1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. This East Bloomberg sound on. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: The parties are divided in terms of the effect that 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: the stimulus is going to have. This inflation debate has 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: really been heating up the effect of what the Biden 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: administration is spending on political capital. Bloomberg send on the insiders, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: the influencers, the insides, a group of centrips are the 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: key senators to watch. Joe Biden gives number one focus 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: in addition to the COVID health crisis is jobs. I 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: don't quickly have red roads and blue roads, and that's 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: the way we're looking at this Schoomberg Sound on with 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: Kevin Silli on Bloomberg Radio. President Biden gets ready to 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: address the nation after stimulus gets a green light? But 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: is it a green light for infrastructure? And an exclusive 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: conversation with Congressman Michael Waltz, Republican from Florida. First though, 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: the big story in a surprise move, President Biden signed 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: is mat said COVID relief bill into law today, a 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: day earlier than plan. Not a single Republican and Congress 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: voted for the measure. At the bill signing in the 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: Oval Office, the President had this to say, he says 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: the public is on his side. Here's the sound on 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: this from President Biden. It's clear that an overwhelming percentage 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: of the American people, Democrats, Independence or Republican friends have 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: made it clear. The people out there made it clearly 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: strongly support the American Rescue Plan. And I believe this 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: is and most people I think do as well. This 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: historic legislation is about rebuilding the backbone of this country 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: and giving people in this nation working people, middle class folks. 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: People have built the country of fighting chance. Meanwhile, Speaker 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: of the House Nancy Pelosi says that they didn't like 30 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: the price tage. Republicans didn't like the price tag of 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: the stimulus and claim most of the provisions in the 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: bill aren't going to fund efforts to curb the pandemic. 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: She responded to the Republican criticism with the following, we 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: do not prioritize our values and how we can get 35 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: make a difference in the lives of American people. Uh 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: to be attuned to the bankruptcy of ideas that the 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Republicans have. Earlier today, I spoke with Republican Florida Congress 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: and Michael Waltz, who responded to such criticism. Well, look 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: what I think, what it would have been a good 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: approach is to spend the trillion dollars that's sitting there 41 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: already still unspent. Let's see what effect that has on 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: the economy. But at the end of the day, if 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: you want to open the economy, or if you want 44 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: to stimulate the economy, open up. I think Florida we've 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: done a great job of walking that fine line. Our 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: unemployment rate in the States now dropped to five point 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: one per cent uh. And it just it's really kind 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: of jaw dropping to me that we've spent now more 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: trying to deal with COVID uh than we spent on 50 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: World War two. Uh. And it's law er than the 51 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: GDP of any country in the world except the US 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and China. I mean, it's really, really, truly is incredible. 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Then how much pork, how much non COVID related expenses 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: or are thrown into this package. So so so many small 55 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: businesses have ad ad plexiglass add signage and people aren't 56 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: even going back into the office. So I mean, if 57 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: you're a small business owner, how do you navigate and 58 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: weather that's storm? Well, and that's the portions of COVID 59 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: that I've fully supported the paycheck Protection program. I mean, 60 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: the average loans for the program have been a hundred 61 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: fifty thousand or less that have gone to the very 62 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: smallest of the businesses. But the focus there has been 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: keeping people on business payrolls, not on unemployment payroll And 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from business after business is they actually 65 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: things are starting to open up again. They can't hire 66 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: people back because they're making more on unemployment with the 67 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: federal supplement that this bill just extended now till the fall, 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: then they are on the job. And so it's actually 69 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: this package is going to slow down our growth rather 70 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: than accelerate it. In many ways. That's a GDP ratio 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: over it's it's and now we talked about infrastructure spending 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: trillions more dollars. It's not that people don't want it, 73 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: it's how do you finance it with such a uncertain 74 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: well and the big and the big winner now continues 75 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: to be China. Now, I mean, they unleashed this virus 76 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: on the world, clearly covered it up, arresting journalists, resting doctors, 77 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: not sharing data with the with the w h O, 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: their military planners actually plan on the United States going 79 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: bankrupt and not being able to afford to compete with them, 80 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: much like what happened in the Soviet Union, or much 81 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: like happened in the United Kingdom after World War Two, 82 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: so that they then make their moves to become the 83 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: dominant world power. So we're actually spending ourselves into oblivion, 84 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: into a position where we can't compete on research and development, 85 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: we can't continue to build our infrastructure because we can't 86 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 1: borrow forever, and we can't compete militarily at China, winner 87 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: winner all around. You know, we've got a sortage in 88 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: the semi supply conductor chip and it's impacted a lot 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: of manufacturing drops domestically, not just from a national security perspective. 