition of grooming. It doesn't have to be a 156 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 7: male teacher or a coach or a priest. She was 157 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 7: grooming not just the children, but the other parents, the 158 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 7: whole community with her conduct. So I think that a 159 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 7: lot has to do with who she is as as 160 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 7: a woman and as a mom. 161 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: Oh you know, you just struck me to the core 162 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: as a mom, because you know, Anna Sonota going from 163 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: Sam Dordoulian, doctor Angie Arnold, Andrew Panner. Let me tell 164 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: you who Anna Sinoda is childreaming expert, clinical social worker, 165 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: author of Dutton du Groom Understanding How a child becomes 166 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: a target, and you can find her at Annasnoda dot com. Anna, 167 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend 168 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: Amanda del Castillo. 169 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 8: Shannon O'Connor, the Lost Gotis mother, was accused of throwing 170 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 8: drunken parties where she encouraged young teens to participate in 171 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 8: sex acts, sometimes non consensual and sometimes while she watched. 172 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 8: The teens, mostly fourteen and fifteen years old, included her 173 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 8: own son. O'Connor would use Snapchat or text to invite 174 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 8: them to her home, warning the teens to keep silent 175 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 8: or she could go to jail. 176 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: It's not exactly your classic grooming, but it has all 177 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: the elements of a classic grooming, luring, desensitizing the victim, 178 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: where this little fourteen year old girl says, well everybody 179 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: else is doing it. The mom is saying, they're watching 180 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: me having a sex act with her son, so maybe 181 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: it's not as bad as I thought because the moms 182 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: it's okay, and then getting them getting a vow of 183 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: silence warning them not to speak out. 184 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 9: Fancy. This is a gruesome gruesome example of grooming, and 185 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 9: just so that everybody's on the same page. Grooming is 186 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 9: the intentional and selective process of using assumed trust to 187 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 9: gain access and space with an identified prey. And it 188 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 9: is a process of entrapping a child. So we've got 189 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 9: to set the trap with compliments. These children were selected. 190 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 9: She was pre vetting the girls who are attending these parties. 191 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 9: Then you've got to bait the trap with favors, so 192 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 9: giving the kids things they want, like access to free 193 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 9: food alcohol. Then you've essentially rigged the trap with guilt. 194 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 9: Here are these kids who are breaking rules that their 195 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 9: parents have for them. And then you've got to keep 196 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 9: that trap shut with threats. You can't tell anybody, keep 197 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 9: this a secret. So worse than being a cool mom, 198 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 9: she was perceived and the community defaulted to her being 199 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 9: a safe mom. And she was the one who was 200 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 9: communicating with other parents to confirm that she would be 201 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 9: in attendance and she would be supervising. And this is 202 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 9: why parents need to keep a keen eye to show 203 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 9: up at places where their kids are going and when 204 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 9: in doubt, verified, even if it means showing. 205 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: Up crime stories With Nancy Grace, most legal legals thought 206 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: it was a foregone conclusion O'Connor would be convicted of 207 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: at least one or two counts of furnishing alcohol to 208 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:40,359 Speaker 1: a minor, but she was found guilty on forty seven charges, 209 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: including sex penetration of an intoxicated victim, let that sink 210 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: in for influencing a child to engage in sex activity 211 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: with another child on multiple occasions. It was a four 212 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: month trial. What did we learn? 213 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: It was a long wait. It was a long trial. 214 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: There was a lot of hardship and pain and suffering. 215 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: But with the jury's verdict today, there is now justice. 216 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: What happened? Michael Boton joining me former NYPD sergeant, detective 217 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: Squad supervisor, a special Victims unit owner, our First Rate 218 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: Investigations and that specializes an adult and child survivor civil 219 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: cases at First Rate Investigations and consulting dot com. That 220 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: is a mouthful, Michael Bock. I want you to change 221 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: that website immediately. Hey, Michael, I know you've dealt with 222 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: a lot of cases where adults molested children. I rarely 223 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: see I don't know that I've ever seen. I got 224 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,359 Speaker 1: to think this thing through. I've seen female sex predators 225 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: on children, but for a month, I'm a cool mom. 226 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about Amy Polar, who I adore. Amy 227 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Polar who played the cool mom June George in Mean Girls. Hilarious. 228 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: But this is not funny in the least, Michael bog 229 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: have you ever seen a case where the mom lures 230 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: in the child's victims to have sex with tea boys 231 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: while she sits there and watches. 