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Speaker 1: Patriot It's unfiltered. Hey, guys, how's everybody doing over there? Good? Good? Okay. Mcclennan,

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Speaker 1: I got I got on a mccleanin kick yesterday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: and I started thinking about that mcclennan. His name is mcclennan.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what mccleannon is. That's what mac is

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Speaker 1: short for. That was it? That was it? That sealed

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Speaker 1: as fat? That was But he's correcting everybody else with

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Speaker 1: a long correction, and that was. I'm like, dear research,

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Speaker 1: You guys are reports. I used tops add the team.

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Speaker 1: Remember that Tennessee lineman on the sideline? Can't feel my hands?

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Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. Don't you think Sirianni looks like a

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Speaker 1: cast member from three hundred? Now? I need to see

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Speaker 1: with a shirt off, Yeah, I don't know about that,

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Speaker 1: or in a loincloth, Bill BELICHICKI coaches in a cut

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Speaker 1: off hoodie blineclothing, so the line hasn't changed. And I

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Speaker 1: think the touts and the sharps are telling us something

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Speaker 1: I never know what he's talking about. I just told

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Speaker 1: this is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to Patriots Unfiltered. Oh, if the touts and the sharps

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Speaker 1: really knew something, it wouldn't have been four, would have

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Speaker 1: been fourteen or more forty. Right, we got a lot

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Speaker 1: to unpackage here. I mean, this is therapy. The doctor

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Speaker 1: is in, I'm here for all of you. We got

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Speaker 1: to talk about this season in this game. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the game in particular needs a lot of talk,

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Speaker 1: because it's more like what do we do, because you know,

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Speaker 1: they are and what possibly the team can do about it.

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Speaker 1: But here it is. It is Tuesday here at Gilette Stadium.

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Speaker 1: We're on to twenty twenty two, our first post twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one show, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's over

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Speaker 1: two days a week now. It's over. Just like that.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem with you know, like sports. You know

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Speaker 1: when it comes to an end, it's like so sub

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Speaker 1: falling off the tred bone. It's just we're done. One

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Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour on the highway and jaming on

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Speaker 1: the brake. Yeah, it was good to have a couple

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Speaker 1: try to process it after. You know, I always sleep

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Speaker 1: bad after we do the postgame show. You get home late,

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Speaker 1: but A man did I I kept waking up. I

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Speaker 1: just couldn't believe that it was as bad as it

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Speaker 1: really shown months after the bye they beat up on Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Defense wasn't producing turnovers. You know, we talked about the

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Speaker 1: run stuff. But I think ultimately for this team, my

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Speaker 1: whole concern the whole year was what do they do

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Speaker 1: last three seasons and you know, last year a little

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Speaker 1: They gotta build a new defense now they have to,

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Speaker 1: h impatience hurt the Patriots this season? In other words,

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Speaker 1: That's great. Maybe there's too many voices in the room.

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Speaker 1: you know who won that game? The Patriots. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know why, because that version of the Patriots had a

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Speaker 1: lot of different ways to win. This one has won. Well,

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Speaker 1: And that's and that's to me been a problem for

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the seventeen game season. It wasn't something

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Speaker 1: Bill was referring as much to his offense we couldn't

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you didn't have the ones that hit,

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Speaker 1: and you know, think about how bad it would have been.

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Speaker 1: a lot of different things. I like Fred's Fred's premise,

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Speaker 1: you know, did did Maybe the impatience a little bit

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Speaker 1: ended up hurting them, We'll see. I The one thing

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Speaker 1: and a half along those lines that I agree with you, Fred,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's where you were going is I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's as like, Okay, you know, it's a setback,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we're you know, we're rising, We're we're

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Speaker 1: we're there. I think they have a long way to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tennessee game in the Buffalo game, right, mitigating circumstances and

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Speaker 1: would only won one of the games, right right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Miami game. No progression from first game of the

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Speaker 1: all the way, that's I think that's to be determined.

427
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 1: But that's another big picture item that I don't think

428
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: is ready for exactly. But I'm just would take some

429
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: exception to some of not what Eric said, but like

430
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: some of the reaction of the game. If I heard one,

431
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,719
Speaker 1: I heard it fifteen times, like he wasn't the problem. Okay,

432
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: you were down thirty three to three. He was eleven

433
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: for seventeen four hundred and sixteen yards and two interceptions

434
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: when you were down thirty three to three. He might

435
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: not have been the problem, but he wasn't the solution either. Yeah,

436
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: Like he can't, I just can. He just not have

437
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: been the biggest reason why they lost, but yet in

438
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: a game that they were never competitive and not really

439
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 1: have been considered to play well. Because I don't think

440
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: he played well. He was fine. He wasn't on our

441
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: bad list, right, We didn't put him on the bad list,

442
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: at least I didn't. But I've heard a lot of

443
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: oh one silver lining in this game. Mac Jones. He

444
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: came to play. Yeah, he made a couple of huge

445
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: plays in that first drive, the scramble for the first

446
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: down to Hunter Henry and then the scramble on third

447
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: and sixteen to run himself. Yeah, like a couple of

448
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: huge plays. Then he threw a pick. I don't care

449
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: how good the play was by the other guy. He

450
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: threw a pick, right, but I'm gonna I'm gonna give

451
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: him a little bit of a pass on that. No,

452
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: no pun intended. Thank you. I know you don't. You're

453
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: not really feeling it today. Do anybody see this Nickelodeon

454
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: interview with Deebo Samuel No, That kid was hilarious. Well, um,

455
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: not what that was I saying? Oh about Matt Yeah,

456
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: I just like the fact that he got some experience

457
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, which that was beyond anything I could

458
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: have hoped for at the beginning of this season, that

459
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: he at least got that far. Oh yeah, that's that's

460
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: the big picture to be is he got and he got.

461
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: He got through a seventeen game season, took every snap,

462
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: got as many reps as possible. I mean, I don't

463
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: know what else you could have asked for nothing, but

464
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: I really don't. But at the same time, it doesn't

465
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: mean that I am like no longer concerned about the quarterback.

466
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, That's why I said, I think

467
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: the jury is still probably a little bit out as

468
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: far as that goes. But I am really happy with

469
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,239
Speaker 1: his rookie year. Yes, as a Patriots fan. It's not

470
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: an analyst here. As a Patriots fan, I step away

471
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: and say, we got a rookie quarterback who looks like

472
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: he has an idea of what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah,

473
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: it gives you a degree of stability when really I

474
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: don't think there's a whole lot that you can really

475
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: cling cling to. But I think, Paul, just to agree

476
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: with your point, I think a lot of this Max

477
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: stuff was just that he looked composed in that first

478
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: drive and he threw the ball a little bit, and

479
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: like that one drive I think is carrying a lot

480
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: of a lot of that narrative. But it was enough

481
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: that I put it on like on a night they

482
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: lost forty seven to seventeen, we put it on the

483
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: good list just those two plays. Yeah, like I thought

484
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: they were good enough players that warranted, you know, some

485
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: conversation and on an otherwise dreary where the only thing,

486
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: you know what, the only thing that we had on

487
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: the on the good list was Nick Foles. You jumped

488
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: on the extra point is the only thing I said

489
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: it about good thing? They blocked that extra point. Now

490
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of work to do. Um. I

491
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: think they had a good draft. They had three guys

492
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: in the last draft that you can point to our

493
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: keepers and Jones, Barm Warren Stevenson. They're gonna have to

494
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: do that again. They're gonna have to get at least

495
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: three guys that become regular contributors right away. Yeah. Um,

496
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, then there's some guys that were

497
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: on the sideline all year that you know it'll start up,

498
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: trust me, Well, you know we're gonna be getting Ronnie

499
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: Perkins and we're gonna be getting and we're in Anthrety

500
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: Jennings is gonna be Yeah, the camera mcgrown thing. Oh,

501
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, like on the like he he had a

502
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: tourn Aco. We didn't see him play. I don't know

503
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: what he could do. Ronnie Perkins could have played and didn't.

504
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: Everybody Jennings has been here two years, yeah right, you know,

505
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: could have played and hasn't. Right, this was his second

506
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: this was his second year. Yeah, okay, and he hasn't. Like,

507
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why he's on I R. I just

508
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: know that he hasn't. I've watched him in training camp

509
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: for two years and not been a part of any

510
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: of their regular packages. So he wasn't going to play. Yeah,

511
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, not to. I mean, I

512
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: guess we're just kind of bouncing around, But I mean

513
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: I think to that point, it's like, are they are

514
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: they going to turn it over to those guys, to McMillan, mcgron,

515
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: Jennings to buy ch Winovich and Perkins. I mean, those

516
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: are you know, the young guys that they've drafted or

517
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: acquired in the last couple of years, Like, are they

518
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: ready to make that kind of switch, which is you know,

519
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: in which I think we're kind of circling around the

520
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: should they have done it last year? Should they have?

521
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Speaker 1: Well that gets into the whole argument that Paul and

522
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: I had, Yeah, but they might have to because if

523
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: if High Tower doesn't come back, you know, when they decide,

524
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: you know, you know you got Bentley, I don't you

525
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: know he's still on the country. He's a free agent,

526
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: free agent, yeah yeah, so and Vannoy has another year,

527
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: right and his contract Annoy is under contract. But do

528
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: you want him back? Right? So there's a lot of

529
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: decisions in that area of the field that you have

530
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: to make. That's another thing, Like, you know, I mean

531
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: Miami got rid of Annoy. How many times has Collins

532
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: gotten kind of jettison? You know, like these guys like

533
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: and I can't help, but you know, I have so

534
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: much respect for Matthew Slayer, Devin mccordy, High Tower, these

535
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: guys who have been the locker room leaders and tone

536
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: setters for so long. But if I if I'm gonna

537
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: have Collins on my team, I want him to show

538
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: up and he needs to flash and game, yeah, you know,

539
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: like not make a play every not be me like

540
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: leading to but be disruptive, be that athlete that we

541
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: thinking he's how old is he now? But they're all

542
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: on they're on the wrong side of third exactly. My

543
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: bigger point is is that love those guys, don't want

544
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: to see them gone. But do you think that there's

545
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: too many people waiting around for the Championship Patriots to

546
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden kick in, because you still have

547
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: this element of the Championship Patriots. So, like we talked

548
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: this year about how you love Judon just doesn't have

549
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: a sense of it. You like Mac, he doesn't have

550
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: a sense of it. I don't. I'm not I'm not

551
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: going to advocate getting rid of Slater, mccordy and high Tower.

552
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: But I think that there might be an element to

553
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: this team that there's a lot of guys who just

554
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of look to those guys and be like, well,

555
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: it's just gonna happen, right, We got these guys, like

556
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: the match is just gonna happen, right, We're in the playoffs.

557
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: This is it, Like it's just gonna happen. It doesn't

558
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: Like I think that there needs to be an element

559
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: of that needs to be out, Like you need to

560
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: realize this is a totally new Patriots team that needs

561
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: to go into the AFC easton, you know, beat the

562
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: Dolphins and beat the Bills. These are things they haven't

563
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: been able to do. This isn't that team anymore that

564
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden is going to turn on championship football.

565
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: So we'll see what those guys have to decide in

566
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: the coming weeks. I mean, I think that, you know,

567
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: first it's their decision to see and then it's you know,

568
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: the Patriots if they want them back. But right I

569
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: just think there's an element of you need the turnover. Yeah,

570
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're waiting for like Bill to

571
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: have that big press conference where he tells you what

572
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: he thought, it's not gonna happen. As we've said for decades,

573
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: now look at what they do. That'll tell us what

574
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: he thinks of what's going on. I just thought it

575
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: was really interesting to hear him say the words was

576
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: that us? Or was that just a bad night? You know?