90 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: So how Congressman Walt's, how can Congress facilitate to number one, 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: address that chips supply shortage, but also to diversify some 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: of the economic entanglements away from China and maybe into Japan, 93 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: maybe into other marks. So there's two pieces, right, there's 94 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: the manufacturing the chips, but then critically it's the critical 95 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: rare earth minerals. And then we're now I got a 96 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: lot of un but we're a hundred percent reliant for 97 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: half of the rare earth minerals that we need to 98 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: fund our entire or to to build our entire economy, 99 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: to build the manufacturing of electronics, the whole piece. I 100 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: was just in hearing this morning, where to or excuse me, 101 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: five out of the sixth um critical supply chain categories, 102 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: we have a massive reliance not just on overseas supplies, 103 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: but on China itself. We have to bring that manufacturing 104 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: back home, and if we can't, then it needs to 105 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: be near shore two places like India, Australia, Malaysia where 106 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: we can depend on those support You're on different sides 107 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: of the aisle. But John Gara Mendy, Congressman, he's saying 108 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: the same things, and he said, there's a lot of 109 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: minerals here in the United States, but I mean Australia, Perth, Australia, 110 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: they have a lot of men. But I would challenge 111 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: Represented Gara Mendy then to work with us on some 112 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: of the environmental regulations that just don't make sense state, local, 113 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: and federal that are so overlapping and so onerous. The 114 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: average permitting time for rare earth mind in the United 115 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: States seven to ten years in Australia. It's two to four. 116 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: So right, we all say that we need to bring 117 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: it back home, but we need to get government out 118 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: of the way in a responsible way, in a balanced way, 119 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: uh and streamline some of those regulations. Did you see 120 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: this article speaking at China, I don't know if you 121 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: if you if you saw this, but boycott's don't work. 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: US Olympic Committee rejects calls to shun the Beijing two Games. 123 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: That's a newsweek. I mean, you've been really at the 124 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: forefront of this in the in the Republican Caucus, saying 125 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: there's human rights abuses, there's the issue of transparency regardless 126 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: of virus. Well, what's going on and what's going on 127 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: in Western China right now with the Chinese Communist Party 128 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: isn't just human rights abuses, it's genocide both The current 129 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Tony Blincoln agrees, the former Secretary of 130 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: State agreed. Mass internment, mass uh, slave labor, mass rate 131 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: and and torture is going on out there. How can 132 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: we ask our athletes to compromise their values while that's 133 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: actually going on? And you know, my question of corporate America, 134 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: of Airbnb, of Nike, of NBC who will be broadcasting 135 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: the games. You know, they are shouting from the of 136 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: tops about social justice here in the United States, but 137 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't apply when they're about to make billions off 138 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: of these games. Uh. In China, as genocide is actively 139 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: going on. Is they're stamping out freedoms in Hong Kong 140 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: as two million or dead around the world from the 141 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: coronavirus that they didn't cooperate with the rest of the 142 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: world on. So that double standard, I think needs to 143 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: be called out. And to the article that they don't work, 144 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: Let's look at the times we didn't do Boycott's and 145 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: maybe we should have. Look at what Germany did after 146 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirty six games. Look at this Russia who 147 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: invaded Primea two months after the Sochi Games, and look 148 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: at all that China's done after the two thousand eight Games. 149 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: How can we give them that global platform to whitewash 150 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: everything they've done and further their propaganda and then what's 151 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: next Taiwan? Uh? If you follow the history of what 152 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: happens after you give authoritarian regimes the legitimacy and the 153 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: spotlight that comes with the games. Secretary of State Tonio 154 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: Lincoln has headed to Alaska next week. I believe to 155 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: meet with some counterparts in China. What do you hope, 156 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: he says, And I want to be very clear one 157 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: more thing on the Games. The preference always has been 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: to move them out of Beijing. We've been asking the IOC, 159 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: the International Olympic Committee, to do that for over a year, 160 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: or delay them. Tokyo just delayed their summer games because 161 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: of COVID. I think we can delay them a year, 162 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: rebid them, and get them out of a regime that 163 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: is actually committing genocide