232 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 6: It's not a frequent occurrence, especially inside the city. I'd 233 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 6: say this is probably more of a suburban issue than 234 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 6: it would be inside the city with apartments and stuff, 235 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 6: So it's not a common case that we would come 236 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 6: across in the city. 237 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever come across anything quite like it. 238 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: And these people, Michael Bock, I mean, this is Silicon 239 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Valley with all of that tech money just rolling around. 240 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: The median income in this area is one hundred, one 241 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars. That's the meaning, that's 242 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: big money. Yeah, they've got a lot of money to 243 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: roll around in and a lot of money to throw 244 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: parties with for children. I mean, doctor Angie, you hear 245 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: Michael Buck speaking. What frame of mind is that where 246 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: a grown woman gets sex gratification off of watching little 247 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: girls and teen boys have sex in her home. 248 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 5: Oh, Nancy, this is such a horrible subject, isn't it. 249 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Yes, but I was expecting a little something a little 250 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: more clinical from you than this is horrible. Yeah, I 251 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: know it's horrible. I can ask anybody on the street that, doctor, Angie, 252 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: I know it's horrible. But what is what kind of 253 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: a criminal mind? 254 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 5: Is that these kind of people can suffer from a 255 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 5: very low self esteem? 256 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, are low self esteem? 257 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 6: Well? 258 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 5: I mean, Nancy, this is you ask for a definition. 259 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: She's a child molester? 260 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 5: Well, okay, but we have to kind of look at 261 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 5: all of the things that can. First of all, female 262 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 5: child predators are on the rare side. 263 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: Okay. 264 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 5: They can have antisocial personality disorder, they can have very 265 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 5: poor social skills. They can have PTSD from something or another. 266 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: Don't even try to make me feel badly for her 267 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: rejection low self esteem? I am about child molester. Here 268 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: is doctor Jackie, and you're waving a sign saying voyeurism. Okay, 269 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: you know what that is? Right? Doctor and Jimmy, you 270 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: are the strange now to be a psychiatrist. Don't you 271 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: have to be a medical doctor and a psychiatrist. 272 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 5: I'm a medical doctor, okay. 273 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: And I'm having to tell you the word voyeurism. 274 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 5: And Nancy, I've had to treat women who were female 275 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 5: sexual predators. I've treated only a very few, because only 276 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 5: a very few exempts. 277 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: What is wrong with them? Not that the state has 278 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: to prise the mode or kick around inside the mind 279 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: of a perpetrator. But it's very hard for me to 280 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: take in. I know it exists, but it's hard for 281 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: me to take in. 282 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 5: But doesn't it also sound like this woman, this particular criminal, 283 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 5: was exerting a lot of control over her victims. They 284 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 5: were very young. She's forty seven, they're thirteen and fourteen 285 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 5: years old. You know, she's got to be getting some 286 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 5: sort of sexual pleasure out of this at the very baseline. 287 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: I've already said that. That was my question that I 288 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: formed for you. What grown woman enjoys watching little children 289 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: have forced sex? 290 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 5: A very thick grown woman. 291 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: Once again, I knew that myself, and I am not 292 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: an MD. 293 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 5: Nancy, she may have been abused in her past. 294 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: Oh dear great, you know what, Just go ahead and 295 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: cut her mic because all you're doing is wine wine 296 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: wine about how badly this one will I still hear her? 297 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 5: Hello the woman that I'm. 298 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: Going to give you a moment to reconsider your opinion, 299 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, What more do we know? Take a 300 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: listen to our forens at kro N four. 301 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 10: O'Connor has two sons, ages thirteen and fifteen, the same 302 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 10: age range that the victims are in this case. Deputies 303 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 10: in Idaho determined her sons were in imminent danger and 304 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 10: placed them under the custody of the Idaho Department of 305 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 10: Health and Welfare. Law enforcement first began to investigate O'Connor 306 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 10: after a boy was injured when he fell from her 307 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 10: SUV in the Los Gatto's High School parking lot. The 308 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 10: district attorneys said O'Connor went to great lengths to keep 309 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 10: the party's secret from other parents, law enforcement, and her 310 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 10: own husband. She would only invite teens over to the 311 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 10: house for a wild night of drinking when she knew 312 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 10: her husband would not be home. She communicated with students 313 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 10: using Snapchat. 