577
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I think everybody's like, that's you. That's

578
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: who you've been, like, that's who you've been going on

579
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: the years, but especially now see the bigger picture. I

580
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: totally agree with that. The bigger picture is that was them. Now,

581
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: you could make an argument for semantics and say seventeen

582
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: wasn't them but being but you're just deceiving yourself into

583
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: thinking that you were on their level. Right, right, Like

584
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: the last five times you've played you you basically beat

585
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: him because of a tornado. I mean you lost. Think

586
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: about that. Somebody said that, Um, you know, the Bills

587
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: pitched a perfect game in terms of the offense. Yeah,

588
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: and they did it twice, Like no punts the last time,

589
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: two times. This one was more perfect than the first

590
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: one indeed. Right, but they haven't punted against the Patriots

591
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: since thirteen and a half minutes were left in the

592
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: third quarter of the tornado game, right, Yeah, they didn't

593
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: even punt with a tornado in a second. So you

594
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: had you had no answers against the division rival, a

595
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: team that you know, Yeah, you went absolutely no answers. Yeah,

596
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: and I think that brings up a good Bob. No,

597
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: not good Bob at all. But I think it also

598
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: brings up one of the one of the points that's

599
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: been known at me too, is like you need to

600
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: have somebody on the defensive side to be held accountable.

601
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: You need a coordinator because whenever there's a bad game offensively. Yeah,

602
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't like Josh's play calling. You can

603
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: pinpoint to Josh. Well on defense, who do you point to? Well?

604
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: What somebody used to take the fall for what I

605
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: was gonna do is you know, after I was gonna

606
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: tease is at the break that after the break we're

607
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna talk about coaching, okay, you know, because like I

608
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: will table it for them. Yeah. Yeah, And so after

609
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: the break coming, you know, who do we think is

610
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: coming going and all that stuff, because that's a whole

611
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: You're right, that's a whole discussion, right, And there's a

612
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: lot of interviews taking place now for other teams with

613
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: personnel and coaching staff and Patriots related news there. We

614
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: can get into that later if you want. Yeah, yeah,

615
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's a lot to unpack, and yeah,

616
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Speaker 1: the JC Jackson definitely probably at the top of the list,

617
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Speaker 1: all right. Five five Pats five hundred is the a

618
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Speaker 1: sticket hut line web radio at Patriots dot com is

619
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Speaker 1: the email address. Lots of calls and emails coming in,

620
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Speaker 1: So let's hit the phones. We'll start with Patty and Agawam,

621
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Speaker 1: what's up Patty? Patty at Patty Now, there is nothing

622
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: like them, nothing like them. Tuesday Afternoon Therapy. I'll tell

623
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Speaker 1: you what um I tried getting in on the postgame show, Freddie,

624
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the call, the lines were flooded,

625
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: people needed to talk, and yeah, so I just want

626
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: to touch a little bit on the game in the

627
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: offense and they'll call in Thursday and uh air, My

628
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: grievance was about the defense. But make no mistake about it,

629
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: Buffalo did not slay any dragons. And on Saturday night

630
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: they are at the Dragon. Now yours, every team in

631
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: the AFC East was tasted us, and it's pretty clear

632
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: that they're you know, subsequently, they might win the Super Bowl.

633
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: So we have to decide whether we're competing against them

634
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: for a division, for a conference, or as a champion.

635
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: So that's what I got to say about that. Um,

636
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: the offense, I don't I think there's good pieces in place.

637
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Speaker 1: Obviously the running backs are good. You guys brought up Born.

638
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: I think Born's a player. I think Hunter Henry's a player.

639
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: But can every well, like I've talked to people, like

640
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: people in my circle who think it's either one way

641
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: or the other. It's like Max sucks or Max greet

642
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: Can we give the guy like maybe two or three years? Right? Yeah?

643
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Like like right, do we have to have a decision? Now?

644
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: That's why I say the jury is still out with him.

645
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: He needs more time. Yeah, and Paul, you hit the

646
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: nail on the head. I mean, he looks like he

647
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: can play. He looks like he gets it. But let's see.

648
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: Let's see what he does in the next couple of

649
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: seasons and how he progresses in the program. I would

650
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: hate to be like the jets Worth passed off, right.

651
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: I just get annoyed when the offense basically did nothing

652
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: until the game was decided. It was thirty three to

653
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: three before the offense moved the ball, and I'm hearing

654
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: one after another after another. Mac wasn't the problem. Mac

655
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: played well. I mean, if you want to tell me

656
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: that Mac was like number twenty on the list of

657
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: problems Saturday night, I would agree, Like the first eighteen

658
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: things had to be defensive. But Mac, like, your only

659
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: chance to win that game based on the way you

660
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: played defense was to get in a shootout, right, And

661
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: you didn't score until halfway through the third quarter. Down

662
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: thirty points. We couldn't keep up correct And I got

663
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: one name for you, guys, Wayne Dale Robinson out of Kentucky.

664
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: Look him up. He's he's If we're going to go

665
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: back to possibly putting like a speedier guy, a guy

666
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: that can separate, a guy that shifting in the splot.

667
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: He looks like a player because I listened. I looked

668
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: to Kobe Myers too. But we need to get some

669
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: speed in that position. And that's all I got for today, Guys.

670
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I'll call back on Thursday and designs. I feel good

671
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: about what how I've put Mack in my mind. I

672
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: think he was an average NFL quarterback this year. He

673
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: was an average NFL quarterback as a rookie. And you

674
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: can take that for all the good and the bad

675
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: that it means. You can be happy with it. Certainly

676
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: last year you'd be happy with average quarterback play. But

677
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think he still definitely has strides to

678
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: make and improvements and he's gonna need guys around him.

679
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: But that that's where I land. And I think the

680
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: debate going back and forth between he's an average quarterback

681
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: like that's it's hard to bend down. He was also

682
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: he was also a rookie, an average quarterback as a rookie,

683
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: which is good, Which is good. Yeah, it doesn't mean

684
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be an above average veteran, right, That's right.

685
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: That's why the jury is still out because I can

686
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: give you a laundry list of guys that you would

687
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: have thought were in a similar spot after the rookie years. Yeah,

688
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: and they're still in that same spot, right, They haven't

689
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: regressed the same, haven't moved on. Yeah. I did have

690
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: soulless um knowing that after the game I could go

691
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: back to New England and these people would have to

692
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: stay in Buffalo. What a what a miserable on the

693
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: one day the sun comes out, it's four degrees. It's

694
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: just a miserable play. I also thought it was funny,

695
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people, Peter King was trumpeting that

696
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: game as being the possible Monday night game, and then

697
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: if in fact it were played on Monday night, there

698
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: was a blizzard, right, just an awful, awful place. Did

699
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: you see any of the picks of Ryan Fitzpatrick there?

700
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: He went as a fan? I saw that shirtless? That

701
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: really him? Yeah? I thought that was like a photoshop

702
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: or someone who looked like him. That was really I really,

703
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was so cool. Yeah, a bunch of

704
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: pictures of him shirt off and wow, yeah, what a guy.

705
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: That's one of the seventeen teams he's played for, right, right,

706
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: Let's go to Nolan in New York. A Nolan, Hey, fellas,

707
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: how are you doing good? Good? So I've emailed in

708
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: a few times. This is my first time calling and

709
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: Freddie were right. You guys are the therapist and I'm

710
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: the client. Land on the couch right now. So I've

711
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: had a lot of thoughts since Saturday night. Um, first,

712
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: I want to say that I am also a diehard

713
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: Michigan football fan for college and what I saw on

714
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: Saturday was the equivalent as far as the difference in speed, power,

715
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: pure talent, all that was the exact same. Is what

716
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: I saw in Georgia versus Michigan in the in the

717
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: semi finals. That's what I looked like. Um that's twenty

718
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: five star recruits versus three. That's what I looked like. UM.

719
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: I know this, this point has been beaten to death

720
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: since Saturday, but I think this defense needs torn down. Mccordy,

721
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: love him, He's gotta go High Tower, love him. You

722
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: gotta go Van noy Collins, These Boogeyman leftovers, like, I

723
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: don't want to see that again. I think we need

724
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: to adapt. I think we need to change everything up. Um,

725
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: get younger, get faster. Is that that point has been made. Um,

726
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm okay with resigning j C because I don't see

727
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: anybody else better out there. Um. But and really, the

728
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: league is going to pass this team by, and not

729
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: even just the league, but the division. UM, I get it.

730
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: It's still the Bills. We want Buffalo. They stopped Josh

731
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Allen's garbage while they run the division. As I heard

732
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: on one of Paul's shows yesterday. Yeah. Right. But from

733
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: the outside, like, I totally think that Bill is the goat.

734
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I think he's the greatest coach of all time. But

735
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: outside of Foxborough, you're going to just see people say,

736
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: look at his record without Tom Brady, and you're going

737
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: to see what Tom's doing in Tampa and say, really,

738
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: how great is he? Um. I think this is the

739
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: greatest challenge of his career. I think this is where

740
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: he either adapts or dies off and we get left

741
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: in the dust. It's not just outside of Foxborough that's

742
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: saying that, by the way, YEA plenty of it inside. Yeah,

743
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: plenty of fans are asking that question. But I agree

744
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: with you. I think it is a huge challenge ahead

745
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: and I think that he's put I think he's a

746
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: lot of self in post pressure with keep you know,

747
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: A for the record that he that he's chasing, and

748
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: B to keep up with Brady. And I think, you

749
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: know you you'd like to be able to step back

750
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: and just say, well, just go about trying to get

751
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: your team back in title contention. But I do think

752
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: those external factors are playing a role. Yeah, And it

753
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: looks like the Bucks are going to keep get at

754
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: least back to the NFC Championship, right. I don't know

755
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: about that. I don't know. I don't think that's a guarantee.

756
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: That's a tough game on yeah, yeah, but it's in Tampa,

757
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Tampa will be favored, although the Rams

758
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: do they have played well against the Buck Yeah, but

759
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: will not be an easy game. No, I think all

760
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: the games this weekend are going to be phenomenal better. Yeah, yeah, Nolan,

761
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: that was a good call. Thank you. Um Chris with

762
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: a T, I A n what's up? Christian? Oh? You

763
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: know this is definitely therapy. Um. You know, the very

764
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: first pf W in Progress I listened to was the

765
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: first show after the loss to Indianapolis and the championship

766
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: game in two thousand seven, two six. Yeah, Okay, yeah,

767
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: there you go, so that and that, you know, because

768
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was therapy radio and oh yeah

769
00:38:51,920 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 1: had him. Yeah about the you know what, a loss

770
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: like this is really jarring, and it just that shakes

771
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: the whole foundation of the team. And they're apparently a

772
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: lot closer to the number seven team than they are

773
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: to the number one teat right now. And we're going

774
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: to talk aboth rebuilding this team throughout the whole offseason,

775
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: but I wanted to get your thoughts on this quick,

776
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: and this is sort of what I think. Last year

777
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: was a perfect storm for you. You had an abundance

778
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: of cap space, You had an abundance of available players

779
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: that fit the needs that you had, and you went

780
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: out and you spent the money, and then you had

781
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: a draft that was five quarterbacks deep and you got

782
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Now you don't have anywhere near the amount

783
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: of cap space, and you can make the argument that

784
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: your needs are bigger, particularly on the defensive side of

785
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: the ball, after everything that happened, really everything that happened

786
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: on Saturday, but it's actually really everything that had happened

787
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: in the last month of the seat. And my question

788
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: for you is this, I don't see this as a

789
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: one year fix, Like this is gonna take like true

790
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: to three years to rebuild this defense, and it's gonna

791
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: have to come through the draft. And my biggest fear

792
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: is that Bill can't do it. Yeah, I hear you,

793
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, but it's it. You know, Paul was whispering,

794
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: but I heard him offense. Yeah, you know, if Dante

795
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: Scernecia recognizes that your quarterback needs that guy that binkie,

796
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: he's he's talking from experience. I know what the numbers are.

797
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: I know what the numbers say. The Patriots and the

798
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Bills are defensively okay, but what do you honest to God,

799
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: don't try to sugarcoat it because we just got pasted,

800
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: But what do you really think of the Bills defense? Average?

801
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: Thank you? I agree, I couldn't agree why. It's a

802
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: perfect explanation. Especially Yeah, I think I think with Trey

803
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: White and they have the ability to maybe get a

804
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: little bit more aggressive up front, knowing that the coverage

805
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: is that I think their second they gets an average

806
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: defense that has made the Patriots offense look really bad. Yeah,

807
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, it were easy to defend, right, Yeah,

808
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely no doubt about it, and you know, uh,

809
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: Pat brought up a great point about um oh man

810
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers, you know, and and Fredis just gets back

811
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: to your point about not having the Welk or the

812
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: m Mondla the James White to go to guy. Um, yeah,

813
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: Mac needs to go to guy. Uh. But Paul, you

814
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: mentioned the postgame show about the linebackers. Uh, and you'd

815
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: be you know, talking about people had called about drafting

816
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: linebackers and you kind of said, well, they've already done

817
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: that for the past like three years. Yeah, and you've

818
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: got guys here, and you mentioned off the top, you know, Perkins, Jennings,

819
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: Oochi Winevich. Where are these guys? And Jenny said, as

820
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Hurt mcgron is another one. That's five linebackers in the

821
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: top what three rounds in the last three years. When

822
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: they drafted him, he was not No, No, I know that.