as we speak. I certainly hope 164 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: that b. Lincoln raises this with his Chinese counterparts. I 165 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: hope he takes a tough stand to get us back 166 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: to fair trade. That trade and balance is still way 167 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: out of whack, and we need to continue that. And 168 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: then we have to continue to take tougher measures on 169 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: our ip theft. The Chinese are vacuuming up our intellectual 170 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: property and our technological edge. Look, at the end of 171 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: the day, America needs to wake up to the fact 172 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: that Chinese Communist Party is in a cold war with 173 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: the United States UH, and we're falling behind. They are 174 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: launching ahead and artificial intelligence robotics and all kinds of 175 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: other critical technologies because they're stealing the way to the top. 176 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: And you want to ask you quickly about Iran because 177 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: you helped orchestrate a letter to Secretary B. Lincoln addressing 178 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: the with a hundred and forty members of Congress, mind you, 179 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: addressing the concerns about Iran and the steps that they've 180 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: taken in recent years. What do you This is much 181 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: more bipartisan, I think than people necessarily realized that seventy 182 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: Democrats joined us in saying any future deal has to 183 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: encompass their support of terrorism, their ballistic missile program, the 184 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: fact that Iran right now as we speak, or holding 185 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: Americans hostage unjustly UH, and that we have to have 186 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: a real inspection regime, not one where the inspectors give 187 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: UH the the Ayatollahs a month's notice and can only 188 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: visit sites that they dictate. So I think that was 189 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: really an important message from seventy Democrats to join seventy 190 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: Republicans to say that deal needs to be much broader 191 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: and much tougher going forward in the future. And I 192 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: think the way we get there is to keep the 193 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: maximum pressure campaign in place. First screen moret and Congress 194 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: your your district borders. I think Cape Canaveral. Maybe I'll 195 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: interview you in outer space. Green brand space man. And 196 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: we're looking to privatize, as you know that, the National 197 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: Space Station and make it self sustainable. I mean it's 198 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: like a thread. Christine Barada or executive producers, second day 199 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: in a row. Now I've said, send me out of space. 200 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: Christine Brovada also wants to go to space, she told me. 201 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: But you know, who knows. Maybe maybe we'll do sounds 202 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: on in space. It's got a nice ring to it, 203 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: you know. Send me up. That was Congressman Congressman Michael 204 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: Walt's Republican from Florida. That was his staff cellphone for 205 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: the record, not so really, alright, much more coming up next. 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 207 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Surley on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin Sirelli, Chief Washington correspondent 208 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio, accompanied by Bloomberg 209 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: Politics contributor Jennie shan Zeno and Mac Gorman, vice president 210 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: at Targeted Victory and former NRCC communications director. Let's continue 211 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: to talk about the big store to night, President Biden, 212 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be delivering and addressed this evening and 213 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: continuing to tout the COVID relief bill that will be 214 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: brought to you carried here live on Bloomberg Radio at 215 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: eight thirty pm New York Time. Let's take a listen 216 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: to what President Biden had to say about the American 217 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: Rescue Plan, and we have sounds on this from President Biden. 218 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: Here is percentage of the American people, Democrats, Independence, Republican 219 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: friends have made it clear. The people out there made 220 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: it clearly strongly support the Americans Key plan. And I 221 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: believe this is and most people I think do as well. 222 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: This historic legislation is about rebuilding the backbone of this 223 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: country and giving people in this nation working people, middle 224 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: class folks, people who built the country you're fighting chance. 225 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: Congressman Kevin McCarthy right in on the stimulus bill and 226 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: he says, it's not about the virus. Here's the sound 227 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: on this from Leader McCarthy. This isn't about the virus. 228 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Do you know less than nine percent is used to 229 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: defeat the virus. It doesn't prioritize school openings, Most of 230 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: the money for schools doesn't even go out till every 231 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: time we've been able to do a bipartisan bill. What 232 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: has changed administration and now it's going to be singly 233 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: one way. You know, every time that happens, whatever piece 234 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: of legislation is made probably has some problems in it, 235 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: and that meanwhile, President Biden sets a hit the campaign trail, 236 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: not for re election, maybe he will, maybe he won't, 237 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: we don't know, but to sell the plan to the 238 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: American people. White House Press Secretary Jen Saki had this 239 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: to say, here's the sound on that. He of course 240 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: talked about the importance of delivering on the promise of 241 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: getting every American the two thousand dollar checks when he 242 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: campaigned in Georgia in December. So that's a place where 243 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: that message really