314 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: So I didn't realize, is drey Pinner she was married 315 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: and the husband knew nothing about what was going on. 316 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of an open question, and you know, 317 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: there's some evidence that shows that she has, you know, 318 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: seemed to be hiding the beer cans or whatnot from 319 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 4: her husband prior to him getting home, so he didn't 320 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 4: find out about these parties that were going on. On 321 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: the other hand, there does seem to be you know, 322 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 4: a close connection between them. They are co defendants in 323 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 4: a previous action and you know, so that is something 324 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: that is still coming out. 325 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to believe that he had 326 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: no idea what was going on. Guys, I want you 327 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: to listen to the Samdordulian sex assault lawyer, former LA 328 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: County sex crimes prosecutor. Now, this is going down in Walsgatta's, 329 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: California and and a very prestigious community. Parties also took 330 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: place in Santa Cruz and Lake Tahoe, where the cool 331 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: mom Shannon oak Connor would ply fourteen to fifteen year 332 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: olds with vodka and then hand out condoms, encourages my 333 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: encouraging miners to have sex, and laughing when the teens 334 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: would engage in sex acts, many of which allegedly weren't 335 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: non consensual. Take a listen to our cut four KGO. 336 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 8: Investigators say the party spanned from June twenty twenty to 337 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 8: May twenty twenty one, and often involved O'Connor pushing the 338 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 8: teens to drink until they became sick or blacked out. 339 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 8: The DA's office as some of the assaults against the 340 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 8: young victims happened while they were drunk. Document show teens 341 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 8: also told authorities drinking led to heavy vomiting, a broken finger, 342 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 8: and a girl reporting show almost drowned in a hot tub. 343 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 8: In a release, DA Jeff Rosen said it took a 344 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 8: lot of brave children to come forward and to untangle 345 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 8: this deeply disturbing case. In another case, the DA's office 346 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 8: says O'Connor let a team drive her as v in 347 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 8: the Los Gattus High parking lot while two other teens 348 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 8: held onto the back, one fell off knocked unconscious. 349 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: Okay. Also take a listen to Amy Larson Kron, a. 350 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 10: Forty seven year old mom, is accused of throwing sex 351 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 10: parties at her Los Gattos mansion. She pressured underage teenagers 352 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 10: to binge, drink, and encourage boys to have consensual and 353 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 10: non consensual sex with girls. According to the Santa Clara 354 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 10: County District Attorney's Office. Investigators said dozens of Los Gattos 355 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 10: High school students went to Shannon O'Connor's disturbing parties between 356 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 10: June of twenty twenty and May of this year. The 357 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 10: mom recently moved to Adda county in Idaho, where she 358 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 10: continued to invite teens over to her new house. Detectives 359 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 10: told me that when they went to the house to 360 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 10: arrest her last weekend, there were twelve underage teenagers with her, 361 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 10: most of whom had spent the night. 362 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: So let me understand this, Drew Pinner. The students would 363 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: actually spend the night in the house. 364 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: Well, some of these parties would go on for an 365 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: awful long time, and you know, I at one point 366 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 4: I tried knocking on the doors of some of the neighbors' homes, 367 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: and you know, they didn't really want to say too 368 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 4: much to me about what they had seen or hadn't seen. 369 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know, if people felt it's 370 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: guilty for not saying things sooner, or you know, maybe 371 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: they did keep certain things under wrap. But you know, 372 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 4: there's definitely a lot of questioning, even by Shannon O'Connor, 373 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 4: who was, you know, googling, as we have reported, you know, 374 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 4: things like what to do with the concussion and a 375 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 4: teenager and you know, kind of concussion cause eye problems, 376 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: and you know, investigating, you know people and investigators seem 377 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: to think that that may be related to that car 378 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 4: incident exactly you had just heard about there on that 379 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 4: news report. 380 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: Guys, it's not the first time a mom has broken 381 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: the law in order to be the cool mom at 382 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: the school. Take a list to our cut. 383 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 11: Twenty seven years old, Cherylyn McDonald wanted to be known 384 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 11: as the cool mom. She wanted the kids to call her, share, 385 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 11: invited boys to be a part of family outings, and more. 386 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 11: The former cool mom is now behind bars, charged with 387 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 11: engaging in sexual activity with a miner, encouraging sex among miners, 388 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 11: six felony charges of loud and illascivious battery, and three 389 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 11: counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child. The 390 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 11: cool mom party came to an end when a real 391 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 11: mom saw that her teenage son was getting text messages 392 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 11: from McDonald. That real mom questioned her son, found out 393 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 11: about teens playing beer pong and McDonald's, and turned it 394 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 11: all over the police. The investigation is ongoing and McDonald 395 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 11: could face additional charges. 