823
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: I know that. I'm saying, like, it's hard to just say, well,

824
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: they're going to go out and draft a linebacker in

825
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: the first round. I think it's a it's a philosophy problem.

826
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: And I've said this for a long time now. All

827
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: of those athletic linebackers that run around like you said

828
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: that you know you're looking for a missile, Fred, Yeah,

829
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't draft those guys. Yeah. I think

830
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Bill thinks they're too small. I think you need one. Yeah.

831
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: Now here's the problem with being you know, the fear

832
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: of being too small should mean that you're really stout

833
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: against the run, and they're not. Yeah, either, right, it

834
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: could be a lot him off season. I'm glad you

835
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: guys think, hey, happy birthday, they're here. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

836
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: I just that's what I find hard to kind of resolve.

837
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: It's just do you have these veteran linebackers that fit

838
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: a clear mold and all these guys they've drafted, they

839
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: all seem like third down guys and none of them

840
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: really seem I mean, Winevich would think, I mean inactive

841
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: in that game. This will be now where like you,

842
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: in a perfect world you'd be saying, yeah, we got

843
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: to move on from from these older guys. But Whenevich

844
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: is starting to come on in his fourth year, he's

845
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: going to be I think I think there's like a

846
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: like a skill set with Winnevich that is kind of

847
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. I just don't think he's good

848
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: enough at it because he's because they're kind of I think,

849
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: and I think he's a little and I think that's

850
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: what bugs Bill. But I just look around the league

851
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: at some of these guys, and you know, we know

852
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: all that, you know, the Devin Whites of the world

853
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: and Levante David's, Devin Bush, Patrick, Queen, Kenneth Murray. I mean,

854
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: there's a million of them. There's a million of them. Really,

855
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: that's the linebacker that the league is gravitating toward now

856
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: everywhere but here. And I told you I watched that

857
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: the college football playoffs. And the kid from Georgia is

858
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: another one. It's uh Nikobe Dean I think is his name, um,

859
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: And he's two twenty five. I unless Bill changes his mind,

860
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: cross him off the list. Now he's going to be

861
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: a high draft pick anyway, but cross him off the

862
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: list because Bill's not interested. And a guy that's small,

863
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: And I looked at it as saying, yeah, okay, you

864
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: could probably run up this guy. You could probably line

865
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: up a guard and take him out. Okay, what's the

866
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: difference between what's happening now? Like a team that doesn't

867
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: even want to run the football, did that to you

868
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: Saturday night? Yeah, they just lined up and ran it

869
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: right down your throat. If you look at Singletary, we

870
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: had a really good game. Yeah. And if you look

871
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: at all the teams that are still alive, I think

872
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: maybe except for the forty Night, don't they all have

873
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: pretty dangerous offenses. You know, well yeah, yeah, since yeah, yeah,

874
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's the age old thing. I know, everybody's oh,

875
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, defense, defense beats offense every time, except for

876
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: like in the last ten years in the NFL. Well,

877
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: like there are exceptions always, there's no absolutes. But Kansas City, yep, Buffalo, Buffalo, Tampa,

878
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: the Rams, they all have really good offenses. Yeah, they

879
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: all have really good offense. Now probably that maybe the

880
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: team with the best defense of those teams might be

881
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: the one or just the one that makes interception at

882
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: the right the big play at the right time, right

883
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: and again, you know, like San Francisco, like Fred Warner,

884
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: another one of those line backups. You know, just these

885
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: guys just just run around and make plays. They might

886
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: not be like they might not have been able to

887
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: play fifteen twenty years ago. Yeah, but nowadays, I think

888
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: Juwan Bentley, Juan Bentley is a nice player, Like I

889
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: don't think he's a stiff. I just think that he's

890
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: more like Brandon Spikes. Yeah yeah, from a you know,

891
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: from a day gone by. I think he's an interesting

892
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: one to monitor for free agency because I think if

893
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: they let him go, it maybe signals all right, we're

894
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna get away from that if they lock him up,

895
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: and which I think they probably could, and maybe should

896
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: they resigned, Like that's like to me, that's all I like,

897
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: again to Fred, watch what they do. They resigned another

898
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: like bigger, slower linebacker, up him off with twenty acl Yeah. Yeah,

899
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm I was under the impression

900
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't exactly that, you know, Okay, I mean maybe

901
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: you're right. I don't know. I mean, for whatever reason,

902
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: but I just think Bentley's a touchstone because you're gonna

903
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: lose a lot of leadership probably, and I mean he

904
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: is one guy that I think he's still only twenty

905
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: five twenty six, so you know, it's it's just each

906
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: one of these decisions I think will be interesting over

907
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: the course of the offseason because it'll tell you what

908
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: direction they're heading to. And it's also just in comparison

909
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: to this last game when you literally did nothing on defense,

910
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: you did nothing. It's it's hard to make comparisons because

911
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: everything would be better than nothing, you know. So I

912
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: don't know what direction they're going to go, but I

913
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: do think, like when I first started blogging Patriots, like

914
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: the thing that interests me most was how Bill was

915
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: going to rebuild the defense the first time. So in

916
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: that regard, I am I am interested in this offseason

917
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: to see how they do it schematically? Do they move

918
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: on from the veterans actively? Do they try to balance it?

919
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: Do they try to all right, let's keep van Noy around,

920
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: let's resign Bentley, but let's really try to integrate mcgroan

921
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: or you know, Jennings. They're going to come into these roles.

922
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: You know, how do they do it? Is it a

923
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: total teardown or is it kind of half in, half out?

924
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I just worried that it's like for Bill Yeah, yeah, no,

925
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: I'll take the exceptional athlete. Yeah yet Lawrence Taylor. Yeah,

926
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, who's who's like sixty three and two sixty

927
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: but runs like that, like you know, like a Dayalis

928
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: Thomas was supposed to be, you know, like this unbelievable specimen.

929
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: Who does it all? Like? And how do you perfect

930
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: players don't exist. How do you feel about Tom Brady?

931
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Judon next year? Like going

932
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: into the year, this was something I was thinking about

933
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Judon and Jackson and the guys on on my second

934
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: from my second out. I don't know if we set

935
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: it off here, but I am very very I want

936
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: to hear that Judon was hurt. I am very worried

937
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: about you, not not. I just want to hear that

938
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: he was hurt because that would explain things. Because his

939
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: production fell off the cliff. I mean, you know, it's

940
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: one of those things. Period, after each word he became

941
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: a fell it fell off the click. You gotta get

942
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: out of that. Yes, yes, what are we doing? But

943
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: but I want to hear that there was some answer

944
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: to why his production fell off the cliff. And if

945
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: it can't be that other teams were paying more attention

946
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: to him, because good players find a way. Um. So

947
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: I want to hear that he was injured. Yeah you

948
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: know I have an excuse, Yeah, yeah, Um, Todd's in

949
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,959
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Hey Todd, Hey guys. My concerns is, Yeah,

950
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: the team, I think I'm not sure which I think

951
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: might have been deuced You guys basically said, they came out,

952
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: they looked Slot came out. You looked at Buffalo, they

953
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: were bouncing around, they were ready to go, and our

954
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: team had no motivation. So I'm not sure how much

955
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: you're really worried about, you know, defensive captains and such,

956
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: because I think what you need is we need leadership

957
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: from the coaching down and I don't think. I don't

958
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: think Bill had the tools to coach his style, but

959
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: then again, you still you have to adapt what you

960
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: have and that's what he's known for, and he didn't.

961
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: He didn't, he really did in that game. It looked

962
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: horrible to it, Like you guys said, the stars were

963
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: ore Pat Balks, and that's pretty horrible, right, all right, Tyed,

964
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: thanks for the call, short and sweet, Mike's and Florida,

965
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: what's up? Mike, Mike Hey, Mike Hey, Yeah, Sorry that man,

966
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't need to say Michael Florida, Yeah, man. I

967
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask you guys, at what point is

968
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: the standard the standard? What point do we start to

969
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: say that? Because I remember calling back in twenty nineteen

970
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: at the end of that year and there were some

971
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: people questioning whether or not Brady still could play. Maybe

972
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: he's done, and obviously he didn't have a lot of

973
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: talent around him. But like I said, I remember calling

974
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: you guys him staying, you know what. I hope he

975
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: leaves because Velicheck isn't giving this guy help. And I

976
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: think Brady is still Brady. He can still be the goal.

977
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he doesn't need the quote

978
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: unquote greatest coach of all time, the genius and all that.

979
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: You give Brady a competent coach and web, he'll still

980
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: be Brady the standard as a standard. What did he

981
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: do the next year? He showed that he still He

982
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: went out and won a Super Bowl. Yeah, he had

983
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: talent around him and all of that, but he showed listen,

984
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm still Brady. I can still do my thing. And

985
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: he's still showing that now. This week, obviously he has

986
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: a huge test, a lot of his players are hurt.

987
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if he'll win, but if

988
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: he does win again, he's still showing that. Look, I

989
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: have lesser talent, but I can still elevate the guys

990
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: around me to deliver up to that standard because he's

991
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: missing a lot of those weapons. Now finally stand to

992
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: like Mike Evans. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, he said, obviously

993
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: he has weapons still. But my point is, at what

994
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: point do we start to say, okay, Belicheck, the standard

995
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: is the standard. When Brady was here, you want to lie, Yeah,

996
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: he had great defensive schemes. Yeah, you contributed this and that,

997
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: But how many times did Brady carry a subpar of

998
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: paper champion defense to a title game, to a Super Bowl,

999
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: to at least a playoff victory? How many times did

1000
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: he do that? The Tech didn't have to carry Brady

1001
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: A lot of those times. Brady had to carry those

1002
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: subpart defenses. And now that he's gone, it's only been

1003
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: two years. True enough, last year, if you want to

1004
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: dismiss that, Cam and Covid all that, okay whatever. This year,

1005
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: this team, the Lisa Desas, they ain't even gonna talk

1006
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: about offense. The defense looked just like it did in

1007
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. There was a few games here and there

1008
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: with oh, yeah, we're great, Oh the boogey man, Oh

1009
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: didn't really say that, hahaha. Then when it was time

1010
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: to do something in the postseason, nothing, the same thing

1011
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: towards the ladder half of this year, and then a

1012
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: game we just saw on Saturday. Man, those guys were frauds.

1013
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: And I think Mike hit the nail on the head

1014
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: in the post game show he said, when we just saw,

1015
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: how can you not question everything that you saw this

1016
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: entire year? How can you not bringing the question whether

1017
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: or not this team has been a fraudulent team all year?

1018
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: And then Paul started staying, well, yeah, you know when

1019
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: you played Cleveland, a lot of people were hurt. When

1020
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: you played Atlanta, you know this and that of you

1021
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: gave an example, and I'm like, yeah, you know what,

1022
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: how can you not do that? I mean, it's just

1023
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: so so to sum it up, Mike, are you are

1024
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: you questioning the players or the coaching? Are you saying

1025
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: that it's I'll be clear, I'm questioning, and I apologize

1026
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: if I wasn't because I'm frustrated. So somebody went on, yeah,

1027
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm questioning the coaching with Belichick, and I'm wondering, at

1028
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: what point do you guys get to that point too

1029
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, Brady isn't gone. Belichick, like

1030
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: the previous callers just said, you have to prove yourself

1031
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: in a post Rady error if you're the greatest coach

1032
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: of all time, just like Brady. So the standard is

1033
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: the standard. You will have to be able to do

1034
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: that too. You can't get embarrassed in the playoffs and

1035
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: you're the greatest coach of all time defensively, man, get

1036
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: out of you. I hear you, and that I hear you.

1037
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: And like in nineteen Mike you were saying, you know,

1038
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: Brady can't he needs some weapons, you know, and all that,

1039
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the same thing about Bill. He needs help.