resonated, of course, with the people of 244 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: the state. Let's bring into this conversation, Gina Shnzano, Genie, 245 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: I find it fascinating up on Capitol Hill. I was 246 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: in the halls of Congress, as they say earlier today, 247 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: and you know, Republicans are really saying this bill has 248 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: nothing to do with COVID the majority of it. They're 249 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: frustrated with that, and then they're they're they're scratching their 250 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: heads and they're thinking, wait a minute, now, you let's 251 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: talk about infrastructure. It's fascinating because even in your interview 252 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: with Representative Walt, I was just amazed because they keep 253 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: talking about pork in the packet and it's it's the same. 254 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: And then Gerald Master and the Toss was telling me 255 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: I heard that that was just for you, Like I 256 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: want a cheese steak, Dad, give me a cheese steak ahead, No, 257 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Carol won't allow it. I wonder if he's listening, Dad, 258 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: if you're listening, send me a cheese steak. Goad, Oh, 259 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: tell me if he does. But they're saying, you know 260 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: of this is nothing to do with COVID, and that 261 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: seems to be one line and they're having real trouble 262 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: breaking through with that message. But then when I was 263 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: listening to your interview with Walt's, he also added something 264 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: that I do think is potentially going to resonate as 265 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: we moved to two, and that is the fact we 266 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: have spent so much that we are no longer competitive 267 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: with China. We can't compete. To your point on infrastructure, 268 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: military research and development. You mentioned the shortage of chips, 269 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: and that's where I think Republicans may be headed because 270 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: to me, this pork message is not playing, but that 271 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: message may may resonate with people all Arguably a bill 272 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: that six the American support. At this point, it's going 273 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: to be hard to break through on that. Once the 274 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: money goes out, it's hard to get it back in, 275 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I hear your point on that. 276 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: Any Chanzano mcgorman coming here, buddy, Well, you know, I 277 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: I think it's not just the pork at the front end. 278 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: But look, in the last thirty minutes, New York Post 279 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: is reported that the m t A is calling up 280 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: wage freezes after the Biden uh stimulus bill, SUT and 281 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: so and so. Look, maybe some of these money's municipalities 282 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: put money towards getting on a sustainable path, but I 283 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: think it's much more likely they'll just jack up pay 284 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: and open hireds pigott for public employees and are existing 285 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: contracts they already couldn't afford before this. So it might 286 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: not even be just what's in the bill has passed, 287 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: but what these state and local governments really do with it. Okay, 288 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: But I gotta I gotta pressure you here, Matt, because 289 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, every Republican in the book. And 290 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: I know you're behind the scenes a lot, and I 291 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: know you can't reveal too much of what you hear 292 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: from from directly from the members. I respect that, but 293 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: level with me. I mean, this money. When Senator Scott says, 294 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: give it back, they're not going to give it back, 295 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: are they? Once it's in their piggy bank, they're gonna 296 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: keep it? Yeah, no, of course, of course not. Um. Well, 297 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate the candor. Yeah. No, I mean they're not 298 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna give it back. I mean yeah, But like, look, 299 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: I do think in a lot of ways this could 300 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: be like a stimulus. We're number one. You hear a 301 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: lot more about some of the failures than you do 302 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: some of the smaller successes. Remember two. Look, I think 303 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to mid terms next year and how 304 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: this plays in a larger, uh kind of context, this 305 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: won't really be much of a factor. I really think 306 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: it will be a little bit broader than that. It 307 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: will be about broader or broader. When it comes to 308 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: move out into the pandemic, are people back to normal? 309 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: Do we have stadiums and concerts all bill again? Do 310 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: people see mainstream getting back to normal? It'll be much 311 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: more of a sensory type election than purely who voted 312 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: for what went? Can you know, let me follow up 313 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: with you on that. But from the Democratic perspective, Genie Sanz, 314 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: they know our Democrats over playing their hand by by 315 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: not by focusing so much. And we've only got a 316 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: thirty seconds left by focusing on the COVID bill unless 317 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: so on reopening they could be and it's not only that, 318 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: Let's look at what's happening on the border, the southern border. 319 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: I know you don't have a lot of time, but 320 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: those kinds of things, you know, two years is a 321 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're one year, however long we have to 322 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: the mid term. It's a long way to go. So 323 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: they there's other things they have to watch. Into your point. 324 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: If they can't pay for infrastructure, can't get immigration, can't 325 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: get these bills passed, they're gonna have to answer for that. Well, 326 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk about immigration coming up next 327 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: with Jeanie Schanz know as well as Mac Gorman. I'm 328 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli. This is Bloomberg. My name is Kevin Cirelli. 