396 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: McDonald not alone. Take a listen hour cut twenty our 397 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: friends at WSB. 398 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 12: Georgia mother is facing charges after official essays she hosted 399 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 12: a party with drugs and alcohol for a teenage daughter 400 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 12: and her friends. According to an incident report, Rachel Lynn 401 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 12: Linhart's sponsor from Alcoholics Anonymous, came to officials about the incident, 402 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 12: and the woman said Lenhart allowed a group of miners 403 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 12: to drink and smoke marijuana at her home in Evans, Georgia, 404 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 12: near Augusta. The woman claimed linn Hart played naked twister 405 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 12: with the teens and engaged in sexual relations with an 406 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 12: eighteen year old and her daughter's sixteen year old boyfriend. 407 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 12: She's charged with two counts of contributing to the delinquency 408 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 12: of a miner and has been released on bond. 409 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: Sam Georduley and joining a sex assault lawyer, former LA 410 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: County sex crimes prosecutor. Naked twister with a bunch of 411 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: teen girls and boys in your home. I mean I 412 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: cringed when I heard doctor Angel Arnold talking about Oh, 413 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: she's got low self esteem, she's probably been rejected. Don't care. 414 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: This is child molestation. I mean Dordolian do you have 415 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: any children. 416 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 7: I have two children, in fact, wondering about the same 417 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 7: age as these kids at. 418 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: Thirteen going to the mom's house down the street, and 419 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: then to find out later she was egged into sex 420 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: acts and given drugs and alcohol by the so called 421 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: cool mom. I would do a backflip. 422 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't even imagine it. And look, Nancy. In 423 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 7: twenty five plus years I've been doing sex crimes, I 424 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 7: haven't heard a story like this. And again, we I 425 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 7: think a lot has to do The reason why this 426 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 7: continued and it was allowed to fester and she was 427 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 7: allowed to do all these things is because of her 428 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 7: status as a mom, as a woman. I've prosecuted a 429 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 7: lot of these cases. I've tried in civil court, a 430 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 7: lot of these cases. You don't see a lot of 431 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 7: sexual predators who are women. I do have them, I've 432 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 7: had them before, nothing like this. And we have an 433 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 7: inherent trust of mothers, don't we. You know, you believe 434 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 7: you want to believe, especially since she's a mom of 435 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 7: someone a child of your child's age, She's not going 436 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 7: to hurt them. She's going to protect them. That's what 437 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 7: we all want to believe. And I think that belief 438 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 7: allowed this to continue and the reason why, you know, 439 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 7: parents are going to the school instead of the police. 440 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 7: We have a different impression of female sexual offenders, but 441 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 7: they're just as dangerous as we see in this particular kick. 442 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: Well. You know an interesting point, samd Or Julian f 443 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: a dad was throwing a party. I don't know how 444 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: many teen girls parents would even let them go. 445 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 7: I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't let my daughter go. I 446 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 7: have a distrust of male O. 447 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: Ha, double Lno. I say you're not going to a 448 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: party at some pervy dad's house. That's not happening. Ooh okay, cringe. 449 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: You know I want to go back to doctor Angeley Arnold. 450 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: I guess we can turn our mic back on. You know, 451 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: you've given me just enough information over the years to 452 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: throw something back at you. You're talking about how she 453 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: has low self esteem and low self worth and was 454 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: probably rejected in her life. I assume the next thing 455 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna say is this is a desperate cry for help. 456 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: How about a manipulative narcissist with no conscience? Would that 457 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: she's it? 458 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 5: Yes? It would, Yes, it would, Nancy. And I'll tell 459 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 5: you something else. The reason nobody's calling and reporting her 460 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 5: is because the research has shown that if you report 461 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 5: that you have done abused by a female more times 462 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 5: than not, you are not believed. 463 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. You're absolutely correct. And guess 464 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: what else gave her the en disha of responsibility and 465 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: her mom's status secured. She's living at a four point 466 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: seven million dollar mansion. I bet they've got a pool. 467 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: I know they've got a hot tob because one girl 468 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: almost drowned in their hot tob drunk. 