1040
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: He needs assistance that are going to help him. He

1041
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: can't do it all on his own, you know. So

1042
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: I think that's something that Bill's gonna have to evaluate,

1043
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: is you know, who are the people that are helping

1044
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: me make this team go? You know? Yeah, I mean

1045
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of turnover in the last few years, and

1046
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean it felt good about these guys. You know,

1047
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: this coaching staffs like they were maybe making some progress.

1048
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: But I mean the special team's mistakes throughout the year,

1049
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: the defense's inability to do anything after you saw the

1050
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: same thing for four weeks ago. I mean that that

1051
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: to me is it is it's an indictment of the

1052
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: staff and getting guys ready and how motivated are they.

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Speaker 1: Rossing Knocks popped them first. He caught another for Buffaloto

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Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders waiting on it. Oh Joe on good guy

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen of the Bills into the end zone again,

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Speaker 1: I think it's good for Mac to have a guy

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Speaker 1: That's I'm not even close him twice every day. You

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Speaker 1: you know. So I got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 1: I never thought JP Losman benefited whatsoever from having to

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Speaker 1: I think that with a similar skill set. All right,

1262
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: So now my point isn't Jpta Paul thinks that JP

1263
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: Lossman is the same as Mac Jones Mark, I won't

1264
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: argue with that, but anywhere you didn't think Mac is

1265
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: very good? My point wasn't My point wasn't JP Losman.

1266
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: My point was, I don't think it's beneficial for a

1267
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: young quarterback to have a guy light years ahead of

1268
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: him that he has to chase. I don't think any

1269
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: of the myriad rookie quarterbacks that came into the AFC's

1270
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: benefited at all from having Brady in the division to

1271
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: realize it's how far they had to go. I don't

1272
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing. No, but that was, yeah,

1273
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: if you're at my point, was right, But I yeah,

1274
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: And I just think there's a clarity of what you

1275
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: need to do and who you need to beat and

1276
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: what it's going to take. And and that clarity is

1277
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: starts in the division as it always does. Right all right? Um,

1278
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: I told, I said before the break that we were

1279
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: going to, you know, tackle some of this coaching situation too,

1280
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: and I want to do that before you do that

1281
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: real quick. I just want to set everybody's mind at ease.

1282
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: When Fred mentioned at the top that, as he said

1283
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: to the team this morning, he met us content yea,

1284
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: not the team. Thank you, Paul, Thank you Paul. Before

1285
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: anybody has a heart attack thinking that Fred called a

1286
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: team meeting and Ka Jones and the boys don't listening

1287
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: to Fredante. Dante got something on my team, not the team. Yeah,

1288
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So I do. We do want to talk

1289
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: about coaching, but we have you know, people calling in

1290
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: so I don't know what they want to talk about.

1291
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: We'll see Rashad's in Baltimore. What's up, Rashad, what's up?

1292
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: What's up? Well, I mean we could talk about coaching.

1293
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: I definitely think coach coaching it's an issue because it's

1294
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: like nothing, nothing schematically like changes, and we definitely have

1295
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: to investment speed. We have to get speed everywhere. I'm

1296
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: very interrested. And what we're gonna do this off season

1297
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: for defense, Like, defensively, we're not gonna have you know,

1298
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: all the ogs, you know Slater, he probably gonna you know,

1299
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: high time with mccordy. So we were like, we're gonna, like,

1300
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna need some talent um. What I'm thinking with

1301
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: the twenty first pin, usually at that spot people we

1302
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: even trade back or something like that. So this is

1303
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: one of them. Me is where I'm hoping the Patriots

1304
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: actually trade back, maybe get some more picks and acquire

1305
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: some more talent. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. That's

1306
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: a good point. Thanks for Sean. He wants to trade down.

1307
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't quantity. Yeah, I don't like the idea of

1308
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: like having a pre existing right plan, Like I need

1309
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: to see what's available. I have no idea about this

1310
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: draft at all. I haven't done any Yeah, you know

1311
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: that there's a couple of the you know, the exceptional

1312
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: players that when you watch on Saturday's stand out. But

1313
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the draft right now. Um,

1314
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: but I don't. I would never go into a draft

1315
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: with the blanket they need to trade down. Yeah, no,

1316
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: you can't do that because you just don't know that

1317
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: they need to trade out. There's too many. And Bill

1318
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: tries to tell us there's too many. You know, tell

1319
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: me what every other team's gonna do, and then I'll

1320
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: tell you what we're gonna do. But you don't know,

1321
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: you know, Speaking of which, we are locked in at

1322
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: twenty one, Yes, twenty first overall in the draft. Quite

1323
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: quite a few Patriots been selected at that possession over

1324
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: the years. Chandler Jones Vincibleforchandler, Daniel Graham. Do you just

1325
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: call them Chandler of Chandler. That's one of my ticks, Schandler, Schandler,

1326
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: Blounts make sense. Chandler does not Chandler chand It's too

1327
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: much like shoo. It's it's it's it's the French Canadian enemies.

1328
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: It's not you smoked the gung what you know, you

1329
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: smoke the chronic. I'm sorry at tronicnic right. Greg's in Tennessee.

1330
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: What's up, Greg? Yeah, there's a going guys. Good afternoon.

1331
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: Ye yo, um. I think if I speak for all

1332
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots fans out there, I know it hurts, but

1333
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a band aid on the on the

1334
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: cut here and give you some good wisdom here. But

1335
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: all I gotta say is, you know it ain't over

1336
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: for now. It is, and I understand it hurts, trust me,

1337
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: it hurts. But the way I look at it as

1338
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: we've been spoiled for twenty seasons with Tom Brady. Okay,

1339
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: we've been through his ups and downs. We're gonna go

1340
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: through that with Mac Jones a lot, and that's okay. Well,

1341
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: at the same time, I look at it this way,

1342
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for Mac Jones. I'm thankful for this team.

1343
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: I love this team, and you know what, can wait

1344
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: to see if we get some wide receivers. Maybe who knows,

1345
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: But like I said, this is another rebuild year and

1346
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: that's okay. So thank you guys for having me on

1347
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 1: the show. Sure, thanks great, thank you. Yeah, let's go

1348
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 1: to Sean and Vancouver. Hey Sean, okay if you team. So.

1349
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: The one right thing of twenty twenty was the special teams.

1350
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: They played well and Camcord was the you know, that

1351
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: was his first really well on his own, like he

1352
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: was assistant before, but that he was there. My point is,

1353
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: like people say, well, you know, let's just bring back

1354
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: Joe Judge and that should solve that. I don't know,

1355
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the difference. It was the same players

1356
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: as twenty twenty as there wasn't in twenty twenty one.

1357
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: There it seems like there might be something else going

1358
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: on with special teams. I don't know. They invest a

1359
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: lot in terms of personnel specifically for special teams. What

1360
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: we saw this year, we haven't really seen. This is

1361
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: like the worst we've seen the worst. I don't think

1362
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: they've been anywhere near as good as they traditionally are

1363
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: for a while now. Yeah, but they were really bad.

1364
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: They were really bad. They were pretty good coverage in

1365
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty year. I think the coverage has been leaky.

1366
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: I think they disguised some problems last year when Gunner

1367
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: had the big returns against the Chargers and you know, Bailey,

1368
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't think was as good as he's been even then.

1369
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: You know, right, he had a drip and he he

1370
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: also had an injury early on in this year, And

1371
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that was a factor

1372
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: in the way he performed, but he clearly like wasn't

1373
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: the same player that he had been. Yeah, yeah, I

1374
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: feel like an answer, like, Segain, is there an answer

1375
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 1: this year for twenty twenty two? Is there something that

1376
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: we can help fix this? Like we have a lot

1377
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: of money spent on that area. Yeah, I don't know.

1378
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and it felt like an anomaly. Like in

1379
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: season it felt like and what's up with the special teams?

1380
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: But now at the end, it feels like it was

1381
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: just kind of representative of the whole package this year.

1382
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: Like I'll say, the block punts, I'll put that like,

1383
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: you're not going to get that kind of a problem

1384
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: every year, Well you get three three of them? Yeah,

1385
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, but I agree with Mike. I mean, from

1386
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: the first game to the last game, special teams penalties

1387
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: were a problem pretty much every week. Yeah yeah, yea,

1388
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: thanks Sean, Right, and and it'd be one thing if

1389
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: they didn't, you know, have half dozen guys that were

1390
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: clearly just special teams contributors, but they've put such an

1391
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: emphasis on that part of the game that it's done.

1392
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: That's why I like after that game right now, I'm like,

1393
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: not now, Special teams, I'm not. I don't have time

1394
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: to worry about you right now. I'll get to you this.

1395
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: I still need to do an exhaustive research on that.

1396
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: I want to know how many teams have that many

1397
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: similar amount of guys like Brandon Inge, I don't play

1398
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: a position, they just play special teams. I don't know, Like,

1399
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea how many Slaters Bethel Cody Davis

1400
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: is there are on other Doesn't it seem like a lot? Though,

1401
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't I really don't know. Yeah, we don't. You know,

1402
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: that's a good question. We need to know the facts

1403
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: we can find that on. I'm just saying, what is

1404
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: your gut teller? Does it seem like a lot? I

1405
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I have no idea. I think it seems

1406
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: average to me. I don't know, stepping stepping away. There

1407
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: are guys that I don't know on other teams that

1408
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: generally go down and cover the punts, like I don't

1409
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: know their names from playing defense. Right, So my guess

1410
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: is most teams have about a half dozen of those guys.

1411
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: Shouldn't up. I'm I'm gonna do some crack research over

1412
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: the next two days, So I want it right, I'm

1413
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna do something. I'm gonna do some research on that.

1414
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: Look at the snap counts from the season. Look how

1415
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 1: many guys on each team were solely special teams and

1416
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: get a sense of it. Yeah, yeah, I got you. Uh,

1417
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: let's go to uh speed and Fresno, what's up? Speed?

1418
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: I think maybe greatest accomplishment this season is getting in

1419
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,879
Speaker 1: good with Bill. You know, his confident on the sideline,

1420
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: which I don't think is a good sun. Well, that's

1421
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: a really good point. Should Bill have to spend that

1422
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: much time talking to a special team's coordinator? Did he

1423
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: look annoyed the other night? Was that the other night?

1424
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: Or is that Miami game? Not that they were like walking,

1425
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: they were walking like with him, you know the play

1426
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. First. I remember somebody commenting that they

1427
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: were looked like he was annoyed with Bill walking off

1428
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: the field, walking off the field maybe at behalf. I

1429
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: think it was Miami, but I'm not sure he's annoyed. Yeah,

1430
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: that's different. Yeah, I was thinking, isn't that rich? Yeah, yeah,

1431
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: I am concerned about about Bill still kind of sticking

1432
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: with a guy like that, and maybe wasn't that that

1433
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: productive on the stat because still stubborn, and Bill's old,

1434
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: and there's a lot to do both on offense and

1435
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: defense in terms of rebuilding. I just wonder, I don't

1436
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: really see that there's a realistic timeline for Bill to

1437
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: get back on top, meaning get back to the super Bowl,

1438
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: whateverything that needs to be done. Yeah, all right, there's

1439
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: enough time. Well you mean before he retires, Yeah, I do.

1440
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: I think. I not infinity, Yeah, no, but I think

1441
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: I think I think in a couple of years. Yeah,

1442
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: you could be back there. Sure, So that that means

1443
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: that if that happens, that means Mac made some I think,

1444
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: some impressive strides. And that's like my other thing that

1445
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: I was wondering about. You got because Josh Allen, I

1446
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: think that everybody this consensus that he was given where

1447
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: he was in his rookie year, Josh Allen with his accuracy,

1448
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: it's been pretty surprising and pretty impressive how he's improved

1449
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: and max challenged by contrast, coming from his rookie years

1450
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: to not accuracy so much as the arm strength and

1451
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: the throwing skill set. And I was curious if you

1452
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: guys think that which of those challenges is greater, like

1453
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: what Josh Allen overcame accuracy wise, or what Max has

1454
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: to overcome with his his throwing skill set. I'll pick

1455
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: it off. I think you know Josh is a huge

1456
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: athletically gifted rocket arm. I mean, it was just getting

1457
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: his head decision making and touch h there's the hardest

1458
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: working member of the team that TI. Yeah, I would

1459
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: agree with Mike, and I would just I would just

1460
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: add that I think that the improvement that Alan is

1461
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: making in terms of there's a couple of things. So,

1462
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you can certainly improve your mechanics, and I

1463
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: think he's done that, but I don't think he is

1464
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: like night and day better in terms of his accuracy

1465
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: than he was. What's better is his understanding of what

1466
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: he's doing. Yeah, and the and the schemes that Brian Dable.