329 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: I'm the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for 330 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio, a company by Bloomberg Politics Can Trigger leader 331 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: Jennie Shoon z No and Matt Gorman. Matt Gorman, Republican 332 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: insider who joins us. All right, let's talk about immigration reform. 333 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: We focused a lot on this program, Genie, with regards 334 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: to infrastructure. Uh and but but you alluded to the 335 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: immigration debate that's brewing. That's another item on the legislative 336 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: priority list that just as I'm speaking, I just got 337 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: an email from the r n c UH pushing out 338 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: the Biden border crisis. Border security experts, the Mexican government, 339 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: and even Biden administration officials say his radical policies are 340 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: del So the Republicans are attacking the left on on 341 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: the border, Genie. They are because they're looking at the 342 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: numbers of miners in particular that have come to and 343 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: cross the border over the last you know, month or so. 344 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: And they are going to make this case, as you mentioned, 345 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: that this is a crisis at the border, that the 346 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: Biden administration should not be surprised by this, and it 347 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: is a result they're going to say of his policies. Now, 348 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: do I think that's fair? No? I don't um, but 349 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: I do think that it is something as we think 350 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: about four that that is the Republicans are going to 351 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: try to use so to what we were talking about 352 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: earlier in terms of does this win on what is 353 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: a historic bill? And I think we have to underscore 354 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: that is that, you know, push the Democrats into two. 355 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot that can come before it, 356 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: and this is just one thing, certainly not the thing 357 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: probably the Biden administration wants to address right away because 358 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: it is chock full of challenges and I am hard 359 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: pressed to imagine how they get an immigration bill through 360 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: with a fifty fifty Senate at this point. Well, sticking 361 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: with immigration and and the impacts of that, I in 362 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: my show prep, I was looking at Andrea Navarros, my 363 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: colleague Andrea Navarro's report on the Bloomberg terminal. Foreigners get 364 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: vaccinated too at US is busiest border crossing in California's 365 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: San Diego County. Rolling out of COVID nineteen vaccination program 366 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: hasn't been made year by the daily EBB and flow 367 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: of people across the border with Mexico. Long before the 368 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: Biden administration signal to return to more humane immigration policies. 369 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: Andrea writes San Diego's crossing was the busiest in the 370 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: Western Hemisphere during the pandemic. Nearly one hundred thousand people 371 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: a day have continued to cross from Tiajuana to work 372 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: or study and then return. And at least another one 373 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thou undocumented immigrants already lived in the county. Wow. 374 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: So it's it's fascinating just to see how the vaccination 375 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: now has been impacted. Mcwarman. On the immigration front, No, 376 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, and I think this is something I 377 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: think Tod's point. You know, any time of immigration bill 378 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: is absolutely d l a um And even if you had, 379 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: say modes, I don't think you'd get anything for work sexually. 380 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: Politics are now, so I think this migro crisis of 381 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: the border will inflame both the far right and the 382 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: far left the basis of each party. If you will 383 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: look when you have uh president Overdor of Mexico calling 384 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: Biden a migrant is than it the migrant president um 385 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: and how he references you know, the people coming across 386 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: the border. That will fire the far right, but that 387 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: he also will have the left who want more from 388 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Biden. One of these central promises in 389 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: the primary was getting a bill, uh you know, on 390 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: his desk, or dropping a bill on day one for 391 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: immigration reform. So you're gonna have a pressure from the 392 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: left as well on Biden as well as this kind 393 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: of as this continues, it's going to be an issue 394 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: that's not going to go away. Well, and and Justin 395 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: sink On the Bloomberg White House team reported earlier this week, 396 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: on Monday, actually that the Biden administration has offered temporary 397 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: protected status to an estimated three hundred and twenty thousand 398 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: Venezuelans who fled their home country, allowing them to legally 399 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: stay and work in the United States. Venezuelans who are 400 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: accepted into the program will receive a Temporary immigration status 401 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: GENIE for eighteen months, and they will be required to 402 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: apply in the next hundred and eighty days, pay a fee, 403 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: demonstrate that they were already residing in the US, and 404 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: undergo a background check. But still a massive shift between 405 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: the two administrations, a massive shift. It is the right policy, 406 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: I think, but it is one that they're going to 407 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: have to work as hard to sell as they are 408 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: selling this COVID relief bill. And I think a sign 409 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: that the Democrats understand this is that we know now 410 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: that there's going to be the Democrats, at least some 411 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: of them in Congress planning a trip down to the border, 412 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: Joaquin Castro being one of them. I'm not sure exactly 413 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: who's going to accompany him, but this is in part 414 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: because we've know there are two Republican trips planned to 415 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: the area. And I think to what we were talking 416 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: about earlier, if there's something that pushes Biden to change 417 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: his tune on the filibuster, it could be something like this. 418 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: I know Jen Psaki came out and said he's no, 419 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: he's not interested in that, but you can't get a 420 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: bill passed uh this way. And as much pressure as 421 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: he gets, I think it will come from immigration, because infrastructure, 422 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: he may find a way to work through reconciliation or 423 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: with at least some Republican support. I do want to 424 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: note that Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro ma Orchiss and White 425 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: House Domestic Policy Advisor Susan Rice visited a Department of 426 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: Homeland Security border patrol facility earlier this month, along with 427 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 1: a Health and Human Services office. Um uh, so there 428 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of policymakers are now and both sides 429 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: are are visiting the border. As that continues, then MC warman, 430 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: I mean she she went nuclear on me, Jeanie Shonzano 431 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: talking about the nuclear option UM and and filibuster reformed. 432 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: I mean, if that happens, I gotta, I gotta, I 433 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: gotta get some more sleep because if I gotta cover that, 434 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a doozy. Both sides are really gonna 435 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: be going after each other. That would be an absolute 436 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: That's like a want war of epic proportions go ahead 437 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: for those who who don't follow this type of thing. 438 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: But I mean, uh, look, Biden will never be UM 439 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: the front kind of spear on filibuster reform. He will 440 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: not come out into port of it until they actually 441 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: have the votes publicly UM in support of it, because 442 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be the guy who comes out 443 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: in favor of it. The mansions in them up they're like, nah, 444 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: we're good. Um, So he will be that the cherry 445 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: on the proverbial filibuster reform Sunday if it does happen. UM. 446 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: The talking filibuster is is an interesting thing though essentially, 447 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: if you're doing that, you are in essence taking away uh, 448 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: the filibuster anyway, because after people get to get sick talking, 449 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: they will eventually vote. Um. I don't see it happening 450 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: for a while though, Something like the Voting Rights to 451 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: Act that they're pushing through the House UM could be 452 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak. 453 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't see infrastructure getting that happened. I think with 454 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: the Bird Rule and going through reconciliation, I'm not sure 455 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: that it would. It would let leave much of an 456 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: infrastructure backage. I'm gonna add gun reform to the list 457 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: of issues that could also ignite a debate over the 458 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: filibuster back Corman, thanks for catching up with anybody. I 459 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: apreciate it. Mcmarman, Republican strategists and the vice president that's 460 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: heargeted Victory former n RCC communications director. Up next, Chattressman 461 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: Dwhite Evans, Democrat from Philly. I'm Kevin Sireley. This is Boomer. 462 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin on Bloomberg Radio. 463 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Surreally, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. 464 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeannie Shonzadas the genie. You know. I 465 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: gotta say, we have this thread going over the last 466 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: two days with space regulations, and I gotta tell you 467 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: that's one of the nerdiest things that I'm really into, 468 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: and I spend a lot of time researching it and 469 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: I do and everyone laughs. But I was looking up 470 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: bitcoin back a decade ago, and for the rags on 471 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: the House financial services, I'm telling you this space stuff 472 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: and it's a lack for lack of a better word, 473 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: that is really where a lot of policy makers are 474 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: are laying out the future for they are and China, 475 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: as we keep talking about, is leading to a certain 476 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: extent there and coitive, I know, I know, I'm pretty competitive, 477 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: mostly with myself. I will tell you I had a 478 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: wonderful faculty member twenty years ago who was writing a 479 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: lot about space law. It is a real concern and yeah, 480 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: and and a wonderful, wonderful faculty and there's a lot 481 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: of research going on and it is the you know, 482 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: it is something you are on the cutting edge and 483 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: we're all going to be there soon. Well. I also 484 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: think especially you know, mining on asteroids and whatnot, and 485 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: and cyber security protections that extends out of the atmosphere, 486 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: all right, joining us from not from outer space, but 487 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: from Philadelphia, I would assume, or here in Washington, d see. 488 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: He represents Philly Congressman Dwight Evans. He is a Democrat congressman. 