469 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 13: Sure, four point. 470 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: Seven million dollars home up there in Los Gato's a 471 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: quote tech savvy predator who taught the teens to lie 472 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: using gifts in order to bait the girls. WHOA wait, 473 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: we haven't even touched on that, Drew Panter. Drew Panter, 474 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: investigative reporter at the Loos gotten what kind of gifts 475 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: did she use to bait the teen girls? 476 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if you know the Bay area at all, 477 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: you know that you know just over the hill, you 478 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 4: know you've got Santa Cruz and that's a pretty pretty 479 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: awesome destination to go to, and people like going on 480 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 4: trips there. Same with Tahoe. So if you get invited 481 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 4: along to trip to one of those places. I mean, 482 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 4: who wouldn't want to go. Keep in mind, these are 483 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 4: kids that don't have access to just head on on 484 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: a weekend trip on their own, you know, And you know, 485 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 4: so that's that's one thing, you know, getting these the 486 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: alcohol supplied. I mean, that's not exactly easy when you're 487 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: near a kid, and you know. I just I think 488 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: that there's a lot of this affection that's been showered 489 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 4: on them as well by miss O'Connor, as we hear 490 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 4: and from some of the stories that we've been reporting on, 491 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 4: including you know that that may have been a technique, 492 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: this flattery in order to build trust in bonds Panner. 493 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: One other thing I wanted to say, I wanted to 494 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: say too, was was just that if you don't mind, 495 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 4: was just that it's I think that we have to 496 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 4: keep in mind that this is this is someone that uh, 497 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 4: you know, she had on her phone. It turns out, 498 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 4: as we've now reported, like a video of a girl 499 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: saying that, you know, talking about her own body image. 500 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 4: And we don't know if this is someone she knew 501 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 4: or is something she downlonged from TikTok, But this is 502 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 4: pointing to the fact that you know she had not 503 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 4: just a desire to help her own child, perhaps hook up, 504 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 4: but you know there's some question around was she maybe 505 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 4: looking for having a let's say, a bad interest in 506 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: sixteen year olds. For example, one of her the searches 507 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 4: on her phone was hot sixteen year old teenage girls 508 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 4: and prettiest sixteen year old girl. 509 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: So called cool mom not so cool now looking at 510 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: decades behind bars after a booze fueled party, actually a 511 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: series of parties for children. What happened in O'Connor's mansion. 512 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: We know that one young girl, who is going only 513 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: by the name Jane Doe eight, says that cool Mom 514 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: O'Connor quote tore my life apart. I've suffered and had 515 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: to deal with the reputation of being quote the girl 516 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: that got raped. I will live my high school years 517 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: with this cloud over me. Victims say that O'Connor befriended 518 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: them through her children and social media when they were 519 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: just freshmen at Los Gato's High This Jane do eight says, 520 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: Shannon does not have a conscience. She's a con artist. 521 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: I will never have the life I once had, and 522 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: neither should she. She says that O'Connor would have boys 523 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: get drunk and then drunkenly sex assault the girl while 524 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: O'Connor watched. One of these girls, Jane Doe nine, actually 525 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: had to take out a protection order against O'Connor after 526 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: she realized O'Connor had been following her around with no 527 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: headlights on. The girl still has nightmares today. One girl 528 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: says that O'Connor moved into her town and the little 529 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: girl got twenty seven calls with no caller ID, but 530 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: with Shannon O'Connor on the other end breathing into the phone. 531 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: Does anybody have a concern about what took so long 532 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: to bring this woman to justice? Here's another theory in 533 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: addition to jury pitters theory that she was sexually interested 534 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: in young teen girls and boys. Did she actually want 535 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: to be a child again? Take a listen to our 536 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: cut twenty eight WNYT camerom. 537 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 14: Durham School District Superintendent Anthony Taibi says thirty two year 538 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 14: old Michael Ann Goodrich came in to register for classes 539 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 14: on December nineteenth. He says administrators immediately felt something was off, 540 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 14: but Taybe says, under the McKinney Vento Act, the district 541 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 14: had to admit Goodrich immediately because she claimed to be homeless. 