WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:07.600 Hello everyone, It's Wednesday, May twenty eighth. Welcome to Amy 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:13.360 and TJ. I'm Amy Roebuck and I'm TJ Holmes. Why 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.200 are you puzzled when I said welcome to Amy and TJ? 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.760 Because I forgot what we're doing. We do so many podcasts. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.560 It feels this one's about relationship, that one's about crying, 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.319 This one's about news, that one's about something else. So 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:28.600 I forgot where we were. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.000 Yes, well, this is the Sean Diddycombs recap that we've 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.600 been doing every day after testimony, so we can give 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.199 you a one stop shop where you don't have to 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.800 go and try to find who said what when. It's 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.560 very confusing when you go through all the different news 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.320 outlets to see what happened to trials. So we have 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.240 done all of that for you, and we're going to 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.519 go over what happened in court yesterday. And it was 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.200 pretty remarkable what happened on Tuesday. This is the start 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:01.080 of the third full week of testimony the prosecution's case 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.640 against Calms. There was only one witness, but my goodness, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:05.880 she packed a punch. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.039 This was Capricorn Clark. She makes an impression. If you 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.920 have no idea who she is just by her name. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.800 Her name is Capricorn Clark. She's a former assistant Taditty 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.840 and global brand director for him. She also worked as 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.479 Cassie's creative director, and she worked several people rogues we've 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.360 heard from so far. I think she might be the 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.920 one that's worked the longest for him of the people, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.080 at least that we've heard. From two thousand and four 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.959 to twenty twelve, was it. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.120 But then once again she came back again all the 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.840 way up to twenty eighteen, and just last year in 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.240 April of twenty twenty four. In the spring of twenty 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.880 twenty four, she tried to work for him again. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.920 So they have a long standing relationship. And look, she 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.800 this is a lady. A lot of people gotten up 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.760 and testified about what they saw and here and there, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.680 and some of his assistants. She was in that inner 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:58.520 circle and she handled even called herself his protector. So 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:03.040 she was right there, very trusted, and she saw a 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.560 little bit of everything, according to her testimony, and she 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:10.040 gave some details. There were even it's hard to compare 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.440 days of testimony and details that are more chilling than others. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.440 But some of the stuff she talked about will leave 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:15.919 you shook. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:16.480 Yeah. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.800 I mean she was with Ditty, like we mentioned, on 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.960 and off for twenty years, and not only did she 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:27.640 see things or hear things, she says she experienced things directly, 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.720 which is why a lot of people have questioned why 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.040 she would stay so long, why she would stand by 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.360 him for so long, why she wanted to return to 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.359 work again and again. If you believe what her testimony is, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.760 it's hard to imagine that you would choose to continually 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.079 put yourself back in that kind of environment. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.520 Well, she said it. It's complicated. My relationship with him 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.040 is complicated, she said. Even to this day, she misses 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.040 the job and she would still go back again. As 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.840 early as last year, she was still in some conversations 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.920 about a potential role she might have with Ditty. But 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.960 she was described on the stand yesterday at times that 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.800 there are several reporters in the room from several outlets 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.040 who are giving their accounts, but they were all rose 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.920 pretty universal and saying she cried uncontrollably few times. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:12.480 Understand. 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.960 I think the verb was she was sobbing uncontrollably, uncontrollably, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.040 which gives you an image of what was happening up 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.720 on the stand. But yes, she said throughout it all, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.840 she wanted Ditty's approval. And that's what we've heard time 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.280 and time again. He created something with some of these 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.240 women and some of these assistants and some of these 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.280 folks who worked with him, who begged and craved for 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.480 his approval. And she said when she kept going back, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.880 she quote wanted her life back. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.720 She wants approval from a guy who, she also said 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.960 on the stand, threatened to kill her on more than 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.240 one occasion, who fired her on more than one occasion. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.560 She heard him threaten to kill other people as well. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:56.920 She witnessed what she said was horrific violence. But at 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.360 the same time, we are still talking about someone that 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:04.440 she had whatever level of respect for or adoration for, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.680 or maybe just the role she was in and the 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.640 power she had by having access who knows what, But 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.520 she said he really she was complicated and still to 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.240 this day she misses the job. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.320 Yeah, that's and that is truly complicated. I don't I 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.360 can't think of a better word to describe it than that. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.560 And what her testimony, what we heard from her yesterday 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.800 was key and central to the prosecution's case specifically to 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:33.200 a kidnapping charge, because she claims she was kidnapped by 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.880 Sean Diddy Combs in the early morning hours to go 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.080 over to kid Cuddy's house. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.000 That was, of course, the rapper who. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.520 He had a beef with because he was seeing his 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.960 on again, off again girlfriend Cassie Ventura, and when he 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:52.960 found out, he, according to Capricorn, got her in the 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.680 early morning hours and forced her. He had a gun 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.120 in his hand. He showed up disheveled. She said he 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.640 had a rip in the crotch of his pants and 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.440 said we're going to kill Cutty. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.719 This was important. This was a critical part of the 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.320 prosecution's case because if they prove or convince the jury 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.360 at least that did he was involved and his associates 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.440 were involved in other crimes as a part of his enterprise. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.400 They're trying to prove a racketeering charge. They're trying to 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.520 essentially show what they showed when they were convicting mobsters 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:28.159 back in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties. This rico charge, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.400 if you will, They're trying to prove he has a 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.080 criminal enterprise. So this is why it is important. Another crime, 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:37.040 kidnapping is a pretty serious crime and Capricorn Clark Clark 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:42.600 claim she was taken against her will. This story is central, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.839 I guess for the first couple to the first couple 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.000 of weeks of this trial rose because Kid Cutty, A 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.760 lot of people didn't even know his name potentially and 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.120 weren't familiar with his music. But he has been central 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.840 to this case because he is the guy who was 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.600 dating Cassie. Did he found out about it? And it's 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.000 set off this whole chain of events. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:03.279 Yeah, so yesterday we heard Capricorn Clark testify that Ditty 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.400 and his security guard went into Cutty's house and again 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.920 she's there against her will, she claims, And that's when 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.680 she says she called Cassie on a burner phone to 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.320 tell her that Ditty was in front of Cutty's house. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.800 She goes through this whole explanation about Cutty coming to 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.560 the house, pulling up alongside Ditty's vehicle, and then taking off, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.280 and she describes a chase ensued between the two. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.560 She said it felt like it was forever, but it 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.400 might have been a minute before Cutty essentially got away. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.440 But that scene that night, we've heard it. We heard 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.440 Cassie talk about We heard Cuddy talk about it, but 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.320 to see it or hear it, at least from this 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.039 witness's perspective. A witness who claimed to be along for 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.680 the ride against her will, that is kidnapping. He has 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.640 a loaded gun telling hers she doesn't have a choice 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.279 but to come with him, so that is why she 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.280 ends up being there. But you go back to say 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.640 she called Cassie from a burner phone. The fact that 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.440 you were in any situation in life that you need 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.279 a burner phone so that your boyfriend or your boss 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.839 can't find out about what you're doing, that was just 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.640 the idea. She said she was the one that took 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.600 her to Best Buy to get a burner phone when 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.400 things got rough with her and Diddy. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:14.560 I mean, if you have to do that, you have 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.760 to question what you're doing and who you're spending your 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.120 time with, because that is deeply concerning and speaks of volumes. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.280 She also testified that after all of this, Diddy told 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.560 Cassie and Capricorn that they had to get kid Cutty 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.240 to not go to police, otherwise if they didn't do that, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:39.600 she claims that Diddy said he'll kill them all her words. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.680 Her testimony under oath saying that happened. She made a 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.120 comment earlier as well to in along those same lines 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.760 that Cassie's going to get us all killed. Right in 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.680 dating kid Cutty. She just knew how explosive potentially that 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.360 situation was, that you're having to sneak around or get 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.040 a burner front, all these things. But the idea that 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.840 she was told more on one occasion, my Diddy that 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.080 he's gonna kill folks, including her. I'm gonna kill all 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.320 of y'all if you don't just convince him to not 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:19.840 go to police, which they apparently they did convince him. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:24.200 I thought it was so remarkable listening or hearing about 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.120 Capricorn's testimony about Cassie. It was it was all over 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:33.400 the place. On one hand, she talked about her and 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.560 she worked directly for her, saying she went from being 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:42.560 more of a sweet model to a feisty girlfriend. Feisty yes, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.439 and then yes, what you just said. She said Cassie 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.280 was gonna get us all killed. But that's crazy, like 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.280 putting the blame on Cassie. Cassie is gonna get you 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.760 all killed, when the finger at times she did should 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.040 be pointed directly if this is all true at Diddy 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.520 for wanting to kill them all versus the response ability 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.640 on Cassie to not get them all killed. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.240 Well, that's the I guess that speaks once again to 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.439 the psyche of everybody in that world, knowing that this 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.559 guy is the one we all depend on. This is 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.640 the one we all have to serve. So let's figure 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.319 out what we have to do, what we have to endure, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.680 whether that's pain, whether that's embarrassment, whatever we have to 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.080 do to survive in his world and to keep this 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:26.600 guy happy. That's it, Bill. Look, the prosecution, if nothing else, 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.640 is building an idea of a world that we had 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.920 no idea about and has been consistent. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:34.680 And makes no sense in the real world. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.160 You know, to not blame the person who's actually committing 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.800 these atrocities or who you say is, but versus or 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.760 rather than the people who are making him upset, Which 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.240 that's kind of an insane thing to think about for me. 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.079 And she also said that Cassie wanted her out of 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:55.880 Diddy's inner circle, so you know, she definitely had a 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.920 tumultuous relationship with Cassie, and certainly that was explained on 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.280 the stand at least by ca Capricorn, and it's just 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.280 wild to hear all of what she said happened, specifically 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.480 on the kid Cutty situation. The cross examination was very 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:15.280 interesting because Ditty's lawyers went after Capricorn because, yes, she's 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.160 saying she was kidnapped. She's saying she went against her will. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.080 She's saying he brandished a gun and she felt like 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:25.480 her life was under threat. But they pointed out that 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.760 she previously said she went with Ditty to kid Cutty's 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.560 house in order to keep him from doing something stupid. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.320 She denied that, says she doesn't remember saying that, And 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.880 that's the question. Did she go willingly to protect him, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.160 to do her job or what she thought was her job, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.960 or was she taken against her will. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.560 Look, legal experts out there say this is a very 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.480 important part of the prosecution's case. They need to prove 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.360 that a crime had taken place here. The kidnapping is 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.520 a very very important thing. Not just about sentiments anymore. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.760 It's not just about oh my, this guy's crazy, he 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.720 had gun, he did some silly stuff, he was mad, 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.120 he was even hitting a woman. No, no, no, that 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.280 the kidnapping, they say, is very important in building a 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.920 case about a criminal enterprise. So there was another potential 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.400 incident in which she was kidnapped, though if they could 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.840 possibly prove because Capricorn Clark explained that there was another 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.439 incident a different year in which she was in charge 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.880 of jewelry for Diddy. That bag went missing and she 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.720 was taken robes to an abandoned floor of a building, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.840 a dilapidated building, and was subjected to a light detector 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.800 test all day, several days by some big dude who 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.360 told her she needed to act right or you're gonna 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.719 find yourself in the East River. Yeah, he gave her 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.080 that threat when she was so nervous. They couldn't get 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:48.839 a good reading, they said on the light detector, and 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.520 he told her you need to calm down because if 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.720 I can't get a good reading, they're gonna throw you 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.839 in the river. So that's a threat one and potential 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.080 kidnapping as well. So that is now the details are 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.320 solations in that. But for legal reason, this is very 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.160 important for them building. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.920 Theyay, you just put yourself or imagine it does sound 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.800 like a scene out of a movie. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.240 It doesn't sound like real life. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.319 This was all happening here around the Manhattan area, and 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.280 apparently she described this guy, you said, a big dude. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.480 She said he was five times the size of her, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.559 is what she said on the stand, and he was intimidating. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.200 And yes, she said she felt like her life was 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.360 under threat because she couldn't relax enough or calm down 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.720 enough for the light detector to have a good reading 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.079 when that bag of diamonds went missing. She also describes 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.640 another incident back in two thousand and six where she 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.319 apparently walked up to Ditty's personal chef and made an 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:47.320 offhanded comment because they didn't have turkey bacon, and she said, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.600 I hate living here or something under her breath. The 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.560 chef hears it and goes and tells Ditty in the 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.160 next room what she just said. And then what Diddy 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.199 did next. She claims he came running at her, running 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.400 at her from the room and pushed her violently because 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.520 and then said, if you don't want to live here, 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.360 get the f out of here now, And so she 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.679 says she did leave. So you hear all of this 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.600 and these stories, what she witnessed, what she experienced, she says, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.040 and she's still begging, years and years later to come 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.800 back to work. For him, pleading for his job, for 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.640 her job, begging him for forgiveness. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.720 That was over the Cuddy stuff. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:27.440 Right, Yeah, she did. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.200 Yeah, that was emails, right, she says she sent twenty 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.280 fourteen and fifteen. This is one part where they said 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.920 she did cry pretty hard on the stand having to 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.319 read these emails and what she was begging for forgiveness 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.040 for having not told him that Cassie was dating Cutty. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.320 That was ten years ago and she's on the stand there. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.679 Still crying about him said about it. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.000 And yes, but this is after she's been pushed, after 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:54.560 she's been threatened, after she's been afraid for her life. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.280 She's begging for forgiveness. That's wild to me to hear 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.720 hear her talk about this. And then there was an 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:01.840 incident in Central Park. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.920 Now that one is again. She was taking the Central Park. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.320 It was late at night, just Ditty and a security guard. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.920 I this one jumped out of me because I think 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.320 about Central Park. We spent so much time in Central Park. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.920 We think about how many times we've run or enjoyed 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.720 a There are nothing but happy thoughts. Quite frankly, anytime 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:19.880 I think about Central. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.640 Park, setting of beautiful movies and you're strolling hand in Hanner, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.360 you're taking a beautiful run, or you're taking in you know, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.240 the beautiful scenery and the people. Yeah, you're not thinking 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.320 about violent crimes. I mean, I know they can happen, 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.080 but certainly it's not what you think of. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.880 So this is why this one got me and got 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.520 maybe a lot of New Yorkers to think. You might 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.160 have been, you know, just hanging out in the park 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.040 on a pleasant evening and Diddy was threatening to kill 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.280 a woman under the cover of darkness somewhere there with 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.680 a security guard. She said, yeah, took her to the park. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.000 And this was because she had a previous relationship or 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.640 working relationship with Shube Knight, who was a business rival, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:59.440 a rap rival, rap industry rival with Diddy. She didn't 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.400 disclose that previously. He found out about it, got upset 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:03.800 and took her and threatened to. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:04.520 Kill her. 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:06.440 In the park. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.760 And when he fired her, he told her he'd make 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.080 her kill herself. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.120 He's gonna make things that bad for it. And she's 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.600 she believes she got blacklist, that she tried unsuccessfully for 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.080 a while to find work in the industry. But all 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.480 this stuff we're saying about her to this day, if 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:26.520 he if he gets if he's found not innocent, if 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.640 he called her and asked her to come back and work, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:30.280 I absolutely think. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:31.880 I mean, if he sound not guilty, you mean, if 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.800 he walks, if he walks and gets back. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.200 What I'm saying, I'm making an extreme point, My point being, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.920 after all we're hearing, I don't think there's a question 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.360 that this woman still feels some sense of loyalty to 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.800 him and would still return to his circle if she 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:45.520 were allowed to do so. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.160 Would he allow that? I mean, she's being compelled to testify. Obviously, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.040 she's not doing this because she chose to. Most of 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.080 the folks on the stand are there because they're compelled to, 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.880 speaking to their fear of retribution or any sort of retaliation. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.480 And I can't even imagine what these folks are thinking about, 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.160 after hearing their testimony and staring at him right there 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.480 in the courtroom as they're saying all of these mind 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.680 blowing things, what it would be like for them if 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.000 he is not convicted. I haven't even gone there, but 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.640 I'm just now thinking about what that must feel like, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.840 the fear and the trepidation that might speak to some 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.440 of the sobbing and the crying. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:25.320 She's probably so. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.680 Conflicted and so torn about what to do, what to say, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:30.760 and what not to do. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.640 One thing she did do. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.200 Despite all the things, perhaps negative, that she said about 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:51.480 Cassie Ventura, she absolutely corroborated Cassie's testimony about being beaten 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.320 by did He Combs And so many who have gone 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:56.800 up on the stand have done the same. They have 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:02.000 cord Cassie's testimony about the violence she endured from did 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.000 He tough to hear. Yeah, she says she saw personally 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:11.160 did He kick Cassie repeatedly while she was in fetal position, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.119 silently crying after he found out about kid Cutti. She 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.960 witnessed it first hand. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:18.080 That's tough to hear. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:19.720 That one was tough to hear. Look, so much of 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:24.320 this testimony has been just brutal and devastating, and to 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:28.679 imagine somebody endured that repeatedly for years. But this was 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.320 one I guess I for some reason got very much 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.640 a visual of this to imagine. Yeah, I mean, Cassie's 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.720 not a big girl, but she's cruel just to be 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.920 in that position, essentially giving up, essentially saying please stop, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.639 I'm not fighting you. I have nothing. It's not just 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.800 smacking somebody with a hand, to kick somebody repeatedly, tough 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.399 to here and this is these are all allegations, but 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.920 for some reason, that one is one of all we've 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.080 heard that I visualized and had such a reaction to 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.920 that description of her and then the crying silently even 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:02.480 that detail. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.840 Yes, I mean it's and it was so bad that 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.359 Cassie said, sorry, excuse me that Capricorn Clark said she 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.520 called Cassie's mom and said, he as in Ditty is 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.720 beating the shit out of your daughter, And she said, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.600 this is also so devastating that Cassie's mom told her 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:27.720 I can't call the police, but you can please help her. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.600 That I don't care who you are. You're a mom, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.600 you're a parent. The idea that you're getting a phone 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.840 call saying your daughter's being beaten severely and you say 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.080 I can't call. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.679 Police, that's a tough one. Can you please help her? 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:44.720 That's a tough one. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.240 That is just devastating to me. And to think about 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.639 the picture they're painting of Ditty. You know, when you 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.920 talk about kicking someone when they're not fighting back, when 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:59.199 they're clearly in a position of protection that you just 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.920 keep going after them. That just I can't even get 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.840 my head around at That reminds me of people who 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.000 hurt animals. When you start hurting the helpless, that's when 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.200 it goes to a whole other level of cruelty. 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.080 Oh this is to say, right, you should kick a 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:20.159 man when he's down. I just just that visual and 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.880 that description that she gave and this, I don't know 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.800 what look we talked about. There's plenty here. There's so 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.080 many things in here for us to examine, from the 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:34.280 music industry, from the young people who are in it, 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:39.359 to fame, to wealth, to power, to sex, to all 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.240 may things. Race. There's so much to examine in here, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.600 But this is one and I hope something we continue 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:49.800 to learn about domestic violence and victims of domestic violence, 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.800 being a friend and a family member of folks who 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.320 might be going through this stuff. Because these are two 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.359 women who I believe loved this girl, that really cared 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.480 for Cassie. One is looking at her being kicked repeatedly 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:07.680 and won't call police. Another she calls the girl's mother, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.159 who no one I would argue on the planet loves 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.600 Cassie more than her mom and a mom didn't do anything. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:19.040 What in God's name are we doing? And I'm not 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.560 I do not envy. I'm not criticizing the women for 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.680 the position that they were in or they were put in, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.000 but what are we doing when that is happening? 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:28.680 Yeah? 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.520 I think this could be hopefully a wake up call 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:36.040 for a deeper understanding of what actually goes on those dynamics, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:40.160 the power of them, and what compels people to freeze 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.160 or fight. You know, it's it's or you know, it's 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.920 like they say, when you're in certain situations that are stressful, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.040 you have the flight or fight, but there's a freeze 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.000 as well, and you see. 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:52.639 That happening a lot. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.760 When when Capricorn was being cross examined, there was one 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:00.639 and it was I think it was the fun question 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:06.320