489 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. How are you? I mean Stimulus day? 490 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: You know, I I'm living the dream. You know, day 491 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: at a time living the dream. Just can't complain beautiful 492 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: day here in the nation's capital. You're gonna be watching 493 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: President Biden's speech tonight, Yes, absolutely absolutely, And what are 494 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: you going to be looking for? Well, 't be looking 495 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: for and we look towards the future. I think the 496 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: President and the Vice President have done a great job 497 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: in terms of leadership. One attacking the virus. He's very 498 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: clear that we had to beat the virus. And then 499 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: with the American Rescue Act that he's laid together and 500 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: that was passed by the House in the center, Uh, 501 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: it was very defining in terms of bad act and 502 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: what needs to be done. So it's attacking the virus, 503 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: and then it's dealing with our economy. And he will 504 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: lay out in my view of strategy about the next 505 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: step and encourage Americans all to be a part of 506 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: the solution he can be just done by government, and 507 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: I believe he would talk about the kinds of things 508 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: that we as Americans need to join in. I mean, 509 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, you had to give people a sense of 510 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: hope and a sense of optimism. Presidents on that. I 511 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: gotta press you on this because just because I know 512 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: your district and and you know I grew up in 513 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: Delaware County right outside of it. He's headed to Delco 514 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: next week on Tuesday, I believe. And there's nothing in 515 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: this bill for retraining. You know, the refineries that are 516 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: in the area, uh in near your district, and and 517 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: how they provide jobs for for for a democratic leaning 518 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: city and the suburbs that are outside of it, how 519 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: come there's no money for retraining? And essentially, and how 520 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: do you train Americans of all ages and which we 521 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: think of training as a as a post college or 522 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: late teenage type of thing. It's not. It's for forties 523 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: some things, fifty something, sixty some things, and many times 524 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: who have been laid off as a result of the 525 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: executive orders pertaining to the Keystone Pipeline. Well, you know, 526 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: Kevin always view this as a down payment, uh down 527 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: payment home dealing with this uh dreadful viers and that 528 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: I believe that you will see a long term strategy 529 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: around infrastructure. Uh terms of reimagine, we need investment in 530 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: our water systems to mean if I you know, things 531 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: that we need. So I believe Kevin. You know, he's 532 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: only been an office about fifty days. Uh, and clearly 533 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: we and the Congress have to work for him. And 534 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: I think that we have to not take it for granted. 535 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: So you know, give him a chance. And I think 536 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: that he's been at it every single day. He's been 537 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: very clear, he's been very you know about trying to 538 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: bring people together. This is an important Kevin. You gotta 539 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: do both. You gotta bring people together. You have a 540 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 1: plan in the American Rescue Act, and that that's past. Uh. 541 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: He's been dealing with the vaccine and that's important, but 542 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: he's matally been trying to build a sense of whole 543 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: among people. I mean, like you asked the question, you know, 544 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: everything is not gonna be in one piece of legislation, 545 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: Representative Evans. It's a genie chanzy know, and it's great 546 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: to talk to you. I wanted to ask you about 547 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: a bill that I know you just co sponsored which 548 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: was protected the right to organize Act Hr eight four two. 549 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about what's in that 550 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: bill and its prospects for passage in the Senate. Well, 551 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, unions have been very essential about building the 552 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: middle class, and I think it's important that people have 553 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: a right to organize and this should not be barriers 554 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: that prevent them from organizing. So it's clear that we 555 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: need to make sure we're talking about rebuilding the middle 556 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: class and making sure to to point Kevin just made 557 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: in terms of those workers that he was talking about 558 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the union workers, and we got to 559 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: ensure that they that nothing impairs them from being from 560 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: winging an organized That's basically what we want to do 561 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: in that Particularly, Congressman you to that point. To follow 562 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: up on that, I mean, you've been really one of 563 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: the critical voices on c d f I funding and 564 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: helping to provide UH women who have been disproportionately affected 565 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: by the post pandemic economy and minority owned or minorities 566 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: rather who have also been disproportionately affected by the pandemic 567 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: economic results. How do you provide liquidity and I mean 568 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: not just cash, I mean crypto, I mean other forms 569 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: of liquidity for underserved communities and community banks and financial 570 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: institution Congressmen, because a lot of these small businesses and 571 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: and underserved communities really need that now, not