542 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 7: She did attend school for one day, and she did, 543 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 7: in fact right the school was to and from school 544 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 7: that day. 545 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 9: He says. 546 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 14: Goodrich was absent on the twenty first, and then the 547 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 14: holiday break began the following week. She was arrested on 548 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 14: the twenty eighth and charged with offering a false for failing, 549 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 14: falsifying business records, and criminal trespassing and more. 550 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: In our cut twenty five from APY, a. 551 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 13: Thirty year old sex offender who posed as a child 552 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 13: has pleaded guilty to seven criminal charges and will now 553 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 13: serve at least seventy years in prison. Neil Havens Roderick 554 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 13: the Second faced twenty eight counts, but pleaded guilty to 555 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 13: only a quarter of them, according to a plea agreement document. 556 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,239 Speaker 13: Two of those charges stem from when he posed as 557 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 13: a twelve year old boy and enrolled in this Arizona 558 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 13: charter school in January two thousand and seven. 559 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 15: If it's a facade he's been putting on, he's very 560 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 15: good at it because he obviously fooled educators. He fooled 561 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 15: trained and experienced investigators. So if it's a facade. Then 562 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 15: he's an absolute magician. 563 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: So this spans I understand, dreaprinter from Los Gato's to Idaho. 564 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 565 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 4: So it is true that what happened is that as 566 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 4: the investigation was progressing into the conduct of Shannon O'Connor, 567 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 4: she leaves, she goes to Idaho. And you know, you 568 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 4: might say, Okay, maybe that's a nice coincidence or whatever 569 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 4: for her, but you know, the truth is is that 570 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 4: we're starting to see that she's very aware of the 571 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 4: fact that you know that it's there's different rules when 572 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 4: you have authority, local authorities investigating year, it's harder for 573 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 4: them to reach across state lines. And in fact, at 574 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 4: one point she's she's Internet searching io Idaho Statute of 575 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 4: Limitations Criminal She's going, hey, can I get prosecuted in 576 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 4: California if I live in Idaho. 577 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: She's very savvy, Dre what about it, Sam Doordoulian, She's 578 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: looking for statue limitations? How long can they prosecute me 579 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: in another jurisdiction for this? 580 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 7: She's incredibly manipulative and it's just terrifying. The other parts 581 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 7: that you mentioned about the whole stalking part of it, 582 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 7: I worked the stocking unit as well, and I can 583 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 7: tell you and working with the DA's office prosecute all 584 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 7: sorts of criminals, there's only two that I was really 585 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 7: truly frightened up. Hardcore game members and stalkers. And she 586 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 7: seems to not only just be a sexual predator, but 587 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 7: it has to go stalking elements on top. And it's 588 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 7: just terrifying that she would move to a different state 589 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 7: be so manipulative. And there's some reference to her moving 590 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 7: to another state where there's one of the victims actually lived. 591 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 7: Terrifying what this woman was doing. And to suggest that 592 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 7: the husband had no idea about all of this, I 593 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 7: think it's just foolish. Absolutely well, we. 594 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: Do know that he has recently filed for divorce. And 595 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: do you blame him? What about it? Doctor Angie Arnold, 596 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: psychiatrist out of Atlanta. I gave you two examples of many, 597 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: many where adults have actually enrolled in middle school and 598 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: high school posing as teens to be aroundings. It's like 599 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: they want to be a teen. Is that some sort 600 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: of a designated ailment? 601 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, I don't that ailment doesn't necessarily have 602 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 5: a name. It all goes under the it's all under 603 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 5: the guise of sexual predators, and it's just another way 604 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 5: that they manipulate the system. I mean, Nancy, I have 605 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 5: to wonder. I mean, there's so many things that are 606 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 5: going on in our world right now that are predatory 607 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 5: to children that we have to keep an eye out 608 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 5: for all of those things. 609 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: You know. I want to follow up with Anna Sonoda, 610 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: child groomy expert and author of Duck Duck Groom. We're 611 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: talking about various motives. Did this so called cool mom 612 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: o'cnnor actually want to be a teen again? Take a 613 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: listen to this and Sonoda our cut nine from kg AS. 614 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 16: The DA's office believe an early motive for O'Connor's alleged 615 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 16: actions is sexual gratification. Core documents say she would use 616 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 16: social media to lure minors to her home, give them alcohol, condoms, 617 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 16: and private rooms to commit sexual acts that sometimes we're 618 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 16: not consensual. 