1467
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: That's why I would say for for Buffalo, you're gonna

1468
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: have to sweat out another offseason hoping that Dabel doesn't

1469
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: get a head coaching job, because I do think that

1470
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: that's an important part of his development. Now maybe you've

1471
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,719
Speaker 1: gotten him to the point where he can work with somebody,

1472
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: he can work with somebody else, and yeah, he doesn't

1473
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: need to have his handheld. I still think he's the

1474
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of guy that needs to have his handheld a

1475
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: little bit to stay on the straight and narrow. And remember,

1476
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: you know, we're not playing rocketball. But I mean, honestly,

1477
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: if you were asking him to throw like a fifteen

1478
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: yard out, I'm not sure how much better he throws

1479
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: it today than he did as a rookie. The difference

1480
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: is the schemes that he's asked to perform in now

1481
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: he's much more comfortable doing than he was as a rookie.

1482
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: When you know what you're doing and you understand what

1483
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: you're doing, I think he knows defense is better he

1484
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: was looking at, which which of course applies to Mac too.

1485
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: But I just don't think Josh Allen was starting from

1486
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: a place of ridiculous physical talent. That just is, you know,

1487
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: And I do think that the biggest improvement that quarterbacks

1488
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: make is the understanding, you know, the just the way

1489
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: the game operas, the defense and what they're doing in

1490
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 1: the adjustments that they make. I think Mac is already

1491
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: sort of ahead of the curve on that, so I

1492
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: worry about what he has to what he has to

1493
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: improve on. Yeah, the other thing kind of the intangible

1494
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: that you can't say what will happen, But what if

1495
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: Bills do go all the way this year and they

1496
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,959
Speaker 1: win it? You know, dealing with that type of success,

1497
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: A lot of teams haven't been able to. You know,

1498
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: that's something that you don't know, right, but you know,

1499
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: in terms of the AFC, there are going to be

1500
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: some teams that don't go all the way and they'll

1501
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: be I mean I think that they're they're ahead of you,

1502
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: and that's that's the problem. I think that's what Spie

1503
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: is talking about, Like be a couple of years, you know,

1504
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: it could be a while. I would think that something

1505
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 1: would have to happen to drastically have Buffalo, Kansas City, Cincinnati.

1506
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: You know, those kinds of teams really fall off. Tennessee.

1507
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm not as sure about because I think they're kind

1508
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: of tenuous. But I also could see the Chargers going.

1509
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: You know, they could go one of two ways. I

1510
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: think the Raiders, if they can get you know, a

1511
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: good coaching staff in could go one of two ways,

1512
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: there are other teams that I think are dealing with

1513
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: a similar amount or better talent than you have. That's

1514
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: that didn't used to be the case in the AFC.

1515
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: You brought up the Raiders. I just wanted to mention

1516
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: news wise since the game ended. Uh, that's that's one. Yeah,

1517
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: that's the one I was just going to bring up.

1518
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: That happened since Saturday Day's game, the Raiders have asked

1519
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: to interview not only Gerard Mayo for head coach, but

1520
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: Dave Ziegler for their open GM position. So that's probably legit.

1521
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: So let's usually right, Let's just take a moment to

1522
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of update what we know in terms of interview requests.

1523
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: I got a Raiders are Mayo and Elliot Wolf, and

1524
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: Mayo also go one to the Broncos I think tomorrow.

1525
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, also Mayo at Houston, right? Uh oh Houston, Yeah,

1526
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: I get my list here. Yeah, but yeah, Elliot Wolf

1527
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: has interviewed I believe or is going to with the

1528
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: Bears and Vikings. Uh, Ziegler with the Raiders. Um, who

1529
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: did you ask me about Mayo? Oh? Mayo? Yeah? Um?

1530
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: Mayo is that another tick? Um? B Flow interviewed with

1531
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: Houston over the weekend connection there, But yeah, Mayo the Bears,

1532
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: I believe was the other one that he was connected with.

1533
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: What do you think they're asking Mayo about? Yeah? So

1534
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: who runs? Yeah, well Patricia got a job after that.

1535
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the emailers wondered, you know, does

1536
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: this weekend's results affect those guys that are doing interviews.

1537
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it does, but definitely that's a

1538
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: question I asked them. It's like, hey, what happened, Yeah,

1539
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: what happened down the stretch with the Tyeah? Now, I

1540
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: was making a joke about the Patricia thing. Clearly he

1541
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: already had the job before the debacle in the Super

1542
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: Bowl against Philadelphia. But yeah, the other thing you do,

1543
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you're basing it on a game. Yeah you don't,

1544
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: but you you're curious about their explanation. The other thing

1545
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: I found interesting was I saw that the tweet about

1546
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: Mayo interviewing with the Raiders. Well, one of the tweets

1547
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: was from our our old pal the rap the crap Sheet,

1548
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: and he referred to Mayo as the de facto defensive coordinate. Right.

1549
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: I'm like people thought that initially, like a year or

1550
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: two ago, when he and Steve were kind of like

1551
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: both rising up. But then it's sort of swayed to

1552
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: people thinking Steve is this. Well, I've heard everybody refused

1553
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: to Steve as the play Bill from what everything I've heard,

1554
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: Bill is the fact. That's what I think, right, Yeah,

1555
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: but none of us know, and that could be. I

1556
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 1: saw someone refer to Dave Ziegler as the de facto

1557
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: general manager. That's false. Well we know that's not true. Yeah,

1558
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: m Ramon and Tampa. I'm listening to everything you say,

1559
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: and the solution seems obvious, Yet I hear a tremendous

1560
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: amount of hesitation from you. I think we need to

1561
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 1: overhaul the team, and that means Bill and the coaching staff.

1562
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 1: I believe it's a disservice to have Bill continue to

1563
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: coach the team for the sole purpose that he won't

1564
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: be around in the intermediate future. Respect and appreciate Bill

1565
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: a lot more than I did yesteryear, but I think

1566
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: we need a sweeping change. If we're going to have

1567
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: growing pains, I'd rather be with a new regime. So

1568
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: he's calling for Bill to be fighting everybody. If you

1569
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: blow up the head coach, blowing up everything you know,

1570
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: but you know, like I said before, I think I

1571
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: think Tom Brady's the greatest ever yet even he needed help,

1572
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, And I think Bill is the greatest ever,

1573
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: and I think he needs help. Yeah, and i's your

1574
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: big coaching take, right, No, I just know I'm being serious,

1575
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: but I think that he needs to look at the

1576
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: people that are helping him run this team well and

1577
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: at along goes line. Here's a serious question too. Let's

1578
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: assume Mayo gets either the Raiders or the Broncos jobs,

1579
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: the two jobs he's interviewing for, or Houston or Houston. Yeah,

1580
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: let's assume he gets one of these openings. That's that's

1581
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: there right now. Who does he take from this staff?

1582
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: Because usually when a guy leaves a staff to become

1583
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: a head coach, he generally takes at least one or

1584
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: two or three current colleagues. And he doesn't have that

1585
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: type of thing where he has the guys that will

1586
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: come with him because he's never coached before. No, but

1587
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: I mean neither did Brian Flores. And Brian Flores picked

1588
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 1: from this staff when he went to Miami. He managed

1589
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: right right, and Bill had to like Bill had like

1590
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: this pharmacistic staff that he'd like to say, is the

1591
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: defensive QUI like Covington. Yeah, you know he's been around,

1592
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: He's been around for five years, right, Yeah, you know,

1593
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: maybe he wants to take him as a defense you

1594
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: know what, That would be the best thing for Steve Belichick.

1595
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: But no, but yeah, both of them to go to

1596
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: another team and succeed is the best thing that could

1597
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: happen to him. But but what do you do it?

1598
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,799
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, like Eric's point, Brian Flores

1599
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: did it with you know, Josh Boyer and Shadow Shay

1600
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: and those guys. And who's the quarterback? I think he

1601
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: took Patrick Graham too, and then they ended up firing

1602
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: Graham right away, right, and then Graham went to the Giants,

1603
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: right who was jo Chuplinsky? Jerry Schuplinsky. He went to

1604
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: the he ended up going to Miami first, and then

1605
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: he went to the Giants and he But that's I'm

1606
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: just saying, like Bill's staff could be even thinner at

1607
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: the end of this process. If Mayo gets one of

1608
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: these jobs and takes a few of these people, like like, yeah,

1609
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 1: like you named a couple of those guys, not what

1610
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: does he do because a lot of those guys who

1611
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: were on the staff now were long time coaching assistants

1612
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: or you know, yeah they work there anywhere. Who's who's

1613
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: in line there now? Like anywhere? Billy Yates, Vinison Siri,

1614
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: like guys like guys like that, who are I mean

1615
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 1: they're they're on the staff currently, but like who fills

1616
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: in those roles? Well, you might have to this is

1617
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: what eight open coaching vacancies right now or how many

1618
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: open coaching vacancies whatever that number is. That everybody on

1619
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: those staffs are pluckable. You know, they're all hanging dangling

1620
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: in the wind until the next coach. So every every

1621
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,600
Speaker 1: member of those staffs that have open head coach at

1622
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: vacancies are there for the taking. That's a quarter of

1623
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, there's a lot of guys out there.

1624
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: It's like every every year you get halfway through, three

1625
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: quarters of the way through, and everybody's like, not going

1626
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: to be as many openings this year. I mean what

1627
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: there always are always ends up being between six and

1628
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: eight yep. And you know, now, as a first year

1629
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: head coach, can you say no to an offer? I

1630
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: don't think you can. I think you got to take

1631
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: whatever's offered to you. Just to get your foot in

1632
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: the door. And let's say he goes down to Houston, right,

1633
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: so he's gonna have Cassario helping him out. And I'm

1634
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: sure he trusts Cassario, and I'm sure Cassario will have

1635
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: input into hey, why don't you bring this guy in?

1636
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 1: Why don't you bring that guy in? So he'll have

1637
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: help bring recruiting uh down there. But yeah, it's it's

1638
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting if if Mayo or Flores, you know,

1639
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: either one of those pages. I consider those two Patriots guys.

1640
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: That's why if they could get to Shaun Watson to play,

1641
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: Like right, everybody looks like, why would you take the

1642
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: Houston job? Like, well, maybe they have some information, maybe

1643
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: I have a quarter. But with all the talk about

1644
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,799
Speaker 1: Watson wanting to go to Miami, that was when Flores

1645
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: was coaching there. Right now that he's not there, does

1646
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 1: he still want to go? Many conflicting reports about that,

1647
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: like Flora's wanted him, which is part of the rift,

1648
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: But that was part of that. Stephen Ross thought it

1649
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: was unfair the way he was leaving too. Oh yeah,

1650
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: and now people are saying no, in fact, it was

1651
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: Ross that wanted him. Well what what what about this

1652
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: scenario Flores goes to Houston and he says to Ron Mayo,

1653
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,480
Speaker 1: you're my the fact, you're my guy, You're my defensive coordinator,

1654
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 1: nobody else. You come here, you'll have the title yourself

1655
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: and maybe groar and lieu of you know, actually getting

1656
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: an offer for a head coach takes that. I would

1657
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: think he would wait to find out if he's going

1658
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: to be a head coach now, oh yeah, but when

1659
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: he finds out he's not, if he's not that, yeah,

1660
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: I see if he goes for you know, if he

1661
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: goes for a promotion too, right, isn't that the new

1662
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: rule there with right, he doesn't have the title that

1663
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: would be doesn't so it has to be like but

1664
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: it's even if he goes from where he is now

1665
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: to a defensive coordinator, that would qualify. It doesn't have

1666
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: to be a head coach. I don't believe it's because

1667
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: I know, like the head coach like David Culley got

1668
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: the Ravens a couple of compensatory third round picks, which

1669
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: I don't really understand that rule, but yeah whatever, they

1670
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: just love to hand out these compensatory draft picks. But nothing. Yeah,

1671
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't get it, uh wand writes in He's from Stratford.