yesterday. They 572 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: needed it yesterday, not tomorrow, they need it now. Well, 573 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: I think that was wrong. That was wrong with the 574 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: pp UH at first path was acceptable and available to 575 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: people being bankable and having out opportunities. That's why we 576 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: had to do tv A five. People who did not 577 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: have thinking relationships, who aspect is having access to the 578 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: marketplace and be able to get kept moved. You know, 579 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: they who build themselves if they've got an availability of 580 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: capital and the investments that are necessary. That's where the 581 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: CBS fives came in very important as a tool UH 582 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: in terms of the availability of dollars. That's that's something 583 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: we should not take lightly. You can't you can't tie 584 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: one hand by the back of minority operators and then 585 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: ask them to develop and growth. That just won't happen. 586 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: So a part of the President's strategy is to kind 587 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: of doe the combinations invests and grow invest and growth. 588 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: And I believe that this President Sean, he has a 589 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: lot of experiences that are around a long time bringing 590 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: in coalition to people together, and he's fouching on the 591 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: aspect that you have to be we have to be 592 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: together to know to make these changes. All right, let's 593 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: see rapid fire best place together, chefs taking silly uh 594 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: delth Andrew's oh in Rockborough. I gotta say that is 595 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: a really good place. Um. Should the filibuster? Should? Should 596 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: you abolish the filibuster? Yes? If it's impairing the ability 597 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: to get something done, you know, if it's impairing to 598 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: get something done, then their tool is no longer needed. 599 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: But the fact of the batter, at the end of 600 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: the day, we have to get something done. We have 601 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: to be about governing and we need not to have 602 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: something that impairs if you talk. I heard you talking 603 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: about voting rights. You know, the late John Lewis talked 604 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: about the important of voting and this is something we 605 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: should not be talking about impairing in some states which 606 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: are unfortunately are attempting to impede people that have access 607 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: to vote. Why would anybody want to impede somebody's right 608 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: to vote. We should make sure more people votes. Okay, 609 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: I gotta follow up on the filibuster though, because I 610 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: think this is a looming fight over the long term. 611 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: Are you gonna regret that if if Republicans are in 612 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: control of Congress in the future, I would say no. 613 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: Why I'm I'm a strong believer in what you call 614 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: self enlightened leadership. We didn't say that again? Say that again? 615 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: I missed you. Enlightened leadership, Self enlightened leadership. Okay, go ahead, 616 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: leadership that puts the country frost. If you thought having 617 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: people put the country frost, we can do a lot 618 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: of things. It wouldn't be as much confusion as we are. 619 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: That people played petty games and they find ways to 620 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: try to be distracted into the mission. Why would anybody 621 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: be against access the voting? Why would anybody be against 622 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: the rights for people that have right to vote? Debate? 623 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: Debate should be by ideas, not about impeding someone's right 624 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: to participate in the democratic rock. All right, we'll gotta 625 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: cheese taking. We'll talk self enlightened leadership Congress. And I 626 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: appreciate the time I didn't have enough to ask about 627 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I'm Kevin Sirelli. Uh. This month as Women's 628 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: History Month, and every day we are acknowledging the contributions 629 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: that significant them. Elso I've made to the country. Here 630 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: with today's installment is Bloomberg's Young on this day in 631 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 1: Women's History. In two thousand six, Michelle Bachelett is sworn 632 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: in as Chile's first female president. She's a lifelong socialist, 633 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: former political exile, and ex prisoner of the military dictatorship. 634 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: Her rise highlighted a cultural shift in a mostly Roman 635 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: Catholic country that was long regarded as among the most 636 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: conservative in Latin America. It was also a nation where, 637 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: at the time divorce was only recently legalized and abortion 638 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: was still illegal. At the time, women were also often 639 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: earning as much as forty percent less than men with 640 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: similar jobs. By contrast. Specially, it was an agnostic and 641 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: a single mother of three. She was also the first 642 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: popularly elected South American female president whose political career was 643 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 1: established independently of a husband. She served two separate terms 644 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: as president of Chile. That's today in Women's History. I'm 645 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: rened a young Bloomberg Radio Genie Shanze know We've got 646 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: Morgan Artagas on the program tomorrow. She is a former 647 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: spokesperson for former Secretary of State Mike from Pale talk 648 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: about a great woman. That's gonna be a great show. 649 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a really, really great, great show. All Right, 650 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent from Lumberg TV and Radio. 651 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: Morgan's on the show tomorrow. This is Lumberg.