619 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 2: One of the crimes that we have charged involves committing 620 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 2: the crime for sexual gratification, So we can certainly say 621 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: that sexual gratification is one of the motives in this case. 622 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: What about it, Anna Sinotta. 623 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, I think we have to back up a 624 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 9: second and say that all sex, all sexual acts with 625 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 9: anyone under the age of eighteen in California aslong with Idaho, 626 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 9: is always non consensual. These children don't even have the 627 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 9: ability to consent to sex. So let's get that on 628 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 9: the table. First of all, I think one of the 629 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 9: things we have to keep in mind, sixty six percent 630 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 9: of child sex abuse victims are between the ages of 631 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 9: twelve and seven. This is a ripe atmosphere. This woman 632 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 9: took her position. It's easy to impress teens. She was likable, 633 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 9: she was powerful, and she was popular. She was providing money, alcohol, 634 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 9: Everything was free to these kids. We don't know the 635 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 9: socioeconomics of the children who are in that position, and 636 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 9: we know that there were no other authority figures. She 637 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 9: always set it up so that she was the sole adult, 638 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 9: and she convinced other adults to trust her to supervise, 639 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 9: protect and prevent any damage, and she did nothing of 640 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 9: the sort. Instead, she was pretending that she was forever 641 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 9: twenty one, if you will, and disregarding any sort of 642 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 9: obligation as an adult or as an authority figure. 643 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: So would you say, Anna Sonoda that she has some 644 00:38:52,440 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: sort of an age regression mental ailment or as the 645 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: motive here, or do you believe it's for her pure 646 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: sex gratification or so somehow she can be the quote 647 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: cool mom. 648 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 9: I actually don't think it matters. Why. 649 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't matter. 650 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 9: Why we're so fixated on why somebody would do something. 651 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 9: The message that listeners need to get out of this 652 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 9: example is that people who are entrusted with your child, 653 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,479 Speaker 9: as long as you send them into environments in which 654 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 9: they have space and access away from proper supervision, the 655 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 9: highest risk environment your child can ever be in is 656 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 9: your home or someone else's home. So if these parents 657 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 9: had just eliminated the house parties, this wasn't happening at school, 658 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 9: This wasn't happening at church, This wasn't happening in the 659 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 9: local playground. This is happening at her home. Let's all 660 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 9: wake up to the reality that our homes, and when 661 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 9: we allow our children to go to other people's homes, 662 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 9: that is the highest risk environment. So honestly, I don't 663 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 9: care what reason she had for acting like a teen 664 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 9: other than grooming and looking cool and having access and 665 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 9: then suddenly being the one almost like a big sister 666 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 9: with a proper id. Here are these kids who are 667 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 9: trying to test the boundaries because that is the appropriate 668 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 9: developmental stage that they are going through in their own adolescents. 669 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: Jane Doe too did not want to testify, claiming she 670 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: wants to quote forget this ever happened, But her mother 671 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: spoke out, saying she's not here because she doesn't want 672 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: Shannon O'Connor to own one more minute of her life. 673 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: My daughter is not here because she's busy doing what 674 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: kids their junior years should be doing, studying for AP tests, SATs, 675 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: prom dress fitting, dreaming about colleges. Her life will never 676 00:40:49,560 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: be the same crime stories with Nancy Grace. In court, 677 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: Shannon O'Connor tried to look like a conservative librarian and 678 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: a black jacket with a ponytail done up in the 679 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: back of her head. At times, she would look demurely 680 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: at the judge and then back down to her lap 681 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: in front of her. It didn't work. The jury saw 682 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: through the act and convicted her and had nothing to 683 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: do with her demeanor and had everything to do with 684 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: the facts. What do we know? 685 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 2: Defendant Shannon O'Connor was convicted of more than sixty crimes 686 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 2: against more than a dozen child victims from Los gaddos 687 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 2: every child who testified. The jury convicted the defendant of 688 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: a charge involving that child. 689 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: Michael bought for an NYPD sergeant. Have you ever seen 690 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: anything like it to this extent? 