1672
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: Just had a dream scenario to run by your crew.

1673
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: I really like what I saw from B Flow as

1674
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: a head coach down in Miami. What are your thoughts

1675
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,839
Speaker 1: in a scenario will Bill steps back solely as GM

1676
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: and B Flow takes on the head coaching job. I

1677
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: love to hear your opinion. I don't see it. Would

1678
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: you want to do that? If you Brian Flores, No, no, no,

1679
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: And Bill wasn't built the same. Bill didn't want to

1680
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: do it at the Jets, but whether he was coming

1681
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: back to coach and he was like, say that accurate? Yeh.

1682
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: Bill was asked flat out on Sunday if he was

1683
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: coming back. Yeah. Nobody asks of this team though. I

1684
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: think that was the assumption. I do too, But nobody

1685
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: said those words. What if? What if nobody leaves? Do

1686
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: you need to make some changes? Do you have to

1687
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: make some additions? You know? I mean, I know that

1688
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 1: this has been a little bit of process in terms

1689
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: of filling in some of the gaps that were taken.

1690
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: You know, like what you said when Flora's laugh took

1691
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: a lot of long time assistance guys who had stability.

1692
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: Ivan fears possibly could retire this year as well. Yeah, um,

1693
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, so I just think of how it ended.

1694
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm really not attached to this coaching staff as a whole,

1695
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: and so I think something needs to happen. Everybody says

1696
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Joe Judge, you know, he's just plug him back in,

1697
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 1: like you know, Ay, does he want to just be

1698
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: a special teams coordinator? Right and just go right? That's

1699
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 1: the best he can do and be might be? What

1700
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: you know? I don't and I don't know the details

1701
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,839
Speaker 1: of this, But what is he getting paid from the Giants?

1702
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: And what does he potentially sacrifice? I heard he's yeah, right,

1703
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: So I think he's getting ten million for the next

1704
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: two or three years from the Giants. So he takes

1705
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: a job, that's right, that's gonna be off that. I

1706
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: don't know if he has offset, I don't know. I

1707
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: don't know what the contract called. Right, But most of

1708
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: these contracts, if you take another job, we don't have

1709
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: or we don't have to pay all of it, or

1710
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: we'll only pay the difference. Yeah, you know, that's the

1711
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: whole Ballima thing. But but I even think that they've

1712
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: sort of tied up some of those loose ends that

1713
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: you can't do that anymore. Like if you want to

1714
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: get if you take another job, yeah, you forfeit your salary.

1715
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 1: You're dying. Yeah, you had to pass up ten million

1716
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: for the five Well, I mean that's yeah. Like that's

1717
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 1: why I wonder what Matt how Maddy P's working it

1718
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: because he's got like the Kush job and just kind

1719
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: of the concilia. And that's that's why he doesn't have

1720
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: a title on the staff. It's like an advisor. Um.

1721
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: But back to your question, like what do you do?

1722
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I do think you have to shore up this whole

1723
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator things. I don't want Bill being the defensive coordinator.

1724
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't I want him to be. I want him

1725
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: to be able to like pick and choose what he's

1726
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: doing on a daily basis and where he wants to

1727
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 1: focus his attention, you know, So I need I think

1728
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: I want to you know, uh, experienced defensive coordinator to

1729
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: take that. Of course Bill's gonna have input but that,

1730
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: but spread that input over everything and so that he

1731
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: doesn't during the game have to turn his back on

1732
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 1: the offense and speak to the defense, you know what

1733
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, Yeah, it's just a tough position, because

1734
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: what do you mean, you know, just to throw out

1735
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: like a Dan P's type guy. You come in, you

1736
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: make him DC and you tell Steve and Gerard that

1737
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: they're still the linebackers coaches, And I just how does it?

1738
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: How does he do it? How would he make the move,

1739
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of demote those guys or promote

1740
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: them if he and if he so chose, and how

1741
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: how how much more difficult does it make it that

1742
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: they're related to the head coach? Does I mean it different?

1743
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 1: Does he demote his own son? Does it? Like? How

1744
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: does how does that work? Shaughnessy territory? Right? And so

1745
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: what he wrote about that it's a very fair Oh

1746
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: it is, it is. Did you read it? I did

1747
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: read it, But it's it's a very fair column. But

1748
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: he's not saying that that this is this problem existing.

1749
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: It's a B and C. He's saying, what what a

1750
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: difficult Yes, what a difficult position it is to be in? Yeah,

1751
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean I think I said it on the part.

1752
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's you know, it's it's really hard,

1753
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: especially when it ended like it did. And of course

1754
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: the tough Boston media, who you know, has to rail

1755
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: against every all things Shaughnessy because he's the only one

1756
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: with a backbone that's left. Um, they're all quote, they

1757
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:15,560
Speaker 1: all site all the stats of the defense over the

1758
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: last three years. I think it's worked out okay, Like,

1759
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: oh okay, that that looked because that looked like the

1760
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: second ranked defense in the NFL. I know that's you

1761
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: want to talk about cognitive dissonance with fans like this

1762
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: is like, there's no there's no more extreme example than

1763
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: this defense. You can't figure out that what happened Saturday

1764
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: is closer to reality than number two in the league. Yeah,

1765
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: I can't help you. I can't help you because what

1766
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: happens Saturday is basically what happens when they play a

1767
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 1: team that has an offense. Uh Sebastian in Germany writes

1768
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 1: in in a short sideline video of the miked up Harris,

1769
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: it sounded like he had a goodbye hug with running

1770
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: back coach Ivan Fears. You think that was Ivan's last season?

1771
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: And what do you think will be the impact of

1772
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: him leaving? It could be we're hearing anytime you got

1773
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: a guy it's been around that long. I think any

1774
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: year could be the last year. Yeah, and they did

1775
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: have an assistant running backs coach, so I mean you

1776
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: can't just automatically assume a way with him last year too.

1777
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you had some guys get some experience there.

1778
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: They've been I think, kind of preparing for this eventuality,

1779
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: but some certainly some questions though. And he's just such

1780
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: a I mean talk about a bummer just not having

1781
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: him or I mean he was always whenever the coaches

1782
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: to watch I haven't. I mean that it was always

1783
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: one of the first ones I'd hop into just to

1784
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: hear what he had to say. Always honest and full

1785
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: of stories. And the good thing is if you miss

1786
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: it the first time, you always repeated it. Yeah, two

1787
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: times hight five five pats, five hundred. Let's get back

1788
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 1: to some of these phone callers who are holding on

1789
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 1: Alex Chicago. What's up Alex, Hey, guys, how's it going good? Uh? So,

1790
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to listen to the post game.

1791
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: I didn't I couldn't listen to the first half of

1792
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 1: the podcast. So I'm gonna say some things people I've

1793
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: already said, but I kind of just want to get

1794
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:06,640
Speaker 1: it off my chest. So I'm twenty five, I've been

1795
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan since two thousand and eight, so I'm

1796
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: pretty new. I'm one of the newer fans. I've never

1797
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: seen us ever play a game where it just looked

1798
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: like we quit. I mean, the Chiefs game was bad,

1799
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: the Jets divisional game was pretty bad. There was that

1800
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Ravens game in the late two thousands, but this is

1801
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: the first time I felt like we weren't there. And

1802
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: you can talk, I mean, we could talk all we

1803
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: want about the Bill's talent. They have the better quarterback, yes,

1804
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,560
Speaker 1: but it was shocking to me how sort of apathetic

1805
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: and just how the players just didn't care. And call

1806
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: me a conspiracy theorist, but I think Bill lost the

1807
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,719
Speaker 1: team at some point towards the end of the season.

1808
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the bye week, I

1809
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know if it was somewhere around the cold game,

1810
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: but there was a clear lack of effort, lack of discipline,

1811
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: and just the lack of focus. I felt like this

1812
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: team was playing with end the year, and I just

1813
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 1: want to ask you guys if you felt the same way.

1814
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: I mean, not nothing to do with X as a nose,

1815
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: just a purew looked on the field from an emotional perspective.

1816
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: That's all I got. Okay, I can you know, I

1817
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: know Paul's gonna poo poo me. But if I if

1818
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: I had evidence, if I had reason to say, yeah,

1819
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: I think Bill did lose him, I would say it.

1820
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: I don't see where that is. I I just from

1821
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: from the young guys to the old guys, everybody talked

1822
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: the right talk. I didn't get any sense of yeah,

1823
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not you know, we're getting the wrong

1824
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: messages here. I didn't get a sense of that. Yeah,

1825
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: like if if anything, I got a sense that it

1826
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: was a good locker room. You know. Yeah, I don't

1827
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: know that. And we we talked about the locker room

1828
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: ast tive or six weeks ago. We don't see it,

1829
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I still don't know, you know.

1830
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: But like Mike, I think Mike felt like there was

1831
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, a lack of sort of intensity or yeah, focus,

1832
01:34:58,600 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I thought focus is a way to put it to

1833
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: It was just they didn't look engaged in the games.

1834
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: My personal feeling is, I mean, I know Eugene Phillips

1835
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: talked about the you know, something happened after the bye,

1836
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: and we have to identify that that's something we got

1837
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: to figure out. Um. I think the only thing that

1838
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: changed after the bye was the caliber of competition, and

1839
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: I will stand by that until I see something proven otherwise.

1840
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: I just thought of something that might point to raise

1841
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: your hand. I just thought of something that might point

1842
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: might point to what Alex was saying. Mccordy and maybe

1843
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 1: a couple other defensive guys talked about not getting the

1844
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: right calls, we had the wrong call we had. You know,

1845
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 1: you said that. I think in the first Bills game

1846
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 1: after the Dallas game you said it. Yeah, So maybe

1847
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: maybe that's something there was. Also we brought up last

1848
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: week about van Noy was on somebody's podcast of Chris Long, right, yeah,

1849
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: and when talking about judeon yeah, and you know how

1850
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: he gets I don't know why he gets to go

1851
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: running right, Okay, like all that stuff. There's another one

1852
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: that's a couple of And then there was one other

1853
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: example that came a few weeks ago and now I

1854
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: can't remember. Somebody said something in a press conference that

1855
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: can I gave us a little And again, just because

1856
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: we have some of those examples doesn't make that a

1857
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 1: bad locker room. I don't. I don't know that. I'm

1858
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: not trying to say it doesn't, but I'm just a

1859
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: few weeks ago when Slater said we have to dig

1860
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: in and do X Y Z cliches, We'll see which

1861
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: way we go, Like, I thought that was telling that

1862
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 1: that's not generally about that, That's not generally how they

1863
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: talk about it. We have we have choices, and one

1864
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: choice choices to let it, but it's snowball and and

1865
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: quit or you know the other choices to to to

1866
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: dig in and fight, right, And I know, you know,

1867
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: I know what I feel like that we have in

1868
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: this locker room something like that, But I just thought

1869
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: it was odd that he was openly yeah. Um, but

1870
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: I really think too. And I'm not saying that those

1871
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 1: other things on a factor like Mike's talking about, you know,

1872
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: the focus, I think they were on focus, but I

1873
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: think they were on foc periodically throughout the season. I

1874
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: think that when you put it on coming out flat

1875
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: and Zoe and Beatle did this yesterday on one of

1876
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: my shows, Fred you know, came out flat again, didn't

1877
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: show like I think you're just taking the talent part

1878
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: of it out of you and you're just whistling past

1879
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 1: the graveyard thinking this is on us, right, I don't

1880
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: think this is on it. If you think it's all

1881
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: about just coming out flat then hired Dan Campbell as

1882
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: your head coach and so we can fire him up,

1883
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: that's not what it is. I don't think, you know.

1884
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: And again I'm not telling you that the effort the

1885
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: other night was exemplary. I don't think it was. And

1886
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: I think this is probably as good a time any

1887
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: to get to the stuff that like the fact that

1888
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: Judon barely played was telling to Fred's point, maybe there's

1889
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 1: an injury there that we don't know about. J C. Jackson,

1890
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: I thought made a lot of business choices in that game.