691 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 6: No, it's crazy. And she knew exactly what she was 692 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 6: doing was illegal, you know, by keeping it from the 693 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 6: parents and conspiring with the kids to make sure I 694 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 6: kept it from the parents. So she knew exactly what 695 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 6: she was doing. And I do agree with your other 696 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 6: caller that none of the acts are consensual due to age, 697 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 6: and she's basically an accessory to a sexual assault. She's 698 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 6: a facilitator, and she encouraged the behavior. She's just as 699 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 6: bad as the person committing the sexual assault. And she 700 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 6: must be getting gratification out. 701 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: Of it, so much from being a cool mom not 702 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: so cool behind bars? Drew Panter, what is a status 703 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: O'Connor's case? 704 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 4: Oh? Man, So this is one of those cases that 705 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 4: just keeps going on and on. There's been many steps 706 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 4: and we're not even really even into the preliminary inquiry yet. 707 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 4: It was about to start the preliminary inquiry and then 708 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 4: there was a legal maneuver that I personally wasn't familiar 709 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 4: with until now, which is basically going to the judge 710 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 4: and saying, hey, if I plead to all the charges, 711 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 4: what would you give me? So that's basically the step 712 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 4: that we are in now, where I just spoke with 713 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 4: a parent yesterday and one of the parents told me that, 714 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 4: you know, Shannon O'Connor has now been offered a seventeen 715 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 4: year and four month sentence. Of course, this has not 716 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 4: been put on the record yet, so there is a 717 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 4: chance that could change before you know, before I hear next. However, 718 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 4: that's what if she decides to plead to everything. We're 719 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 4: told that she could go away for seventeen years. It 720 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 4: could have been as much as twenty, but who knows. 721 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 4: Maybe this is just a legal maneuver to draw things 722 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 4: out and basically start the process all over again of 723 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 4: the preliminary inquiry, and then if that goes forward, of course, 724 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 4: there could be a trial later on. And this is 725 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 4: all going after an earlier process to try to get 726 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,439 Speaker 4: out on bail. She's currently in pre trial custody as 727 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 4: you heard there at the Elmwood facility there in Santa 728 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 4: Clara County, and basically her lawyer took that all the 729 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 4: way to the California Supreme Court. So a lot of 730 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 4: these kids, as you'd heard earlier, they're saying, you know, 731 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 4: I want my life back, and in fact they're saying, geez, 732 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 4: I want to at least be able to get through college, 733 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 4: you know, and be free from you know, any tormenting 734 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 4: from her. Of course, this is all now Shannon O'Connor, 735 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 4: we have to say, has not had a full chance 736 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 4: to amount the defense. Of course she could have, but 737 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 4: this is this has not gone to trial. However, from 738 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 4: a lot of the evidence that has come out so far, 739 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 4: there are justices in California and judges in the California 740 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 4: system that have pointed to the strong evidence as they 741 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 4: see it about some of the stuff that has happened. 742 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 4: So's be careful. But at the same time we have 743 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 4: to say, hey, this is one of those cases where 744 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 4: there is it seems to be at least some pretty 745 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 4: strong evidence of a lot of this behavior occurring. I 746 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 4: want to say one more thing really quickly, and that 747 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 4: is clarifying one of the comments that was meant that 748 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 4: was made earlier, and I believe one of the victims 749 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 4: had said, you know, I'm known as the girl who 750 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 4: was raped. I believe that's the same person that followed 751 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 4: that statement up by saying, hey, that's not even my allegation. 752 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 4: Now that's not to say that she believes that didn't 753 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 4: happen to other girls or possibly boys, We don't know. 754 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 4: But what the point is is that we also have 755 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 4: a responsibility as a community in a society to be 756 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 4: careful with how we look at how these situations play out, 757 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 4: because you know, we don't want a victim. See they 758 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,439 Speaker 4: need to be seen as victims for what happened to them, 759 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 4: and they shouldn't be tarnished with any kind of negative reputation. 760 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: All the crimes occurred at the property O'Connor owned with 761 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: her tech executive husband, Robert amerll there in Los Gato's, 762 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: a very very exclusive area in northern California, but also 763 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: town rentals in Santa Cruz and Lake Tahoe. What is 764 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: wrong with this woman? Victims describe being lured to the 765 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,839 Speaker 1: parties over social media and by text to quote hang 766 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: out at get togethers, some enticed with the promise of 767 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: flying on a private jet. What was she thinking? There 768 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: is no doubt in my mind that O'Connor is furiously 769 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,720 Speaker 1: planning her appeal as we go to air, we wait 770 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,479 Speaker 1: as justice unfals Nancy Grace crime story, signing off IF 771 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: my Friend