1891
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: I did not think he was engaged at all. First

1892
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: of all, he got beat again by Stefan Diggs. Again,

1893
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: Digs is a great player, I get it, um, but

1894
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: I need I need him to fare better in that

1895
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: matchup when I have all the other issues that I

1896
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 1: have on defense and he he doesn't. UM. But I

1897
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: also thought he shied away from some places the other

1898
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,799
Speaker 1: night on the edges. I thought there was some runs

1899
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 1: that I don't know. You know, I looked at it

1900
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: and I can't lie. I immediately thought this is a

1901
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: guy who's looking at the flock and saying, I'm about

1902
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes away from free agent. And he wasn't always

1903
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: that way and right as we say it, Yeah, look

1904
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: at that. Look at that. That was perfect. That was

1905
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: like I was just programming for NFL netw you wanted

1906
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: no part of making that tackle? Yeah? And and J. C.

1907
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 1: Jackson in the physic was a pretty good guy on

1908
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: the edge. He lowered, take go low whatever, and he

1909
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: was a pretty good open field tackler against the run.

1910
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 1: But did you see that, like he's not even diving nothing. Yeah,

1911
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: that was cold. But do you I mean, might make

1912
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,560
Speaker 1: it too much because if I am like that's the

1913
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 1: first time, like listen, guys going into free agents, I

1914
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: have to say, like I don't want to get hurt

1915
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: in my last game. Talked into my head the other night.

1916
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 1: I think I said it to Hardy. That's a business

1917
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 1: decision right there, He's going to be a free agent

1918
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Yeah, I'm finding it harder and harder to

1919
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: sell myself on how how resigning him makes sense and

1920
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: where the team is right now, where they're headed, and

1921
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: just what he gives you. And you know, I think

1922
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: if if he was a true number one, game changing

1923
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,759
Speaker 1: kind of corner, then I could maybe make the argument.

1924
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 1: But otherwise it just feels like you're trying to hold

1925
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: on to a player who's not going to be here

1926
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: very long, who unless he has like pieces around him,

1927
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of like some of these other guys we're talking about,

1928
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 1: isn't going to be able to just handle all right,

1929
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: just take to take care of that guy. But here's

1930
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, strangely enough, if the Patriots had a lot

1931
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: of cap space, I would say it's easier to say

1932
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 1: goodbye to J. C. Jackson. But where you have I

1933
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: don't know. If mcguil's right, we got about twenty million.

1934
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to just do what

1935
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: you did last year, I don't you know, whatever you

1936
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: think about the cat, you're not gonna have to do

1937
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: what you did last year. You're not going to have

1938
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah right, This is the part that I

1939
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: don't think so, so to me, it makes more because

1940
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 1: of that makes more sense to just give it to jac.

1941
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: Put it all on jac Jackson, you know, and then

1942
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,600
Speaker 1: we'll draft well and we'll fill in other pieces and

1943
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: do what we can this year. Yeah. Um, Like you know,

1944
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird at how it works that way.

1945
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: But like not signing J. C. Jackson isn't going to

1946
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: give you the money to do what you did last

1947
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 1: year or anyway, right, you know, No, that's true. I

1948
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 1: mean I think the question would be spreading it around,

1949
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 1: and you know the question would be how many cornerbacks

1950
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 1: do you need? And also I think just philosophically, do

1951
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 1: they see this, we gotta get our front seventh straight?

1952
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: Or do they think if hey, if we have three

1953
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: good corners and maybe you know, you bring Jonathan Jones

1954
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: back last year of his deal, maybe he's a restructure

1955
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,760
Speaker 1: that could be an area to open up some space too.

1956
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, hey, if we can figure out how to

1957
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: get three man corners again, that our front will look better. Um.

1958
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: But you know, like we talked about with the young

1959
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: pieces upfront, can they turn it to those guys? Do

1960
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: they think those guys can even make the play if

1961
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: you had three Stefan Gilmour's on the back end? I

1962
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: don't know. And then what happens when guys get hurt,

1963
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: Because they're gonna get hurt. So do you have intelligent

1964
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 1: enough guys on the you know, backing up that can

1965
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 1: come in in a pinch and just not screw up.

1966
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: See it, and I hear. I hear everything you guys

1967
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: are saying, and I agree with all your points. But

1968
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: I could be sold on it if I thought I

1969
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: was close. I don't think they're close. I said this

1970
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: before the season, sort of was wondering if I was wrong,

1971
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 1: And you know, for a time in the middle of

1972
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 1: the season, I thought maybe they were getting close. But

1973
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they're that close. I don't think that

1974
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 1: they're built to fight with the big boys yet. Yeah,

1975
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 1: and if you do that, if you invest seventeen plus

1976
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: million in him, that's a big chunk of your off season,

1977
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: and now you're bringing back, at best the same team, Right,

1978
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be worse than that for all the

1979
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: other reasons that Mike has talked about, with all the

1980
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 1: other guys that are probably gonna go on defense, so

1981
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 1: you're probably not going to be as good. And now

1982
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 1: you have this money tied up. Yeah, So if I

1983
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: thought I was closer than they are, I might be

1984
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: able to do it. I think he's a pretty good player.

1985
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,679
Speaker 1: I maintained that all along. I don't think he's worth

1986
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmore money like that kind of a contract, like

1987
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to give him Jalen Ramsey, I'm gonna give

1988
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: him five for the top of the market, and he's

1989
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: going to be one of the three highest paid corners.

1990
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that player now. The numbers in

1991
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 1: the accolades suggest he is, so I could you know,

1992
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:31,759
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I mean, he was a second

1993
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: team All Pro. You know, I definitely have concerns about

1994
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: him post getting post money. I would. I would have

1995
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 1: concerns about that with virtually anybody. But I think especially

1996
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent who's really made all of a

1997
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: sudden going to get paid. He spent four years making nothing. Yeah. Yeah,

1998
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: and there was a reason why he was an undrafted

1999
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 1: free agent, you know, because he's not like he didn't

2000
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: have talent college. Yeah, And I mean, you know, to

2001
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: be fair, I think every time we have a press

2002
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: conference with jac it's just I don't know if he's

2003
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: long for here. The way It's like, I love listening

2004
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: to guys say stupid stuff. He makes me uncomfortable at times.

2005
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, say that William and Phillham, what's up, William?

2006
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: William and William good job Hardy. Yeah, well, yeah, all right,

2007
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 1: call back. I guess, Uh, Calvin and Colorado, what's up? Calvin? Hey, Hey,

2008
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 1: how are you guys doing. We're getting there. We're getting there.

2009
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I hear that first. I just want to stay him

2010
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: first time caller. Um, I did try to email before

2011
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: the season started. This was back in preseason. So I

2012
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 1: guess my question is geared towards that time. UM. I

2013
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: guess that question would be UM. So I realized that

2014
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 1: d Anthony Thomas, you know when him and the chief

2015
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: were on the Chiefs, you know, he was a breakout receiver. UM,

2016
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 1: great hand. He actually was there punded turn and kick

2017
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: return a return man. I was just wondering what would

2018
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: your thoughts be on Do you think that he can

2019
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: be a good acclimation to the Patriots. I feel like

2020
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: he would be able to take the top off easily.

2021
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 1: You know, he has a good footwork as well. I

2022
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 1: think he would be a great addition the Yeah, not

2023
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 1: familiar with his work. Yeah, he's just he's a little

2024
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 1: stat back. I mean he's he's had some Yeah, he's

2025
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 1: had some success. No, I don't think he's a difference

2026
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:31,680
Speaker 1: making player, right. I think he's a Niche sort of

2027
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: special team like jack of all trades kind of guy.

2028
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,839
Speaker 1: He could play. I mean, he has he has ability,

2029
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: but I don't think no, I don't think he's a

2030
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 1: difference maker. But I do think you've got that kind

2031
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 1: of role waiting. You know, I don't know what they're

2032
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 1: gonna do with Gunner. He's a restricted free agent. We're

2033
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,679
Speaker 1: talking about that. I'd rather have to Anthony Thomas than Gunner,

2034
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, I was gonna say that we

2035
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: could replace Gunner with the Anthony Tamas. You know, yeah,

2036
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: that would be a good fit because he is still

2037
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: still currently a free agent. Um he was signed with

2038
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 1: the Ravens but opted out and still a free agent

2039
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 1: since then. Ye put him on the list. Thanks Calvin,

2040
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: you spring up Gunner. He was I think he'll he'll

2041
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 1: be thirty. Gunna was probably my biggest singing miss this year. Yeah,

2042
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 1: I honestly thought he would contribute in the passing game.

2043
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: You're not alone. I'm out there with you. I thought

2044
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: he would be surprised that you well, I mean, I

2045
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 1: guess it's consistent because you tend to go by what

2046
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 1: you what the coaches do, just that you know, by

2047
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: right there, let me say this, I'm surprised that you

2048
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: would like just re lance like that you were wrong.

2049
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 1: You've never been proven wrong. No, I have. He he

2050
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: doesn't play, he goes out there, he drops the ball,

2051
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: he commits a penalty, and then he take him right.

2052
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 1: You can just tell they're just like. He hasn't had

2053
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 1: enough chances for me to say that. Okay, I think

2054
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,600
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't think he's that good. I

2055
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: think that's me. Yeah, I think he's I think obviously, yes,

2056
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: he's on a short leash. But I think the coaches

2057
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: feel every time we put you in has been has

2058
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 1: it been any better? Every time they put in to

2059
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: kill harry In? But he does he can block, and

2060
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know people keep telling me that I

2061
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: haven't seen but on a team that feels like greater

2062
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 1: of the crackback block when they don't know he's he's

2063
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: better than that. He's better than that. You know so,

2064
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: But I just think that you need to do things.

2065
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Two things, get open and catch the ball. I think

2066
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: Gunner can get open. He's got that quickness in short

2067
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 1: space where he should be able to get open, but

2068
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 1: he can't catch. He still scares the crap out of me.

2069
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Every time he returns his decision making, he puts himself

2070
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 1: and the ball in harm's way virtually every single return.

2071
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 1: I hate to admit that's why. And then you know,

2072
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 1: just like that, I mean, I'm fascinated by the actual

2073
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 1: mechanism of him because it's he's a restrictive free agent,

2074
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: so I mean you literally have to say first round,

2075
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: second round, or right a first refusal with him, so

2076
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, like Jacob is going to get

2077
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: that right. So it's just it's just an interesting way

2078
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 1: to kind of signal how you feel about a player.

2079
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: But I feel like, on the surface, we want our fast,

2080
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 1: little slot guy in the draft punt returner too, Like

2081
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: like it's just it's right there for the taking that

2082
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: you could get a guy to kind of fill those

2083
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 1: roles potentially maybe then on both with the restricted free agents,

2084
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 1: maybe Myers gets a second. I think Myers second, but

2085
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: the other guys that'd be the lowest. I don't know

2086
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 1: about torres Hall just because he didn't play it all

2087
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: this year. I he's not my radar. Christian Wolkers on

2088
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 1: the huh they signed him to a future one of

2089
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 1: a half dozen guys. Um uh? From Chicago right in

2090
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: Prone says, I don't know whether you discuss this topic

2091
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: or not watching Cowboys game, the foolishness of that team

2092
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: with that much talent. In the Coaching Malpractice by Mike McCarthy,

2093
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 1: I found out that the Patriots fans are so lucky

2094
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 1: to have Bill and Brady together for twenty years and

2095
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: win six championships. They needed each other, and I think

2096
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 1: Brady bailed out Bill in many games over the years,

2097
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: and Bill bailed out Brady too, And we both started

2098
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 1: their career together relatively and studied from each other and

2099
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 1: coexisted with each other even with their big egos. I

2100
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: think Mac doesn't have that luxury because I think Bill

2101
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: will stay around for that winning record, and I don't think.

2102
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens after he leaves. But man,

2103
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: they were both special together, Yes they were. Yeah. How

2104
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: many more games does Bill need to get the all

2105
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 1: time record? It's at least four seasons, right, and you

2106
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 1: and he has to win like ten games at least

2107
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 1: every season, doesn't he something like that? Yeah, that's asking

2108
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 1: a lot. He needs like thirty something game. He might

2109
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 1: not get it thirty seven. People say he's going to

2110
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,679
Speaker 1: coach until he gets the record. He might not get it. Yeah,

2111
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 1: time might run out. Why are they going to fire him? Well,

2112
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean if if, if, if it's as bad as

2113
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 1: we think it is right now, and they don't make Yeah,

2114
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be winning ten games every year, right,

2115
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 1: so the longer we wait a minute, wait a minute now, see,

2116
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,400
Speaker 1: Like I like to position myself as the most negative guy.

2117
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: But they did just win ten games. Oh, I know, right,

2118
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 1: So you think they're a lock to do that again

2119
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:13,040
Speaker 1: next year? The exact number ten. No, I don't think

2120
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: that's a lock, but double digits. What I think is

2121
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 1: a lock is it's not going to be like less

2122
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 1: than eight. Like, I don't see them bottoming out to

2123
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: like six and eleven. I don't see. I don't see

2124
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 1: that happening. Wow. I mean, I'm I just want to

2125
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 1: like I want to paint a picture of the room.

2126
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: I got hit with a bunch of like yeah, yeah,

2127
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't see. I think I got a lot of

2128
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:38,560
Speaker 1: like hit to resignation phase from Fred that I'm not

2129
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: really you know, I hope you're right, But I think

2130
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 1: we just went through an hour in forty nine minutes

2131
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 1: of boy, they need to really make a lot of change, right,

2132
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 1: But I think they need a lot of changes to

2133
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 1: get to the top. No, but not to stay away

2134
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,720
Speaker 1: from the bottom. Well, and evidently I was right. Sometimes

2135
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: when you make a lot of changes, you have to

2136
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 1: take a couple of steps backwards to boat. I think

2137
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 1: that and maybe that's the maybe next year, and let's listen,

2138
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: everyone's like, ah, don't freak out, but it could be

2139
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: a you know, step back, yere taking a step back. Yes,

2140
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 1: but I can't see them going like six and eleven.

2141
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 1: We'll step back step it's like, you know, eight seven eight.

2142
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: But but but the point is what Eric's making is, Yeah,

2143
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:23,640
Speaker 1: if you win ten games every year, you can do

2144
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 1: it in three or four years. But if you don't,

2145
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna write that a little longer. He's gonna be

2146
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: seventy in three months, right, eighty six? Bill out. He

2147
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 1: needs one win this season to get it fine, right, Yeah,

2148
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,679
Speaker 1: it comes out in his walker. He's gonna be like Gordy.

2149
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: How he's gonna be like coming in when he's nine.

2150
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 1: I'll coach this game. He's in better shape than I

2151
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 1: and I can tell you that. Well, I think to

2152
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 1: your point, Fred, that the question might philosophically be, is

2153
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:49,520
Speaker 1: it can Mac and the offense improve enough to offset

2154
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: the changes that come on defense? And can you keep

2155
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 1: up the best laid plans this year where hey, veteran

2156
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: defense will bring these guys back. They got championship degree.

2157
01:50:57,320 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 1: They'll hold the fort while MAC develops and then it'll

2158
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 1: all meet the didn't work. That defense is done. You

2159
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 1: gotta get a new You gotta get a new defense,

2160
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 1: and you gotta get MAC to the next level to

2161
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,839
Speaker 1: be able to, you know, have some kind of marginal

2162
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 1: error next year and when the other team doesn't poop them.

2163
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:14,560
Speaker 1: And I know you can't judge the schedule until the

2164
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 1: end of the season, but right now, aren't they playing

2165
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:21,400
Speaker 1: the AFC West here? Yeah, they're playing the Raid. They

2166
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,559
Speaker 1: got a real tough away, real tough away s playing

2167
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 1: the AC the Bills and the NFC North. Yeah, playoff

2168
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 1: teams Packers, Cardinals, Raiders, Steelers. These are all road games,

2169
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean tough, tough road The only playoff teams coming

2170
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 1: here are the Bills and the Bengals. But but the

2171
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: road teams, it's the schedule is tough next yeah, So

2172
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, so you' I'm gonna I'm gonna prepare you

2173
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 1: for next year. It's gonna be like, what's the problem

2174
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: on the road team? They play well at home, right,

2175
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 1: but they can't seem to win on the Just prepare yourself. Hey,

2176
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm excited though, Cincinnati here, that'll be That'll be fine

2177
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 1: next year. That would be fun. M yeah, fun ja

2178
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: yeah fun. Most interesting intersting Patriots fan in the world,

2179
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 1: James Pedic writes in theoretical question, and I'm glad it's

2180
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 1: just theoretical, although I'd never do it. What is a Bill?

2181
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 1: What is Bill's trade value? Would it only be to

2182
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 1: the Giants? No? I think I think other teams interested Bill.

2183
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,680
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick would never allow and I'm sure it's in

2184
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 1: his contract that he can't be traded. Yeah, you know,

2185
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:33,560
Speaker 1: and I know it is theoretical, but I think that

2186
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 1: if I was a team and the Patriots were willing,

2187
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 1: I'd give up three first round picks for Bill bellis team,

2188
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 1: any team, okay, you're crazy, any team, you're right, any

2189
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: team that's looking for a head coach. Yeah, I'd give

2190
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 1: up three first round picks for him. But the talented

2191
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 1: team correct, Like if I have to, like, if I'm Jacksonville, right,

2192
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: so I got to play with the worst roster in football,

2193
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 1: and you and I gotta I have no first round picks,

2194
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 1: so I can be I don't know, passable for the

2195
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 1: next three years, and then he's gonna retire no chance

2196
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: giving up three first round picks. How about the Cowboys?

2197
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 1: Now that one's that I knew up three first round picks,

2198
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,560
Speaker 1: I'll have a ready made team that I need a

2199
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: coach to stabilize this. Yep, sign me up for that one.

2200
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,920
Speaker 1: But I set that wouldn't be interested in giving up

2201
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 1: three first round picks right a head coach seventy I think,

2202
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:31,040
Speaker 1: I think to stabilize my organization, and maybe there's the

2203
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 1: maybe there's the contingent of the deal that you're gonna

2204
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: help me find the next guy after you, like you're

2205
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,839
Speaker 1: coming in, You're gonna stabilize, You're gonna set the culture,

2206
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna set the process, you know in the systems,

2207
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 1: and then you'll move on and help me right for

2208
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 1: the next phase. Like maybe Steve comes with you, he

2209
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 1: takes over his head. But but I also think I

2210
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 1: also think that I don't. I don't feel there's very

2211
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: many scenarios that Bill would want to go to because

2212
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: I think he's got it really good here. Yeah, I

2213
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 1: know Robert and Jonathan you know, And he said this

2214
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 1: many times, and he just said it on set, I

2215
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 1: think on Sunday. You know the structure here that I

2216
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 1: get from Robert and Jonathan Craft and they give us

2217
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,600
Speaker 1: whatever we need to field a competitive team. I'm paraphrasing,

2218
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 1: but that was the message that he's sending. He has

2219
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 1: total control of everything. You don't just snap your fingers

2220
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: and get total control of everything anyway you go. Now,

2221
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe Dallas, maybe Jerry Jones would say, I know, but

2222
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 1: maybe he would say for him, for him, yeah, I'll

2223
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 1: acquies just like he did for Post. He wouldn't be

2224
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 1: able to help himself as soon as they start awaiting

2225
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 1: its term down there in the locker room giving his

2226
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 1: GM postgame press cut. But it's a short term thing,

2227
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 1: like I only need him to come in and get

2228
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: me back to the super Bowl. Yeah, and then I

2229
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 1: could I can meddle again right with my with my

2230
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 1: whole host. I I remember that game in Dallas. We

2231
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 1: beat them, and that's back when I was covering the

2232
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 1: team and I was in the locker room after the

2233
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 1: game and there's Jerry in the middle of the locker

2234
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 1: Jerry speak, I believe after everything, I'm like, this is

2235
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. Yeah, he doesn't every game. Yeah, well,

2236
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: press conference, Yeah, another call. Nathan's in California. What's up, Nathan. Hey, guys, Hey,

2237
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna talk about the coaching, but after that

2238
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 1: win lost talk, I'll bring that up. I used, So

2239
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 1: we've worked on the season. Right before the seven game

2240
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 1: win streets, look look like crap. After the seven game

2241
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 1: win street, we look like crap. Um. You know, if

2242
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 1: we don't win those seven games, but those games don't

2243
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 1: go away, you know, not as Windy and Buffalo or uh,

2244
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 1: you know Clevelands actually healthy. Um, Tennessee's healthy. Our season

2245
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 1: looks completely different. You know, we're not looking at Herbert

2246
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 1: doesn't throw a pick six in the fourth quarters. Yeah,

2247
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 1: that's true. But I also think there was some close

2248
01:55:56,480 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 1: losses Chat. I think theoretically even here, no, like, I

2249
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 1: don't think there were games that the Patriots should have won.

2250
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to say ad wins, but I'm saying, theoretically,

2251
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: next year, with some more experience and a quarterback that's

2252
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 1: been through it a little bit, maybe you find a

2253
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 1: way to get over the hump and one or two

2254
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: of those close games. Yeah, that's that's what you're hoping

2255
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 1: for for next year. Yeah, and it's and it's like

2256
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: it's less than thirty games that he needs, Like, I think,

2257
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 1: do you think it's less than thirty? I thought it

2258
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: was like at some point three forty seven, right, that's right.

2259
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I thought gotta be like three twenty years. I thought

2260
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 1: at some point this season it was at thirty eight.

2261
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:37,760
Speaker 1: But I could be wrong. So they won ten. No, no, no,

2262
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 1: that's the season. It was thirty. I think he's I

2263
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 1: think he's inside the thirty games. I mean, I don't

2264
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 1: know exactly. Then it's only three years at the most.

2265
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 1: It was a way we could look at it. Now

2266
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't get him like now he needs thirty he

2267
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 1: needs thirty wins. Well, now it's three years at the most.

2268
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 1: Well you just said there was no way he's gonna

2269
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,600
Speaker 1: be winning ten games. Why is it? Thirstead it's inside

2270
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 1: at thirty. So if you get seven, you know it.

2271
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 1: That's twenty one. So how far inside of thirty are you?

2272
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Be in a fifth season,

2273
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 1: I would say twenty seven or twenty eight wins he

2274
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 1: probably needs somewhere in that. Yeah. Of course, not knowing

2275
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 1: the numbers, any of the numbers correctly, right, I don't

2276
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:17,840
Speaker 1: know them off the top of my head. But I

2277
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: know he's I know he's over three. I know he's

2278
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 1: over three. I think he's over three twenty. I think

2279
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,360
Speaker 1: he's like, we need to get the numbers so that

2280
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:28,440
Speaker 1: we can talk. You have the media, so we can

2281
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 1: talk intelligently. Can you look at the melayoffs? That's right,

2282
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 1: Mooding playoffs right now. Okay, so that's twenty six games

2283
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:43,120
Speaker 1: to tie, twenty seven nine wins a season for three years.

2284
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 1: So now that's three. That's doable. Okayin off nine, I

2285
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 1: feel good. Yeah, because you can have we can have

2286
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 1: one ten, you can have one eight, So you can

2287
01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 1: take a step fash right, you can still take that

2288
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 1: step back. I think it will probably be um in

2289
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: in three, you know, maybe more likely four, but it

2290
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:10,600
Speaker 1: should be in that that neighborhood. Yeah. But I remember

2291
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 1: having this talk with with Felger in the seven game

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Speaker 1: winning streak, and he goes, so you don't you don't

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Speaker 1: think they're back? I go, well, what do you mean back?

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Speaker 1: I go? I go. Can I see who's on the

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Speaker 1: team next year? Before I just start? He goes where

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Speaker 1: you win? He goes, you get, He goes, you're with

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Speaker 1: the last four games this year, and then let's not

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Speaker 1: even not even count so that's thirteen, right. He goes,

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Speaker 1: spend thirteen next year, thirteen year old? Two years he goes,

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Speaker 1: not even counting playoffs. And I'm like, before I just

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Speaker 1: start racking up thirteen win seasons? Can I see who's

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Speaker 1: on the team right? Oh? You know, so you don't

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Speaker 1: think they're back? And they went one in five after

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Speaker 1: and that process for next year starts. Now. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back Thursday. Um a John Rook show tomorrow tomorrow at two,

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Speaker 1: his last of the season. I just want to apologize.

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Speaker 1: I won't be here on Thursday. I have have to

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Speaker 1: go see a doctor jellyfinger. Oh so that sounds so

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Speaker 1: excited about it. I am colonoscopy. Okay, So I will

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Speaker 1: leave the pics with you guys, dressed to impress. All right,

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